Author Topic: Pioneer Receivers (Read 283135 times)

ninjababez® · « **Reply #510 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 07:36 PM »

Quote from: Stagea on Nov 10, 2011 at 03:25 PM

I think it's because Pioneer does not sell HT application (multi-channel) power amps, unlike Denon, Onkyo, Marantz, etc. who sell AV separates for the upper end market (Pioneer stopped making these quite sometime ago). Pioneer's solution for this segment is to integrate excellent amp sections in their upper tier AVRs (the Class-D Elites are indeed very very strong). Ironically, most of the Elite series models are equipped with pre-outs, just in case you need even more power.

same goes with other brands naman

katuwa na dapat nga sa lower, lower mid nila ilagay ito

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #511 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 07:48 PM »

Quote from: cray on Nov 10, 2011 at 03:18 PM

anu meaning nung merun line in pero po sa output wala? medyu newbie pa sir eh

May 5.1 preamp input. pero walang 5.1 preamp output.

joko11 · « **Reply #512 on:** Nov 10, 2011 at 09:14 PM »

Quote from: Stagea on Nov 10, 2011 at 08:58 AM

Most Elite models (especially the higher-end ones) deliver the rated power with all channels driven.

Cheaper AVRs generally don't (and many cheaper power amps could not, as well). It may shock you that many mainstream AVRs only output less than a third of their published ratings with all channels driven (because their ratings are based on channel performance, with only one or two channels driven).

The Elite SC-09TX for example is rated at 140w per channel with all channels driven, but it can actually deliver a very clean 200wpc with 7 channels driven into 8 ohms. The VSX-1120 that's rated at 120w per channel (two channels driven) may not even reach 40w per channel with 7 channels driven into 8 ohms at low distortion levels. The popular Onkyo TX-SR608 pushes even less at about 30w per channel in this configuration, as measured by a popular publication.

The SC-09TX can sustain 530wpc or so into 2 channels at lower impedances. That's more than what many power amps can deliver.

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salamat master!very imformative post!
thanks!thanks!

Courage · « **Reply #513 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 05:19 AM »

Eto target ko for december next year

Pioneer Elite SC-57 A/V Receiver

lncc63 · « **Reply #514 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 06:19 AM »

Is this better than your new Yamaha? Curious.

I bought an Elite VSX-41 in the marketplace with the idea of biamping the fronts for my audio-only setup. It would have been interesting expect that the VSX-41 doesn't have such a feature.

Stagea · « **Reply #515 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 07:52 AM »

Quote from: lncc63 on Nov 11, 2011 at 06:19 AM

Is this better than your new Yamaha? Curious.

Very likely so, at least from the amplification end. The upper end Elites have very strong amp sections. The SC-57 may not be as strong as the SC-09TX, but its realistic output is comparable to power amps like the Emotiva XPA-5.

Quote from: lncc63 on Nov 11, 2011 at 06:19 AM

I bought an Elite VSX-41 in the marketplace with the idea of biamping the fronts for my audio-only setup. It would have been interesting expect that the VSX-41 doesn't have such a feature.

The VSX-41 can surely do that using the multichannel inputs (you can even triamp with it). Though you'd need an active crossover if you'd like to go for an active scheme (passive biamping/triamping is doable as-is).

nogie · « **Reply #516 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 10:54 AM »

Quote from: Courage on Nov 11, 2011 at 05:19 AM

Eto target ko for december next year

Pioneer Elite SC-57 A/V Receiver

Nice! Reserve mo na sa akin yong Aventage mo bro.

dandyqb · « **Reply #517 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 11:07 AM »

ganda! sana next year sa upgrade ko kahit entry level sa elite series

chrisbulog · « **Reply #518 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 11:12 AM »

Mga Sir's

What FS or BS fronts would be a good pair to my 520k?

Planning to upgrade my Konzert FS

Master A recommended his Charisma 6 FS.

Any suggestions po?

Thanks

nogie · « **Reply #519 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 11:15 AM »

Quote from: dandyqb on Nov 11, 2011 at 11:07 AM

ganda! sana next year sa upgrade ko kahit entry level sa elite series

Sir, USD249 lang ang entry level ng Elite series. The models are vsx-30 or 31 rated at 80wpc.

lncc63 · « **Reply #520 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 11:24 AM »

Quote from: Stagea on Nov 11, 2011 at 07:52 AM

The VSX-41 can surely do that using the multichannel inputs (you can even triamp with it). Though you'd need an active crossover if you'd like to go for an active scheme (passive biamping/triamping is doable as-is).

I like what I'm hearing Bro but you lost me on the second sentence. As is, just wiring it to the speakers and source, can it bi-amp it? By "active crossover" does this mean digital filtering inside the the AVR? Haven't really read the manual, just did some searches for "biamp" in the manual then closed it not having found it.

dandyqb · « **Reply #521 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 12:01 PM »

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Sir, USD249 lang ang entry level ng Elite series. The models are vsx-30 or 31 rated at 80wpc.

halos kapresyo lang ng 521k ko

dandyqb · « **Reply #522 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 12:03 PM »

Quote

What FS or BS fronts would be a good pair to my 520k?

ako sir ito lang inorder ko kay ivan, pero maganda feedback ng speakers na to,mura pa...

lncc63 · « **Reply #523 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 12:30 PM »

Ok. I downloaded the manual and found a "6-channel stereo" mode wherein 2-channel material is played on a 3 pairs (front, surround, and surround back). Didn't find how to set the filtering parameters but is using the purely passive filtering of the speakers a terribly bad idea?

chrisbulog · « **Reply #524 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 12:30 PM »

Quote from: dandyqb on Nov 11, 2011 at 12:03 PM

ako sir ito lang inorder ko kay ivan, pero maganda feedback ng speakers na to,mura pa...

What speakers po ito Sir?

EVO X · « **Reply #525 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 12:51 PM »

brader chris ok dn yung charisma 6 jan sa 520k mo. yun ang gamit ko sa 920k eh smooth yung tunog nya

chrisbulog · « **Reply #526 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 01:30 PM »

Quote from: grinj on Nov 11, 2011 at 12:51 PM

brader chris ok dn yung charisma 6 jan sa 520k mo. yun ang gamit ko sa 920k eh smooth yung tunog nya

Thanks Sir.

dandyqb · « **Reply #527 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 01:37 PM »

sorry sir di ko pala nailagay

heto po

Dayton Audio B652 Speakers

Bookshelf style

Courage · « **Reply #528 on:** Nov 11, 2011 at 10:05 PM »

Quote from: nogie on Nov 11, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Nice! Reserve mo na sa akin yong Aventage mo bro.

He he he.. sure brader he he he....

jnazareta · « **Reply #529 on:** Nov 12, 2011 at 02:56 AM »

Hi Fellow PinoyDvdiers, Just want to inquire what is the difference between the PIO 1020 and the new PIO 1021K. I'm being tempt to get the 1020 that is being sold here. I currently have the PIO 520K and wasn't able to use it for 6 months coz I'm out of the country and just got back yesterday. will there be a significant change coz both say the same with the wattage per channel. hope you can shed some lights regarding this.. thanks in advance..

Stagea · « **Reply #530 on:** Nov 12, 2011 at 10:50 AM »

Quote from: jnazareta on Nov 12, 2011 at 02:56 AM

Hi Fellow PinoyDvdiers, Just want to inquire what is the difference between the PIO 1020 and the new PIO 1021K. I'm being tempt to get the 1020 that is being sold here. I currently have the PIO 520K and wasn't able to use it for 6 months coz I'm out of the country and just got back yesterday. will there be a significant change coz both say the same with the wattage per channel. hope you can shed some lights regarding this.. thanks in advance..

Aside from the usual feature variations, the 2011 models are supposed to have more robust power supplies. This should make them more capable of handling high current demands. I'm not sure how they did it without significantly increasing the weight, however.

mdelro · « **Reply #531 on:** Nov 12, 2011 at 01:03 PM »

Hi guys, just want to get some feedbacks with the Pioneer 1021-k. Looked it up sa internet, it has good reviews. Choosing between the Onkyo 609 and Pioneer 1021k, what do you think is a better match with polk rti a5? Thanks!

Stagea · « **Reply #532 on:** Nov 12, 2011 at 04:27 PM »

Quote from: mdelro on Nov 12, 2011 at 01:03 PM

Hi guys, just want to get some feedbacks with the Pioneer 1021-k. Looked it up sa internet, it has good reviews. Choosing between the Onkyo 609 and Pioneer 1021k, what do you think is a better match with polk rti a5? Thanks!

The VSX-1021-K has a broad feature set and includes better audio processing, while the TX-NR609 seems to have a beefier amp section (and maybe does video processing a tiny bit better).

Aside from the fanfare of different input options: If you want a correct sound presentation without doing a manual calibration, the Pioneer would likely be a good choice for you (Advanced MCACC could remedy most anomalies automatically). The Onkyo might need more manual work to get the sound right (Audyssey 2EQ is pretty dumbed-down), but could be quite satisfying once set properly.

Pioneer and Onkyo also have different house sounds, and you may prefer one to the other.

Stagea · « **Reply #533 on:** Nov 12, 2011 at 04:34 PM »

Quote from: lncc63 on Nov 11, 2011 at 11:24 AM

I like what I'm hearing Bro but you lost me on the second sentence. As is, just wiring it to the speakers and source, can it bi-amp it? By "active crossover" does this mean digital filtering inside the the AVR? Haven't really read the manual, just did some searches for "biamp" in the manual then closed it not having found it.

An active crossover is something used for doing the filtering actively -- often in the line level (instead of relying on a speaker's passive crossover).

If you just plan on doing a passive biamp on 2 speakers, use 4 of the receiver's channels and feed all 4 through the multi-channel line inputs.

lncc63 · « **Reply #534 on:** Nov 12, 2011 at 04:53 PM »

Quote from: Stagea on Nov 12, 2011 at 04:34 PM

An active crossover is something used for doing the filtering actively -- often in the line level (instead of relying on a speaker's passive crossover).

If you just plan on doing a passive biamp on 2 speakers, use 4 of the receiver's channels and feed all 4 through the multi-channel line inputs.

Guess you did not see my post after ..

Ok. I downloaded the manual and found a "6-channel stereo" mode wherein 2-channel material is played on a 3 pairs (front, surround, and surround back). Didn't find how to set the filtering parameters but is using the purely passive filtering of the speakers a terribly bad idea?

Good thing is the AVR's preamp can be used.

Stagea · « **Reply #535 on:** Nov 12, 2011 at 05:46 PM »

Quote from: lncc63 on Nov 12, 2011 at 04:53 PM

Guess you did not see my post after ..

Ok. I downloaded the manual and found a "6-channel stereo" mode wherein 2-channel material is played on a 3 pairs (front, surround, and surround back). Didn't find how to set the filtering parameters but is using the purely passive filtering of the speakers a terribly bad idea?

Good thing is the AVR's preamp can be used.

I wouldn't think that this AVR would allow you to do the filtering internally for typical speaker crossover points. Passive biamping isn't bad, many people (especially those in the pro audio world) just don't consider it legitimate biamping since you miss many of the major benefits of active biamping (each channel still amplifies the full bandwidth, and you still get insertion loss and performance variability from the passive components). The fact that all the channels share the same power supply further reduces the advantage of the arrangement (since you don't gain extra current capacity for the most part), leaving the main advantage to having some isolation between the pair of channels feeding each side (and possibly having separate gain controls for LF and HF).

lncc63 · « **Reply #536 on:** Nov 12, 2011 at 05:49 PM »

Do AVRs with a "biamp" setting do active filtering? I don't seem to remember my manuals saying which channels should be connected to which sections of the speakers.

Stagea · « **Reply #537 on:** Nov 12, 2011 at 06:00 PM »

Quote from: lncc63 on Nov 12, 2011 at 05:49 PM

Do AVRs with a "biamp" setting do active filtering? I don't seem to remember my manuals saying which channels should be connected to which sections of the speakers.

The ones I know do not. They just set the receiver up for passive biamping (some just use a separate HPF setting for the HF channels).

jojo_uy · « **Reply #538 on:** Nov 14, 2011 at 01:21 AM »

mga bossing pede ba mag lagay nang 2 bass ampli sa 520k ? d kaya masira or sumabog

dandyqb · « **Reply #539 on:** Nov 19, 2011 at 06:10 PM »

mga sirs, normal ba sa pioneer avr na uminit masyado? yung 521 ko kasi nakikinig lang ako ng music, stereo lang (2 speakers) around 55-60 yung volume pero tindi ng init halos di ko maipatong kamay ko sa ibabaw ng ilang seconds di ko kinakaya yung init...