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« Reply #210 on: Mar 19, 2003 at 06:38 AM »
so the Jeturian film wasn't his film debut? haven't seen him in any good role lately. the horror of susmaryosep..da four fathers.  :(
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Re:Filipino films
« Reply #211 on: Mar 19, 2003 at 07:48 AM »
No, he debuted in Sisa, far as I know.  No, he hasn't been any good lately...

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« Reply #212 on: Mar 19, 2003 at 12:11 PM »
I occassionally see Gerald Madrid in the GMA 7 soap Kung Mawawala Ka. He really can act well. But like most of the actors in Philippine showbiz, he must have opted to concentrate on television where there are many lucrative opportunities.

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« Reply #213 on: Mar 19, 2003 at 07:44 PM »
Has any of you seen Celso ad Castillo's Paradise Inn?  Is it any good?  Are they showing it at Cinema One?

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« Reply #214 on: Mar 19, 2003 at 10:02 PM »
Not aware of any scheduled screenings of Paradise Inn. I hear it's quite good.

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Re:Filipino films
« Reply #215 on: Mar 23, 2003 at 04:54 PM »
uy patanong naman pwede?

i'm just curious kung ano ang kasarian ni noel vera? kung bakit ganun na lang ang kanyang pagkagusto kay mario o hara.

tingnan n'yo, at the top of his least, i mean list, of best filipino films of all time is mario o hara directed tatlong taong walang diyos. i don't say tatlong taong walang diyos is bad, it is a good film but to compare it to maynila sa mga kuko ng liwanag (the only filipino film i consider 'brilliant', and probably will land in my top 10 best film of all time, foreign and local. and by the way the only local movie to made it) is out of the question.

noel's best film for the 80's is also mario o'hara film.
noel's best film for the 90's is another mario o'hara film: bubungang lata.

and then, he served as judge for cinemanila scriptwriting contest and mario o'hara's entry hocloban tied with cut as the top prizes.

then came insiang the play. as expected noel vera extolled it to high heavens. i found the play overdone and half baked. hehehe

then  i read another of his articles loudly proclaiming mario o'hara as the best living scriptwriter nowadays.

yes mario o hara is one of the better scriptwriter nowadays but the best?? that honor belongs to armando bing lao. don't deprive armando lao of that.

the true barometer of a good scriptwriter is this: pair him with a bad director, if the finish product (the film) is good, then the scriptwriter is good. this has been done with flying colors by armando lao. see his takaw tukso. critics were surprised when pascual, who was used to making so-so films, came up with a decent takaw tukso. nagulat sila dahil nakagawa si pascual ng magandang movie. little did they know that pascual is not the reason, but armando lao.

luwalhati baustista had the opportunity of working with a bad director and she failed miserably (see, was it, sutla(?)).

chito rono who i consider an average filmmaker did his best when paired with armando lao. for me chito rono's best work to date is la vida rosa (though his best directed movie is eskapo). la vida rosa was good because of armando lao and secondarily rono's direction. la vida rosa could have been its year's best if batang westside was not in the release list. (by the way i consider batang westside the best film in recent years, it is definitely (!) better than bayaning third world.)

armando lao's latest works were all topnotched. pila balde (best work along with takaw tukso), tuhog, sana pag-ibig na, these films have glimmering screenplays. all of jeturian's films were good but i have yet to see a jeturian movie without lao. if there will be, then that's the only time i can truly judge jeturian's worth as a filmmaker. pair lao with any director and i assure you the end product is good, a mark of a true 'best scriptwriter'. if jeturian can do this, pair himself with a bad scriptwriter and still come up with a good film, then he is able. between jeturian and lav diaz, i have better regards for the latter for up until now, jeturian has yet to prove himself without lao (diaz writes his films). then am i allowed to say that until now, armando lao is the best asset of jeffrey jeturian?


i don't also consider jose lacaba as the other best scriptwriter. all of lacaba films were just relevant and weighty. kung gumawa ba si lacaba ng hindi relevant, ano kaya ang kalalabasan? i doubt he has the mastery of armando lao (though he was the teacher of the latter, a case in which the student surpasses his mentor?).

mario o hara, best scriptwriter? mario o'hara can't even go past lao how could he be considered best writer?

kaya naman, nagtataka ako kay noel vera. lahat ng mario o'hara films siguradong magaling yan, para kay noel. i wonder kung nagkarelasyon lang si noel vera at mario o'hara before? sino ba ang bading sa kanila? si noel ba? si mario ba?

noel, ipagtanggol mo ang iyong sarili, this is your time.

i also have one concern with this message board. halos lahat ng nagpopost dito agree ng agree kay noel. bakit, takot kayo kay noel?

this message board won't achieve its purpose kung lahat kayo nag-aagree. katulad ng u.s. at iraq, dapat nag-aaway-away kayo. hehehe

uy wag nyo akong aawayin...

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« Reply #216 on: Mar 23, 2003 at 05:58 PM »
i'm just curious kung ano ang kasarian ni noel vera? kung bakit ganun na lang ang kanyang pagkagusto kay mario o hara.

ano naman po ang kinalaman ng kasarian sa pagkagusto ni noel sa mga obra ni o' hara?

the true barometer of a good scriptwriter is this: pair him with a bad director, if the finish product (the film) is good, then the scriptwriter is good. this has been done with flying colors by armando lao.

good call on armando lao. i'm so beholden with jeturian that i didn't realize your observation. heard his making a new regal film, wonder if it'd be scripted by lao again.

i also have one concern with this message board. halos lahat ng nagpopost dito agree ng agree kay noel. bakit, takot kayo kay noel?

i don't think everyone agrees with noel all the time. for instance, we have always disagreed with the merits of Moulin Rouge!

uy wag nyo akong aawayin...

why the defensiveness? kung pinipersonal na natin ang diskusyon, mapipilitan talaga ang mga kinakalaban na mamersonal din. ok na yung points mo about mario o' hara. huwag na sanang isama ang puntirya sa kasarian ni noel o kung may relasyon man sila ni o' hara. jesus! what a thought!

i'm not defending noel. i'm just making sure we don't get personal on this board and just stick to the issues. let us respect one another. my two cents.
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« Reply #217 on: Mar 23, 2003 at 06:02 PM »
Bro delcros baka naman favorite niya lang talaga yung mga movies ni Mario O'Hara and I think his gender has no reasons for praising all those films.

Im not afraid of him in fact


he also panned Peque's "oro, plata, mata" but he was there in the 2oth anniv. watching the film.  ???

But he cites "Scorpio nights" as peque's best film.

Bro Noel...lets hear your comment about this matter.  8)
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« Reply #218 on: Mar 23, 2003 at 06:12 PM »
Well, if you think Bing Lao is great, go to, god Bless, no one's stopping you.  I've written enough about O'Hara and Bing Lao to make my case about the two writers.

And I've written enough about Maynila sa Kuko ng Liwanag too.  Not to mention any number of Filipino filmmakers and films.

I've written enough about all of em that I don't feel the need to defend my choices or opinions.  If you don't agree, go to, god bless, so on and so forth.  

For the record, I'm straight--wife and two kids, happily married, etc. etc.  Call me an unwilling homophile--I'm not too crazy about gays, but do I have a choice, liking them?  Most of the great ones in the '70s ARE gay--O'Hara, Brocka, Bernal (and a few others I'm not going to mention are suspect), and even the recent ones--Jeffrey Jeturian and Bing Lao.  The only filmmakers I know who are straight and good are are Tikoy Aguiluz, Celso Ad. Castillo, and Lav Diaz.

I like women--like em a lot.  Like em sexy too--notice my preference for Laurice Guillen (she was hot when she was young) over Marilou Diaz Abaya.  But it's more than that--Guillen has an eye, and the sensuality, to be a good filmmaker.

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« Reply #219 on: Mar 23, 2003 at 06:29 PM »
Bro Noel...very well said.

Bro delcros...just stick to the discussion or topic, this is not a thread about DEFENDING YOUR GENDER.

Peace to both of you!

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« Reply #220 on: Mar 23, 2003 at 06:41 PM »
Thanks, Keating.

Saw half of this film, Mga something something Rampado, by a filmmaker whose name I forgot, about male models; the only name I actually recognized was Odette Khan, who was okay.  Terrible film.  

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« Reply #221 on: Mar 23, 2003 at 06:55 PM »
You're welcome Bro Noel although you panned Peque's "oro, plata, mata".  ;D

I dont want intrigues to happen here in pinoydvd. You see everyday puro intrigues and rumor mongering na yung workplace ko...plus the Iraq & U.S. war... pinoydvd is my place for stress free.

But sometimes you met some very "nice" people like delcros. I think mali talaga siya about doubting your gender, thats out of the topic already.

Peace man!  8)

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« Reply #222 on: Mar 23, 2003 at 10:43 PM »
Hm.  I did snipe at Oro Plata but I haven't done a full scale article on it.  Or against it.

I do like Scorpio Nights very much.  

And Maynila sa Kuko.  And Armando Lao.  And Gerry de Leon, to whom O'Hara, Lino Brocka, FPJ, and Celso Ad. Castillo owe much of their film styles...

And I give detailed reasons, at least in my article.  The reader is free to take em or leave em.

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« Reply #223 on: Mar 24, 2003 at 01:21 AM »
personally, i respect noel's opinions but he's not the pied piper. we're all free to decide whether to like a film or not with or without him saying so. and i really look forward to reading him pan a movie i love to have a more "objective" look at it. go noel! cold-hearted critic! ;D

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« Reply #224 on: Mar 24, 2003 at 01:12 PM »
Thanks, sungit... ;D

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« Reply #225 on: Mar 30, 2003 at 12:40 PM »
"the true barometer of a good scriptwriter is this: pair him with a bad director, if the finish product (the film) is good, then the scriptwriter is good."

True, delcros, you may be able to judge whether a scriptwriter is good based on this barometer, but that by no means is an indicator that he is the best.

Your basis for judging seems to be this and this alone, and not on the quality of the individual (and subsequently collective) scripts.

pair lao with any director and i assure you the end product is good, a mark of a true 'best scriptwriter'

The mark of a good scriptwriter, maybe.  But to claim someone to be the best based on that?  I think you'd need a much thicker platform to stand on before making such an assertion.

"i don't also consider jose lacaba as the other best scriptwriter. all of lacaba films were just relevant and weighty. kung gumawa ba si lacaba ng hindi relevant, ano kaya ang kalalabasan?"

Why does a scriptwriter have to do films na "hindi relevant"?  Who are we to tell him what type of films he should write?  The fact that Lacaba dares to tackle relevant topics and that the scripts get made into films means enough as it is.  What you're judging on here, again, is not the quality of the scripts themselves, but your preference of movies for enjoyment rather than relevancy.

As many people on this board say as well, I often disagree with Noel, but I do respect his opinion.

kaya naman, nagtataka ako kay noel vera. lahat ng mario o'hara films siguradong magaling yan, para kay noel. i wonder kung nagkarelasyon lang si noel vera at mario o'hara before? sino ba ang bading sa kanila? si noel ba? si mario ba?

And in regard to those homosexual comments... could the same not be said for you and bing lao, delcros?  ;)
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« Reply #226 on: Mar 30, 2003 at 01:13 PM »
Good points, comm.

I'd call relevancy a crutch, even a weight on a scriptwriter's neck, especially in the Filipino film industry--writers tend to use this as a shield to ward off criticism of their works (as I think happened somewhat with Munting Tinig).  Maybe the best word to describe it is, it can be a trap.  You walk into that trap at your own risk.

I think Lacaba for the most part is able to escape the perils of this trap, mainly because his scripts have so little fat in them--they move ahead, logically and coherently, and gain momentum as they do so (what 'fat' you see featuring his political and social orientations I'd rather call 'flavoring'--there isn't enough of it, and the script moves too fast to call it fat).  I don't see any Filipino writer doing this, not O'Hara (except in maybe Insiang), not even Lao, not to this extent.  He's the master of the well-structured, all-meat script.


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« Reply #227 on: Mar 30, 2003 at 02:54 PM »
well?

homophilia, whether willing or unwilling, is homosexualism, no need to further explain.

married and has kids? tell me if i need to enumerate those gays, in the open or closeted, who are married and have kids.

noel vera questions the sexuality of mike de leon and then no one badgers. i question noel's sexuality and everybody raised hell. how come?

with noel's point on lacaba (about "meat meat meat"), it just shows that noel is ignorant when it comes to the art of scriptwriting. i believe he hasn't written a screenplay yet.

the premise i raised in defending lao as the best scriptwriter is not the 'meat' of my argument. i think 'commentary' is hallucinating.

armando lao is the best scriptwriter because he is the best. period. awards, even if he holds the urian record for the winningest screenwriter, won't suffice his overwhelming talent.

alam mo ba an ibig sabihin ng 'relevant'? i think you don't, otherwise you won't ask what you asked.

am i a homosexual? you want an answer?

i will admit it, IF AND ONLY IF, noel will admit it. so? paaminin mo na si noel, para mapaamin mo ako.

commentary, you're too shallow to outwit me. hehehe

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« Reply #228 on: Mar 30, 2003 at 03:21 PM »
"homophilia, whether willing or unwilling, is homosexualism, no need to further explain."

Huh?  I admire and like filmmakers who happen to be homosexual, I thought I made that clear.  

"noel vera questions the sexuality of mike de leon and then no one badgers. i question noel's sexuality and everybody raised hell. how come?"

Because of the way you asked it? Like you're spoiling for a fight?

My speculating on De Leon's sexuality is part and parcel of my admiration for his works--I want to know more about the man, and hopefully this way understand more about his films.  Your insinuation was insulting, but I pretty much let it pass until now.

"with noel's point on lacaba (about "meat meat meat"), it just shows that noel is ignorant when it comes to the art of scriptwriting. i believe he hasn't written a screenplay yet."

Rizal sa Dapitan.  Part of my screenplay was used for the final product.  

"armando lao is the best scriptwriter because he is the best. period."

I've been explaining, here and in my articles why O'Hara, and yes, Lao are good.  You come up with terms like "ignorant" and "period."  How about explaining why you think Lao's the best, instead of hitting out so recklessly?

"am i a homosexual? you want an answer?

i will admit it, IF AND ONLY IF, noel will admit it. so? paaminin mo na si noel, para mapaamin mo ako."

I admitted I am not.  Are you saying you are, or are not?  Come clean, or stay silent.

And incidentally, I'm using my real name.  What's yours or are you afraid to say it?

"commentary, you're too shallow to outwit me. hehehe"

Cute. With a mere two posts you've managed to insult me and comm in particular, and all the members of this message board in general.  This isn't PinoyExchange, you know, where any moron can fight any other moron.  If you want to continue in this vein, maybe we should take it up with the moderator.
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« Reply #229 on: Mar 31, 2003 at 04:59 AM »
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mr. delcros,

welcome to pinoydvd.

we welcome strong opinions always here in pinoydvd.  in fact, if our discussions get too sedated, we get pretty bored.  hence our allowing of mr. vera's snide remarks, sometimes ;D.

you obviously know a lot about filipino film and would be a very welcome asset to the pinoydvd community.

but resorting to personal insult is just not fair.  please debate on the merits of a film or a director, without having to personally attack the poster.  

be nice.

thanks.

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« Reply #230 on: Mar 31, 2003 at 12:37 PM »
it'd be interesting how Jeturian would direct those young actors. he was able to churn out something good from Gerald Madrid.

Are you refering to Gerald Madrid in Sana pag-ibig na? Sorry, but In my opinion I think he ruined an otherwise good  film. His acting was really bad. ;D

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« Reply #231 on: Mar 31, 2003 at 10:49 PM »
I thought Angel Aquino and Nida Blanca were very good, tho...

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« Reply #232 on: Mar 31, 2003 at 11:11 PM »
Stuff I've seen:

Gerry de Leon's "Lilet" is at times awkwardly done, with an overcomplicated Gothic plot (daughter comes back after years of imprisonment for killing her brother--who is her lover), and Celia Rodriguez is much too old for the role (it should be a twenty or eighteen year old nymphet, I think).  But De Leon's Gothic style and sense of atmosphere is there, some of the editing and images are striking.  And this may be the equivalent in his career to Michael Powell's "Peeping Tom," or Alfred Hitchcock's "Frenzy"--the film where he wears his perversions on his sleeve.

"Fe, Esperanza, Caridad" is a Nora Aunor showcase, with three directors involved.  

"Fe" is competently directed by Cirio Santiago, and is basically a warmed over version of "A Star is Born" (Nora will have retold this far more successfully in her "Kastilyong Buhangin."  

"Esperanza" is surpisingly light and charming (she plays housewife to a likeable Jay Ilagan)--in fact, it's the first Lamberto Avellana film I've ever liked, and the first time I've seen Nora be effortlessly funny.  

"Caridad" is amazing: Gerry De Leon does a breathtaking sequence of Nora as a nun, running away with a gardener (Ronaldo Valdez, who else?).  

Then it turns out that the gardener is The Devil Himself, and the segment plunges into purest schlock: he wears a Count Dracula costume and a medallion that looks like it was lifted from John Travolta in Saturday Nigth Fever.  His bedroom (you might call it his pad) could have been used as a disco (you can guess Satan liked to party down).

And then--it recovers!  Nora has sex with Satan, then tempts him into good; De Leon's stylized acting and dialogue (it's always been that way, it seems) actually fits the metaphysical drama unfolding, and you end up feeling some sympathy for all the parties involved.  Amazing piece of film--as much for the way it spectacularly goes off the rail, then somehow comes back on track.

"Banaue"--well, what can I say, except De Leon was old when he did this.  Like Annaud with "Quest for Fire," or Boorman with "The Emerald Forest," he tries to film primitive people and with disastrous results.  Everyone speaks literary dialogue that just kills the drama, some of the spears look obviously tinfoil, and De Leon has this habit (you see sometimes in "Lilet") of smearing his lenses with Vaseline--in "Banaue's" case, colored Vaseline apparently, and all the time.  The fight scenes towards the end are expertly shot and cut, if awkwardly staged.

Mario O'Hara's "Bed Sins" is a mess, but a fascinating one.  Sarsi Emmanuelle plays a high class hooker (of course) with a messy life--she has a customer obsessed with her, a would-be boyfriend who hates her, and a best friend who seems religiously psycopathic.  

O'Hara has a Gothic style I think he inherited from De Leon, and his editing is always enjoyable, but this time the movie looks--flat.  It's a cheapo production for Seiko films, and there are a few good setpieces (a gunfight, some of the sex scenes, and an ending that is disturbing, to say the least), and it has O'Hara's patented dark sense of irony, but something's missing.  Sarsi's pretty good here, though; Liza Lorena as the relgious fanatic friend is amazing.

I saw the uncut version--graphic shots of cunnilingus and of fellatio inserted, not as blatantly as I was led to believe, and apparently without O'Hara's permission.  That makes this film more explicit than even the legendary Scorpio Nights (but I'm told many of Seiko's films then were like this...).

Finally, Efren C. Pinon's "The Death of Satan" is one of the most bizarre films I've ever seen, with Ramon Revilla duking it out with, yes The Devil Himself.  Heads spin, decomposing bodies jump out of the water, a cheek is torn off...but maybe the strangest scene in the film is Revilla trying to deal with a cageful of totally naked women (breasts, buttocks, pubic hair and all) that he suddenly freed.  Weird, and this from someone who finds Lynch and Cronenberg comforting.
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« Reply #233 on: Apr 01, 2003 at 01:01 PM »
I thought Angel Aquino and Nida Blanca were very good, tho...

This time, Noel, I think I'm going to agree with you ;) ;D

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« Reply #234 on: Apr 01, 2003 at 02:16 PM »
Is there any chances Noel or RMN that I can still find on video wherein Charo Santos was a victim and uttered the famous line to Albert Martinez "hetong P50.00 mo!",

also his children are played by Gina Alajar, William Martinez, her best friend is Chanda Romero who was killed by the legendary Anna MArie Gutierrez of "scorpio nights"fame?  ;D

I forgot the title of the movie but I think it was shown back in 1984.

Bro NOel you never mentioned this movie in this thread. WAs it forgettable?  ;D

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« Reply #235 on: Apr 01, 2003 at 08:30 PM »
Is there any chances Noel or RMN that I can still find on video wherein Charo Santos was a victim and uttered the famous line to Albert Martinez "hetong P50.00 mo!",

also his children are played by Gina Alajar, William Martinez, her best friend is Chanda Romero who was killed by the legendary Anna MArie Gutierrez of "scorpio nights"fame?  ;D

Keating, I think the best one to answer your question would be Noel, our resident film guru ;D  Now, if only I've seen as many films as Noel has... ;D


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« Reply #236 on: Apr 01, 2003 at 09:53 PM »
Hm.  Nope, doesn't ring a bell, sorry.  And I'm confused:

Charo Santos is a victim of what?  Rape?  Albert Martinez is the rapist?  And Albert's kids are Gina Alajar and William Martinez?  Maybe the film goes back and forth in time?

I suppose I could ask around. Sounds like a Danny Zialcita film...

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« Reply #237 on: Apr 02, 2003 at 10:15 AM »
Speaking of movies and rape scenes, whats the title of this Lino Brocka movie where, while vacationing in Gabby Concepcion's rest house, Lorna Tolentino is raped by Rez Cortrez in front of her husband Christopher de Leon?

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« Reply #238 on: Apr 02, 2003 at 06:08 PM »
Hm.  Nope, doesn't ring a bell, sorry.  And I'm confused:

Charo Santos is a victim of what?  Rape?  Albert Martinez is the rapist?  And Albert's kids are Gina Alajar and William Martinez?  Maybe the film goes back and forth in time?

I suppose I could ask around. Sounds like a Danny Zialcita film...

Noel, its like an epic story wherein Ms. Charo Santos emerged as the matriarch of a wealthy and powerful family in the present times.

Back in the Japanese occupation she was not raped by Albert Martinez but fall in love with him. She was a servant in their house.
He dumped her and later gave her P50 bucks. In retaliation, Charo Santos visit him during the present times and uttered that famous line.

Also there was a scene wherein a bomb explode in their house wherein the ones to blame are her children played by Gina Alajar, many others. The children want to get her fortune and money.


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« Reply #239 on: Apr 02, 2003 at 10:57 PM »
Hm.  Nope, doesn't ring a bell, sorry.  And I'm confused:

Charo Santos is a victim of what?  Rape?  Albert Martinez is the rapist?  And Albert's kids are Gina Alajar and William Martinez?  Maybe the film goes back and forth in time?

I suppose I could ask around. Sounds like a Danny Zialcita film...

Noel, its like an epic story wherein Ms. Charo Santos emerged as the matriarch of a wealthy and powerful family in the present times.

Back in the Japanese occupation she was not raped by Albert Martinez but fall in love with him. She was a servant in their house.
He dumped her and later gave her P50 bucks. In retaliation, Charo Santos visit him during the present times and uttered that famous line.

Also there was a scene wherein a bomb explode in their house wherein the ones to blame are her children played by Gina Alajar, many others. The children want to get her fortune and money.



Hmmm. It does sound familiar ... but I can't seem to recall the title.