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Home Theater => Audio => Tubes => Topic started by: Chito C. on Nov 26, 2004 at 02:53 PM
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Just curious as to how much these are (Sars?)
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Try contacting Wiredstatehttp://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4616&start=45 if the Tono Personal(http://img84.exs.cx/img84/1219/SF_WS_Tono807_amp.jpg)
is still available at the Introductory price. During the Wiredstate Nov Hi-Fi show it was sold at a special price of only P17,000.00.
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Can I add a pre-amp to my yamaha rxv 440 to make the sound better (for audio) or should I seperate audio and ht?
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Of course pre you can connect a preamp to your yamaha receiver
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Of course pre you can connect a preamp to your yamaha receiver
Halatang newbie
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lahat naman tayo sir dumaan sa ganyan mga palaisipan e, newbie man o hindi kung you just thought of it and havent really tried it, same question din yan.
but it would be best if your avr or amp for that matter have main ins.
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pre - read the earlier pages of the wiredstate projects thread in the tube section :) makita mo dun kung gaano kami ka eng eng sa tubes nung simula ;)
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Chito,
sama ka na lang sa session para ma sars este ma audition mo yun mga different gears na meron. ;D ;D
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AMX tube amps would be a good choice if you're planning on getting a starter's tube amp.
and don't forget the JD Labs Creations of JojoD which is another option!
;)
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Chito,
sama ka na lang sa session para ma sars este ma audition mo yun mga different gears na meron. ;D ;D
Onga, para malaman mo talga ang iba't-ibang flavors ng tubes... ;)
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JD Labs :o bago to ah! ;D
and don't forget the JD Labs Creations of JojoD which is another option!
;)
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JD Labs Creations ??? napag usap na to sa bundok ;D ;D ;D
JD Labs _________________ (Fill in the Blanks)
eto sakin: JD Labs Creatures ;D ;D ;D OT na to!
Seriously, we are inviting you to our next session, we have all the tube amp to choose from ;)
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pwede po ba ko dito? ;D
JD Labs Creations ??? napag usap na to sa bundok ;D ;D ;D
JD Labs _________________ (Fill in the Blanks)
eto sakin: JD Labs Creatures ;D ;D ;D OT na to!
Seriously, we are inviting you to our next session, we have all the tube amp to choose from ;)
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NOW AVAILABLE at the Home Theater...
(http://www.yarland.com/en/products/images/34b2.gif) (http://www.yarland.com/en/products/images/34b2.gif)
(http://www.yarland.com/en/products/images/34b2.gif) (http://www.yarland.com/en/products/images/34b2.gif)
YARLAND INTEGRATED TUBE AMPLIFIER - FV-34b Mk III
RMS Power output 35W
Output Load impadance 4-8 ohms
Vacuum Tubes: El34 x 4 and 6F2 x 2
Input Jacks: 2
Hand-Made Real Wooden Panel
ONLY Php 21,000.00!!!
a good starter integrated tube amplifier for the budget conscious tube afficionado...for more info, you may click the following link --> http://www.yarland.com
call 812-5235 or 813-8443 for best price...thanks and god bless!
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Pwede sir para madala mo din yung creations mo ;D etching!
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NOW AVAILABLE at the Home Theater...
(http://www.yarland.com/en/products/images/34b2.gif) (http://www.yarland.com/en/products/images/34b2.gif)
(http://www.yarland.com/en/products/images/34b2.gif) (http://www.yarland.com/en/products/images/34b2.gif)
YARLAND INTEGRATED TUBE AMPLIFIER - FV-34b Mk III
RMS Power output 35W
Output Load impadance 4-8 ohms
Vacuum Tubes: El34 x 4 and 6F2 x 2
Input Jacks: 2
Hand-Made Real Wooden Panel
ONLY Php 21,000.00!!!
a good starter integrated tube amplifier for the budget conscious tube afficionado...for more info, you may click the following link --> http://www.yarland.com
call 812-5235 or 813-8443 for best price...thanks and god bless!
mukhang best buy eto pre. sa itsura palang ok na. but how's the sound?
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yeah, has anyone auditioned it yet?
looks cool..... i do hope it lives to expectations.
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ganda sa mata... bakit parang kulang yata yung tube compliment nya?? dalawa lang pre-amp tubes?
with the proliferation of cheaper branded tube amps like that, i'm sure AMX and wiredstate would soon reconsider their pricing policies. ;D
which is good for the hobby ;D
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here's the pro version of the above picture.
(http://www.yarland.com/en/products/images/2000B.gif)
and here's what i've found in the net. different brand but almost the same.
(http://www.leoinstruments.com.hk/images/LR-362B.jpg)
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heard it this morning, my office is just a stone's throw away from sonny's...was impressed...try to audition it...thanks! 8)
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looks like some of them are solid state rectified like duntonic amps
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Pm nyo naman ako sa susunod na session nyo. OK ba yung Marantz na amplifier model pm 550DC? Meron pala kami sa bahay nakatago pero gumagana.
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Try mo ikabit sa current setup mo, baka may improvement. Let us know the result ;)
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Try it tonight.
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superman,
Ok yan para mas marami choices ng new Tube converts.. :)
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chito,
Pre abangan mo yun project ng AMX baka maglabas ng affordable tube amp.. :)
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Pm nyo naman ako sa susunod na session nyo. OK ba yung Marantz na amplifier model pm 550DC? Meron pala kami sa bahay nakatago pero gumagana.
Sure sama ka, usually saturdays yun session. Di pa sure kung may session this saturday pero will keep you posted.
At least you can audition tube amps and even ss gears at may libre ka pang friends. ;D Meron kasi mura at meron din mahal, so it's up to you kung san pasok ang budget mo. ;)
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chito,
Pre abangan mo yun project ng AMX baka maglabas ng affordable tube amp.. :)
Onga, at sumama ka na rin sa pila kung sakali... ;D
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chito,
May update na sa AMX project sa kabilang thread.. konti antay na lang. :D
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chito,
May update na sa AMX project sa kabilang thread.. konti antay na lang. :D
yeah........its the price buster AMX tube amp!
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sana may magawa ng isa para ma audition na natin yan >:D
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sana may magawa ng isa para ma audition na natin yan >:D
sa mga ganyan hiraman c KoyA ang bahala dyan >:D >:D
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oy, wala bang session this sat? boring e puor bagyo na lang ina-atopag ko! ;D
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oy, wala bang session this sat? boring e puor bagyo na lang ina-atopag ko! ;D
Pahinga daw muna Sir at baka mabasa yung mga gears.. ;D
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eyeing for tube amp, what can you recommend? my type of music is mostly rock!
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audition EL34 or 6550 push pull amps
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thanks puink kid ;) what brand is sonically better ?
audition EL34 or 6550 push pull amps
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thanks puink kid ;) what brand is sonically better ?
sonics can be subjective, what may sound good to others may sound bad to you. although the guys here can pick which amp sounds more dynamic, or natural or other sonical properties, the key is still to audition and decide which would be your choice.
HTH
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jojo is right ! keep on auditioning.... a lot of brands out there... be adventurous!
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I am also open with DIY tube amp. When you say DIY, will it available cheap? I just want to have an amp that i like and satisfy me.
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Mga bro me session pa ba kayo? will bring snack! ;D
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I am also open with DIY tube amp. When you say DIY, will it available cheap? I just want to have an amp that i like and satisfy me.
meron DIY na cheap meron din DIY na expensive. this will depend on the parts(premium/not premium) that will be used. it is best to determine your budget for your ideal pang-rock na amp so you can narrow down your choices to what you might call "cheapest tube amps/entry level tube amps" and at the same time satisfy you.
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sir jetok thanks. :) you mean, price will depend on the parts to be used? how will i know if the parts use is premium and not premium? di ba mahirap malaman yun for the beginner? is the branded tube amp is using the so called premium parts?
meron DIY na cheap meron din DIY na expensive. this will depend on the parts(premium/not premium) that will be used. it is best to determine your budget for your ideal pang-rock na amp so you can narrow down your choices to what you might call "cheapest tube amps/entry level tube amps" and at the same time satisfy you.
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I am also open with DIY tube amp. When you say DIY, will it available cheap? I just want to have an amp that i like and satisfy me.
i think the keyword here is "cheapest", now the question is if you'll like what a "cheapest" amp sounds like is again a subjective matter. in a DIY amp, you can make it as cheap as it gets and also as expensive too. choices of parts dictates the overall costs of a project, the cheaper the parts, the cheaper the overall cost will be.
once upon a time i was taught (and verified it in practice) that audio gears that have the designation of: entry level, mid-level, reference/flagship models share the same topological circuit design but differs mainly in the parts used, of course the reference models have the best parts.
this explains why an entry level amp shares the same circuit board as a reference amp has but with different parts and sometimes parts are omitted to simplify the circuit. this saves money on the design and parts cost but gives the audio company several offerings to the public with different budget levels.
HTH,
JojoD818
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sir jetok thanks. :) you mean, price will depend on the parts to be used?
Yup price will depend greatly on the parts to be used. But please try to be very extra careful when people claim that the equipment that you'll buy or the parts to be used are quality parts and not "fake" nor the "el cheapo" ones that can easily be bought at raon. But please do bear in mind that not all quality parts may have a very desirable end result. This also depends on what circuit it is to be used on or how the circuit is to be implemented. Remember , you don't want to put in diesel on a gasoline engine. ;)
how will i know if the parts use is premium and not premium? di ba mahirap malaman yun for the beginner? is the branded tube amp is using the so called premium parts?
Premium from not premium???????.............. Hmmmm............ Nice question. First, you really need not be an expert on telling whether it is premium from not premium. Try to research on the parts mentioned in this forum or from other forums. Ika nga nila "new words i learned". Definitely there are many pics and articles available in the net regarding these parts, if you want i can post some. Another thing, try to seek advice from other forum members, "technicians" or DIYers. There's no harm in trying to know different opinions, bro. Mahirap naman kung masyado kang maniniwala sa isang tao lang, diba. ::) ;) Minsan ayaw pabuksan yung equipment para di ma-void yung warranty achuchuchu...... yun pala para di mo makita na fake or cheap parts pala ang nakalagay pero the price they're asking is for way beyond the price for premium parts. Sometimes some sellers or technicians will even go to the extent of blurting out so much technical stuff or even inventing brands and part names (errrrrrrrrr.... >:( >:( >:( ) just to pull-it off.
is the branded tube amp is using the so called premium parts?
Nope not all branded tube amps use premium parts. Well, some or most of them use only standard or should i say ordinary parts. Why? Basically, it's really to cut down on production cost which in turn reduces "pass-on" costs to the market. In other words, para maibenta sa abot kayang halaga. :)
just my 2 cents worth
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i can only agree with kim...
btw, OT: kumusta na? :D :D :D
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i can only agree with kim...
btw, OT: kumusta na? :D :D :D
Heto papindot-pindot laang ng keyboard. Namumuni-muni sa susundo na upgrade. ;D ;D ;D
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sabi ko na nga ba eh, hehehehe! same cell number ka pa rin ba? :D :D :D
baka naka-CA ka na ha! hehehehe! :D :D :D
may napuntahan akong tindahan ng LP sa cubao, aba kilalang-kilala ka dun ha, pinakyaw niyo na daw yung magaganda...hehehe! :D :D :D
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sabi ko na nga ba eh, hehehehe! same cell number ka pa rin ba? :D :D :D
baka naka-CA ka na ha! hehehehe! :D :D :D
may napuntahan akong tindahan ng LP sa cubao, aba kilalang-kilala ka dun ha, pinakyaw niyo na daw yung magaganda...hehehe! :D :D :D
kakatapos ko lang pasadahan kahapon uli ;D ;D ;D ;D
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sabi ko na nga ba eh, hehehehe! same cell number ka pa rin ba? :D :D :D
baka naka-CA ka na ha! hehehehe! :D :D :D
may napuntahan akong tindahan ng LP sa cubao, aba kilalang-kilala ka dun ha, pinakyaw niyo na daw yung magaganda...hehehe! :D :D :D
yan pa mauunahan mo? piranha nga yan eh. peace. ;D
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you don't need to have an all parlor parts amp or preamp to have quality sound. how the part is used is in the circuit can account on the way it sounds.
or there are times when it is just psychological, knowing that you have the best parts that money can buy means that your gear sounds the best. wrong. check the design, if you don't know how, then listen to what sound it makes.
remember, little knowledge can be dangerous. for those who know nothing may feel astounded by the sound that parlor parts make on their gears.
my advice to you still is to listen.
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btw, if you have friends who like using premium parts then by all means buy an amp with premium parts. otherwise magmumukhang kawawa naman ang gear mo kasi lahat ng kaibigan mo naka premium parts. :D :D :D
but if you like the way an amp sounds as is even without premium parts then the hell with your friends. ;D ;D ;D ;D
you see it all boils down to one thing... your ears.
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kakatapos ko lang pasadahan kahapon uli ;D ;D ;D ;D
yan pa mauunahan mo? piranha nga yan eh. peace. ;D
nakow, patay na naman! :D :D :D
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My actual experience is with my foreplay preamp, i just recently replace the generic CROWN MKP caps which i usually use on prototype into Auricap (2.2uF/200V). The difference is big, more refined, detailed and tight on the bass region (yun nga lng, mahal ;D).
This is my personal experience with premium parts which others attested it many times.
Teka, parang SS and tube rectified PSU ah! ;D
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Teka, parang SS and tube rectified PSU ah! ;D
brings back memories... ;D ;D ;D
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mga sirs,
thanks vmuch will all your inputs. i'll just familiarized myself with the so called premium parts para alam ko at kung na satisfy naman ako sa not premium ok na yun. i just want to make sure na yung hard earned money ko is sulit and tama yung mga parts na nakalagay.
now, can you teach me how to identify those parts.
salamat sa inyo and more power :)
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Eraser,
Tama lahat sila... don't believe with anybody saying na maganda parlor parts or maganda circuit kaya maganda sound.. minsan matching lang with IC, speaker cable or speaker mo iba na sound..
Important is maganda sound sa iyo!! ;D ;D O0
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for short......................................................................depende sa you :):)
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welcome back, j_albert! :D
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sir hans,
thanks for advise. :)
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welcome back, j_albert! :D
busy lang po sa work? new adventure kc ;)
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busy lang po sa work? new adventure kc ;)
GOOD TOKNOW YOU'RE BACK, PARE!...thanks! :D
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AMX EL34 Integrated Tube Amp P17,500
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/henryhans/session1/P1040454.jpg)
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mga sirs,
thanks vmuch will all your inputs. i'll just familiarized myself with the so called premium parts para alam ko at kung na satisfy naman ako sa not premium ok na yun. i just want to make sure na yung hard earned money ko is sulit and tama yung mga parts na nakalagay.
now, can you teach me how to identify those parts.
Punta ka sa partsconnexion.com. Yung mahal presyo premium parts yon. ;D Maganda don may pictures. Meron pa ngang super premium (tantalum resistors, teflon capacitors) and meron ding kalokohan na tulad nung $428 wooden knob ng Audio Consulting sa refereceaudiomods.com ;D
Amps meron din premium and cheap variation tulad ng primaluna prologue 1 vs. cayin mt-35 or rivoed st-70 vs. stock st-70 :P ;D
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Punta ka sa partsconnexion.com. Yung mahal presyo premium parts yon. ;D Maganda don may pictures. Meron pa ngang super premium (tantalum resistors, teflon capacitors) and meron ding kalokohan na tulad nung $428 wooden knob ng Audio Consulting sa refereceaudiomods.com ;D
Amps meron din premium and cheap variation tulad ng primaluna prologue 1 vs. cayin mt-35 or rivoed st-70 vs. stock st-70 :P ;D
grabe yun wooden knob bro
;D ;D ;D
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OT: Makes me wonder meron na kayang bumili non? O kaya yung silver rock potentiometer signature na $6.8K !!!
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OT: Makes me wonder meron na kayang bumili non? O kaya yung silver rock potentiometer signature na $6.8K !!!
nakuh poh! may mas matindi pa pala dun sa wooden knob? 2nd hand car na ang halaga nyan potentiometer na yan ah! ;D ;D mag DACT na lang ako, grabe naman yan. ;D ;D ;D
pang showcase lang yata yan bro hindi pang practical setup. grabe talaga... muntik ako malaglag sa upuan. ;D ;D ;D
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AMX EL34 Integrated Tube Amp P17,500
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/henryhans/session1/P1040454.jpg)
ano specs nito sir? SS rectified ba?
ano ang kasamang tubes? meron bang power amp only version nito
salamat po.
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They come in either tube or ss rectified. About 35 watts/channel. Preamp uses 6n1p or 6922, phase splitter I think is 12au7, then Svetlana el34 for output. There's a power amp model that's slightly cheaper (P16.5K). Aside from having no volume control, the preamp section is ommitted. There are only two input sources. Triode or ultralinear selectable.
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They come in either tube or ss rectified. About 35 watts/channel. Preamp uses 6n1p or 6922, phase splitter I think is 12au7, then Svetlana el34 for output. There's a power amp model that's slightly cheaper (P16.5K). Aside from having no volume control, the preamp section is ommitted. There are only two input sources. Triode or ultralinear selectable.
Garp,
I believe its 25 watts and EH el34 was used we just ask edwin to swap the power tube to svetlana (pero plus extra 1,300 ) coz mas mahal yun svetlana sa EH. :)
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I stand corrected then. :)
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There's an SS rectified EL34, version 2, 35 wpc w/ Svetlana tubes, 24k.
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There's an SS rectified EL34, version 2, 35 wpc w/ Svetlana tubes, 24k.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/henryhans/session1/P1040450.jpg)
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ano specs nito sir? SS rectified ba?
ano ang kasamang tubes? meron bang power amp only version nito
salamat po.
Sir tuff
Ito yun pix nun power amp version.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/henryhans/session1/P1040467.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/henryhans/session1/P1040450.jpg)
Sir Hans,
The amp in the pic is tube rectified. If I recall correctly, this is also 24k w/ Mullard EL34's.
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opss hehehe ;D
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Php24K with mullard EL34s? :o
A quad of mullard EL34 is around Php20K! :o Bro, are you sure?
Sir Hans,
The amp in the pic is tube rectified. If I recall correctly, this is also 24k w/ Mullard EL34's.
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Php24K with mullard EL34s? :o
A quad of mullard EL34 is around Php20K! :o Bro, are you sure?
Sir s2kov, Mullard yung sinabi sa akin. Hindi rin kasi ako familiar w/ brands :-\ Baka new-production Mullards. Matched pair sa thetubestore.com (http://www.thetubestore.com/mullardel34.html) is $39.95.
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baka new production nga :) what i'm referring is NOS which is made from Great Britain! ;D
Sir s2kov, Mullard yung sinabi sa akin. Hindi rin kasi ako familiar w/ brands :-\ Baka new-production Mullards. Matched pair sa thetubestore.com (http://www.thetubestore.com/mullardel34.html) is $39.95.
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Sir tuff
Ito yun pix nun power amp version.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/henryhans/session1/P1040467.jpg)
thanks a lot garp, bumblebee and hans;
for the amp above, what is the driver tube?
follow up: meron bang el84/6bq5 amp na SS rectified like the dynaco st-35 si andrew? sana mas
mura pa ito.
thanks!
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guys,
kukuha na ko nyan kapag NOS MUllard tubes ang ikakabit, lumalabas 4k na lang yung amp ;D :P
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follow up: meron bang el84/6bq5 amp na SS rectified like the dynaco st-35 si andrew? sana mas
mura pa ito.
Hi,
Just talk to Andrew and tell him what you want. I got an AMX EL 84 from him and mura nga.
Louie
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there is an el84 based amx integrated amp selling for 14k, it uses 2 pairs of el84s, forgot the driver tubes though.
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Dear all,
I'm a newbie here, and definitely wet behind the ears when it comes to tube amps.
I wish to switch to tube amps especially after I heard my favorite band (Acoustic Alchemy) being played on my friend's VTL. Sabi niya nakaka-addict daw makinig sa tube amps. I agree! And now I'm switching over the tube amps.
The problem is that I don't know what to look for in terms of quality and delivery of good sounds.
Can you guys help a newbie like me?
Thanks in advance.
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I believe that it is only you who can decide on the quality of sound...at the end of the day, it is you who will listen to the amp... who will appreciate the tube magic and no one else. though an old cliche, let your ears decide and not others.
the forum here would act only as a guide or reference for your search of sonic nirvana, so they say.
happy hunting!
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Thanks, new age. I'll definitely go hunting. :)
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Thanks, new age. I'll definitely go hunting. :)
And remember. play the song that you wanna hear(Acoustic Alchemy) in every gear. if you have a particular speaker in mind, try it in every amp. also the player. tt or cd. ;)
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And by the way Acoustic Alchemy, I also love Acoustic Alchemy specially their Against the Grain Album, great recording, 20-bit to the real sense of the word.
I bet you already have their Greatest Hits cd.
Good Luck!
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Thanks, new age :)
Yes, I'll bring a couple of Acoustic Alchemy CDs with me to test the tubes that will suit my taste. I'll be scouring Makati Cinema Square and Park Square this Saturday.
To the other friends that I haven't met here, can you recommend some stores that offer affordable yet fantastic amps? I believe there is a topic here somewhere that lists the addresses of these stores. However, I will really value whatever inputs that you may have regarding their staff and stuff.
A private mail will be excellent so as not to offend the stores that do not meet your auditory and public relations standards.
Again, many thanks for helping a newbie like me discover the wonderful world of good tube amps and music. :)