i just got lucky the owner of S&S was around when I bought the PTV
it seems that the owner is kind. natyempuhan ko rin sya minsan, browsing for a projector, and he was kind enough to let me audition three pj's. i also bought a pionner dvd player 969 from his shop, and told me that i can trade the pioneer to a denon 2910 straight up, thats after using the player fro a month or so.