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« Reply #900 on: Aug 27, 2008 at 06:34 PM »
Just a thought lang (you may agree or not).  The comparison between Plasma vs. LCD is similar to Mac OS vs. Windows.  Although Mac OS is much superior than Windows, a lot of people end up buying Windows because of its wide range of compatibility and use. More support for software and devices.  In the same vein, while generally the contrast and picture quality of plasma is better than LCD, most people buy LCD because of price, size, flexibility and wider range of use (gaming, pc monitor, use in bright room, etc.).   But in the end, the winner is neither Mac OS nor Windows but Linux which, although still in the development stage, would eventually triumph over the two OS once the public throw their all-out support for it... in the same manner that PJ is the clear winner (and the future of home theater) over plasma and LCD.   ;D


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« Reply #901 on: Aug 27, 2008 at 06:46 PM »
Just a thought lang (you may agree or not).  The comparison between Plasma vs. LCD is similar to Mac OS vs. Windows.  Although Mac OS is much superior than Windows, a lot of people end up buying Windows because of its wide range of compatibility and use. More support for software and devices.  In the same vein, while generally the contrast and picture quality of plasma is better than LCD, most people buy LCD because of price, size, flexibility and wider range of use (gaming, pc monitor, use in bright room, etc.).   But in the end, the winner is neither Mac OS nor Windows but Linux which, although still in the development stage, would eventually triumph over the two OS once the public throw their all-out support for it... in the same manner that PJ is the clear winner (and the future of home theater) over plasma and LCD.   ;D



i like the analogy of linux and pj.  ;D

but the reason why linux is so popular its becuase its open source and free, pj's are not free. sure hope they do though....  ;)

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« Reply #902 on: Aug 27, 2008 at 06:59 PM »
i like the analogy of linux and pj.  ;D

but the reason why linux is so popular its becuase its open source and free, pj's are not free. sure hope they do though....  ;)

Free PJs?  That will end the epic battle between plasma vs. lcd.   :D  :D  :D

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« Reply #903 on: Aug 27, 2008 at 07:05 PM »
Free PJs?  That will end the epic battle between plasma vs. lcd.   :D  :D  :D

hehehe, my thoughts exactly!  ;D

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« Reply #904 on: Aug 28, 2008 at 05:58 AM »
Just a thought lang (you may agree or not).  The comparison between Plasma vs. LCD is similar to Mac OS vs. Windows.  Although Mac OS is much superior than Windows, a lot of people end up buying Windows because of its wide range of compatibility and use. More support for software and devices.  In the same vein, while generally the contrast and picture quality of plasma is better than LCD, most people buy LCD because of price, size, flexibility and wider range of use (gaming, pc monitor, use in bright room, etc.).   But in the end, the winner is neither Mac OS nor Windows but Linux which, although still in the development stage, would eventually triumph over the two OS once the public throw their all-out support for it... in the same manner that PJ is the clear winner (and the future of home theater) over plasma and LCD.   ;D

kewl analogy but if you were to disect the PJ ..

technically PJs are expensive (but bang for the buck in size/price) .. (mac)
bulb life is short .. (windows)
bulb is expensive .. (mac)
high maintainance .. (linux) ..

;D ;D
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« Reply #905 on: Aug 28, 2008 at 10:33 AM »
Yeah, I appreciate that skin tones look better on a plasma because of the warmer colors.  But haven't you noticed that TV personalities and movie stars look soooooooooooo much whiter in person than on TV.  Pati si Bayani Agbayani mamula mula complexion sa personal ne.   So which TV tech is closest to real skin tone then?    ;D ;D

haha. Di ko pa na try sa free tv ang plasma.:P I had seen a local broadcast on LCD and Im not happy with what I saw. Sobrang daming noise.

Speaking of black complexion, I had watch I-robot on a plasma and will smiths skin tone looks normal to me (hindi mamula mula) and looks almost the same as with an HDCRT, which again is my gauge. hehe

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« Reply #906 on: Aug 28, 2008 at 05:30 PM »
haha. Di ko pa na try sa free tv ang plasma.:P I had seen a local broadcast on LCD and Im not happy with what I saw. Sobrang daming noise.

Speaking of black complexion, I had watch I-robot on a plasma and will smiths skin tone looks normal to me (hindi mamula mula) and looks almost the same as with an HDCRT, which again is my gauge. hehe

He he he.  I think Will Smith is more on the dark side in person.  Isa pang napaka-tisoy (and not fugly) sa personal si Sammy Lagmay.   ;D

Self test.  Look at your handsome face in the mirror and then check your complexion on a home video.   Di ba mukhang mas dark ang complexion mo sa video using CRT TV or Plasma?   Try mo LCD, ang puti ng face.  So saan ka mas pogi?   ;D ;D ;D

Anyway, regular TV looks better on a Plasma.  1000% agree.  Pero for high def TV program na maliwanag - well, depende sa taste ng tao and depende sa liwanag ng TV room mo.


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« Reply #907 on: Aug 28, 2008 at 05:33 PM »
Self test.  Look at your handsome face in the mirror and then check your complexion on a home video.   Di ba mukhang mas dark ang complexion mo sa video using CRT TV or Plasma?   Try mo LCD, ang puti ng face.  So saan ka mas pogi?   ;D ;D ;D


 ;D ;D ;D

natawa ako dito ah... nice one sir.

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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #908 on: Aug 28, 2008 at 11:29 PM »
Panasonic IFA 2008 plasma prototypes: super thin, super green, super big




Panasonic's welcoming you to the future of plasma HDTV, starting along with the stunning 150-inch 4K plasma, that is, surprisingly enough bigger than its old 103-inch model (shocking, we know) leading to the debut of three "super thin" plasma prototypes measuring 24.7mm deep in 50-inch and, for what it claims is the first time, 58- and 65-inch sizes that also include Wireless HD. One-fourth the thickness of current Panasonic models and one-half the weight combined with no wires leads Panasonic to believe we'll be able to reorganize the living room shortly, without silly mounting issues and need to run cables. If that fails to inspire, how about a 42-inch prototype that claims twice the luminance efficiency and the same brightness as its current 42-inch 1080p model while only sipping half the power -- if that's a concern. Check out more pics after the break.Panasonic 150- vs. 103-inch plasma HDTV:




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« Reply #909 on: Aug 28, 2008 at 11:42 PM »
whoa, mukhang mas manipis sya sa scarlet ng LG at the same time parang oled ang nipis

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« Reply #910 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 07:20 AM »
whoa, mukhang mas manipis sya sa scarlet ng LG at the same time parang oled ang nipis
mukhang magpapalit ka nanaman bro ah .. :P
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« Reply #911 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 09:30 AM »
Self test.  Look at your handsome face in the mirror and then check your complexion on a home video.   Di ba mukhang mas dark ang complexion mo sa video using CRT TV or Plasma?   Try mo LCD, ang puti ng face.  So saan ka mas pogi?   ;D ;D ;D


Ha ha. Maputi ang complexion ko  sir sa CRT kapag malalakas ang backlight lighting sa room.  ;D


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« Reply #912 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 10:04 AM »
Ha ha. Maputi ang complexion ko  sir sa CRT kapag malalakas ang backlight lighting sa room.  ;D

just like what my photographer friend told me .. its all in the lighting  ;)
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« Reply #913 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 10:17 AM »
The reference is not your face in real life. 

The reference is the video as recorded on the master copy.

CRT reproduces the source image accurately.  If your face is dark on the CRT, the recorded subject needs more lighting.   

On an LCD monitor, the dark footage might look bright enough, leading you to think that the footage was fine.



just like what my photographer friend told me .. its all in the lighting  ;)

That's right.  It's all in the lighting, not the backlighting.   ;) :D
 
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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #914 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 10:19 AM »
Self test.  Look at your handsome face in the mirror and then check your complexion on a home video.   Di ba mukhang mas dark ang complexion mo sa video using CRT TV or Plasma?   Try mo LCD, ang puti ng face.  So saan ka mas pogi?   ;D ;D ;D




hehe.. Ya yun nga I notice din in plasma but talaga nga its up to one's preference/choice. Few months ago I bought nga a plasma for my parents bec they really just view cable tv. So just this morning I compared both my 46lcd and my parents 42 plasma. I find nga the plasma darker, Im not used to it. Both already calibrated..Dvd viewing wise I think lcd has more detail/crisper, I may be wrong tho, sa dark scenes plasma wins hand down naman..I don't know about hidef, coz I haven't tried it yet..Thats just my observation..On my lcd I usually set the backlight to 0 kasi talaga it can be so bright and hurts my eyes. Im not into dark room viewing. One movie is enough for me in a dark room, In a well lighted room, I can watch 3 movies on one session.  ;D..So thats why I prefer lcd more.   ;)

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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #915 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 11:00 AM »
That's right.  It's all in the lighting, not the backlighting.   ;) :D
;D ;D
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« Reply #916 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 11:01 AM »
My updated personal preference.

Beijing Olympics High Def Opening and Closing Ceremonies:  Plasma
Beijing Olympics High Def Events:  LCD
High Def Variety Shows, Sports Programs, Drama, News on TV:  LCD
HD DVD:  HDTV CRT, Plasma (but King Kong looks more 3D on the LCD)
BD:  Dont have.   ;D
DVD Movies and Concert:  HDTV CRT, Plasma
SD Programs:  HDTV CRT, Plasma
MKV High Def Movies and US TV Series:  HDTV CRT, PC CRT Monitor, Plasma
Xbox360:  HDTV CRT, LCD
Internet Browsing:  PC CRT Monitor, LCD
SD Home Video and Digital Photo Slides:  Kahit ano but my skin look fairest on the LCD   ;D
High Def Porn:  Kahit ano but the bigger the panel, mas bastos.    ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #917 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 11:16 AM »
Gusto ko sana gumawa nang isa pang thread in relation to this one, pero merong polling. Para malaman in numbers talaga ang preference dito sa forum natin. Kaya lang parang wala yatang option ang pdvd or am I missing something?

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« Reply #918 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 11:48 AM »
Sir Clondalkin is based abroad, so he has more broadcast options.  And he's seen the latest and the greatest TVs, since he's Tokyo-based (tama ba?).

But if we limit his preferences to the common uses in the Philipppines ...

HD DVD:  HDTV CRT, Plasma (but King Kong looks more 3D on the LCD)
BD:  Dont have.   ;D
DVD Movies and Concert:  HDTV CRT, Plasma
SD Programs:  HDTV CRT, Plasma

... e di plasma rin pala ang preference niya ...

di ba?  :)

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« Reply #919 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 12:02 PM »
But if we limit his preferences to the common uses in the Philipppines ...

... e di plasma rin pala ang preference niya ...
di ba?  :)

No objection your honor.   :)

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« Reply #920 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 12:14 PM »
jeez great!, ::) after reading this thread...i feel like replacing my 3 mos old LCD to Plasma!
and i have'nt upgraded yet to blueray!...you guys seems like to spread the (you know what i mean)...imagine that just by reading..how much more in person...
anyhow, well just see...
hmmm, plasma... ::)
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« Reply #921 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 12:48 PM »
jeez great!, ::) after reading this thread...i feel like replacing my 3 mos old LCD to Plasma!

I always say that both formats have their own faults.  And I also have several posts criticizing plasma.

Just make sure you know what plasma's faults are before believing that plasma is really better!  ;)

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« Reply #922 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 12:50 PM »
That's a great post from someone who has used them all and seen them all. :)

Sir Clondalkin, would you have a preference depending on the room lighting?  I like to dim the lights when I watch movies.  But cable TV is anytime, anywhere.  Not much we can do about it, our local cable TV isn't very good.

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« Reply #923 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 01:13 PM »
That's a great post from someone who has used them all and seen them all. :)

Sir Clondalkin, would you have a preference depending on the room lighting?  I like to dim the lights when I watch movies.  But cable TV is anytime, anywhere.  Not much we can do about it, our local cable TV isn't very good.

lcd ba or plasma chief?  ::)

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« Reply #924 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 01:22 PM »
Let's wait for sir Clondalkin's comments.  Reliable ang comments niya.  He prefers LCD, but he's not an LCD fanboy. 

In fact, he was probably the very first member to post a detailed LCD vs plasma comparison on this forum.  I think he was also the first to say here that when using Blu-ray, it's very hard to distinguish the best LCDs from the best plasmas, and I think he's right.       
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« Reply #925 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 02:00 PM »
lcd ba or plasma chief?  ::)

di ako maka-decide chief --PJ, LCD, Plasma.... daming pros & cons. ;)

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« Reply #926 on: Aug 29, 2008 at 05:54 PM »
...would you have a preference depending on the room lighting?  I like to dim the lights when I watch movies.  But cable TV is anytime, anywhere.  Not much we can do about it, our local cable TV isn't very good.

You are absolutely right.   Cable TV/regular TV is anytime, anywhere and we have all been spoilt by the CRT for being such an all-lighting condition TV.  A plasma buyer should simply accept beforehand that he should provide some kind of illumination control in the TV room to maximize the viewing quality whether it be daytime or nightime.   It may be inconvenient to install additional curtains to dim the room or block sunlight or reduce reflections during the day, but it would be silly not to use an HDTV properly. (this is particularly important for the top of the line Panasonic which has full glass (glossy) face design - however judging from the other models, the panels per se have become less reflective compared to old gen ones), Right out of the box, the LCD should be the more convenient choice because you don’t have to change anything in the viewing room.  In fact, you should maintain sufficient lighting while watching on an LCD in order to prevent excessive eyestrain as the image may be too bright.

I think I’ve posted this somewhere but in my opinion, the most important criteria is which “image quality” you and your family prefer under proper lighting conditions based on your intended usage and other video contents that you will have ready access to.  I agree with you that the quality of cable and broadcast in the Philippines is quite appalling.  So until HD broadcast begins in the Philippines, I’m positive that Plasma is more suitable to what is available (legally or otherwise) in our country.  But again, you have to control your room illumination especially during the day.  I'm not implying that LCD would be the better choice for HD broadcast, but under such conditions, the odds would even out and the choice becomes even harder and more "content-to-content dependent".  Me thinks.

Based on the latest offerings of Panasonic, it’s pretty obvious that making the Plasma image look “brighter” is one of the improvements that their engineers are working on. Afterall, many people are now wanting to make their houses naturally bright during the day.  I think Nemesis has already posted somewhere that the difference between the 8 series and the 7 series is “matapang ang kulay” (if I remember it correctly).  In my observation, the 8 series plasmas are not only matingkad, but they seem to appear brighter than their predecessor under the same lighting condition; still not as bright as LCDs though.

On the other hand, you don’t have to look at the specs to be convinced that everytime a new iteration of LCD is released by renowned makes, it is obviously more colorful than previous models.   Reds are becoming less magenta (especially for Sonys), blacks are moving closer to the dark side.  Unfortunately, LCD engineers are not at all interested in improving the SD image out of an HDTV LCD.  What’s the point in doing that anyway ne?  In any case, the LCD color saturation may not still be as “true” as that of Plasma, but colors do not have to be highly accurate to perceive moving high def images as “beautiful.”  Bring 10 kids to an electronic store and let them choose between the colorful but dim plasma against the unnatural but bright LCD both showing images in their high def glory.  Which do you think they would choose?

Of course, what differentiates PinoyDVD members from kids is that we have the tendency to be more “childish” in scrutinizing every single aspect of an image beyond practicality. ;D

All I know is that puede akong magluto, maglaba, magplantsa, magsulat, magbasa, kumain ng lunch while watching on an LCD, while I have to chill out in subdued light when watching on a plasma.   ;D ;D ;D...and I'm trying to develop the habit to "really watch" while the Plasma is on because medyo mataas ang power rating ng full HD plasma.  Taas kamay ng mahilig mag-on ng TV all day kahit hindi naman talaga pinapanood or pasilip silip lang or nakikinig lang sa news/sound.   ;D 


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« Reply #927 on: Aug 30, 2008 at 09:50 PM »
Noted!  Thanks for the detailed & insightful reply.

There are times when we want to make an "event" out of watching a movie, making sure the video and sound equipment are tweaked to the max, and the room is prepped for the best ambiance.  Then there are also those times when we can't be bothered to perform the usual ceremonyas... just wanna kick off the shoes, dive into the couch and press the remote.

I think there are enough variations in content, lighting, usage and mood that the "right choice" isn't right all the time, but mostly darn good enough.  Once I make my choice in the next 2-3 weeks, I'll try not to think about it too much and just enjoy it. ;D

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« Reply #928 on: Aug 31, 2008 at 03:22 AM »
Noted!  Thanks for the detailed & insightful reply.

There are times when we want to make an "event" out of watching a movie, making sure the video and sound equipment are tweaked to the max, and the room is prepped for the best ambiance.  Then there are also those times when we can't be bothered to perform the usual ceremonyas... just wanna kick off the shoes, dive into the couch and press the remote.

I think there are enough variations in content, lighting, usage and mood that the "right choice" isn't right all the time, but mostly darn good enough.  Once I make my choice in the next 2-3 weeks, I'll try not to think about it too much and just enjoy it. ;D

amen to that, hehehehe, balitaan mo ako jan chief  ;D
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« Reply #929 on: Aug 31, 2008 at 09:25 AM »
You are absolutely right.   Cable TV/regular TV is anytime, anywhere and we have all been spoilt by the CRT for being such an all-lighting condition TV.  A plasma buyer should simply accept beforehand that he should provide some kind of illumination control in the TV room to maximize the viewing quality whether it be daytime or nightime.   It may be inconvenient to install additional curtains to dim the room or block sunlight or reduce reflections during the day, but it would be silly not to use an HDTV properly. (this is particularly important for the top of the line Panasonic which has full glass (glossy) face design - however judging from the other models, the panels per se have become less reflective compared to old gen ones), Right out of the box, the LCD should be the more convenient choice because you don’t have to change anything in the viewing room.  In fact, you should maintain sufficient lighting while watching on an LCD in order to prevent excessive eyestrain as the image may be too bright.

I think I’ve posted this somewhere but in my opinion, the most important criteria is which “image quality” you and your family prefer under proper lighting conditions based on your intended usage and other video contents that you will have ready access to.  I agree with you that the quality of cable and broadcast in the Philippines is quite appalling.  So until HD broadcast begins in the Philippines, I’m positive that Plasma is more suitable to what is available (legally or otherwise) in our country.  But again, you have to control your room illumination especially during the day.  I'm not implying that LCD would be the better choice for HD broadcast, but under such conditions, the odds would even out and the choice becomes even harder and more "content-to-content dependent".  Me thinks.

Based on the latest offerings of Panasonic, it’s pretty obvious that making the Plasma image look “brighter” is one of the improvements that their engineers are working on. Afterall, many people are now wanting to make their houses naturally bright during the day.  I think Nemesis has already posted somewhere that the difference between the 8 series and the 7 series is “matapang ang kulay” (if I remember it correctly).  In my observation, the 8 series plasmas are not only matingkad, but they seem to appear brighter than their predecessor under the same lighting condition; still not as bright as LCDs though.

On the other hand, you don’t have to look at the specs to be convinced that everytime a new iteration of LCD is released by renowned makes, it is obviously more colorful than previous models.   Reds are becoming less magenta (especially for Sonys), blacks are moving closer to the dark side.  Unfortunately, LCD engineers are not at all interested in improving the SD image out of an HDTV LCD.  What’s the point in doing that anyway ne?  In any case, the LCD color saturation may not still be as “true” as that of Plasma, but colors do not have to be highly accurate to perceive moving high def images as “beautiful.”  Bring 10 kids to an electronic store and let them choose between the colorful but dim plasma against the unnatural but bright LCD both showing images in their high def glory.  Which do you think they would choose?

Of course, what differentiates PinoyDVD members from kids is that we have the tendency to be more “childish” in scrutinizing every single aspect of an image beyond practicality. ;D

All I know is that puede akong magluto, maglaba, magplantsa, magsulat, magbasa, kumain ng lunch while watching on an LCD, while I have to chill out in subdued light when watching on a plasma.   ;D ;D ;D...and I'm trying to develop the habit to "really watch" while the Plasma is on because medyo mataas ang power rating ng full HD plasma.  Taas kamay ng mahilig mag-on ng TV all day kahit hindi naman talaga pinapanood or pasilip silip lang or nakikinig lang sa news/sound.   ;D 

Very well said. A response smack right at the issue.  :)