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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1170 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 08:47 AM »
HAPPY BIRTHDAY sir mark!  ;)  ;D

thanks for the cool party!  ;D and EB!
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1171 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 08:54 AM »
Hanep ang details at pq and clarity ng EDUCATIONAL video ;D ;D

i think that was the best educational video on all of the EBs at sir mark's place! ;)

colors are very accurate, sharpness was very evident and the details were  :o ! ;)
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1172 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 08:58 AM »
Happy Birthday !!!
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1173 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 10:06 AM »
Had a blast yesterday! Up to now I'm still overwhelmed, having met the King of Philippine HT and the Legends of pinoydvd. Sir streetsmart's system is really great, I now have a very clear reference from which to tailor my a/v system. The NMT shootout was quite a revelation, everybody was surprised at the results, which as sir Mark said is still unofficial. Si gaol talagang masusurprise!

Very educational ang video calibration & PQ lectures ni sir Mark. But I seriously doubt if anybody saw the last example of edge enhancement, dun kasi lahat nakatingin sa "center" ng image.  ;D

To bassnut thanks for the NOYNOY straps!

Thanks for the invite and HAPPY BIRTHDAY again sir Mark! Nice meeting you all guys!
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1174 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 10:13 AM »
happy bday sir mark!!!


and the winner is.......  ;D

...Onkyo606 for best MJ moves!  ;D
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1175 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 11:38 AM »
...Onkyo606 for best MJ moves!  ;D

definitely!

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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1176 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 11:43 AM »
I'm curious to know the title of the educational video  ;D
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1177 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 11:56 AM »
Had a blast yesterday! Up to now I'm still overwhelmed, having met the King of Philippine HT and the Legends of pinoydvd. Sir streetsmart's system is really great, I now have a very clear reference from which to tailor my a/v system. The NMT shootout was quite a revelation, everybody was surprised at the results, which as sir Mark said is still unofficial. Si gaol talagang masusurprise!

Very educational ang video calibration & PQ lectures ni sir Mark. But I seriously doubt if anybody saw the last example of edge enhancement, dun kasi lahat nakatingin sa "center" ng image.  ;D

To bassnut thanks for the NOYNOY straps!

Thanks for the invite and HAPPY BIRTHDAY again sir Mark! Nice meeting you all guys!

Can't wait for the official results! Mukhang lahat na-surprise hehe  ;D

Sayang na-miss ko yung educational video na yan.  ....

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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1178 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 11:59 AM »
brader sumayaw ala MJ  ;) anong ang tugtog thriller  :)

yung itsura ko pang thriller pero yung sayaw eh billie jean ;D ;D ;D
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1179 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 12:01 PM »
...Onkyo606 for best MJ moves!  ;D

ayosssssssss, wag ng ulitin yun ah hahahahahahahah
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1180 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 12:02 PM »
definitely!

ayun pa ang isa oh ;D ;D ;D

maykel jakston yata eh ;D
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1181 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 12:05 PM »
I'm curious to know the title of the educational video  ;D

parang "Edge Enhancement on the Center" hehehehehe meron ba n un
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1182 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM »
Happy Birthday sir Mark ... and tons of thanks for another wonderful meet which we all agreed was educational.. very nice to meet our buddies too.. priceless moments indeed  

the "edge enhancement" was still sticky inside my very old memory cells  :D.. quite revealing including the "depth of field"  ;D

bro Tirso, where do you want me to post the captured MJ dance ? sa favorite thread ko?... hahahahaha.. joke only  ;)
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1183 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 01:14 PM »

Happy B-day again sir Mark! and thanks for inviting me over. I have to admit nahirapan ako sa blind test . . . except dun sa first scene w/ Players 1 & 2.

Congrats sa PJ . . . panalo ang upgrade!

Nice seeing you all guys again & having a chat w/ you.

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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1184 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 04:04 PM »
Happy Birthday sir Mark ... and tons of thanks for another wonderful meet which we all agreed was educational.. very nice to meet our buddies too.. priceless moments indeed  

the "edge enhancement" was still sticky inside my very old memory cells  :D.. quite revealing including the "depth of field"  ;D

bro Tirso, where do you want me to post the captured MJ dance ? sa favorite thread ko?... hahahahaha.. joke only  ;)

pwede kaya sa youtube doc fer baka sakaling ma discover ako  ;D ;D ;D ;D

sayang at may dinaanan ka pa mahaba sanag wentuhan kung nakasabay ako sa yo ;)
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1185 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:07 PM »
The blind test involved the pq of 5 media players:

1. WDTV (1st generation version)
2. Popcorn C200
3. eGreat 31B
4. Mede8er
5. Xtreamer

The Popcorn and the Mede8er were kindly provided by our good friend @Gren from eHome.

We figured that this was already a pretty good representation of the players in the market.

We tried our best to make the blind test as objective and scientific as possible. We had 5 hard drives connected to the 5 players. The players were then connected to an HDMI switcher (c/o @pchin, thanks!) and then output to the Denon AVR and then the projector.

We selected "27 Dresses" as the test movie because it has a lot of scenes with natural lighting, along with greenery, dark scenes and fast motion. The movie was 720p/24 and the players upscaled this to 1080p/24. No external video processing was used so the raw data was sent to the projector.
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1186 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:14 PM »
The first major problem we had was that every now and then, the eGreat would just die by itself. After a long time, we realized that the remote of the Mede8er was somehow affecting the eGreat so we separated the eGreat from the other players and that solved the problem.

The way we did the test was that we determined the time of the scene to be tested (there were 3 different scenes, with a variety of video challenges -- natural light, dark scenes, motion, buildings, greenery). We then decided on the sequence of the players and cued the players to all play at the same time, but with a 2 minute difference between players, and then we paused the players.

We ran the first player and then called the guys in from outside the room. The first player had a 1 minute gap before the actual start of the scene. When the scene started, we put the 4 other players on "play".

The big problem was that for whatever reason, whenever we put the Mede8er on pause, it would not start properly. After a while, we decided that the only way to include the Mede8er in the test would be to have it as the first player for all 3 scenes. Otherwise, we randomly mixed the sequence of the players. Only the Mede8er was fixed as always the first player.
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1187 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:16 PM »
We used 6 criteria for the blind test:

1. Sharpness
2. Detail
3. Motion stutter
4. Color accuracy
5. Color saturation
6. Edge enhancement

There was a brief lecture on each of the criteria before the start of the test. People left the room, we set up the scene and then brought the people back in. This was repeated for each of the 3 scenes.
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1188 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:19 PM »
There were 17 members who participated in the blind test:

1. Jazzy Jake
2. Blackie
3. Anchit
4. Jay2
5. Stickfighter
6. JohnE.
7. Esi
8. Alvinh
9. Gunblade977
10. Juancho
11. Nogie
12. Gaol
13. markcrenz
14. Mike C
15. Dts-HD 3D
16. Setup
17. Pchin

Aside from these guys, the others in the EB were myself, Iiinas, bass_nut (late dumating) and Zedric (also late).
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1189 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:22 PM »
The scoring was 1-5, with 5 being the best. The results were quite surprising. The average scores were as follows:

1. WDTV (the 1st generation!) -- 4.40
2. Xtreamer -- 4.37
3. eGreat 31b -- 4.29
4. Popcorn Hour C200 -- 4.26
5. Mede8er 4.06
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1190 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:27 PM »
Wow dapat pala nagpadala tayo ng WD TV Live, at least mas updated vs the 1st gen but I wonder if their PQ is the same!  Galing ng Xtreamer ah
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1191 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:29 PM »
After the blind test, we explained that the Mede8er was always the first player and many people commented that the first player has a disadvantage because people come from outside (bright place) and come into the theater (dark place) so your eyes take time to adjust.

I think this may be the main reason why the Mede8er placed poorly. Just today, Alvinthx2 and myself reviewed the Mede8er vs. the Xtreamer with the same scenes and frankly, we could hardly tell the difference.

In fact, most people had the same comment. In a blind test, it was nearly impossible to tell the difference in quality between players.

My personal conclusion: The current crop of media players have nearly equal pq. Their main differences will be in their menu, boot-up speed, stability, navigation, etc. Based on this, the 1st gen WDTV (which won the blind test) actually sucks, particularly for navigation but insofar as pq is concerned, I think that all media players are virtually equal in quality.
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1192 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:30 PM »
Wow dapat pala nagpadala tayo ng WD TV Live, at least mas updated vs the 1st gen but I wonder if their PQ is the same!  Galing ng Xtreamer ah

@Macdon was supposed to bring a WD TV Live but on the day of the EB, nagkasakit sya so I had to use my WD TV, 1st gen. E kahit 1st gen, nanalo pa rin!  ;D
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1193 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:44 PM »
@Macdon was supposed to bring a WD TV Live but on the day of the EB, nagkasakit sya so I had to use my WD TV, 1st gen. E kahit 1st gen, nanalo pa rin!  ;D

yung WD TV po ba ang ginamit dun sa educational movie?? ang linaw eh lahat ng angulo kita ;D ;D ;D
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1194 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:47 PM »
Salamat sa laht ng bumati sa akin. Actually, si Iiinas ang may kasalanan na sumabay ang EB sa birthday ko, kasi yun lang ang date na available sya and sya ang main assistant ko.  ;D ;D

Salamat din kay @markcrenz, who became the Kristo. Pustahan kasi kung ano player manalo. Wala naman pumusta sa WDTV so ang nanalo ay ang pumusta sa Xtreamer.

Salamat kay @onkyo606 who was also an overall assistant.

Salamat kay @JohnE. who was the bartender.  ;D ;D
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1195 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 07:48 PM »
yung WD TV po ba ang ginamit dun sa educational movie?? ang linaw eh lahat ng angulo kita ;D ;D ;D

Honestly, Mede8er ginamit sa educational movie. Baka yun ang forte nya.  ;D ;D
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1196 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 08:13 PM »
hi sir mark. excellent write up. please allow me to post in the nmt section by copying your posts. i will try to get some pictures of the players too. kahit from the net na.

 ;)

btw, after the 2.2 firmware of xtreamer. the gamma thingy selection of xtreamer is now two, 4.4.2. and 4.4.4.

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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1197 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 08:17 PM »
Another successful EB!!!

Thanks and Happy Birthday to sir Mark for graciously hosting this EB.

EB's in sir Mark's place is always full of substance because we always have a set objective.

Also the new PJ is awesome!

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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1198 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 08:23 PM »
hi sir mark. excellent write up. please allow me to post in the nmt section by copying your posts. i will try to get some pictures of the players too. kahit from the net na.

 ;)

btw, after the 2.2 firmware of xtreamer. the gamma thingy selection of xtreamer is now two, 4.4.2. and 4.4.4.

 ;)

Syempre ok. Yun nga ang objective natin. We wanted to learn something ... and I think we achieved that.

With regard to the Xtreamer, you might be talking about the color space. I noticed that it uses YCbCr 4:4:4, which is supposed to be the best. FWIW, the Mede8er uses the same color space.
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Re: My dream theater (new pj on page 36)
« Reply #1199 on: Feb 28, 2010 at 08:25 PM »
Salamat sa laht ng bumati sa akin. Actually, si Iiinas ang may kasalanan na sumabay ang EB sa birthday ko, kasi yun lang ang date na available sya and sya ang main assistant ko.  ;D ;D

Salamat din kay @markcrenz, who became the Kristo. Pustahan kasi kung ano player manalo. Wala naman pumusta sa WDTV so ang nanalo ay ang pumusta sa Xtreamer.

Salamat kay @onkyo606 who was also an overall assistant.Salamat kay @JohnE. who was the bartender.  ;D ;D

at MJ dancer, Macho Jancer ;D ;D ;D ;D
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