Author Topic: Samsung LED-backlit LCD Panels (Read 20963 times)

arches111 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 18, 2009 at 08:30 AM »

@carlo777 i am to looking for this unit... sayang 'yon free sound bar this month. but what's keeping me off is the uneven luminance around the screen causing dark background to produce deeper black therefore loosing the background details and when you adj colour settings the PQ details to falls to the level of todays LCD. maybe i need more time to calibrate it to produce the accurate colour. can you comment on this...

Moks007 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 18, 2009 at 04:42 PM »

Here is a review of the UA467000. I'm dreaming on the 55 incher

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0,39037585,44694271p,00.htm

anchit · « **Reply #32 on:** May 19, 2009 at 01:43 AM »

i saw the 55 and 40" led in action. Side by side with the 6 and 5 series. 55" being sold for 249k and 159k for the 40incher. They are really slim! Thats all.ü

No way in hell they will be able to convince me to get the led version versus the 5 and 6 series. Aside from the fact na super slim sya, the very minute improvement in picture quality is not a worth its price tag.

If i were to do a blind test, will tell which one is led and which one is the old series 5 and 6, im pretty suree na mapagpapalit ko sila.

If i have the money to spend for the led model, id rather get 2 series 5s or 6s.

Alfie · « **Reply #33 on:** May 19, 2009 at 07:54 AM »

I also scrutinized the 40" LED at Avent in Greenbelt, and it's my opinion that the prices will soon dive to current LCD levels, or maybe even less.

It may even be the Flat panel of choice for all middle income families, once digital broadcasting becomes the norm, and may at this point send our LCDs to obsolence.(after the demise of the plasma,that is) :'(

Imagine thier 55" has an introductory price of Php250K, that's a lot cheaper than when the 40" LCDs and 50" Plasma panels were introduced to the public market.(Also remember the Samsung DLPs selling for >250K)

I'll probably shift to LED once the prices hovers down to the current LCD prices, and will probably get myself the 55". As far as PQ & AQ is concerned, I think it approximates the current 1080P LCDs in the market, my only misgiving i sthat this is probably more prone to dead pixels.

I also expect 60" LEDs in the future,and indeed the 42" flat panels (bypass the 32" of the short lived LCDs)will probably be the household set when compared to the 21" of the yesteryears CRTs.

Moks007 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 19, 2009 at 09:58 AM »

Quote from: anchit on May 19, 2009 at 01:43 AM

i saw the 55 and 40" led in action. Side by side with the 6 and 5 series. 55" being sold for 249k and 159k for the 40incher. They are really slim! Thats all.ü

No way in hell they will be able to convince me to get the led version versus the 5 and 6 series. Aside from the fact na super slim sya, the very minute improvement in picture quality is not a worth its price tag.

If i were to do a blind test, will tell which one is led and which one is the old series 5 and 6, im pretty suree na mapagpapalit ko sila.

If i have the money to spend for the led model, id rather get 2 series 5s or 6s.

First in showrooms they have to be calibrated to see the "real" diff, and imo bring your batman begins blu-ray or dvd to compare (bec of the dark scenes). If one is going for a 40 incher, then I agree with you that it may be senseless to go with this led tv bec of its price diff. A 46 incher maybe pa..But this tv really looks sexy imo and eventually prices will drop anyway

. A 52 incher vs this 55 incher, I will take this 55 incher any day if I have the cash

( My preference for lcd over plasma, also no 55 incher for the series 5,6,7). A place already quoted me cash price of 197 thou. Price diff may be 50 to 80 thou? vs. 52 inchers? I think its worth it, better blacks, sexy, slim, 3 inches more..Kulang lang mga women sa hot or not thread ma view ko dito sa 55 incher. That would look fantastic

I can also say the same thing with the panasonic plasma (no bad intention). 50pv70, 80 vs 50py800 or the newer models. Is there really a big difference in pq? I haven't seen them side by side so I can't comment on this, but same points can be made.

Carlo777 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 19, 2009 at 01:45 PM »

I'll check this unit on Thurs and see if it does give a measure of difference from our current A650 and Sony X. I'm not really into T.V designs, so my decision will be purely based on picture quality.

Thank you for your valuable inputs.

Moks007 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 19, 2009 at 02:16 PM »

Sir Carlo, here is something to confuse you even more

if you are looking at the samsungs

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1147862

arches111 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 19, 2009 at 09:39 PM »

@Carlo

the new Sammy's B750 & Sony's W5500

are out better include them on your review! I saw the new Samsung B Series7 on display at MOA this afternoon.. kaka display lang ata nila w/t LED's. Too bad i did not have the chance to test them side by side coz no player was attached

panay USB gamit nila $:-\$

Quote from: Carlo777 on May 19, 2009 at 01:45 PM

I'll check this unit on Thurs and see if it does give a measure of difference from our current A650 and Sony X. I'm not really into T.V designs, so my decision will be purely based on picture quality.

Thank you for your valuable inputs.

Carlo777 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 20, 2009 at 02:09 AM »

Quote from: arches111 on May 19, 2009 at 09:39 PM

@Carlo

the new Sammy's B750 & Sony's W5500 are out better include them on your review! I saw the new Samsung B Series7 on display at MOA this afternoon.. kaka display lang ata nila w/t LED's. Too bad i did not have the chance to test them side by side coz no player was attached panay USB gamit nila $:-\$

Sure my lord^

I'll go to Sights and Sounds and Abenson within the week so if you guys want me to check out a particular model just let me know.

Carlo777 · « **Reply #39 on:** May 20, 2009 at 02:10 AM »

Quote from: Moks007 on May 19, 2009 at 02:16 PM

Sir Carlo, here is something to confuse you even more if you are looking at the samsungs

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1147862

Hehehe, sure boss will read them

Mouldingo · « **Reply #40 on:** May 20, 2009 at 08:18 AM »

Interesting very in-depth review from avforums...

Review: Samsung UE40B6000 LED LCD TV

May isang test na may obvious dimming issue

"I just can't bring myself to recommend this to enthusiast or videophiles..."

eksi · « **Reply #41 on:** May 20, 2009 at 12:45 PM »

Was about to see Samsung LED Series 7 in Shangrila
IMO the picture quality can't still match the Pioneer Kuro
For me the Panasonic plasma is still next to Kuro
However, the other features of Samsung LED are impressive (especially its slim feature)

TeddyCuds · « **Reply #42 on:** May 20, 2009 at 01:31 PM »

Quote from: E-reply on May 16, 2009 at 04:04 PM

UA40B7000, UA46B7000 and UA55B7000 are now available at Sights and Sounds. Free speaker bar HT-SB1 when you purchase the TV before May 31, 2009.

Sir Vic, how much lang yun soundbar HT-SB1? Pls PM me the price. thanks!

Nemesis91 · « **Reply #43 on:** May 21, 2009 at 03:30 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on May 20, 2009 at 08:18 AM

Interesting very in-depth review from avforums...

Review: Samsung UE40B6000 LED LCD TV

May isang test na may obvious dimming issue

"I just can't bring myself to recommend this to enthusiast or videophiles..."

Yup too pale for my eyes.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #44 on:** May 21, 2009 at 05:14 PM »

Samsung UE40B6000VW LED LCD TV Review
Does LED lighting have the edge? Phil Hinton examines Samsung’s slimmest TV…so far!

Conclusion
If you have made it this far and just finished the last paragraph you will quite rightly assume I can’t recommend this screen for those who want the very best in picture performance – you see I can state the obvious! However that doesn’t mean that this screen won’t sell and that people won’t think it’s fantastic. Obviously, AVForums members will want the very best their money can buy, and may well have doubts about the B6000. I really wanted to like this TV and its slim design does look stunning. Indeed, it is almost a piece of contemporary art. Obviously, we would always recommend a screen that can produce accurate images to the standards for film and broadcast when properly calibrated. To watch it in any other way, is to choose your personal preference over what is defined as 'correct'. That is definitely not something we would ever recommend, but understand that there will be many that do.

With bright and vibrant images and set up in its standard mode, it will look good in a retail environment to the casual consumer. And as such it will find its market if used as just a living room work horse with freeview by a customer not looking for the ultimate in image quality or accuracy. It will do well in most homes where normal LCD screens would fit the bill and it will fulfil its promise. But this LCD TV will never look accurate due to these flaws.

The UE40B6000 is a frustrating product that is likely to split opinions over its picture attributes. On the one hand its design looks stunning, the thinness of the screen is sublime and the SD picture processing is first class. On the other, it fails to produce accurate images, (even after calibration), and it’s auto dimming with gamma shifts just causes more issues than it solves. I have never been so enthralled, yet so utterly disappointed with a display product so far in my reviewing career. It will find many new homes and sell very well, of that I have no doubt, and I would be surprised if it didn’t. And for a new technology it is also reasonably priced at £1260 online from suppliers Direct TVs. But for me and based on testing, retesting and watching hours of material, the B6000 is just too much of a compromise to recommend it to anyone looking for accurate image quality. And that’s an outcome we could have done without, because as a TV and technology statement, it should have been so much better.

Pros
-Stunning design and seriously thin!
-Plenty of added features, such as iPod connectivty
-Well designed EPG
-Menu control and layout is straight forward and well designed
-Calibration tools included as standard in main menu system
-Excellent scaling and picture processing for material

Cons
-Calibration results look good in software, but ineffective in actual control over the on screen image - hence score below, even though graphs looked ok.
-Edge LED technology is flawed with uniformity issues and auto dimming which cannot be defeated due to how the technology works $:-\$
-Gamma issues across stimulus points and on screen
-Inaccurate colour and greyscale performance
-Laclustre audio performance

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Samsung-UE40B6000VW-LED-LCD-TV-Review.html

E-reply · « **Reply #45 on:** May 21, 2009 at 06:00 PM »

Quote from: SpydaMang on May 20, 2009 at 01:31 PM

Sir Vic, how much lang yun soundbar HT-SB1? Pls PM me the price. thanks!

The Samsung Sound Bar HTSB1 costs P11990. It is free for LED TV.

E-reply · « **Reply #46 on:** May 21, 2009 at 06:59 PM »

1 Unit Left...

55" LED 55B7000 at 12 months P224500. Call for cash deal.

Available at Sights and Sounds 6341789 to 90.

pantellica · « **Reply #47 on:** May 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM »

hehe plano mo pala to bro ha...nung bumile ako ng plasma last thursday..inusisa ko talaga tong LED since im also a fan of samsung lcd tv..and masasabe ko sa LEd nila na bago...wow! and ganda and malinaw talaga...pero sobrang mahal naman...saka nung tinitigan ko mabute may napansen pa din akong pixelated sa kanya..kumbaga plasma pa din best for me...so for me kesa dito sa overprice na LED na to..much better to buy na lang ng samsung 5 series or 6....price difference is huge na konte lang ang linaw na difference sa lcd na 5 to 6....

and sa tingen ko sa mga expert na mas sanay na at mas magaling tumingen saken ng linaw..tingen ko di nila recommended to..lalo na sa price nya.

just my opinion to LED tv.

OT....just want to extend my thanks to you and post it here in forum for helping me to decide which tv to buy...i really appreciate it bro..you really helps a lot. keep up the good work.GOD bless!

mabuhay ka pare.

Carlo777 · « **Reply #48 on:** May 24, 2009 at 01:17 PM »

Quote from: pantellica on May 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM

hehe plano mo pala to bro ha...nung bumile ako ng plasma last thursday..inusisa ko talaga tong LED since im also a fan of samsung lcd tv..and masasabe ko sa LEd nila na bago...wow! and ganda and malinaw talaga...pero sobrang mahal naman...saka nung tinitigan ko mabute may napansen pa din akong pixelated sa kanya..kumbaga plasma pa din best for me...so for me kesa dito sa overprice na LED na to..much better to buy na lang ng samsung 5 series or 6....price difference is huge na konte lang ang linaw na difference sa lcd na 5 to 6....

and sa tingen ko sa mga expert na mas sanay na at mas magaling tumingen saken ng linaw..tingen ko di nila recommended to..lalo na sa price nya.

just my opinion to LED tv.

OT....just want to extend my thanks to you and post it here in forum for helping me to decide which tv to buy...i really appreciate it bro..you really helps a lot. keep up the good work.GOD bless! mabuhay ka pare.

You're welcome, plasma is really perfect for your needs. Enjoy!

Back to topic, saw the LED model already, I'll do put down my observations later or tomorrow morning.

Thanks.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #49 on:** May 27, 2009 at 01:19 PM »

Samsung UN46B6000

Product summary
The good:
Produces relatively deep black levels; accurate color; very good dejudder processing; sleek styling with 1.2-inch thick panel; extensive picture controls; extremely energy-efficient.

The bad:
Expensive; less-uniform screen than other LCDs; poor off-angle viewing; backlight fluctuates with program brightness; dark areas tinged bluer; shiny screen can cause reflections in bright rooms; red frame isn't for everyone.

The bottom line:
Although it delivers fine picture quality, except for a few flaws, the ultrathin Samsung UNB6000 series will appeal mainly to style seekers who don't mind spending more money.

We're not the biggest fans of the UNB6000's fluctuating backlight, and we'd like to see a more-uniform picture for this much scratch, but otherwise its image quality leaves little to be desired. That said, numerous other HDTVs offer equal or better picture quality for less money, which makes high style and higher technology the main selling points of the UNB6000 series.

Series note: We performed a hands-on evaluation of the 46-inch Samsung UN46B6000 ($2,799), but this review also applies to the 40-inch UN40B7000 ($2,299) and the 55-inch UN55B7000 ($3,599). All three sizes share identical features and specifications.

(Editors' Note: Many elements are identical between the UNB6000 and the UNB7000 series we reviewed earlier, so readers of the earlier review may experience some deja vu when reading the same sections below.)

Features

Edge-lit LED backlighting heads the UNB6000's feature set. Samsung calls these sets "LED TVs," but it's important to remember they're actually otherwise normal liquid-crystal display TVs that use light-emitting diodes instead of the standard fluorescent backlights. Unlike the Sony KDL-55XBR8 and Samsung LN46A950, which both use local dimming technology that mounts the LEDs behind the screen, the UNB6000 series is edge-lit, with LEDs arranged around the edge of the screen.

http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-12982_7-10000628-1.html

The main difference between the UNB6000 series and the more-expensive UNB7000 models is its interactive capability.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un46b6000/4505-6482_7-33488069.html?tag=aislebut

arches111 · « **Reply #50 on:** May 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM »

more review from CNET.de

We think: The Samsung 40B7000 is a truly stunning TV. The Samsung 40B7000 is a truly stunning TV. While plasma TVs in the Bildqulität so far ahead had his Samsung shows ultra-shallow 40-inch frame-up with the LED backlighting LCDs that really are competitive. While plasma TVs in the Bildqulität so far ahead had his Samsung shows ultra-shallow 40-inch frame-up with the LED backlighting LCDs that really are competitive. Also convinced of 40B7000 through the integrated features such as Yahoo Widgets, and its ability to multimedia files from network media play. So convinced of 40B7000 through the integrated features such as Yahoo Widgets, and its ability to multimedia files from Network MediaPlayer. On top of the TV dominates the playing of files in the open MKV container format. On top of the TV dominate the playing of files open in the MKV container format.

What we like: excellent picture quality excellent image quality superior design outstanding design good online functionality good online functionality supports playback of media on the network supports playback of media on the network an impressive sound impressive sound.

What we do not like: light stains in the corners during very dark scenes Light stains in the corners during very dark scenes.

http://translate.google.com.ph/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnet.de%2Ftests%2Ftv%2F41002092%2Fsamsung%2B40b7000%2Bdrei%2Bzentimeter%2Bdicker%2Bled_hdtv.htm&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

barrister · « **Reply #51 on:** May 28, 2009 at 01:39 AM »

Too bad. Akala ko magaling na talaga ang LED LCD.

Uneven black levels and auto dimming are just unacceptable for me.

fernando_montalban · « **Reply #52 on:** May 29, 2009 at 12:23 AM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on May 27, 2009 at 01:19 PM

Edge-lit LED backlighting heads the UNB6000's feature set. Samsung calls these sets "LED TVs," but it's important to remember they're actually otherwise normal liquid-crystal display TVs that use light-emitting diodes instead of the standard fluorescent backlights. Unlike the Sony KDL-55XBR8 and Samsung LN46A950, which both use local dimming technology that mounts the LEDs behind the screen, the UNB6000 series is edge-lit, with LEDs arranged around the edge of the screen.

Edge-lit LED backlighting = Dealbreaker

vx2 · « **Reply #53 on:** May 29, 2009 at 12:25 AM »

In a more optimistic news, HDGuru has christened the 8000 the best LCD out in the market...of course before the incoming release of Sony's 09 XBRs.

HDGuru

Carlo777 · « **Reply #54 on:** May 31, 2009 at 12:58 AM »

Ok, I saw the unit already and did my usual round of "tests", I'll have to re-do the whole thing again on Monday. So far, I was not totally blown away by it, and maybe I need to refresh my eyes.

For those who sent me PM's for this model, I may have to delay my personal findings til Monday or Tuesday late. But I can answer one question already...

Q: Is the Samsung LED better than your "measuring rod" Sony X450 LCD? (pq)

No...Nope...No! Sorry it's a no!

raptor · « **Reply #55 on:** Jul 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM »

Hi Guys,

I'd like to start this new topic to get feedback and observations from those who bought this new TV and for our sellers who get to compare the performance side-by-side with the othe other brands their selling.

I saw this model (Series 7 - 40inch) initially during my recent trip in Bangkok, and was able to thoroughly check it again yesterday at Robinsons Place in Manila. Aesthetically, this seems to have no equal with the current competition - the unit is so thin, and the reddish blend on the external glass-like frame is really an eye catcher. The demo is just showing slide show of stills (this is similar to what they are showing in Bangkok) - reason probably is that this model is really excellent on still pictures, colors are perfect including the blacks (but i haven't seen it side-by-side with a plasma tv). Not sure however if the fast action movies would still be that impressive - need feedback here.

For those who are giving a lot of weight on aesthetics, this is an excellent choice.

Another quality that Samsung sellers are promoting about this new model is that it consumes 20% lesser energy than similar size LCD TV's and likely much lesser compared to plasma TV's. The price on AC Surfer however is quite stiff - PhP 170k card price, PhP 150k cash ... not sure if how much our PDVD sellers is giving this away

E-reply · « **Reply #56 on:** Jul 13, 2009 at 03:33 PM »

Quote from: raptor on Jul 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Hi Guys,

I'd like to start this new topic to get feedback and observations from those who bought this new TV and for our sellers who get to compare the performance side-by-side with the othe other brands their selling.

I saw this model (Series 7 - 40inch) initially during my recent trip in Bangkok, and was able to thoroughly check it again yesterday at Robinsons Place in Manila. Aesthetically, this seems to have no equal with the current compe***on - the unit is so thin, and the reddish blend on the external glass-like frame is really an eye catcher. The demo is just showing slide show of stills (this is similar to what they are showing in Bangkok) - reason probably is that this model is really excellent on still pictures, colors are perfect including the blacks (but i haven't seen it side-by-side with a plasma tv). Not sure however if the fast action movies would still be that impressive - need feedback here.

For those who are giving a lot of weight on aesthetics, this is an excellent choice.

Another quality that Samsung sellers are promoting about this new model is that it consumes 20% lesser energy than similar size LCD TV's and likely much lesser compared to plasma TV's. The price on AC Surfer however is quite stiff - PhP 170k card price, PhP 150k cash ... not sure if how much our PDVD sellers is giving this away

We sell US40b7000 at P133K with free HT-SB1 sound bar.

djdeejay · « **Reply #57 on:** Jul 13, 2009 at 07:11 PM »

where is the chreapest to buy?

Mouldingo · « **Reply #58 on:** Jul 14, 2009 at 07:12 AM »

If you want to spare yourself any regrets for purchasing an overpriced LCD purely on aesthetics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHv-sonQu8I

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Samsung-UE40B6000VW-LED-LCD-TV-Review.html

Edge LED technology is flawed with uniformity issues and auto dimming which cannot be defeated due to how the technology works

E-reply · « **Reply #59 on:** Jul 14, 2009 at 02:32 PM »

Quote from: djdeejay on Jul 13, 2009 at 07:11 PM

where is the chreapest to buy?

Check out our prices. Sent you pm.