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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #450 on: Dec 04, 2009 at 11:37 PM »
there are 2 kinds of patent, utility model, and invention. utility model lasts only for 5 years while invention lasts for 20 yrs.

 kailangan may novelty search sa lahat ng country kung wala sa Pilipinas nag file it means open patent..

source: IPO philippines :)
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« Reply #451 on: Dec 05, 2009 at 10:26 AM »
nice work master!
sayang wala pa yang mga bolang crystal na yan last week nung kinuha ko ang proac clones.
thanks again sa a-audio floorstanders, another satisfied costumer here!



balik ako sa inyo minsan sir.

thank you, sir! enjoy your new gear ;)

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« Reply #452 on: Dec 06, 2009 at 10:28 AM »
 my new speaker creation...  :o :o







15" coaxial speaker
95db
400 watts





6 1/2 " coaxial speaker
85db

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« Reply #453 on: Dec 06, 2009 at 11:02 AM »
sir mac! mag order na ba ako ng paborito mong pansit malabon at beer in can mamaya? hehe

Mga sir ready for audition na!
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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #454 on: Dec 06, 2009 at 11:56 AM »
Huwaw!  :o

Punta ako tonight bro ;D

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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #455 on: Dec 06, 2009 at 02:31 PM »



my new speaker creation...  :o :o







15" coaxial speaker
95db
400 watts


Huwaw!  :o

Punta ako tonight bro ;D

Brader Macdon..... kwento na lang muna at hindi ako makakasabay syo sa pag audition ng bago creation ni sir anthony!  ;) :)
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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #456 on: Dec 06, 2009 at 06:45 PM »
sir just got ONKYO TX-SR607 receiver recently. i'm planning to pair it with Polk Tsi or Mission MV series sana kasi ito daw yung best match with this amp. kaya lang medyo mahal para sa akin. i'm hearing a lot with your Proac Response 2.5 clones na bukod sa mura na e, at par pa raw sa mga branded ones :). tanong ko lang sana kung ano yung best line of speakers mo sir na babagay sa bago kong baby hehehe. i can't decide pa rin kung anong best buy para sa akin, fs ba o bs. i lalagay ko kasi ito sa sala na mga 12-15sqm lang. hindi po ba overkill ang fs dito. sir hope you could give me a good deal, para naman ma-feel ko na rin pano maging "audiophile" hehehe. salamat sir. congrats sa mga creations mo. hulog ka ng langit sa katulad naming kapus palad  ;D

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« Reply #457 on: Dec 06, 2009 at 07:39 PM »


Brader Macdon..... kwento na lang muna at hindi ako makakasabay syo sa pag audition ng bago creation ni sir anthony!  ;) :)

Will do brader ;D


sir just got ONKYO TX-SR607 receiver recently. i'm planning to pair it with Polk Tsi or Mission MV series sana kasi ito daw yung best match with this amp. kaya lang medyo mahal para sa akin. i'm hearing a lot with your Proac Response 2.5 clones na bukod sa mura na e, at par pa raw sa mga branded ones :). tanong ko lang sana kung ano yung best line of speakers mo sir na babagay sa bago kong baby hehehe. i can't decide pa rin kung anong best buy para sa akin, fs ba o bs. i lalagay ko kasi ito sa sala na mga 12-15sqm lang. hindi po ba overkill ang fs dito. sir hope you could give me a good deal, para naman ma-feel ko na rin pano maging "audiophile" hehehe. salamat sir. congrats sa mga creations mo. hulog ka ng langit sa katulad naming kapus palad  ;D

Mr. Heartbreak - Anthony is also using an Onkyo in his HT showroom, so its best to just go visit him to audition the multitude of speaker he offers. His showroom is 3.5m x 6m, so its about double your space - I'm sure you could easily find a speaker set that would be satisfying to your ears.

If you cant decide if either FS or BS - try his D2. Its a bigger BS speaker that houses a 6.5" driver. I'm sure it would be more than enough for your needs ;)

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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #458 on: Dec 06, 2009 at 08:49 PM »
sir macdon thanks for the prompt response. however, my time may not permit me go to his place at once because of my work. for the meantime, abang2 na lang muna ako ng mga advice dito sa thread just like yours. btw, D2 ba yung pinaka-dabest na BS ni sir? proac clone din ba ito? sorry i'm not familiar kasi. thanks

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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #459 on: Dec 07, 2009 at 05:01 AM »
DIY Master Anthony's 15" Coaxial Speaker: a small review

Since it has no name yet - lets just call it "15 Coax" for the meantime. But for some reason the word "serenade" keeps popping in my mind :D ;D I wonder why ::)

Last night's evaluation came as a planned preliminary evaluation of both his 15" Coax as well as his 10" Coaxial with a chrome ball, which I guess we can call "planeta" - again, I wonder why ;D It was also an opportunity to return some stuff to Anthony as well as to check on some projects that I wanted done.

For the informal review, we used 2 amps:
a) Vintage Fisher X-100 all tube integrated amp
b) Modified Sakura AV-200T hybrid integrated amp

For a source, we used his Sony CDP-X5000
http://sites.thestar.com.my/audio/story.asp?file=/1997/6/12sony

For the software - this was really a timely review as earlier in the afternoon I went to What HiFi in MCS & scored 14 CDs for my collection. Might as well use them for the evaluation.

But before I go rambling into the review - here's something that greeted me when I walked in Anthony's HT showroom ;D



Hmmm......tsalap tsalap ;D


Fisher X-100

Anthony mentioned that the 15" Coax driver has a 95db sensitivity and that housing it in an enclosure will yield an even higher sensitivity for the speaker. With that in mind, the Fisher's 16watts x 2 should be able to drive those 15s fine.
At about 10 o'clock volume, the speakers easily filled his 22sqm HT room with above average listening levels that if you open his HT door, we could possibly awaken some of his neighbors.

But if these neighbors get startled from their sleep - they will be serenaded with a melodic realism that closely resembles "live" music. Each timbre & tone seems like it has an airy space surrounding them in presenting a holographic image of the performers just a few feet in front of you. While it embodies the same characteristics as any good decent speaker like imaging, detail and spaciousness - it still adds a bit more in its soundstage & aura making you part of the music - which provides a very enchanting experience.
To be honest, I was more engulfed in enjoying the music than doing any critical listening.

Physics does play a large amount in this experience & having a large driver does present you with a fuller spectrum of sound that is lacking in conventional/smaller drivers. The absence of any complicated crossover network in its design, while not only gives you a higher sensitivity but also shows the quality of your gears in an almost pure form.
This was very evident in using the Sakura AV-200T Hybrid amp.

Sakura AV-200T 

I've always wondered why Anthony replaced his Fisher X-100 with the modified Sakura - which actually made me borrow one from him a few weeks ago.
In tonight's review, the Sakura did have a slightly more powerful presentation but sound became analytical & thin sounding (manipis). Whatever dynamic realism we felt when using the Fisher was gone & bass even became non-existent. In short, no soul.
After listening to this Sakura for about 2 songs, we swapped it back to his Fisher amp.

Granted that Anthony was having issues with his fisher amp - this event surely enticed him to having it fixed
and restored back to its pristine condition.
Anthony figured that issues coming from his Fisher amp did make some bass notes a bit bloated and sometimes boomy.

10" Coax - "Planeta"   

While I've envisioned this as a novel idea - it was just that, a novel idea.
It sounded good, but laid back in such a way that the singer is behind the speaker.
Due to the dispersion, there was no imaging and most likely a perfect design for ambiance/background music.
A possible solid (than hollow) ball could be experimented on or maybe use the 10" drivers just like the 15" coax design. Anyway, I think Anthony plans on using them as surround speakers for his HT instead.



I will continue with the rest of the review by tomorrow - antok na ako eh :P


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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #460 on: Dec 07, 2009 at 08:48 AM »
Sakura AV-200T  

I've always wondered why Anthony replaced his Fisher X-100 with the modified Sakura - which actually made me borrow one from him a few weeks ago.
In tonight's review, the Sakura did have a slightly more powerful presentation but sound became analytical & thin sounding (manipis). Whatever dynamic realism we felt when using the Fisher was gone & bass even became non-existent. In short, no soul.
After listening to this Sakura for about 2 songs, we swapped it back to his Fisher amp.



nail on sakura's coffin? o kulang lang sa burn-in/break-in  ::)
« Last Edit: Dec 07, 2009 at 08:54 AM by ojof00l »

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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #461 on: Dec 07, 2009 at 12:06 PM »

nail on sakura's coffin? o kulang lang sa burn-in/break-in  ::)

Hindi naman cguro - the Sakura is still the cheapest amp at 3.5k - but compared to other amps, it has its limitations.
Unfortunately, we only had 2 amps in our evaluation last night and just between the 2 amps - we preferred his vintage Fisher amp.

There are still many ways to improve the Sakura - tube rolling & possibly more parts upgrades is what I can think of at the moment, but this also hikes the price considerably.

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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #462 on: Dec 07, 2009 at 01:50 PM »
Continuing with the review...........

The 15" Coax would have the following features:

a) Driver -15" treated paper cone with a separate 3/4" tweeter positioned in the middle for a single point source unit. Paper cones presents a very natural/neutral sound.
According to Anthony, various tweeters could be used and housed in various positions as well - recessed back or moved a bit forward.

b) Enclosure - a Voigt enclosure that amplifies the sound waves. More info forthcoming from Anthony.

c) Attenuation circuit - a very nice feature. Due to different recordings, one can actually increase or decrease the output of the tweeter to their liking.


Size

If there would be a downside to this project, I guess it would have to be its physical size. Having a footprint of 19" x 20" and a height of 31" will limit its positioning in your home. Having good sounds do come with certain sacrifices that we undertake for that journey to audio nirvana ;D

Gears

With the speaker having a high sensitivity, I would certainly like to hear them on various flea/small powered amps - T-amp, gainclones, vintage, SET tube amps, etc. something that has about 10-20watts per channel would be a good start.
so if you have those amps gathering dust in a closet - you might like to get them out to try ;)



Conclusion:

Inspite of the quirky Fisher amp & no speaker break-in whatsoever, the 15" Coax is the best speaker I've heard and experienced to date. If things are yet to be improved, then this certainly is a winner in my book. No wonder a lot of audiophiles are leaning towards these types and i believe its a "next step up" to the usual commercial offerings out there.
Kudos goes out to our DIY community for providing us with these realizations to hike up our experience to the next level!  ;)

In closing - a heartfelt thanks to brader Anthony's gracious hospitality for the review as well as for his patience and generous skills in executing these projects for us. Mabuhay ka bro! ;D


Pics, pics......





Size relation between a CD & the 15" coax




A single capacitor that acts as the tweeter's crossover



Fisher X-100 amp



Fisher, Sakura & Sony CDP



software used for the review


thanks for looking!  ;)

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« Reply #463 on: Dec 07, 2009 at 07:36 PM »
sir macdon thanks for the prompt response. however, my time may not permit me go to his place at once because of my work. for the meantime, abang2 na lang muna ako ng mga advice dito sa thread just like yours. btw, D2 ba yung pinaka-dabest na BS ni sir? proac clone din ba ito? sorry i'm not familiar kasi. thanks

Anthony offers 2 bookshelves:

a) Proac clone........uses a 5.25" midrange & 1 tweeter.
b) Proac D2.........uses a 6.5" midrange & 1 tweeter.

Since you were deciding between a BS and a FS, a good compromise between both is Anthony's bigger bookshelf.
Besides, the D2 can easily fill your 12-15sqm area and if you'll be using a subwoofer later on - then you wont need a FS anymore.

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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #464 on: Dec 08, 2009 at 12:26 AM »
ala bang grills yan...and bakit hindi earlevel...baka me mapadaan na bata...mapag tripan :-)

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« Reply #465 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 06:32 AM »
Anthony offers 2 bookshelves:

a) Proac clone........uses a 5.25" midrange & 1 tweeter.
b) Proac D2.........uses a 6.5" midrange & 1 tweeter.

Since you were deciding between a BS and a FS, a good compromise between both is Anthony's bigger bookshelf.
Besides, the D2 can easily fill your 12-15sqm area and if you'll be using a subwoofer later on - then you wont need a FS anymore.

thanks sir. how about po yung FS? is it possible to have the specs, comparison and the recommendation na rin  :) :) :) syensya na sir abusado hehehe.

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« Reply #466 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 10:56 AM »
thanks sir. how about po yung FS? is it possible to have the specs, comparison and the recommendation na rin  :) :) :) syensya na sir abusado hehehe.
I second sir macdon's recommendation. big bookshelf na lang. floorstanders are a bit overkill for a 12 sq m bedroom, unless you want to deafening volume levels. yung mase-save mo from not buying floorstanders can be used as starter fund for a subwoofer in case you require one in the future.
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« Reply #467 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 12:29 PM »
actually sir approx 25sqm sya kasama na yung kitchen hehehe, hinati ko lang. Big BS would suffice pa rin ba? iniisip ko kasi price ng BS+stand hindi ngkakalayo sa price ng FS. pero syempre dapat hindi naman overkill  :).

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« Reply #468 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 12:44 PM »
actually sir approx 25sqm sya kasama na yung kitchen hehehe, hinati ko lang. Big BS would suffice pa rin ba? iniisip ko kasi price ng BS+stand hindi ngkakalayo sa price ng FS. pero syempre dapat hindi naman overkill  :).

tnx tnx

Yes, buying stands for a BS speaker already gets you closer to the price of a FS, however both offers different sonics.Its best to audition talaga and decide which one you will prefer ;)

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« Reply #469 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 12:52 PM »
if you are more into bass and not so critical about the midrange sound, go for FS. usually BS (assuming the same speaker line) offer better midrange. better if you can get FS with separate compartments for the bass and mid/hi drivers, you'll get the benefits of both FS & BS. but that would considerably jack the cost up. lalo ba gumulo?  ;D
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« Reply #470 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 01:30 PM »
@macdon
will do sir, one of this days siguro pag wala problema sa sked :)

@markcrenz
hindi nman sir, i'm just new to this hobby pa lang kasi kaya bobo pa sa technicality.

eto na lang siguro mga sir, for critical listening ano mas ok?
bs+sub or fs (for a-audio speakers po ha para hindi OT hehehe)?

kulit no ...

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« Reply #471 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 01:43 PM »
@macdon
will do sir, one of this days siguro pag wala problema sa sked :)

@markcrenz
hindi nman sir, i'm just new to this hobby pa lang kasi kaya bobo pa sa technicality.

eto na lang siguro mga sir, for critical listening ano mas ok?
bs+sub or fs (for a-audio speakers po ha para hindi OT hehehe)?

kulit no ...

sir just got ONKYO TX-SR607 receiver recently. i'm planning to pair it with Polk Tsi or Mission MV series sana kasi ito daw yung best match with this amp. kaya lang medyo mahal para sa akin. i'm hearing a lot with your Proac Response 2.5 clones na bukod sa mura na e, at par pa raw sa mga branded ones :). tanong ko lang sana kung ano yung best line of speakers mo sir na babagay sa bago kong baby hehehe. i can't decide pa rin kung anong best buy para sa akin, fs ba o bs. i lalagay ko kasi ito sa sala na mga 12-15sqm lang. hindi po ba overkill ang fs dito. sir hope you could give me a good deal, para naman ma-feel ko na rin pano maging "audiophile" hehehe. salamat sir. congrats sa mga creations mo. hulog ka ng langit sa katulad naming kapus palad  ;D

makikigulo lang ha.

sir heartbreak, i think with your room of 12-15 sqm. the proac d2 clone would do the trick. since its got the bigger woofer so it will handle the bass of music better than the 2.5sc clones. but the question in my mind is that you are pairing this with an av receiver (607) which means, you are not only going to listen to music with this but hopefully use it for movies too. right?

if this is so, you would have to get a subwoofer still. since the d2 clones might not be enough to truly reproduce the bass that is usually included in movie soundtracks. and besides the 607 has this feature called pure audio, wherein when you switch it on, the audio soundtrack will be produced only in pure stereo output, meaning only through the d2 clones and the subwoofer will stay silent. so to sum up. my reco is d2 clones + sub.

as for fs, well, it might well produce great sound for audio, but i think for movies, you would still need a sub, so your cost might go up still.  ;)

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« Reply #472 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 02:10 PM »
@macdon
will do sir, one of this days siguro pag wala problema sa sked :)

@markcrenz
hindi nman sir, i'm just new to this hobby pa lang kasi kaya bobo pa sa technicality.

eto na lang siguro mga sir, for critical listening ano mas ok?
bs+sub or fs (for a-audio speakers po ha para hindi OT hehehe)?

kulit no ...

I'm partial to BS speakers - they're detailed, very articulate, malambing & images well. Just my personal preference lang naman sir.
The most common setback naman to typical BS speakers is the lack of bass that we sometimes crave for in certain genres of music.

To get your bass, you get a FS - however I feel that due to its larger cabinet - it somehow adds more body weight & enclosure resonance that meddles with both the highs & mids. Again, just my personal opinion.

I felt that the only way to have both worlds is to have a BS speaker & create separate and independently powered bass enclosures that would act as stands for my BS as well. In this scenario, I could adjust the output as well as the frequency that the subs will play depending on the kind of genre that I'm listening to.
Yun nga lang, a bit more pricier than both a BS + stand or a FS speakers - but I do get the best of both worlds ;)

Who knows, by the time you get to go to Anthony & audition, he would've been finished with his "coaxial" speaker projects in various driver sizes - 6.5", 8", 10", 12" and 15". This is a very old design concept and different from the usual BS & FS speakers.

sorry kung mas napa gulo kita ha  :D ;D


 

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« Reply #473 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 02:59 PM »
I'm partial to BS speakers - they're detailed, very articulate, malambing & images well. Just my personal preference lang naman sir.
The most common setback naman to typical BS speakers is the lack of bass that we sometimes crave for in certain genres of music.

To get your bass, you get a FS - however I feel that due to its larger cabinet - it somehow adds more body weight & enclosure resonance that meddles with both the highs & mids. Again, just my personal opinion.

I felt that the only way to have both worlds is to have a BS speaker & create separate and independently powered bass enclosures that would act as stands for my BS as well. In this scenario, I could adjust the output as well as the frequency that the subs will play depending on the kind of genre that I'm listening to.
Yun nga lang, a bit more pricier than both a BS + stand or a FS speakers - but I do get the best of both worlds ;)

Who knows, by the time you get to go to Anthony & audition, he would've been finished with his "coaxial" speaker projects in various driver sizes - 6.5", 8", 10", 12" and 15". This is a very old design concept and different from the usual BS & FS speakers.

sorry kung mas napa gulo kita ha  :D ;D


 
very well taken sir. salamat po sa mga info nyo. it helps me a lot. based sa mga suggestions nyo sir, i'm more inclined sa BS+sub path na lang siguro. pero ang tanong, ano ba yang "coaxial" speaker na yan hehehe. nasa price range di ba yan ng D2? ano diff nya sa current BS sir?

thanks a lot!

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« Reply #474 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 09:11 PM »
very well taken sir. salamat po sa mga info nyo. it helps me a lot. based sa mga suggestions nyo sir, i'm more inclined sa BS+sub path na lang siguro. pero ang tanong, ano ba yang "coaxial" speaker na yan hehehe. nasa price range di ba yan ng D2? ano diff nya sa current BS sir?

thanks a lot!

Coaxials are also 2-way in such that both the mid & tweeter is separate. In BS & FS, you would notice the tweeter has a separate position but in-line with the midrange(s). In a coaxial or fullrange design, the tweeter is placed/positioned in the center of the midrange to provide a single point source spectrum. In most common designs, you only need a single capacitor for the tweeter - so no need for any complex crossover design.
Due to not having a complicated crossover network - the driver has an increase sensitivity which means that you could use a lower power amp to drive them.

As for costs - we would have to wait for Anthony to finish his projects before any quotes could be given.


As the others have suggested - go for Anthony's bigger BS - the D2 ;)
« Last Edit: Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM by macdon »

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« Reply #475 on: Dec 09, 2009 at 09:19 PM »
ako id go for the BS plus sub, not BS d2 + sub. ;D ;D ;D

yes it will give you more bass than the orig BS clone, pero still it wont be enough and youd still need a sub. unlessw negligible naman ang price diff ng dalwa. ;)
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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #476 on: Dec 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM »
ako id go for the BS plus sub, not BS d2 + sub. ;D ;D ;D

yes it will give you more bass than the orig BS clone, pero still it wont be enough and youd still need a sub. unlessw negligible naman ang price diff ng dalwa. ;)

pero sir, the comparison is BS+sub vs BS D2+sub (not BS+sub vs BS D2 (only). may significant diff ba sa dalawang combo? hindi ba big brad lang ng BS proac clone yung D2 or mas maganda pa rin ang BS proac clone (not considering the bass of course). kasi i'm planning to get a sub naman e. salamat po sa pasensya  ;D

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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #477 on: Dec 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM »
sirs, sa tingin ko, ang isyu ng kung ano ang mas maganda -maliit o malaking bookshelf (+ subwoofer) ay nakasalalay pa rin kung paano sila mag-integrate sa subwoofer na kapares. yan ang tricky part

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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #478 on: Dec 10, 2009 at 10:43 AM »
pero sir, the comparison is BS+sub vs BS D2+sub (not BS+sub vs BS D2 (only). may significant diff ba sa dalawang combo? hindi ba big brad lang ng BS proac clone yung D2 or mas maganda pa rin ang BS proac clone (not considering the bass of course). kasi i'm planning to get a sub naman e. salamat po sa pasensya  ;D

I strongly suggest that you get to audition both the proac clone (5") and the D2 (6.5") BS speakers. The 1.5" difference between both BS speakers may be small physically, but the sonic difference is considerable for you to choose between both speakers.

Driver size , enclosure and even the xover are different between both models - so only your personal preference will make you decide which among both will be best for you. The price difference between both is about 2k.

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Re: A-AUDIO Speaker Creations!!!
« Reply #479 on: Dec 10, 2009 at 01:24 PM »
if i may add, ewan ko lang baka mahina lang ang pandinig ko pero meron akong FS at BS na nakakabit sa parehong avr at nakaset sa "small" pareho... para sa akin di malayo ang tunog lalo na kung may kasamang sub.

meron din akong isa pang set ng BS na nung una ay gamit sa HT at kulang talaga sa bass kaya sobrang bitin kung walang sub PERO nung ginamit ko na sa music using dared mp5 (palang yan ha  :D) nagulat ako sa laki ng improvement. tapos nung pinalitan ko ng better player lalo pang lumabas ang bass.

in other words, di lang sa FS maririnig ang hanap mong bass, meron din sa BS. barya baryang ideya lang po.  ;)