Topic: PANASONIC C-Series (42/50C10) Impressions

[SpoonEK9]

been thinking also of switching from 42PV80 to 50PV80 or 50C10. but i'm still hesitant since the price diff is about 40K.. with 40k, i can buy another 42 incher plasma.

kelan kaya bababa presyo ng 50PV80. sana bumaba around 65-70k hehe

[Nemesis91]

better get the 50C10 sir if you looking for the 50pv80.

since the price of the 50C10 same na din sa 50pv80 b4. Going rate is 85k

[Nemesis91]

If you really want the bigger screen area and money isn't a problem then 50-inchers are the way to go.

Otherwise I'd stick with one or two 42-inchers.

Agree ako dito!

[amped]

When is the 50X10 coming out?

[chris69ners]

a bit OT. Its upgrading time for me, I'll be coming from a 32 inc lcd 1080i samsung.  I am quite impressed with the 42pv80 when I auditioned it.  I heard 42c10 is also good and is now seriously considering it.

Naisip ko lang, since I will be upgrading why not go up a notch to 50 inch. BUT 50c10 is 85K vs 42c10 at 43K, thats almost double the price at 8 inch gain.  I haven't audioned the 50c10 but I am thinking, will the bigger screen justify the 40K++ increase in price?

what are your thoughts on this guys?

No, the P40K+ price is not justified.  For a mere 20% increase in diagonal size, you have to pay 100% more.

I suspect that for 50-inchers and higher models, mark-up is higher than for the low-end 42.

If you want the best value for your money, get the lowest-end 42-incher.  Maliit na lang siguro ang kinikita nila para sa ganyang model.

I asked about the 50C10 at Ansons Landmark.  Around P90K+.  I asked for a price-match at P85K.  Ok daw at P85K, basta cash.  Then I asked if they can price-match the 42C10 at P43K.  Hindi daw kaya, kahit cash pa. 

Pero wala namang masama sa ganoong pricing.  Legitimate marketing and pricing strategy lang yan.

Yes I think the price is really not justified. In the US for example, the 42X1 is $800 (P38,400) while the 50X1 is $1100 (P52,800). A measly difference of only P14,400!!!

Bakit sa sellers sa atin you have to pay twice the price of the 42" to upgrade to a 50" equivalent?!?

Hays, kawawa naman tayong mga nagbabalak ng 50" na plasma, at their mercy na lang lagi.. :'(

[cHess]

Nice Points bros.  2x (42 inch price) = 50 inch price...

[dips15]

Actually kung ganyan ang prices, better pa bumili na lang tayo ng 50 inches sa local market.  42 inches malayo pero at 50 inches, pareho na safer ka pa sa warranty.  Downside lang is that our friendly PDVD stores are more knowledgeable.

Hopefully mababaan yung prices ng gray 50 inch units to be consistent with the lower price of the smaller units. 

[okidokjim]

Actually kung ganyan ang prices, better pa bumili na lang tayo ng 50 inches sa local market.  42 inches malayo pero at 50 inches, pareho na safer ka pa sa warranty.  Downside lang is that our friendly PDVD stores are more knowledgeable.

Hopefully mababaan yung prices ng gray 50 inch units to be consistent with the lower price of the smaller units. 

i agree with the 50''  kasi sa anson they can give 50pv80 85k for 18mos tapos 50c10 90k 18mos. pero pag sa 42'' mas mababa pa din sa pdvd stores.

[ninjababez®]

Yes I think the price is really not justified. In the US for example, the 42X1 is $800 (P38,400) while the 50X1 is $1100 (P52,800). A measly difference of only P14,400!!!

Bakit sa sellers sa atin you have to pay twice the price of the 42" to upgrade to a 50" equivalent?!?

Hays, kawawa naman tayong mga nagbabalak ng 50" na plasma, at their mercy na lang lagi.. :'(

prolly because our distros priced it high, that's why our resellers here could'nt cut their price down
im pretty sure our resellers would lower their price if the source lowers it 

[chris69ners]

prolly because our distros priced it high, that's why our resellers here could'nt cut their price down
im pretty sure our resellers would lower their price if the source lowers it 

Yep its a possiblity nga.

Maybe our friendly pdvd sellers could enlighten us a bit re the reason behind the huge price gap between the 42 and 50 inch plasmas.

[STI Edge]

naisip ko din to before getting the 50c10 last week, halos dalawang 42" katumbas. kaya lang I really want a bigger screen. I'm buring in my unit using bluray while creating this post and allI can say is..........wow! worth it pero kung meron sana option where we can get a bigger screen for a cheaper price....panalo tayong lahat dito.

I hope walang maging hassle sa warranty claim and customer complaints for those who purchased  outside pdvd sellers.

[okidokjim]

gud pm. paano po ba ang tamang procedure ng pag break in ng c10? tnx po

[barrister]

Break-in advice from my old post: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=63765.msg667986#msg667986

From Panasonic FAQ:

4. What is the "break-in" period and what should I do during the break-in period to minimize any risk of image retention?
When your plasma TV is initially installed, the first 100 hours of use is known as the "break-in period." During this time, to minimize any risk of image retention, you should:

1. Make sure the plasma TV is in a viewing mode (aspect ratio) that completely fills the screen. The panel is shipped in this condition, in what is called the "Just" mode.
2. Turn down the Picture setting (in the Picture menu) to +0.
3. Briefly engage the 4:3 mode and confirm the side bars are set to "Mid", or "Bright". This can be adjusted in the Set Up menu.
4. Always return the display mode that fills the screen (such as Just, Zoom, Full, or H-FILL).
5. Try not to view channels with stationary backgrounds or logos for extended periods of time.
6. Avoid extended display of static images (video games, computer images, DVD title screens, etc.).

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/PlasmaFAQ?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&langId=-1&catGroupId=24973

[E-reply]

Yep its a possiblity nga.

Maybe our friendly pdvd sellers could enlighten us a bit re the reason behind the huge price gap between the 42 and 50 inch plasmas.

The prices of the TVs depend on consumers' demand. Since the bigger size TV has lesser demand than the smaller ones, the cost of manufacturing a bigger TV becomes more expensive.  

[chris69ners]

I see, yes its very true here sa pinas mas maliit nga ang demand for bigger TVs. Well wishful thinking na lang sana price gaps between the 42 and 50 inchers would narrow down to about 15 to 20K na lang soon, just like in the US.

[barrister]

In Singapore, malayo rin pala ang price difference ng 50X10 sa 42X10 --- more than 100% higher!

At hardwarezone.com Singapore, a forum member said a 42X10 is SG$1,099 (P36,235.08):
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2234914&page=13.

Another member said a 50X10 is SG$2,599 (P85,697.57), net of NTUC Voucher:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=37538942

[dips15]

Although mukhang the US is a better source.  The 50 inch G10 being sold by sir Vic is a lot cheaper than the PY800/850 and even 50S10.  Problem lang is the 110v.  The inconvenience naman might be worth the 20k saved especially since the g10 is a higher model than the py800/850 and s10 being sold.

Hopefully may market ito and the importers can experiment bringing in other US displays at cheaper prices than what we currently have, particularly for the bigger panels.  Baka 60k na lang lalabas sa US equivalent ng 50c10 (if they don't have the c10).   

[Clondalkin]

In Japan 1.4x-1.7x difference between a 42V and a 50V of the same model.     So hindi rin malapit.

And makers can manage to go deeper only on fast selling sizes - in plasmas case, that would be the 42V.  In LCDs case, that would be 32 or 37V.

[chris69ners]

In Japan 1.4x-1.7x difference between a 42V and a 50V of the same model.     So hindi rin malapit.

And makers can manage to go deeper only on fast selling sizes - in plasmas case, that would be the 42V.  In LCDs case, that would be 32 or 37V.

Sir clondalkin, what is the jap counterpart for the 50C10? Is it cheaper there or mahal din? Just curious..

[Clondalkin]

Sir clondalkin, what is the jap counterpart for the 50C10? Is it cheaper there or mahal din? Just curious..

None.  They offer the X series only.  They did a similar thing last year when only the PV80 (PX80) was made available to the Japanese market.   

Tapos sa full HD line, we have G, V, Z and the new R series (V with built-in HDD).

Kung full HD, cheaper here but Japanese ang menus and channel frequency is not the same as that of US, Europe or Asia.  Kung 720p, oks na oks yung pricing nila Vic and Jeff - kaya worth tangkilikin.  Yeah I think wishful thinking na ma-price match with US.   Even the Japanese market cant offer HDTV at the same level of pricing as that of US even in the case of Made In Japan models.   

[chris69ners]

None.  They offer the X series only.  They did a similar thing last year when only the PV80 (PX80) was made available to the Japanese market.   

Tapos sa full HD line, we have G, V, Z and the new R series (V with built-in HDD).

Kung full HD, cheaper here but Japanese ang menus and channel frequency is not the same as that of US, Europe or Asia.  Kung 720p, oks na oks yung pricing nila Vic and Jeff. 

Thanks for the info sir! Grabe pala variety ng models jan that I saw sa panasonic japan website! Built in hdd pa.

I'm planning to upgrade kasi to a 50C10 within the year and I still dont have any hd stuff to use, just regular dvds and cable. If I were to choose between the 50C10 and the 42py800, in your opinion what is the better buy in terms of pic quality and wow factor?

OT, from the displays you've seen there, di pa ren ba kayang pantayan na panny ang kuro?

[babed95]

nakita ko ngayon sa newspaper ina advertise na ng panasonic ang c and s series nila

[babed95]

nawawala naman talaga eh talagang may i.r pro pag play ka ulit ng movie pagkatapos wla na.

[Clondalkin]

Thanks for the info sir! Grabe pala variety ng models jan that I saw sa panasonic japan website! Built in hdd pa.

I'm planning to upgrade kasi to a 50C10 within the year and I still dont have any hd stuff to use, just regular dvds and cable. If I were to choose between the 50C10 and the 42py800, in your opinion what is the better buy in terms of pic quality and wow factor?

OT, from the displays you've seen there, di pa ren ba kayang pantayan na panny ang kuro?

If set properly, the 42PY800 should have better potential than the C series.  Do note that you are comparing a new entry level model and last year's upper-mid full HD model with higher quality panel.  Im not even sure if the engine of the new C series is at par with that of PY800 because the upgrade to the PY800 are the Neo PDP models.   Unless you've gotten used to the smooth image rendering of a 1080p panel, you wont likely have any issues with the fine (resolution) lines that seem to mask over the image on a 720p panel - that become more apparent as you sit closer.  It's the inherent limitation of the 720p panel but it's not as bad looking as my previous statement may have implied - not bad at all.   The minimum viewing distance where those lines are no longer visible is not that far anyways.

Would regular DVD and cable still be your main application?  720p panels tend to be more forgiving on the quality of signal than their 1080p counterpart.

Between these 2 models. the more lasting WOW factor would likely be due to the size of the screen, thus 50 is definitely an advantage, unless, you like sitting pretty close on the TV.

The Kuro?   Yes, it definitely remains the most impressive in terms of picture quality.   It's pretty easy to detect the superiority of the Kuro image over that of Viera image in a store, but the price and (to a certain extent) heat level of the Kuro are both issues for me.  Besides, its not at all a quandary to choose a reasonably priced very beautiful model over a very expensive "extremely" beautiful one.   The Kuro is most highly recommended if you can afford it.

In terms of LCD, Sharp still sets the highest standard in Japan but for some reason, that company is not as aggressive in offering their best products outside Japan.    It seems discrimatory that a company would only offer their most superior products in their own turf only.  Having said that, I have to commend Sony for their efforts to reach the farthest and remotest points in the earth.   And although I prefer the Aquos image over the Bravia image, I think that Sony's Motion Flow is one of the coolest effects Ive ever seen on an HDTV - I'm actually wishing something similar can be implemented on a plasma.   

[E-reply]

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[chris69ners]

If set properly, the 42PY800 should have better potential than the C series.  Do note that you are comparing a new entry level model and last year's upper-mid full HD model with higher quality panel.  Im not even sure if the engine of the new C series is at par with that of PY800 because the upgrade to the PY800 are the Neo PDP models.   Unless you've gotten used to the smooth image rendering of a 1080p panel, you wont likely have any issues with the fine (resolution) lines that seem to mask over the image on a 720p panel - that become more apparent as you sit closer.  It's the inherent limitation of the 720p panel but it's not as bad looking as my previous statement may have implied - not bad at all.   The minimum viewing distance where those lines are no longer visible is not that far anyways.

Would regular DVD and cable still be your main application?  720p panels tend to be more forgiving on the quality of signal than their 1080p counterpart.

Between these 2 models. the more lasting WOW factor would likely be due to the size of the screen, thus 50 is definitely an advantage, unless, you like sitting pretty close on the TV.

The Kuro?   Yes, it definitely remains the most impressive in terms of picture quality.   It's pretty easy to detect the superiority of the Kuro image over that of Viera image in a store, but the price and (to a certain extent) heat level of the Kuro are both issues for me.  Besides, its not at all a quandary to choose a reasonably priced very beautiful model over a very expensive "extremely" beautiful one.   The Kuro is most highly recommended if you can afford it.

In terms of LCD, Sharp still sets the highest standard in Japan but for some reason, that company is not as aggressive in offering their best products outside Japan.    It seems discrimatory that a company would only offer their most superior products in their own turf only.  Having said that, I have to commend Sony for their efforts to reach the farthest and remotest points in the earth. And although I prefer the Aquos image over the Bravia image, I think that Sony's Motion Flow is one of the coolest effects Ive ever seen on an HDTV - I'm actually wishing something similar can be implemented on a plasma.   

Thank you very much sir clondalkin again for your insights re the 2 model comparison as well as your observations for other flat panel brands in japan. Ibang klase talaga pag guru ang nag compare and explain, galing! The kuros are still #1 pala when it comes to PQ. I would agree with you on the sony, very cool motionflow tech, I see it all the time here in the office, ang ganda nga kaya IFC lang talaga ang habol ko sa py series. We are actually waiting for the latest xbr9 lcd tv we requested due to arrive soon as to update our agents on its latest features.

And for the panny, as long as dvd and cable stays sharp on a bigger screen, then it looks like its the 50c10 is for me. Besides, I'm already starting to feel a 42" is not that big anymore specially at a distance of 6 to 7 feet from our sofa. I think I'll be ok even w/o the IFC feature. There is still the 24p playback that can reduce judder for watching movies anyway. I'll be joining the hd bandwagon probably by next year.

[Carlo777]

By the way, my wife and I agreed to sell off the ugly Sharp LCD, we have around the guest room and promptly ordered this model.

Since, I'll be spending some time with it, I may have to revise my initial impressions. And will probably take some videos of the C10 to enhance the review.

I'll also look at the I.R issue, Phosphor lag - again, and the reflectiveness of the model, in a non-showroom environment.

Thanks Vic of Sights and Sounds for a smooth C.O.D transaction.

[emvi_2000]

Will wait for your impressions/review again Carlo! Planning to get this unit if the 42LZ80 won't be  available anytime soon.

[Carlo777]

Will wait for your impressions/review again Carlo! Planning to get this unit if the 42LZ80 won't be  available anytime soon.

Sure, just waiting delivery.

Like I said, I'll throw some videos as well.

POST UPDATE: If you want me to slap a particular DVD movie just tell me and I'll see if I have it.

[emvi_2000]

Carlo,

When I saw the 42c10 beside a Samsung Plasma, I noticed that the C10's screen looked darker. Even when we adjusted the brightness, that didn't seem to help. When it was beside a PV80 in another appliance store, same thing and the colors seemed more saturated than the PV80.  I saw more details in the PV80. I just don't know if it had to do with the cable or settings. My dad, who's going to use it, liked the C10, though. hehehe