Topic: Wall Finish (Leather or Fabric)

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Goodpm sirs / mams,

Nagpapaayos ako ngayon ng dedicated home theater, my question is, anong ok na finish for the wall padding? Leather or Fabric? The room will be carpeted.. Sabi kasi saken if leather daw, di ma-absorb ung sound, mag bounce daw.. Pag fabric naman, pag nadumihan mahirap linisin.. So I'm lost..

Help pls.. Thanks!

[audiojunkie]

Use both at certain locations... If you hired int.desgner suggest to give you options of combination.

[Nelson de Leon]

Ako fabric. More or less sealed naman ang HT room mo. Plus vacuum lang ang katapat niyan.

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Use both at certain locations... If you hired int.desgner suggest to give you options of combination.

Actually, our int. designer was the one suggesting the fabric route. I wanted to use leather due to the cleaning issues. (Argh!!! The kidsssss)

Ako fabric. More or less sealed naman ang HT room mo. Plus vacuum lang ang katapat niyan.

You're right sir.. Fabric it is then.. Any suggestion para sa pag linis ng liquid substance? Ung sofa kasi namin ngayon puros mancha na..

Thanks for the inputs guys..

[Nelson de Leon]

Actually, our int. designer was the one suggesting the fabric route. I wanted to use leather due to the cleaning issues. (Argh!!! The kidsssss)

You're right sir.. Fabric it is then.. Any suggestion para sa pag linis ng liquid substance? Ung sofa kasi namin ngayon puros mancha na..

Thanks for the inputs guys..

Yun canvas cleaner ng Cleanshine master ang gamit ko. Try mo lang. Ano ba ang tela ng sofa mo?

[fredreadrick]

The room will be carpeted.. Sabi kasi saken if leather daw, di ma-absorb ung sound, mag bounce daw.. Pag fabric naman, pag nadumihan mahirap linisin.. So I'm lost..

sir,
full carpet ba ang floor?
full fabric cladding din ba ang wall?
pag puro sound absorbent materials, ang results -sound eh very dull...

like what others suggested - dpat combination of reflecting/absorbing materials + proper placement.

just sharing my experience in designing lecture rooms, theatres,  etc...

[audiojunkie]

Placement of these materials are critical, could be aesthetically pleasing but should consider the function of the room. These should tame unwanted resonance but keep the room lively.

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Yun canvas cleaner ng Cleanshine master ang gamit ko. Try mo lang. Ano ba ang tela ng sofa mo?

Di ko alam exactly, pero wala syang himulmul, smooth ung surface nya.. Will look into that Cleanshine master.. Thanks!

sir,
full carpet ba ang floor?
full fabric cladding din ba ang wall?
pag puro sound absorbent materials, ang results -sound eh very dull...

like what others suggested - dpat combination of reflecting/absorbing materials + proper placement.

just sharing my experience in designing lecture rooms, theatres,  etc...

Yes sir, full carpet.. Sa ngayon bare pa ung walls, but the plan is full cladding of either leather / fabric.. Pero mukhang fabric na nga..
The current plan will look like this.. (Ung walls lang w/out the lights..)
http://www.houzz.com/photos/1016818/Snug-Harbor-contemporary-media-room-orange-county
Meron po ba kayong suggestion sir? Thanks!

Placement of these materials are critical, could be aesthetically pleasing but should consider the function of the room. These should tame unwanted resonance but keep the room lively.

This sounds a bit complicated w/ calculations and such.. Right now, the priorities are looks, then sound.. But doesn't sacrifice much over the other.. In my posted link sir, what adjustments would you suggest?

Again thanks guys, I appreciate the help.. 

[fredreadrick]

Yes sir, full carpet.. Sa ngayon bare pa ung walls, but the plan is full cladding of either leather / fabric.. Pero mukhang fabric na nga..
The current plan will look like this.. (Ung walls lang w/out the lights..)
http://www.houzz.com/photos/1016818/Snug-Harbor-contemporary-media-room-orange-county
Meron po ba kayong suggestion sir? Thanks!

wrapped na lang ung fabric panels sa MDF board, say like on the pictures - the dark colors, then the rest on medium density fiberglass insulation.

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Goodpm sirs,

My interior designer and I agreed to use leather and fabric for the walls, we redesigned the room, albeit not optimal for sound production, wifey approved..

Thanks for the tips sirs, it has been a big help.. 

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[audiojunkie]

Leather also  has acoustic characteristics but lower compared to other soft surfaces. Fabrics are just outer finish, acoustic effect depends on materials behind.

[Gino]

Pointless na advice. Wala pala siyang HT prenup

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Leather also  has acoustic characteristics but lower compared to other soft surfaces. Fabrics are just outer finish, acoustic effect depends on materials behind.

Hard foam sir ang plano, manipis lang..

Pointless na advice. Wala pala siyang HT prenup

Sorry sir di ko gets.. Picture ba un?

[audiojunkie]

To optimize the use of fabric should use acoustic quality foam or other materials. Your designer should understand the behavior of sound to properly place the material where it really required.

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To optimize the use of fabric should use acoustic quality foam or other materials. Your designer should understand the behavior of sound to properly place the material where it really required.

I will relay this to my designer.. Thanks!

[RXV]

If I were to create a dedicated HT, and you want a leather-fabric combination, I'd make the lower 1/4  of the walls leather and then the upper 3/4 fabric.

The lower part will be where the wires and cables are hidden (gapang), usually sa lower part ang madaling madumihan because of dust settlement as well as mas natatamaan. At least mas madaling linisin since punas lang ng leather.

While the upper 3/4 are fabric, stapled into multiple wooden frames and then adhered to the wall. At the back of SOME frames you could stuff acoustic dampening material like rockwool/fiberglass for taming/controlling reflections and/or bass, depending on the location in the room. The good thing about this approach is that you could customized and adjust your stuffings behind the fabric wall according to your taste/needs. And also, the worse case is, if talagang nadumihan yung cloth, you could easily replace them frame by frame (not the whole wall), just a matter of restapling new cloth.

This is what I meant on the framed walls (very similar to your link). I hope this helps, as I am also planning to DIY my own dedicated HT in the FAR future

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1515820/ht-of-the-month-staggered-walls

[Nelson de Leon]

If I were to create a dedicated HT, and you want a leather-fabric combination, I'd make the lower 1/4  of the walls leather and then the upper 3/4 fabric.

The lower part will be where the wires and cables are hidden (gapang), usually sa lower part ang madaling madumihan because of dust settlement as well as mas natatamaan. At least mas madaling linisin since punas lang ng leather.

While the upper 3/4 are fabric, stapled into multiple wooden frames and then adhered to the wall. At the back of SOME frames you could stuff acoustic dampening material like rockwool/fiberglass for taming/controlling reflections and/or bass, depending on the location in the room. The good thing about this approach is that you could customized and adjust your stuffings behind the fabric wall according to your taste/needs. And also, the worse case is, if talagang nadumihan yung cloth, you could easily replace them frame by frame (not the whole wall), just a matter of restapling new cloth.

This is what I meant on the framed walls (very similar to your link). I hope this helps, as I am also planning to DIY my own dedicated HT in the FAR future

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1515820/ht-of-the-month-staggered-walls

Ganyan ang ginawa ko. Except yun leatherette ginamit ko as takip ng mga flat horizontal surfaces para madaling punasan kapag may alkabok. Yun lower cabinet ko, i used fabric din para pumasok ang sound because mga assorted anik-anik ang laman sa loob, that would act as diffuser. Yun cabinet sa lower left and right part, may gapangan ng wires so i can replace them or for trouble-shooting.

[timber715]

Ako, I would try first what fits the room best before committing to it. Mahirap pabago bago, masyadong magastos. Acousticians are pretty pricey, so if you have friends who have absorbers and or diffusers ask if you can try them in your room. That way you would have a sense of what your room needs or what fits best to to your taste. Then move from there... You might not even need absorption and can get away with leather walls....
Now if you can't find friends who can lend you, then try asking people here. You would be amazed at some members going the extra mile to help a neighbor or a newbie. But you do have to ask, free naman yun eh...

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@RXV

Those are some nice tips.. And the HT on the link is great! Kung napaaga lang ang pagkakita ko nito, ito ang ipapagaya ko.. And would definitely follow your guide.. Right now medyo naka touch move na ako sa design nung designer, everything's a go.. From materials to layout.. But thanks.. Pede ko ipagaya yan balang araw since removable naman ang magiging finish ng walls ko..

@timber715

The whole house is under construction, kaya from scratch talaga sya.. It's either finish it will bare walls, install equipments, then test and decide, or ayusin na agad para pag lipat marathon na..   

This forum is a big enough help for me.. Should I need that extra mile, I will definitely ask.. Thanks and more power!

[Nelson de Leon]

Bump? 

[Gino]

Any acoustic treatment must be preceded by a room evaluation. An audition and if need be acoustic measurement to see what you got to fix.

Treatments either absorb, reflect, and diffuse. Perhaps a combination. This means you must be accurate in knowing what you want to fix. Think of it as Eq'ing the room. If you don't know what your curve is like, where your peaks and dips are, how can you adjust the eq?

There is no generic treatment. Each treatment has its own acoustic property. Each design has its range of effectivity. Wrongly applied, they can do more harm than good. It can mess a good room response.

There is math and physics in treatment design. If you don't compute or have a manufacturer do so, you don't know its effect.

[qguy]

+10000

Any acoustic treatment must be preceded by a room evaluation.

[Oldboyracer]

Hi off,
Lot's of good advice has been posted here but 1 thing to bear in mind is if you want your room to combine HT & Audio there is a trade off when organising the acoustic treatment. HT should be more dead than alive & Audio more alive than dead, which is more important to you will affect which side you lean to. I would suggest that you use a design that you can modify without too much disturbance to the existing decor.
I wish you all the best in your quest for enjoyment, I found the journey very interesting & informative.
Congrats in advance on your new house & HT room 

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Thanks for the tips sirs.. Indeed, I still have lots to learn.. The room turned out good, unfortunately though, it is not optimized for acoustic applications.. We used carpet tiles from floor to wall, and some parts with wallpapers.. Commander's orders.. (Magkasabwat sila nung interior designer)

Overall, I'm happy w/ my current setup.. Should I redo everything, I'd stay away from fabric.. I have a padded door w/ fabric, and they are already filled w/ marks.. (kids are unstoppable)

Is it possible though, to identify what needs to be done, just by looking at a pic of the room? Para post ako sa gallery and ask for more advice..

[audiojunkie]

In a dedicated HT/audio room acoustic treatment should be properly placed as mentioned by sir Gino, unlike in other areas in the house (living or bedroom) where lots of absorbing and reflective furnitures. I would suggest to do search online for room treatment guides at least we know the basic principles of acoustics.