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Home Theater => Sources => Audio Only Sources => Topic started by: JoeyGS on Aug 21, 2012 at 07:30 AM
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Has anyone used the iPad as music source along with a good external DAC?
Have used it with very good results.
Currently using the ipad camera kit for the Lod to USB conversion and a NOS USB DAC made by ferds 6 years ago. Will next be making USB connector to allow the use of coaxial connection to my buffalo DAC.
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during a recent meet of www.headphiles.org last sunday, may nakita ako na setup using an iPad + headphone amp +/- DAC + senn hd600 or 650. unfortunately, I wasn't able to audition it :(
glad to hear na maganda ang experience ninyo with the ipad as a music source. ano gamit mo na music player software? are you also using ALAC or FLAC files?
ngayon ko lang nakita na meron palang LOD-->USB converter ang ipad, nakakatuwa naman :) pwede mo rin po ba i-share yung project ninyo (USB connector --> coaxial connector --> buffalo DAC)? thanks!
PS: kinda OT, pero are you using buffalo-I or buffalo-II? :D I'm currently using a buffalo-II DAC :)
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during a recent meet of www.headphiles.org last sunday, may nakita ako na setup using an iPad + headphone amp +/- DAC + senn hd600 or 650. unfortunately, I wasn't able to audition it :(
glad to hear na maganda ang experience ninyo with the ipad as a music source. ano gamit mo na music player software? are you also using ALAC or FLAC files?
Am just using initially the IPad music player. Later, will try the flac player app. My ripped music are mostly wav and also do have flac hd files
ngayon ko lang nakita na meron palang LOD-->USB converter ang ipad, nakakatuwa naman :) pwede mo rin po ba i-share yung project ninyo (USB connector --> coaxial connector --> buffalo DAC)? thanks!
yes wil do. Am still ordering parts for the USB connectors. And you will be needing a USB to SPDIF converter
PS: kinda OT, pero are you using buffalo-I or buffalo-II? :D I'm currently using a buffalo-II DAC :)
I have the buffalo II (from ferds), remember?
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oo nga pala, i forgot na kayo pala yung nakakuha ng buffalo-II :D tumatanda na ako, hehe ;D
i was thinking na gagawa ka na all-in-one LOD->coaxial spdif converter. if ang plan pala ay LOD -usb converter, then kakabitan ng usb-spdif converter, the conly usb-spdif converters that I know of are those from m2tech (hiface and hiface2) and the nuforce (udac). and hindi ko lang alam ay (1) kung meron software or tweak na kailangan gawin para mapagana ang mga ito sa ipad, and (2) if there are other usb-spdif converters than can be used for the project :)
good luck po sir joeygs! :)
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Will update this thread once I am able to make it work.
Hope others can chime in......
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buti pa kayo... ako wala na iPad eh...
plaything na ni bunso! ;D ;D ;D
@Joey, na order ko na yun para sa battery project ng usb-spdif mo... good luck! ;)
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buti pa kayo, may ipad... :)
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Ayus... Thanks
buti pa kayo... ako wala na iPad eh...
plaything na ni bunso! ;D ;D ;D
@Joey, na order ko na yun para sa battery project ng usb-spdif mo... good luck! ;)
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I was supposed to have a laptop as the music source, but no budget yet.. For a laptop there are a number of things to work on...... Software, memory, OS while for the iPad, plug and play. Nthe only disadvantage of the iPad is the limited storage space...... But I can live that for the moment..... Just switch play lists with the computer.....ok na rin.
buti pa kayo, may ipad... :)
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@Joey, na order ko na yun para sa battery project ng usb-spdif mo... good luck! ;)
Good for two ba yan? ;D
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Here's another twist to this method of using IPad as music source......
Has anyone used or is it possible that the iPad connected to your audio system also access an external hard drive as an extension of its media storage?
Can it be done with wifi? What component is needed? Will it stream hires audio files from the hard drive to the IPad?
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Here's another twist to this method of using IPad as music source......
Has anyone used or is it possible that the iPad connected to your audio system also access an external hard drive as an extension of its media storage?
Can it be done with wifi? What component is needed? Will it stream hires audio files from the hard drive to the IPad?
I think it is possible! Seagate has a wireless external HD. ;)
http://www.seagate.com/external-hard-drives/portable-hard-drives/wireless/seagate-satellite/ (http://www.seagate.com/external-hard-drives/portable-hard-drives/wireless/seagate-satellite/)
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Thanks Cal. I have read about this and just want to confirm if it will not down sample hi-res files once it leaves the HDD.
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Using the iPad as my primary music server now. iPad running FLACPlayer > USB > Meier Audio Corda Cantate.2 USB PCM1704 input (powered by amp) > HD600
(http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/218054_4511772230907_700233514_n.jpg)
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Nice!
So Ipad Dock has a USB digital out? Is it an original Ipad accessory?
Using the iPad as my primary music server now. iPad running FLACPlayer > USB > Meier Audio Corda Cantate.2 USB PCM1704 input (powered by amp) > HD600
(http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/218054_4511772230907_700233514_n.jpg)
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Nice!
So Ipad Dock has a USB digital out? Is it an original Ipad accessory?
Actually the accessory that enables USB Audio is the Camera Connection Kit, the one with the USB port (the other one has an SD slot, which is pointless for me since the iPad can't read RAW). I just picked up the dock while I was in the US not knowing if it would still stream the audio if its between the iPad and the CK, knowing I can return it for a refund, and I was insanely happy when it did work. Now I can keep it upright instead of keeping the tablet on my lap and have two sets of cables (the USb and the headphone cable) that would just get tangled up.
Oh, and before I was annoyed at how I can't expand using microSDHC, but then this came out:
http://www.seagate.com/external-hard-drives/portable-hard-drives/wireless/seagate-satellite/
Only thing left is for MediaMonkey to support DLNA and hopefully Crossfeed, or for a new media player app that can read FLAC, do DLNA, and hopefully Crossfeed. My android stages and images a lot better straight out of the headphone jack all thanks to the crossfeed feature in Neutron Media Player.
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Using the iPad as my primary music server now. iPad running FLACPlayer > USB > Meier Audio Corda Cantate.2 USB PCM1704 input (powered by amp) > HD600
Sir what's your Flac player?
Thanks :)
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Try downloading the 8Player application from the Apple Itunes Store, it supports DLNA.
As for the seagate, I am also exploring this as it was reported that it does not downsample the music from the harddrive. Let me know if you finally decide to use this.
Actually the accessory that enables USB Audio is the Camera Connection Kit, the one with the USB port (the other one has an SD slot, which is pointless for me since the iPad can't read RAW). I just picked up the dock while I was in the US not knowing if it would still stream the audio if its between the iPad and the CK, knowing I can return it for a refund, and I was insanely happy when it did work. Now I can keep it upright instead of keeping the tablet on my lap and have two sets of cables (the USb and the headphone cable) that would just get tangled up.
Oh, and before I was annoyed at how I can't expand using microSDHC, but then this came out:
http://www.seagate.com/external-hard-drives/portable-hard-drives/wireless/seagate-satellite/
Only thing left is for MediaMonkey to support DLNA and hopefully Crossfeed, or for a new media player app that can read FLAC, do DLNA, and hopefully Crossfeed. My android stages and images a lot better straight out of the headphone jack all thanks to the crossfeed feature in Neutron Media Player.
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This one:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flac-player/id390532592?mt=8 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flac-player/id390532592?mt=8)
Sir what's your Flac player?
Thanks :)
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This one:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flac-player/id390532592?mt=8 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flac-player/id390532592?mt=8)
Thanks sir Joey :)
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Sir what's your Flac player?
Thanks :)
FLAC Player (literally - and that's all it really does :P )
EDIT : Just saw JoeyGS already posted the link to the app on iTunes.
during a recent meet of www.headphiles.org last sunday, may nakita ako na setup using an iPad + headphone amp +/- DAC + senn hd600 or 650. unfortunately, I wasn't able to audition it :(
Just saw your post Bro - uploaded the photo of the set-up at home a few posts ago :D
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FLAC Player (literally - and that's all it really does :P )
Thanks sir. Btw what DAC are you using with the camera kit? Im planning kasi on getting one :)
Thanks again ;)
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Thanks sir. Btw what DAC are you using with the camera kit? Im planning kasi on getting one :)
Thanks again ;)
The amp in the photo has a USB input using PCM2704. Basic 16bit stuff, but long run I'm hoping to get back to using a disc player, if of course not as often as the iPad.
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Thanks Cal. I have read about this and just want to confirm if it will not down sample hi-res files once it leaves the HDD.
I think it will not down sample during the transmission from Hdd to Ipad. :)
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For the seagate wifi enabled HDD, yes it wil not, but if the digital audio signal will pass through the Airport Extreme.... I am not sure cause generally for apple products most of the components will downsample to 16/44
I think it will not down sample during the transmission from Hdd to Ipad. :)
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If you want to hook up your iPad (or iphone or ipod) to a DAC, i would recommend that you consider the new nuForce iDo. Its a DAC designed specifically for apple devices.
http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/ido/index.php
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@Sanjay - sir joey already has a Bufallo-II DAC :)
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I will try this solution to use Ipad as a music server:
(http://"https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=479324705436610&set=a.479324638769950.98669.460963790606035&type=1&theater")
But I will use my existing external dac and a USB to SPDIF converter. So I am looking at the iFi USB Power to provide clean power and music data into the converter/Dac
Some of the reviews:
http://www.audiostream.com/content/ifi-iusbpower-taking-audioquest-draginfly-dac-notch (http://"http://www.audiostream.com/content/ifi-iusbpower-taking-audioquest-draginfly-dac-notch")
http://www.ifi-audio.com/en/news.html (http://"http://www.ifi-audio.com/en/news.html")
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/ifi-iusb-power-supply-neat-tweak-and-upgrade-usb-dac-13832/ (http://"http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/ifi-iusb-power-supply-neat-tweak-and-upgrade-usb-dac-13832/")
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@Joey, na order ko na yun para sa battery project ng usb-spdif mo... good luck! ;)
Good for two ba yan? ;D
good for three ba yan? :P ::) ^-^
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good for three ba yan? :P ::) ^-^
Ngek! Meron pala nito hahaha! ;D
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I'm just wondering, is there an app that enables streaming of music files between two iDevices? I have an old iPod touch not being used. I'm planning to connect the iPod to my amp and stream music (via wifi or BT) from my iPad.
Thanks in advance.
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Carlo this may help for your requirements.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,177685.0.html.
You may by-pass the ipod.
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Carlo this may help for your requirements.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,177685.0.html.
You may by-pass the ipod.
Hi sir. Thanks for the reco and for the PM. I am aware of these BT receivers. What I'd actually like to do is to just use the iPod if possible. Playing audio from the iPad is more of a convenience rather than a necessity. Hence, I'd just like to utilize equipment readily available. If I wanna listen to music, I'd rather use my cdp since all my ipad music were ripped from my cd's anyway.
What I'm looking for is an app that would make my iPod function as BT or wifi music receiver/streamer.
Thanks sir.
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Hello guys!!!
A 64gb Ipad 1 can be had for cheap these day.
I know it is a relic technologically but perhaps for pure audio, it should be fine in the living room or dining area.
Is it still worth it? Sayang naman 64gb, it's plenty for me.
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Planning on this route in the near future, got an old ipad 32gb that I would like to use as a music source for my tube amp. Anybody did a remote (external drive thru a LAN) to us as additional storage in case the ipad runs out?
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You can follow jambam's thread.....
One thing that bothered me was needing to have a wired Lan connected to the pogoplug . This is a hardware limitation of the pogoplug where it is only using one usb channel for all the usb ports.
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j385/jambam_03/null_zps1206f973.jpg)
So what I tried this morning is just get an extra wireless router with no modem connected ( walang internet) plugged in the pogo plug. Got the old ipad 1st gen connect to the router.
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j385/jambam_03/null_zps47ef7389.jpg)
I played a hires file on the pogoplug . The ipad using Squezepad as my app is also playing a different flac file . The ipad is acting as a controller and a player (squezebox client) at the same time . So there really 2 players connected and streaming files.
So there it is ...
There are still some problems like , moving the server or disconnecting the drives would require you to resetup , which is selecting the directory where the music files are.
And during rescan its best not to play any music , but that is not really often, needed when you add new music to your drive .
But of course the test is in the critical listening , I have had a number of guest listen , and I dont think there was an obvious fault detected . it would be great if we had 2 different sycned players ( pogoplug and something else) driving the same usb dac/s into a single preamp and just switch inputs for a/b comparison.
Anyway I think I am almost done here , and this helps other people.
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Thanks JoyeGS...nakita ko na yung post ni jambam...i read it twice...medyo nawala ako sa gitna.... ;D
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Regarding your ipad as your music source, another approach is to have the camera kit connector of the Ipad so you can attache a USB dac to your Ipad. But the trick here is that your dac must be compatible with your iPad.
So in my opinion, the Ipad is best only as a remote controller/player and your music source will still be a music server.
Thanks JoyeGS...nakita ko na yung post ni jambam...i read it twice...medyo nawala ako sa gitna.... ;D
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You may find the HRT i-streamer an interesting solution for those wanting to use an Ipad as a music source.
http://highresolutiontechnologies.com/istreamer/?product=istreamer
It is available for audition at Wholesound at BGC. Priced around 10K.
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+1 on this ..... great solution for the iOS devices
You may find the HRT i-streamer an interesting solution for those wanting to use an Ipad as a music source.
http://highresolutiontechnologies.com/istreamer/?product=istreamer
It is available for audition at Wholesound at BGC. Priced around 10K.
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So in my opinion, the Ipad is best only as a remote controller/player and your music source will still be a music server.
I think this will be the best approach....read about the HRT as well. Was thinking of the Pure I20 as a cheaper alternative.
@JoeyGS...whats the cheapest route to go for the music server? I think this is where I got lost in jambam's setup
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I think this will be the best approach....read about the HRT as well. Was thinking of the Pure I20 as a cheaper alternative.
Please correct if my understanding is wrong, but the PureI20 still uses the Ipad's internal DAC.
The HRT is able to retrieve the Digital sound from an I-device then use the HRT's DAC for conversion.
Is my understanding correct?
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Sir cooltoyz based on 6moons link it does http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/pure/1.html just dont know if its as good as the htr
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@JoeyGS...whats the cheapest route to go for the music server? I think this is where I got lost in jambam's setup
Ako na lang sasagot .. Cheapest route is an unused pc and recycle for music serving. This is what i started with.. You dont need a powerful pc .
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Sir cooltoyz based on 6moons link it does http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/pure/1.html just dont know if its as good as the htr
Thank you for the clarification. The Pure I20 might indeed be a cheaper alternative. Hope to find one for an audition. Any leads?
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To get the best sound from the iPad, why don't you consider the NuForce iDo. Its a DAC and headphone amplifier specifically designed for apple devices.
You can check it out in sight & sound
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Ako na lang sasagot .. Cheapest route is an unused pc and recycle for music serving. This is what i started with.. You dont need a powerful pc .
@jambam..thanks for your inputs...sir whats the minimum reqmt.? O/s? Wired lan ba dapat? I think this the part i need more help..
@ cooltoyz..sir wala ata dealer dito nyan....just dont know where i read it either here or wiredstate..oks naman daw for the price
@ sanjay..sir thanks for giving me another option..will surely look into it
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@jambam..thanks for your inputs...sir whats the minimum reqmt.? O/s? Wired lan ba dapat? I think this the part i need more help..
Anything in the last 10 years (pentuim 4) will work or old laptop I think the better question do you have any old pc or laptop that still functions except it is slow , and about to be replaced ? I am almost sure this will work if you have something like that .
.. Puwede rin wireless connection , basta common yun router na gamit nyo.
Question
Is the intention to have a common set of music files that will be used across different players ? More than 2 or 3 ?
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@jambam..I have old laptops I could use. My goal is to have a remote location for audio files (i.e. flac, etc) to be accessed by the ipad which is docked and connected to my amp without degrading the quality of sound wireless sana... Is that feasible? It will just be for 1 setup for now.
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@intellution, several questions you need to answer as follows:
1. Are you ok with flac, wav and other lossless which will only have a resolution of 16bit/44khz? 16/44 if lossless is more or less CD quality. If you need hi-res (more than 16/44, say, 24/96 or 24/192) then you will need a better dac to handle the hi-res files.
2. Do you have a preference on the OS? Windows, Mac OS or Linux?
3. Can you work with Vortexbox (Linux based OS)? Linux based OS can work very well with old computers with low hardware specifications and in my opinion can output high quality music. The only thing is that, similar to vortexbox, is that it is not as flexible or plug&play as compared with Mac OS and Linux. Once the Linux OS or Vortexbox is set-up, just play music. Once you want to change the hardware configration (say add/change hard disks) you have to reconfigure again.
Lastly, what you need are as follows:
1. Laptop with music player
2. Ipad as remote - the ipad will access the music from the laptop via wifi
3. wifi router - the laptop will be wired into the wifi router
4. USB dac - the laptop outputs digital music into the dac via USB. The dac outputs analog music into your audio equipment (into a preamp or integrated amp)
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question mga guru... ano po maayos na DAC... ;D yung mura lang po.... I have spare iphone na pwede gamitin as player... >:D pwede rin na yung mga DAC new model sa vintage amps....
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@JoeyGS..thanks sir for the reply:
1. 16/44 is ok with me but would like to got hi-rez in the near future, which I believe will require me a better DAC.
2. Windows preferred..I dont have a mac..no knowledge of Linux
3. Read about the vortexbox..its seems complicated.
Read about the Seagate wireless Hard drive as a compliment to an Ipad/Iphone..up to 1TB. Read it does not down sample the audio...anybody can confirm this? If it does not I guess it suits my needs perfectly.
If the wireless drive does not work...I guess it will be a remote pc for me
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For dacs na maayos and less than 10k, you have hrt istreamer, super pro, musiland 01 or 03 and dragonfly.
question mga guru... ano po maayos na DAC... ;D yung mura lang po.... I have spare iphone na pwede gamitin as player... >:D pwede rin na yung mga DAC new model sa vintage amps....
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For dacs na maayos and less than 10k, you have hrt istreamer, super pro, musiland 01 or 03 and dragonfly.
Whew, again sir joeygs saves the day! Ive been itching to get the pure or now since i read joeygs approve on the hrt, the hrt. But with new choices let the review reading begin. Again. Sir jambam i might consider your setup as well!
Unfo, these devices are most accessible, on my part, for listening source. i decided to skip cds and focus building my tt more.
Forgive my ignorance and laziness to research but With cds, i decided to rip them into the ipad/pod instead. Will flac/alac/lossless be at par with CD?
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The iPad is relatively thin sounding. How it sounds compared to a cd player will depend on the quality of the cd player and the resolution of your system. It is my experience that if you cannot tell the difference in sound between an iPad and a cd player, your system is not resolving very well.
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The iPad is relatively thin sounding. How it sounds compared to a cd player will depend on the quality of the cd player and the resolution of your system. It is my experience that if you cannot tell the difference in sound between an iPad and a cd player, your system is not resolving very well.
About 4 or 5 days ago, at random, i decided to hook my ps3 on the video out of the pre amp, tried out my dads krall live in paris and my reservoir dogs ost and was :-X first thing on my mind was regret for mishandling my childhood cd collection :( ill just have to do a scavenger hunt around the house and my neighbors for them.
wow wow is all i can say. if what i heard was correct, yes with the ps3 iam already at awe how much more with a decent cd player?(if it will make a big dif) now i might und the 24bit-16bit 192/24 specs i still have no idea of. unless i can find tinkerings with the ps3 to make it suffice for now. i heard sacd a couple times and i still dont know how to desc them or if to believe in what i heard.
yes the ipad is bad but it is most practical esp for hard to find songs etc unfo.. :(
so is a docked/ to dac device (or a full powered device) the same as a or can sound like a cd player? or reach the same hq a cd can? yes maybe more research can answer my question but paralysis anaysis and too many tabs has gotten to me again. ??? im def buying vintage speakers soon to run away from all this ;D