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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #150 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:08 AM »
Quote from: bumblebee on Jul 23, 2015 at 11:06 AM
Any of the two.

So you are saying most men like lesbian action?   :)
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #151 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM »
Quote from: DVD_Freak on Jul 23, 2015 at 11:08 AM
So you are saying most men like lesbian action?   :)

Yeah. Lalo na yung mga "tunay" na lalaki kuno :)
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #152 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:15 AM »
Quote from: bumblebee on Jul 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM
Yeah. Lalo na yung mga "tunay" na lalaki kuno :)

 I really don't know any heterosexual male na ok sa kanila yun lesbian action.  But maybe meron dito sa pdvd na gusto If most men really are into that sort of thing.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #153 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:25 AM »
Quote from: bumblebee on Jul 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM
It's their business :) Most men like g2g actions, right? How come it's ok and m2m isn't?

just to confirm this is your instance in respect of your religious belief? as long as its not your business it is not wrong?

Quote from: bumblebee on Jul 23, 2015 at 10:47 AM
So which is worse, wrong or unnatural?

worse... well of course = homosexuality, it is wrong and is unnatural according to the Bible
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #154 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:30 AM »
Quote from: dpogs on Jul 23, 2015 at 11:25 AM
just to confirm this is your instance in respect of your religious belief? as long as its not your business it is not wrong?

My take on this does depend on my religion nga e. Semi-practicing nga.

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worse... well of course = homosexuality, it is wrong and is unnatural according to the Bible

Sabi mo kanina nothing's wrong. Only unnatural. Ano ba talaga?

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #155 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:33 AM »
Quote from: DVD_Freak on Jul 23, 2015 at 11:15 AM
I really don't know any heterosexual male na ok sa kanila yun lesbian action.  But maybe meron dito sa pdvd na gusto If most men really are into that sort of thing.

Well, you're in for a surprise.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #156 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:45 AM »
Quote from: bumblebee on Jul 23, 2015 at 11:30 AM
My take on this does depend on my religion nga e. Semi-practicing nga.

Sabi mo kanina nothing's wrong. Only unnatural. Ano ba talaga?



Ahhh okay as long as it is not your problem then it is right. Okay.


If you're homosexual then there is nothing wrong and it is unnatural.
Practicing homosexuality or same gender sex is wrong and it is unnatural.
 
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #157 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:53 AM »
Quote from: DVD_Freak on Jul 23, 2015 at 11:15 AM
I really don't know any heterosexual male na ok sa kanila yun lesbian action.
LOL
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #158 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:55 AM »
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #159 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 02:14 PM »
Quote from: dpogs on Jul 23, 2015 at 11:25 AM
worse... well of course = homosexuality, it is wrong and is unnatural according to the Bible

Wearing a cotton shirt and denim jeans is wrong and unnatural according to the Bible.

Eating shrimp is wrong and unnatural according to the Bible.

Working on the Sabbath is wrong and unnatural according to the Bible.

Maraming "wrong" and "unnatural" according to the Bible.

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If God approves male-to-male sex He could have made our anus to produce natural lubricants

Heterosexual couples have anal sex too, y'know. A lot of people find it pleasurable to have sex back there even a lot of women. Among men, that's also where the prostate gland is located and it's said very pleasurable when you stimulate it. So pleasurable, in fact, some STRAIGHT men like to stick their fingers or use dildos up there. Why did God make it like that if He didn't approve?

Sorry to get graphic but you were asking for it. (So to speak.  ;D ;D ;D)
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #160 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 02:23 PM »
Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Jul 23, 2015 at 02:14 PM
Wearing a cotton shirt and denim jeans is wrong and unnatural according to the Bible.

Eating shrimp is wrong and unnatural according to the Bible.

Working on the Sabbath is wrong and unnatural according to the Bible.

Maraming "wrong" and "unnatural" according to the Bible.

Sabi ko nga... pointing out certain instances from the Bible that are considered impractical today doesn't merit the same conviction regarding homosexuality.  Hindi siya automatic.  If you want to make a credible and convincing case, cite verses from the Bible that support homosexuality.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #161 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 02:29 PM »
I agree with Desmond Tutu

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« Reply #162 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 02:40 PM »
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If you want to make a credible and convincing case, cite verses from the Bible that support homosexuality.

I've already cited three instances: David & Jonathan, Ruth & Naomi and Jesus healing the Roman centurion's "servant" (which some people theorize was the Roman centurion's teenage boy lover which was a common practice among Roman centurions).

barrister disputed all three, saying I wasn't reading the Scriptures correctly.

However, I countered that the Bible has been translated and interpreted numerous times by millions, billions of people over thousands of years and a lot of it is very subjective. If it weren't, we wouldn't be having so many different religions and denominations. It's also the reason why various groups of people with conflicting ideologies would both hold the Bible up as their basis for their two different opposing beliefs (the KKK and MLK Jr. for instance). 

And yet he thinks *his* interpretation of the Bible is correct.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #163 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 02:45 PM »
Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Jul 23, 2015 at 02:40 PM
I've already cited three instances: David & Jonathan, Ruth & Naomi and Jesus healing the Roman centurion's "servant" (which some people theorize was the Roman centurion's teenage boy lover which was a common practice among Roman centurions).

barrister disputed all three, saying I wasn't reading the Scriptures correctly.

However, I countered that the Bible has been translated and interpreted numerous times by millions, billions of people over thousands of years and a lot of it is very subjective. If it weren't, we wouldn't be having so many different religions and denominations. It's also the reason why various groups of people with conflicting ideologies would both hold the Bible up as their basis for their two different opposing beliefs (the KKK and MLK Jr. for instance). 

And yet he thinks *his* interpretation of the Bible is correct.

Yes I acknowledge that you did cite 3 instances.  Baka lang meron pang iba...yun bago.  Baka mas irrefutable yun iba pa.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #164 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 09:15 PM »
Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Jul 23, 2015 at 02:14 PM
Wearing a cotton shirt and denim jeans is wrong and unnatural according to the Bible.

Eating shrimp is wrong and unnatural according to the Bible.

Working on the Sabbath is wrong and unnatural according to the Bible.

Maraming "wrong" and "unnatural" according to the Bible.

Heterosexual couples have anal sex too, y'know. A lot of people find it pleasurable to have sex back there even a lot of women. Among men, that's also where the prostate gland is located and it's said very pleasurable when you stimulate it. So pleasurable, in fact, some STRAIGHT men like to stick their fingers or use dildos up there. Why did God make it like that if He didn't approve?

Sorry to get graphic but you were asking for it. (So to speak.  ;D ;D ;D)

Why God make anus with many nerve ending? For decafication (period). Kung walang nerve endings yan di mo namamalayan na nagtatae ka na pala at malamang lamang di ka matutuwang magtae.

Regarding food to eat, Jesus said it is not that goes in to your mouth that matters but what goes out. Jesus said that it is okay to eat any food.

Sabbath day, Jesus said the sabbath day was made for man. God did not create man for sabbath. Jesus allowed his disciple to eat, work during sabath day.


And if you cite some law in the old testament be sure to know what kind of law is that:

Civil law - for israel only
Ceremonial law - not applicable today
Moral law - still applicable today including homosexuality, murder, idolatry, adultery etc.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #165 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 09:25 PM »
Wala akong nabasang cotton shirt and jeans sa bible. Uso na pala dati yun?
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« Reply #166 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 09:26 PM »
Quote from: Nelson de Leon on Jul 23, 2015 at 09:25 PM
Wala akong nabasang cotton shirt and jeans sa bible. Uso na pala dati yun?

The Bible explicitly says can't wear clothes with two different fabrics. That means if you wear a cotton shirt and denim pants, you are committing a sin.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #167 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 09:36 PM »
Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Jul 23, 2015 at 09:26 PM
The Bible explicitly says can't wear clothes with two different fabrics. That means if you wear a cotton shirt and denim pants, you are committing a sin.

Well could you site the verse kung totoong meron? Unless hearsay na naman yan.
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« Reply #168 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 09:38 PM »
Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Jul 23, 2015 at 09:26 PM
The Bible explicitly says can't wear clothes with two different fabrics. That means if you wear a cotton shirt and denim pants, you are committing a sin.

Before you qoute any law in the old testament make sure to know what kind of law iyan

We have 3 law in the old testament
Civil law - for the nation of israel only
Ceremonial law - not applicable today since Jesus already died im the cross, includes what food to eat, dress to wear, menstruatuon period, etc that signify cleanes and purity of blood

Last but most important

Moral law - still applies today, includes homosexuality, adultery, cheating, idolatry, murder etc
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #169 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 09:41 PM »
Leviticus 19:19
"'Keep my decrees. "'Do not mate different kinds of animals. "'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. "'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."

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Before you qoute any law in the old testament make sure to know what kind of law iyan

We have 3 law in the old testament
Civil law - for the nation of israel only
Ceremonial law - not applicable today since Jesus already died im the cross, includes what food to eat, dress to wear, menstruatuon period, etc that signify cleanes and purity of blood

Last but most important

Moral law - still applies today, includes homosexuality, adultery, cheating, idolatry, murder etc

Ibig sabihin, pili-pili, pili-pili lang.

Bakit ba kailangan isama ang homosexuality diyan? Wala naman sinasaktan ang homosexuality eh.
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« Reply #170 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 09:45 PM »
Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Jul 23, 2015 at 09:41 PM
Leviticus 19:19
"'Keep my decrees. "'Do not mate different kinds of animals. "'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. "'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."


Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Jul 23, 2015 at 09:26 PM
The Bible explicitly says can't wear clothes with two different fabrics. That means if you wear a cotton shirt and denim pants, you are committing a sin.

Before you qoute any law in the old testament make sure to know what kind of law iyan

We have 3 law in the old testament
Civil law - for the nation of israel only
Ceremonial law - not applicable today since Jesus already died im the cross, includes what food to eat, dress to wear, menstruatuon period, etc that signify cleanes and purity of blood

Last but most important

Moral law - still applies today, includes homosexuality, adultery, cheating, idolatry, murder etc
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #171 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 10:17 PM »
Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Jul 23, 2015 at 09:26 PM
The Bible explicitly says can't wear clothes with two different fabrics. That means if you wear a cotton shirt and denim pants, you are committing a sin.

Hindi naman ganun ang ibig sabihin nun.  The prohibition was intended during ancient Israel times where basically only wool and linen were used.  Wala pa naman denim and cotton noon.  One reason for the prohibition would most likely to maintain a distance between the high priest who was God's representative and the common people. Because the high priest wore both wool and linen.  So bawal yun common folk.  Common sense na lang.  Papano mo ipagbabawal ang hindi pa naiimbento?  Meron pa bang wool and linen today?  Pwede ka naman magsuot ng any combination from polyester, nylon, cotton and denim. Ok lang yun.   ;D
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« Reply #172 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 10:36 PM »
That's correct.
 
In ancient Israel, only the ephod of the high priest was woven of linen and wool.  Everyone else was prohibited from having that kind of material. 
 
The prohibition was ceremonial in nature, not moral.  It was applicable to ancient Israel; it does not apply to Christians.
 
Manipis talaga ang unawa sa bibliya nito, ayaw pang aminin...  :D
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« Reply #173 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 10:56 PM »
Quote from: barrister on Jul 23, 2015 at 10:36 PM
That's correct.
 
In ancient Israel, only the ephod of the high priest was woven of linen and wool.  Everyone else was prohibited from having that kind of material. 
 
The prohibition was ceremonial in nature, not moral.  It was applicable to ancient Israel; it does not apply to Christians.
 
Manipis talaga ang unawa sa bibliya nito, ayaw pang aminin...  :D

Hinahantay ko lang na i-post niya kung saan niya kinuha para malaman natin ang pag-kakaintindi niya sa verse na yun. At least alam na natin ngayon kung paano siya mag-interpret.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #174 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:22 PM »
Matagal na nating alam kung paano siya mag interpret.

Isa lang naman ang direksiyon niya ---- pro gay sex.

No deep yearning for the true meaning of scripture.  Basta puro lang pro gay sex... ;)
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« Reply #175 on: Jul 23, 2015 at 11:26 PM »
payo ko lang kay klaus,nabasa ko lang sa isang site

How To Read The Bible For Better Understanding

Pray first before opening God's word.  Ask for guidance and to be able to accept what is written and to be able to apply His will to your life.

Never, never read the Bible trying to proof your belief on any subject.  It is only human nature to take ideas out of context.

When you are reading and come across something that does not make sense, reread the paragraph or chapter again.  If you still do not understand, write down the problem area and continue onward. You may discover the answers later in your reading.

Start with the New Testament, people who start with the Old Testament almost never read the Bible all the way through.  The New Testament is what is binding on us today not the Old.  We need to follow God's will for us today not what was intended for the Jews.

Forget everything you have ever heard about Jesus, God and the Bible before you start reading the Bible.  Don't take what you want it to say with you first.

it.s not too late to try again
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« Reply #177 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 12:21 AM »
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« Reply #178 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 12:23 AM »
Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Jul 24, 2015 at 12:17 AM
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Whether homosexuality is a sin or not.... it doesn't matter.  Gays are not allowed to marry because it is against the law.  It's really very simple.   :)
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« Reply #179 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 12:27 AM »
Quote from: DVD_Freak on Jul 24, 2015 at 12:23 AM
Gays are not allowed to marry because it is against the law.  It's really very simple.   :)

Then we should change the law. It's really very simple. :)
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