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Home Theater => Sources => NMTs => Topic started by: Mouldingo on Oct 04, 2008 at 04:45 PM
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NMTs have gained sudden upsurge in popularity. The sole purpose for most is to play HD content. However, its undisputed fact that media played are either ripped/pirated/questionable material from HD DVD/Blu ray disc or other copyrighted material. Since piracy is considered a no-no in any form (especially DVD and torrent files) here in Pinoy DVD, should any discussion/thread/sale regarding NMTs such as Popcorn Hour, Novatron, or Egreat be banned?
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A ban on all NMT discussions would be unreasonable. An NMT may contain movies ripped from your own discs.
It is true that most video content on NMTs are pirated, but it is also true that most generic DVD players are used for pirated discs. If it is unfair to ban generic DVD player discussions, then it would also be unfair to ban NMT discussions.
A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK, since that would only be consistent with this site's no-piracy policy; however, merely discussing the NMT itself should be allowed.
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A ban on all NMT discussions would be unreasonable. An NMT may contain movies ripped from your own discs.
It is true that most video content on NMTs are pirated, but it is also true that most generic DVD players are used for pirated discs. If it is unfair to ban generic DVD player discussion, then it would also be unfair to ban NMT discussion.
Also generic DVD players can still play legal DVD, is there legal materials for NMTs to play?
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NMT are used for HD playback. Is ripping HD DVD/ Blu ray material suddenly legal? Also generic DVD players can still play legal DVD, is there legal materials for NMTs to play?
yes there is, I also use my NMT for my photo & personal video archives.
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What is NMT? ;D
Sorry napag iwanan na ata ako ng PinoyDVD. :-[
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NMT = Networked Media Tank
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Networked Media Tank (NMT). The Networked Media Tank (NMT) is a state-of-the-art integrated digital entertainment system that allows you to watch, store and share digital content on your home network. With a built-in Digital Media Player, the NMT allows for seamless integration between your digital media and your entertainment system. An optional hard disk drive also gives the end user the ability to download content from the Internet and store it in the NMT to watch at their leisure. Playback of High Definition 1080P movies is supported by the NMTs.
Unfortunately, High Definition 1080P movies played are from ripped/illegally copied/pirated from HD DVD/ Blu ray and other Copyrighted Material.
Threads concerning NMTs only promote piracy since this is the only intent of those purchasing it.
Movies such Iron Man and Indy IV are already availble...
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I don't think banning the topic about any kind of medium is fair. It's how you use the media that makes it illegal but not the media itself. If you do that then why not ban subjects that discuss about mp3 players? Well...downloading of songs are illegal too.
Sir Philander okay lang yun. Ako rin hindi masyadong familiar sa NMT but this link might help you sir.
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Why_do_I_need_an_NMT.3F (http://www.networkedmediatank.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Why_do_I_need_an_NMT.3F)
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A ban on all NMT discussions would be unreasonable. An NMT may contain movies ripped from your own discs.
It is true that most video content on NMTs are pirated, but it is also true that most generic DVD players are used for pirated discs. If it is unfair to ban generic DVD player discussions, then it would also be unfair to ban NMT discussions.
A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK, since that would only be consistent with this site's no-piracy policy; however, merely discussing the NMT itself should be allowed.
I agree. If NMT discussions would be banned, then so HTPCs too.
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I agree. If NMT discussions would be banned, then so HTPCs too.
Sorry to disagree. HTPCs can still play legal DVD, HD DVD and Blu ray. Unless you can dispute the HD content of your NMT as also legal. Sad to see many HD adopters seeking the jack sparrow pill... :-[
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i agree NMT player may contain movies ripped from my own disc
i agree A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK
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i agree NMT player may contain movies ripped from my own disc
Ripping of DVD is still illegal, I think... ???
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Ripping of DVD is still illegal, I think... ???
depends on which countries you are in. but basically its not, as long as you don't resell it for a profit. i don't think the philippines even has a law on this (i may be absolutely wrong on this).
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i agree A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK
i believe PinoyDVD members are disciplined enough to do this, discussions on illicit material played on any medium has always been avoided in the forums, any newbie who starts a new thread gets reminded of the forum rules almost as soon as its posted anyway
we'll ony end up endessly splitting hairs on the medium restriction although we should let this thread/survey run its course first to get enough consensus on the issue and see what other membersthink about it...albeit for a limited/fixed period
about content ripped from personal stuff, i think it's still an ongoing debate - most who are for it say it's ok to share it but not to sell it for profit...
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Sorry to disagree. HTPCs can still play legal DVD, HD DVD and Blu ray. Unless you can dispute the HD content of your NMT as also legal. Sad to see many HD adopters seeking the jack sparrow pill... :-[
And so do NMTS. Coz there are legal movie downloads that can be bought. Just like Amazon's Unbox/ Video on Demand service.
Maybe the OP should have narrowed down the proposed ban on pirated movie downloads.....not on NMTs.
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about content ripped from personal stuff, i think it's still an ongoing debate - most who are for it say it's ok to share it but not to sell it for profit...
Would you term that the same way as torrent files? Torrents and illegal downloads are free too. A can of worms indeed...
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And so do NMTS. Coz there are legal movie downloads that can be bought or rented. Just like Amazon's Unbox/ Video on Demand service.
Maybe the OP should have narrowed down the proposed ban on pirated movie downloads.....not on NMTs.
agree, movie and music downloads are here to stay, its one of the reasons why a lot of people are predicting that bluray might die even before it takes off. its the future of content distribution. and nmts (apple tv, popcorn, tivx, egreat and what not) will be in the middle of it.
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Would you term that the same way as torrent files? Torrents and illegal downloads are free too. A can of worms indeed...
as I've said sir it's an ongoing debate ;) the best we can do is avoid it lest we jeopardize/compromise PinoyDVD's policies, that much we can do we can always discuss the matter in other venues where it's allowed...like in Congress ;D
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And so do NMTS. Coz there are legal movie downloads that can be bought or rented. Just like Amazon's Unbox/ Video on Demand service.
C'mon, do you think I will download something that I can get for free...who are we kidding?!? Why would you settle for less when I can get it on HD...
For those who don't realize how deep the praises for NMTs is...
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=84863.0
Wow biglang ang dami nang nag switch to NMT ah. Come to think of it even if you have 1TB movies or even movies in 3TB server, I doubt you'll ever be able to watch all of them. It will take months to finish. Just watch and delete.
very true and practical. but for a lot of enthusiasts coming from collecting discs. this is unknown territory and very hard to do. total paradigm shift ika nga. hehehe
Locked thread...same issue.
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=85164.0
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C'mon, do you think I will download something that I can get for free...who are we kidding?!? Why would you settle for less when I can get it on HD...
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=84863.0
I am just disagreeing with the notion coming from the OP that NMTs can only contain/play pirated download material. They can play legal material too.
Thats why the ban should be on the discussion of pirated downloaded material. Not on the medium. Coz if we put the ban on the medium, then a lot of other mediums will be affected.
And that includes HTPCs, DVD players, and even Blu-ray players!!! Coz Blu-ray players/PS3 can play pirated discs too right?
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A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK, since that would only be consistent with this site's no-piracy policy; however, merely discussing the NMT itself should be allowed.
I totally agree on this. Subjects that inlcude promotion of piracy are the subjects that should be banned on this forum.
Then probably discussions on pirated dvd and torrent files are OK with you since everyone else is doing it....
Members like me are looking for an affordable way to enjoy hd viewing that's why discussions about movie files such as torrent, divx, etc have been in this forum for a long time. It's not just because of the rave about NMT's lately that members are discussing it now. Anyway, you should also include in your subject if discussions of files like these should also be banned in this forum. :)
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Members like me are looking for an affordable way to enjoy hd viewing that's why discussions about movie files such as torrent, divx, etc have been in this forum for a long time. It's not just because of the rave about NMT's lately that members are discussing it now. Anyway, you should also include in your subject if discussions of files like these should also be banned in this forum. :)
I will just stick to the subject of NMTs and their illegal usage since your proposal will just make this poll go in circles...
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I am just disagreeing with the notion coming from the OP that NMTs can only contain/play pirated download material. They can play legal material too.
Again, the intent to play illegal pirated HD content is the sole purpose for the purchase of NMTs for most...
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lets avoid saying nmt player is better than bluray
lets avoid discussion regarding hd rip sharing file
nakakainsulto sa mga collector na member na mas maganda ang hd rip compare sa bluray
bluray is still no. 1 priority,but for me earning 7k for two weeks,
how can i buy bluray titles worth 1 - 1.5k & by order pa from states.
kaya dati 3 times a day ako kumakain ngayon 2 times a day na lang para ma suportahan ang hobby
wag naman po san i ban ang nmt
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i think yung open discussions lang na ginagamit as sales talk ang parang "500gb with freebies" ang dapat bantayan. pero yung the product itself i think its okay naman. mahirap lang kasi na openly napaguusapan na parang come on ng prospective buyer eh kasi advertised ng seller na the product has a lot of freebies na they can even PM you on the list of movies/tv series etc. na pwede mo ipalagay and considered siya na "freebies"
let the product sell itself without promoting openly ang freebies para at least silent tayo if it caters to p*.
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Again, the intent to play illegal pirated HD content is the sole purpose for the purchase of NMTs for most...
Thats why the need to ban discussions on the intent, and not on the medium. We'll never know if some poor soul will use it for something not illegal, and he cant discuss it here coz it is banned.
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i think yung open discussions lang na ginagamit as sales talk ang parang "500gb with freebies" ang dapat bantayan. pero yung the product itself i think its okay naman. mahirap lang kasi na openly napaguusapan na parang come on ng prospective buyer eh kasi advertised ng seller na the product has a lot of freebies na they can even PM you on the list of movies/tv series etc. na pwede mo ipalagay and considered siya na "freebies"
let the product sell itself without promoting openly ang freebies para at least silent tayo if it caters to p*.
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Also generic DVD players can still play legal DVD, is there legal materials for NMTs to play?
I have 200 gb of photos which I have downloaded to the hdd of my NMT. It's so convenient and great to display my pics on a 120" screen.
I plan to get another 1 TB external hdd so I can download my cd collection of about 700 gb. Its just great to have the NMT display my photos on a big screen and facilitate my selection of CD's through a single remote, without getting out of your seat. And in the future, I will likely have a server to handle all of my hdd's.
If I transfer my collection of 1400 DVD's to the hdd of an NMT so I can easily play any movie, will that be illegal? I will check all of this with my lawyer on Monday but I really don't think I would have any legal problem.
This is the future. Let's not get stuck in the past.
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The medium is the problem. Its ability to play pirated HD content alone and easier use than a HTPC are enough to entice purchasers. Banning NMTs will make it harder for people to yearn Pirated HD Content.
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NMTs have gained sudden upsurge in popularity. The sole purpose for most is to play HD content. However, its undisputed fact that media played are either ripped/pirated/questionable material from HD DVD/Blu ray disc or other copyrighted material. Since piracy is considered a no-no in any form (especially DVD and torrent files) here in Pinoy DVD. Should any discussion/thread/sale regarding NMTs such as Popcorn Hour, Novatron, or Egreat be banned?
First, I like your avatar liner "life is too short..." ;)
Second, I don't want to deny the fact that I have NMT's and other players and have both legally sourced materials and those that are not... I don't even want to justify why I do so...
Third, if you wish / propose to ban such topics and deny that such new technology such NMT's are disruptive developments... they are a "game-changer"... changes the landscape... good or bad I cannot tell nor even attemp to justify. The only thing I do not wish will be for such things to go underground...and for avid members here to have to just pretend that these things does not exist just because it cannot be discussed here...
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-JackRyan
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I have 200 gb of photos which I have downloaded to the hdd of my NMT. It's so convenient and great to display my pics on a 120" screen.
I plan to get another 1 TB external hdd so I can download my cd collection of about 700 gb. Its just great to have the NMT display my photos on a big screen and facilitate my selection of CD's through a single remote, without getting out of your seat. And in the future, I will likely have a server to handle all of my hdd's.
If I transfer my collection of 1400 DVD's to the hdd of an NMT so I can easily play any movie, will that be illegal? I will check all of this with my lawyer on Monday but I really don't think I would have any legal problem.
This is the future. Let's not get stuck in the past.
Good for you sir. The question here is the majority of users buy NMTs for the sole purpose of playing pirated HD media. NMTs entices people to download/swap illegal/ripped HD DVD/ Blu ray and other copyrighted material. I hope you don't keep any pirated files on your NMT.
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First, I like your avatar liner "life is too short..." ;)
The only thing I do not wish will be for such things to go underground...and for avid members here to have to just pretend that these things does not exist just because it cannot be discussed here...
::)
-JackRyan
Those are my intentions sir. Anything that encourages piracy is no good. To discourage/deny purchase of NMTs would make it harder for "avid" collector to get their hands on pirated material.
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I get my materials from all sources... so I cannot claim to be like you that has only legal copies... but, you may want to give NMT a try... technology wise, it can give the usual blu-ray and legacy HD-DVD players very good competition...
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Those are my intentions sir. Anything that encourages piracy is no good. To discourage/deny purchase of NMTs would make it harder for "avid" collector to get their hands on pirated material.
While I cannot dispute your objective, however, you may want to also consider other approaches than just banning the topic. If you do, will it make the problem go away... perhaps at the surface, but I cant bet it will go underground... and once it does, will it make more difficult for someone like you to at least educate folks here? most likely...
All in all, I agree to your point that life is short... and in moderation,not excess, in all things, it can be a far more meaningful life...
I've shared my piece... I'll let the others to share their ideas and opinions... let's have a great life ahead of us! ;)
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Thanks for the offer sir, but piracy is still piracy. I can get Iron Man and Indy IV HD content right away, but I choose to wait for the real deal. Still playing airsoft sir?
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Thanks for the offer sir, but piracy is still piracy. I can get Iron Man and Indy IV HD content right away, but I choose to wait for the real deal. Still playing airsoft sir?
OT: Yep, but semi-retired... this topic reminds me of the ACM and non-ACM discussions that splintered the airsoft community into various factions... ;)
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Guys sorry :-[ But we all know the reason why NMTs are selling like hotcakes these past few days :( Its bec of the free contents whether GIVEN by the sellers or DOWNLOADED by the owners. So lets be man enough to accept that we really did cross the line on this one :( Sabi nga ni marvin lets respect the mods on this one. ;) Pinoydvd has been created and maintained all these years bec we share the same passion of collecting and watching dvds in the coziness of our own place.And now comes the NMTs were we openly discuss swapping of files and worst is saying that orig dvds and Bds are no matched for ripped programs :(. Its like saying na tanga na lang bibili ng original ngayon, as in para na rin don sa discussion about the gears na Tanga yung mga may pera who buys branded gears :( :( :(
As for not earning big enough to enjoy originals,well bro im sorry but its like those criminals that got caught na kaya sila nagnakaw ay dahil wala sila pera ;D Lahat tayo may sariling dahilan why we do things, but please lets not justify if we did something wrong(lets save it for the wife ;D ;D ;D). Im sure we would not like it kung yung mga kids natin ay mangangatwiran ng baliko :D I know ill get the heat on this one but I feel we need to respect the site that has helped and supported us for the longest time. :) :) :) :)
And Sir mouldingo thank you for removing the post you made yesterday about poor mans HD ;D ouch eh ;D ;D ;D
As for mp3 players, well thats another issue and most audiophiles just ripped their orig cds and transfer it lossless to their mp3players, thats what I did ;)
Guys since we all have the data we need to know I think ok na wag na natin discuss yung free contents including NMTs ;) Peace ;)
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The OP's intention is noble and cannot be disputed. But Piracy is a problem beyond the control of this community. And it will take another gargantuan discussion on the moral, ethical, economical and practical reasons on why people do it, or dont do it. And the board will not allow such discussion.
So while I admit that I also get my HD fix from various sources and have also participated in some of the discussion regarding the issue, I also want to respect the board's policy at the same time.
Maybe we can learn from this post:
PinoyDVD.com is about DVDs for DVD enthusiasts. We are interested in the content and technical aspects of the DVD format, the joys of collecting, frustrations regarding pricing and availability, etc. However, the details of where and how you get your DVDs is your business, not ours. While collectively we don't agree with enforced regional coding, we do recognize that piracy is a critical concern for everyone, whether you reject it, endorse it, or occasionally participate in it.
Therefore, please limit all posts to movie title and technical references, and refrain from mentioning and discussing pirated discs. You can buy your DVDs for P10 for all we care, but if a person wants details about where you got the disc, please discuss it over PM or e-mail. As always, we reserve the right to edit posts that we feel may not represent the best interests of the community.
Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.
Its from the archived piracy topic in this board, posted by one our moderators. Let us take our cue from there.
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Guys sorry :-[ But we all know the reason why NMTs are selling like hotcakes these past few days :( Its bec of the free contents whether GIVEN by the sellers or DOWNLOADED by the owners. So lets be man enough to accept that we really did cross the line on this one :( Sabi nga ni marvin lets respect the mods on this one. ;) Pinoydvd has been created and maintained all these years bec we share the same passion of collecting and watching dvds in the coziness of our own place.And now comes the NMTs were we openly discuss swapping of files and worst is saying that orig dvds and Bds are no matched for ripped programs :(. Its like saying na tanga na lang bibili ng original ngayon, as in para na rin don sa discussion about the gears na Tanga yung mga may pera who buys branded gears :( :( :(
As for not earning big enough to enjoy originals,well bro im sorry but its like those criminals that got caught na kaya sila nagnakaw ay dahil wala sila pera ;D Lahat tayo may sariling dahilan why we do things, but please lets not justify if we did something wrong(lets save it for the wife ;D ;D ;D). Im sure we would not like it kung yung mga kids natin ay mangangatwiran ng baliko :D I know ill get the heat on this one but I feel we need to respect the site that has helped and supported us for the longest time. :) :) :) :)
And Sir mouldingo thank you for removing the post you made yesterday about poor mans HD ;D ouch eh ;D ;D ;D
As for mp3 players, well thats another issue and most audiophiles just ripped their orig cds and transfer it lossless to their mp3players, thats what I did ;)
Guys since we all have the data we need to know I think ok na wag na natin discuss yung free contents including NMTs ;) Peace ;)
Thanks for the support sir!
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This is really a touchy question. Sure, NMT can store legal contents, but 90% (or more) of people shell out cash for a NMT to watch movies. You can rip your own DVD to hard drive, but who does? (unless it's shifting it to a portable medium like iphone).
From a personal standpoint, I am against the discussion of NMTs and contents. Maybe I am selfish, but as said, if you pay hard-earned cash for your content, but see your neighbor enjoying a higher quality content for free. Something's amiss. If it goes on long enough (without consequence) sooner or later you would join the game.
But I do understand that you can't stop technology. If mp3 players discussion and production were banned when the Rio was out, then there would be no ipod of today. Just as Napster forces the (media) rights holder to rethink their distribution methods, so would NMTs, if it's a hit. And like it or not, without piracy, we'd be paying 1,500 for any DVDs. So it's really a double-edged sword.
Maybe, we could just continue discussing NMTs - but how do you without saying without content (ie IronMan MKV is better than Ironman Bluray, when clearly the MKV is pirated stuff) ??? Discussion of sources, and trading of such stuff be banned. Let the technology game play out for awhile, then calibrate PinoyDVD's response then...
This post contains contradictions, but that is the problem facing this board, this is a hard topic to juggle.
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Again, the intent to play illegal pirated HD content is the sole purpose for the purchase of NMTs for most...
this statement maybe true, but it wont stand in court (joke only ;D). but seriously, i guess its still not enough reason to ban discussions about the medium. because technically it can play legal materials, i can even connect it with an external dvd drive and it will play dvds and cds (legal or illegal).
banning discussions regarding torrents for me is a step in the right direction.
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Froot, halos pareho lang tayo ng results sa shoot-out... :P
Popcorn BD30 Pio Oppo Correct audio
3.25 3.58 2.67 2.58 5 right except 1
So, technically, BD is the way to go for me based on the shoot out. But since the PQ of the PCH is very close to that of the BD, in terms of price, i'll lean towards the PCH/Egreat. ;D
And that for a comparison between a pirated HD DVD rip and an original blu ray. Nice promotion guys!
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Thanks for the support! ;D
Hi, Sir!
It's about time someone took notice on the NMT's and the piracy that comes with it. Thanks for taking the initiative. It really saddens me that several members of this community are joining Jack Sparrow under the disguise of "sharing" content.
I thought this was a piracy-free forum, that's why I love it... now I'm beginning to doubt it. :(
I hate pirates. If they can't afford the technology, they shouldn't use it (or should go open source).
XXXXXXX :)
P.S. I voted YES. ;)
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I voted WTH are you talking about.
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Let's get back to the poll:
"Since most NMT media contents are ripped/pirated material. Should it be banned? "
This is an eminently legal matter and you are making pretty strong generalizations.
I guess the questions are ...
A lot of PC's in the Philipines use pirated material (is that statement true? I don't know!). Ergo, PC's should be banned in the Philippines?
A lot of ipods in the Philippines use pirated material (tama ba yun?? ewan .. ). Ergo, ipods should be banned in the Philippines?
DVD writers? CD writers? Tape recorders?
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Let's get back to the poll:
"Since most NMT media contents are ripped/pirated material. Should it be banned? "
This is an eminently legal matter and you are making pretty strong generalizations.
I guess the questions are ...
A lot of PC's in the Philipines use pirated material (is that statement true? I don't know!). Ergo, PC's should be banned in the Philippines?
A lot of ipods in the Philippines use pirated material (tama ba yun?? ewan .. ). Ergo, ipods should be banned in the Philippines?
DVD writers? CD writers? Tape recorders?
Sir, the ban would apply here in PinoyDVD, not the entire Philippines. Any discussion in the forums subject concerning NMTs such as Popcorn Hour, Egreat and Novatron will not be allowed. Some of those who voted against the polls openly advocates such players and praise the use of media that are known to them to be pirated, including yourself. Bawal ang pirated dito sa Pinoy DVD, alam naman niyo iyan sir.
Yesterday, I watched Ironman and Vantage Point on the egreat 31b. Both movies were 1080p and both were excellent! No stutters. No artifacts. No problems... except maybe the need to stop and exit first when you need subtitles. I will keep posting my experience as I watch other 1080p movies. Dami pa.
May kaya naman kayo sir...
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My *guess* is that a lot of members in this site understand that there should NEVER be any discussion about piracy. It's a LEGAL problem for the owner of this site. That is understood and that should always be respected. If I were in his shoes, I would be very nervous about this!
But with respect to discussions about sources, which may play legal or whatever material, that's a different matter. If you don't pay any attention to that, you will go the same way as many computer companies in the 80's and 90's - they died. It's technology. In my view, the technology is brilliant, and its here to stay.
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So ripping/pirating of HD DVD/Blu ray sources are okay with you sir? Why did you become a 1000 title DVD collector in the first place? ??? ??? ???
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So ripping/pirating of HD DVD/Blu ray sources are okay with you sir? Why did you become a 1000 title DVD collector in the first ? ??? ??? ???
I really don't understand what you are trying to say, Mr. Mouldingo. There is no logic whatsoever.
Are you saying that nagyayabang ako? Nagbobola ako na marami ako DVD? At ikaw ay may 250+ Bluray?
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Its really unfair to those here in PinoyDVD who collect DVD or Blu ray. And yet here comes the NMT band wagon singing praises on how great it is, pirated lang nga ung laman. It like their saying "Scr*w your collection, We got a better medium and it's all free!"
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@Mouldingo
Sir..ask ko lang..kayo po ba ni minsan hindi nakagamit/gumamit ng *P* materials?
Mataas ba at nakakaluwag kayo sa buhay?
maraming salamat po.
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You know, it's up to the owners of this site .. and I will respect whatever decision they make - of course cuz they own this site and I love them for that! And if I were in their shoes, the issue would be legal. And if the United States of America has not banned NMT's, why should I ban *discussions* on NMT's?
My take:
Discussions on NMT's: Ok
Discussions on piracy: Banned
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@Mouldingo
Sir..ask ko lang..kayo po ba ni minsan hindi nakagamit/gumamit ng *P* materials?
Mataas ba at nakakaluwag kayo sa buhay?
maraming salamat po.
Does it mean that if you cannot afford DVDs and other disk format you are entitled to use *P* materials?
So kung hindi mo afford ang meat, nanakawin mo na lang?
Piracy is never an economic issue, plain and simple, it is stealing.
maraming salamat din.
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Does it mean that if you cannot afford DVDs and other disk format you are entitled to use *P* materials?
So kung hindi mo afford ang meat, nanakawin mo na lang?
Piracy is never an economic issue, plain and simple, it is stealing.
maraming salamat din.
Akoy nagtatanong po lamang...no harm meant...just want to clear things.. we all know we have LOTS of priority in life.
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I really don't understand what you are trying to say, Mr. Mouldingo. There is no logic whatsoever.
Are you saying that nagyayabang ako? Nagbobola ako na marami ako DVD? At ikaw ay may 250+ Bluray?
I just wanted to point out that being able to have a good collection of DVDs, I would be suprised if you would start collecting/advocating Pirated HD content. I hope you do delete those...
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Cease fire muna!
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Its really unfair to those here in PinoyDVD who collect DVD or Blu ray. And yet here comes the NMT band wagon singing praises on how great it is, pirated lang nga ung laman. It like their saying "Scr*w your collection, We got a better medium and it's all free!"
If you think that way, that is really really sad. Having met a lot of Pinoydvd members, I believe that those guys will never say "Scr*w your collection, We got a better medium and it's all free!"
You know, that's in your imagination. The guys in Pinoydvd are really great and cool guys. Keep cool too
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Its really unfair to those here in PinoyDVD who collect DVD or Blu ray. And yet here comes the NMT band wagon singing praises on how great it is, pirated lang nga ung laman. It like their saying "Scr*w your collection, We got a better medium and it's all free!"
You know, it's up to the owners of this site .. and I will respect whatever decision they make - of course cuz they own this site and I love them for that! And if I were in their shoes, the issue would be legal. And if the United States of America has not banned NMT's, why should I ban *discussions* on NMT's?
My take:
Discussions on NMT's: Ok
Discussions on piracy: Banned
Self-policing on outlawed discussions would help.
I for one dont really care on how people source out their movies. Thats their decision and prerogative.
But we should stop na yung comparisons (and that includes me), so no egos bruised. No tempers that would flare.
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Why is it we need to start a thread that would most probably spark various arguments from people with differing opinions? My opinion of course, but from the title pa lang, I knew may arguments ulit mangyayari.
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Self-policing on outlawed discussions would help.
I for one dont really care on how people source out their movies. Thats their decision and prerogative.
But we should stop na yung comparisons (and that includes me), so no egos bruised. No tempers that would flare.
i agree boss!!
thanks
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But we should stop na yung comparisons (and that includes me), so no egos bruised. No tempers that would flare.
Respectfully disagree.
The shoot-out arranged by Streetsmart is one of the most brilliant activities carried out by members of this board. If it so happened that NMT (which is a legal device) turned out to be at par with a BD, and continues to prove so recently, blame it on the technology...or praise the heavens for the technology.
Those in the group buy of eGreat (17 as of last count) must be all sleeping or glued watching as their number is not reflected in the poll yet.
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reading the different opinions from different gurus, experts and veterans of this site, this issue is very very sensitive.
They way i see it is that, maybe we are overgeneralizing/overthinking the NMTs. What I know is, we are aloud to have a "backup copy" of our original DVDs to store in case something happens to it. I maybe wrong but that is what is understand. NMTs can play ripped contents yes, but this ripped contents can be sourced from your own collections as well, that is the other side of it. On another hand, it can also play files sourced from various places but acquiring those "files" is the prerogative of the owner already.
Is it an issue about NMTs playing "free" media? Or is it about egos being stepped upon?
My take, pls ban discussion on piracy but let NMTs discussed freely.
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i agree with sir clondalkin
its all about technology.......let us just blame it to technology and ingenuity of humanity
peace hehehehehehehe
NMT's are great device(i am actually thingkingof acquiring one as well) ;D
where we get the content is up to us!!!!!!! :o
peace thanks
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Why is it we need to start a thread that would most probably spark various arguments from people with differing opinions? My opinion of course, but from the title pa lang, I knew may arguments ulit mangyayari.
EXACTLY!!!
its an age old argument that will never get resolved. it just goes round and round and round.
but as pinoydvd members we will respect whatever the owners think is the right way to go about issue and move on.
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okay lang mag healthy discussions basta huwag lang aabot sa point na kailangan na i-lock ng mods ang thread kasi hindi na maganda ang tono ng usapan sa thread...
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And if the United States of America has not banned NMT's, why should I ban *discussions* on NMT's?
My take:
Discussions on NMT's: Ok
Discussions on piracy: Banned
I agree. We don't simply ban cars because it encouranges carjack, robbery, car accident, death, illegal car racing, etc right? :-\ Prohibit the source but not the product itself which has many other legal & benefit usage.
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A ban on all NMT discussions would be unreasonable. An NMT may contain movies ripped from your own discs.
It is true that most video content on NMTs are pirated, but it is also true that most generic DVD players are used for pirated discs. If it is unfair to ban generic DVD player discussions, then it would also be unfair to ban NMT discussions.
A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK, since that would only be consistent with this site's no-piracy policy; however, merely discussing the NMT itself should be allowed.
There you go from Atty barrister. Any objection?
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Again, the argument here is NMTs main selling point is its use to play Pirated/Ripped HD content. You take out NMTs, it will make harder for people to want Pirated HD content. Those who argue against this are known users. Even the recent shootout already added to the contention. A pirated HD DVD rip is better than an original BD? And now everyone wants one because of the result of the shootout. Why didn't you include a DVD 9 copy of a BD rip in your shootout too? Maybe the Oppo would fare better... And those pushing the product, "please don't get your orders yet because we're not finish mass loading". Loading what? Why don't you guys start policing by deleting any mention of NMTs in your "SD vs BD" thread... :P
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Again, the argument here is NMTs main selling point is its use to play Pirated/Ripped HD content. You take out NMTs, it will make harder for people to want Pirated HD content. Those who argue against this are known users. Even the recent shootout already added to the contention. A pirated HD DVD rip is better than an original BD? And now everyone wants one because of the result of the shootout. And those pushing the product, "please don't get your orders yet because we're not finish mass loading". Loading what? Why don't you guys start policing by deleting any mention of NMTs in your "SD vs BD" thread... :P
no problem in policing ourselves. will do that in fact.
but if we do as you suggest, then its like saying what others are saying all along, dont discuss anything about htpcs because it may be use for viewing such content as well. and you said so yourself that it should not be the case because htpcs can actually play legal copies of bds and sds, its the same wih nmts, unless you can prove without a shadow of a doubt that a nmt has no legal use, then discussion on nmts should not be banned.
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no problem in policing ourselves. will do that in fact.
but if we do as you suggest, then its like saying what others are saying all along, dont discuss anything about htpcs because it may be use for viewing such content as well. and you said so yourself that it should not be the case because htpcs can actually play legal copies of bds and sds, its the same wih nmts, unless you can prove without a shadow of a doubt that a nmt has no legal use, then discussion on nmts should not be banned.
"I will buy an NMT for the sole purpose to store copies of media I already own..." Who are we kidding here :P
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If mods ban NMTs because its main selling point is playing "free" media, then is also logical to ban discussions on HTPC (very flexible device, primary tool to DL), PS3 (1st powerful device to play bluray, streaming player (which includes "free" media ), and generic players (its main selling point is playing pirated dvds). Then it will be fair, just do the discussion on other sites ;D
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"I will buy an NMT for the sole purpose to store copies of media I already own..." Who are we kidding here :P
still, it does not rule out the fact that it can be use for legal means.
all im saying is yes, some of the afficionados here went too far during the discussions (me definitely included) but as a way of moving forward, to ban discussions on an equipment that can actually be use legally is not the way to go. because if we use that argument, then tons of other topics should not be allowed as well.
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furthermore, by allowing discussions on nmts, but not allowing discussions on illegal contents, pinoydvd members with nmts will now have an avenue to really test the equipment within the legal limits, and in the end give other naysayers the chance to appreciate this technology.
avsforum is doing it, so why can't pinoydvd do it as well. :)
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"I got a new DVD of IronMan. I quickly copied to my PC and loaded to my gazzilionbyte NMT. Ang ganda ng PQ, talo pa yung DVD copy..." :P :P :P
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"I got a new DVD of IronMan. I quickly copied to my PC and loaded NMT. Ang ganda ng PQ, talo pa yung DVD copy..." :P :P :P
has anyone claimed this?
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still, it does not rule out the fact that it can be use for legal means.
all im saying is yes, some of the afficionados here went too far during the discussions (me definitely included) but as a way of moving forward, to ban discussions on an equipment that can actually be use legally is not the way to go. because if we use that argument, then tons of other topics should not be allowed as well.
yes, like the internet which could be considered the mother of all NMTs, heck virtually all of the pirated stuff comes from it or passes through it so why not train your sights on it instead? ;) Lots of bad things have been done through it and a lot more horrific stuff are available here or have passed or are being passed through it even as we post (how to make bombs, etc.) but nobody's banning it much less prohibit discussions about it
the most like countries like China has done has been to regulate it ;)
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has anyone claimed this?
Hehehe, this is what's really going in the threads...
"May available na NMT player, I can sell it to you for PXX.XXX. It will include 1TB with 1XX HD Movies. Sasamahin ko na rin yung IronMan at Indy IV na bagong HD"
Sagot naman
"Wow, buti di na ako bumili ng BD na IronMan, may sira ito di ba?"
+1 for the pirates
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Again, the argument here is NMTs main selling point is its use to play Pirated/Ripped HD content. You take out NMTs, it will make harder for people to want Pirated HD content. Those who argue against this are known users. Even the recent shootout already added to the contention. A pirated HD DVD rip is better than an original BD? And now everyone wants one because of the result of the shootout. Why didn't you include a DVD 9 copy of a BD rip in your shootout too? Maybe the Oppo would fare better... And those pushing the product, "please don't get your orders yet because we're not finish mass loading". Loading what? Why don't you guys start policing by deleting any mention of NMTs in your "SD vs HD" thread... :P
- as to discussion of subjects on NMT - its sir "firewired" who has the last say on this matter. pdvd is his site period.
- as to NMT. i dont own one (yet). its just one product of this age's continuously advancing technology. Its a (relatively) new gadget in the philippine market and most probably here to stay.
was the cassette tape player/recorder, originally intended to reproduce "pirated" audio? how about generic dvd players? anybody here who owns a generic dvd player and use it to play ONLY original dvd copies? Its common knowledge that most, if not all owners of generic dvd players use it to play p* discs. (kasi hindi mapili at region-free). Yet, the pdvd thread on generic dvd players still exists.
yes, wag na tayo maglokohan. sa philippine setting, malamang gamitin ito para paglagyan ng p* materials. baket, may batas na ba na nagbabawal na ba ng nmt possession or possession of hard disks with pirated contents? i havent heard from omb/edu. sa presyo ng nmt, di siguro mauuso ang bentahan ng harddisk sa quiapo. brader, HDHDHD, ano gusto mo 1tb? ;D
at kung talagang mas maganda ang video quality output ng nmt, eh sa iyon ang totoong nakita ng mga taong nakagamit. ano magagawa?
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"I got a new DVD of IronMan. I quickly copied to my PC and loaded to my gazzilionbyte NMT. Ang ganda ng PQ, talo pa yung DVD copy..." :P :P :P
wala pa dito sa pinoydvd, but sa ibang forum definitely meron na.
i think in the us of a, this has always been a bone of contention between consumers and content owners. but in the end it still is unresolved. ripping digital content started since the start of digital contents, to sell these contents after ripping is definitely piracy, but to use it for your own personal consumption is, as i said very very debatable to the point not even lawmakers wants to do anything about it (stateside that is).
its not a problem as i said to ban all illegal topics that are associated with nmts/htpcs (sinama ko na, ika mo nga sir mouldingo, who are we kidding. ;)) whether its torrents, swap sessions, etc. but banning on discussions on nmt itself should not be done.
its like saying money is the root of all evil, diba it should be the "love" of money.
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- as to discussion of subjects on NMT - its sir "firewired" who has the last say on this matter. pdvd is his site period
Its really up to the admin if they will ban discussions concerning NMTs. This poll and accompanying suggestions will be at least help them if it is needed. So far, I am pleased that some members finally realised they have stepped out of line regarding the piracy issue. I hope a self-policing is in the offing. .
was the cassette tape player/recorder, originally intended to reproduce "pirated" audio? how about generic dvd players? anybody here who owns a generic dvd player and use it to play ONLY original dvd copies? Its common knowledge that most, if not all owners of generic dvd players use it to play p* discs. (kasi hindi mapili at region-free). Yet, the pdvd thread on generic dvd players still exists.
yes, wag na tayo maglokohan. sa philippine setting, malamang gamitin ito para paglagyan ng p* materials. baket, may batas na ba na nagbabawal na ba ng nmt possession or possession of hard disks with pirated contents? i havent heard from omb/edu. sa presyo ng nmt, di siguro mauuso ang bentahan ng harddisk sa quiapo. brader, HDHDHD, ano gusto mo 1tb? ;D
at kung talagang mas maganda ang video quality output ng nmt, eh sa iyon ang totoong nakita ng mga taong nakagamit. ano magagawa?
The poll is to seek the ban on discussions on NMTs. Para at least mahirapan sila mag hanap ng paglalaruan ng p* nila. Kung may mawalang gana bumili dahil wala silang makita, so much the better.
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Fyi, this is already under discussion by the Mods. Allow me to quote myself from a message I recently sent to one of the mailing lists:
Are we swimming against the tide? What most of you don't know is that a LOT of my time on the board is now spent flagging threads and discussions that concern torrents, HD downloads, HD copying, NMTs and HTPCs that are "loaded". A cursory check of the PM database also confirms that much of the traffic in messages has terms like "hd download" and "mkv" now which is why we've been having problems with our email server. On some days, we breach 700(!) messages.
It would be hypocritical to say that PinoyDVD is for 100% original content only in this day and age. It's not. We're all hybrids now. The discussions in the TV show forum alone point to a thriving, growing base of members who download episodes every week.
So there you have it. We're not dinosaurs, but frankly, there are practical considerations regarding this issue that affects PinoyDVD's stature in the industry. Like it or not, this is a default destination and resource of the local distributors and retailers, so they're very much aware of some of the discussions here.
As mods and stakeholders of the site, we may have our own personal preferences and opinions on this matter, but the PinoyDVD brand is greater than any one person's identity now - even the site owner's.
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The poll is to seek the ban on discussions on NMTs. Para at least mahirapan sila mag hanap ng paglalaruan ng p* nila. Kung may mawalang gana bumili dahil wala silang makita, so much the better.
or... it might have the opposite effect. ::)
before, i wasnt interested with PCH egreat etc, but now... ;D
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It might surprise members to know that buying pirated discs is not illegal in the Philippines.
Under R.A. 9239, the act of "purchasing" pirated discs is not specifically prohibited, as long as you do not "knowingly possess" items "of the same content or title" and "with intent to profit" (Sec. 19, par. 2a).
But I recognize the mods' right to prohibit piracy discussions not because it is illegal, but because they have a reputation to protect.
In the same manner, downloading movies is not illegal in the Philippines, but I also recognize the mods' right to prohibit discussions about pirated downloads for the same reason.
But banning discussions about the player itself, such as pricing/availability and performance, regardless of whether or not any movie downloads are mentioned in the discussion? That's just too much.
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But banning discussions about the player itself, such as pricing/availability and performance, regardless of whether or not any movie downloads are mentioned in the discussion? That's just too much.
I don't think we'll be banning discussions on NMT hardware.
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It might surprise members to know that buying pirated discs is not illegal in the Philippines.
Under R.A. 9239, the act of "purchasing" pirated discs is not specifically prohibited, as long as you do not "knowingly possess" items "of the same content or title" and "with intent to profit" (Sec. 19, par. 2a).
But I recognize the mods' right to prohibit piracy discussions not because it is illegal, but because they have a reputation to protect.
In the same manner, downloading movies is not illegal in the Philippines, but I also recognize the mods' right to prohibit discussions about pirated downloads for the same reason.
But banning discussions about the player itself, such as pricing/availability and performance, regardless of whether or not any movie downloads are mentioned in the discussion? That's just too much.
thanks for the info sir barrister!
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You're very welcome. Here's the full text: http://www.ops.gov.ph/records/ra_no9239.htm
I don't think we'll be banning discussions on NMT hardware.
That is what sir Mouldingo is advocating:
Should any discussion/thread/sale regarding NMTs such as Popcorn Hour, Novatron, or Egreat be banned?
... "ANY discussion/thread ... regarding NMTs..."
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Interesting discussion so far. From what I could gather, the OP doesn't really have an issue with NMT's per se....
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Sir firewired,
So any discussions/comparison of NMT hardware is still OK, but sales which include mention of pirated media "freebies" "loaded", mention comparison/promotions/review of pirated materials used in NMTs will not be tolerated. Also offers to distribute/file share pirated materials is banned. Yes?
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That is what sir Mouldingo is advocating:
... "ANY discussion/thread ... regarding NMTs..."
Yes I understand that. But if I were to follow this train of thought, we'd have banned discussions on generic or low-cost branded DVD players a long time ago. Someone raised that point as well and asked if the PinoyDVD mods could ensure that whenever people talked about cheap DVD players and DVD players that were DivX compatible, the content sources referred to were legitimate ("Kung mura yung player, baka puro pirata lang yung bala..."). Same banana. And my short answer was "We can't ensure legitimacy." I even suggested that if the sentiment against DivX/Xvid was widespread, perhaps an online petition can be started to convince all the hardware manufacturers to remove this feature in future models.
Just to be clear: my position is that hardware is agnostic. References to content played on such hardware cannot be presumed to be pirated unless specific statements in the thread confirm that.
Regarding the sale of NMTs, most recently the eGreat, we're considering ideas on how to better moderate that since despite repeated warnings and PMs, sellers still insist on mentioning "packages" and "freebies".
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I'm satisfied that sir firewired has an open mind and has a deep understanding about the issues.
As always, I will accept whatever position the mods will take, knowing that such positions are never arbitrary, but always carefully deliberated.
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From what I could gather, the OP doesn't really have an issue with NMT's per se....
I don't think so.
The medium is the problem. Its ability to play pirated HD content alone and easier use than a HTPC are enough to entice purchasers. Banning NMTs will make it harder for people to yearn Pirated HD Content.
That post clearly specifies that it's the NMT itself that he objects to, because of its mere "ability".
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Eventually the OMB will step into the piracy issue if NMT become a big success. NMT's success also means that the chances of local distributor selling Bluray titles will be greatly diminished. Even sales of DVDs will be affected. So sooner or later, the local distro would act. So by banning these discussion of 'free' content, PinoyDVD is in fact doing the seller a service. Lest, they be put on the crosshairs of NBI. You can't say' they are not for profit' since the sale of the NMT itself is profit based.
NMT per se is legal. And discussion is probably okay. But it's ascent is really a double-edge sword.
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Okay so the train is finally about to stop. I can't believe it, after locking one poll to another POLL? If the OP has a problem with NMT, then he or she could have made his subject "Should Selling of NMT's Be Banned from PinoyDVD?" Start from the root cause. No source, no referrence less talk. Can you or someone do that?
POLL Result :
Yes, it promotes HD piracy 11 (31.4%)
No, no harm in swapping files. 16 (45.7%)
WTH are you talking about??? 8 (22.9
This thread still promotes the use of NMT and piracy dont you think? I am still being convinced by some that NMT's are the way to go by reading this WTH are you talking about thread. But I will still BUY MORE DVD''s for my collection even though I already have an NMT.
This thread is finished. The Master already gave his side on this matter. Enough of fingerpointing. Let's move and be mature enough to know what is right and what is wrong. "may times talaga na napapasarap ang usapan...kung saan saan na napupunta, wala pang hawak na beer yan ha". ;D
MABUHAY ANG PINOYDVD!
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Okay, I read the gist of the thread, but I didn't go through the particulars. Here's my take though:
- The Group buy thread got out of hand, and in my opinion, should be moved to the Buy and Sell forum, if not removed at all. I am personally against the idea of mixing commerce with technical discussions. But it was fun and exciting and I got a bit out of hand. Needless to say, if something like that ever occurs again (group buy), it won't be on the SOURCES DISCUSSION sub-forum.
- I find myself agreeing to the OPs sentiments that NMTs can be a vehicle that promotes piracy and can be against the spirit in which PinoyDVD is established. However, I find myself returning to this site because this is where it's at: the bleeding edge of local home entertainment technology.
It's going to be a tough call but however which way this ends up, I hope that we can continue to discuss technologies relevant to the home entertainment field. Of course, I do think that we've gone past the point where we're living up to the site's name (DVD), but since the site's name is a brand in itself, it would be a shame to do away with it and establish PinoyBluRay just to remain accurate to the nature of our discussions.
- Bottom line for me is: discussions about technology - good. Discussion about piracy - bad. Commerce related discussions should remain in the Buy and Sell section too.
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Eventually the OMB will step into the piracy issue if NMT become a big success. NMT's success also means that the chances of local distributor selling Bluray titles will be greatly diminished. Even sales of DVDs will be affected. So sooner or later, the local distro would act. So by banning these discussion of 'free' content, PinoyDVD is in fact doing the seller a service. Lest, they be put on the crosshairs of NBI. You can't say' they are not for profit' since the sale of the NMT itself is profit based.
NMT per se is legal. And discussion is probably okay. But it's ascent is really a double-edge sword.
if your scenario plays out, then its an uphill battle, this is what is happening in western countries, and this content providers are going after these net pirates by shutting down their sites,servers and etc., but you close one down, ten others open up, and with p2p, its really a very resource heavy task and i dont think our government has the capability to fight it, not at this point. as it is, the omb is already hard pressed in controlling brick and mortar pirates, let alone the manpower and resources to go after net pirates.
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if your scenario plays out, then its an uphill battle, this is what is happening in western countries, and this content providers are going after these net pirates by shutting down their sites,servers and etc., but you close one down, ten others open up, and with p2p, its really a very resource heavy task and i dont think our government has the capability to fight it, not at this point. as it is, the omb is already hard pressed in controlling brick and mortar pirates, let alone the manpower and resources to go after net pirates.
net pirates are hard to catch but offline stores aren't. Like targetting stores that sell preloaded PC with unlicensed Windows, it was a success that few store does now. There are other ways like what the RIAA is doing, target the biggest uploaders, make a mountain out of that molehill and the majority toes the line...
Actually the term' no harm in swapping files' is not about NMT discussion per se, there's harm in swapping files - just as the ad before many DVD says, would you steal from a Video shop? But I am no hypocrite, I support originals but nobody can be 100% legit these days.
I think Firewired's solution should work for now, and go back to the issue as it materializes. It's a fluid situation. Before you know it, NMT might be as commonplace as DVD players. If I'm not wrong, I seen one at CDR-King. That's a sign that it will soon reach mass market... and if the mass media catches on, OMB might take notice. So as said PinoyDVD's policy is in fact doing the sellers a favor.
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net pirates are hard to catch but offline stores aren't. Like targetting stores that sell preloaded PC with unlicensed Windows, it was a success that few store does now. There are other ways like what the RIAA is doing, target the biggest uploaders, make a mountain out of that molehill and the majority toes the line...
Actually the term' no harm in swapping files' is not about NMT discussion per se, there's harm in swapping files - just as the ad before many DVD says, would you steal from a Video shop? But I am no hypocrite, I support originals but nobody can be 100% legit these days.
I think Firewired's solution should work for now, and go back to the issue as it materializes. It's a fluid situation. Before you know it, NMT might be as commonplace as DVD players. If I'm not wrong, I seen one at CDR-King. That's a sign that it will soon reach mass market... and if the mass media catches on, OMB might take notice. So as said PinoyDVD's policy is in fact doing the sellers a favor.
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Thank you, firewired! :)
@barrister, thank you for the legal clarifications. I learned something new today. :)
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I'm satisfied that sir firewired has an open mind and has a deep understanding about the issues.
As always, I will accept whatever position the mods will take, knowing that such positions are never arbitrary, but always carefully deliberated.
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I don't think so.
That post clearly specifies that it's the NMT itself that he objects to, because of its mere "ability".
I'd have to disagree.
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Then let's just agree to disagree. :D
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I'd have to disagree.
I'd have to disagree with the disagreement. I dont think the OP, for whatever reason, can segregate the NMT device from what it does so well and what it can potentially do. And I cannot appreciate at all the antagonistic attitude towards the very strong performance of the NMT against the BD. Eh kung talagang maganda ba eh. In any case,why feel threatened at all if you already have what you think is the best technology available at the moment? UNFAIR sa collectors? - yung nakaka-afford nga to maintain 100% legitimacy ang dapat kainggitan eh. Anybody here who loves NMTS or HTPC ever thought of "Screw BD?"
That's why I voted for WTH are you talking about.
But yeah, the discussions certainly crossed the line because so many grown ups started acting like kids wanting and praising their marvelous Xmas toy in utter excitement. But were they intentionally promoting piracy? Or it doesnt matter whether the intention was there or not.
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May legal ba na Ironman HD na puwede i-download? Pati Band of Brothers, meron din ba? Saan ba galing mga kopya ng mga iyan? Di ba kung may kopya ka na puwedeng libre, ayaw mo na ng bumili ng orig. Pareho din sa sa pirated na DVD. Piracy is still piracy. HD files played NMTs and HTPCs are pirated/ripped files since there are no legal HD files to speak of...
Bro, the following link is my "bible" for HD DVD ripping and converting to mkv. "Bible" meaning I've read and understood it well (or so I thought), but in real life, it's certainly not that convenient to do especially with the time constraints. The ripping part is quite straightforward and fast using AnyDVD HD. The conversion part is the headache (or could be the fun part depending on your outlook). Can be done but DL is much more convenient especially for simultaneous acquisition.
I havent tried a BD yet because I don't have BD, but it appears to me that BD conversion is even more complicated than that of of HD DVD. Good luck anyways and have fun.
http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=14452
Havent tried Windows Media Center with mkv yet.
Cheers
BTW Bro, any playback problems with some of the 1080ps using your gadgets? Since I came back to Tokyo, I spent some time "actually watching" and set aside some very problematic 1080ps. Even my C2D powered PC gumagapang sa bigat somewhere along the 2-hour playback.
So what I have been doing is replacing those titles with ones that play well (720p nga lang). For instance, that great 10-part WW2 classic about the 101st Airborne, I have gotten the 45GB "smooth" version because the 50GB+ version that you have is so bloody heavy on my systems. Pati si Arnold sa Mars, kinuhaan ko na ng watchable version. Still in the process of finding smooth versions of Keanu extracting hydrogen from water and recently, that movie about a highly placed CIA mole.
If your NMT(s) can play all those 1080ps well, then that would be the biggest advantage of an NMT over a PC. Would really appreciate if you could share your experience with the 1080ps Bro - kung may problem I'll find the alternatives here. Thanks
Let's take the 1080p challenge.
Please watch the following 1080p titles using your NMTs and share your experience. These titles can turn my C2D PC to a zombie.
1. 3:10 Yuma
2. Chain Reactions
3. Elizabeth The Golden Age
4. Total Recall
5. The Other Boleyn Girl
6. Band of Brothers
7. Breach (BTW, C2D managed to play this but the audio and video are out of synch. If its any consolation, 780G chipset based PC of my friend is NO GO)
If you dont any of the above, I can let you have them during my next vacation to test your NMTs.
Meron talagang maayos na encodes (or magaling na encoders - those whose MEGUI does not crash during the conversion to mkv), or tolerable yung frequency ng stutters and/or out-of-synch. Sana ganon lahat.
Mga OK na 1080ps I've watch so far (well Ok for my C2D but not ok for my Pentium D). Still not perfect for some but tolerable enough to completely watch.
Ironman
Vantage Point
Michael Clayton
Anger Management
John Mayer LA Concert
Batman Begins
Shinobi
Basic Instinct
Street Kings
Mummy 1
Mummy 2
Million Dollar Baby
Xmen 3
The Usual Suspects
Spiderwick Chronicles
The Ruins
The Island
The Bank Job
Star Wars 1 - 6
Sin City
Reign Over Me
Ratatouille
Rambo 1-4
National Treasures 1
National Treasures 2
Matrix 1 - 3
LOTR 1 - 3
Indy Jones 1 - 3
Ice Age 2
Hitch
Heroes Season 2
Gangs Of New York
Fool's Gold
Fantastic 4
Elizabeth
Drillbit Taylor
Catch and Release
Brave One
Blood Diamond
Black Hawk Down
Behind Enemy Lines
Batle Of The Bulge
A Mighty Heart
88 Minutes
50 First Dates
2001 Space Odyssey
12 Monkeys
Again, some are not as perfect as 720ps in terms of playback but acceptable imperfections.
KELAN? KELAN? Santa Claus! ;D
oo nga sir clondalkin, sabihan mo lang kami, and will like to have the above stuff. ;D
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I think that everybody who buys an NMT has got to be thinking of watching movies first and foremost, so I'd have to agree with the OP's contention of that. Whatever else you do with your NMT that are very much legal depends on the individual owner.
It should be common sense by now that any seller who sells an HDD packaged with NMT has got to contain something. Otherwise, that woud be like giving you a car in the middle of the desert with empty tank. It is already widely known that those sellers and many other members have some contents in whatever storage media they own. So lets just stop talking about those contents publicly. Kase kapag may nagtanong, maraming sasagot eh. Unang una na siguro ako.
So, dun sa mga interested sa NMTs, please refrain from posting lines such as "meron bang freebies", "what are the freebies", "please PM the freebies", "endless refills" "PM the list" etc. Just contact the seller privately if you want more details.
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So, dun sa mga interested sa NMTs, please refrain from posting lines such as "meron bang freebies", "what are the freebies", "please PM the freebies", "endless refills" "PM the list" etc. Just contact the seller privately if you want more details.
Right sir Gren?
Hi guys, I have about 3 500gb drive units ready. Just SMS me to claim.
I filled it to the brim, but we can trim off a few titles so we can add in a few more that you'd want.
SMS or email me for standard set listing :>
My yahoo ID is richie_see btw.
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Sir Clodalkin, may legal ba na Ironman HD na puwede in download? Pati Band of Brothers, meron din ba?
Perhaps meron BOB legally, pero wala pa Ironman for sure. So you think I am promoting piracy by informing people what they might want to read about instead of simply looking at what I think are mindless pictures showing of BD cases? I really dont mind I guess but basahin mo mabuti yung posts ko. I am trying to clarify just how good the NMT or the HTPC perform because I was stunned by the results of the shoot-out. I do cross the line sometimes or maybe oftentimes because it's hard to explain the point without doing so. Bahala ka to interpret it any way you want. I would even recommend something like The BBC HD Special on The Shroud of Turin and Walking The Bible which you would probably never ever see on a BD. Well you might not be interested if you are not a Christian, or your conscience and principles might not be able to take that. But you know what, I sleep better at night because I spend the equivalent of close to 75 pieces worth of BD every year sending total Filipino strangers with very poor background to high school. Might not justify my preferences in terms of acquisition at all, but kanya kanya lang priorities at buhay yan. Just be thankful of what you have.
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But you know what, I sleep better at night because I spend the equivalent of close to 75 pieces worth of BD every year sending total Filipino strangers with very poor background to high school. Might not justify my preferences in terms of acquisition at all, but kanya kanya lang priorities at buhay yan. Just be thankful of what you have.
Would you encourage PinoyDVD people to buy legal HD copies instead of downloading/swapping "free" files?
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Actually, that's the 'quaint' thing about NMT's, especially here in the philippines -- we don't have any service that would allow legal downloading of HD content.
If it were available and reasonably priced (e.g. same cost as a 2 disc dvd, for example), I think there would be a lot of takers.
Personally, more than the quality of the content NMT's can play, I really enjoy the ability to have your ENTIRE library at your finger tips. I've ripped my personal collection, whether that's legal or not is one thing, whether it's FAIR USE is another, but I digress.
But personally I think we should just limit our discussions to the NMT hardware itself -- particularly what it can and cannot do, the problems involved and it's other potential uses (network storage, multi-media jukebox).
I personally would like to see the eventual facilitation and legalisation of legal P2P downloads, but that's really another discussion. My hope is that we see beyond mere finger pointing and open our minds towards possibilities rather than just close ourselves against something that has the potential to change how we acquire, view and store our beloved movies.
I'm confident that most people will find the above agreeable at the very least :>
EDIT: grammatical correction :P
Would you encourage PinoyDVD people to buy legal HD copies instead of downloading/swapping "free" files?
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Would you encourage PinoyDVD people to buy legal HD copies instead of downloading/swapping "free" files?
I encourage them to experience HD but it's none of my business what any member would like to do with their life. As I wrote, everybody has his priorities. I know what piracy is all about but I cannot be inconsiderate to agree that if you cannot afford to buy HD, then you should not experience HD. That's seflishness in my Filipino heart. If someone can afford to buy legal copies, great, fine. If not, so be it. This is the Philippines we are talking about. I was totally legit of DVDs until June 2006. Completely legit of CDs since 1990. Completely legit of Xbox, Ipod and PC until now, but I dont' have anything against people who have more than me in terms of quantities just because they chose the "cheaper" option. I let Hollywood, Microsoft and the music studios worry about that.
I get lots of PMs and emails from members and lurkers asking for technical information on how to use their PCs, or set-up their PCs, or stream their stuff, or rip their collections, or torrents 101. All those sorts of things. I dont see any problem sharing my knowledge and I dont care what they do about that as long as they dont kill anybody with the info I share. Besides, most of the info being asked are actually available in the biggest public library called the internet pero yung ibang tao gusto lang ng step by step guideline. But among the messages I ignore are all requests for file sharing, offers to buy my files alone, requests for invitations.
I think if I were in your position, I would just be a very happy camper.
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But personally I think we should just limit our discussions to the NMT hardware itself -- particularly what it can and cannot do, the problems involved and it's other potential uses (network storage, multi-media jukebox).
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EDIT: grammatical correction :P
you can start by deleting your offer of 100 "free" titles :P
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I think that because of the excitement that the NMT generated, we actually forgot about what should be discussed in private and in public. At one point, I was guilty of this.
Let's face it folks, whether we agree with "file swaps" or "downloading" or whatever else is out there, they exist. And they will continue to exist with or without our involvement. I am new at NMT (all I have is a real popcorn bucket) but I'd be lying if I say that I did not enjoy my first night with it connected to my panel.
Is it the NMT that's the issue here? I believe not.
I agree with Richie. Let's talk about NMT's other features/uses/technology...I'm sure it can do more than just play HD movies.
And as far as "matters" that should be kept private...let's keep them private. We all know what those are. ;D
So, should subjects on NMT be banned?..."one topic" should be..the rest, IMo, shouldn't.
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We've received e-mail from concerned members about the discussion of pirated DVDs on the site. After much thought, we've decided that a certain degree of tact and caution never hurt anyone, so here's the deal:
PinoyDVD.com is about DVDs for DVD enthusiasts. We are interested in the content and technical aspects of the DVD format, the joys of collecting, frustrations regarding pricing and availability, etc. However, the details of where and how you get your DVDs is your business, not ours. While collectively we don't agree with enforced regional coding, we do recognize that piracy is a critical concern for everyone, whether you reject it, endorse it, or occasionally participate in it.
Therefore, please limit all posts to movie title and technical references, and refrain from mentioning and discussing pirated discs. You can buy your DVDs for P10 for all we care, but if a person wants details about where you got the disc, please discuss it over PM or e-mail. As always, we reserve the right to edit posts that we feel may not represent the best interests of the community.
This is the policy that's currently in place. I'll be updating it within the next 2 days as we make changes to the relevant forums.
This poll thread and the one that preceded it will eventually be transferred.
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Locked again, since with recent posts [which were subsequently deleted, making this post look stupid >:(], I really see this thread escalating into a flame war very soon.
Sorry.