Topic: Panasonic 42pv70H Rocks!!!

[ledrahc]

  thanks for the input sir.
will try your suggestion.. just got the same unit (Pio and Pana combo) from sir Vic last week. ntayin ko lang matapos yung 100 hrs breakin period para sigurado.. hehe

again, thanks a lot

[kt]

fnvillafuerte laki ba diffrence pag sa 1080p n 720p? i just set it to 1080p n havent tried the other settings pa. for what ba yung HDMI color like the full RGB n the others options pa? tnx

[fnvillafuerte]

thanks for the input sir.
will try your suggestion.. just got the same unit (Pio and Pana combo) from sir Vic last week. ntayin ko lang matapos yung 100 hrs breakin period para sigurado.. hehe

again, thanks a lot

O sir, no problem.  I was so excited I have no time to wait for 100 hours, hataw na agad ako sa normal viewing!    I even upgraded my SkyCable to Digibox last week para semi-HD na ang tv viewing ko, hehe!!   

IMHO, today's plasma, particularly our 10th gen panels are so well engineered already that the previous issues haunting the previous gens are already solved, hence break-in procedures are no longer relevant.  Pansinin nyo yung user manual natin, there is not a word about "break-in" and the like... kasi kung kelangan talaga yun, dapat may clear instructions and warning dun sa manual.  May warning lang against displaying static image for a long time...  Pero, ok lang naman kung ibre-break-in nyo pa rin, wala naman siguro mawawala, nagkataon lang na atat nako at di makapaghintay e, hehehe!!! 

[fnvillafuerte]

fnvillafuerte laki ba diffrence pag sa 1080p n 720p? i just set it to 1080p n havent tried the other settings pa. for what ba yung HDMI color like the full RGB n the others options pa? tnx

May difference sya, pero di kasing laki ng difference from 480p/i component to 720p HDMI.  Mas pino ung 1080p kesa 720p, pero pangit ung pagkapino, parang over-processed kasi ung mga edges masyado ng sharp... try mo lalo na pagmedjo lumaapit ka sa display... Yung 720p balanced lang anh pagka sharp nya, well focused.

Yung HDMI color, laki diff pag Full RGB, lumalim yung blacks and the color is very vibrant, pero hindi yung matingkad na masakit sa mata.  Whereas, pag yung RGB lang or Composite, mapusyaw ang kulay at mababaw yung blacks.  If you use RGB or composite kelangan mo pang mag tweak sa video settings ng DV600 player para habulin yung quality na inilalabas ng full RGB.

[barrister]

This is now the longest flat panel thread on this forum.  Unbelievable! 

I'm sure LCD is still more popular outside of pinoydvd, but I never thought I would see the day when plasma would be more popular than LCD in this forum. 

The most popular used to be the Samsung LCD.  But it was quicly overtaken by the Panasonic Vieras.  I have a feeling puro kay Nemesis91 yata napunta ang mga benta nito ah. 

[fnvillafuerte]

...I'm sure LCD is still more popular outside of pinoydvd, but I never thought I would see the day when plasma would be more popular than LCD in this forum....

Agree with you sir.  I used to be an LCD'ist but later after countless side by side comparisons, unti unti I realized na mas ok pala ang plasma... yun nga lang, ang plasma kasi kelangan ng meticulous adjustment para lumabas ang full potential ng image quality nya.  Whereas yung LCD, simple lang, basta i-crank up mo lang yung contrast at brightness nya parang buhay na buhay sya kasi makulay, pero pagpinanooran mo na nag matagal "nakakapagod" sa mata.  Parang yung tunog ng stereo sa mga jeep, pag unang sakay mo sarap pakinggan lakas bass at kalansing, pero after a while, nakakairita na... hehehe, layo 'no, anu konek?!? Ang plasma, pag properly set-up and calibrated, very cinematic at film-like yung images.

[barrister]

Parang yung tunog ng stereo sa mga jeep, pag unang sakay mo sarap pakinggan lakas bass at kalansing, pero after a while, nakakairita na... hehehe, layo 'no, anu konek?!?

   Konek na na konek nga, bosing.  Magandang analogy nga iyan, actually. 

[khaydlc]

This is now the longest flat panel thread on this forum.  Unbelievable! 

I'm sure LCD is still more popular outside of pinoydvd, but I never thought I would see the day when plasma would be more popular than LCD in this forum. 

The most popular used to be the Samsung LCD.  But it was quicly overtaken by the Panasonic Vieras.  I have a feeling puro kay Nemesis91 yata napunta ang mga benta nito ah. 

marami rami din po kaming bumili kay E-reply

[boybi]

I also bought a Pio DV-600 this afternoon. Will try your settings. Thanks for sharing!

I bought Pioneer DV-600AV-S last Friday to upgrade from Pioneer DV-393AV-S.  I paired this new player with my recently bought Panasonic 42PV70 plasma.  I experimented with various video setting in the DV-600 player and here are my impressions:

1.  I got the best image quality if player is set to 720P via HDMI and HDMI color is set to full RGB.
2.  The 1080P via HDMI setting yields an "over-processed" video quality.  This may be due to multiple video conversion; the player upconverts to 1080P, then the plasma tv downconverts to 720P to meet its 720P native resolution.
3.  Any progressive settings seems to have better image quality than the interlace settings.

The player's video settings were adjusted to "0" or default, but the BNR (Block Noise Reduction) was set to 'Yes".  Video setting were done on the display only.  This is to minimize over processing of the video image.

For reference by users of Pana 42PV70, here are my display's video settings:
      a.  Mode: Cinema
      b.  Contrast: 70
      c.  Brightness: 64
      d.  Color: 38
      e.  Sharpness: 70
      f.  Color Temp: Cool
      g.  All other setting are left untouched in default.

For the plasma calibration, I used Sound and Video Essentials (by Ovation) set-up DVD.  I used Finding Nemo, Pearl Harbor, the DTS Demo Disc 6 and 8 to validate the calibration.  I did not follow the 100 (or 200) hours break-in period for plasma because this 10th generation plasma panel does not need break-in period anymore.

I had a chance to compare 480P via component (using my old DV-393 player) vs 480P via HDMI (using this new DV-600 player).  I say that there is a very distinct video image improvement via HDMI, more so if its 720P via HDMI!  The 720P HDMI produced video with vibrant colors, very deep blacks and sharp, well focused images.  Its almost HD-quality already!

Overall, I may conclude that the Pio DV-600 and Pana 42PV70 is a perfect tandem, truly bang for the buck!  For now, I'll settle for this tandem while waiting for the winner in the on-going HD format war...

[barrister]

marami rami din po kaming bumili kay E-reply  

Ah, yes. Also a good seller.

[tetablanco]

I also bought a Pio DV-600 this afternoon. Will try your settings. Thanks for sharing!

Although I checked out the Pio DV-600, I finally settled on the LG DV-246K which I got from S&R for around P2450.  After keying in a code I got from the web, my player is now region-free.  Even if the player only outputs at 480p, I noticed that the 42PV70's Vreal2 internal scaler did a superb job in upscaling the video.  Details and colors are amazing.  Not bad for a player that sells for less than half the price of a DV-600.

I'm reserving my HDMI port for a dedicated HD DVD player that I intend to buy soon.  After getting a Rocketfish HDMI cable from Sir Kelly / electrohaus_lp, I'm just waiting for a good deal on an HD DVD player.  Till then and after break-in period, I'll just do my HD DVD video viewing via the XBOX 360...

 

[fnvillafuerte]

.....Even if the player only outputs at 480p, I noticed that the 42PV70's Vreal2 internal scaler did a superb job in upscaling the video.  Details and colors are amazing.  Not bad for a player that sells for less than half the price of a DV-600...

Yes, I noticed that also when I am outputting 480P via component using my old Pio DV-393, the upscaled video was very good.  But as I compare it with DV-600's 720P via HDMI, the video got better particularly on the black levels.  The improved black level is maybe the reason why I perceived a better video.  I dunno if the Pio DV-600 handles black levels better than the Pana 42PV70's internal scaler?  Or Maybe because the DV-600 has option for setting the HDMI color, which can improve the black level and color, the Pana has no option like this.

[kt]

May difference sya, pero di kasing laki ng difference from 480p/i component to 720p HDMI.  Mas pino ung 1080p kesa 720p, pero pangit ung pagkapino, parang over-processed kasi ung mga edges masyado ng sharp... try mo lalo na pagmedjo lumaapit ka sa display... Yung 720p balanced lang anh pagka sharp nya, well focused.

Yung HDMI color, laki diff pag Full RGB, lumalim yung blacks and the color is very vibrant, pero hindi yung matingkad na masakit sa mata.  Whereas, pag yung RGB lang or Composite, mapusyaw ang kulay at mababaw yung blacks.  If you use RGB or composite kelangan mo pang mag tweak sa video settings ng DV600 player para habulin yung quality na inilalabas ng full RGB.

tnx bro! so if set sa Full RGB, u need to tweak sa video settings ng dv600? what settings sa dv600 yun dapat chek ko? how about if sa settings ng pv70 nalng?

[Nemesis91]

42pv70 pa din ang mabenta! it still rocks up to now.

[mykel18]

Pwede ba ang 1080p sa 42pv70 gamit xbox360? Kasi wala lumilitaw sa akin eh.

[tetablanco]

Pwede ba ang 1080p sa 42pv70 gamit xbox360? Kasi wala lumilitaw sa akin eh.

Can't comment on the 1080p since I'll be using the Xbox 360 for HD DVD viewing when I'm done with the recommended 100+-hour break-in period.  However, I strongly advise against using the 1080p setting on the Xbox 360.  The 360's 3RL problem was partly traced to GPU overheating caused by outputting at 1080p.

[fnvillafuerte]

tnx bro! so if set sa Full RGB, u need to tweak sa video settings ng dv600? what settings sa dv600 yun dapat chek ko? how about if sa settings ng pv70 nalng?

No sir.  Pag FULL RGB ang setting ng HDMI color ng Pio600, you can leave the Pio600's video settings in default, except you have to set its BNR to yes.  Sa Plasma ka na lang mag tweak ng settings, you may follow my PV70 settings as a start-up, i-fine tune mo na lang in your liking. 

Pag RGB lang or Composite ang pinili mong setting ng HDMI color ng Pio600, you need to tweak also the Pio600's video setting para medyo mahabol mo yung ganda ng FULL RGB.  Mas preferred gamitin yung FULL RGB para default lang ang Pio600.  In this way, di masyadong nao-over processed yung original image kasi sa Plasma ka na lang magti-tweak.

[edu1216]

Can't comment on the 1080p since I'll be using the Xbox 360 for HD DVD viewing when I'm done with the recommended 100+-hour break-in period.  However, I strongly advise against using the 1080p setting on the Xbox 360.  The 360's 3RL problem was partly traced to GPU overheating caused by outputting at 1080p.

Hindi ba dapat it can support 1080p regardless of the source since the 42pv70 is supposed to be 1080p capable already?

[mykel18]

@ edu1216

yun nga din ang alam ko kaso pag try ko 1080p na wala na lumilitaw o matagal lang talaga lumitaw. kasi pag select ko na 1080p sa xbox blank na yung screen pero may sound. pano kaya yun? di naman ako maglalaro in 1080p gusto ko lang makita ang difference between 720p, 1080i and 1080p. sana may makatulong sa akin kung ano gagawin.

@ Nemesis91

Sir Jeff baka may maadvise kayo kung pano 1080p sa xbox 360 using 42pv70. Bought my 42pv70 at your shop in Trinoma.

[jeyps11_c]

Ang alam ko even if 1080p capable ang display tapos gamitan mo ng 1080p source you'll only get the native resolution (or 1080i highest). In your case mykel, dapat nga meron lumalabas na display but a lower resolution (not 1080p). Pero baka hindi pa 1080p capable ang pv70???

Additional inquiry kay Sir Jeff and Sir Paul:

I am planning on buying a 2nd display. I'm eyeing a 40"-42" display and my first choice is the 42p70 becasue of the great feedback from those who bought this unit. Kaso I would like to buy a 1080p native resolution display (para sa PS3 ko). Should I wait for the 1080p prices to go down (under 100K) in 2008 or just go and buy a 42pv70 and pair with my PS3?

[Nemesis91]

@ edu1216

yun nga din ang alam ko kaso pag try ko 1080p na wala na lumilitaw o matagal lang talaga lumitaw. kasi pag select ko na 1080p sa xbox blank na yung screen pero may sound. pano kaya yun? di naman ako maglalaro in 1080p gusto ko lang makita ang difference between 720p, 1080i and 1080p. sana may makatulong sa akin kung ano gagawin.

@ Nemesis91

Sir Jeff baka may maadvise kayo kung pano 1080p sa xbox 360 using 42pv70. Bought my 42pv70 at your shop in Trinoma.

Sir yung Xbox 360 di pa 1080p sir 1080i lang. The 1080p is the Xbox Elite, the pv70 automatically accepts 1080p signal when the source is 1080p sir.

[tetablanco]

actually, even the non-elite xbox 360s (w/o HDMI) can display 1080p through component (for games) and VGA (for games and movies). it really depends on the LCD/PLASMA TV if it accepts 1080p signals via its component and/or VGA inputs. the prob is that the x360 is known for GPU overheating especially when using a res of 1080p so most x360 users content themselves w/ 720p for games and movies instead.

[Nemesis91]

Ang alam ko even if 1080p capable ang display tapos gamitan mo ng 1080p source you'll only get the native resolution (or 1080i highest). In your case mykel, dapat nga meron lumalabas na display but a lower resolution (not 1080p). Pero baka hindi pa 1080p capable ang pv70???

Additional inquiry kay Sir Jeff and Sir Paul:

I am planning on buying a 2nd display. I'm eyeing a 40"-42" display and my first choice is the 42p70 becasue of the great feedback from those who bought this unit. Kaso I would like to buy a 1080p native resolution display (para sa PS3 ko). Should I wait for the 1080p prices to go down (under 100K) in 2008 or just go and buy a 42pv70 and pair with my PS3?

Mga november next year 2008 baka bumaba na ang 1920x1080p.

[Nemesis91]

actually, even the non-elite xbox 360s (w/o HDMI) can display 1080p through component (for games) and VGA (for games and movies). it really depends on the LCD/PLASMA TV if it accepts 1080p signals via its component and/or VGA inputs. the prob is that the x360 is known for GPU overheating especially when using a res of 1080p so most x360 users content themselves w/ 720p for games and movies instead.

Correct ka dian, kaya 3RL na Xbox ko hehehehe...
by the way 1080p capable yung 42pv70, im using PS3 at this unit at 1080p signal.

[mykel18]

@ tetablanco

baka yung pv70 hindi nagaccept ng 1080p signal thru composite. baka hdmi lang siguro. ano po sa tingin nyo? kasi blank talaga sya pag try ko 1080p eh.

[fnvillafuerte]

@ tetablanco

baka yung pv70 hindi nagaccept ng 1080p signal thru composite. baka hdmi lang siguro. ano po sa tingin nyo?....

Natumbok mo pare!  Malinaw itong nabanggit sa user manual ng 42PV70...   

[tetablanco]

i think you mean component input not composite... yep. probably means that the pv70 doesn't accept a 1080p signal through this input, only thru HDMI but you can also try the vga input.

[khaydlc]

Hi everyone! I am new here and this is my first post also. Does anybody know the difference between 42pv70H and 42pv70MT?

Any input mga pdvd guru?

[Nemesis91]

Hi everyone! I am new here and this is my first post also. Does anybody know the difference between 42pv70H and 42pv70MT?

Country yan sir, H for Hong Kong, S singapore and MT Malaysia/Thailand. Madami pa for other country but basically the unit is the same.
Kung sakali meron P- Philippines yan, kaso wala tayong factory dito Aircon lang
 hehehe...

[fnvillafuerte]

Country yan sir, H for Hong Kong, S singapore and MT Malaysia/Thailand. Madami pa for other country but basically the unit is the same.....

Ay ganun pala 'yun... Pero sir, bakit yung 42PV70 ko, "MT" sya pero it says sa likod "Made in Singapore" date manufactured Sept 2007?  Bakit hindi "S" yung unit ko?  Ibig sabihin ba nito for Malaysia/Thai yung unit ko pero gawa ito sa Singapore?

Thanks!