Topic: OPPO DV983H

[streetsmart]

hi sir streetsmart,

have you tried to use the faroudja upscaler of your denon 2808? the 2308 (my avr) and 2808 shares the same faroudja chip. if you happen to experience them oppo981 and pioneer dv600, how good is the denon avr's upscaler versus the other 2? i am asking this because i'm using component from dvd to my 2308 and hdmi to panny plasma. wanted an all hdmi connections but the denon can only upscale analog signals and pass through hdmi.

sorry for the O.T.

thanks,

weng

I think you mean to ask for a comparison of the deinterlacing/upscaling capabilities of:

1) Pio 600 (I have a 696 so pwede na siguro yun)
2) Denon 2808 (which I have)
3) Oppo 983 (Paul's incoming unit), not Oppo 981 which is supposed to have an inferior chip

We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.

I have tried the Pio 600 vs VP50Pro and it's like night and day. I haven't even bothered to try the Denon 2808 cuz I know that malayo sya sa VP50Pro. In any case, pag dumating Oppo 983 ni Paul, try namin lahat ng 4.

[Weng!]

I think you mean to ask for a comparison of the deinterlacing/upscaling capabilities of:

1) Pio 600 (I have a 696 so pwede na siguro yun)
2) Denon 2808 (which I have)
3) Oppo 983 (Paul's incoming unit), not Oppo 981 which is supposed to have an inferior chip

We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.

I have tried the Pio 600 vs VP50Pro and it's like night and day. I haven't even bothered to try the Denon 2808 cuz I know that malayo sya sa VP50Pro. In any case, pag dumating Oppo 983 ni Paul, try namin lahat ng 4.

ok sir, will wait for your reviews of the gears. thanks

[Moks007]

I think you mean to ask for a comparison of the deinterlacing/upscaling capabilities of:

1) Pio 600 (I have a 696 so pwede na siguro yun)
2) Denon 2808 (which I have)
3) Oppo 983 (Paul's incoming unit), not Oppo 981 which is supposed to have an inferior chip

We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.

I have tried the Pio 600 vs VP50Pro and it's like night and day. I haven't even bothered to try the Denon 2808 cuz I know that malayo sya sa VP50Pro. In any case, pag dumating Oppo 983 ni Paul, try namin lahat ng 4.

Thats great can't wait to hear the reviews. I'm also very interested with this player but due to the long wait and budget concerns I'm thinking of just getting the oppo 981 in amazon, with free shipping. (I want the best possible player for my dvds) If its possible can you guys also test the 981? Maybe someone out there with the 981 can also bring their unit to your place to test. If possible pls post pics. Thanks

Hopefully you guys can do this soon and that way I can get my player (if I decided on 981) before June 1 for the reason amazon will start taxing ata starting June 1 on orders (may be on some specific items) to New York. Our JAC address is in New York. Bummer added cost again.
I just found out today when I'm ordering some dvds.

[barrister]

We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.

Parang saling-pusa lang ang VP50Pro?    Sir streetsmart is too modest.

Why not start with the VP50Pro as reference, then test the 3 other players against that benchmark.  If the Oppo 983 performs well against the DVDO, then the Oppo would be a real bargain!

Yung Pioneer and Denon, hindi siguro magiging impressive ang results.

[Weng!]

Yung Pioneer and Denon, hindi siguro magiging impressive ang results.

i did a comparison test between a dv600 and denon 2308 video processing (see sample pic on page 1). the denon is way better than the dv600 upscaled to 1080p. but this may be nothing compared to the new oppo983 and of course the vp50.

[streetsmart]

Thats great can't wait to hear the reviews. I'm also very interested with this player but due to the long wait and budget concerns I'm thinking of just getting the oppo 981 in amazon, with free shipping. (I want the best possible player for my dvds) If its possible can you guys also test the 981? Maybe someone out there with the 981 can also bring their unit to your place to test. If possible pls post pics. Thanks

Hopefully you guys can do this soon and that way I can get my player (if I decided on 981) before June 1 for the reason amazon will start taxing ata starting June 1 on orders (may be on some specific items) to New York. Our JAC address is in New York. Bummer added cost again.
I just found out today when I'm ordering some dvds.

Don't know anyone who has Oppo 981. Si @danrd dati pero binenta na nya. But he says that he wasn't very happy with it.

[danrd]

Don't know anyone who has Oppo 981. Si @danrd dati pero binenta na nya. But he says that he wasn't very happy with it.

Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875.  The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.

But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj. 

[Munskie]

Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875.  The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.

But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj. 

dan which is better in PQ:

1.  DV600 480p upscaled through 875?
2.  Oppo 981 480p upscaled through 875?
3.  Oppo 981 upscaled directly (or bypassed thru 875) to monitor?

[barrister]

But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj. 

Sir Dan, try mo naman yung bagong Oppo pag may available na.  Malaking improvement kaya ang 983 over the 981?

I'm expecting it to be very different, kasi yung 981 ay Faroudja processing (tama ba?), na laging pinipintasan sa macroblocking artifacts.  Yung 983, Anchor Bay ang processor, mas magaling pa raw sa Faroudja.




From Anchor Bay's site:

Oppo 983 uses Anchor Bay's VRS chipsets:

"Anchor Bay is honored to have OPPO choose our ABT1018 and ABT102 chips for its flagship DV-983H DVD player," said Doug Fealtman, CEO at Anchor Bay. "Our VRS video processing technologies complement OPPO's unwavering commitment to unsurpassed performance and reliability in its products."

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/company/news/press/PR031108.php


Anchor Bay is the same company that makes DVDO iScan VP50PRO: http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/systems/vp50pro.php

[Moks007]

dan which is better in PQ:

1.  DV600 480p upscaled through 875?
2.  Oppo 981 480p upscaled through 875?
3.  Oppo 981 upscaled directly (or bypassed thru 875) to monitor?

Ya I really want to know this too. Last week I just tried playing around and testing the following: Toshiba a35 vs. Sony ns76 vs. pioneer dvd recorder 1080p ( I assume this player is almost the same as the pioneer dv600 ) connected directly to my samsung 46 inch lcd.
Results playing starwars Episode 4, pausing same scene:
1. Toshiba a35 - hands down winner, malayo talaga. really sharp.
2. pioneer dvd recorder 1080p - very nice too, but toshiba pa rin
3. Sony ns76 - worse sa lahat. Could it be bec its 1080i? who knows, but when I pause its dirty all over, viewing the film naman is nice throughout. Its when you pause then it looks bad. More evident.

Anyway I don't know if all the pic settings on my tv are the same for all bec I use 2 diff hdmi inputs in the tv. The toshiba direct. The other 2 using a switcher to the other input in the tv. But today I tried again (Raiders of the lost ark) the toshiba a35 versus my parents pioneer dv600 and again the toshiba really looks great. Really sharp. If dvds can look this good (of course some are not gonna be this good bec depends din on the dvd title ) Man to me really enjoyable for my dvd library while waiting (if ever will come out) for the bluray copies. Thats why Im really looking for either for the oppo 981 or 983 ( for all region ). The onkyo 875 still cost too much for me. I inquired its still around 80 grand tsk tsk tsk..No mula for that..

[streetsmart]

Sir Dan, try mo naman yung bagong Oppo pag may available na.  Malaking improvement kaya ang 983 over the 981?

I'm expecting it to be very different, kasi yung 981 ay Faroudja processing (tama ba?), na laging pinipintasan sa macroblocking artifacts.  Yung 983, Anchor Bay ang processor, mas magaling pa raw sa Faroudja.

Hahaha! Tinutukso mo naman si Dan! 

Curious talaga ako sa 983 cuz based on what I know, it has the same deinterlacing/upscaling chip as the DVDO VP50Pro, which is currently among the best in the world. That's why I want to compare it directly to the VP50Pro.

[streetsmart]

Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875.  The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.

But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj. 

Ok. Got it. Maganda nga raw ang video processing ng Onkyo 875. It would still be nice to compare it to the Oppo 983! 

[oReOsHaKe]

Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875.  The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.

But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj. 

You have to choose kasi kung ano gusto mo gamiting upscaler: DVD player or AV Receiver.. Kung ano mas maganda yong ang piliin.. i-off na lang ang upscaling function of the unit that gives you the worse upscaling.. Can the OPPO 981 ba output just a 480i so the Onkyo 875 upscale it to 720p or 1080p depending on you HD TV capability?

[danrd]

dan which is better in PQ:

1.  DV600 480p upscaled through 875?
2.  Oppo 981 480p upscaled through 875?
3.  Oppo 981 upscaled directly (or bypassed thru 875) to monitor?

My own survey says . . . . . . . .

1.  DV600 480p upscaled through 875?

 

[danrd]

Sir Dan, try mo naman yung bagong Oppo pag may available na.  Malaking improvement kaya ang 983 over the 981?

Dyuskupo Tukso, layuan mo ako.  Curious din ako attorney. Let's wait and observe pchin's review. 

[danrd]

Hahaha! Tinutukso mo naman si Dan! 

Curious talaga ako sa 983 cuz based on what I know, it has the same deinterlacing/upscaling chip as the DVDO VP50Pro, which is currently among the best in the world. That's why I want to compare it directly to the VP50Pro.

  Kaya tuloy di na gumaling SARS dito sa pdvd eh.  Feedback and review sa Oppo 983 sir ha. Speciallly when its directly connected on a display. 

[danrd]

Ok. Got it. Maganda nga raw ang video processing ng Onkyo 875. It would still be nice to compare it to the Oppo 983! 

Yes it is sir hands down. Pero dream ko pa din DVDO mo (once i've dipped on hd). 

[danrd]

You have to choose kasi kung ano gusto mo gamiting upscaler: DVD player or AV Receiver.. Kung ano mas maganda yong ang piliin.. i-off na lang ang upscaling function of the unit that gives you the worse upscaling.. Can the OPPO 981 ba output just a 480i so the Onkyo 875 upscale it to 720p or 1080p depending on you HD TV capability?

Unfortunately the 981 is fixed on 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p only. Can't set it to 480i. That's why double upscaling happens so result isn't that good. 

[barrister]

Results playing starwars Episode 4, pausing same scene:
1. Toshiba a35 - hands down winner, malayo talaga. really sharp.

I think the Toshiba A35 also uses Anchor Bay ABT 1018 chipsets, that's why it upscales so well. 

Onkyo 875 uses HQV-Reon, generally regarded to be better than Faroudja DCDi.  Yamaha 1800 also uses Anchor Bay.  Marami na yatang tumalo sa Faroudja ngayon.

[Weng!]

My own survey says . . . . . . . .

1.  DV600 480p upscaled through 875?

 

ang ganda ng onkyo 875, can upscale HMDI IN to HDMI out-high end na kasi. ang denon models from entry level to 3808, upscales only using analog IN to HDMI OUT (sabi dun sa avs forum), ang HDMI ay pass thru lang. pero other models above them can upscale HDMI IN to HDMI out na rin.

may nag suggest pa doon na it is better to buy a vp50 + a mid-end receiver than buying a single high-end receiver daw para ma achieve mo ang good video at saka audio. i think sir streetsmart did his homework very, very well.

[streetsmart]

I think the Toshiba A35 also uses Anchor Bay ABT 1018 chipsets, that's why it upscales so well. 

I have an A35 and I have followed the AVS forum thread on this quite closely. It's not really reputed to have good deinterlacing/upscaling. That distinction belongs to the HD-XA2.

I am not sure (tinatamad to research right now), but I think that the A35 does not have a complete set of the ABT chipset (unlike the Oppo 983).

[streetsmart]

Unfortunately the 981 is fixed on 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p only. Can't set it to 480i. That's why double upscaling happens so result isn't that good. 

But Dan, di ba kaya ng Pio 600 to output 480i? Theoretically, that would be the best to feed to the 875.

Sabi mo kasi, the best is Pio 600 480p to the 875.

[danrd]

But Dan, di ba kaya ng Pio 600 to output 480i? Theoretically, that would be the best to feed to the 875.

Sabi mo kasi, the best is Pio 600 480p to the 875.

Sorry sir missed that spot. Yes Pio 600 can do 480i. Tried that but didn't like the results. Image edges aint that sharp. 480p is much better. Colors and edges were sharper. 

[Moks007]

I have an A35 and I have followed the AVS forum thread on this quite closely. It's not really reputed to have good deinterlacing/upscaling. That distinction belongs to the HD-XA2.

I am not sure (tinatamad to research right now), but I think that the A35 does not have a complete set of the ABT chipset (unlike the Oppo 983).

I'm not sure on this but I think the a35 deinterlace using Mediatek and upscale using the ABT. Ya the 983 is ABT for both I think. I'm not sure. But for me the pic on the A35 is really excellent compared to the upscalers (below 10 to 12 thou) they sell here. I haven't seen those Denon 1940 or the real hi-end players in action (Denon 2930 etc.), so I wouldn't know how they compare. I also don't think the A35 can be compared to the 983. However, I read in a forum before that a question was raised to the customer service of oppo if one have the a35, should they buy the 981. The answer of oppo is one don't need to purchase the 981. I wish the A35 was region free.

[streetsmart]

I'm not sure on this but I think the a35 deinterlace using Mediatek and upscale using the ABT. Ya the 983 is ABT for both I think. I'm not sure. But for me the pic on the A35 is really excellent compared to the upscalers (below 10 to 12 thou) they sell here. I don't think it can compare to the 983. However, I read in a forum before that a question was raised to the customer service of oppo if one have the a35, should they buy the 981. The answer of oppo is don't need to purchase the 981. I wish the A35 was region free.

Mas mataas naman yata standards nila sa US kaya ang reference is the HD-XA2.

I haven't tried comparing the Pio 600 processing to the A35. Try ko nga and then feedback ako.

[pchin]

I have the Oppo 983
Mark has the HD-A35
Who can lend the Pioneer 600?

Will be great to do a shoot out comparison!

[lithium_deuteride]

Dumating na 983 mo? Bilis ah. I've asked my bro in Singapore to order one from the dealer there. How's the performance btw?

[streetsmart]

I have the Oppo 983
Mark has the HD-A35
Who can lend the Pioneer 600?

Will be great to do a shoot out comparison!

I have a Pio 696 which, to my knowledge, has the same processing as the Pio 600.

I also have the Panasonic BD-30. Meron pa akong Sony DVD player with upscaling - we can try that out too, if you wish.

But there should be several members involved. Maybe at least 5. Voting after each comparison. Blind test. 

[pchin]

But there should be several members involved. Maybe at least 5. Voting after each comparison. Blind test. 

Sounds great! I smell a shoot-out EB is cooking up.

[Moks007]

Mas mataas naman yata standards nila sa US kaya ang reference is the HD-XA2.

I haven't tried comparing the Pio 600 processing to the A35. Try ko nga and then feedback ako.

I have the Oppo 983
Mark has the HD-A35
Who can lend the Pioneer 600?

Will be great to do a shoot out comparison!

Sounds great. Ya I always want to know the score on these players that way before we buy, at least we know how's the performance. Pls give me the feedbacks. Thanks. I really want an affordable dvd that will have the best performance for my dvds even if the difference is very small from the other players. Just like 0-60mph at 4.5 seconds, when the others are at 5.0 seconds ..I really want the best ..Of course within budget