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Re: Help: Newbie trying to figure out speaker wiring
« Reply #120 on: Feb 29, 2008 at 12:34 AM »
Yup, attach the jumpers or bi-wire.  ;)

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Re: Help: Newbie trying to figure out speaker wiring
« Reply #121 on: Feb 29, 2008 at 02:21 AM »
Thank you very much, both of you have been very helpful. I did bi-wire it after a while but i didnt know i had to attach those jumpers.

Thanks again!

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Re: Help: Newbie trying to figure out speaker wiring
« Reply #122 on: Mar 10, 2008 at 11:21 PM »
Thank you very much, both of you have been very helpful. I did bi-wire it after a while but i didnt know i had to attach those jumpers.

Thanks again!

sir use jumpers instead:


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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #123 on: Mar 19, 2008 at 12:52 AM »
anybody tried using two or three guage 16 wires together ?

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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #124 on: Mar 19, 2008 at 04:05 PM »
anybody tried using two or three guage 16 wires together ?

I'm sure this will be ok though I have'nt tried it yet.  But why bother with this, it will be more expensive as compared to one run of 12 or 14 gauge!  :o
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #125 on: Mar 19, 2008 at 10:01 PM »
I prefer the sound of 12 gauge on the front and 16 on the surrounds.

you can find good or better quality wires online @ very cheap price even if you sum-up the shipping cost.
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #126 on: Mar 19, 2008 at 10:24 PM »
I'm sure this will be ok though I have'nt tried it yet.  But why bother with this, it will be more expensive as compared to one run of 12 or 14 gauge!  :o


hehe... just curious if it'll sound better... cost wise, my current gauge 10 is quite expensive and using 2 guage 14 or 16 is still cheaper by 50%

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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #127 on: Oct 13, 2008 at 02:39 PM »
Buhayin lang ang speaker wire topic...

What's the benefit of "oxygen-free" speaker wire? Hindi mangingitim/oxidize?

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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #128 on: Oct 14, 2008 at 02:04 PM »
Pareho lang daw ang oxidation rates, e.

OFC is copper that was de-oxidized during the smelting process.

Historically, the "oxygen-free" spec arose from industrial applications where chemical purity is required to prevent unwanted chemical reactions.  An example is an application where the copper material will be subjected to temperatures high enough to produce hydrogen embrittlement, such as during soldering.

In copper wires, hydrogen embrittlement can arise when ordinary industrial copper is soldered in an open environment, where the hydrogen in the air diffuses into the copper and reacts with the internally dispersed Cu20, producing internal holes that make the copper brittle.

However, whether the speaker wire uses oxygen-free copper or not, the wire will still oxidize at more or less the same rate, any difference in oxidation rates being too slight to be significant.

My theory is that changes in the copper could be caused by a chemical reaction between the wire and the insulation material, rather than by the oxygen in the copper itself.

Audioholics says:

Pursuing the Truth: The fact of the matter is that OFHC copper and pure unalloyed copper, both oxidize at around the same rates. Some cable manufacturers use the OFHC as an advertisement that it will not oxidize, or it will oxidize less than other copper conductor materials, but there is no truth to these claims.

http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/component-video-cables-the-definitive-guide/component-video-cables-the-definitive-guide-page-3

As for the chemical purity differences between OFC and ordinary copper, the speaker wire authority Roger Russel says:

Oddly enough, it isn't the freedom of oxygen in copper wire that makes any difference. The process of removing oxygen also removes the impurity of iron and it's this impurity that can cause the resistance to be slightly higher. The difference in resistance between copper wire and oxygen free copper wire is too small to be significant for speaker wiring. It can be considered to be ordinary copper wire as far as the recommended lengths of copper wire in the table. Oxygen free copper wire can be more expensive than ordinary copper wire.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#oxygenfree



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Personally, I would still recommend OFC cables not because they are "oxygen-free", but because the ones with OFC specs tend to have better quality, e.g.: higher quality construction and insulation materials.



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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #129 on: Oct 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM »
anybody tried using two or three guage 16 wires together ?

hi brother Jason,

you may want to try Belden cat5.... made in the USA... inexpensive & durable... bundle all wires as one... you need two runs per side... if bi-wire you will need 4 runs per side

or ordinary Phelp Dodge (or any local brand) royal cord awg 12/2 or 10/2... inexpensive... durable

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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #130 on: Oct 15, 2008 at 08:15 AM »
have the speaker wires with soldered termination, the noise reduction was night and day when I upgraded from a twisted pair generic to PAD Livewire. although the thickness and material used could have factored in too (it supposedly uses a higher amount of copper, etc, plus the cable is actually a twisted pair for each terminal, instead of per channel), I'd bet on the good termination more than these, since you can use these on any cable.

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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #131 on: Oct 15, 2008 at 08:49 AM »
how about the usual lan (cat5) cable?
its shielded and pretty thick .. :)
i have a couple of meters of this, so is it ok to use this instead? :D
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #132 on: Oct 15, 2008 at 09:24 AM »
yes, belden cat5 cables we used for LAN here at home to connect wired computers... very good insulation and shielding kasi computers are sensitive to noise interference

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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #133 on: Oct 15, 2008 at 09:42 AM »
yes, belden cat5 cables we used for LAN here at home to connect wired computers... very good insulation and shielding kasi computers are sensitive to noise interference
thanks bro .. this will save me a lot of money .. :D
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #134 on: Oct 15, 2008 at 10:02 AM »
thanks bro .. this will save me a lot of money .. :D


that is exactly the idea brother... superb output at the least cost possible  ;)


have a great day brother  ;)

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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #135 on: Oct 15, 2008 at 04:03 PM »
its shielded and pretty thick .. :)
i have a couple of meters of this, so is it ok to use this instead? :D
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #136 on: Oct 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM »
The typical cat-5e cable is not shielded ... unless what you have is the shielded type (not typical cat 5e) ...

it is the cross section area that matters in copper to make it more effective ... not the amount of copper, though bigger cross section presupposes more copper  :) ...

typical decent wire (hardware) is not substantially far from those OFC-labeled ... in fact, you will not be able to verify it yourself whether the level of its OFC is as advertised ... so its just hyping.

Made those cat5e with thickness bigger than #10 ...

For longer run ... like in surround, bigger gauge is more suitable ... in shorter length, same size used for front and rear have no substantial difference. For lengthy run, go higher gauge than the fronts.
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #137 on: Oct 20, 2008 at 10:34 AM »
The typical cat-5e cable is not shielded ... unless what you have is the shielded type (not typical cat 5e) ...

it is the cross section area that matters in copper to make it more effective ... not the amount of copper, though bigger cross section presupposes more copper  :) ...

typical decent wire (hardware) is not substantially far from those OFC-labeled ... in fact, you will not be able to verify it yourself whether the level of its OFC is as advertised ... so its just hyping.

Made those cat5e with thickness bigger than #10 ...

For longer run ... like in surround, bigger gauge is more suitable ... in shorter length, same size used for front and rear have no substantial difference. For lengthy run, go higher gauge than the fronts.

mine are really shielded .. its not those 15 peso / metre type ..  :D
so should i still stick with this?
im planning to re-do my setup soon  :)
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #138 on: Oct 23, 2008 at 03:28 PM »
here's the link...this should help you a lot.....

Speaker Cable Gauge (AWG) Guidelines & Recommendations.

In my end, I use 12ga for fronts, 14ga for surrounds.......im using monoprice cables.  Very good build quality yet affordable.



if you dont mind... can u guys tell me where i can buy this type or speaker wire or an alternative and how much will it cost

thanks

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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #139 on: Oct 23, 2008 at 04:15 PM »
if you dont mind... can u guys tell me where i can buy this type or speaker wire or an alternative and how much will it cost

thanks

i think Raon should be first place to be checked-out. try other electronics shops and ACe hardware... gud-luck... :D :D :D
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #140 on: Oct 26, 2008 at 09:50 AM »
Try OTA cables for speaker wires. You can get them at Architectural Audio.

Cost/Performance, worth every centavo and even more! These cables/wires are considerably cheap.

Don't be fooled by the size of these wires. They sound big, spacious, detailed, image very well, and quite transparent.

The size of the wire actually makes it very easy to hide from view.

Of course there are better cables out there. But for that you have to pay more, so much more!

In my opinior, for the margin of difference in performance, hmm ???...I'll think twice about investing more money on those other cables.

...And yes, these cables can be used on long runs.
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #141 on: Oct 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM »




anyone who knows where i can get these QED cables?  forgot the model...

someone might be familiar with specific model and where i can buy.  thanks!
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #142 on: Oct 26, 2008 at 01:03 PM »
update

i visited AVESCO QC recently

very good royal cord awg 10/2 cost around P146/meter... still not bad as i only need 2 meters per speaker... will A/B this with my branded wires

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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #143 on: Oct 26, 2008 at 01:06 PM »




anyone who knows where i can get these QED cables?  forgot the model...

someone might be familiar with specific model and where i can buy.  thanks!

Jake Johnson...sa SG marami niyan...will check it out and let you know soon...Not sure if there's a local distributor for QED...if you happen to find a QED Silver Anniversary, OK yun!
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #144 on: Oct 26, 2008 at 05:51 PM »




anyone who knows where i can get these QED cables?  forgot the model...

someone might be familiar with specific model and where i can buy.  thanks!

i smell SARS here...::) ::) ::) :D
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« Reply #145 on: Oct 26, 2008 at 06:01 PM »
Jake Johnson...sa SG marami niyan...will check it out and let you know soon...Not sure if there's a local distributor for QED...if you happen to find a QED Silver Anniversary, OK yun!

am particularly interested in these cables jen.  i can't seem to decipher the model.
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #146 on: Oct 26, 2008 at 06:02 PM »
i smell SARS here...::) ::) ::) :D

hehehe!  just window shopping brader mon.  ;D
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #147 on: Oct 26, 2008 at 06:28 PM »
hehehe!  just window shopping brader mon.  ;D

heto na lang para kamukha ng mga SAWA mo...

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?cablspkr&1228986928&/Kimber-KS-3038
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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #148 on: Oct 27, 2008 at 06:25 PM »
update

i visited AVESCO QC recently

very good royal cord awg 10/2 cost around P146/meter... still not bad as i only need 2 meters per speaker... will A/B this with my branded wires

cheers!!!


I think you made a better choice ... is this AVESCO somewhere near SM City?

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Re: speaker wires
« Reply #149 on: Oct 28, 2008 at 03:18 AM »

I think you made a better choice ... is this AVESCO somewhere near SM City?

thank you very much sir

malapit sir sa Bayantel Building QC... the road leads to Munoz Market if i can remember it correct

AVESCO is my favorite reseller since i got involved with VHF radios many years back and up to now... they have very good products... sadly, out of stock yung shielded Belden Cat5 and Cat6 when i visited them... i want to re-try these Cat5&6 for speaker wires too as these are inexpensive as compared to P10k/5 meters branded speaker wires...


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