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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1440 on: Jan 03, 2011 at 11:01 AM »
you should try listening to Polk Audio Sir,,
kahit entry level lang like TSi's. ;)

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1441 on: Jan 04, 2011 at 02:05 PM »
Mga master newbie lng poh my sakura ako av502k myron akong 2 15" 500watt crown woofer parang bitin prin ano kya pwedeng idagdag pra mplkas ung bass pero soft..

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1442 on: Jan 04, 2011 at 05:56 PM »
Mga master newbie lng poh my sakura ako av502k myron akong 2 15" 500watt crown woofer parang bitin prin ano kya pwedeng idagdag pra mplkas ung bass pero soft..

Sir mi sub out ba yung sakura mo?..

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1443 on: Jan 05, 2011 at 08:55 AM »
Bali sir 5.1 channel sya meron syang s bass rca socket iyon kya un kya un kilngan ko p b magdagdag ng sub mga mgkno kya sub ngyon 10"

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1444 on: Jan 05, 2011 at 09:06 AM »
Nkukulngan kc ako sa low at high.. tweeter ko horn 150w hndi ko mrinig ung kalansing tpos ung bass parng kulng sa bayo. no pwedeng idagdag help mga master pang bahay lng at mliit n occasion sa bkuran.

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1445 on: Jan 05, 2011 at 03:11 PM »
ah ok.. parang same lang sila nung konzert na 502A. siguro sir kelangan nyo si sir pilyo with his diy amp.. search nyo lang sa market place then meron din syang sub na jbl gt5. para kung gs2 nyo pa dagdagan ng base yung setup nyo.. :)

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1446 on: Jan 10, 2011 at 04:18 PM »
Hi:

Still working my way around this forum.

Anyway, my query is are there fostex speaker components available locally? Planning on a speaker FIY project with either a tostex 4 or 8 inch full ranger speakers.

Thanks for any input. The fostex are sensitive and can be driven by digital or flea power tube amps. That's why my interest in these.


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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1447 on: Jan 11, 2011 at 08:56 AM »
Please recommend a bookshelf speaker for Yamaha htr-5540 aka rxv-430. budget is 3k-4k only.

thanks in advance
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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1448 on: Jan 11, 2011 at 09:09 AM »
Please recommend a bookshelf speaker for Yamaha htr-5540 aka rxv-430. budget is 3k-4k only.

thanks in advance

nasa taguig lang ang kasagutan dyan amigo  ;)

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1449 on: Jan 11, 2011 at 09:31 AM »
nasa taguig lang ang kasagutan dyan amigo  ;)

taguig po ba o bicutan?
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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1450 on: Jan 11, 2011 at 10:49 AM »
217 Manuel L. Quezon st. Lower BIcutan taguig city. ( near D.O.S.T. Bicutan ) landlyn #838 6701/#0921 4697091  ;)

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1451 on: Jan 11, 2011 at 01:35 PM »
217 Manuel L. Quezon st. Lower BIcutan taguig city. ( near D.O.S.T. Bicutan ) landlyn #838 6701/#0921 4697091  ;)

thanks po, napm ko na din si Anthony, antay lang po ako reply :)
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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1452 on: Jan 12, 2011 at 09:57 AM »
Hi! Im just a newdie in this kagastusan hoby. and i have a pioneer vsx920k, sony dvd (dav series I forgot the model but eto yung mga ka bundle ng lcd around 25k selling price), ps3, mede8er 300x. my query is what brand of speaker  maganda dito? right now im using jamo s606 hcs3 and jamo sub300. i set it up for 9.1 surround height set up.ok naman ang sq nya but for my future upgrade wala pa kasi ako surround back and front height speaker ang ginamit ko kasi yung mga sony speaker ng sony dvd ko.

Nakakatakot din pala tumambay dito wala katapusang up grade like my previews hoby. (mmph, airsoft, mtb)  hehehe! :D
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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1453 on: Jan 12, 2011 at 11:13 PM »
noob here, ordered the following:

front  - B&W nautilus 804 floorstanding
center - B&W nautilus HtM4d2gb
rear - B&W nautilus 805
sub- REL R-505
DHC80.2 Integra THX PRE PROC
Mcintosh MC205

mga masters any recommendation or comments on this setup?
Got a feedback that B&W is for "amatuers"? true?

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1454 on: Jan 14, 2011 at 03:47 AM »
Hi Gudspeed:

I'm also new to the forum but have been into hifi for a long time.

Sa HT, upgrading beyond 5.1 maybe overkill, baka better to start with a nice sounding speaker system and complete the pieces na lang. Sometimes more is not better.

Kung gusto mo naman quality sound when you look for PRAT or transparency, air, clarity, speed etc... Cheapest to build a separate stereo system where ang approach mo is audiophile meaning whatever you have is best quality (if you cannot afford a full range speaker, go with bookshelf with weak bass which is better than powerful muddy bass).

So likely, you start with small pieces then upgrade the system piece by piece until you have the system that meets your priorities - start with do you go tubes or solid state; CD or records; Headphones ; Media streaming (PC or other devices)....

Unfortunately, no mass market receiver even the branded Marantz or Denon or other makes can beat a budget stereo amp for sound quality so that makes your Pioneer not a candidate for audiophile sound. With good systems, stereo gives you a 3d image of the soundtage anyway  :)

Good luck in this Hobby. Forget the hype, listen to your ears and get what sound good to you.  For me, this means what sounds closest to the live music I hear (I am particular about the tone and specially the voice / acoustic music but people have different preferences).

Good audio need not be expensive!

Don't forget where you listen to the most. If you listen most in the car, it makes more sense to improve car audio; if you can listen more on the go - get a good portable player which is kind of cheap with good earphones...

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1455 on: Jan 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM »
noob here, ordered the following:

front  - B&W nautilus 804 floorstanding
center - B&W nautilus HtM4d2gb
rear - B&W nautilus 805
sub- REL R-505
DHC80.2 Integra THX PRE PROC
Mcintosh MC205

mga masters any recommendation or comments on this setup?
Got a feedback that B&W is for "amatuers"? true?


deym! what a set! ang importante happy ka. kung na-audition mo ang mga yan bago inorder at masaya ka then solve ka na. wag mo pansinin ang sabi ng iba. kung ang iba nga sabi sa isang brand ng speaker e "bang for the buck" pero nung na-audition ko "bang on my back" pala! as in - no good.  >:( take the case of bose. marami ang may gusto pero marami din ang ayaw. subjective 'ika nga.

post mo agad sa gallery ang setup mo amigo!  :o :o :o

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1456 on: Jan 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM »
Hi! Im just a newdie in this kagastusan hoby. and i have a pioneer vsx920k, sony dvd (dav series I forgot the model but eto yung mga ka bundle ng lcd around 25k selling price), ps3, mede8er 300x. my query is what brand of speaker  maganda dito? right now im using jamo s606 hcs3 and jamo sub300. i set it up for 9.1 surround height set up.ok naman ang sq nya but for my future upgrade wala pa kasi ako surround back and front height speaker ang ginamit ko kasi yung mga sony speaker ng sony dvd ko.

Nakakatakot din pala tumambay dito wala katapusang up grade like my previews hoby. (mmph, airsoft, mtb)  hehehe! :D

ano ang size ng room mo, amigo? wag kang matakot tumambay  :D ;) ang importante dito tibay ng control.
nasubukan mo na bang mamangkang nakasagwan ng pasalubong sa agos?  ;)

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1457 on: Jan 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM »
Copied from a car audio thread.
A little different but worth reading.

Let's begin with definitions of some aspects of sound.

Tonality:
Commonly referred to as tonal accuracy and spectral balance, tonality is that quality of a system that gives the musical instruments their natural sound. If a saxophone is played, for example, it sounds exactly like a real saxophone, and you can tell it is not a trombone, french horn, tuba, or any other brass instrument. Likewise, any instrument has its own characteristic sound, and a system with good tonality will allow the listener to differentiate the instruments being played. According to the Official IASCA (International Auto Sound Challenge Association) rulebook of competition, Tonal Accuracy and Spectral Balance is a combination of six characteristics---loudness, pitch, timbre, modulation, duration, and attack and decay. I won't go in-depth on each of these, but will give a brief definition:

Loudness - the magnitude of the sound.
Pitch - the quality of a sound that determines its position on a musical scale.
Timbre - harmonics that give a sound its sonic signature.
Modulation - changes in amplitude, phase, or frequency that occurs in a sound.
Duration - length of time a sound is heard.
Attack and decay - the time it takes a sound to build-up (attack) and die-down (decay).

Listening Position relative to the perceived sound stage:
Basically, in a concert, the musicians are on a stage in front of you, and likely they are well in front of you as you'll be sitting in the audience. Good SQ systems will give the illusion of this same perceived stage being well in front of you. Systems with poor "listening positions" will make you feel like the musicians are in your face, around you rather than in front of you, or even worse, behind you. Remember the goal is to simulate watching and listening to a live performance, and as such there are no musicians beside or behind you. The best systems will give you the impression of the stage being a considerable distance in front of you, as if you were sitting a few rows back in the audience.

Stage Width:
How wide is the sound stage? Car interiors are horrible for good sound reproduction, but we will cover this later on. However, a wide sound stage is an important factor. Bad systems will have almost no width, sounding as if only a center channel speaker is playing. Better systems have well defined left and right stage boundaries, but these boundaries will stay well within the interior of the vehicle.

The best systems will have stage boundaries, which extend BEYOND the physical area of the vehicle, with noticeable sounds that seem to emanate from a location outside the car (like from the side mirrors). The key to getting good width is to do so WITHOUT affecting center imaging, creating a "sonic hole" in the middle of the stage. We shall cover this later.

Stage Height:
Simply, how high is the sound stage? Additionally, is the stage height stable, meaning even height from right to left? When we sit in an audience, we IDEALLY see the musicians slightly above us. Thus, when we try to reproduce the "live performance" feeling in a car, the stage should seem to be in front of us, at eye level OR slightly higher. Too low, and it doesn't seem real, as our focus is skewed downward and we end up looking at the floor to envision the performance. Too high, and we feel like we are "star-gazing" and again, end up focusing on the sun visors or sunroof, again, it is unnatural. Getting the stage height to be stable means you get the picture of, for example, a guitarist at far left, a drummer in the center, and a harmonica far right. The key to a "stable" stage is to get these locations to project at exactly the same height. Often times, a car with an unstable height will portray the center image nicely, but the left and right images will be very noticeably lower, giving us the "rainbow" effect, and thus a mediocre stage height score. Likewise, some cars have frequency-dependant stages, where the high frequencies from the tweeters might be at eye level, the midrange frequencies seem slightly lower, and the midbass and sub bass appear to be coming from the floor. This is also unacceptable, and many factors affect this phenomenon. Some of them are speaker location, resonation of speaker enclosures, coloration caused by standing waves inside the enclosures, and poor equalization and sonic balance. We shall cover each of these in depth shortly. So, we want to see a "stable" sound stage projected at eye level in a proper SQ set-up.

Stage Depth:
Depth and Position to Soundstage ore often mistaken for one another. As discussed, Position to Sound stage pertains to how far in front of the listener the sound stage actually is. Stage Depth pertains to the placement of musicians on the sound stage either in front of or behind one another. Often times, for instance, the drum set will be located "behind" the guitarists, and the vocalist will be in front of these instruments, front and center. Systems with no stage depth will portray a flat sounding, one-dimensional stage where every musician appears to be side by side. Systems with excellent stage depth will give the listener a sense of space between the performers, and you should be able to tell that instruments are being played at different distances from you.

Ambience:
Ambience is that phenomenon that gives you a sense of space around an instrument.

Many people confuse ambience with artificial "surround-sound" echoes meant to add the illusion of music all around you. Every recording contains ambience of some sort, be it a sense of "air" around the instrument or the "sound" of the room the track was recorded in. Using reference recordings where the actual recording room characteristics are known ahead of time, SQ judges can score ambience based on whether the performance "seems" to be played from inside this actual room. For example, there is a track on the '97 IASCA SQ competition CD that was recorded by a single microphone at a level of approximately 20' above the stage, INSIDE a large auditorium. With proper ambience, it should seem like you are in that large auditorium when you listen to this track. THAT is proper ambience, not artificial ambience. Tuning and speaker quality have the most impact on ambience, followed closely by controlling sonic reflections and resonations in the vehicle and speaker placement with proper x/o selection. Some people use ambiently tuned rear fill speakers to try to accomplish this aspect, but in a properly designed and tuned system, rear fill is NOT necessary to acquire excellent ambience.

Imaging:
The sound stage should be looked at in 5 separate sections: Left, left center, center, right center, and right. These are the most common locations on the stage used to evaluate the imaging characteristics of the car. By using reference material, the judges know exactly where the different instruments should be "located" on the stage. A system that images well will have well-defined and focused instruments located exactly where they should be on the sound stage. These images will not wander from their locations, and you could easily close your eyes and point to where each instrument actually is. Many systems exhibit frequency-dependant imaging where as the frequency changes in pitch or scale, the image will move accordingly. This is not good imaging. Likewise, some systems have good left and right imaging, but fail to get a center-stage focus at all. Too many, the center image is the most important location on the stage, and it is easy to tell which cars have good centers and which don't. Speaker placement, path length differences, and proper equalization vastly affect imaging, and to a lesser degree, resonations, reflections, standing waves, and uneven interior surfaces play a role in the imaging characteristics of a system. Again, we will get to these aspects shortly.

Sound Linearity:
How well balanced does the system sound at low, moderate, and high volume? A system with good linearity will sound equally balanced at all three loudness levels, remaining accurate tonally and free of distortion of any kind. This depends mainly on proper gain settings and equalizer tuning, though other factors can possibly affect it.

Absence of noise:
A good SQ system will be a symbience of many factors coming together to provide a performance free of unwanted noises such as speaker pops, alternator whine, ground loop noise, additional noise floor in the form of extra hiss, on/off thumps or pops, and any other form of unwanted noises.

All recordings exhibit a noise floor in the background, it is a byproduct of the recording process that cannot be overlooked and for this reason, only the noise level present in the original recording will be acceptable. Again, several factors affect system noise, and an "avoiding noise" section will deal with them all.

Dynamic Impact:
A superior system should be capable of reproducing the proper "feel" of the music. We need to consider the fact that music has two dimensions --- that which we hear, and that which we feel. If we were to go to a rock concert, sitting front and center, and the drummer decides to go-off on an improve solo while the rest of the band grabs a cold one and some ho-hoes, we are treated to a barrage of dynamic percussion sounds. When facing the stage, we feel the sound waves both in our chest and abdomen as well as on our skin. The bass drum obviously will be the most prominent; however the toms, snare, and even hard cymbal strikes can be felt, and felt easily if the guy is REALLY going off. We can even plug our ears to make this effect more pronounced. Sound is emitted in waves. These waves possess energy levels that are dependant on amplitude (loudness) and the proximity of the listener to the source, thus, we can feel the sound waves as they interact with the touch-receptors in our bodies. Ever flinch or blink upon hearing an abrupt, loud sound? Well, I am not certain of precise figures, but I'll bet it is about 50% due to what we hear, and 50% due to a subconscious physical reaction to "feeling" the sound wave, causing sudden stimulus in our nerve endings. The best car systems are capable of re-creating this sense of dynamics, as it should be "felt" live. And they should do so without feeling percussive waves emanating from rear mounted subs (Yet another topic we will discuss), making us hear the bass player up front, but he feels like he is behind us at the concession stand getting a sausage dog or something.

   
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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1458 on: Jan 15, 2011 at 09:42 PM »
Hi Michbern:

Man, what a system (price and set-up). I assume you have heard the system with your fave music and movies?

I guess at this price range, the system must impress you. Forget about what others think.

There was a system reviewed in the USD 300,000 range. It started by "can you put a price on music that moves the soul?". I hope the system you will have makes it.



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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1459 on: Jan 20, 2011 at 10:26 PM »
praktikal: thanks for the assurance hehe baga palpak ang combination and considering the price   :o will post pics when it arrives. hopefully before march. saan ba ang gallery section? :)


FrancisD: wow USD 300k? mga 1/10 lang yung sa atin so baka 1/10 lang yung quality hehe. I haven't auditioned it with movie, pero yung music ok na. I was really opting to get a velodyne for the sub pero kulit yung nagbebenta, pinupush talaga REL. Anyway, depende na sa area siguro right? I might consider adding another sub?

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1460 on: Jan 22, 2011 at 10:56 AM »
Floorstanding Front Speakers for 10k pair? any suggestions?
for Movies & some music.

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1461 on: Jan 22, 2011 at 04:19 PM »
noob here, ordered the following:

front  - B&W nautilus 804 floorstanding
center - B&W nautilus HtM4d2gb
rear - B&W nautilus 805
sub- REL R-505
DHC80.2 Integra THX PRE PROC
Mcintosh MC205

mga masters any recommendation or comments on this setup?
Got a feedback that B&W is for "amatuers"? true?


 :o Ang ganda sa concert nito!!!

Enjoy!!! :)

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1462 on: Jan 25, 2011 at 08:04 PM »
you should try listening to Polk Audio Sir,,
kahit entry level lang like TSi's. ;)

+1, go for the LSi9s... excellent for a stereo setup!

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1463 on: Feb 18, 2011 at 07:05 AM »
The Satellite Concept

Advantages of Satellite Speakers

Because MK Satellites do not have to reproduce deep bass (thanks to the MK powered subwoofers), those Satellites are optimized to reproduce midrange and highs without size compromises. Each cabinet's front baffle is about the minimum size that will accommodate its drivers, with cabinets optimized in shape to eliminate midbass and midrange problems found in virtually all other speakers.

Best Satellite Location for optimum Imaging


Very few loudspeakers are capable of reproducing fundamental frequencies below 50 Hz. This is made even worse when the speakers are placed in a room, because they are usually set up for the best imaging.
The location with the best imaging is virtually always different from the one that gives the deepest and smoothest bass response. This means that a speaker in that location will not meet its bass specifications, either for low frequency extension or for flatness of response.
With MK Satellite speakers, no compromise is necessary, as the Satellites can be located for optimum imaging, with the Subwoofer located for optimum bass.

MK Satellite Attributes
Our strengths are in our quality of construction and appearance, our long-term reliability, and our sound quality. MK speakers are engineered for excellent transient performance, which we have always considered essential for the accurate reproduction of music. Our superiority in this area becomes even more apparent in home theater, where the overly polite and compressed sound of many speakers will suck the life out of an exciting soundtrack.

MK Satellite speakers produce a very natural, lifelike three-dimensional sound, thanks to their compact cabinet sizes and the transient accuracy of their crossovers. In addition to producing a startlingly real sound with good recordings, this means excellent soundstaging and accurate (unexaggerated) depth.

Advanced Low-Distortion Drivers

The drivers used in MK Satellite speakers have extremely low distortion thanks in great part to their development using a speaker driver measurement technique known as the "two-tone distortion test."
This severe test measures the distortion produced when a driver is fed with a swept signal consisting of two closely-spaced tones. This test has very close correlation to the perception of experienced audiophiles listening to music. It is a breakthrough tool in improving the sound quality of high- performance loudspeakers.

This technique made it possible for MK to develop drivers that go beyond conventional distortion
measurements to accomplish truly superior audible reproduction of musical signals.

« Last Edit: Feb 18, 2011 at 07:09 AM by MK Sound »

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1464 on: Mar 01, 2011 at 06:37 PM »
am trying to set up a home theatre, already ordered onkyo 608, any suggestion for 7.2 speakers?  the room is around 20m2 with acoustic gypsum ceiling board.  thanks in advance... 

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1465 on: Mar 01, 2011 at 06:56 PM »
am trying to set up a home theatre, already ordered onkyo 608, any suggestion for 7.2 speakers?  the room is around 20m2 with acoustic gypsum ceiling board.  thanks in advance... 
dami kang puede pilian sir,from branded (there's whrfedale,polk,b&w,monitor audio,etc) to diy (a audio).check out the audio video sellers thread to demo those speaker.happy hunting  ;D

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1466 on: Mar 01, 2011 at 07:21 PM »
am trying to set up a home theatre, already ordered onkyo 608, any suggestion for 7.2 speakers?  the room is around 20m2 with acoustic gypsum ceiling board.  thanks in advance... 

if you're into movies, you won't go wrong with the polk TSi series, but if you're more into music go for the RTi A series. They'll both go well with your 608.
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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1467 on: Mar 01, 2011 at 07:36 PM »
if you're into movies, you won't go wrong with the polk TSi series, but if you're more into music go for the RTi A series. They'll both go well with your 608.

am into movies, maybe 5% music..  for a 7.2 setup, you need 2 subs?

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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1468 on: Mar 01, 2011 at 08:02 PM »
am into movies, maybe 5% music..  for a 7.2 setup, you need 2 subs?

the TSi will fit the bill if you're more into movies. whether or not to go for dual subs would depend on your room dynamics and listening preference. i think a decent single 12" sub can already fillout the lows for a medium size room. anyhow, why not try using a single sub first, if you think the power is still lacking then go get another one.
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Re: Recommend a Speaker
« Reply #1469 on: Mar 01, 2011 at 10:21 PM »
correct me if im wrong but the .2 indicates the number of sub. so 7.1 means one sub and 7.2 means 2.