Author Topic: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines (Read 80159 times)

Klaus Weasley · « **Reply #1260 on:** Feb 16, 2015 at 08:22 PM »

Raising children without religion may be a better option.

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #1261 on:** Feb 16, 2015 at 09:15 PM »

A family united in Christ is a family united forever.

http://www.a-better-child.org/page/896875

https://answersingenesis.org/world-religions/atheism/raising-our-children-without-god/

Klaus Weasley · « **Reply #1262 on:** Feb 16, 2015 at 09:27 PM »

Answers in Genesis? That's by Ken Ham who is an anti-intellectual scam artist.

dpogs · « **Reply #1263 on:** Feb 16, 2015 at 11:53 PM »

Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Feb 16, 2015 at 08:22 PM

Raising children without religion may be a better option.

how your parents raise you KW... did it work?

rascal101 · « **Reply #1264 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 04:35 AM »

Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Feb 16, 2015 at 09:27 PM

Answers in Genesis? That's by Ken Ham who is an anti-intellectual scam artist.

We can also say that YOU are the anti-intellectual scam artist. How can you be so sure of your position？ Are you willing to actually bet your life on it？？？ Are you willing to die for what you believe?

dpogs · « **Reply #1265 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 04:45 AM »

afaik... KW was raised with religion... it seems that KW is not satisfied kung paano siya ni raise ng kanyang parents...

rascal101 · « **Reply #1266 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 06:37 AM »

Magkakaalaman din sa bandang huli. Ang tanong ano ang sasabihin mo sa harap ng Panginoon? Paano rin mo siya haharapin? Sensya na po pero mas naniwala ako sa sarili ko eh. Mas magaling kasi ako.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1267 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 06:43 AM »

Kung sa sugal nga na tipong 50-50 ka eh di ba susugal ka kung saan ka panalo at di matatalo kahit ano mangyari. Isusugal mo ba paniwala mo sa maling o di siguradong akala?

sardaukar · « **Reply #1268 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 09:39 AM »

Sa tingin mo okay lang sa Diyos yon? Kung ang pagiisip ng tao ay ganito:

"Hindi talaga ako naniniwala sa Diyos pero sige na nga paniwalaan ko na lang, tutal, wala namang mawawala sa akin. Play safe na lang ako."

Tatanggapin pa rin ba ng Diyos ang taong ganon?

leomarley · « **Reply #1269 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 22, 2015 at 06:43 AM

Kung sa sugal nga na tipong 50-50 ka eh di ba susugal ka kung saan ka panalo at di matatalo kahit ano mangyari. Isusugal mo ba paniwala mo sa maling o di siguradong akala?

so naniniwala ka lang kasi takot ka na managot sa diyos mo kung sakaling totoo siya? you have a very strong faith.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1270 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:26 AM »

Bakit naman hindi. Simula iyun ng pagbabago. Kahit paano may unang hakbang. Mabuti na iyun kasi balang araw puwede lumalim ang paniniwala. Ang takot sa Diyos sa kanyang kapangyarihan ay isang paraan para manatili tayo sa kanyang piling.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1271 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:30 AM »

Quote from: sardaukar on Feb 22, 2015 at 09:39 AM

Sa tingin mo okay lang sa Diyos yon? Kung ang pagiisip ng tao ay ganito:

"Hindi talaga ako naniniwala sa Diyos pero sige na nga paniwalaan ko na lang, tutal, wala namang mawawala sa akin. Play safe na lang ako."

Tatanggapin pa rin ba ng Diyos ang taong ganon?

Mas mabuti na iyung kesa sa taong kontra. Kahit paano naka unang hakbang. Pagdating ng panahon lalalim din ang paniniwala.

leomarley · « **Reply #1272 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:32 AM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 22, 2015 at 10:26 AM

Bakit naman hindi. Simula iyun ng pagbabago. Kahit paano may unang hakbang. Mabuti na iyun kasi balang araw puwede lumalim ang paniniwala. Ang takot sa Diyos sa kanyang kapangyarihan ay isang paraan para manatili tayo sa kanyang piling.

no offense but that means sigurista ka lang dahil takot ka para sa sarili mo.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1273 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM »

Basta buo ang loob mo at paniniwala puwede kang maparehas sa taong humingi ng pabor kay Kristo noong napako siya sa Krus.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1274 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM »

Quote from: leomarley on Feb 22, 2015 at 10:32 AM

no offense but that means sigurista ka lang dahil takot ka para sa sarili mo.

Eh ano ngayon kung takot ako. Masama bang matakot? Tanong ko sa iyo, sabi ba ng Diyos na lagi kang kampante. Hindi ba niya tinakot ang mga tao? Kung sa tingin mo hindi normal ang matakot eh matakot ka kasi hindi normal ang hindi natatakot.

leomarley · « **Reply #1275 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:38 AM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM

Eh ano ngayon kung takot ako. Masama bang matakot?

dahil ibig sabihin nun ay sarili mo lang iniisip mo. diba christianity is doing good things for others? so ang premise mo ay mali na kaagad dahil simula pa lang ang objective mo ay salbahin ang sarili mo. lahat ng ginagawa mo na kabutihan pagsunod sa utos ng diyos ay para masalba ang sarili mo. magugustuhan ba ng diyos mo yun?

rascal101 · « **Reply #1276 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:39 AM »

Eh nagsisimula nga eh. Gusto mo naman perfect agad. Hindi ba ako puwedeng magkamali? Ikaw ba perfect? Sa tingin ko mas gusto ng Diyos ng taong nagkakamali at bumabangon kesa sa perfect lagi.

leomarley · « **Reply #1277 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:48 AM »

no one but you is saying that you should be perfect. but an argument with a flawed premise has flawed claims.

dpogs · « **Reply #1278 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:51 AM »

Quote from: leomarley on Feb 22, 2015 at 10:38 AM

dahil ibig sabihin nun ay sarili mo lang iniisip mo. diba christianity is doing good things for others? so ang premise mo ay mali na kaagad dahil simula pa lang ang objective mo ay salbahin ang sarili mo. lahat ng ginagawa mo na kabutihan pagsunod sa utos ng diyos ay para masalba ang sarili mo. magugustuhan ba ng diyos mo yun?

when it comes to salvation, there is no such word "for others"... salvation is personal...
when it comes to salvation, there is no such word "good works"... salvation is free...

rascal101 · « **Reply #1279 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 11:02 AM »

Quote from: leomarley on Feb 22, 2015 at 10:48 AM

no one but you is saying that you should be perfect. but an argument with a flawed premise has flawed claims.

Flawed claims? Is it wrong to make a first step because of fear? Is it wrong to want salvation for myself?

Your argument implies you have such perfect sense. I won't argue with you on that. Hope it does you good when you meet your creator.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1280 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 11:19 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Feb 22, 2015 at 10:51 AM

when it comes to salvation, there is no such word "for others"... salvation is personal...
when it comes to salvation, there is no such word "good works"... salvation is free...

Sabi nga mismo ng Diyos na pansinin mo muna sarili mo bago iba pero itong taong ito gusto muna magpakabayani sa iba.

leomarley · « **Reply #1281 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 11:22 AM »

"pansinin mo muna sarili mo" is very much different from "sarili mo lang iniisip mo".

rascal101 · « **Reply #1282 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM »

Naniniwala ka ba o hindi sa Diyos? Nais mo ba maisalba?

leomarley · « **Reply #1283 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 12:20 PM »

Why exactly would one need salvation? Are they/you in peril? Also, how did you come about your religion?

leomarley · « **Reply #1284 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 12:28 PM »

Now I'm not against people who are into religion but since you keep on insisting your belief on others who chose not to believe I'll oblige you. I'm an agnostic and unlike most people, I don't believe in any form of religion and I don't believe that faith is a personal choice as most religious people put it because in the first place our parents and/or society force it upon us. Were you given a choice on what to believe? No. So how can you say that your God is the one true God when you were indoctrinated into believing and following a religion as a child in the first place?

rascal101 · « **Reply #1285 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 01:07 PM »

That is your choice. But like what I said we all die and when we do what do we have to say in front of the creator. It is difficult to argue there is no God due to evidence that the Son of God existed. So no one can claim ignorance. As such, whether you like it or not you need to believe. Not doing do is your choice snd you will have to defend yourself not from other people but the creator himself.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1286 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 01:11 PM »

We will know when we die if we go to heaven or not and what I can advice is to prepare for the judgement day.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1287 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 01:14 PM »

I was never indoctrinated. I accepted him long time ago. Should I meet him st the opportune time let it not be said I did not prepare.

leomarley · « **Reply #1288 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 06:23 PM »

Do you mean you came into your religion at your own volition? Your parents had nothing to do with it?

ninjababez® · « **Reply #1289 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 06:31 PM »

OMG religion trolls