Topic: ONKYO AVR

[john5479]

Mahina buying power dito sa pinas e, not everyone can afford to upgrade their gears in a snap of a finger.

[JAQY888]

Onkyo has to do something about its "VERY SLOW" distribution. If they'll prioritize disposing old units, then it will be a shame  if other brands catches up.

Just imagine if - Yamaha, Denon, Harman Kardon, releases models with the same specs as Onkyo. Who do you think the customers would prefer. Sayang naman pinaghirapan nila. Being ahead in all but in the end, being behind on sales. 

Hope that the Onkyo distributor realizes this ...
Some owners of A/V shops are  complaining that they cannot even get particular AVR models that their customers need .... sayang nga at nawalan ng sale  :'(

[Waxx]

Sir, uh, do you mean square meters? 30 sq ft (about 5x6ft) sounds like a storage area.

my bad..teka lets just peg it at 30sqm,... around 100 sq ft..

[MAtZTER]

my bad..teka lets just peg it at 30sqm,... around 100 sq ft..

Sir, 30 sqm (lets say around 5 by 6 mtrs)  may be too big a room for the 605.

Wait a sec. 100 sq ft is only 9.3 sqm.

Here is the conversion:

1 sq ft = 0.093 sqm.
1 sqm = 10.75 sq ft

HTHs 
 

Hope that the Onkyo distributor realizes this ...
Some owners of A/V shops are  complaining that they cannot even get particular AVR models that their customers need .... sayang nga at nawalan ng sale  :'(

Guess what? Local distro's shipment arrived yesterday. It comprised of 2 (yes TWO) Onkyo 875 and a few 705's, & only 3 were allotted to SGT. Their reservation list was over 10.

My reserved black 875 didnt push through, sigh. 875 must be in such a demand they were only given 2 by their source!

Haay, whats with our local distro? 

[streetsmart]

Here is the conversion:

1 sq ft = 0.093 sqm.
1 sqm = 10.75 ft

1 sqm = 10.75 square feet 

Sorry. Couldn't resist. 

[leomar]

My reserved black 875 didnt push through, sigh. 875 must be in such a demand they were only given 2 by their source!

Bakasyon ka na lang muna sa Singapore over the weekend 
malay mo baka meron dun, less than 1 bada LC ata ang minimum fare or max 3 bada LC sa budget airlines

un lang, pagbalik mo with the Onkyo baka karnehin ka naman ng customs 

i'm thinking out loud hehehe

[MAtZTER]

1 sqm = 10.75 square feet 

Sorry. Couldn't resist. 

Thanks sir, I didnt notice that. hehe.

I stand corrected. 

malay mo baka meron dun, less than 1 bada LC ata ang minimum fare or max 3 bada LC sa budget airlines

Di pwede bro, company property yan, I only work here. 

And no travel agency will accept the LC as payment. 

[dobler]

Guess what? Local distro's shipment arrived yesterday. It comprised of 2 (yes TWO) Onkyo 875 and a few 705's, & only 3 were allotted to SGT. Their reservation list was over 10.

My reserved black 875 didnt push through, sigh. 875 must be in such a demand they were only given 2 by their source!

Haay, whats with our local distro? 

Matt, isa ako dun sa mga nag pa reserve ng 875 c/o SGT. I've been in contact with Butch and been waiting for over a month. Finally decided to get a Denon 2808 instead. It seems Onkyo's really bad with logistics. According to Butch, 875 stocks aren't a problem in Hong Kong. Nagalit na nga ang dad ni Butch sa kanila because of this. Hehe...

[Waxx]

teka teka teka. let me measure it properly...

3.9m x 2.9m approx...or 13f x 10ft...

[macdon]

Toyama is the local distributor of Onkyo as well as B&W speakers. I dunno if Onkyo has a min number of orders, but I know B&W has - which is why Apolinario & Associates gave up carrying the distribution rights for the speakers. Medyo malaki ang min requirement ng B&W, so hopefully Toyama is not neglecting their Onkyo franchise.

[nogie]

Mga Sirs,

 Pls. help!!!! Im having issues with my Onkyo AVR 605.

My set-up:
1. Onkyo US series TXSR 605
2. Pioneer DV-600
3. PS3 US 60gb
4. velodyne vx-10
5. Wharfs Diamond series 9.4,9.1,cs,dfs

1. Audyssey Auto-speaker set-up.
 Im getting different results each time i tried to set-up using audyssey, initially it sets my amps at 80khz for my fronts, 60 khz for center, 80khz for surrounds, +2db fronts, +3db center, -6db subs, the next time i tried, it sets both front and center at full band. The sounds it produces are flat and muddy so I have to revert to default settings.

2. Lossless Audio signals..
I tried to play Transporter 2 which is a DTS-master audio signal but I dont see on the AVR display that the signal is DTS-master audio. The display is just PCM multichannel 5.1. The sound is awesome comparing it with ordinary DVD but that does mean that the DTS Master Audio was converted to Multichannel PCM 5.1??? I also set the AVR "Direct" to process what signal is exactly present in  the disc in my desperation to see the DTS-Master audio or Dolby Tru HD in the AVR display.

Mga sirs... Please helps before Im having my own SARS attack... CTLIM my idol (taga bili ng mga pinaglumaan nya hehehe).. baka me advise ka.. You call me Boy Negro in our former company...

[et414]

1. make sure that the room is very quiet when you run audessey. turn off the aircon or electric fan. the setup is best done at night when the rest of your family is in bed.


2.the ps3 decodes truhd & dts-hd ma internally and outputs it as pcm. there is nothing wrong with your receiver. the only way to light up the logos on your avr is to buy a player that can bitstream the advance codecs.

[nogie]

Thanks for your reply sir, it helps... yes I did set up the audyssey at 2 am when there's a deafening silence. Thats when I get the full band setting of my front and center speakers.

Do you have something in mind where I can tweak manually the settings.. Honestly, im not contented with the sounds it reproduce right now. SARS attack nearly coming...

Thanks again.

[et414]

try setting your speakers to small w/ a 80hz crossover. the automatic calibration usually gets the speaker levels and distance right but if you want to make sure, you can measure it yourself using a sound pressure level meter and a calibration disk.

what's wrong with the sound? i thought it sounded awsome when playing dts hd ma? what do you mean it sounds better using default settings? you mean everything is set at 0?

[MAtZTER]

teka teka teka. let me measure it properly...

3.9m x 2.9m approx...or 13f x 10ft...

Room size seems just right for the 605. Maybe try using the Audessey again.

[streetsmart]

Thanks for your reply sir, it helps... yes I did set up the audyssey at 2 am when there's a deafening silence. Thats when I get the full band setting of my front and center speakers.

Do you have something in mind where I can tweak manually the settings.. Honestly, im not contented with the sounds it reproduce right now. SARS attack nearly coming...

Thanks again.

Audyssey set-up should normally be a lot better than manual tweaking, but you have to do it right. Some tips:

1. Do the maximum number of mic positions.

2. Do the main listening position and then the next positions should be quite close to the first, maybe 2 feet away to the sides and front.

3. Don't put the mic close to a wall.

4. If the seat back is higher than your ears, set the mic 2" higher than the seat back.

5. If the seat is leather, cover it with a blanket.

Good luck!

[DVDMe]

Hi,


  How much for Onkyo 605 & Onkyo 606? thanks.

[nogie]

try setting your speakers to small w/ a 80hz crossover. the automatic calibration usually gets the speaker levels and distance right but if you want to make sure, you can measure it yourself using a sound pressure level meter and a calibration disk.

what's wrong with the sound? i thought it sounded awsome when playing dts hd ma? what do you mean it sounds better using default settings? you mean everything is set at 0?

Yes, I'm setting-up again later tonight. The sound is awesome with HT using BD movies, when I tried to play a couple of audiophile CDs I find it flat and muddy in the middle. Maybe Im expecting too much for system designed for HT.

[nogie]

Audyssey set-up should normally be a lot better than manual tweaking, but you have to do it right. Some tips:

1. Do the maximum number of mic positions.

2. Do the main listening position and then the next positions should be quite close to the first, maybe 2 feet away to the sides and front.

3. Don't put the mic close to a wall.

4. If the seat back is higher than your ears, set the mic 2" higher than the seat back.

5. If the seat is leather, cover it with a blanket.

Good luck!

Thanks for the tips... Maybe I was doing it wrong... When I set it up, I was standing and holding the mic just above my ears. I also placed the mic too close to the wall.. Thanks, kahit mapuyat ako mamaya, cant wait til I  can optimize my system.

[streetsmart]

Thanks for the tips... Maybe I was doing it wrong... When I set it up, I was standing and holding the mic just above my ears. I also placed the mic too close to the wall.. Thanks, kahit mapuyat ako mamaya, cant wait til I  can optimize my system.

You can't hold the mic. Just a slight movement from your fingers will already affect the mic reading. You need to use a tripod. Get a cheap camera tripod. Actually, the lighter the better, meaning the cheaper the better.

[iiinas]

i have a 604, and when i use the audyssey 2eq mic, it required me to measure 3 points, when everything is done, it set my all of my speakers to full band with subwoofer, the result is for ht, the sound is so so, but for music (i am not an audiophile) the sound coming out just does not sound good. i researched in other forums and most notably avsforum and found out that a lot of people have issues with regards to how audyssey sets up the bass (or lack of it). and a lot of the people recommended that they should use audyssey for the distance and speaker level measurement and then change the settings of the speakers' crossover to 80hz then put your subs crossover to maximum to let the receiver handle the lfe.

i did as read, and to be honest i think i like what i hear with my system now. i don't know if it could get much better, but for now it is miles apart from when audyssey's first calibration.

[streetsmart]

i have a 604, and when i use the audyssey 2eq mic, it required me to measure 3 points, when everything is done, it set my all of my speakers to full band with subwoofer, the result is for ht, the sound is so so, but for music (i am not an audiophile) the sound coming out just does not sound good. i researched in other forums and most notably avsforum and found out that a lot of people have issues with regards to how audyssey sets up the bass (or lack of it). and a lot of the people recommended that they should use audyssey for the distance and speaker level measurement and then change the settings of the speakers' crossover to 80hz then put your subs crossover to maximum to let the receiver handle the lfe.

i did as read, and to be honest i think i like what i hear with my system now. i don't know if it could get much better, but for now it is miles apart from when audyssey's first calibration.

Audyssey does NOTdo the bass management. It is the AVR that does that. Audyssey determines the -3db point of the speaker's frequency response and sends that info to the AVR. The AVR then assigns this speaker as "Large" or "Small" (in the case of Denon) or "Full-band" or not full-band, in which case the crossover frequency is set. In the case of Denon, if the -3 db point is 40 hz or lower, the speaker is set as "Large" while in the case of Onkyo, the cut-off is 80 hz.

The Chief Technological Officer of Audyssey, Chris Kyriakakis, has consistently advised that after running Audyssey, it is best to set all the main speakers as "Small" or "not full-band." What you have done is actually perfectly in accord with what Audyssey itself recommends.

By the way, the primary function of Audyssey is not just speaker levels and distance but the creation of an inverse filter (similar to a very sophisticated parametric equalizer) that corrects errors introduced by the room in both the frequency and time domain.

[nogie]

i have a 604, and when i use the audyssey 2eq mic, it required me to measure 3 points, when everything is done, it set my all of my speakers to full band with subwoofer, the result is for ht, the sound is so so, but for music (i am not an audiophile) the sound coming out just does not sound good. i researched in other forums and most notably avsforum and found out that a lot of people have issues with regards to how audyssey sets up the bass (or lack of it). and a lot of the people recommended that they should use audyssey for the distance and speaker level measurement and then change the settings of the speakers' crossover to 80hz then put your subs crossover to maximum to let the receiver handle the lfe.

i did as read, and to be honest i think i like what i hear with my system now. i don't know if it could get much better, but for now it is miles apart from when audyssey's first calibration.

That was also my experience when I set-up, it required me to test at the 1.center 2. Right end & 3. Left end of the room. It set my center & front at full band, +2db front +3db center -6db Subs respectively, I dont like the sound it reproduce when I tried my audiophile CDs so I have to revert the settings to 100hz & 0db. I will try setting up again when I have the tripod of my officemate (thanks for the tip streetsmart), maybe im doing it wrong when I set it up holding the mic.

[iiinas]

Audyssey does NOTdo the bass management. It is the AVR that does that. Audyssey determines the -3db point of the speaker's frequency response and sends that info to the AVR. The AVR then assigns this speaker as "Large" or "Small" (in the case of Denon) or "Full-band" or not full-band, in which case the crossover frequency is set. In the case of Denon, if the -3 db point is 40 hz or lower, the speaker is set as "Large" while in the case of Onkyo, the cut-off is 80 hz.

The Chief Technological Officer of Audyssey, Chris Kyriakakis, has consistently advised that after running Audyssey, it is best to set all the main speakers as "Small" or "not full-band." What you have done is actually perfectly in accord with what Audyssey itself recommends.

By the way, the primary function of Audyssey is not just speaker levels and distance but the creation of an inverse filter (similar to a very sophisticated parametric equalizer) that corrects errors introduced by the room in both the frequency and time domain.

ah ok, thanks for the heads up. i just followed what others did when i did some research, apparently they (as i am then) aren't as inform as you sir streetsmart, lumabas, it was a lucky move on my part.

thanks again sa info, because indeed, audyssey is a highly praised auto calibration system compared to i think what yamaha and pioneer has. and knowing what to expect and do after can atleast help people understand how to tweak or squeeze more out of their system. 

[Waxx]

would appreciate help for my current setup :

samsung bd up5000 + onkyo tx sr 605 + HDMI + 7.1 speakers

can anybody give me tip on what should i do to maximize the settings?

im not quite familiar on what i should see sa display screen ng avr ko when i play movies on the player.. sometimes i see the dolby red icon lighted up, sometimes wala..there are times when i see dolby 5.1 lighted,

what would be a good sampler to know that its playing MA, and 7.1? medyo nalilito na ako e.

[nogie]

Audyssey does NOTdo the bass management. It is the AVR that does that. Audyssey determines the -3db point of the speaker's frequency response and sends that info to the AVR. The AVR then assigns this speaker as "Large" or "Small" (in the case of Denon) or "Full-band" or not full-band, in which case the crossover frequency is set. In the case of Denon, if the -3 db point is 40 hz or lower, the speaker is set as "Large" while in the case of Onkyo, the cut-off is 80 hz.

The Chief Technological Officer of Audyssey, Chris Kyriakakis, has consistently advised that after running Audyssey, it is best to set all the main speakers as "Small" or "not full-band." What you have done is actually perfectly in accord with what Audyssey itself recommends.

By the way, the primary function of Audyssey is not just speaker levels and distance but the creation of an inverse filter (similar to a very sophisticated parametric equalizer) that corrects errors introduced by the room in both the frequency and time domain.

Hi Streetsmart,
I manually adjusted the xover of main & center speakers to 80hz & your right, it sounded better. For my subs, what setting would i choose? The AVR sets the xover at 100hz, do I need to adjust to 80hz or 120hz? Thanks for your help.

[nogie]

i have a 604, and when i use the audyssey 2eq mic, it required me to measure 3 points, when everything is done, it set my all of my speakers to full band with subwoofer, the result is for ht, the sound is so so, but for music (i am not an audiophile) the sound coming out just does not sound good. i researched in other forums and most notably avsforum and found out that a lot of people have issues with regards to how audyssey sets up the bass (or lack of it). and a lot of the people recommended that they should use audyssey for the distance and speaker level measurement and then change the settings of the speakers' crossover to 80hz then put your subs crossover to maximum to let the receiver handle the lfe.

i did as read, and to be honest i think i like what i hear with my system now. i don't know if it could get much better, but for now it is miles apart from when audyssey's first calibration.

sir,

What setting do you mean when you say "xover to maximum"? Adjust to 80hz, 100hz, 120hz or the adjustment should be done in the subs itself? Thanks for your help!

[et414]

by maximum he means 120hz or higher. some subs have an ht bypass switch that bypasses the subwoofer's internal crossovers. this means that only the avr will do the filtering. if your sub doesn't have a bypass mode. just set it to the highest crossover setting.

[streetsmart]

Hi Streetsmart,
I manually adjusted the xover of main & center speakers to 80hz & your right, it sounded better. For my subs, what setting would i choose? The AVR sets the xover at 100hz, do I need to adjust to 80hz or 120hz? Thanks for your help.

by maximum he means 120hz or higher. some subs have an ht bypass switch that bypasses the subwoofer's internal crossovers. this means that only the avr will do the filtering. if your sub doesn't have a bypass mode. just set it to the highest crossover setting.

ET414 is correct. At the AVR, the Low-Pass Filter setting for the LFE channel should be set to 120 hz. I think that this setting is often mislabeled as being a crossover for the subwoofer. It's not a crossover. It's actually a filter for the Low Frequency Effects (LFE) channel (the .1 in 5.1 or 7.1). The LFE channel has material which goes up to a maximum of 120 hz. The sub setting at the AVR ensures that only LFE material which is 120 hz and below goes to the sub. If that setting is at 80 hz, you will lose the material from 80 to 120 hz. Corrollarily, if the sub has a Low-Pass Filter (or often labeled as crossover), set that to 120 hz (or as high as it can go).

This is different from the crossovers of the other speakers (set at 80 hz usually), which tells the AVR to send frequencies above that point to the other speakers and frequencies below that to the sub. This corresponds to the 5 in 5.1 or 7 in 7.1. This is different from the LFE channel. You normally don't want this crossover to be above 80 hz cuz otherwise, that sound could be detected as coming from the sub, whereas the sub should "disappear." It's true that this conflicts with the advice to set the LFE channel to 120 hz but it's still the best advice cuz otherwise, you will lose the 80 to 120 hz information in the LFE channel (which is worse). Besides, the material in the LFE channel from 80 to 120 hz is not a lot.

[nogie]

ET414 is correct. At the AVR, the Low-Pass Filter setting for the LFE channel should be set to 120 hz. I think that this setting is often mislabeled as being a crossover for the subwoofer. It's not a crossover. It's actually a filter for the Low Frequency Effects (LFE) channel (the .1 in 5.1 or 7.1). The LFE channel has material which goes up to a maximum of 120 hz. The sub setting at the AVR ensures that only LFE material which is 120 hz and below goes to the sub. If that setting is at 80 hz, you will lose the material from 80 to 120 hz. Corrollarily, if the sub has a Low-Pass Filter (or often labeled as crossover), set that to 120 hz (or as high as it can go).

This is different from the crossovers of the other speakers (set at 80 hz usually), which tells the AVR to send frequencies above that point to the other speakers and frequencies below that to the sub. This corresponds to the 5 in 5.1 or 7 in 7.1. This is different from the LFE channel. You normally don't want this crossover to be above 80 hz cuz otherwise, that sound could be detected as coming from the sub, whereas the sub should "disappear." It's true that this conflicts with the advice to set the LFE channel to 120 hz but it's still the best advice cuz otherwise, you will lose the 80 to 120 hz information in the LFE channel (which is worse). Besides, the material in the LFE channel from 80 to 120 hz is not a lot.

by maximum he means 120hz or higher. some subs have an ht bypass switch that bypasses the subwoofer's internal crossovers. this means that only the avr will do the filtering. if your sub doesn't have a bypass mode. just set it to the highest crossover setting.

Kudos to you guys!!! This is very informative for "audio idiot" like me! Now I can say I can now juice out the best of my system...