Topic: speaker wires

[Bogsle]

Van Den Hul Cables from Smart Home Automation & Entertainment Inc.

Contact: Frank Czudai

Cel: 0915 662 2873

VDH CS-122 = Php 1,100.00 per meter

[JT]

Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables
* Speaker cables have three times more copper content than ordinary cables for greater power transfer.
* Includes adapters for Sony® Dream Systems and Kenwood® system compatibility.
*  Additional 10 ft. Monster® subwoofer cable for non-powered or passive subwoofers.
*  All the right lengths of high performance speaker cable: 2 - 20 ft. front, 1 - 10 ft. center, and 2 - 35 ft. rear.
* High performance 8 ft. component video cable for improved home theater performance.
* DoubleHelix™ windings provide less loss and lower attenuation.
* Bonus speaker cable clamps included.

http://www.monstercable.com/MonsterWired/issue13/productPage_HTIB.asp?pin=1597

I have 1 set in Manila already.  PM me if interested.

[oweidah]

Van Den Hul Cables from Smart Home Automation & Entertainment Inc.

Contact: Frank Czudai

Cel: 0915 662 2873

VDH CS-122 = Php 1,100.00 per meter

sir bogsle, meron pala authorized distributor(?) dito ang vdh. i'm also using vdh d102mk3 ic. 

[Bogsle]

sir bogsle, meron pala authorized distributor(?) dito ang vdh. i'm also using vdh d102mk3 ic. 

Last year ko sila na meet sa show at Mandarin. They said they are now the only distributor of VDH in the Philippines.

Kaya lang medyo limited sila sa VDH products. Wala ngang interconnects eh. I was looking also for VDH D102MK3. They only have ICs by Cyrus or for Cyrus CDPs, something like that.

Pero maganda yung mga speakers na Elac nila, heheh OT na ba?

[arizton]

sir bogs ganda ng speaker cable mo parang gusto kong gumawa din,
pwede po ba malaman kung mag kano inabot lahat?
ilang meter po ba yung cable?

tnx

[Bogsle]

sir bogs ganda ng speaker cable mo parang gusto kong gumawa din,
pwede po ba malaman kung mag kano inabot lahat?
ilang meter po ba yung cable?

tnx

Cost breakdown of VDH CS-122 DIY Cable: (excluding the jumbers)

6 meters VDH CS-122 (1,100.00/meter)    =  6,600.00
Eichmann Bayonet Plugs                        =  4,000.00
Shrink Tubes                                       =      50.00

GRAND TOTAL                                      =  10,650.00

[arizton]

holy cow!    10k ang mahal pala, cat5 na lang ang gagawin ko.
anyway thanks for sharing sir bogs

[jadm72]

Guys:

Saw gauge #8 wires in my favorite hardware store. Disposal price thats why I am considering.

Ok ba ito gamitin as Speaker wire?

Will it have significant improvement? 

I am using now gauge#12 and gauge #14 speaker wires.

The copper wire is 8mm thick, almost double than the gauge 12.

How do I terminate it to connect sa binding post ng receivers?

I have banana plugs to the speakers but the binding post is so small.  Are there spades, plugs or pins for the binding posts?

Do I need to cut it in same lenths even if my set-up is not "centered."  My gears are all in one side.

Appreciate your thoughts.


Regards.


jadm72

[psychodreamer]

Jadm72,

Here's a link to give you a rough guide on what gauge to use,  and with lots of other good info to boot.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable

As you will probably see,  your 12 gauge wires would most likely be adequate for your needs, assuming you have a normal-sized room for your set-up.

Regards.

[mike c]

no, you don't need the same lengths for your speakers.

you mean the gauge 8 wires can't fit the binding posts of the banana plugs?  if yes, you can trim the copper strands til they fit ... otherwise, sa meralco wire mo na lang gamitin yan   just kidding, you can try to look for soldered spades/banana plugs, mas walang limit yung size nun, kaya lang, 8 mm is gigantic ... ilan million watts yung amp mo? hehe

if you are already using gauge 14 and 12 wires ... no there won't be any improvement - refer to the chart that was posted by psychodreamer.

[jadm72]

Thanks for the reply guys.


I bought the wires already and are will try the connections.  Natuwa lang ako, it was cheaper than the regular gauge 12, which I was supposed to buy (actually out of stock). Siguro with the high prices of metal (copper) these days, bawi na rin if sold by weight.

Just to illustrate, the cable circumference/diameter is about the size of the 25 centavo coin.  I was told to use a hack saw to cut the pieces in the lengths I like.

I remembered seiing some friends' "garden hose" speaker cables costing 15 - 20K per 6ft pair. Ilusyon lang siguro yung akin.

The 14 meters was only less than 1k, so mga Php70 per meter?

psycho

Thanks for the link.  Lampas na sa yung Gauge 8, hanggang gauge 10 lang yung sa table.

MikeC

The literature that cam with thw speakers recommends to have the same length even it is not the same distance from the amp or receiver, But you are correct, wala naman akong napansin na difference when i used oridnary speaker wire #16 before.

The binding posts I was referring to was for the receiver end.  Iipitin na lang siguro yung bare wire.  For the gauge 12 an 14, I can still form the bare wire as a small hook, then the plastic screw will press against wire.  For the #8, i will be difficult to form a small hook or J.

I was trying thinking for easy testing, to use a "banana plug" like attachment on the receiver side.

For the banana plugs, the hole is just exactly a big as the copper.

I anything fails, gawin ko na lang power cord, wala lang ground? 600V yata ang rating indicated on the wire.

Actually, I may try to use it on a 1 or 3 watt amp I am eyeing to demo / purchase, if I cannot find a million watt amp to use the cables.

Cheers.

[qguy]

out of curiousity.. where is this store located ?

[mike c]

70/m is a very good price.  sulit nga. 

[MAtZTER]

Had these custom made abroad:

locking banana plugs

Bada speaker wire, IXOS 606 Pakora, Ecosse 2.3 (14ga), IXOS gamma 6006 (11ga)

I dont know what guage they are, but one wire is as thick as the entire 3 braided strands of 11 ga IXOS 6006 (the gray one).

It sounded great so far w/ low wattage amps on some speakers, but it didnt sound great on some. Synergy is still the key in this hobby.

[jadm72]

Guys:

The store's name is Tensile Construction Supplies/ Hardware in Better Living Subdivision.  But word of caution, pinagputulan na daw yung nabili ko and last piece na rin so they may not have it at the same price , they call it Royal Cord: Gauge 8.  They have other sizes as well.  You can try other large hardware stores or electrical supplies.

MikeC:

Kahit pang scrap yata puede. hehehe

Mat:

Yan ang gusto kong speaker wires , pambili na lang. 

Just curious, When the wires are inserted at the back of the plugs, how does the plug hold the wires?  My banana plugs seem to have a gap of about 5mm when fully pressed and looks loose when I tried to hold the wires. 

I connect it from the hole on the side, so the contact is more firm?  Ok ba yun?

Tumunog naman sa luma kong speaker wires.

Cheers.

[mike c]

I use royal cord for industrial electrical uses.  pang kuryente nga.

[psychodreamer]

hehe.. 

[MAtZTER]

Mat:
Just curious, When the wires are inserted at the back of the plugs, how does the plug hold the wires?  My banana plugs seem to have a gap of about 5mm when fully pressed and looks loose when I tried to hold the wires. 

Truth is bro, I dont know . I had it made for me but never saw how it was done. I was wondering myself how it was connected to the banana plug

[cybermms]

Hi jadm72,

I am not sure if gauge 8 will provide improvement in the audio quality. In my experience, i use the appropriate wire thickness with the type of speakers, like:

    - gauge 16-18 for surround
    - gauge  14-16 for front and center

The signal flow is more efficient if the path matches the amount of signal flowing through it. It's like water flowing though a hose. If the diameter of the hose is too big for a smaller amount of water, then the water pressure is softer.

We usually use gauge 8-12 for large PA/Mobile installations where you see big boxes for live events/concerts. These large boxes usually have power outputs of from 400w to 800w being driven by amps of the same or higher wattage. This means that one needs a bigger gauge of speaker cables to accomodate the higher power output of the amp and the speakers.

This is just my 10 cents worth of experience. I hope it helps.

cyber

[ATJr.]

 HI,

the coils on your speakers can be anywhere from gauge 34 to 24.....how on earth can a gauge 8 help the sound? go figure... you can get the biggest, most expensive cable your money can buy, but the fact remains, your speaker's coils uses dinky wires...

[paolorenzo]

Gauge #8 ?!?!  These are used as power cables na.  Actually, my entry wires from the Meralco wires to the meter and into the house (circuit breaker) is Gauge8.

I think this is too much of an overkill, and may introduce power loss from the AVR to the speakers.

Gauge #14 nga lang yung gamit ko (longest cut is about 30feet).  Gauge #12 was already too thick, and inconvenient (less flexibility, and harder to fit into the orange PVC pipes).

[-sniper-]

hi friends!

just want to get your opinions on the following concerns:

1. what is the "ideal" wire gauge for ht? is it 12 or 14?
2. i bought speaker wires from jb music store. it's not branded though but i was told that it was the same kind used by musicians on their speakers during gigs. will it suffice or should i go for the branded ones (monster [said by many to be unreasonably expensive], etc...)? will there be a difference in sound quality/output between those from jb music store and those branded wires?

thanks so much!

[bumblebee]

14. Easier to work on, cheaper than the 12.

[streetsmart]

1. It depends on how long the cable is. Kung mahaba masyado, you need gauge 12. Look in the thread of Munskie's HT. There is a good link there on this topic.

2. Cable wire is not that critical. No need for Monster. Baka mahal pa nga ang sa JB Music store. Try Raon.

[ericag_ph]

on 1.  Aim for 10 or 12.  But the gauge to use is really based on length of wire.  ie.  the longer wire, use thicker gauge.  10 is too thick imho.

on 2.  As long as you use decent/quality wire, it will suffice.  Honestly I cannot hear the difference between expensive Monster speaker wires and ordinary electrical cord.   If I can hear a 10x improvement, then maybe I'll pay the 10x more price tag on the branded wire.  Same with choosing speakers, If they cost 3x more, but I only hear a 10% sound improvement, I probably won't bother.  Therefore  I use ordinary electrical cord (lamp cord/zip cord/extension wire) gauge 12.  Check the links on my HT gallery on speaker wires:  http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=55046.0
 

hi friends!

just want to get your opinions on the following concerns:

1. what is the "ideal" wire gauge for ht? is it 12 or 14?
2. i bought speaker wires from jb music store. it's not branded though but i was told that it was the same kind used by musicians on their speakers during gigs. will it suffice or should i go for the branded ones (monster [said by many to be unreasonably expensive], etc...)? will there be a difference in sound quality/output between those from jb music store and those branded wires?

thanks so much!

[Munskie]

here's the link...this should help you a lot.....

Speaker Cable Gauge (AWG) Guidelines & Recommendations.

In my end, I use 12ga for fronts, 14ga for surrounds.......im using monoprice cables.  Very good build quality yet affordable.

[-sniper-]

thanks a lot munskie! based on the link you sent me, (which, by the way, was very helpful) gauge 14 will be ideal.

1. It depends on how long the cable is. Kung mahaba masyado, you need gauge 12. Look in the thread of Munskie's HT. There is a good link there on this topic.

2. Cable wire is not that critical. No need for Monster. Baka mahal pa nga ang sa JB Music store. Try Raon.

fronts would need about 4 meters  each while surrounds would need around 8 to 10 meters. the wires from jb music cost around Php50-55/meter.

raon is a little far from my location. i'm based in subic and i don't go the manila that often. it's quite burdensome for me (driving, gas, toll fee  ). i bought my wires at the mall nearest to my place -- sm pampanga.

[Munskie]

Munskie, where's this available?  Thanks.

monoprice products are available online.....pay thru paypal then ship it thru JAC. 

[narf]

Hi guys i have a nad c315bee paired with wharfdale 9.1's. Problem is that i cant seem to connect these simple wires as i only have highs when it is connected to the upper terminals in the speakers. kung sa lower terminals naman mids lang.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance for any advice

[Jairus]

Hi guys i have a nad c315bee paired with wharfdale 9.1's. Problem is that i cant seem to connect these simple wires as i only have highs when it is connected to the upper terminals in the speakers. kung sa lower terminals naman mids lang.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance for any advice

Is the metal jumper still attached?



The metal jumper is the brass thing connecting the 1st to the 3rd binding post (-) and the 2nd to the 4th binding post (+).

If there is no metal jumper and you attach the wires only to the two upper terminals, you would indeed just get highs and only the lows when connecting to the bottom two terminals.

Hope it helps.