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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: meateater on Jan 17, 2011 at 07:53 AM
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Hi pinoydvders, just wanted to ask for your opinion regarding trumotion / motionflow technology,
whether or not I should consider this factor when purchasing a tv.
So far, I am looking at the samsung series 6 40", toshiba 40av700, or maybe a toshiba led or lg led tv.
Primary use is for cable tv watching 1/3, hd movies viewing 1/3 and gaming 1/3.
Mga masters, I'm looking forward to your valuable input!
Salamats!
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for movies and gaming, I want to have the trumotion / motionflow technology feature enabled...
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Star Wars HDTV on a 240Hz motionflow Sony HX is the coolest version of SW Ive ever watched. It was quite a novelty but I dont know if I (or my eyes) would not tire of that kind of look. But yeah, it looks quite nice.
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Same question here. I dont like the camcorder effect when watching downloaded tv shows. The picure seems to speed up a bit also. Would a NMT help? Is the video processing from a NMT better than the TV? (I have a Samsung 40c6900) I either use the clear setting or turn it off completely. I normally download US sd tv shows with the occasional MKV shows.
I just want shows as judders and blur free as possible without the camcorder effect.
Thanks.
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Watching movies in Trumotion does give out the "wow" factor ...... it looks very nice, especially for animation movies.
However, IMO if it comes with the judder & halo-effects, then I'd rather stick to the normal 60Hz.
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For me, no need. Not that noticeable, unless you nitpick.
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to those who own tv's with trumotion, in what scenarios is the trumotion beneficial? and when do we turn it off?
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I like it on.
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Watching movies in Trumotion does give out the "wow" factor ...... it looks very nice, especially for animation movies.
However, IMO if it comes with the judder & halo-effects, then I'd rather stick to the normal 60Hz.
It will give you the "video-like" look instead of film-like. Some folks like it but many dislike it. If I watch it too long with this effect, I'll feel drowsy... ;D It will look great on animation & gaming.
It suppose to eliminate judder but some displays may actually make it worse.
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^ Correct, most trumotion LCD/LED's I have seen, does not seem to totally eliminate the judder & halo-effects .... hence, it does make movie viewing worse, in a way.
Like I said, it does look great in animation movies .... gives it a slightly 3D-feel to it.
I say, as long as there's no judder/halo, then leave it ON .... otherwise, gimme the reliable 60Hz.
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I like having the motion flow turned on all the time, especially when watching HD sources (bluray/NMT). It gives the images a more realistic "feel". Unfortunately for SD sources, the tv over-compensates, making images look even more blurry, soft and not pleasing to watch. In this case, I just either minimize or turn it off completely. For us, its a totally different experience watching with the motion flow activated (we have a standard 1080p in the bedroom as basis for our comparison).
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I enjoy this feature with sports, particularly ... Pacquiao. Somehow, mas klaro mga suntok niya. Less of a blur. ;D ;D ;D
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ilang #hz ba ang trumotion or motionflow?
for me.. ok na ok ang motionflow sa sports, animation and gaming. Lalo na sa laban ni MannyP and NBA Premium.. panalo :)
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it's good for gaming and animation movies...just for me ;)
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sa akin laging na ka off. di ko sya trip :-)
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ilang #hz ba ang trumotion or motionflow?
for me.. ok na ok ang motionflow sa sports, animation and gaming. Lalo na sa laban ni MannyP and NBA Premium.. panalo :)
Based on what I've seen in the market, its either 100Hz or 200Hz for LCDs. Plasmas I think have higher ratings.
sa akin laging na ka off. di ko sya trip :-)
I'm just curious, why get a tv with this feature when most of the time its turned off?
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I'm just curious, why get a tv with this feature when most of the time its turned off?
it's not really the reason why we bought the tv :-)
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Sadya bang ang effect nito eh malinaw na malinaw na Tele novela ang dating?
I saw Dark Knight being played in SnS and it's kinda weird na para syang hindi film..
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Sadya bang ang effect nito eh malinaw na malinaw na Tele novela ang dating?
I saw Dark Knight being played in SnS and it's kinda weird na para syang hindi film..
Yes, with this feature on, it induces visual artifacts. I'll try to take a video of it, so people could see why I prefer to keep them off.
I get a lot of PMs asking why I don't favor them for most of my reviews done in the past.
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Display Myths Shattered: How Monitor & HDTV Companies Cook Their Specs
Posted 05/18/10 at 04:03:33 PM by Dr. Raymond Soneira Response Times: How Fast Is Fast Enough?
All displays show artifacts of one sort or another when their screen images change rapidly. It’s most easily detected with moving objects, or when the entire screen moves due to camera panning. In many cases, it’s not the fault of the display. Rather, it arises somewhere in the signal path from the source, which can be caused by camera blur, interlaced scanning, MPEG compression artifacts, poor video processing, insufficient bandwidth, or insufficient CPU speed in the case of games. Further confusing matters, artifacts can occur for different reasons with CRT, LCD, LCoS, plasma, and DLP technologies. It can even occur with OLEDs, if switching speeds aren’t sufficiently high.
But when people discuss motion artifacts, they are generally talking about LCD response time. And not surprisingly, the manufacturers’ published specs for response time have become one of the major deciding issues for many consumers. As a result, in the last five years or so, manufacturers have somehow pushed response time numbers from 25ms (milliseconds) to an essentially untenable 1ms.
So what, if anything, do these specs really mean?
Behind the Basics of Blur
Motion blur arises when the liquid crystal—the active element within an LCD—is unable to change its orientation and transmission rapidly enough when the picture changes from one frame to the next. Because the standard video rate is 60 frames per second, a pixel is expected to fully update its light-transmission opacity within 16.7 milliseconds (that is, in one 60th of a second). If it takes any longer than that, the image will show some degree of lag, which appears as a trailing smear or blur whenever there is motion.
LCD motion blur is generally evaluated with an industry-standard spec called response time that (supposedly) measures the time that it takes for a pixel to go from black to peak-intensity white, and then back to black again. However, most picture transitions involve much smaller and more subtle shades of gray-to-gray transitions, which can take longer to complete.
But it gets even more complicated than that because every pixel is actually made up of independent red, green, and blue sub-pixels that have their own separate intensities, frame-to-frame transitions, and times. The upshot is that visual blur within a detailed, moving picture is a fairly complex and nebulous phenomenon.
Motion Blur: Visual Proof
Motion blur is one of the most visually tangible display problems—the evidence speaks for itself in screenshots and photography, both of which can illustrate the relationship between response time and motion blur. In this article, I’ve included high-speed screenshots of moving DisplayMate test patterns, as well as moving test photos taken of a top-of-the-line, 120Hz Sony HDTV (shot with a Nikon DSLR using a fast shutter speed of 1/160 of a second). These images were taken in 2008, but the results wouldn’t be much different today.
Sony’s published response time for this XBR model is 8ms. Since this corresponds to a double transition (from black to peak white, and then back to black again), the single transition time (from black to white, or from white to black) should therefore be about 4ms.
But is the pixel response time really that fast? To find out, I ran DisplayMate tests in which black and white squares move across the screen at measured speeds. In the examples here, one photo shows the squares racing across at 1,093 pixels in a single second. The second photo shows the squares moving about 50 percent faster, covering 1,609 pixels in a single second. The white tips seen on the edges of the ghost images are artifacts resulting from electronic overdrive processing that’s being used to try to improve the response time by exaggerating transitions.
The screen on top was grabbed from a motion speed test of 1,093 pixels per second, with the black and white squares indicating real-world pixel response times of 60ms and 40ms, respectively. The screen on the bottom shows the same lengthy response times during a faster test of 1,609 pixels per second.
As you can see from my screenshots—each a brief snapshot in time with a shutter speed of 1/160 of a second, which is less than the refresh rate—it’s possible to make out at least eight individual screen refresh cycles on this 120Hz display. Indeed, in the screenshots, each square is shifted from the other by 1/120 of a second, which is 8ms, and those ghosted squares indicate that the older images haven’t yet dissipated. The upshot is that you’re looking at a true response time of about 65ms. In fact, a response time of much less than the 8ms refresh rate would be needed for there to be no visible blur. Obviously, 65ms blur in the screen shots doesn’t jibe with the manufacturer’s single-transition response time spec of 4ms.
The DisplayMate tests clearly demonstrate that the Sony’s real LCD response time is considerably longer than its published spec would indicate. And by no means are we picking on Sony, as it actually had the best performance of all of the LCDs in our tests.
But What about Moving Photos?
It must be stated that DisplayMate test patterns are very sensitive to imaging effects—this is by design. Photographic images, on the other hand, typically consist of a very complex and varied admixture of blended picture elements. With so much going on in an image, motion blur is easily obscured and lost within the complex, variegated imagery of a typical photograph. In particular, photographs of real-world content lack uniform backgrounds, and uniform backgrounds—like those in my DisplayMate tests—make it easier to see the motion blur trails. For this reason, we would expect moving photographs to show much less visible blur than what’s demonstrated with test patterns.
To wit: If you look carefully at the magnified marching band images below, you can see a total of at least six refresh cycles in the second photograph. This corresponds to a real-world pixel response time of 50ms. But the motion blur is still much less noticeable than what we see in DisplayMate’s punishing test patterns.
Witness two photos shot by Lauren Soneira. On top, a static image—thus no motion blur. On the bottom, the image is moving at 1,018 pixels per second, and you can see six refresh cycles indicating a 50ms response time.
Photographs are static images and moving them across a screen is quite different from live video, where images are a complex and varied mixture of continually blending picture components that are themselves constantly changing in both time and position. With all this screen activity going on, we would expect to detect much less motion blur in live video than with either of the moving static photographs or test patterns.
And Now for the Tests You've All Been Waiting For
To evaluate motion blur and artifacts in live video with lots of high-motion picture content, we set up a side-by-side comparison shoot-out with 11 HDTVs, and had both consumers and experts evaluate them. The top-of-the-line LCDs from Sony and Sharp had 120Hz screen refresh rates, the top-of-the-line Samsung LCD had strobed LED backlighting, and the other units had standard 60Hz screen refresh rates. Two of the units were plasma displays, and one was a pro-grade CRT studio monitor. The goal was to determine the degree to which this varied technology affected visible motion blur.
All of the HDTVs were fed identical, simultaneous digital video using an all-digital High Definition Tivo and a Blu-ray player. They were all compared side-by-side in the configuration as shown in the photo. The content included both daytime and nighttime sporting events, TV shows, and movies, all with lots of action. If any viewer thought he or she detected motion blur on any HDTV, we would repeatedly press the eight-second Tivo backup button and watch the sequence over and over again on all of the units until we fully understood exactly what was happening on each display. We did the same thing with the Blu-ray player and its content.
Behold our 11-display shootout—with the lights on. Photo by Dieter Michel.
The conclusions from all participants were consistent across the board, and will likely surprise most consumers: There was essentially no visually detectable motion blur on any of the LCD HDTVs in any of the video content we assembled.
When people thought they saw motion blur, with only a handful of minor exceptions, the blur was either in the source video or a temporary visual illusion that disappeared when the segments in question were reviewed. Unlike what we empirically identified in moving test patterns and moving photographs, the eye is unable to detect the blur in live video because the images are much more dynamic and complex—and undoubtedly because of the way the brain processes and extracts essential information from visual images.
So, Is Blurring Even an Issue for Videos, Movies, and Games?
For all of the tests—the DisplayMate test patterns, the moving photos, and the live video—we found that there was no visually detectable difference in motion blur for the mid- to top-of-the-line LCD HDTVs. This regardless of their claimed pixel response times, 60Hz or 120Hz refresh rates, strobed LED backlighting, or motion-enhancement processing. If you find this surprising then just re-read the classic tale of The Emperor’s New Clothes.
The underlying reason why higher refresh rates don’t mitigate blurring is that the true pixel response times of displays are considerably longer than the 60Hz video frame rate, so it doesn’t matter whether the screen refresh rate is 60Hz or 120Hz, or whether the LED backlights are strobed off during the frame updating. Similarly, adjusting the electronic processing enhancements that some models offer—controls that are supposed to reduce motion blur—only served to introduce objectionable contours, edges, and other artifacts onto moving objects without reducing the overall motion blur.
So that’s the story on video. What significance do these results have for PC gamers?
First, while motion blur isn’t generally noticeable with live video, it’s more likely to be seen by gamers who intently focus on particular moving objects. For this reason, the blur illustrated above with test patterns and test photos applies.
Second, don’t pay much attention to a manufacturer’s response time specs because they are so different from the real response time and motion blur that we have demonstrated here.
Third, while 120Hz refresh rate monitors and HDTVs don’t inherently improve on motion blur over the 60Hz models, they are generally equipped with better performing panels and electronics, so they may still produce superior image and picture quality. And if you’re a movie buff, the 120Hz units should offer better motion interpolation from the 24 frames per second used in all movies shot on film. The 60Hz models need 3:2 pull-down, which produces judder, but most people seldom notice it.
Fourth, be aware that the latest 240Hz displays don’t offer any real picture-quality performance improvements, and are just a marketing gimmick taken to an absurd level.
For more information and details, see my article on LCD response time and motion blur here: www.displaymate.com/LCD_Response_Time_ShootOut.htm.
Personally, I just prefer the native 60 hertz since I am on movies, PC, and/or HTPC only and not a real gamer (almost everyday lang sa Plants vs. Zombies nilalaro ko) kasi cheaper pa ang TV.
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Based on what I've seen in the market, its either 100Hz or 200Hz for LCDs. Plasmas I think have higher ratings.
I'm just curious, why get a tv with this feature when most of the time its turned off?
240Hz ang highest ng Sony, Sharp, Toshiba. I saw an LG with 480Hz Trumotion (divisible ng 60Hz - 50Hz where applicable)
This specific feature is the BIGGEST feature the LCD makers are trying to sell nowadays. Note that their highest-end models also have the highest-end Trumotion implementation - maganda ang dating kung sa maganda lalo na yung mga bagong bagong model - liking the look or not is another matter hence the option to disable is there. In other words, kung walang Trumotion yung LCD or hindi maganda ang implementation, either entry level or luma nang model - no disrespect to anyone but that's the reality of the LCD business.
Im actually hoping they can do a similar thing to Plasmas, but probably not possible. The feature is pretty cool. Yeah, live sports telecasts in high def would benefit a lot.
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on the subject, which is the best value for money deal for a 32" LCD with 120hz nowadays? Doesn't need to be full HD, kahit 720p is fine for me. TIA :)
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thanks for the replies!
From what I have read so far, I learned that it is something nice to have, but not a necessary feature.
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it's not really the reason why we bought the tv :-)
^+1 pag sa movie using.. I bought it only for sport viewing :)
For movies, You may find the good PQ review if the motionflow turn off.
Well other people enjoy watching movies while motionflow is ON. Kaya bilib ako sa kanila nakakatagal sila mag watch at hindi sumasakit ang mata. ... 20/20 kasi vision ko kaya hindi talaga pwede sa mata ko watching movies na naka ON motionflow.
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^+1 pag sa movie using.. I bought it only for sport viewing :)
For movies, You may find the good PQ review if the motionflow turn off.
Well other people enjoy watching movies while motionflow is ON. Kaya bilib ako sa kanila nakakatagal sila mag watch at hindi sumasakit ang mata. ... 20/20 kasi vision ko kaya hindi talaga pwede sa mata ko watching movies na naka ON motionflow.
I remember getting a head-ache after watching our tv for the 1st time with the motionflow on turned on. But I didn't experience further headaches afterwards, could it be my eyes have adjusted to the tv? I guess not turning the motionflow to its maximum setting works fine with our viewing.
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Sadya bang ang effect nito eh malinaw na malinaw na Tele novela ang dating?
I saw Dark Knight being played in SnS and it's kinda weird na para syang hindi film..
sakto! parang tele-novela! hehe.. it's weird because it's not the usual way we see movies.
It's really weird and I love it! :)
I saw a CRT-TV so many years ago (Philips Pixel Plus) that displayed a similar effect (parang tele-novela).. I even remember The Fast and the Furious being played as demo. I didn't know how/why it appeared that way.. was it just a higher resolution? didn't even know about refresh rates and response times.. basta sabi ko gusto ko nun! but I didn't have money to buy at that time (70k ata yun). di pa ata uso yung LCD noon. then after some time, it disappeared. I saw Pixel Plus 2 pero hindi na ganun yung effect..
Different LCD/LEDs came and went.. yeah, the movies are clearer but I did not see that same effect.. until I saw an LG LCD (32" LH50 series ata). Tinanong ko agad yung rep kung paano nagmukhang "live" yung movie kasi di ko naman nakita yun sa ibang brands/models... sabi nya, it's the low response time (2.4ms) matched with refresh rate 120Hz TruMotion.. na LG lang "daw" ang nakagawa. It seemed true cuz all the other brands I saw didn't have that "effect." when I checked others, 120Hz pero 5ms.. if I remember right, yung iba naman 2ms pero 60Hz.
then I made up my mind.. in buying my next TV, higher resolution is not enough reason to buy.. it has to be something more special than that.
20k for a 32" Full HD? nah...
30k for 32" Full HD with Tru Motion? a resounding YES! :D
And so I bought LG 32LE5500 at SnS! 8)
on the subject, which is the best value for money deal for a 32" LCD with 120hz nowadays? Doesn't need to be full HD, kahit 720p is fine for me. TIA :)
Best value for money: LG's 32LE5500 at SnS! ;)
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I saw a CRT-TV so many years ago (Philips Pixel Plus) that displayed a similar effect (parang tele-novela)..
naalala ko din yan dati...eto yung combo dati: pixel plus tv + dvd player with progressive scan ON = movies looked like they were shot using a camcorder
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naalala ko din yan dati...eto yung combo dati: pixel plus tv + dvd player with progressive scan ON = movies looked like they were shot using a camcorder
I dont like that effect ;D
I love the grainy looks of films...
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I dont like that effect ;D
I love the grainy looks of films...
same here...see the movie the way the director wants it to be seen hehe
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Best value for money: LG's 32LE5500 at SnS! ;)
agree on this. a bit OT, but what if we put PIP in the equation - what's the best choice?
how come LG took out PIP from their feature list?
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hmmm im just curious what's the most affordable tv that has truemotion?
i think for leds its gotta be the le5500 (even if its turned off permanently during games)
and i think the avision one also but it was discontinued
so what's the cheapest tv that has the complete truemotion
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naalala ko din yan dati...eto yung combo dati: pixel plus tv + dvd player with progressive scan ON = movies looked like they were shot using a camcorder
oo yun nga! :D
agree on this. a bit OT, but what if we put PIP in the equation - what's the best choice?
how come LG took out PIP from their feature list?
ay yan ang di ko na alam.. hehe..
hmmm im just curious what's the most affordable tv that has truemotion?
i think for leds its gotta be the le5500 (even if its turned off permanently during games)
and i think the avision one also but it was discontinued
so what's the cheapest tv that has the complete truemotion
Well, a bit cheaper yung 32LE5300.. yan na ang pinakamurang may trumotion.. naghanap rin ako ng cheapest possible kasi nga gusto ko lang magkaroon ng "kakaibang" viewing experience for movies. kaso yan na talaga ang pinakamura.. AFAIK, manufacturers don't put the trumotion feature for lower models so that's gotta be it. :)
medyo nagkaroon nga ako ng urgency na bumili ng 32LE5500 last year kasi nagkakaubusan ng stocks.. natakot ako na baka maubos at sa higher models na lang (42" and up) na lang may trumotion.. medyo mabigat na pag ganun. kaya ayun, napabili na.
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I remember getting a head-ache after watching our tv for the 1st time with the motionflow on turned on. But I didn't experience further headaches afterwards, could it be my eyes have adjusted to the tv? I guess not turning the motionflow to its maximum setting works fine with our viewing.
Finally, nakapanood na ko ng nakakahilong palabas using trumotion! I was wondering all the while bakit may nahihilo at sumasakit ang ulo.. it may be because of a poor copy of a certain movie.
Ever since I got my LG32LE5500 120Hz, I've been watching original DVDs.. no problems, very much satisfied. di ako nahilo. then recently I just thought of watching a pirated DVD.. ayun, sakit sa mata.. nakakahilo.
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sa mga iba nahihilo daw sila, pero ako kasi nung napagtabi ko yung may trumotion sa wala, ang laki talaga ng difference. tapos ayun nasanay na din yung mata ko.
para sakin personally dapat may trumotion talaga.
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Star Wars HDTV on a 240Hz motionflow Sony HX is the coolest version of SW Ive ever watched. It was quite a novelty but I dont know if I (or my eyes) would not tire of that kind of look. But yeah, it looks quite nice.
just want to find out exactly what is the exact model of the Sony HX that you just mentioned when you watchrd Star Wars. Thank you very much.
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to those who own tv's with trumotion, in what scenarios is the trumotion beneficial? and when do we turn it off?
Don't use it for film-based sources. Use it for video-based sources.
Movies should be presented with a cadence that is as close as possible to 24 frames per second. There's a natural 24fps judder that makes film look like film. That cadence will be messed up if motion interpolation is used.
But if you're watching a video-based source such as a National Geographic documentary (they're usually shot at a framerate of 60fps), the cadence change caused by motion interpolation will be minimal, and the advantage is that the image will become more stable and solid.
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Yes, trumotion 120hz messes up movies that are film based. My wife and I don't like it. In the words of my wife, "bakit parang studio shots lang at making?" We watched The Devil Wears Prada, Mr and Mrs Smith and Transformers and we just gave up. Personally, I'd stick to the 60hz for movies. I'd rather watch as close as how the director wants it.
However, the strength of the trumotion 120hz is in animation, games, and live cable shows especially sports. It rocks! Maganda sya sa cable programming. We watched Finding Nemo and it was such an eye candy. Maganda rin sya HD programs like NBA Premium. Swabeng swabe ang panood ko.
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based on your experience and preference, what is the best brand that implements this?
a listing of current implementations can be seen from this site - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation
Names of motion enhancement technologies[edit source | editbeta]
The commercial name given to motion interpolation technology varies across manufacturers, as does its implementation.
Hitachi – Reel120[2]
Insignia – DCM Plus, for Digital Clear Motion 120 Hz, or Insignia Motion 120Hz
Kogan Technologies – MotionMax 100 Hz,[3] 200 Hz
LG – TruMotion 120 Hz, 240 Hz, 480 Hz
AOC – Motion Boost 120 Hz
Bose - VideoWave II 120 Hz (Not named)
Loewe – Digital Movie Mode (DMM)[4]
Mitsubishi – Smooth 120 Hz
Panasonic – Intelligent Frame Creation (IFC) 24p Smooth Film (24p material only)
Philips – HD Digital Natural Motion[5]
Samsung – Auto Motion Plus 120 Hz,[6] 240 Hz, Clear Motion Rate 100 Hz, 200 Hz, 400 Hz, 500 Hz, 600 Hz, 800 Hz (PAL video system), Clear Motion Rate 120 Hz, 240 Hz, 480 Hz, 600 Hz, 720 Hz, 960 Hz (NTSC video system)
Sharp – Fine Motion Enhanced,[7] AquoMotion 240 Hz,[8] AquoMotion Pro
Sony – MotionFlow 100 Hz, 100 Hz PRO (XBR series, Australia), 120 Hz, 200 Hz, 240 Hz, 400 Hz, 480 Hz, 800 Hz, 960 Hz.[9][10]
Toshiba – ClearScan 120 Hz, 240 Hz
Vizio – SmoothMotion [11]
Sceptre – MEMC (Motion Estimation/Motion Compensation)
PC video players[edit source | editbeta]
Many video players for computers, include motion interpolation.
WinDVD uses Philips' TrimensionDNM for frame interpolation.[12]
CrystalPlayer uses Motion Morphing MultiSampling for frame interpolation.[13]
PowerDVD uses TrueTheater Motion for interpolation of DVD and video files to up to 72 frame/s.[14]
Splash PRO uses Mirillis Motion² technology for up to Full HD video interpolation.[15]
SmoothVideo Project uses Avisynth script-based on MVTools 2.5[16] libraries for frame interpolation.
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We watched The Devil Wears Prada, Mr and Mrs Smith and Transformers and we just gave up. Personally, I'd stick to the 60hz for movies. I'd rather watch as close as how the director wants it.
Sir, i have no idea as to how the director films the movies so here goes my question, is that really the way the director wants it shown or the director simply had no choice?
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Sir, i have no idea as to how the director films the movies so here goes my question, is that really the way the director wants it shown or the director simply had no choice?
Movie directors obviously want their movies done in a FILM LIKE MODE with a cadence of close to 24 frames per second and, as such, there will be judder. I'd want to keep it this way and enjoy the beauty of the film as it is.
The problem with trumotion ( 120 hz, 240 hz ) is it messes this up. True, it became judder-less ( coz I still see judder ) but the overall effect is yun na nga para akong nanunuod ng making at studio. I really can't appreciate it sorry.
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Yes, trumotion 120hz messes up movies that are film based. My wife and I don't like it. In the words of my wife, "bakit parang studio shots lang at making?" We watched The Devil Wears Prada, Mr and Mrs Smith and Transformers and we just gave up. Personally, I'd stick to the 60hz for movies. I'd rather watch as close as how the director wants it.
However, the strength of the trumotion 120hz is in animation, games, and live cable shows especially sports. It rocks! Maganda sya sa cable programming. We watched Finding Nemo and it was such an eye candy. Maganda rin sya HD programs like NBA Premium. Swabeng swabe ang panood ko.
i agree with this.
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i guess, I am one of the very few even within the minority, that likes this feature... ever since I saw the implementation of Philip's Pixel Plus< I've always made a point to a panel that has some implementation of this...
On the HTPC end, I like SplashPro's implementation...
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This is why when watching 2D Movies, Plasma TVs are much better than LEDs because this is never a problem with Plasmas. Plasmas are 600hz and delivers film like effect without the problem of judder.
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Hindi ba mas ok i enable nyo na lng ang 24p sa TV nyo lalo na kung dumaan sa AVR? Mas natural ang movement and walang dagdag na frames. Mine is a Panasonic VT30 Plasma, Nakaon dati ang film cadence and IFC, pero nakikita ng mata ung mga added na frames eh so turn off 60hz only under THX mode, ok xa, then kapag dumaan sa AVR, ienabled nyo na lng ang 24p. Di nyo na kailangan ang 120hz or beyond. Mas natural and smooth.
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i guess, I am one of the very few even within the minority, that likes this feature... ever since I saw the implementation of Philip's Pixel Plus< I've always made a point to a panel that has some implementation of this...
On the HTPC end, I like SplashPro's implementation...
i join you in the minority preference. definitely not for the purists who like their 24fps movies. Para naman saken, I like movies to look "live" parang watching it all happen through a window.
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that makes, just the two of us against, the rest of the world... good to have company though... ;D
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I'd also go for the frame interpolation. Actually, as I have been using it, it seems natural already and it makes it hard for me to adjust again when it is switched off.
I use Splash PRO's Motion2 feature. I can adjust the level of frame interpolation. Actually, my setting is less than 50% (not too overpowering to distract me). I have tried the feature on full for kicks and I got dizzy.
Also, I find the picture sharper with the feature on.
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So Doc, does it make our club, 2.5 or 3 members full now? :)
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possible bang ma experience ang trumotion sa tv na 60hz?
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possible bang ma experience ang trumotion sa tv na 60hz?
motion interpollation is only a software that is embedded into the TV's MCU, panel refresh rate(60hz.) has got nothing to do with the motion interpollation. personally i dont use motion interpollation when i'm watching expensive production movies it makes any expensive movies looking cheap..eh pati yung supposed to be blurry background makita mo na parang nasa studio lang nag shoot..not to mention eh yung contrast ng tv mo bumaba. basta bluray yung material i go for 24p mode.
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So Doc, does it make our club, 2.5 or 3 members full now? :)
Oh poll ba to? Count me in! ;D
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Parang I haven't noticed yet how to adjust the level of Motion2? But I'm still using the trial model on a new laptop so baka if I buy the activation code of Splash Pro, such feature would be added. Or is it the limitation of the built-in Intel graphics?
Watched Full Bluray of After Earth last night - very nice effect. Halos kamukha na rin ng effect of the 4K Demo on the Sony 84 because my screen is only 17.3 (full HD)...hehehe.
Oh, my wife an daughter don't like this effect on our VT30, pero panis naman kasi ang quality ng trumotion on a plasma - even on a VT model. Haven't checked the quality on a Samsung 8500 though. Kapag high-end LEDs ay pretty impressive for sure - ang linis.
I use Splash PRO's Motion2 feature. I can adjust the level of frame interpolation. Actually, my setting is less than 50% (not too overpowering to distract me). I have tried the feature on full for kicks and I got dizzy.
Also, I find the picture sharper with the feature on.
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possible bang ma experience ang trumotion sa tv na 60hz?
Nabasa ko sa ibang forum na 60hz yung tv ko na may tru motion.
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Sir count me in, 4 members full now! ;)
Using SplashPro on a plasma TV :P I'll never watched without using this feature 8)
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ako din +1 i'am using splash pro ex sa pj ko :)
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+1 on Trumotion, its like a different experience when watching films. Star Wars on "telenovela" effect is oh so good. It feels like watching old technology when it is turned off. Smooth motion for me soothes my eyes. Artifacts are there for quarter of a sec so i can live with it.
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You can count me as well with appreciating tru motion. I turned it off only with movies that has shaking cam effect.
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Hehe pasama na din ako. Just bought a 32F6300 and it was a blast watching 1080p movies. although, mhejo nakakahilo nga siya pag mhejo shaking ung camera effects. ganda nung avengers pag sa ganito.
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is there an available free activation code for the splash Pro? Thanks :D
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Nagamit mo na ba yung 30-day trial period ng dalawa (Pro and Pro Ex)? hehehe. Anyway, this software is worth the $20 it charges.
is there an available free activation code for the splash Pro? Thanks :D
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ako din +1 i'am using splash pro ex sa pj ko :)
Why need a splash pro ex with motion flow if your PJ has the motion flow and the like feature.
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wow, we are now 7 members strong "minority" hehehe :)
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using it for tv series (via splash, katamad sa remote ng tv eh :P ), big NO for movies. :D
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whats the difference pag tru motion sa led or lcd compared to the standard 600 hz in plasma? mas malinaw ba ung 600 hz? is this the case? thanks po..
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wow, we are now 7 members strong "minority" hehehe :)
Hehehe... napako tayo sa 7 minority strong members! :)
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Hehehe... napako tayo sa 7 minority strong members! :)
make that 8 minority strong members >:D
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magical 8 :)
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mga sir noob questions lang bakit yung trumotion feature sakin minsan noticeable, misan hindi. sa mga usb movies parang hindi noticeable yung trumotion, sa bluray movies parang hindi din. Noticeable lang siya sa mga regular cable channels. Sorry for the noob questions mga sir thanks
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mga sir noob questions lang bakit yung trumotion feature sakin minsan noticeable, misan hindi. sa mga usb movies parang hindi noticeable yung trumotion, sa bluray movies parang hindi din. Noticeable lang siya sa mga regular cable channels. Sorry for the noob questions mga sir thanks
Baka nasasanay kana chief with the feature on. Sa start hahanapin mo at maaliw ka bandang huli parang natural na. Actually for me the pictures really look sharper kaya I want the feature on. (https://s.yimg.com/lq/i/mesg/emoticons7/5.gif)
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Ganun ba sir hehe baka nga. Ano settings ng trumotion mo sir? Tnx
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kasama ko sa minority. i liked it, there are a lot of films that i liked better with tru motion on.
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same here... I still love this feature... :)
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Ako naman I DONT "LOVE" it, it's just that may mga scenes sa movies na masyado mabilis at nakakahilo pag walang feature na to.
So I am using it but I still prefer the film look not the soap opera look especially in movies. ;)
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Yeah count me in sa minority hehe.Ginawa ko ng 10 ang settings ng dejudder ko hehe
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Mine is set to USER then dejudder is at 4 for bluray movies. And 5 for dvd movies.
At this setting, it achieves a balance between soap opera effect and film. Very nice IMO. Especially in explosions and fires.
LG TV.
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Mine is set to USER then dejudder is at 4 for bluray movies. And 5 for dvd movies.
At this setting, it achieves a balance between soap opera effect and film. Very nice IMO. Especially in explosions and fires.
LG TV.
Try ko yang settings mo sir hehe thanks.
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mga sir noob questions lang bakit yung trumotion feature sakin minsan noticeable, misan hindi. sa mga usb movies parang hindi noticeable yung trumotion, sa bluray movies parang hindi din. Noticeable lang siya sa mga regular cable channels. Sorry for the noob questions mga sir thanks
parang ganyan din sa akin only to find out sira pala yung hdmi port :) after one year ko lang na notice buti warranty pa.
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I see this feature sa mga TVs ko, but honestly, I dont notice a diff with on and off. hehehe.
Para san po ba to? By default, I think I leave it at off.
hehehehe
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I see this feature sa mga TVs ko, but honestly, I dont notice a diff with on and off. hehehe.
Para san po ba to? By default, I think I leave it at off.
hehehehe
Pagtabihin mo ang 2 TV mo. One with TruMotion On and the other one with TruMotion Off. Play the same source on both TV and compare. The one with TruMotion On should look more alive and engaging.
Or install Mirillis SplashPro in your computer. Play a video. Next, in Playback Options, set "Motion2" to 10. Observe the results.
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I see this feature sa mga TVs ko, but honestly, I dont notice a diff with on and off. hehehe.
Para san po ba to? By default, I think I leave it at off.
hehehehe
Hanap ka sir ng source video na may FAST ACTION SCENES, compare playing it with the Trumotion ON and OFF.
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Hanap ka sir ng source video na may FAST ACTION SCENES, compare playing it with the Trumotion ON and OFF.
Ayt cge! Salamat! :)
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Mga ka member matanong lang, bakit sa amin kapag naka 120hz when watching movie yung subtitle minsan nag blublur atat nagshashake yung subtitle, minsan rin yung picture nagsha shake before or after mag-shift sa isang scene, ganon rin ba minsan sa inyo?