Author Topic: Pioneer Receivers (Read 283117 times)

toys4geeks · « **Reply #480 on:** Oct 26, 2011 at 02:22 AM »

Oot, a friend has an incoming 1021, but has a change of heart and went for a different brand
Arrives early december so pm if interested . Kano ba yan locally?

markcrenz · « **Reply #481 on:** Oct 26, 2011 at 09:26 AM »

Quote from: toys4geeks on Oct 26, 2011 at 02:22 AM

Oot, a friend has an incoming 1021, but has a change of heart and went for a different brand
Arrives early december so pm if interested . Kano ba yan locally?

around 40k pa

toys4geeks · « **Reply #482 on:** Oct 26, 2011 at 09:28 AM »

Quote from: markcrenz on Oct 26, 2011 at 09:26 AM

around 40k pa

taas pa pala, he's eyeing 34k pero from US ito so 110V

warmaster · « **Reply #483 on:** Nov 05, 2011 at 01:47 AM »

i'm planning to upgrade from a 520 to a 1020 by jan or feb next year. is it great for music or should i just opt for a separate amp dedicated for music? i'm looking to streamline my setup as i'm saving up on space. i tried two speaker systems but the whole thing is just so crowded and right now i'm getting tired of switching from t-amp to avr

TOP 20 · « **Reply #484 on:** Nov 05, 2011 at 02:19 AM »

Quote from: warmaster on Nov 05, 2011 at 01:47 AM

i'm planning to upgrade from a 520 to a 1020 by jan or feb next year. is it great for music or should i just opt for a separate amp dedicated for music? i'm looking to streamline my setup as i'm saving up on space. i tried two speaker systems but the whole thing is just so crowded and right now i'm getting tired of switching from t-amp to avr

Bro warmaster, maybe markcrenz's amp switcher will be a big help. All you need to do is choose from one source to another (AVR or T-amp).

cray · « **Reply #485 on:** Nov 05, 2011 at 02:23 AM »

can vsx 520 handle rti A3 or MA RX2 kahit na in low to moderate volume? halfgrade mode ako this december ayaw ko naman na kumuha ulet ng entry level na AVR and entry level na speaker ( mas magastos pala pag ganun ) .. prefer ko sana mag sagad upgrade sa speaker muna, den tsaga muna sa vsx 520 in moderate volume lang.. para pag nag ka funds eh upgrade na at least kahit midrange na avr.

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #486 on:** Nov 05, 2011 at 11:18 AM »

Quote from: TOP 20 on Nov 05, 2011 at 02:19 AM

Bro warmaster, maybe markcrenz's amp switcher will be a big help. All you need to do is choose from one source to another (AVR or T-amp).

My king markcrenz automatic swtcher does not have a switch na. Naka-default sa HT. But when i switch on my stereo, automatic sa stereo kukuha ng source.

dandyqb · « **Reply #487 on:** Nov 05, 2011 at 09:42 PM »

mga sirs

im eyeing for my first AVR of this generation

, but im on a very tight budget, maybe i can stretch my budget to a max of P14k, the important thing to me is it should be at least 5.1, with HDMI as i will connect my laptop/PC as a movie/music player most of the time, for the meantime i will use my 8 ohms 62w satellite speakers and my active sub. any model na pwede nyo po mai-recommend and kung saan murang mabibili ito, thanks so much...

Stagea · « **Reply #488 on:** Nov 06, 2011 at 06:58 AM »

Quote from: dandyqb on Nov 05, 2011 at 09:42 PM

mga sirs

im eyeing for my first AVR of this generation , but im on a very tight budget, maybe i can stretch my budget to a max of P14k, the important thing to me is it should be at least 5.1, with HDMI as i will connect my laptop/PC as a movie/music player most of the time, for the meantime i will use my 8 ohms 62w satellite speakers and my active sub. any model na pwede nyo po mai-recommend and kung saan murang mabibili ito, thanks so much...

If you're buying brand new local units, the Pioneer VSX-520-K and VSX-521-K seem to be your only common options. The 520 currently sells for 10-12k, while the 521 sells for less than 15k.

Another option is to look for mildly used AVRs in the marketplace.

lncc63 · « **Reply #489 on:** Nov 06, 2011 at 09:41 AM »

Not really familiar with this model but it seems like a good deal: VSX-LX52 P23k

dandyqb · « **Reply #490 on:** Nov 06, 2011 at 11:43 AM »

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If you're buying brand new local units, the Pioneer VSX-520-K and VSX-521-K seem to be your only common options. The 520 currently sells for 10-12k, while the 521 sells for less than 15k.

Another option is to look for mildly used AVRs in the marketplace.

salamat po sir, ano po difference ng 521 sa 520?

dandyqb · « **Reply #491 on:** Nov 06, 2011 at 01:43 PM »

planning of getting the 521, san po kaya may pinakamura, pa help naman po kasi galing pa ako bicol para lam ko na san ako dederetso, salamat po sa mga makakatulong...

Stagea · « **Reply #492 on:** Nov 06, 2011 at 02:04 PM »

Quote from: dandyqb on Nov 06, 2011 at 11:43 AM

salamat po sir, ano po difference ng 521 sa 520?

521 is newer and includes the MCACC feature.

warmaster · « **Reply #493 on:** Nov 06, 2011 at 09:14 PM »

Quote from: lncc63 on Nov 06, 2011 at 09:41 AM

Not really familiar with this model but it seems like a good deal: VSX-LX52 P23k

very good deal nga yan. sayang at wala pang funds

Stagea · « **Reply #494 on:** Nov 07, 2011 at 06:28 AM »

Quote from: cray on Nov 05, 2011 at 02:23 AM

can vsx 520 handle rti A3 or MA RX2 kahit na in low to moderate volume? halfgrade mode ako this december ayaw ko naman na kumuha ulet ng entry level na AVR and entry level na speaker ( mas magastos pala pag ganun ) .. prefer ko sana mag sagad upgrade sa speaker muna, den tsaga muna sa vsx 520 in moderate volume lang.. para pag nag ka funds eh upgrade na at least kahit midrange na avr.

It would drive those speakers just fine, as long as you don't demand reference levels of volume (and you don't have a very big room). Both are fairly easy to power.

dreidrei · « **Reply #495 on:** Nov 07, 2011 at 07:19 AM »

sir may question lang po sa fellow pio receiver users..just bought a pio 520k then i connected a ps3 to it using hdmi cable and tried playing a blu ray movie na may Dolby true HD audio. pero di umiilaw yung true hd indicator nya. may bearing po ba yun dahil naka 2.1 set up lang ako front and sub lang? or may mali sa connection ko or ang ps3 ay di lang nakakapag output ng true HD? pls help thanks so much.

jnazareta · « **Reply #496 on:** Nov 08, 2011 at 03:30 AM »

Quote from: dreidrei on Nov 07, 2011 at 07:19 AM

sir may question lang po sa fellow pio receiver users..just bought a pio 520k then i connected a ps3 to it using hdmi cable and tried playing a blu ray movie na may Dolby true HD audio. pero di umiilaw yung true hd indicator nya. may bearing po ba yun dahil naka 2.1 set up lang ako front and sub lang? or may mali sa connection ko or ang ps3 ay di lang nakakapag output ng true HD? pls help thanks so much.

@Dreidrei set your PS3 to bitstream so that the audio will be decoded by PIO reciever and not by your PS3. HTH..!!!

dandyqb · « **Reply #497 on:** Nov 08, 2011 at 04:56 AM »

now proud owner of the new vsx521k

cray · « **Reply #498 on:** Nov 09, 2011 at 01:51 PM »

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It would drive those speakers just fine, as long as you don't demand reference levels of volume (and you don't have a very big room). Both are fairly easy to power.

thanks sir stagea i thought kasi hindi kaya kahit sa moderate volume...sir question po sana ulet.. kasi i want to upgrade din my receiver to 1020 kaso pag check ko yung comparison regarding power per channel eh pareho pareho lang sila ng output 520, 920 and 1020... nagkakaiba lng sila sa features like 5.1 to 7.1 pero pag sa power eh same lng sila tatlo, so sir kahit naka 1020 ako hirap pa den sya i drive yung RX2? tama po ba?

Stagea · « **Reply #499 on:** Nov 09, 2011 at 02:47 PM »

Quote from: cray on Nov 09, 2011 at 01:51 PM

thanks sir stagea i thought kasi hindi kaya kahit sa moderate volume...sir question po sana ulet.. kasi i want to upgrade din my receiver to 1020 kaso pag check ko yung comparison regarding power per channel eh pareho pareho lang sila ng output 520, 920 and 1020... nagkakaiba lng sila sa features like 5.1 to 7.1 pero pag sa power eh same lng sila tatlo, so sir kahit naka 1020 ako hirap pa den sya i drive yung RX2? tama po ba?

Power is not everything.

Suggestion: Buy the speakers that you want, then see if your 520 can run them at your desired volume. If it could, then the 1020 can drive them too. The 1020 would likely sound better than the 520 because of its more advanced processing capability.

If you find out that you are in need of increased amp capacity, then you'd have to go for a higher end AVR (or add a power amp to the equation).

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #500 on:** Nov 09, 2011 at 08:52 PM »

Di ata capable ng external amp ang mga vsx line.

lncc63 · « **Reply #501 on:** Nov 09, 2011 at 09:13 PM »

Why not bring your 520 to AVSHOP and audition the A3s there? I used to have a 1019, not that big a difference with your 520, and it work very well, in retrospect, with the A3.

joko11 · « **Reply #502 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 03:21 AM »

maybe what master stagea refering to is add power amp to support avr output power..
i maybe wrong.
so if thats the case,you should put power amp per channel or minimum of two for L and R main speakers.correct me if im wrong

Stagea · « **Reply #503 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 04:09 AM »

Quote from: Nelson de Leon on Nov 09, 2011 at 08:52 PM

Di ata capable ng external amp ang mga vsx line.

I was not referring to the VSX line po. What I meant is that if he finds out that he needs more power, then he'd need to change his plans. Either go with a higher-end AVR (like the elite series), or a pre-pro (or AVR w/ preouts) with a power amp.

Quote from: joko11 on Nov 10, 2011 at 03:21 AM

so if thats the case,you should put power amp per channel or minimum of two for L and R main speakers.correct me if im wrong

That's not exactly what I meant, but he can go that route if the 520's capacity isn't enough for his needs. A different AVR or a pre-pro + power amp may fill his needs.

joko11 · « **Reply #504 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 04:20 AM »

what confuses me is the 80wpc of elite vs 120wpc for vsx.can someone shed some light on this matter for me

Stagea · « **Reply #505 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 08:58 AM »

Quote from: joko11 on Nov 10, 2011 at 04:20 AM

what confuses me is the 80wpc of elite vs 120wpc for vsx.can someone shed some light on this matter for me

Most Elite models (especially the higher-end ones) deliver the rated power with all channels driven.

Cheaper AVRs generally don't (and many cheaper power amps could not, as well). It may shock you that many mainstream AVRs only output less than a third of their published ratings with all channels driven (because their ratings are based on channel performance, with only one or two channels driven).

The Elite SC-09TX for example is rated at 140w per channel with all channels driven, but it can actually deliver a very clean 200wpc with 7 channels driven into 8 ohms. The VSX-1120 that's rated at 120w per channel (two channels driven) may not even reach 40w per channel with 7 channels driven into 8 ohms at low distortion levels. The popular Onkyo TX-SR608 pushes even less at about 30w per channel in this configuration, as measured by a popular publication.

The SC-09TX can sustain 530wpc or so into 2 channels at lower impedances. That's more than what many power amps can deliver.

cray · « **Reply #506 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 03:06 PM »

ahh thanks for the explanation sir stagea... mas na intindihan ko na..

@ sir nelson

kahit po ba vsx 1020 walang pre amp?

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #507 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 03:15 PM »

Quote from: cray on Nov 10, 2011 at 03:06 PM

ahh thanks for the explanation sir stagea... mas na intindihan ko na..

@ sir nelson

kahit po ba vsx 1020 walang pre amp?

Wala eh. 5.1 line in preamp meron. Output wala.

cray · « **Reply #508 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 03:18 PM »

anu meaning nung merun line in pero po sa output wala? medyu newbie pa sir eh

Stagea · « **Reply #509 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 03:25 PM »

Quote from: Nelson de Leon on Nov 10, 2011 at 03:15 PM

Wala eh. 5.1 line in preamp meron. Output wala.

I think it's because Pioneer does not sell HT application (multi-channel) power amps, unlike Denon, Onkyo, Marantz, etc. who sell AV separates for the upper end market (Pioneer stopped making these quite sometime ago). Pioneer's solution for this segment is to integrate excellent amp sections in their upper tier AVRs (the Class-D Elites are indeed very very strong). Ironically, most of the Elite series models are equipped with pre-outs, just in case you need even more power.