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Digital Amplifier
« on: Jan 19, 2005 at 03:53 PM »
Good Day!

   pls share your ideas or what have you studied about this new technology?? ::)

Digital in-> digital amplification-> digital out-> speaker, is this correct? no DAC??

  input plss. :)


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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #1 on: Jan 19, 2005 at 04:53 PM »
There is absolutely no way for speakers to be driven digitally.  A speaker is an analog electro-mechanical device that expects an alternating current signal within its range to operate.  Digital Os and 1s are on-off states in bitstreams that a speaker will never understand and will, in fact, be seen as square waves that, at sufficient current, will destroy speakers. 

Hence, those digital amplifers may have no DACs along the audio path, preserving everything in the digital domain up to the very last end, but it has to synthesize or recover the analog waveforms from the digital square waves right at the amp output (these are essentially high gain high power DACs).  So that speakers can understand and convert them to the proper accoustic energies. 

Pure Digital amplifiers are almost revolutionary in their application, preserving what audiophiles hold dear in linear amps while achieving 90% power effiiciencies.  They are said to be the wave of the future, putting class A and Class A/B amps on the same road that dinosaurs went through.   ;D  I am still learning about this new technology. 

In addition to the Tripath class T amps mentioned in another thread, you may want to check this site:
http://www.spectronav.com/tech1.htm

« Last Edit: Jan 20, 2005 at 09:55 AM by av_phile1 »

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #2 on: Jan 20, 2005 at 09:15 AM »
av never ceases to amaze me. =)

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #3 on: Jan 20, 2005 at 09:37 AM »
Tripath class t nalang. masyadong mahal yan.

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #4 on: Jan 20, 2005 at 12:44 PM »

ahh, so may DAC pa rin pala sa output.

so we'll getting a light set up here in the future.

100 watt (rms) avr na sing nipis ng dvd player :D
and less the heat pa. ganun ba yun ???

mabasa nga yung link..
 

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #5 on: Jan 20, 2005 at 01:13 PM »
Chito,
        Tripath Class T! I've read that, pero more research pa di ko pa rin maintindihan eh. Eto yung link na binabasa ko.

 http://www.tripath.com/
               

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #6 on: Jan 20, 2005 at 01:47 PM »
here's a link of the amplifier

http://www.si-5.com/frontEnd/cm_productDetail.jsp?productID=18

and here's the link to the review

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/sonicimpact/t.html

hope it's true.



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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #7 on: Feb 07, 2005 at 06:09 PM »
meron bang bibili nitong sonic impact? gusto ko ring itry. kung meron man pasabay.....

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #8 on: Feb 08, 2005 at 01:08 PM »
I auditioned the amp. Kami ng officemate ko. We listened on all 3 Fostex variants. Getting familiar? Hulaan niyo hehe.

Let me just say napikon ako having just recently restored my Fisher tube amp. Bagong pinta pa man din ang case. Hehehe. I can't wait to listen to this amp on my own gear. Medyo may missing sa demo setup eh. But that was quickly pointed out by our gracious host.

Sadly the amp is on backorder in the US. Rumour has it that the major tube players bought all stocks and burned them hehehe.

But look around and you will see many products using this chip. Ahhh...the Bel Canto. Even some car audio equipment have them (Panasonic, Alpine, Blaupunkt). But unlike the Sonic Impact na mukhang kahit sa banketa sale eh di papansinin, the branded ones cost an arm and a leg, sama mo na pati le-eg.

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #9 on: Feb 08, 2005 at 02:39 PM »
Check the link below, DIY , maybe cheaper.

http://diyparadise.com/tripath.html

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #10 on: Feb 08, 2005 at 02:57 PM »
Interesting development.  So there are T-class chips that can go up to 60w without the linear behaviour of THDs in the low power chips.  And there are chips giving out 300w as used in Bel Canto.  That just might tickle me to resurrect a DIY urge.  Now if only I have the cash and know where to buy (preferrably not online) the kit, and a 1.2KVA torroidal tranny   And find the time.   Hmm...let me see if my 25+ year old soldering iron still works. ;D

For those doing the kit, do tell us about it.
« Last Edit: Feb 08, 2005 at 02:58 PM by av_phile1 »

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #11 on: Feb 09, 2005 at 10:33 PM »
Sir Gino...this one's for you :)

T-amp



With eBONi - perfect match  :)


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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #12 on: Feb 10, 2005 at 09:47 AM »
Sir Handyman,

Pag nakuha ko t-amp ko pwede ko ba pa modify sayo?

Thanks.

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #13 on: Feb 10, 2005 at 10:05 AM »
Wow, now it looks as great as it sounds. Thanks Handyman. You made my day. And soon, you'll make my t-amp.

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #14 on: Feb 10, 2005 at 12:19 PM »
Sir Handyman,

Pag nakuha ko t-amp ko pwede ko ba pa modify sayo?

Thanks.


Wow, now it looks as great as it sounds. Thanks Handyman. You made my day. And soon, you'll make my t-amp.

Sir Chito C, Gino

Sure, pero unahin ko muna yung sa akin. Kinuha na kagabi ng may-ari yung amp.  ;D ;D ;D

For the mean time habang prepareho tayong naghihintaysa amp..bili na kayo ng gusto nyong spkr binding post, rca input jack, internal wiring (#21 Audience cable ang ginamit ko), your choice of LED color, aluminum chassis. .. ;D 

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #15 on: Feb 11, 2005 at 02:03 AM »
where did you guys order your sonic impact amp? bka pwedeng makihitch  :)

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #16 on: Feb 11, 2005 at 06:22 AM »
where did you guys order your sonic impact amp? bka pwedeng makihitch  :)


Try Maitani of ws.

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #17 on: Feb 11, 2005 at 10:08 AM »
wasn't able to ask the price from maitani. how mush ba? My sister's going to the states next week and be back by April. Sana may stock na by that time. Sir handyman, I don't know anything about electronis so maybe later when i get it just suggest to me nalang the things i have to buy for the modification. thanks.

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #18 on: Feb 11, 2005 at 03:28 PM »
Sir Gino...this one's for you :)

T-amp



Sir Handyman, i've read about good reviews abot this T-Amp & heard a comment from Andy i'm sure it's better & cheaper than Gainclone amps. How much you can sell it with my own design chassis? Thanks & more power!

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #19 on: Feb 11, 2005 at 04:26 PM »
Handyman, nananaginip pa lang. Di pa nagconfirm si Maitani.

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #20 on: Feb 11, 2005 at 07:26 PM »
there a lot of discussions already for mods for the sonic impact amp since its been around for a while. the tripath modules look interesting as well, but as always di ganong kadali makakuha.

Here is a forum thread that you might want to check out:
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/viewtopic.php?t=16621
« Last Edit: Feb 11, 2005 at 07:31 PM by john5479 »

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #21 on: Mar 13, 2005 at 09:34 PM »
T-amp in beech wood, acrylic and audience cable. powered by 12v sla batt.



« Last Edit: Mar 14, 2005 at 08:40 AM by Handyman »

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #22 on: Mar 13, 2005 at 09:47 PM »
what gauge was the audience  wire used ? just waiting for my sonic impact for some tweaking  >:D
« Last Edit: Mar 13, 2005 at 09:56 PM by john5479 »

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #23 on: Mar 14, 2005 at 08:39 AM »
what gauge was the audience  wire used ? just waiting for my sonic impact for some tweaking  >:D

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #24 on: Mar 18, 2005 at 05:43 PM »
Baka naman may puwedeng magpa audition ng Sonic impact diyan. Curious kasi ako. I cancelled my order online coz it won't make it on time before my departure. So audition muna ako, and at the same time get some more infos about it.  :)
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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #25 on: Mar 22, 2005 at 06:40 AM »
Barrid,

you can audition mine this holy week. pm mo lang ako if you are interested. makati area ako. ;)

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #26 on: Mar 22, 2005 at 08:29 AM »
Barrid,

for the price, you can't go wrong with t-amp. You can not easily believe that this amp will sound GREAT!

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #27 on: Apr 02, 2005 at 09:15 AM »
Sir Handyman,

I'm expecting to receive 2 SI's this month pwede po ba pa modify sayo? PM me nalang.

Thanks.

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #28 on: Jul 17, 2005 at 10:58 PM »
I have a pair of flying mole digital amp monoblocks....combined with a tube linestage the combo kicks ass!!! >:D

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Re: Digital Amplifier
« Reply #29 on: Jul 18, 2005 at 10:00 AM »
Barrid,

for the price, you can't go wrong with t-amp. You can not easily believe that this amp will sound GREAT!

I agree with you, but I think it should be qualified properly. There have been people who plunged into this direction without checking the details of reviews posted by hard core audiophiles. The report is disappointing. This has something to do with the use of some new-generation low-sensitivity quality speakers.

If you read reviews posted by internet magazines like 6moons, note the type of speakers they are using.

My impression is that it is nearby the tubey characteristics - not really equal. BUT the price is so distant apart which makes the T-amp a heavyweight for consideration purposes against the tube. Do remember, good tube amp is very selective to high sensitivity speakers - so the level comparison field is in to this type of speaker as well IMO.
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