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Re: iMAtZ THEATER (updated) w/ triple BI-AMP setup
« Reply #510 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 01:37 PM »
Sir, kaya ba may DVD sale ulit?  ;)

sir jojitv, when i was in college i promised myself "movies will accessible in the comforts of my home". i did it by buying thousands of dvds and vcds each month. it was a dream come true and one check in my life's essentials list.. i guess now it's time to venture to some other stuff. not so sure if the stuff is named bluray, hddvd or matzer's place. hehehehe.

mind you.. my price tags sa sale e palugi na. most of my closest friends here know and you may agree with me.. it was never about the money.

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« Reply #511 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 02:04 PM »
hehehehehe. actually sir... all roads and signs lead to that.

 8) ;D ;)

HAHA!!! Its truly EXCITING to know that!!!

Sa totoo lang, selling a few of your LE's can fund a great HT with much ease. Ikaw pa!

And sa dami ng DVD's mo, you have already solved a part of the acoustic problem: by using your massive collection of DVDs as sound diffusers!  :)

sir jojitv, when i was in college i promised myself "movies will accessible in the comforts of my home". i did it by buying thousands of dvds and vcds each month. it was a dream come true and one check in my life's essentials list.. i guess now it's time to venture to some other stuff. not so sure if the stuff is named bluray, hddvd or matzer's place. hehehehe.

mind you.. my price tags sa sale e palugi na. most of my closest friends here know and you may agree with me.. it was never about the money.

Tama! Its not about the money, its about personal satisfaction and achieving your goals!

And seeing your collection, its quite obvious that you have achieved your dreams with FLYING COLORS. So I guess now you are looking for a new challenge. Ayus yan, with an HT you can enjoy watching your collection of DVDs in an awesome movie-like environment.

May kulang pa sa Essentials list: wife ;D. But ok lang yan, you are young pa naman. So enjoy spending while you still can. haha. Iba na pag may asawa (may WAF na).

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« Reply #512 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 02:10 PM »
mind you.. my price tags sa sale e palugi na. most of my closest friends here know and you may agree with me.. it was never about the money.
 8)

Yup, I agree 100%. ;) I'm also thinking about selling my DVDs, in exchange for long time dream of mine. Which is a big bike.  ;D Sorry sir Matz, OT na. hehehe.
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« Reply #513 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 02:24 PM »
sir matz, sorry OT na nga kami ni jojitv. hehehehe..

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wife? regular release or ultimate edition? LOL! hirap mag-bid sa marketplace.

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hirap benta locally. ipitan ng presyo. weird nga pag kita ko ng mga setup, nakup pagkagandaganda pero sa DVD sobra tipid. hehehehe

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jojitv, go for it! if that would make you happy and content, i support you all the way.

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sir matz, will hibernate after the demo disc project tapos will be back with a vengeance. pramis!  teka, may assignment pala ako from sir blu. nice place talaga.. di lang setup. the whole package.

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« Reply #514 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 02:29 PM »
matt, ang lufet nyan!  :o :o :o

kakahiya idikit setup ko syo!

Haha! Kamusta na Andy! minsan na lang kita makita sa mga sessions. Or ako ba yung minsan pumunta ng sessions? hehe.

HT naman sa akin, audio sa yo. Magkaiba naman tayo ng setup :)

Walang kalaban laban yung cheap T-amp audio setup ko sa setup mo :D

Wow, upgrade ulit!!! :o Kailan kaya namin maexperience manuod sa iMAtZ Theater? ??? Congrats sir!! ;)

Ayus ah! ang galing mo talaga idol Matz!.... wow :o :o :o
congrats sir! kelan kaya tayo magkaka session diyan? ::) Diyan ba ang opening ng superman return? ;D imax na imax ah! ;D

Thanks Joey and Jojitv. Pag may session PM ko kayo.  :)

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« Reply #515 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 03:39 PM »
minsan sama ko kina jet kpag meron session sa inyo! :D


Haha! Kamusta na Andy! minsan na lang kita makita sa mga sessions. Or ako ba yung minsan pumunta ng sessions? hehe.

HT naman sa akin, audio sa yo. Magkaiba naman tayo ng setup :)

Walang kalaban laban yung cheap T-amp audio setup ko sa setup mo :D


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« Reply #516 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 03:43 PM »

Thanks Joey and Jojitv. Pag may session PM ko kayo.  :)

Ayan jopet, pag kakataon na natin to!!!  ;D ;D

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« Reply #517 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 05:38 PM »
galing galing niyo talaga sir matz! hindi ko na nga alam kung ano ipopost ko dito para may masabi.hehe..lahat na yata ng ayos na sasabihin eh nasabi ko na din.. hehe...basta, More Power pa! :D and God Bless!;)

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« Reply #518 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 06:25 PM »
Binata pa pala si hemi...bro....invest ka na sa HT....dahil kapag married kana..you'll hear words like WAF (wife acceptance factor) & HPO (hold purchase order).  They go hand in hand....iba talaga pag me HT....the experience is simply mind blowing!!  ;D ;D  Most consider it as the holy grail of all toys....look at matt's ever evolving HT, passion ang nagpagana nyan... ;D ;D

about the wife...ganda ng term ah...limited edition and ultimate edition..hahahaha ;D ;D

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« Reply #519 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 07:47 PM »
LOL! ultimate edition siempre ang the best. puede ding superbit or criterion. LOL!

HT.. yun nga iniisip ko. got to get used to the jargon. let's see.

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« Reply #520 on: Jun 27, 2006 at 10:44 PM »
redge hindi ka pwede mag asawa kasi multiple releases kinocollect mo :o :o :o ;D deluxe,special,limited,superbit,criterionat may unrated,extended and box set pa. polygamous labas mo nyan ;D Mag HT ka na lang ;)

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« Reply #521 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 12:40 AM »
ayan na po si sir redge, naku po! eto na sila sir matz,munskie,ricky... nalalapit na ang SARS. sarap pa naman ng mga gears niyan:)YUM!YUM!

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Re: iMAtZ THEATER (updated) w/ triple BI-AMP setup
« Reply #522 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 07:36 AM »
Just curious, how did you balanced out your LF driver with the HF driver in a Biamp setup. Sorry if you have answered it earlier, I did not backread.
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« Reply #523 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 11:20 AM »
Just curious, how did you balanced out your LF driver with the HF driver in a Biamp setup. Sorry if you have answered it earlier, I did not backread.

I didnt do any balancing sir. I did the necessary connections and heard a big improvement and I really liked it. So it was enough for me, I am not much into the technicalities of the hobby, mostly "plug and play" lang ako :). I dont know how to balance it anyway  :).

One thing I noticed:
the clarity of the bi-amped center speaker had a huge improvement, naririnig ko yung hinga and gaspang ng boses, parang sa tube amps.
And I love it!  :)

I also tried using 4 channels of the Rotel amp for Bi-amping the fronts. It was truly awesome for HT, all the sounds are even more defined, "galit na galit". But when I used it for music....  :-\ masakit sa tenga. I wanted a good balance for both music and HT.

I also tried other combos: T amp (not good at all for HT), Rotel solo, HK solo, HK for LF & Rotel for HF (may kulang). But the current combo: Rotel for LF and HK for HF sounded best. As an example, when cymbals or triangles sound on the current combo, ganito : " Tiinggggggggg". Yung ibang combo: " Tiinggg"  :-\ ("decay" ba tawag dito?)

So I put it back to Rotel - LF and HK-HF. Also for the reason na hindi masira yung amp section ng HK if unused (is this true?)
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« Reply #524 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 12:56 PM »
nakup.. tagal pa ako implement. observe muna ako sa mga gurus.

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Re: iMAtZ THEATER (updated) w/ triple BI-AMP setup
« Reply #525 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 12:57 PM »
I didnt do any balancing sir. I did the necessary connections and heard a big improvement and I really liked it. So it was enough for me, I am not much into the technicalities of the hobby, mostly \\\"plug and play\\\" lang ako :). I dont know how to balance it anyway  :).


Sir how about the volume, how do you balance the volume of the two amps? I believe both are differently rated.

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« Reply #526 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 02:08 PM »
Sir how about the volume, how do you balance the volume of the two amps? I believe both are differently rated.

The Rotel is a power amp so there are no volume controls and the volume adjusts accordingly when I use the receiver's volume control.

Both are differently rated-YES. But according to what I learned from JojoD, class B amps get power only when needed (unlike class A), so you arent using the full 100w of the Rotel and 90w of the Harman (plus 50 high current capacity)at one time. But during peak levels of performance from music or HT, the power is basically there to feed the LF and HF separately, and there is a generous allowance in each frequency to be able to power each without clipping during intensive scenes or musical peaks.

Basta in short, the combination sounds great (na tsambahan), ok na sa akin yun.  ;)

Examples of scenes that I have observed to clip a lot are Gangs of New York (DTS demo#8) and  Jurrassic Park. For me, these 2 scenes are the best reference materials to test the peak capacity of your amp power. I have used Yamaha 450 and 650 before. During the cannon explosion scenes, ang sakit sa tenga ng Gangs of New York. With the Jurassic Park T rex scene, lower powered amps tend to clip and the T-rex's roar sounded smooth (I also tried the dual T-amps for this scene recently).  Now with the power given by HK, then later HK+ Rotel, di na masakit sa tenga yung cannon scene and napakagaspang ng roar ng T-rex and ramdam mo sa dibdib bawat syllable ng "R-R-R-R" roar nya  ;D.

They also demo the T-rex scene in AVDI using the Denon flagship AVR and their JM labs speakers. Its a "must audition" for any HT enthusiast to hear how generously powered amps can sound like.  8) INGAT lang sa SARS  ;)
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Re: iMAtZ THEATER (updated) w/ triple BI-AMP setup
« Reply #527 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 02:31 PM »
ok... ganoon pala yun. ;D  sensya na sir noob lang talaga.

BTW. congrats nga pala sa yung IDOL-SUPER-GALING-GANDA set up.  ;D


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« Reply #528 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 03:00 PM »
matz,

Continuing congrats on your setup. The story of your system's development has been the most compelling and entertaining one in pinoydvd. Maraming salamat po for your generosity in sharing it. 

Mabuhay ang iMAtZ theater! May its story keep unfolding!

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« Reply #529 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 03:18 PM »
minsan sama ko kina jet kpag meron session sa inyo! :D

No problem bro. Ikaw pa!

galing galing niyo talaga sir matz! hindi ko na nga alam kung ano ipopost ko dito para may masabi.hehe..lahat na yata ng ayos na sasabihin eh nasabi ko na din.. hehe...basta, More Power pa! :D and God Bless!;)

Salamat Ronjet sa pag subaybay mo sa bawat ebolusyon ng HT ko. Thanks for all your kind words!  :) Mabuhay ka!

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« Reply #530 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 03:34 PM »
ok... ganoon pala yun. ;D  sensya na sir noob lang talaga.

BTW. congrats nga pala sa yung IDOL-SUPER-GALING-GANDA set up.  ;D

Hehe, no problem. Its a pleasure to explain some of the knowledge I learned along the way, most of them were learned from pdvd, others by experiment.

Thanks bro  :)

matz,

Continuing congrats on your setup. The story of your system's development has been the most compelling and entertaining one in pinoydvd. Maraming salamat po for your generosity in sharing it.

Mabuhay ang iMAtZ theater! May its story keep unfolding!

Haha, HT-novela pala yung thread na to.

Thanks sir Slowhand, its a pleasure to share. Like I told Bachwitz, most of what I learned I got from this site. Its but natural for me to share the knowledge back (via this thread) :). I actually get all sorts of PM inquiries ranging from HT questions to where to buy regular furniture in Manila ??? Buti na lang wala pa nag PM about LOVE or marital problems.  ;D

Malapit na din matapos yung episodes ng HT-novela ko. I believe my dream HT is complete and I dont find myself looking for any more HT stuff recently (its a good sign! My wife must be relieved! lol ;D)

Looking back, sometimes, my only regret is that I didnt have the money to buy the whole HT gears at once (di puro pa isa isang upgrade), but I realized that the thrill was there in slowly building the HT.  I learned a lot along the way and each new upgrade gives me the joy & satisfaction of having a new toy. If I hadnt gone this path, I would not have known the difference of my older gears (speakers, wires, lower powered amps) to my current ones.

So no regrets na ako ngayon  :) 8)

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« Reply #531 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 07:23 PM »
Happy to hear pare na you're really satisfied with what you have right now ;) Hanga ako sa tiyaga at sipag mo with all the experimentations that you did regarding bi-amping  ;) Your system is a proof that with pinoydvd you can build a KICK-ASS set-up without costing an arm and a leg (maybe a lot of sleepless nights lang  ;D) Time to move on bro, office audio set-up and car audio set-up naman ;D ;D ;D patay 8) Congrats again and its an honor to be welcomed at IMATZ theater anytime i want to drop by 8)

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« Reply #532 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 09:03 PM »
Time to move on bro, office audio set-up and car audio set-up naman ;D ;D ;D patay 8) Congrats again and its an honor to be welcomed at IMATZ theater anytime i want to drop by 8)
  tulungan kita matt dun sa installer ng car set-up ko.... ;D ;D hehehe  san ba yung devil icon.. ;D ;D

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« Reply #533 on: Jun 28, 2006 at 11:15 PM »
Sir Matz question na lang po.

Malaki ba difference ng m52 sa m34? Kasi napansin ko parang isang woofer lang yung m52, eh yung m34 2 woofers.  Nagimprove po ba ng husto maski isang woofer lang?
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« Reply #534 on: Jun 29, 2006 at 07:22 AM »
the continuing saga of matzter's quest for ht nirvana.  ;D ;D ;D

just like leo oracion's mt. everest quest? all of matts audio/ht escapades are well documented and commented in this thread.  8) 8) 8)

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« Reply #535 on: Jun 29, 2006 at 10:11 AM »
Happy to hear pare na you're really satisfied with what you have right now ;) Hanga ako sa tiyaga at sipag mo with all the experimentations that you did regarding bi-amping  ;) Your system is a proof that with pinoydvd you can build a KICK-ASS set-up without costing an arm and a leg (maybe a lot of sleepless nights lang  ;D) Time to move on bro, office audio set-up and car audio set-up naman ;D ;D ;D patay 8) Congrats again and its an honor to be welcomed at IMATZ theater anytime i want to drop by 8)

tulungan kita matt dun sa installer ng car set-up ko.... ;D ;D hehehe san ba yung devil icon.. ;D ;D

MGa DEBIL!!! >:D

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« Reply #536 on: Jun 29, 2006 at 10:48 AM »
The reason I asked, by biamping, you have 2 major bands that you are adjusting covering roughly 10 octaves. Given the passive crossover frequency of the speaker is 1500 hertz you will have 5.5 octaves for the low frequency (rb985) and 4.5 octaves for the HK to control. Since the rotel has attenuators on each channel(I presume), you need only adjust the Rotel to get the proper balance. The problem is, you need a good Real time Analyzer to do it. An Spl meter would do(a high quality one). Radio Shack SPL meter cannot be used unless you apply some weighting to the results of the meter at each frequency.

Amplifiers loves to be band limited and they give much more power as well as damping when band limited. It is very hard to adjust by ear. You have to have the instrumentations do it first and then fine tune by ear.

I think the purpose of having two sets of speaker inputs with most speakers is to biwire them. Since the output comes from 1 channel of the Amp with 2 wires going to the speakers, you essentially drop the impedance by half thereby increasing the amplifier's output (better amps like the rb985). This is easier than bi-amping because you will not adjust the balance between the LF and HF. You can biamp a speaker with ease if the output comes from the same amp model with the same attenuation level.

At the end of the day, it is still you satisfaction that is paramount, but if you want to optimize your setup to the last drop, there are some procedures that can be implimented.
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Re: iMAtZ THEATER (updated) w/ triple BI-AMP setup
« Reply #537 on: Jun 29, 2006 at 12:01 PM »
The reason I asked, by biamping, you have 2 major bands that you are adjusting covering roughly 10 octaves. Given the passive crossover frequency of the speaker is 1500 hertz you will have 5.5 octaves for the low frequency (rb985) and 4.5 octaves for the HK to control. Since the rotel has attenuators on each channel(I presume), you need only adjust the Rotel to get the proper balance. The problem is, you need a good Real time Analyzer to do it. An Spl meter would do(a high quality one). Radio Shack SPL meter cannot be used unless you apply some weighting to the results of the meter at each frequency.

Amplifiers loves to be band limited and they give much more power as well as damping when band limited. It is very hard to adjust by ear. You have to have the instrumentations do it first and then fine tune by ear.

I think the purpose of having two sets of speaker inputs with most speakers is to biwire them. Since the output comes from 1 channel of the Amp with 2 wires going to the speakers, you essentially drop the impedance by half thereby increasing the amplifier's output (better amps like the rb985). This is easier than bi-amping because you will not adjust the balance between the LF and HF. You can biamp a speaker with ease if the output comes from the same amp model with the same attenuation level.

At the end of the day, it is still you satisfaction that is paramount, but if you want to optimize your setup to the last drop, there are some procedures that can be implimented.

Whoa, I am speechless sir!  :) Thanks for your recommendations, I will try to find a way for the procedures you mentioned.

I can try to utilize the 2 unused surround channels of the Rotel and connect them to the fronts again. The last time I did this was with the M34 and not the current speakers. Who knows, it might sound better. But for now, I am happy with the sound of the current config.  :)

Sir Matz question na lang po.

Malaki ba difference ng m52 sa m34? Kasi napansin ko parang isang woofer lang yung m52, eh yung m34 2 woofers. Nagimprove po ba ng husto maski isang woofer lang?

Malaki difference? Sa porma OO  ;D.



Seriously, mas refined ang M52. Bass is tight, clarity and details are a bit better than the M34. Ok na ok na sya for my room size, kahit one woofer lang. Sa M34 na 2 woofer, minsan boomy sa small room ko. Mas ok din na mas mababa ang M52 dahil di na sya nakaharang sa PJ screen, unlike dati sa M34 (ang taas kasi) nakaharang ng konti pag sa dulo ka ng sofa nakaupo (a few inches lang).

Plus, maganda yung center speaker ng M5, ang linaaaaw!

Pero wala ako masabi sa M34, value for money na, ganda pa tumunog. Hindi sobrang layo ng sonic difference ng M3 and M5 series. But for overall, kasama pogi point factor, sa M5 ako!!  8)

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Re: iMAtZ THEATER (updated) w/ triple BI-AMP setup
« Reply #538 on: Jun 30, 2006 at 07:34 AM »
after reading so much about the last few posts here...I thought I knew much na....the education continues.... ;D ;D

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Re: iMAtZ THEATER (updated) w/ triple BI-AMP setup
« Reply #539 on: Jul 07, 2006 at 06:38 PM »
Managed to finally have a chance to enjoy Matzter's baby last night, and totoo nga ang mga balita! :)

the set-up's very clean aesthetically (can't really compare a projector and lcd/plasma displays if you're going for the "theater" experience, parang nanliit yung mga 42" plasmas), and buong-buo yung tunog.

i'm no expert, but what mat has now, i'd already be very happy with. i guess the room acoustics also played a big part. i've grown accustomed to wide open spaces, and with mat's place, the enclosed area really delivered on ensuring audio quality and the look and feel of what a real viewing/listening experience should be. not to mention the running commentary on every aspect of the system and the room - you can really tell he spent a lot of time on it!

haaay. parang ang sarap tuloy magkaron ng sariling bahay/apt, just to renovate for an HT room.

don't worry mat, ikaw una kong tatawagan when i've knocked some walls down :)

tama na, parang friendster testimonial na to....

hmm, that might be a good idea, gawan mo ng friendster account ang iMatZ Theater, dun na lang kami magte-testimonial... hehehe :D
Audio: Cayin MT-45 mkii|B&W 602s2|Gramovox TT
HT: Denon X4200W|B&W 683s2, HTM Matrix, 601s2, GE 525