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Home Theater => Audio => Tubes => Topic started by: xdaatom206 on Jul 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM
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Any info on Sakura Tube Amps in the market
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Any info on Sakura Tube Amps in the market
Nakakita ako ng Sakura Tube Amps @200W at around 3.5K lang ang price. Duon sa may tabi ng UNO Sporting Goods sa Raon.
Nagagandahan nga ako kase maliit siya at cute, parang gusto ko rin magkaroon. Di ko lang na-audition kase naka-plastic ang display at dyahi ako dahil di ko pa siya na-research, pero sabi ng may-ari ng store ay mahusay daw tumunog dahil parang diesel daw na habang umiinit lalong clear ang sound output. :)
Siyanga pala, hybrid ng tube at transistors ang laman, sabi ng may-ari ng store.
Sana next time marinig natin ang tunog, parang naaalala ko tuloy erpat ko na nagpapatugtog ng marching band LPs. :D
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Nakakita ako ng Sakura Tube Amps @200W at around 3.5K lang ang price. Duon sa may tabi ng UNO Sporting Goods sa Raon.
Nagagandahan nga ako kase maliit siya at cute, parang gusto ko rin magkaroon. Di ko lang na-audition kase naka-plastic ang display at dyahi ako dahil di ko pa siya na-research, pero sabi ng may-ari ng store ay mahusay daw tumunog dahil parang diesel daw na habang umiinit lalong clear ang sound output. :)
Siyanga pala, hybrid ng tube at transistors ang laman, sabi ng may-ari ng store.
Sana next time marinig natin ang tunog, parang naaalala ko tuloy erpat ko na nagpapatugtog ng marching band LPs. :D
wow 200w na tube amp! this i got to see! post pics naman yung mga nakakita.
thanks!
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wow 200w na tube amp! this i got to see! post pics naman yung mga nakakita.
thanks!
Yes me too nagka interes tuloy ako to have a tube amp.
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Eto na yung picture ng Sakura AV-200 Amp @100wpc sa Raon.
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009001.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009.jpg)
Front Panel:
Input Selector
Power Button
Volume Control
Side Panel:
Bass Control
Treble Control
Magkaka-idea na naman ang Konzert na magkaroon ng ganito. :D :D :D
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Eto na yung picture ng Sakura AV-200 Amp @100wpc sa Raon.
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009001.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009.jpg)
Front Panel:
Input Selector
Power Button
Volume Control
Side Panel:
Bass Control
Treble Control
Magkaka-idea na naman ang Konzert na magkaroon ng ganito. :D :D :D
nice ;D
i also saw that being sold at eBay PH.
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Yung palang neighbor nung pinsan ko sa Makati may Sakura tube amp na ganyan. Nabili daw niya sa isang store sa Greenhills (corek si bro textmailbox dun sa price nya), kaya lang nagkaroon ng problem kasi after 2 hours of playing pa lang eh biglang nawala yung sound. May power, pero no sound. walang waranty daw eh (verbal lang, hehe). Medyo natatanggal din yung mga plastic handles nung binding posts. Yung volume knob naman, nagsisikip pagdating sa 12 oclock, parang nai-istuck. Bago niya binalik sa shop eto yung pics:
Since meron ng pics nung front si textmailbox, eto na lang yung likod:
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260007.jpg)
Instead na 'Sakura' nakalagay, eh 'Sakua' ??? . Tapos nakalagay 'POWER OUTPUT(PMPO)......MAX.200W+200W' (hindi pala RMS):
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260006.jpg)
Specs sa manual (nakasulat din pmpo):
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260003.jpg)
Sabi dun sa store eh mga 2 weeks daw bago mapalitan. :P
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PMPO not RMS so 20 watts lang ang RMS nya?
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PMPO not RMS so 20 watts lang ang RMS nya?
Pano ba mag-convert? Ewan ko nga eh, wala yatang definite formula to convert PMPO to RMS, let's see what the experts say.
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M not an expert pero what i usually hear, DIBAY-DIBAY 10 lang daw to get the RMS.
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Ganun? maganda at simpleng formula yan ah :)
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SAKUA kase yata yun at hindi SAKURA. :D
May warranty naman sila sa Raon pag binili ang item.
At sa opinyon ko lang, kailangan talaga ng ingat kapag vacuum tube ang amplifier.
Dapat i-match ang speaker impedance at controlled environment, di siya talaga pwede gamitin kung saan-saan dahil fragile ang vacuum tube.
Nuong araw na panahon ng mga olds ko, di pwede basta hawakan ang vacuum tube at madaling masisira ang amplifier.
Ewan ko ngayon...
:)
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SAKUA kase yata yun at hindi SAKURA. :D
<snip>
He he! It's the same unit bro, Sakura yung nakalagay sa box at sa front ng unit, pero Sakua yung nasa likod :D So either na misspell ng Sakura yung name nila sa likod, or counterfeit Sakura ito. ;D
Na-tempt lang daw yung bumili kasi mura nga, even if signs point to it as most probably an imitation, a Sakura imitation at that (not sure ito ha).
At any rate, caveat emptor ... ;)
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Iba iba ang PMPO at max ratings eh, depende sa marketing group I guess. :D
Interesting siya because of the entry price, wala pang kalahati ng presyo ng Dared MP-5. Mas mura pa sa mga T-Amps.
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He he! It's the same unit bro, Sakura yung nakalagay sa box at sa front ng unit, pero Sakua yung nasa likod :D So either na misspell ng Sakura yung name nila sa likod, or counterfeit Sakura ito. ;D
Na-tempt lang daw yung bumili kasi mura nga, even if signs point to it as most probably an imitation, a Sakura imitation at that (not sure ito ha).
At any rate, caveat emptor ... ;)
Hmmm... baka nga imitation na Sakura amp yan. Kaya nga siguro mura. ;)
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Elow, Guys.
Nag set-up ako ng KSS-10 speaker para sa Sakura 502K. Guess what? Maganda ang tunog, kahit hi-fi lang okay na okay ang kantahan. May extra bass power na rin naman ang Sakura 502K, kahit wala pa akong subwoofer ayos lang.
Take note: Karamihan sa mga videoke machine ngayon sa Raon Sakura 502K na ang ginagamit. Ayaw na ng mga customer magpalagay ng 502A marami daw kaseng peke lalo sa Raon.
:D :D :D
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Tunog lata ba ang peke na sakura amp? Napakamura ang Sakura -- bakit ba nila ito pinepeke? ::)
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(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260006.jpg)
Eto yung sinasabi nilang peke, tube amp na wala naman talaga sa product catalog ng Crown at Sakura.
So far, puro Sakura 502K integrated amp ngayon ang mga gamit sa build-up ng karaoke machines sa Raon.
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Kamusta naman kaya tunog niyan... di ba ma"SAKUA"? ??? Pangalan nalang kokopyahin, mali pa. :o ;D ::)
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Kamusta naman kaya tunog niyan... di ba ma"SAKUA"? ??? Pangalan nalang kokopyahin, mali pa. :o ;D ::)
hi ryan! oonga "whats in a name? a rose by any other name would smell as sweet"; basta ok ang tunog ayos!
uso naman ang gaya-gaya ng mga named brands- sony/sonny;sunny ;D
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panalo ka rito, i can not DIY them for the price.... ;D
yung tube amp, ipa mod mo kay jojod and you will have a winner also...
korek tony... took a peek before on a 502a i think and i can't explain how they do it but they're doing it. the discrete amp was simplified with the absence of current mirrors, cascodes, etc. though the published output power is so way beyond the actual power but hey, for 3k+ panalo!
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sakura av200tube amp
4.1k initial price may tawad pa daw
front panel> selector . power . volume
side > bass & treble
apat na tubes ang gamit. dalawa sa harap parang 6922/6dj8, yung 2 sa likod na mas malaki. 4pins lang 5z4p at 787j ang marka.
ganda ng finishing. not tested. inabot ako ng ulan eh ;D
eto kaya panapat sa dared mp5? why 200w? eh ang gaan nung binuhat ko! ::) :o
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Eto na yung picture ng Sakura AV-200 Amp @100wpc sa Raon.
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009001.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009.jpg)
Front Panel:
Input Selector
Power Button
Volume Control
Side Panel:
Bass Control
Treble Control
Magkaka-idea na naman ang Konzert na magkaroon ng ganito. :D :D :D
There should be a schematic with the manual, pa post naman para makita namin ni Tony... ;D
Di ko kasi alam kung saan kukunin yun 200W... ::)
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There should be a schematic with the manual, pa post naman para makita namin ni Tony... ;D
Di ko kasi alam kung saan kukunin yun 200W... ::)
SAKURA --> SAKUA?
200W --> 20W?
EDITED to highlight important mod:
replace the input caps of the power amp board with a film cap type...
the power amp input ecap could be leaky, a 1ufd film cap will do nicely,......
while you are at it, parallel the miniature tube unused pins, 1//6; 2//8; 3//8.....
less ecap to worry about.
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(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260003.jpg)
hindi naman siya power consumption kasi power output nakasulat... baka hybrid siguro yan?
pero what bothers me is the Frequency Response spec... +/-2dB? nakakalito naman yan... ::)
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The famous PMPO! ;D
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The famous PMPO! ;D
Unfortunately...
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cant find any info/schematic on sakura or sakua av-200t sa internet ;D
nung binuhat ko, parang wala transformer sa gaan!
kahoy pa ang ginamit na material as cage nung supposedly transformer. may fan pa!
my guess> hybrid
(hindi naman kaya tripath chip ::) ;D )
5z4p 4pin fullwave rectifier tube > http://us.100y.com.tw/pdf_file/5Z4P.pdf
http://www.tubeampdoctor.com/english-store/5Z4P-Tube-Full-Wave-Rectifier-pid-1320.htm
its chinese tube and one net info sez can be substituted w/5z4g
(http://us.100y.com.tw/product_jpg_big/A016214.jpg)
Since meron ng pics nung front si textmailbox, eto na lang yung likod:
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260007.jpg)
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sana may nakabili na patingin naman more pics ;D kung pwede sama na pics yun loob... ;)
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smps na nga yan, yung rectifier pang showmanship lang, para masabi na de-tubo..... ;D
langy, parang showbiz ah... ;D ;D ;D
meron cover sa ibabaw ng amp baka nandun yun tranny...
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naalala kng bigla yung isang thread na may rectifier pero tumutunog pa rin kahit wala yung tube.... ;D :D :D
pero bibile ako ng sakura para gawin kong refference amp..... ;D
ako rin! kaya lang wala daw schematic ;D
how does its s.q. fare vs. hybrid mosfet dared mp5? ::)
200wats pwedengpwede pang rakrakan. ;D
(unless mahubaran si emperor sakura, di magkaalaman hehehe)
naghihintayan kung sino una bibile. (kundi umulan at naghihintay si mang gerry, baka nag-gamble ako ipatest, sayang). baka mamaya ;D
*edit/add
btw shops name is RALD ALLIED electricalsupplies 733-1762 and 733-1777 ; i think its the owner who gave me calling card. [email protected]
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naalala kng bigla yung isang thread na may rectifier pero tumutunog pa rin kahit wala yung tube.... ;D :D :D
pero bibile ako ng sakura para gawin kong refference amp..... ;D
possible na tube input, ss output kaya may fan sa loob yun heatsinks... ;D
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sana may nakabili na patingin naman more pics ;D kung pwede sama na pics yun loob... ;)
sir ako meron nito. mahirap i rate ang tunog. After ko i tweak, tinabi ko na fisher ko. :D
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sir ako meron nito. mahirap i rate ang tunog. After ko i tweak, tinabi ko na fisher ko. :D
ayos ! "giantkiller ba? yun tipo pwede magkaron ng "cultfollowing?" Sakuaistas! ;D
pwede na itabi allied333 ko!?
friday traffic quiapo day, di natuloy audition.
sir pwede malaman ano tweakable parts? 200wpc ba? ano est. mo rms power nya 20-20/8ohms
tnx
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ayos ! "giantkiller ba? yun tipo pwede magkaron ng "cultfollowing?" Sakuaistas! ;D
pwede na itabi allied333 ko!?
friday traffic quiapo day, di natuloy audition.
sir pwede malaman ano tweakable parts? 200wpc ba? ano est. mo rms power nya 20-20/8ohms
tnx
25w per channel lang and ang tube pre-amp section lang. Dami akong pinalitan mga 25-30 items.
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i think this thread has grown a life of its own. split it from the sakura amp thread from the amplifier section. post away. :)
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25w per channel lang and ang tube pre-amp section lang. Dami akong pinalitan mga 25-30 items.
congrats sir anthony!
aroooojoshkupo! meron ganon kadami piyesa sa loob? buti di kinalog nung binuhat ko ;D
basta maganda ang tunog at may upgraded parts availabilty pwede na sugalan. worth a try. (ibang usapan naman ang gastos baka mas mahal pa sa buong amp ::) ;D
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congrats sir anthony!
aroooojoshkupo! meron ganon kadami piyesa sa loob? buti di kinalog nung binuhat ko ;D
basta maganda ang tunog at may upgraded parts availabilty pwede na sugalan. worth a try. (ibang usapan naman ang gastos baka mas mahal pa sa buong amp ::) ;D
hehe, yun nga gusto kong itanong kay sir anthony, magkano inabot yung 25-30 parts na yon? ;D
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congrats anthony post pics ka naman pag may time ;D
maganda nga sana pati loob ;D
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oo nga ano? a la joe rasmussen..... ;D
mismo, pero mukhang maraming pinagkaiba... actually, the Dared MP5 is much much much more like Joe's JLTi series...
ako rin! kaya lang wala daw schematic ;D
how does its s.q. fare vs. hybrid mosfet dared mp5? ::)
200wats pwedengpwede pang rakrakan. ;D
(unless mahubaran si emperor sakura, di magkaalaman hehehe)
naghihintayan kung sino una bibile. (kundi umulan at naghihintay si mang gerry, baka nag-gamble ako ipatest, sayang). baka mamaya ;D
*edit/add
btw shops name is RALD ALLIED electricalsupplies 733-1762 and 733-1777 ; i think its the owner who gave me calling card. [email protected]
fyi lang po sir, wala po laman mosfet part ang Dared MP5, not even in the power supply. it's a different rendition of Joe Rasmussen's tube buffered gainclone with the addition of a usb input and a headphone out.
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sir ako meron nito. mahirap i rate ang tunog. After ko i tweak, tinabi ko na fisher ko. :D
sir, bale mas maganda pa siya sa fisher mo nun na tweak mo?
if ever you have time baka pwede pics of what's inside... gusto ko lang makita topology and satisfy my curiosity.
thanks
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fyi lang po sir, wala po laman mosfet part ang Dared MP5, not even in the power supply. it's a different rendition of Joe Rasmussen's tube buffered gainclone with the addition of a usb input and a headphone out.
tnx. i googled "dared mp5" and clicked the 1st result i got>
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/Magazine/equipment/0306/dared_mp5.htm
March 2006
Dared MP-5 Vacuum Tube Amplifier
Daring to be different.
Review By Jeff Rabin
The Dared MP-5 Vacuum Tube Amplifier (or should I more accurately say, USB DAC, Headphone Amplifier, Hybrid Tube and MOSFET Single Input Integrated Amplifier with Magic Eye, for it is all these things) I am afraid to say is not such a product. Exhale. That said, however, the DARED MP-5 amplifier is quite simply one of the most whimsical, fun and useful pieces of good sounding gear that has crossed my desk in a long while. Indeed, it is so oddball in function that I don’t even know how to classify it.
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The name doesn't, to me anyway, give much indication as to what the product is or does. In fact, I have come almost to associate anything with the letters mp before it as a sign of something less than hi-fi, of lossy codecs, IPODs, and a woman with unfeasibly large forearms named Frau Hoffer. Call this amp what you will, and the naming of the product is the one lacunae of imagination and execution on the part of the designers, but the MP-5 would seem to belong to a whole new category or categories of hi-fi component because not only is it a USB DAC, a single input integrated amplifier, a headphone amp, a user of one of my favorite amplifier topologies (lush tubes upfront and creamy MOSFETs out back) it even has a brand new, Chinese sourced magic eye which is there for no other reason than I can see than to provide a light show. The MP-5 is a veritable Swiss Army knife of a hi-fi component that I didn’t even know I needed.
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misinformed yun gumawa ng review ah... ;D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/Dared%20MP5/04.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/Dared%20MP5/03.jpg)
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Dared yan Jo? ano gagawin mo?
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sir, bale mas maganda pa siya sa fisher mo nun na tweak mo?
if ever you have time baka pwede pics of what's inside... gusto ko lang makita topology and satisfy my curiosity.
thanks
yes sir mas maganda pa sa fisher ko. post ko picture bukas medyo buzy sa baha hanggang hita d2 sa amin.
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yes sir mas maganda pa sa fisher ko. post ko picture bukas medyo buzy sa baha hanggang hita d2 sa amin.
sir pwede pa post din pics ng mga tweaked/upgraded parts. tnx
coming from sir anthony, to claim that the upgraded/tweaked sakua is better than his fisher x100 int.amp sez a lot about the potential of this "hybrid amp".
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Dared yan Jo? ano gagawin mo?
Yup Dared yan paps, pinag aaralan ko muna mabuti...
yes sir mas maganda pa sa fisher ko. post ko picture bukas medyo buzy sa baha hanggang hita d2 sa amin.
Wow, a Fisher bowing to a Sakura is really something. Hope everything is ok diyan sa inyo Master Anthony, dito sa Marulas bubong na lang naiwan.
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Yup Dared yan paps, pinag aaralan ko muna mabuti...
Wow, a Fisher bowing to a Sakura is really something. Hope everything is ok diyan sa inyo Master Anthony, dito sa Marulas bubong na lang naiwan.
if a sakura is modded already...
di na po sakura yan...
HYBRID na malamang...
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if a sakura is modded already...
di na po sakura yan...
HYBRID na malamang...
from the looks of it sir, it is already a HYBRID in the first place...
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from the looks of it sir, it is already a HYBRID in the first place...
its now what i meant sir...
di na po sya dapat tawagin na sakura, kasi nga modded na sya...
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its now what i meant sir...
di na po sya dapat tawagin na sakura, kasi nga modded na sya...
what I meant was, hybrid na siya kahit stock pa siya so kahit anong mod ang gawin ay hybrid pa din. ;D labo ko ba, hangover kay Ondoy...
edit: i'm waiting for my schematic to confirm if it is indeed a stock hybrid... my neighbor wants to try one daw. :)
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yes sir mas maganda pa sa fisher ko. post ko picture bukas medyo buzy sa baha hanggang hita d2 sa amin.
Sir, I got one here in Cebu so far so good. She's driving Pioneer CS803 4 way speaker system. May I know sir ano yung pinalitan mo sa loob para gayahin ko dito sa Cebu. Thanks po.
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Sir, I got one here in Cebu so far so good. She's driving Pioneer CS803 4 way speaker system. May I know sir ano yung pinalitan mo sa loob para gayahin ko dito sa Cebu. Thanks po.
bai,
or you can post the closeup pics of your stock sakua's innards perhaps the gurus here can take if from there and suggest the possible tweaks.
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bai,
or you can post the closeup pics of your stock sakua's innards perhaps he gurus here can take if from there and suggest the possible tweaks.
Ok Bai try ko open siya and take some picutres on it.
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(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00396.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00406.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00401.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00399.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00402.jpg)
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ayun oh... discrete class ab amp...
thanks for the pics.
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(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00396.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00406.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00401.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00399.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00402.jpg)
magkano naman bro inabot yung pag modify mo? kung 3.5k ang base price ng unit ++++ ng modifications???
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Sir, I got one here in Cebu so far so good. She's driving Pioneer CS803 4 way speaker system. May I know sir ano yung pinalitan mo sa loob para gayahin ko dito sa Cebu. Thanks po.
bai, saan store at address sa cebu nabili mo ang amp at magkano? thanks po.
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kung mundorf auricap nichicon alps rikken kiwame atbp piyesa gamitin para palitan stock parts muka ngang mas mahal pa sa unit ang modification. eleshop red mkp audiophiler caps more reasonable but 1uf ang pinakamababa.
ewan lang kung kay mang gerry caps etc ;D ::) sayang walang parts list ang sakua ;D
sana may amperex a or L frames pa ma-ukay-ukay ;D
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magkano naman bro inabot yung pag modify mo? kung 3.5k ang base price ng unit ++++ ng modifications???
3k sir parts and labor na.
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Was able to audition this amp last thursday at diy_master's house. He tweaked it, added alps potentiometer and substituted the capacitor and resistors and voila! the sound blew me away! This sub 4k amp tweaked by Anthony would put to shame far more expensive tube amps like the Dared's and the Cayins for just a little piece of your hard earned money! You have to hear it to believe it! here are pics I tooked of his tweaked Sakura amp! :)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009492.jpg)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009493.jpg)
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Was able to audition this amp last thursday at diy_master's house. He tweaked it, added alps potentiometer and substituted the capacitor and resistors and voila! the sound blew me away! This sub 4k amp tweaked by Anthony would put to shame far more expensive tube amps like the Dared's and the Cayins for just a little piece of your hard earned money! You have to hear it to believe it! here are pics I tooked of his tweaked Sakura amp! :)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009492.jpg)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009493.jpg)
3k sir parts and labor na.
sirs,
were the stock small front-tubes (i think 6dj8/6922 equivalent) changed?
care to share the capacitor and resistor brands? boutique ba?
how about the stock caps and resistors?
any change in values from the original?
thanks.
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3k sir parts and labor na.
pagawa . hahahaha
kitakits bukas pre.
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3k sir parts and labor na.
planning to sell modded sakura sir? ;)
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Sir Rene, I don't think he changed the tubes, stock pa rin. When it comes to caps and resistors, medyo bopol tayo diyan pero the pics he posted were the only things he replaced in the amp. For the price of 3k for parts and labor, and less than 4k for the amp, this is surely a steal! Thanks and Godbless! :)
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tony,
eto nakita ko
apat na tubes ang gamit. dalawa sa harap parang 6922/6dj8, yung 2 sa likod na mas malaki. 4pins lang 5z4p at 787j ang marka.
full wave rectifier
http://us.100y.com.tw/PNoInfo/43283.htm
(http://us.100y.com.tw/product_jpg_big/A016214.jpg)
http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260438836678
http://www.tubeampdoctor.com/english-store/5Z4P-Tube-Full-Wave-Rectifier-pid-1320.htm
its chinese tube and one net info sez can be substituted w/5z4g
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Sir Rene, I don't think he changed the tubes, stock pa rin. When it comes to caps and resistors, medyo bopol tayo diyan pero the pics he posted were the only things he replaced in the amp. For the price of 3k for parts and labor, and less than 4k for the amp, this is surely a steal! Thanks and Godbless! :)
thanks sir funk firm. pareho tayo bopols sa electronics. ;D
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ahh, marami siguro silang stock nyan tubes na yan, kaya kailangan madispose..... ...supply ng 6922 preamp malamang.....
so dapat me higher voltage cap dyan, at least 160volts, o baka naman palamuti na naman yan, parang yung rectifer dun sa kabilang thread.... ;D
me nakasubok na bang magtanggal nang rectifier tube para malaman kung gagana pa rin yung amp?
pwede kasi sa 35volts plate ang 6922, gagana pa rin yon.. ;D
ganda naman ng dating nung 5z4p, aesthetically ;D pero kung wala, baka menos 1k?
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rebranded ng sakura yan, halata naman dun sa sakua dba :)
Dami sa shenzhen nyan. BTW, boss anthony mas ok ba sya compare sa mga lm chips? since class ab sya?
Eto oh mas makatotohanan sa itsura pero mas nakakaaning yung presyo kung hindi iisipin ang mga kurakot sa tax :)
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-37792f881ef1f37ec3087eaad68087a1.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-dd2fed1310cd69c6e7d736f232c8199f.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-faacb0b4c161415118639e6712c530f5.htm
Magsawa ka :)
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Was able to audition this amp last thursday at diy_master's house. He tweaked it, added alps potentiometer and substituted the capacitor and resistors and voila! the sound blew me away! This sub 4k amp tweaked by Anthony would put to shame far more expensive tube amps like the Dared's and the Cayins for just a little piece of your hard earned money! You have to hear it to believe it! here are pics I tooked of his tweaked Sakura amp! :)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009492.jpg)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009493.jpg)
ang cute! ;D
so a good sounding one will cost 3.5k + 3k = 6.5k not bad na rin, naka integrated tubo ka na under 7k.
ilang wpc ba talaga sya?
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rebranded ng sakura yan, halata naman dun sa sakua dba :)
Dami sa shenzhen nyan. BTW, boss anthony mas ok ba sya compare sa mga lm chips? since class ab sya?
Eto oh mas makatotohanan sa itsura pero mas nakakaaning yung presyo kung hindi iisipin ang mga kurakot sa tax :)
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-37792f881ef1f37ec3087eaad68087a1.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-dd2fed1310cd69c6e7d736f232c8199f.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-faacb0b4c161415118639e6712c530f5.htm
Magsawa ka :)
ayos ang mga intsik na tubero ah!!! ;D ;D ;D
meron din naman tayo ibubuga sa china. maraming magaling mag-diy dito sa atin pero, maliban sa amx, hindi ganun ka-commercialized.
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sana nga maglabasan na din dito ng Pinoy "budget meals" o "tipid meals" tube amps. sa ginawa ni Anthony imagine nasa 7k lang... kaso lang wala na akong makitang Pinoy creations na ganun kababa. kaya tuloy sa Dared MP5 ang bagsak. wish ko la-a-ang...
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sana nga maglabasan na din dito ng Pinoy "budget meals" o "tipid meals" tube amps. sa ginawa ni Anthony imagine nasa 7k lang... kaso lang wala na akong makitang Pinoy creations na ganun kababa. kaya tuloy sa Dared MP5 ang bagsak. wish ko la-a-ang...
punta lang kay Anthony wish come true na yan sir...
Was able to audition this amp last thursday at diy_master's house. He tweaked it, added alps potentiometer and substituted the capacitor and resistors and voila! the sound blew me away! This sub 4k amp tweaked by Anthony would put to shame far more expensive tube amps like the Dared's and the Cayins for just a little piece of your hard earned money! You have to hear it to believe it! here are pics I tooked of his tweaked Sakura amp! :)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009492.jpg)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009493.jpg)
tagilid ang Dared at Cayin...
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punta lang kay Anthony wish come true na yan sir...
tagilid ang Dared at Cayin...
Brader Jo - for some reason, I was kinda expecting your post regarding this particular amp.......but then again, I think would rather call you instead ;D
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Brader Jo - for some reason, I was kinda expecting your post regarding this particular amp.......but then again, I think would rather call you instead ;D
mukhang may lulutuin na naman kayo sir ah! ;D
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Brader Jo - for some reason, I was kinda expecting your post regarding this particular amp.......but then again, I think would rather call you instead ;D
As always brader... ;D
mukhang may lulutuin na naman kayo sir ah! ;D
Meron brader anchit. Pork with tofu nga lang... ;D ;D ;D
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sana nga maglabasan na din dito ng Pinoy "budget meals" o "tipid meals" tube amps. sa ginawa ni Anthony imagine nasa 7k lang... kaso lang wala na akong makitang Pinoy creations na ganun kababa. kaya tuloy sa Dared MP5 ang bagsak. wish ko la-a-ang...
problema lang kasi wala sa atin yung mga materials :)
The rest nasa atin na.
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i-shootout na eto - mp5 vs sakura av200 ;D
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i-shootout na eto - mp5 vs sakura av200 ;D
sasama ako ha ;D
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Nice idea, shoot out nyo rin ang dalawa, MP5 vs Sakura AV200.
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Nice idea, shoot out nyo rin ang dalawa, MP5 vs Sakura AV200.
mas maganda meron din stock vs modded sakura
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uy sama ako dito! natetempt na nga ako kunin yung mp5 sa FS thread eh. ;D
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uy sama ako dito! natetempt na nga ako kunin yung mp5 sa FS thread eh. ;D
kunin na kasi at bagay din yan sa a audio bookshelves. ;D
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tama si pareng mark, dapat may stock at improved version :). Kailan start? sama ako dyan hehe.
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kunin na kasi at bagay din yan sa a audio bookshelves. ;D
+ 1million! in kulam mode :D
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kelan ang shootout??
san location? kina anthony? baka me area pa na baha doon...
very interested sa dared, sakura stock and modded..
Sir Anthony,
facilitate mo na to, and if you can prove na mas ok talaga ung modded mo...
malamang busy ka hanggang december..... :D
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meron na fs sa marketplace. can shootout be far behind?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=103679.0
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meron na fs sa marketplace. can shootout be far behind?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=103679.0
Magkano kaya kung Group Buy? ;) ;) ;)
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Okay to mga pards! Lahat tayo magbebenefit dito. I'm looking forward to this shootout.
Name the time and place naman po mga sirs.
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sana may mag sponsor ng place nila sa QC area naman ;D or kung kila sir mark sama pa rin ako! ;D
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wala pa ngang shootout ang dami nang nagpapalista sa group buy
pag nagkataon pila ang magpapa-mod kay sir anthony
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=103679.0
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Since Anthony already has a modified Sakura tube amp, so a borrowed Dared MP5 would do for the shootout.
You can also entice anthony to possibly supply the Sakura amps and do the modifications to ease the process in both the purchase and the handling.
I think a modified Sakura tube amp would still be cheaper and a bit stronger than a Dared MP5, but the only thing to consider in a MP5 is its USB Burr Brown DAC - that is if you really need it.
Anthony already has a demo/EB room which he is currently fixing up - last i heard he might hold his b-day EB at the end of the month ;)
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hehe pag nag kataon dami trabaho ni anthony nyan ;)
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You can also entice anthony to possibly supply the Sakura amps and do the modifications to ease the process in both the purchase and the handling.
pwede nga buy na lang si anthony in bulk (amp + mod parts) tapos offer nya group buy ng modded sakura. compute na ng pricing master!
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pwede nga buy na lang si anthony in bulk (amp + mod parts) tapos offer nya group buy ng modded sakura. compute na ng pricing master!
A modded Sakura tube amp would be in the vicinity of 6.5k-6.8k cguro......parang NMT ;D
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tinext ko si anthny regarding sa possibility na sya na mag source at mag mod, sabi nya " pwede!"
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A modded Sakura tube amp would be in the vicinity of 6.5k-6.8k cguro......parang NMT ;D
not bad considering the modded sakura sounded better than his fisher. an good entry-level price for those who want to venture into tubes.
modded sakura + proac clone... mmmm... (drooling a la Homer simpson)
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not bad considering the modded sakura sounded better than his fisher. an good entry-level price for those who want to venture into tubes.
modded sakura + proac clone... mmmm... (drooling a la Homer simpson)
Its still subjective - which is why we are hoping if it could be compared to a Dared MP5 or an AMX hybrid that would be close to its price.
Granted, a sub-10k price for a hybrid tube amp is hard to come by - which is why this possible shootout would be exciting ;)
What I would like to know is the definite parts that would be included in the 3k modification - which parts would affect the SQ & which parts are solely for aesthetics.
Lastly, if a customer can stretch maybe 1-3k more on the mods - what else could be modified?
Baka mmya kaha nalang ang matira :D ;D
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this is going to be a great battle. don't forget to try the fisher which was the initial challenger.
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What I would like to know is the definite parts that would be included in the 3k modification - which parts would affect the SQ & which parts are solely for aesthetics.
Lastly, if a customer can stretch maybe 1-3k more on the mods - what else could be modified?
Baka mmya kaha nalang ang matira :D ;D
This will be working blind without a definitive circuit analysis or a schematic at least. Suntok sa buwan sa tagalog so better wise up and study it first to make a more meaningful modification strategy.
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this is going to be a great battle. don't forget to try the fisher which was the initial challenger.
......and I'm sure the attendees would be honored if you could be part of this shootout to share your knowledge & expertise. ;D
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......and I'm sure the attendees would be honored if you could be part of this shootout to share your knowledge & expertise. ;D
+1 dito. iba pag nagsama si master at si diy_master. ;D
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......and I'm sure the attendees would be honored if you could be part of this shootout to share your knowledge & expertise. ;D
I would love to but this would make the budget conscious aficionados rather nervous especially with a lot of recommended changes in the amp.
On another note, it still bothers me if the stock Sakura beat the Fisher or was it the modded Sakura that did... ::)
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......and I'm sure the attendees would be honored if you could be part of this shootout to share your knowledge & expertise. ;D
i will be deeply honored. ( pressure) ;D
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+1 dito. iba pag nagsama si master at si diy_master. ;D
would love to be an audience sir...
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i will be deeply honored. ( pressure) ;D
;D ;D ;D
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I would love to but this would make the budget conscious aficionados rather nervous especially with a lot of recommended changes in the amp.
On another note, it still bothers me if the stock Sakura beat the Fisher or was it the modded Sakura that did... ::)
We are not worthy - hahahahaha. :D ;D
Bring your aikido para isama na sa shootout ;D
Not the stock Sakura but the modded one made him realize that it was better than his Fisher ;)
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We are not worthy - hahahahaha. :D ;D
Bring your aikido para isama na sa shootout ;D
Not the stock Sakura but the modded one made him realize that it was better than his Fisher ;)
yung hybrid gainclone na rin. hehehe :)
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We are not worthy - hahahahaha. :D ;D
Bring your aikido para isama na sa shootout ;D
Not the stock Sakura but the modded one made him realize that it was better than his Fisher ;)
For the sake of science hahaha...
Can't do that, Aikido is a tube preamp, the shootout is about integrated hybrids... ;)
What if I modify his Fisher? I once inherited a Fisher that served me well through grade school and late high school. ;D ;D ;D
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yung hybrid gainclone na rin. hehehe :)
gusto ko yan... ;)
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May magdadala kaya ng modded Sakura hybrid next month sa HiFi Show? ;D
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yung hybrid gainclone na rin. hehehe :)
Hahahaha - Teka, diba ginawan ka ni master jojod ng integrated hybrid - dalhin mo! ;D
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Schedule na ng shootout.... kelan ba?
basta dapat weekend ha...para masaya!..
saka baka meron dyan miniature t-amp...tutal nabubulsa naman....singit na natin yan...baka nga maganda...eh di mapag ipunan din....makapag sideline muna sa GH, bukas kotse
Sir Anthony.....where are you?
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Hey Anthony,
care to share the exact model of the stock tubes of this amp, i'll ask my cousin ruel felix if he's familiar with the tubes and he might do some mods on this amp also when i get one ;)
...and if possible, can you list down also the stock components of this amp like caps, trany, etc para malaman nya kung anong tweaks ang gagawin nya sa sakua na 'to ;D
TIA Master :)
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Palagay ko kailangan talaga ng shoot-out, based on what i've read from Topic: Sakura Ampifiers For Sale
Marami talagang interesado dito.
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Eto yung pics nung Sakura or Sakua sa Raon:
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/sakura.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260007.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260006.jpg)
Eto naman yung posted pics sa pdvd marketplace:
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2v2zko4.jpg)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/96gu2r.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/i1ct94.jpg)
Same make, different colors, and may tatak lang yung isa, probably isa lang siguro manufacturer nito. So meron din palang mga amps na katulad nung mga made-in-China products sa CDR King, generic yung pagkagawa tapos nilalagyan lang ng tatak ng iba't-ibang companies? In this case, tinatakan ng Sakura or Sakua.
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Mas gusto ko na yung walang tatak na nakasulat ;D
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siguro eto best answer >>>
rebranded ng sakura yan, halata naman dun sa sakua dba :)
Dami sa shenzhen nyan. BTW, boss anthony mas ok ba sya compare sa mga lm chips? since class ab sya?
Eto oh mas makatotohanan sa itsura pero mas nakakaaning yung presyo kung hindi iisipin ang mga kurakot sa tax :)
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-37792f881ef1f37ec3087eaad68087a1.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-dd2fed1310cd69c6e7d736f232c8199f.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-faacb0b4c161415118639e6712c530f5.htm
Magsawa ka :)
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ang dami ah :o. pwede ba umorder dyan?
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me nakasubok na bang paganahin yung amp ng hindi nakakabit yung 2 malaking tubes? curious lang... ;D
per diy-master, di raw gumagana, ano ibig sabihon nun?
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per diy-master, di raw gumagana, ano ibig sabihon nun?
hindi gumagana yung amp pag hindi nakakabit yung 2 tubo
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hindi gumagana yung 2 tubo as in, walang silbi, palamuti lang?
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Hahahaha - Teka, diba ginawan ka ni master jojod ng integrated hybrid - dalhin mo! ;D
That I would love to hear na shootout. The unmodified and modified Sakura and the hybrid from sir jojo. BTW, gumagana ba talaga apat na tubo ng sakura o preamp section lang ? o gumagana pa din kahit tanggalin mo lahat ng tubes ?
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me nakasubok na bang paganahin yung amp ng hindi nakakabit yung 2 malaking tubes? curious lang... ;D
I asked diy_master this qoute, and his answer is hindi gumagana amp pag hindi nakakabit ang ang 2 malaking tubo...
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kung palamuti lang yung apat na tubo? uurong ako sa group buy...
bibili na lang ako ng parol ...umiikot pa yung mga ilaw he he he
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kung palamuti lang yung apat na tubo? uurong ako sa group buy...
bibili na lang ako ng parol ...umiikot pa yung mga ilaw he he he
haha !! ;D gumagana daw sir sabi sa ibang post. ;D
hindi kaya rebrand ito ng Menq at Yaqin...
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i doubt kung palamuti lang yan.
i hope the maker/s won't resort to that thing.
im sure my ckt function ung tubes na tinutukoy nyo.
hindi naman cguro ganun ka ogags mga gumawa nyan at ganun kababa ang tingin sa consumers.
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i doubt kung palamuti lang yan.
i hope the maker/s won't resort to that thing.
im sure my ckt function ung tubes na tinutukoy nyo.
hindi naman cguro ganun ka ogags mga gumawa nyan at ganun kababa ang tingin sa consumers.
i second the motion ;)
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baka mura lang yung tube at walang demand
At para maganda itsura as if you use one tube, then mukhang konti lang ang tubes...
yung 6922 na tube kasi pwede sa mababang plate volts, so bakit kailangan yung 2 malalaking rectifier tubes? ;D
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teka teka, parang nagugulumihanan ako a ???
kahit tanggalin ang 2 malalaking tubo at gumagana pa rin, meaning useless?
magkaiba kaya ang sq ng meron at walang 2 tubes? kung same lang aba e bling-bling nga lang talaga yun noh?
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iba talaga kapag mass production. kung meron din sanang pinoy DIY na ganitong price kahit ako na lang ang magbibihis as long as materiales fuertes, ayos!
di naman kaya habang nageenjoy ka ng music e bigla na lang mangamoy itong sakura?
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I asked diy_master this qoute, and his answer is hindi gumagana amp pag hindi nakakabit ang ang 2 malaking tubo...
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Ang presyohan daw sa Raon ay Php 3.7K+ according to the thread sa B&S section. Hmmm ::) ::)
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At magkano kaya minimum na magagastos to make it sound better and improve the quality?
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PM anthony/diy_master, he has a better price, a few hundreds of pesos cheaper than CHino, wala na sya tubo, sa tweaking na lang daw. Dali PM na! ;)
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At magkano kaya minimum na magagastos to make it sound better and improve the quality?
25w per channel lang and ang tube pre-amp section lang. Dami akong pinalitan mga 25-30 items.
magkano naman bro inabot yung pag modify mo? kung 3.5k ang base price ng unit ++++ ng modifications???
3k sir parts and labor na.
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Kung sakaling di matuloy ang group buy, dito nalang kaya tayo mag group buy?
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-37792f881ef1f37ec3087eaad68087a1.htm
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Kung sakaling di matuloy ang group buy, dito nalang kaya tayo mag group buy?
sino naman ang magpapasok dito? dadaan pa ng customs? magkano? ::)
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sino naman ang magpapasok dito? dadaan pa ng customs? magkano? ::)
Im sure may mga importer dyan na pwede magkainteres sa product na to kung may sufficient demand. Baka pag umabot ng 50 ang group buy, baka ganahan na sila. ;) baka lang ha....
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what i intend to do is get one sa quiapo, kung 3.8k pwede na yun, then pagsawaan ko muna yung stock na tunog kasi wala naman ako idea kung ano tunog ng tubo, then have it tweaked by anthony para maappreciate ko yung improvement.
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what i intend to do is get one sa quiapo, kung 3.8k pwede na yun, then pagsawaan ko muna yung stock na tunog kasi wala naman ako idea kung ano tunog ng tubo, then have it tweaked by anthony para maappreciate ko yung improvement.
sugod na! kasi pag napansin ng mga shops na marami ang nagkaka-interest at bumibili baka mas mahirap mag-haggle...
expect something like 3.9 to 4.1k ang high/starting price nung iba store.
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sugod na! kasi pag napansin ng mga shops na marami ang nagkaka-interest at bumibili baka mas mahirap mag-haggle...
expect something like 3.9 to 4.1k ang high/starting price nung iba store.
san kaya ito sir sa quiapo? malapit sa mga tindhan ng ehem?
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san kaya ito sir sa quiapo? malapit sa mga tindhan ng ehem?
backread ka lang sa thread i posted exact shop. at sa hilera nun meron pa
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yung 6922 na tube kasi pwede sa mababang plate volts, so bakit kailangan yung 2 malalaking rectifier tubes? ;D
sir tony, malamang wala cla nyan, especially the NOS ones. :D
most likely ,as a visual treat and marketing come on.
like occasional diyer, we always like to exagerrate use of materials:big caps, big knobs, big chassis,exotic/snake oil components/wires,nice finish, etc...
kakabilib price pt. based on material build and looks.
bili bili na...baka marami na kumukuha behind your backs, while all of you are still discussing...
tapos na boxing.baka while supply lasts lang mga yan ;D...
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mabuti naman kung hindi palamuti yung rectifier tubes. ang tanong - pag ba minalas at nasira yung tube eh may makukuha o mabibilhan kapalit dito? ::) *hindi naman sa madaling masira pero just in case di ba?
sa modification/ upgrade - nakita naman sa previous pages na maraming pinalitan si sir anthony (25 parts yata). ganun ba karami ang dapat palitan para tumunog ng mas maganda kesa fisher tube amp ang sakura?
premium/ boutique parts ba o raon parts din? kasi kung premium as in mundorf, auricap, nichicons rikken etc malaman, mas mahal pa sa stock amp ang gastos.
da best eh pakiusapan si sir anthony na ipost ang costing o maski essential parts na kailangan iupgrade. (sana di trade secret ;D ) peace p0 :)
bili-bili na! sige maunahan kayo ni sir kulapong! ;D
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rectifier lang daw yung dalawang malaking tubo.
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what i intend to do is get one sa quiapo, kung 3.8k pwede na yun, then pagsawaan ko muna yung stock na tunog kasi wala naman ako idea kung ano tunog ng tubo, then have it tweaked by anthony para maappreciate ko yung improvement.
wag ng magpatumpik-tumpik pa pre! ;D pero tingin ko di to matutuloy eh hehe, feeling ko lang.
;D
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i doubt kung palamuti lang yan.
i hope the maker/s won't resort to that thing.
im sure my ckt function ung tubes na tinutukoy nyo.
sir dana with all due respect (share ko lang sir ha :)), meron po nangyayari na ganyan.
examples that i've seen so far, a tube buffer that only uses the tube's heater as a mosfet's current source (hence it should be called a mosfet buffer), a tube rectifier that doesn't even rectify but likewise glows. an avr with the center and rear channels at 1/5th the power of the fronts. a tube amp with ss tone controls that can't swing enough output voltage to drive the next tube stage. so for whatever reason, it happens.
as for the av200 and looking at the pics only, those two small signal tubes should be (at the very least) a cathode follower which would make it an input buffer. it could very well be a plate follower but with the cap values (from the posted pics) having 35V it's possible yes but foolish to operate a tube at that plate voltage at the very least.
kaya nga ganyan ka-skeptical si Tony. ;D
hindi naman cguro ganun ka ogags mga gumawa nyan at ganun kababa ang tingin sa consumers.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260003.jpg)
PMPO daw po yun 200W+200W pero look at the THD, at less than 0.5% pa yun ha. PMPO at less than 10% total harmonic distortion would be a milestone in modern day electronics.
saludo ako sa nag test niyan.
kung me schematics man lang sana, madali yan madetermina...pero talagang mura sya in fairness.... ;D
malabo daw yun schematics na ilabas sir. live subject and old school reverse eng'g na lang.
hindi ko kayang gawin yan with that looks at that price..... ;)
hard to beat talaga, even the pure ss amps nila gaganda pa ng case, heatsink. naka toroid pa yun. ;D
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I have seen this amp in an electronics shop somewhere in Binan and was selling for 5k
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me magandang chassis pa ako.... ;D
nadale mo sir tonyT! chassis nga ang balak ko kunin dito kung sakaling di maganda o mas mahal pa ipa-upgrade. parang gusto ko tuloy kumain ng relyenong bangus. ;D ;D ;D
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Sirs based on the supplier info, note po that this is info before Sakura branding:
35W per channel x 2
Frequency response: 20Hz-20KHz plus or minus 2db
Consumes 120w
Approximately 35cm long, by 25 cm width, and height of 19cm.
Weighs approximately 7 kilos daw.
Please note that these specs are unofficial.
Thanks. I'll post additional pics later.
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Some of the pics ng AV 200T
AV 200t with Focal Speakers
(http://i34.tinypic.com/3h1xv.jpg)
AV200t with Bose 301
(http://i33.tinypic.com/mh60bd.jpg)
AV200t with Sansui
(http://i36.tinypic.com/4q1n4o.jpg)
AV200t with Avance
(http://i34.tinypic.com/jza0ls.jpg)
I also saw some pics of some of the future models like this one:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ldk1ts.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/aaub5u.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/5wk19l.jpg)
AV-300T? Let's wait and see.
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hehe sarap siguro magbisyo ng ganyan sa china, yung iba dun may kasama ng dac super affordable parin. chk chk
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@jojo,
hindi lang tayo kasi sanay makakita ng ampli na may dalawang rectifiers na tulad nito, but then as i have said, the price of this amp is really hard to beat. ;D
i might buy one myself if only to satisfy my curiosity....pwede naman kasing i convert ito sa pure tube amp....me magandang chassis pa ako.... ;D
totoo yan Tony, yun mga na repair ko na mono tube amp na pang combo may dalawang tube rectifier kasi apat na 6l6 yun output tube. for a hybrid amp di lang talaga tayo sanay. ;D
the one sold by chino is the black one yata? and for me mas elegant yun black kaysa yun parang kahoy but it's aesthetics, hence, subjective matter. wag mo na gawing all tube ;D, taasan mo na lang yun biasing nun opt device para bumaba naman yun crossover distortion at low volumes and change the heatsink with a bigger one ok na.
I have seen this amp in an electronics shop somewhere in Binan and was selling for 5k
chino here is selling it way way cheaper than that... ;)
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JojoD, thanks for sharing that info, firsthand info based on your tinkerings with these kind of toys.
I still believe in the goodness of man :D, not to resort to this kind of trickery. Sakura, already an established brand locally competing with Konzert amps would do better in performing an IQC before accepting this as a possible OEM product, I believe. The specs provided with these have always been inaccurate, im sure ,if you would perform a comprehensive laboratory measurements based on known Audio test standards.
How about the two big tubes behind acting as single diode (?), 2 can make you a full wave ckt.
Anyways, tubes connected with heaters only is a visual delight this Yuletide Season ;D. ;D ;D
As for the PMPO thing, this is a usual marketing gimmick then, especially employed during the peak of the Karaoke days (and until now).For all we know, dibay dibay lang ng certain factor, as per manufacturer's wishes. Could be dibay dibay by a factor of 20, 10 (?),usually, and also in this case.Thus 200WPMP0/ch as claimed, could just be 10W or 20W at 10% THD, in this particular case.
As for the tube replacements, pray ;D. Likewise, tube longevity is never a question, unless operated outside of its known parameters.I get old console tube amps (60"s), still with their original tubes and still working fine and yet to be replaced.
Para matapos na ang mga katanungan, sa mga nakabili na , baka gusto nyo buksan & take pictures so everybody here can do post mortem analysis and have idea ...kung mumurahin or pupurihin ;D ;D ;D
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I also saw some pics of some of the future models like this one:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ldk1ts.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/aaub5u.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/5wk19l.jpg)
AV-300T? Let's wait and see.
the sleeping giant is wide awake and the dragon's glowing tubes ;D
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(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ldk1ts.jpg)
AV-300T? Let's wait and see.
parang logo ng bada yun ah ;D
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JojoD, thanks for sharing that info, firsthand info based on your tinkerings with these kind of toys.
I still believe in the goodness of man :D, not to resort to this kind of trickery. Sakura, already an established brand locally competing with Konzert amps would do better in performing an IQC before accepting this as a possible OEM product, I believe. The specs provided with these have always been inaccurate, im sure ,if you would perform a comprehensive laboratory measurements based on known Audio test standards.
How about the two big tubes behind acting as single diode (?), 2 can make you a full wave ckt.
Anyways, tubes connected with heaters only is a visual delight this Yuletide Season ;D. ;D ;D
As for the PMPO thing, this is a usual marketing gimmick then, especially employed during the peak of the Karaoke days (and until now).For all we know, dibay dibay lang ng certain factor, as per manufacturer's wishes. Could be dibay dibay by a factor of 20, 10 (?),usually, and also in this case.Thus 200WPMP0/ch as claimed, could just be 10W or 20W at 10% THD, in this particular case.
As for the tube replacements, pray ;D. Likewise, tube longevity is never a question, unless operated outside of its known parameters.I get old console tube amps (60"s), still with their original tubes and still working fine and yet to be replaced.
Para matapos na ang mga katanungan, sa mga nakabili na , baka gusto nyo buksan & take pictures so everybody here can do post mortem analysis and have idea ...kung mumurahin or pupurihin ;D ;D ;D
I agree, I've also got the chance to do work on several Eico relics with their original tubes labeled "Mullard for Eico" still working and tested good.
Di naman po mumurahin (bad yun sir ;D), maayos naman po yan, but let's just all be realistic lang. :)
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shootout...shootout...sagot ko na yung unmodified!!
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san kaya ito sir sa quiapo? malapit sa mga tindhan ng ehem?
Sir Anchit,
dun sa tulay...isa lang naman yata yun..pagtawid mo..raon na yun di ba....lakad ka lang ng konti...sa right side..Rald Allied...naka display naman sa labas..medyo sisipatin mo nga lang..nasa itaas yung karton....then pagpasok mo sa loob..meron demo unit....nasa istante..
u can get it at 3.8k....pero baka kung medyo maboka ka..baka makuha mo pa ng lesser...
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Sir Anchit,
dun sa tulay...isa lang naman yata yun..pagtawid mo..raon na yun di ba....lakad ka lang ng konti...sa right side..Rald Allied...naka display naman sa labas..medyo sisipatin mo nga lang..nasa itaas yung karton....then pagpasok mo sa loob..meron demo unit....nasa istante..
u can get it at 3.8k....pero baka kung medyo maboka ka..baka makuha mo pa ng lesser...
sirs,
i posted the details a few pages back. dun ka pala nakabili 3.5k tawad ko hehehe ! ;D
nasaan na pic nung loob kahon sa likod ng malaking tubes?
shootout...shootout...sagot ko na yung unmodified!!
mukang wala gusto tumapat sa stock sakura mo ah! sa hifi show kabila dalhin! ;D
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sirs,
i posted the details a few pages back. dun ka pala nakabili 3.5k tawad ko hehehe ! ;D
nasaan na pic nung loob kahon sa likod ng malaking tubes?
mukang wala gusto tumapat sa stock sakura mo ah! sa hifi show kabila dalhin! ;D
dapat pala Sir...sumabay na ko sau nung nakatawad ka ng 3.5k,...nung pumunta nga ko...naka short at tsinelas na lang nga ako eh....paawa effect..kaso sabi sa akin..baka daw tumaas pa..baka maging 4.1k....he he
bakit kaya walang gustong lumaban sa 3.8k na sakura.....hmmm..kinakabahan yata cla he he...
btw, sa totoo lang...hindi ko masabi kung maganda nga talaga..dahil first timer lang nga ako sa tube...
pero when i compare it to my Denon 1907 na SS na worth 28k..... lumalaban sa ganda ng tunog...
pinakanta nya ang 602 s3 ko....
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dapat pala Sir...sumabay na ko sau nung nakatawad ka ng 3.5k,...nung pumunta nga ko...naka short at tsinelas na lang nga ako eh....paawa effect..kaso sabi sa akin..baka daw tumaas pa..baka maging 4.1k....he he
bakit kaya walang gustong lumaban sa 3.8k na sakura.....hmmm..kinakabahan yata cla he he...
btw, sa totoo lang...hindi ko masabi kung maganda nga talaga..dahil first timer lang nga ako sa tube...
pero when i compare it to my Denon 1907 na SS na worth 28k..... lumalaban sa ganda ng tunog...
pinakanta nya ang 602 s3 ko....
tawad lang naman yung 3.5k hehehe
sa pagkakaalam ko tube rectified hybrid ang sakura. preamp tube/power SS. basta maganda tunog ayos!
mas gaganda pa yan pag mag-tube rolling ka ng preamp tubes. at ipamodify mo kay sir anthony. palagyan mo ng mundorf cap sa signal path.
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mga kapanalig sa audio,
cno sa inyo ang nakakuha na at medyo malapit lan sa QC?
bka pede marinig at ma QC na rin :D
tamang tama, mukhang long weekends ahead.
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way to go brod arnel.... parinig naman nyan ;D ;D ;D
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sa mga nakabile na at hindi nagustuhan ang sounds, willing akong kuhanin at cost, just pm me..... ;D
Same here ;D
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since naunahan ako ni brother Anchit, at malabong pakakawalan pa nya yung offer ni Anthony, i have decided na bumili na lang yesterday. Natawaran ko ng 3.6k. i'll check the receipt later para sa name nung store, para don sa mga interested pang bumili. Aside from the fact na pogi talaga yung unit, mukhang decent naman yung quality. Though yung point of comparison ko lang e yung current setup ko na AMX tube preamp and bada poweramp. Pagsawaan ko muna, later ko na ipa-mod kay Anthony.
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since naunahan ako ni brother Anchit, at malabong pakakawalan pa nya yung offer ni Anthony, i have decided na bumili na lang yesterday. Natawaran ko ng 3.6k. i'll check the receipt later para sa name nung store, para don sa mga interested pang bumili. Aside from the fact na pogi talaga yung unit, mukhang decent naman yung quality. Though yung point of comparison ko lang e yung current setup ko na AMX tube preamp and bada poweramp. Pagsawaan ko muna, later ko na ipa-mod kay Anthony.
Congrats pre, ako nagda-dalawang isip pa rin hanggang ngayon, pero pa-pm na lang din sa akin nung pangalan ng store at exact place ha. Thanks :)
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since naunahan ako ni brother Anchit, at malabong pakakawalan pa nya yung offer ni Anthony, i have decided na bumili na lang yesterday. Natawaran ko ng 3.6k. i'll check the receipt later para sa name nung store, para don sa mga interested pang bumili. Aside from the fact na pogi talaga yung unit, mukhang decent naman yung quality. Though yung point of comparison ko lang e yung current setup ko na AMX tube preamp and bada poweramp. Pagsawaan ko muna, later ko na ipa-mod kay Anthony.
pre madami yun nakay anthony. ;D
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Congrats pre, ako nagda-dalawang isip pa rin hanggang ngayon, pero pa-pm na lang din sa akin nung pangalan ng store at exact place ha. Thanks :)
sure!! ikaw pa, malakas ka sakin e.. ;D
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pakipost na lang name ng store :)
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pre madami yun nakay anthony. ;D
waaaa seyeng nemen!!! ;D
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Congrats pre, ako nagda-dalawang isip pa rin hanggang ngayon, pero pa-pm na lang din sa akin nung pangalan ng store at exact place ha. Thanks :)
Bro,
Huwag ka ng mag dalawang isip... kumuha ka na rin.. ;D
ako nga rin eh... na te-tempt na kumuha din ;)
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waaaa seyeng nemen!!! ;D
friday deliery ng sakin. ;D kaso wala pa ako CDP, dvdp muna gagamitin ko. :( langya, psp dapat bibilin ko eh.
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way to go brod arnel.... parinig naman nyan ;D ;D ;D
He he he...pwede Sir Tarsi..
or pwede rin sa shootout....sana marami magdala para beng bengan talaga...
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Dami na talaga nag kaka-interes ah..... pag nalaman 'to ng mga taga Raon.. malamang tataas ang SRP nito...
By the way don't know kung nasagot na 'to.... are the stock tubes replaceable ?
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(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ldk1ts.jpg)
Ganda nito ah. Ano kaya yung nasa likod nung 6922, apat na EL34 ?
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Ganda nito ah. Ano kaya yung nasa likod nung 6922, apat na EL34 ?
small signal tubes must be in a concertina fashion but 6922 too low to drive pp opt, I bet those are 12ax7 variants... ;)
6BQ5/EL84.... ;D
x2, too slim for EL34 sir. ;D
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25watts si sakura right? gano kalakas ang 25w? ;D
naka impluwnesya na naman ako dito sa office na 2 officemates, will drive a 92 and 90db b&w, so should be easy for sakura no? thanks!
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25watts si sakura right? gano kalakas ang 25w? ;D
naka impluwnesya na naman ako dito sa office na 2 officemates, will drive a 92 and 90db b&w, so should be easy for sakura no? thanks!
for the 90 dB/w-m speaker for the 92 dB/w-m speaker
watts dB @ 1 meter dB @ 1 meter
0.25 84 86
0.5 87 89
1 90 92
2 93 95
20 103 105
25 104 106
OSHA’s Permissible Noise Exposure
90 dB 8.0 hours
92 dB 6.0 hours
95 dB 4.0 hours
97 dB 3.0 hours
100 dB 2.0 hours
102 dB 1.5 hours
105 dB 1.0 hour
110 dB 30 minutes
115 dB 15 minutes
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iba talaga kapag mass production. kung meron din sanang pinoy DIY na ganitong price kahit ako na lang ang magbibihis as long as materiales fuertes, ayos!
di naman kaya habang nageenjoy ka ng music e bigla na lang mangamoy itong sakura?
So far soo good, been using for almost 2 months now.
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for the 90 dB/w-m speaker for the 92 dB/w-m speaker
watts dB @ 1 meter dB @ 1 meter
0.25 84 86
0.5 87 89
1 90 92
2 93 95
20 103 105
25 104 106
OSHA’s Permissible Noise Exposure
90 dB 8.0 hours
92 dB 6.0 hours
95 dB 4.0 hours
97 dB 3.0 hours
100 dB 2.0 hours
102 dB 1.5 hours
105 dB 1.0 hour
110 dB 30 minutes
115 dB 15 minutes
hehe so is it a Yes? ;D sorry wala pa gano alam. :-[
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hehe so is it a Yes? ;D sorry wala pa gano alam. :-[
Kayang-kaya yun pre, imo :)
imagine a dared mp5 na 13 watter per channel can drive a wharf 9.1 with only 86db sensitivity, yan pa kaya na 90db and above using a 25 watts per channel na amp? ;)
nagbebenta na naman ako ng gamit para may pondo, hahaha bawas gear, speaker and nmt :P
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pakipost na lang name ng store :)
as promised, eto yung name nung store:
Summitron Lights & Sounds Inc
Along Raon main road lang. Mas malapit sya sa side nung LRT. If coming from that side, nasa KANAN yung store..
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as promised, eto yung name nung store:
Summitron Lights & Sounds Inc
Along Raon main road lang. Mas malapit sya sa side nung LRT. If coming from that side, nasa KANAN yung store..
Uy alam ko yan, may nabili na ako dati sa kanila, di ko lang matandaan kung dvd player o amp din, hehehe ;D
thanks pre ;)
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Kayang-kaya yun pre, imo :)
imagine a dared mp5 na 13 watter per channel can drive a wharf 9.1 with only 86db sensitivity, yan pa kaya na 90db and above using a 25 watts per channel na amp? ;)
nagbebenta na naman ako ng gamit para may pondo, hahaha bawas gear, speaker and nmt :P
haha salamat! CD player na lang tatakbo na! ;)
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ako pera nalang at tatakbo na :) haha
papuntang raon malamang..
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haha salamat! CD player na lang tatakbo na! ;)
congrats bro! ;D may dedicated audio set-up ka na!
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congrats bro! ;D may dedicated audio set-up ka na!
hehe excited na nga ako eh, dvdp muna gagamitin ko pansamantagal. ;D
i have an extra sub, and intend to use it for audio. hindi mahirap magtimpla? or better pa din 2.0 instead na 2.1?
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pwede kaya ito gamitin for videoke?
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or better pa din 2.0 instead na 2.1?
mag 2.1 ka na bro. may sub-out naman ung amp. :D
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Humaba na pala ang thread na sinimulan ko hehehe!!
Naisip ko tuloy ibenta ang AMX EL84 ko
sa mga interesado PM me
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hehe excited na nga ako eh, dvdp muna gagamitin ko pansamantagal. ;D
i have an extra sub, and intend to use it for audio. hindi mahirap magtimpla? or better pa din 2.0 instead na 2.1?
Ako pareho din ni t68kv, pera na lang tatakbo na, hahaha ;D
use of subwoofer will depend on the songs you preferred... if its rock/alternative, i think you'll going to need that pre, but for easy listening, i prefer 2.0 stereo... well, that's my opinion, ikaw pa rin ang masusunod in the end ;)
cheers,
reynold
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12AT7 fits nicely don't you think? ;D
(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/thetubestore_2075_73776474)
12AT7
Nung araw, naalala ko pag nasira ang tube amp ko ang mahal ng piyesa.
Ngayon, mura na daw ang tube at mas matibay pa.
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Ako pareho din ni t68kv, pera na lang tatakbo na, hahaha ;D
use of subwoofer will depend on the songs you preferred... if its rock/alternative, i think you'll going to need that pre, but for easy listening, i prefer 2.0 stereo... well, that's my opinion, ikaw pa rin ang masusunod in the end ;)
cheers,
reynold
bumili ka na kasi!!! hahaha ;D
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bumili ka na kasi!!! hahaha ;D
PAUTANG!!! hahahaha ;D
...sana may mag-regalo sa akin nito sa pasko, sana... :)
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12AT7 fits nicely don't you think? ;D
That would do nicely. 8)
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ahhh.. di ko na kaya. im so curious to try tubes but the price turns me off a bit. after lurking at "tubes" section for the longest time, try ko nga to.. mura lang e. :)
OT: until what time ba open stores sa raon? sorry di ako familiar dun e, havent been there in years. safe pa ba mag shop dun say, 7pm?
gusto ko sana patulan yung offer ni sir anthony for the upgraded sakura. but i thought i should hear the stock first and be familiar with it so i'll know to what extent it has improved.. pag bitin, buy a better tube amp :)
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ehem... Hehe 1:30am na, di pa din ako makatulog.ü
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ehem... Hehe 1:30am na, di pa din ako makatulog.ü
parang ganyan ka rin nung nakuha mo yung clones ;D
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OT: until what time ba open stores sa raon? sorry di ako familiar dun e, havent been there in years. safe pa ba mag shop dun say, 7pm?
nakow wala na halos open pag 7pm.
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even at 6:30 medyo hangos ka na nyan. sa dami ng iikutan mo pagbalik mo sa una mong pinuntahan maaring sarado na.
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nakow wala na halos open pag 7pm.
i got mine last sunday at around 7pm. But, most of the shops sarado na by that time. dapat before 6 andon ka na para sure
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@markcrenz, praktikal, ledrahc thanks for the tip in going to raon. sayang, bibili sana ko mamaya pero baka late na ko makadating don. next time na lang siguro... oh well, antayin ko na lang muna result ng tube shootout kila sir Anthony baka may useful information na makuha dun.
also, to avoid going around in circles. i plan to go straight to a single store since i dont think price will vary greatly. 3800 Php is the going rate, right? which store would you recommend as the most reliable?
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@markcrenz, praktikal, ledrahc thanks for the tip in going to raon. sayang, bibili sana ko mamaya pero baka late na ko makadating don. next time na lang siguro... oh well, antayin ko na lang muna result ng tube shootout kila sir Anthony baka may useful information na makuha dun.
also, to avoid going around in circles. i plan to go straight to a single store since i dont think price will vary greatly. 3800 Php is the going rate, right? which store would you recommend as the most reliable?
you're welcome. tama ang desisyon mo, intay ka nalang muna. or kung pupunta ka kina anthony e magdala ka na ng pera at baka may bitbit ka na pauwi hehe, sayang ang long weekend.
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3.5k sa JEMS kanto ng raon at evangelista
SAKUA pa rin ang print sa likod
mukang mas mabigat kesa sa dati ko nakita. at kita sa likod ang torroidal traffo ;D
yung rectifier tubes baka meron daw si mang gerry RCA. yung signal at filter/coupling caps, baka meron din sabihin nyo lang ang values. post ko pag confirmed na.
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pwede naman gamitin sa undas mamaya at bukas. tas gawing xmas lights ?! ;D
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>>> unless may nagkwento sa kanila na taga dito <<<
3.5k sa JEMS kanto ng raon at evangelista
SAKUA pa rin ang print sa likod
mukang mas mabigat kesa sa dati ko nakita. at kita sa likod ang torroidal traffo ;D
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sa price na around 3700, very tempting subukan mag passive bi-amp :)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00448.jpg)
pic borrowed from sir diymaster ;)
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sa wakas, nagkaroon din, di ko muna papa-modify... pagsasawaan ko muna ang tunog ng stock unit, panalo naman tunog sa presyo e ;)
Gwapong-gwapo pa lalo na kapag patay ang ilaw at nakabukas ang amp ;)
(http://www.sakura.com.ph/images/products/orig/av200t_copy.jpg)
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congrats reynold, me abutan pa kaya ako na ganyan by end novbember? ;D
Thanks Sir Tony, malamang meron pa nun, dumadami na daw ang nagtatanong sa kanila about this amp ;)
...yun lang, baka dahil sa pagtaas ng demand, magtaas din sila ng presyo... wag naman sana...
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....dumadami na daw ang nagtatanong sa kanila about this amp ;)
malamang, mga kampon ng pdvd yun!
nakikiramdam lang ang iba or yung iba naman, sumugod at bili agad. ;D
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malamang, mga kampon ng pdvd yun!
nakikiramdam lang ang iba or yung iba naman, sumugod at bili agad. ;D
Mismo ;D
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Just want to share some pics of my Sakura AV-200T in action ;)
celphone cam shots in a semi-dark and totally dark room...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x120/reynoldlazaro/DSC00747.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x120/reynoldlazaro/DSC00761.jpg)
Gwapo!!! ;)
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Just want to share some pics of my Sakura AV-200T in action ;)
celphone cam shots in a semi-dark and totally dark room...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x120/reynoldlazaro/DSC00747.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x120/reynoldlazaro/DSC00761.jpg)
Gwapo!!! ;)
Mismo sir. gwapo nga lalo sa dilim.
Kamusta naman tunog ng stock Sakua components?
;)
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a friend just lurking around called me up last night to let me know that he just bought a unit.
just want to share his views about this amp, ganda nga daw ang looks and sound.
invited me over to have a listen.
for the price of P3.5~4k,depending on how good you haggle, san ka pa ;D ;D ;D...
another friend just received some moolah and also contemplating to buy himself an audio toy :D
unahan na lan, sana may matira pa para sa iba jan :D
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(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x120/reynoldlazaro/DSC00761.jpg)
pwede rin pala syang mood light. :D
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sa mga nakabili na, ask ko lang....
i saw na meron syang fan sa likod, does it work continuously or intermittently?
intermittently : meaning, volume dependent ba sya, umaandar pag nilakasan?
also, gagana ba sya kung mainit na ang amp or what?
also, hi rpm ba ung fan at maingay?
thanks sa mag rereply :)
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sa mga nakabili na, ask ko lang....
i saw na meron syang fan sa likod, does it work continuously or intermittently?
intermittently : meaning, volume dependent ba sya, umaandar pag nilakasan?
also, gagana ba sya kung mainit na ang amp or what?
also, hi rpm ba ung fan at maingay?
thanks sa mag rereply :)
+1
yan lang fan ang medyo nagpa-hesitate sakin kumuha agad. parang intel/amd kaya mag-init? at napansin ko ang liyab ng tubo, eh hindi naman power tubes. karaniwan, power tubes maliyab at di gaano ang rectifier driver,preamp tubes. siguro turbocharged, sinagad? ;D
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+1
yan lang fan ang medyo nagpa-hesitate sakin kumuha agad. parang intel/amd kaya mag-init? at napansin ko ang liyab ng tubo, eh hindi naman power tubes. karaniwan, power tubes maliyab at di gaano ang rectifier driver,preamp tubes. siguro turbocharged, sinagad? ;D
im expecting na sensing type lan ang fan operation, meaning at certain volume level lan or heat sensing naman.
pede rin,nanigurado lang sa design.otherwise, i believe pedeng deactivate kung high rpm at maingay. again, i believe low rpm rin lan sya...
hmmm, makakuha rin nga kaya at i match ko sa killer harana speakers ;D...sarap paglaruan / tweak nito.
:)
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im expecting na sensing type lan ang fan operation, meaning at certain volume level lan or heat sensing naman.
pede rin,nanigurado lang sa design.otherwise, i believe pedeng deactivate kung high rpm at maingay. again, i believe low rpm rin lan sya...
:)
hmmmmm naalala ko tuloy yung adcom gfa1a 200wpc cube power amp ko noon, may fan din
so, ok talaga *intsik gumawa kung heat-sensing fan, tas torroidal tranny pa. bili ka na para magkaalaman na! ;D
*nakakabilib na @3.5kphp, nilagyan pa ng fan. (sigurado mura lang sa tsina yan)
kung sa pinoy - o eto tapwe, bili ka na lang ng pamaypay pag nag-init ;D
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hmmm, makakuha rin nga kaya at i match ko sa killer harana speakers ;D...sarap paglaruan / tweak nito.
:)
Same thoughts Dana ;D
After enjoying last weekend's HiFi show in which a Dared MP5 playing in the Harana room made me think that this Sakura could possibly do the same job at less money ;)
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sa mga nakabili na, ask ko lang....
i saw na meron syang fan sa likod, does it work continuously or intermittently?
intermittently : meaning, volume dependent ba sya, umaandar pag nilakasan?
also, gagana ba sya kung mainit na ang amp or what?
also, hi rpm ba ung fan at maingay?
thanks sa mag rereply :)
i think continuos sya. pero super quiet naman nya eh.
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Pasensya na po noobie lang po ako sa pdvd...plan ko po bumili nitong 200T, magandang po bang i-combo ito with Crown BF-646A Floorstander speaker...200w 96dB po sya...
tia po
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Pasensya na po noobie lang po ako sa pdvd...plan ko po bumili nitong 200T, magandang po bang i-combo ito with Crown BF-646A Floorstander speaker...200w 96dB po sya...
tia po
It can and it will ;)
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Yes!!!Makakapagstart na din ako ng HT setup ko sa bahay...namimili kasi ako between 200T or sakura 5023. A little more advice Sir kung wise move kung 200t ang kukunin ko po
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Yes!!!Makakapagstart na din ako ng HT setup ko sa bahay...namimili kasi ako between 200T or sakura 5023. A little more advice Sir kung wise move kung 200t ang kukunin ko po
You cannot use the 200T for your HT bro, 2-channel lang sya... this tube amp is good for stereo listening only sir :)
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You mean Sir wala syang audio in? coconnect ko po yung audio from my PC thru my soundcard.
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You mean Sir wala syang audio in? coconnect ko po yung audio from my PC thru my soundcard.
madami, aux, dvd, cd and sub. pero 2.1 lang at most ang mapapalabas mo sa kanya.
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A okay lang po mga Bossing kasi nagsstart pa lang naman po ako sa ganitong hobby...fulfilled naman po ako sa sound ng 2.0...I will buy this monster end of this month...
tnx po
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A okay lang po mga Bossing kasi nagsstart pa lang naman po ako sa ganitong hobby...fulfilled naman po ako sa sound ng 2.0...I will buy this monster end of this month...
tnx po
parang higher maintenance ang tube sir ha.
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A okay lang po mga Bossing kasi nagsstart pa lang naman po ako sa ganitong hobby...fulfilled naman po ako sa sound ng 2.0...I will buy this monster end of this month...
tnx po
If that's the case bro, then it's alright :)
...but be prepared for lots of upgrades in the very, very near future ;D ;D ;D
Goodluck ;)
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A okay lang po mga Bossing kasi nagsstart pa lang naman po ako sa ganitong hobby...fulfilled naman po ako sa sound ng 2.0...I will buy this monster end of this month...
tnx po
IMO better lung kukuha ka ng prewowned receiver na lang bro.
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IMO better lung kukuha ka ng prewowned receiver na lang bro.
Sir anchit ano po recommended mo na receiver? budget ko po hanggang 4k or less tapos stick lang po muna ko sa Crown BF-646A dahil yun pa lang kalampag nitong speaker na to e baka ipabarangay na ko ng mga kapitbahay ko lalo na pag mas malakas pa na speaker ang bibilhin ko siguro! Kaya nga po I consider this 200T dahil mostly gagamitin ko lang sya for watching movies and mp3s from may pc...I'm also looking at Sakura 5023 saka Sir yung 387A>okay po ba tong mga to Sir?
tia po uli
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If I were you bro I'd go for either the flagship Sakura AV 348 or Sakura 387A. You can use them for HT 5.1 and 2.1. You can choose to have 5 speakers working all at once or just 2 speakers plus a sub. This tube amp is primarily for people who listen to audio/stereo 90% of the time. Just my thoughts.
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If I were you bro I'd go for either the flagship Sakura AV 348 or Sakura 387A. You can use them for HT 5.1 and 2.1. You can choose to have 5 speakers working all at once or just 2 speakers plus a sub. This tube amp is primarily for people who listen to audio/stereo 90% of the time. Just my thoughts.
Tama si chino, this tube amp are primarily for audio. Medyo tight ang bduget na 4k even for a preowned avr. King makaipon ka pa ng extra 2k, meron ng mga 6k na preowned avr dito sa marketplace natin.ü or if the sakura avr is swak sa 4k, pwde mo siguro subukan, perhaps chino can give you a good deal.ü
Goodluck!
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@ chino&anchit
Sir maraming salamat po sa advices nyo, noted po yan ;)
Sir chino, hanap lang ako review nung av348 vs. 387A then, pag ok na lahat lalo na yung budget ;D pm po kita agad at sana po mabigyan nyo ko ng discount :D
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sa mga nakabili na, ask ko lang....
i saw na meron syang fan sa likod, does it work continuously or intermittently?
intermittently : meaning, volume dependent ba sya, umaandar pag nilakasan?
also, gagana ba sya kung mainit na ang amp or what?
also, hi rpm ba ung fan at maingay?
thanks sa mag rereply :)
Napansin ko kagabi na Volume Dependent yung fan, everytime it reaches 10 o'clock position (Volume Knob), umaandar yung fan, pero kapag hininaan mo na, namamatay sya... paulit-ulit ko tinest kanina, so i guess ganun talaga ang design ng fan nung amp :)
btw, tahimik lang yung fan kaya walang istorbo sa pakikinig ;)
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Napansin ko kagabi na Volume Dependent yung fan, everytime it reaches 10 o'clock position (Volume Knob), umaandar yung fan, pero kapag hininaan mo na, namamatay sya... paulit-ulit ko tinest kanina, so i guess ganun talaga ang design ng fan nung amp :)
btw, tahimik lang yung fan kaya walang istorbo sa pakikinig ;)
kung gayon, may nag-iinit sa loob na nangangailangan ng fan pag nilakasan ang volume...
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Sir maganda po ba SQ pag movies? kahit 2.0|2.1 setup lang po?
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Sir maganda po ba SQ pag movies? kahit 2.0|2.1 setup lang po?
Maganda ang SQ ng movie kapag 2.1 channel kung ang makikinig ay hindi pa nakakarinig ng sounds ng 5.1 sir..
Iba talaga kapag 5.1 or more ang Sound setup mo, bitin kasi ang 2.1 channel lang, you'll never go back to 2-channel sa movie kapag nasanay ka na sa 5.1 setup ;)
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may 5.1 ht ako Sir pero yung mumurahin lang nabili>nextbase HM050 nabili ko lang sa SM Applicance Ctr. Eto nga din pinag-iisipan ko. Malamang sa lakas panalo siguro itong 200T + 2xFloorstander speakers(Crown BF-646A)<pwede na sakin siguro to Sir :)
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may 5.1 ht ako Sir pero yung mumurahin lang nabili>nextbase HM050 nabili ko lang sa SM Applicance Ctr. Eto nga din pinag-iisipan ko. Malamang sa lakas panalo siguro itong 200T + 2xFloorstander speakers(Crown BF-646A)<pwede na sakin siguro to Sir :)
Kung dyan ka magiging masaya sa setup na yan sir, then it's worth it na rin :)
Happy Listening ;)
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Sir maganda po ba SQ pag movies? kahit 2.0|2.1 setup lang po?
i think as @anchit and @chino have already mentioned, using this for movie wont be advisable. even if its budget friendly, it would be more prudent to save some more for a solid state based receiver.
tandaan mo, kahit magumpisa ka sa 2.0 or 2.1, eventually you are going to try to go for the full surround and i think mid term, its better to get a receiver already so that your next upgrade is just to add speakers into your setup and hopefully ending up with 5.1. just my two cents. ;)
and i think with your budget of 4k, 500 pesos nalang and you get this sakura receiver that's a dead ringer for a hk. ;)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=103679.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=103679.0)
(http://i33.tinypic.com/33xfyg6.jpg)
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Luma na yung 5.1 ko Sir reynold...saka nabibitin ako sa kalampag. Nakita ng officemate ko na tiga audio-visual namin, advice nya etong 200T na lang daw kunin ko, kasi mura na daw kasi nung araw daw napakamahal daw ng mga t-amp.
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^Oo nga pala nasa top of the list ko yan Sir Sakura AV348
this saturday pupunta ko ng Raon para makapag-audition ng mga receivers & speakers lalo na yang 348. Mas wise nga nag mag AV348 ako...futureproof kung baga... ::)
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Luma na yung 5.1 ko Sir reynold...saka nabibitin ako sa kalampag. Nakita ng officemate ko na tiga audio-visual namin, advice nya etong 200T na lang daw kunin ko,kasi mura na daw kasi nung araw daw napakamahal daw ng mga t-amp.
sonic impact t-amp 2k lang po noon sa sm megamol daiichi
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Sir noong araw na wala pang megamol...tanda na nyun e ;D
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Sir noong araw na wala pang megamol...tanda na nyun e ;D
ah ok di ko na inabutan yun ;D ,,,2005 ko lang yata nalaman ang t-amp.
good luck sa gear search mo, yan ang pinaka-exciting sa hobby na ito ;D
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Luma na yung 5.1 ko Sir reynold...saka nabibitin ako sa kalampag. Nakita ng officemate ko na tiga audio-visual namin, advice nya etong 200T na lang daw kunin ko, kasi mura na daw kasi nung araw daw napakamahal daw ng mga t-amp.
tube amp is implied, not tripath t-amp
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tube amp is implied, not tripath t-amp
oo nga noh! tube section pala ito kaya t-amp = tube amp ;D
ano kaya ss amp? sa-surplus? o speaker stand? ::)
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without tweaks maganda na rin sq?
Balak ko gamitin sa HT 2.0 setup sana driving 90db speakers.
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without tweaks maganda na rin sq?
Balak ko gamitin sa HT 2.0 setup sana driving 90db speakers.
Yes, the SQ of this tube amp is good for its price... but as other members always advice, it's better to have a receiver for HT para ma-enjoy nyo ng husto ang mga movies ;)
but if budget is the problem, you can always start with a 2-channel or 2.1 setup for HT goooooiiingggg to 5.1 to 7.1 to 7.2 or higher, unti-unti lang at maaabot din ang mga pangarap ;D
btw, for a 90db speakers, kayang-kaya ng amp na 'to ;)
WOW, pang 1000 post ko na pala 'to, isa na akong ganap na PinoyDVD Guru :D :D :D
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congrats sir reynold for the 1000th post :o :o :o
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Yes, the SQ of this tube amp is good for its price... but as other members always advice, it's better to have a receiver for HT para ma-enjoy nyo ng husto ang mga movies ;)
but if budget is the problem, you can always start with a 2-channel or 2.1 setup for HT goooooiiingggg to 5.1 to 7.1 to 7.2 or higher, unti-unti lang at maaabot din ang mga pangarap ;D
btw, for a 90db speakers, kayang-kaya ng amp na 'to ;)
WOW, pang 1000 post ko na pala 'to, isa na akong ganap na PinoyDVD Guru :D :D :D
ayus! congrats! ;D
kita tayo minsan pre kinig natin stock at modded.=)
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sipag mo.. sabay lang tayo, naka 1000 post ka na.. hehe
Yes, the SQ of this tube amp is good for its price... but as other members always advice, it's better to have a receiver for HT para ma-enjoy nyo ng husto ang mga movies ;)
but if budget is the problem, you can always start with a 2-channel or 2.1 setup for HT goooooiiingggg to 5.1 to 7.1 to 7.2 or higher, unti-unti lang at maaabot din ang mga pangarap ;D
btw, for a 90db speakers, kayang-kaya ng amp na 'to ;)
WOW, pang 1000 post ko na pala 'to, isa na akong ganap na PinoyDVD Guru :D :D :D
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WOW, pang 1000 post ko na pala 'to, isa na akong ganap na PinoyDVD Guru :D :D :D
congrats fellow tubero! :D
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wow si Sir Reynold 1000th na mamaw ka na Sir ;D
wag po sana kayong magsasawang tumulong sa mga kagaya kong baguhan lang po dito sa pdvd...
Mabuhay po kayo Sir!!!Mabuhay po ang pdvd!!!
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Mga sir I am new sa tube, is the Sakura a great-sounding tube amp? How much and where to buy? Also, will the modicfications, stated in the earlier thread, provide a night and day difference? How much is the modification cost? Am really getting curious about the sound of tubes, tnx.
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Mga sir I am new sa tube, is the Sakura a great-sounding tube amp? How much and where to buy? Also, will the modicfications, stated in the earlier thread, provide a night and day difference? How much is the modification cost? Am really getting curious about the sound of tubes, tnx.
sir konting backread lang po. palagay ko kumpleto naman itong thread sa info. meron pa 2 thread sa marketplace/fs.
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Pre, mukhang delikado ito. Hindi ba tayo makuryente dito kase Electyonic Amplifier ang nakalagay sa face plate *lolz* :)
rebranded ng sakura yan, halata naman dun sa sakua dba :)
Dami sa shenzhen nyan. BTW, boss anthony mas ok ba sya compare sa mga lm chips? since class ab sya?
Eto oh mas makatotohanan sa itsura pero mas nakakaaning yung presyo kung hindi iisipin ang mga kurakot sa tax :)
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-37792f881ef1f37ec3087eaad68087a1.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-dd2fed1310cd69c6e7d736f232c8199f.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-faacb0b4c161415118639e6712c530f5.htm
Magsawa ka :)
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Sayang lang pera mo diyan, baka wala pang ilang buwan ay makikita na natin dito sa Buy & Sell section as For Sale na kaagad. Mas mabuti pa na magpagawa ka na lang kay Andrew S. or sa mga nag-d-DIY ng tube amps dito sa PDVD. At least sigurado kang hindi cheapo electronics ang gagamitin na components and far better sounding than those tube amps built somewhere in China, just my 2 cents. :)
Eto na yung picture ng Sakura AV-200 Amp @100wpc sa Raon.
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009001.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009.jpg)
Front Panel:
Input Selector
Power Button
Volume Control
Side Panel:
Bass Control
Treble Control
Magkaka-idea na naman ang Konzert na magkaroon ng ganito. :D :D :D
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Sayang lang pera mo diyan, baka wala pang ilang buwan ay makikita na natin dito sa Buy & Sell section as For Sale na kaagad. Mas mabuti pa na magpagawa ka na lang kay Andrew S. or sa mga nag-d-DIY ng tube amps dito sa PDVD. At least sigurado kang hindi cheapo electronics ang gagamitin na components and far better sounding than those tube amps built somewhere in China, just my 2 cents. :)
sir,
i dont own a sakura amp but may i ask exactly whats your reason for stating that "sayang lang ang pera mo diyan"? mas inferior ba ang mga parts neto kesa sa mga nabibili sa raon?
base sa post ng ibang may-ari ng sakura, mukang happy naman sila at wala pa ako nababasa o naririnig na sirain ang amp.
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I dont think it's a disposable tube amp :)
one of the factors na tiningnan ko for me to purchase this amp is the price... sa napaka-gandang pagkaka-gawa ng kaha nito ay panalo ka na agad... every electronic gears/gadget naman ay posibleng masira, ang tanong lang e kung nagagawa pa ba... in this case, i'd rather buy a cheap gear like this tube amp na pwede namang magawa at ma-modify kaysa sa napaka-mahal na tube amp na pwede ring masira at mas mahal pa kapag pinagawa... make sense? just my practical opinion... peace ;)
someone in this community once quoted...
"hindi lahat ng mura ay pangit at sirain... at hindi lahat ng mahal ay maganda at matibay..."
...in the end, it's still the users satisfaction is always important ;)
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As I have mentioned, the reason why I said na "sayang lang ang pera mo diyan" was based on the earlier posts. You will pay for the amp at how much? Around P6-7K (correct me for the pricing), will ask somebody to tweak it and cost another P3K. Not to mention the abala during the tweak.
If this is the case, then go for a much more decent amp like the one being sold by a local manufacturer of tube amps or DIYers here. I saw last time they had sold an SE El84 (15wpc) and 6L6 PP UL Class A baby amp (30wpc) at 14-16K with Nichicon and Illinois caps , PP hard wired, no PCB, Alps potentiometer and comes with Sylvania NOS signal and JJ power tubes. So comparing the Sakura Tube Amp versus the amps made by a local manufacturer here. I think ours are far better than this amp somewhere from China. Not to mention again iyong local support nito kapag nasira. Baka gawa Lunes sira Martes ang kalabasan niyan , ilang buwan lang ay umuugong or nagha-hum na ang output trannies niyan (No Offense). Konti na lang ang diperensiya, save the cash and buy later that will last for a long time. Do you think? Just my 2 cents again and opinion ko lang ito.
sir,
i dont own a sakura amp but may i ask exactly whats your reason for stating that "sayang lang ang pera mo diyan"? mas inferior ba ang mga parts neto kesa sa mga nabibili sa raon?
base sa post ng ibang may-ari ng sakura, mukang happy naman sila at wala pa ako nababasa o naririnig na sirain ang amp.
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I have no question about it, mine is a personal opinion. Of course lahat naman ng bagay ay talagang pasira, wala namang bagay na kapag binili mo ay paayos db? Sa audio ay always personal choice, my post is an opinion. Kase kung gagastos ka rin lang ng worth 10K for that amp, sabi ko nga ay dagdagan mo na lang ng konti ay may isang decent amp ka na which I believed far better than some of those that are made in China including this one. Baka ilang buwan lang ay umugong / mag-hum ang transformer niyan sakit pa ng ulo mo at lipad na kaagad iyong pinambili mo diyan. BTW, nasa trannies ang pinaka-buhay ng amp, kapag palpak ang xformers nito ay huwag mong asahan na tutunog ng maganda at maayos ang amp mo. Kahit anong tweak ang gawin mo ay hindi tutunog ng matino ang amp mo unless you replaced the xformers with a good, reliable and durable one.
I managed to bought a locally manufactured amp for about 16K during their sale offer. I opened the chassis and saw the internal components. Nichicon / Illinois Caps, Japan Alps potentiometer, Point-point hard wired, 2 big output trannies and 1 power, not OTL design, Sylvania NOS signal tubes and choice of brands of power tubes like Tung Sol,Electro Harmonix, Svetlana, Shuguang and JJ.
So just think of the price-built/quality ratio compared to the Sakura Amp. (BTW,how much is this Sakura Amp w/o the tweak)? So my question now to you, is this amp durable? It's up to you to decide. This is just my 2 cents. :)
I dont think it's a disposable tube amp :)
one of the factors na tiningnan ko for me to purchase this amp is the price... sa napaka-gandang pagkaka-gawa ng kaha nito ay panalo ka na agad... every electronic gears/gadget naman ay posibleng masira, ang tanong lang e kung nagagawa pa ba... in this case, i'd rather buy a cheap gear like this tube amp na pwede namang magawa at ma-modify kaysa sa napaka-mahal na tube amp na pwede ring masira at mas mahal pa kapag pinagawa... make sense? just my practical opinion... peace ;)
someone in this community once quoted...
"hindi lahat ng mura ay pangit at sirain... at hindi lahat ng mahal ay maganda at matibay..."
...in the end, it's still the users satisfaction is always important ;)
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So just think of the price-built/quality ratio compared to the Sakura Amp. (BTW,how much is this Sakura Amp w/o the tweak)? So my question now to you, is this amp durable? It's up to you to decide. This is just my 2 cents. :)
maybe you overlooked the actual price of the stock amp kaya nasabi mo na small difference lang compared to other tube amps na quality wise
stock is 3.5k to 3.7k basta <4k, pag modded around 6k ata
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Too good to be true for a tube amp of that price. Have you in any way ask yourself what's inside of that amp, will it sound really good even at the very least of an audiophile level? is it durable in a long run and etc? You know, my wife has a very little knowledge about electronics as in very little (ipod and creative speakers ok na sa kanya) but when i told her about a tube amp that cost less than 10K, she raised her eyebrow and said "Ano ba 'yon, meron bang ganon? hindi kaya sunog-bahay 'yon?" Imagine, for a person na walang hilig sa hobby natin eh nagkaroon pa ng doubt ng sabihin ko sa kanya ito. Well how much more pa sa atin. Anyway, this is a personal choice, you buy the amp, you take the risk. Mine is just an opinion. Peace & Good luck :)
maybe you overlooked the actual price of the stock amp kaya nasabi mo na small difference lang compared to other tube amps na quality wise
stock is 3.5k to 3.7k basta <4k, pag modded around 6k ata
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Oh I see, this is a hybrid amp. I thought this is really a full tube amp as printed in the box. Vacuum Tube Audio Amplifier @ 200w and the aesthetics, it doesn't look like a hybrid. Anyway, no issues. Regards.
whoaaa...hold your horses.....this Sakua amp is a hybrid amp....ss output and tubed buffer input......no sense to compare with a pure tubed amp...
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Sayang lang pera mo diyan, baka wala pang ilang buwan ay makikita na natin dito sa Buy & Sell section as For Sale na kaagad. Mas mabuti pa na magpagawa ka na lang kay Andrew S. or sa mga nag-d-DIY ng tube amps dito sa PDVD. At least sigurado kang hindi cheapo electronics ang gagamitin na components and far better sounding than those tube amps built somewhere in China, just my 2 cents. :)
obviously, its just your opinion and you are entitled to it.
better check the unit first. i dont own one yet, but i have listened and checked the build quality from a friend.quite impressed based on price ,performance and build ratios.
how sure are you that those you mentioned & some diyers who commission work dont use raon or cheap parts from time to time, close ba kayo
peace...:)
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Too good to be true for a tube amp of that price. Have you in any way ask yourself what's inside of that amp, will it sound really good even at the very least of an audiophile level? is it durable in a long run and etc? You know, my wife has a very little knowledge about electronics as in very little (ipod and creative speakers ok na sa kanya) but when i told her about a tube amp that cost less than 10K, she raised her eyebrow and said "Ano ba 'yon, meron bang ganon? hindi kaya sunog-bahay 'yon?" Imagine, for a person na walang hilig sa hobby natin eh nagkaroon pa ng doubt ng sabihin ko sa kanya ito. Well how much more pa sa atin. Anyway, this is a personal choice, you buy the amp, you take the risk. Mine is just an opinion. Peace & Good luck :)
What's your audio setup? If I may ask. I just acquired a modified sakura amp and it's waaay better than my ss Harman integrated amp, which is about 3x i'ts price (modified sakura pricing). I could let you listen to my setup and I'm sure that you'd change your perception about cheap electronic devices. I was hesitant at first but when I listened to it, I immediately grabbed one. Even the unmodified Sakura sounds good, the only difference is that the modified sounds cleaner and better staging, everything else are the same.
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And besides, whatever the insides of the amp are what matters most is the quality of sound it produces. In terms of durability, I'd say that it will always depend on the user. I've no intention to argue, just stating my opinion about your opinion.
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If I may add my two cents worth:
Everyone has a point, however it all boils down to the cost. I could buy 4 or 5 AV-200T's for the price of one single DIY or Branded Tube amp. Pag nasira, pwede naman parepair and upgade na din. I also look at it in a way that more people who have never experienced the joy of listening to a hybrid tube amp, will now be able to without spending a lot of cash for their gears. Mas maraming napapasaya mas maganda. Yung lang po ang aking palagay!
Happy Holidays po! ;D
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Opinions are better left unsaid much more if yours sounds like "bashing" a product without even trying it! Mayroon nagsasabing pangit ang gawang china, at meron din namang sulit daw kasi mura...so what i did is bumili ako ng cd player, dvd player atbp sa raon and i can safely say, based on my experience, nakatsamba ako ng matibay and they are still serving me though ocassionally na lang.
Eto opinion ko, yung nabibiling mga china-made na dvd/cd players sa raon karamihan cheapo ang dating pero kahit nakakarinig ako na madaling masira, nagtry pa rin ako, at sa halaga ng mga ito sulit na yung pinambili ko kasi halos 5 yrs na sa akin at di pa sira.
Why dont you try this sakura bago mo sabihing sayang ang pera...marami ka maaantagonize niyan bro
Peace! Happy xmas :D
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I am using the Amadeus SR#1 KT88 & Maestro SE 845 (Direct Heated Triode) amps, Sonus Faber Grand Piano Speakers and Garrard / NAD C542 players.
What's your audio setup? If I may ask. I just acquired a modified sakura amp and it's waaay better than my ss Harman integrated amp, which is about 3x i'ts price (modified sakura pricing). I could let you listen to my setup and I'm sure that you'd change your perception about cheap electronic devices. I was hesitant at first but when I listened to it, I immediately grabbed one. Even the unmodified Sakura sounds good, the only difference is that the modified sounds cleaner and better staging, everything else are the same.
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I am using the Amadeus SR#1 KT88 & Maestro SE 845 (Direct Heated Triode) amps, Sonus Faber Grand Piano Speakers and Garrard / NAD C542 players.
Wow, great set-up. Pricey. Siguro naman pag nagtry ka ng sakura na worth 7k(modified) chicken feed lang sa iyo bro. Try it then post your final opinion/review of the product. :)
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Of course you have to check the components used and it depends on your budget. Siyempre during the process mag-uusap kayo ng DIYer kung anong ang gusto mong mangyari sa amp na gagwin niya para sa iyo. Unless you agree doon sa cheapo parts, eh depende na lang sa preference mo. Puwede mo naman buksan iyong loob ng amp kaharap iyong DIYer para makita mo kung how well it was built. Regardless kung close kayo or hindi nung DIYer, but at least both of you have reach a certain level of agreement kung anong klaseng amp ang gusto mo na gagawin niya para sa iyo based doon sa budget mo...Right?
obviously, its just your opinion and you are entitled to it.
better check the unit first. i dont own one yet, but i have listened and checked the build quality from a friend.quite impressed based on price ,performance and build ratios.
how sure are you that those you mentioned & some diyers who commission work dont use raon or cheap parts from time to time, close ba kayo
peace...:)
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Wow, great set-up. Pricey. Siguro naman pag nagtry ka ng sakura na worth 7k(modified) chicken feed lang sa iyo bro. Try it then post your final opinion/review of the product. :)
agree. wow, pricey set up, im sure.if you feel like it,try to borrow a sakura or grab one and make an honest to goodness sound comparison/evaluation before ending it with a period.:)
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You're right about this, there are many Chinese products that are well built, likewise many also were not good. Once I owned a Sakura amp several years back (2002) which was bought from Raon, nice sounding SS amp and I used it for karaoke. However, medyo in doubt lang ako dito sa A 200T which it turned out a hybrid amp pala. The reason why I'm saying this, sa tube amplification dapat meticulously designed & crafted otherwise it will sound bad.
Opinions are better left unsaid much more if yours sounds like "bashing" a product without even trying it! Mayroon nagsasabing pangit ang gawang china, at meron din namang sulit daw kasi mura...so what i did is bumili ako ng cd player, dvd player atbp sa raon and i can safely say, based on my experience, nakatsamba ako ng matibay and they are still serving me though ocassionally na lang.
Eto opinion ko, yung nabibiling mga china-made na dvd/cd players sa raon karamihan cheapo ang dating pero kahit nakakarinig ako na madaling masira, nagtry pa rin ako, at sa halaga ng mga ito sulit na yung pinambili ko kasi halos 5 yrs na sa akin at di pa sira.
Why dont you try this sakura bago mo sabihing sayang ang pera...marami ka maaantagonize niyan bro
Peace! Happy xmas :D
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Let me check the amp one of these days. :) Thanks
agree. wow, pricey set up, im sure.if you feel like it,try to borrow a sakura or grab one and make an honest to goodness sound comparison/evaluation before ending it with a period.:)
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And besides, whatever the insides of the amp are what matters most is the quality of sound it produces. In terms of durability, I'd say that it will always depend on the user. I've no intention to argue, just stating my opinion about your opinion.
yes, generally its in the pudding, what it taste. not everybody in this hobby, especially the newbies around understand what a cheapo part looks like.for all they know, they are looking at them closely but still cant recognize that it is cheap. its a gift sometimes to detect one. also, its an advantage if you are deep into this hobby and been reading/learning around or electronics engg literate. what's important I believe is the tried and tested circuit topology used and observing the correct part ratings...the parts & the unit's reliability, well that's the manufacturer's job or option...possible waterloo to sustain his business if he can't address possible future RMA/CMA , market complaint issues :)
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Imo, not all China made gears are bad, especially when a company outsources their labor there and sends in a company representative for strict quality compliance.
What should be avoided are some of the backyard operators, which reminds me of those cheap Lithium Polymer battery chargers wherein it charges at 12.6V but uses 10V rated caps. ::)
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yes, generally its in the pudding, what it taste. not everybody in this hobby, especially the newbies around understand what a cheapo part looks like.for all they know, they are looking at them closely but still cant recognize that it is cheap. its a gift sometimes to detect one. also, its an advantage if you are deep into this hobby and been reading/learning around or electronics engg literate. what's important I believe is the tried and tested circuit topology used and observing the correct part ratings...the parts & the unit's reliability, well that's the manufacturer's job or option...possible waterloo to sustain his business if he can't address possible future RMA/CMA , market complaint issues :)
I believe the warranty from the Chinese manufacturer of this product is non-existent. The local distro should be the one to absorb warranty repairs/replacement.
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Agree ako kase I just learned na hybrid amp pala ito. I have nothing against sa hybrid amp regardless kung saan pa gawa ito. Once I thought acquiring one but never materialized.
If I may add my two cents worth:
Everyone has a point, however it all boils down to the cost. I could buy 4 or 5 AV-200T's for the price of one single DIY or Branded Tube amp. Pag nasira, pwede naman parepair and upgade na din. I also look at it in a way that more people who have never experienced the joy of listening to a hybrid tube amp, will now be able to without spending a lot of cash for their gears. Mas maraming napapasaya mas maganda. Yung lang po ang aking palagay!
Happy Holidays po! ;D
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becuase labor is dirt cheap in china, no labor unions to disrupt factory operations, no haggling for pay increases...etc.....etc....they can come up with really cheap goods......many times better than we can here in PI......
but mind you, technlogy comes from such places as the US and European union countries.....this is inevitable....
this amp is now on the very top of my "to do" list once i am back.....
i will dissect this amp and report finding here....
this amp is the best you can buy "for the money".....period.... ;D
a close friend says they work for food and shelter? and they work fast too for they must reach a certain quota for the day.
maybe we should convert to communism so we can build dirt cheap gears like they do. ;)
ot: you're coming home for the holidays? i'm still hoping one day you can bring home a box of ak47s... ;D ;D ;D
btt: reverse engineer a schematic for me will you please... ;D
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I agree :)
Imo, not all China made gears are bad, especially when a company outsources their labor there and sends in a company representative for strict quality compliance.
What should be avoided are some of the backyard operators, which reminds me of those cheap Lithium Polymer battery chargers wherein it charges at 12.6V but uses 10V rated caps. ::)
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Perhaps the reason was stability.
OT: a lot of folks here have no idea of what that word means, they just don't care... :'(
neither do i..... ;D
but i do care when we get sidetracked, like the national panasonic closing shop here, and Intel moving to Vietnam.....tsk...tsk...we really love to shoot ourselves in the foot... :'(
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in the end, it is still us users who would be the better judge kung sayang ung pera natin o hindi sa binili natin. as for me and, perhaps, the others who bought the subject amp, i think we could all say na hindi sayang ang pera namin. for the price and the sound quality, it is very much worth it.
as for the durability, i echo the opinion of the others that it depends on the user. if you are a careless owner, no matter how expensive your gears are, it will easily breakdown. being aware of the prevailing notion that china made products are not that durable, we are already forewarned and, thus, should exercise extra care in using the product.
just my thoughts...
thanks.
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whoaaa...hold your horses.....this Sakua amp is a hybrid amp....ss output and tubed buffer input......no sense to compare with a pure tubed amp...
Tanong ko lang sir, when you say SS output and tube buffer input what does it mean ba ? parang the same ba yan sa SS amp na nilagyang ng tube buffer ? pacencia na sir, di ko alam pano imagine, newbie lang.
Thanks. :)
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Military Hardwares :)
growing up, i used to hear this, "gawang Hapon, sira sa hapon..."
then came korean tv's.....
and taiwan.....before china.....
this is a natural reaction of folks that have a hard time shedding off their colonial mentality....
i wonder, are there still those among us who thinks that "US made" goods are best?
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I believe the warranty from the Chinese manufacturer of this product is non-existent. The local distro should be the one to absorb warranty repairs/replacement.
agree.if the local distro receive so much complaints from these, the best option is just terminate business relationship with china counterpart (manufacturer directly, maybe).sourcing na lan ulet sa china ;D.but sakura is sakura, its been in the market na rin for sometime. so, it must have proven its brand na rin, maybe.. china will soon or already moving forward from these "inferiority complex products", supplying almost the rest of the world thru outsourcing mfg activities.aside from those mentioned by sir tony, halos lahat ng support industries, nandun na thus, making it really cheap to produce/support new product developments.
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if only we can get our acts together, instead of pulling each other down....
blame it on the crabs. ;D
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OT: a lot of folks here have no idea of what that word means, they just don't care... :'(
neither do i..... ;D
but i do care when we get sidetracked, like the national panasonic closing shop here, and Intel moving to Vietnam.....tsk...tsk...we really love to shoot ourselves in the foot... :'(
indeed we do. ;D
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agree.if the local distro receive so much complaints from these, the best option is just terminate business relationship with china counterpart (manufacturer directly, maybe).sourcing na lan ulet sa china ;D.but sakura is sakura, its been in the market na rin for sometime. so, it must have proven its brand na rin, maybe.. china will soon or already moving forward from these "inferiority complex products", supplying almost the rest of the world thru outsourcing mfg activities.aside from those mentioned by sir tony, halos lahat ng support industries, nandun na thus, making it really cheap to produce/support new product developments.
I agree, the sakura amp we used to amplifier the electronic organ at church still works. But not just because it's a sakura, but because the topology used in there was already proven to be robust.
OT: even the movie 2012 outsourced the building of the arks in China. ;) ;D
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growing up, i used to hear this, "gawang Hapon, sira sa hapon..."
then came korean tv's.....
and taiwan.....before china.....
this is a natural reaction of folks that have a hard time shedding off their colonial mentality....
i wonder, are there still those among us who thinks that "US made" goods are best?
hahaha! I remember our relatives in Angeles, Pampanga uses "state-side" kitchen gears only.
but I think the problem with Japan made stuff before was communication, they don't have the proper user's manual for their products that's why they broke more often. unlike US-made stuff where it has to be able to withstand a war and still function. ;D
even the US-made M-16 broke a lot during the Vietnam conflict, not because of it's plastic parts, but because soldiers didn't read the manual. ;D ;D ;D
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A Chow Chan DVD player is not good as a Philips/HK/Sony/Pioneer DVD players assembled in China.
A Luk Lai Amplifier is not as good as the NAD/Cambridge that were assembled in PRC.
A Ling Ma Ref is not as good and durable as GE / Westinghouse that were assembled in China or Korea.
A Cheng Du loudspeakers is not as good as the B&W or Monitor Audio that were assembled in China.
A Strawberry Car is not as good and safe as the Chrysler or Toyota that were assembled somewhere in SEA.
A chinese brand vacuum tube is not as good as the RCA/GE/Brimar/Raytheon & other NOS electron devices.
This are probably the reasons why the notion still exists. It's not about the colonial mentality.
Other countries think the same when it comes to chinese brands, not brands that were patented and assembled in china. It's 2 different things.
growing up, i used to hear this, "gawang Hapon, sira sa hapon..."
then came korean tv's.....
and taiwan.....before china.....
this is a natural reaction of folks that have a hard time shedding off their colonial mentality....
i wonder, are there still those among us who thinks that "US made" goods are best?
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if you read jojoD's post in the earlier pages, you will find what i mean... ;D
Done reading back from page 11 to 1 searching for sir Jojo's post on each page, didn't find any or probably I just don't understand because of the complexity of the conversation. Thanks anyway sir.
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Tanong ko lang sir, when you say SS output and tube buffer input what does it mean ba ? parang the same ba yan sa SS amp na nilagyang ng tube buffer ? pacencia na sir, di ko alam pano imagine, newbie lang.
Thanks. :)
Yes pareho lang, ganyan ang ginawa sa av200 with the exception na tube rectified yun input buffer.
Done reading back from page 11 to 1 searching for sir Jojo's post on each page, didn't find any or probably I just don't understand because of the complexity of the conversation. Thanks anyway sir.
When you say tube buffer input and ss output it means that the "amplification" is still done by the ss output stage and the tube buffer only has a gain of 1 (kaya nga po buffer). That is how this av200 is Sir.
On the other hand, it is also possible for a hybrid amp (tube input/ss output) to have the "amplification" done by the tube section (gainstage na ito, hindi na tube buffer ang tawag), it is then followed by a "power follower" (often times referred to as a current amplifier) that has a gain of 1 which drives the speaker.
To recap, there are 2 ways to make a hybrid.
1. Tube buffer input -> SS amp output stage
2. Tube gainstage input -> SS power follower
I hope this clears things for you Sir.
Cheers
Edit:
There's a 3rd way pa pala, you can use high current voltage regulators and use them as power followers too to drive speakers, the gain is still dictated by the tubes in such a case.
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To recap, there are 2 ways to make a hybrid.
1. Tube buffer input -> SS amp output stage
2. Tube gainstage input -> SS power follower
I hope this clears things for you Sir.
Cheers
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There's a 3rd way pa pala, you can use high current voltage regulators and use them as power followers too to drive speakers, the gain is still dictated by the tubes in such a case.
question master, the hybrid gainclone i got from you is an example of the second way? tube gainstage -- ss follower?
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question master, the hybrid gainclone i got from you is an example of the second way? tube gainstage -- ss follower?
that's correct Sir...
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in case 1, buffer has unity gain, well, almost, gain is provided by the SS output stage..
in case 2, tube input stage provides voltage gain, the SS output stage only provides current, voltage gain is unity, or one.....
exactly...
BTT: I hope to get the chance to listen (with my gears) a previously modified av200 tonight... sana matuloy. ;D
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btw, Tony, can you see any trimpots on the amp board? my eyes can be playing tricks on me again... :( :( :(
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00396.jpg)
i've always wondered how the amp section was biased... the size of the heatsink tells a lot but I still want to "touch" one and see for myself...
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in case 1, buffer has unity gain, well, almost, gain is provided by the SS output stage..
in case 2, tube input stage provides voltage gain, the SS output stage only provides current, voltage gain is unity, or one.....
in theory, which is a better design concept in which better sq can be achieved? case 1 or case 2? :)
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exactly...
BTT: I hope to get the chance to listen (with my gears) a previously modified av200 tonight... sana matuloy. ;D
I would eagerly await your feedback el presidente ;D
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in theory, which is a better design concept in which better sq can be achieved? case 1 or case 2? :)
In a perfect world, both should be the same. Both will present a very high source impedance, however, tube sound tends to sound more prominent when they "amplify" the signal as such in the 2nd case.
There are many applications for buffers, take the tube hybrid gainclone (JLTi) of Joe Rasmussen for example, the tube buffer is there not because of it's looks or just to have a tube in there. The tube buffer is used to isolate the input of the gainclone from the varying resistance that is being presented by the volume control.
In essence, the gainclone will change it's high frequency response dependent on the position of the volume control which in fact acts as a low pass filter (together with the gainclone's input capacitance). Adding a buffer in front of the amp isolates the volume control from the gainclone and the tube buffer presents a constant impedance to the amp, independent of the volume control's position.
I would eagerly await your feedback el presidente ;D
Sana nga matuloy Brader...
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Yes pareho lang, ganyan ang ginawa sa av200 with the exception na tube rectified yun input buffer.
When you say tube buffer input and ss output it means that the "amplification" is still done by the ss output stage and the tube buffer only has a gain of 1 (kaya nga po buffer). That is how this av200 is Sir.
On the other hand, it is also possible for a hybrid amp (tube input/ss output) to have the "amplification" done by the tube section (gainstage na ito, hindi na tube buffer ang tawag), it is then followed by a "power follower" (often times referred to as a current amplifier) that has a gain of 1 which drives the speaker.
To recap, there are 2 ways to make a hybrid.
1. Tube buffer input -> SS amp output stage
2. Tube gainstage input -> SS power follower
I hope this clears things for you Sir.
Cheers
Edit:
There's a 3rd way pa pala, you can use high current voltage regulators and use them as power followers too to drive speakers, the gain is still dictated by the tubes in such a case.
Thanks sir, that I understand. ;D
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I have another questions for the Masters...
i read somewhere (posted by sir Tony) that the small tubes of this amp can be replaced by 12AT7 tubes and sir JojoD agree..., so tube rolling is possible and safe for this amp, right? may ibang tubes pa ba na pwede? And for those big tubes naman, pwede rin ba tube rolling dun and what is the safest tubes na pwede dun na available sa market today at madaling hanapin?
just curious ;)
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In a perfect world, both should be the same. Both will present a very high source impedance, however, tube sound tends to sound more prominent when they "amplify" the signal as such in the 2nd case.
There are many applications for buffers, take the tube hybrid gainclone (JLTi) of Joe Rasmussen for example, the tube buffer is there not because of it's looks or just to have a tube in there. The tube buffer is used to isolate the input of the gainclone from the varying resistance that is being presented by the volume control.
In essence, the gainclone will change it's high frequency response dependent on the position of the volume control which in fact acts as a low pass filter (together with the gainclone's input capacitance). Adding a buffer in front of the amp isolates the volume control from the gainclone and the tube buffer presents a constant impedance to the amp, independent of the volume control's position.
Sana nga matuloy Brader...
depends on the implementation....and your tastes....
if you are more into tubes, you may find case 2 to be better....else you may find case 1 better...
thanks sa mga sagot! well, i find my jdlabs tube hybrid's sq very pleasing. neutral sound, which is how i like it. so i guess i like case 2. :D
but if the sakua/sakura is case 1, i hope i will be able to listen to one in a foreseeable future. its really a great piece of equipment at its price. the beauty of it is price for admission into tube sound need not be expensive anymore. :D
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I have another questions for the Masters...
i read somewhere (posted by sir Tony) that the small tubes of this amp can be replaced by 12AT7 tubes and sir JojoD agree..., so tube rolling is possible and safe for this amp, right? may ibang tubes pa ba na pwede? And for those big tubes naman, pwede rin ba tube rolling dun and what is the safest tubes na pwede dun na available sa market today at madaling hanapin?
just curious ;)
I believe that the 12AT7 "replacement" was used in a different context. Iirc, we were talking of possible modifications (not upgrades) that requires re-wiring. (Disclaimer) I personally don't suggest such a replacement until I can confirm what tube pinout was used in the av200.
Tube rolling is possible for all types of tube equipment naman sir, but we only have to be sure which type is it so we can make further suggestions.
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i do not see any....
just as I thought. I wish it still is a class ab with a fixed bias nga lang.
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I believe that the 12AT7 "replacement" was used in a different context. Iirc, we were talking of possible modifications (not upgrades) that requires re-wiring. (Disclaimer) I personally don't suggest such a replacement until I can confirm what tube pinout was used in the av200.
Oh i see, so it's for upgrades pala. Thanks Sir Jojo, i'll be waiting for your feedbacks kapag napag-aralan mo na ang AV200 ;)
Tube rolling is possible for all types of tube equipment naman sir, but we only have to be sure which type is it so we can make further suggestions.
E bakit kasi tinanong ko pa 'to, ang lakas naman ng pakiramdam ko na ganito ang kasagutan sa tanong ko, hehehe for the sake of other members na lang siguro kaya ko naitanong ;D ;D ;D
Maraming salamat Sir JojoD ;)
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E bakit kasi tinanong ko pa 'to, ang lakas naman ng pakiramdam ko na ganito ang kasagutan sa tanong ko, hehehe for the sake of other members na lang siguro kaya ko naitanong ;D ;D ;D
Maraming salamat Sir JojoD ;)
Sabi ng titser ko noon bata pa ako... "Kapag hindi ninyo naintindihan, huwag mahiya na itaas ang kamay..."
;D
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Sabi ng titser ko noon bata pa ako... "Kapag hindi ninyo naintindihan, huwag mahiya na itaas ang kamay..."
;D
Korek, i agree ;)
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Sa wakas nakahiram din ako nito...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/JD%20Labs/av200.jpg)
Build quality looks good for it's price... unfortunately I cannot open this for it's not mine and I need to send it back asap. :P
Btw, it says 5Z4P on the 2 rectifier tubes, no id on the peanut bulbs though. >:(
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Sa wakas nakahiram din ako nito...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/JD%20Labs/av200.jpg)
Build quality looks good for it's price... unfortunately I cannot open this for it's not mine and I need to send it back asap. :P
Btw, it says 5Z4P on the 2 rectifier tubes, no id on the peanut bulbs though. >:(
Sound impressions perhaps? ;D
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Sound impressions perhaps? ;D
+1 ;D
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At mag paalam na "Mam may I go out ?"
Sabi ng titser ko noon bata pa ako... "Kapag hindi ninyo naintindihan, huwag mahiya na itaas ang kamay..."
;D
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this amp has fet differential/current mirror input stage, tube VAS stage in differential mode, this in turn buffered by a pnp transistor in a commen emitter type stage finally driving the mosfet output stage...melting pot of all active devices.... ;D
in theory, you can also have a fourth type, that is both tube and ss stages have voltage gains....
nosebleed!!! overheat utak ko...
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oayan may nagbenta na > http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=105066.0
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8) bili bili na
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... unfortunately I cannot open this for it's not mine and I need to send it back asap. :P
sayang. ano kaya IC o transistors ng amp nito?
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we'll find out in 2 weeks time...promise.....i'll be looking into viability of tweaking also... ;D
eto ang hinihintay ko ;)
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Sound impressions perhaps? ;D
+1 ;D
In the short amount of time I had with it I find the music too compressed (or tends to compress) for my taste. It's like when I turn the volume up, only the mids increases magnitude, the lows and highs gets left behind, the result was Beyonce sounds like she has a cold while singing and sometimes tends to be too sibilant. It's hard to describe really, but again, with such a short amount of time, I was like in a rush.
The good news is that I will have another shot at it next week, this time with a lot longer foreplay and more intimate relationship - I was promised to get to see it naked. ;)
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i forgot to mention the Luxman LV-103/105 series....they use the 6CG7 tubes as VAS stage, they were raved at afaik, getting good reviews....
this amp has fet differential/current mirror input stage, tube VAS stage in differential mode, this in turn buffered by a pnp transistor in a commen emitter type stage finally driving the mosfet output stage...melting pot of all active devices.... ;D
in theory, you can also have a fourth type, that is both tube and ss stages have voltage gains....
Iirc, it was Prof Leach who always talk about operating the VAS stage in Class A - and what better active device to do this than a vacuum tube... the hotter, the better. ;D
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I got to visit anthony late last night & went home with a borrowed "modified" Sakura to evaluate. For evaluation purposes, I used my Rotel flagship RCD-1072 with Xindak suspension ball shackles, bi-wire speaker cables and the proac clone 2.5 with Scanspeak drivers.
(http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/11/88/38/44/dsc_0197.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=628&u=11883844)
(http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/11/88/38/44/dsc_0198.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=629&u=11883844)
I really wanted to hear an un-modified Sakura to compare with a modified version but unfortunately Anthony only had modified ones.
To begin with, do take this all with a grain of salt as I was skeptical myself in using a floorstander speaker with having a low 86db sensitivity rating. The amp did fill my living room with adequate music at a comfortable level & it has an impact to a degree but most times it was brite with no depth or weight.
There was no 'midrange lush' that is common with tube gears which actually made me think that i was just using a solid state amp.
However, even at a modified price of 6.5k - its hard to beat and to anyone looking for their first (SS or Tube) amp should atleast audition this amp. Just remember to pair it with higher sensitivity speakers of 89db and up.
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Any update on this sir?:
In the short amount of time I had with it I find the music too compressed (or tends to compress) for my taste. It's like when I turn the volume up, only the mids increases magnitude, the lows and highs gets left behind, the result was Beyonce sounds like she has a cold while singing and sometimes tends to be too sibilant. It's hard to describe really, but again, with such a short amount of time, I was like in a rush.
The good news is that I will have another shot at it next week, this time with a lot longer foreplay and more intimate relationship - I was promised to get to see it naked. ;)
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any new feedbacks regarding this amp?
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Any update on this sir?:
Unfortunately, no new update sir. Hindi kami natuloy nun ka-date ko due to time constraints.
I hope TonyT has some news...
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paging Sir Tony..... ;)
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yup, got mine just now......Jems had it listed for 3850, but when i asked seller Alma, she told me i can have it for 3500, so without further ado, i got one....expect my review in a day or two.... ;D
initial impression....mas pogi sa personal yung amp.... :D
welcome back Sir TonyT...aside from your isound mpressions, if you feel like it, baka pede nyo po kuhanan ng kahit konting basic measurements including freq. response para sa mga curious...
thanks
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yup, got mine just now......Jems had it listed for 3850, but when i asked seller Alma, she told me i can have it for 3500, so without further ado, i got one....expect my review in a day or two.... ;D
initial impression....mas pogi sa personal yung amp.... :D
congrats sir tonyT. bakit lalayo pa eh sa Jem's lang 3.5k na. nung una ko nagtanong sakua amp wala sila kaya sa kahanay una nakita ko. nung nagkaron stock binisaya ko agad sila inday kaya 3.5k agad pero ayaw na magpa-tawad nung amo.
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power supply caps for the SS output stage are rated at 35vdc.....so that rails could be anywhere from +/-25 to +/- 30 volts, therefore this amp can deliver about 48 watts average per channel into an 8 ohm load...per my estimates....besides, the power traffo seem just about right for a 100watt amp...
tube-driven gainclone amp?
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i am still puzzled by the 2 rectifier tubes.....
will try to enjoy the sounds first before i operate on this amp.....
at 3500, this is a novelty of an amp, and i will not modify this amp in any way until i get to know it better....
more to come.... ;D
and oh, the Sakura 5026 at 3500 is also quite tempting....yummy.... ;D
what's with the rectifier tube sir Tony?
...and you're also right, the 5026 is really tempting ;)
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There are two 2200/25volts caps.....tube rects do not see this king of filter caps...so i suspect that these rectifier tubes are there just for show....but will know for sure when i get to dismantle the tube section...
Run the amp without the tube rects?
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Run the amp without the tube rects?
Is this possible? i mean for other tube amps, pwede ba tumunog yun w/o the rectifiers?
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Pwede din ba change the capacitor to solid type like those installed on some mobos?
May local source na ba for solid capacitors?
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even at 3850, this amp is a steal... ;D
interesting sirs san ba tong jems store na to
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ok thanks Tony
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Is this possible? i mean for other tube amps, pwede ba tumunog yun w/o the rectifiers?
Yes it's possible. If the tube rectifiers are just for show then the whole thing will run even with the tube rectifiers out of their sockets.
not yet...untill i understand fully how the thing works.....the amp stays as is for now.... ;D
off-hand i can tell that the tube pre-amp section needs tweeking...... ;D
it will take more than just capacitor mods imho.... ;D
I understand, baby steps then... ;D
Maynilad is all over our streets, messing up my schedule date with my specimen. >:(
Reinventing it already? ;D I suggest installing a speaker time delay at least, something with dc protection would be great I guess. ;D
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Sir Tony T,
Any impressions on the performance of the unit without performing tweaks?
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compared to my leach amps, not as good....but i suspect given better speakers, (i am currently using my AIWA's) and signal source, this amp can really sing.....
bass is very good, mids are credible, highs fair......for the price, this amp rocks...
ok guys, coming from sir TonyT's...what are we waiting for ;D ;D ;D
Xmas gift sa mga big kids
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bass is very good, mids are credible, highs fair......for the price, this amp rocks...
At may separate sub out pa! ;D
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Very nice review sir TonyT! ;D
Yung mga 13 month dyan ilabas na. Hehe!
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got one yesterday @ jems. available colors are gold & silver :)
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got one yesterday @ jems. available colors are gold & silver :)
san yung gems sir? sa raon ba yan? thanks :)
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san yung gems sir? sa raon ba yan? thanks :)
Jems- raon cor. evangelista. walking distance sa place mo ;D
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got one yesterday @ jems. available colors are gold & silver :)
May silver na rin??? ;)
Ayan na, pinag-aaralan na nila ng husto ang Sakura Tube Amps :)
...as per sir Tony's review, i totally agree with him, for the price, sulit na sulit na talaga... and i think may ibubuga pa ng husto ang amp na 'to kapag na-tweak ng maayos, syempre courtesy of our masters Sir Tony and Sir JojoD ;)
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compared to my leach amps, not as good....but i suspect given better speakers, (i am currently using my AIWA's) and signal source, this amp can really sing.....
You really ought to hear this brave little amp paired with Anthony's proac clones, sir.
This amp may have issues with the Wharfe 9.1 or Anthony's own floorstanders, but with
his proac clones, the combination is... astonishing!
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You really ought to hear this brave little amp paired with Anthony's proac clones, sir.
This amp may have issues with the Wharfe 9.1 or Anthony's own floorstanders, but with
his proac clones, the combination is... astonishing!
Is your Sakura the modified one, or the original from Raon?
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May ganitong finish ba sa Raon? Open ba dun on Sundays?
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2v2zko4.jpg)
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Jems- raon cor. evangelista. walking distance sa place mo ;D
thanks boss... esep esep muna :)
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May ganitong finish ba sa Raon? Open ba dun on Sundays?
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2v2zko4.jpg)
nakapaling yung isang tubo
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thanks boss... esep esep muna :)
welcome. imo, ok na amx sonatina mo ;D
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welcome. imo, ok na amx sonatina mo ;D
thanks again sir.. yeah... parang nangangati lang ako sir..hehe ;D
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thanks again sir.. yeah... parang nangangati lang ako sir..hehe ;D
sige gogogo! abangan ko sonatina hehehe ;D
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i dont think na pampapogi lang yung big tubes sa likod, kasi i got mine busted after 1hr of playing, nangitim, ayun ayaw na gumana ng amp. then anthony replaced it with a new one, so far i've logged at least 150hrs of playing dito ke kuring ko, im happy with it, parang ginawa sya para sa clones. ;)
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i dont think na pampapogi lang yung big tubes sa likod, kasi i got mine busted after 1hr of playing, nangitim, ayun ayaw na gumana ng amp. then anthony replaced it with a new one, so far i've logged at least 150hrs of playing dito ke kuring ko, im happy with it, parang ginawa sya para sa clones. ;)
How much were the replacement tubes?
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How much was the replacement tubes?
FREE. ;) mine is a modified sakura.
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FREE. ;) mine is a modified sakura.
panalo talaga aftersales service ni master anthony!
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infantile mortality ang tawag dyan....otherwise tatagal pa yung tubes....i ran the amp without those big tubes, and there was no sound, this time these big boys are needed for the amp to work....
one of these days i will reverse engineer the tube preamp stage and find out exactly how it ticks....
while i have 2 issues with "my" unit, i am in no hurry to mod it, i am still enjoying the sounds....
these amp should be able drive any speaker, it has high enough power, about 45 watts per channel...
Hi Sir TonyT,
Very impressive comments sir!
Mas lalong dumami ang nangangating bumili...
:D
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i just bought a sakura av200 last dec 17 and been using since. I can say that i like it better than my yamaha rx-v440 specially on vocals. do i still need to modify it? will it still sound better?
Thanks.
Ed
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I have to ask the vendor to replace my unit when i first bought it. there was a problem with the left speaker output when i tested it at home (gumagalasgas). the saleslady is kind enough to test their demo unit (to compare) and the result was the same. She requested for a brand new unit from their warehouse. My replacement unit sounds better than the first unit.
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Hello,
i just got mine today.... hmmm maganda nga... i will let you know kung kelan ko ipamodify tong amp... sounds good on acoustics... Sir Tony... please let me know when you will modify yours para alam ko review nito.... For Me.... Newbie din lang ako into this hobby... but i enjoyed it right away.... hope it will last.... je je je.... tamang tama ito sa sub ni MARCOPILYO.... may sub out eh... je je je....
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Hello,
i just got mine today.... hmmm maganda nga... i will let you know kung kelan ko ipamodify tong amp... sounds good on acoustics... Sir Tony... please let me know when you will modify yours para alam ko review nito.... For Me.... Newbie din lang ako into this hobby... but i enjoyed it right away.... hope it will last.... je je je.... tamang tama ito sa sub ni MARCOPILYO.... may sub out eh... je je je....
Pwede ba yun Sir tonyt/Anthony derecho na sa amp4v2+sub ni marco? May issue nga ba 'tong 200T sa Floorstander ni Anthony...please elaborate na lang po...
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Pwede ba yun Sir tonyt/Anthony derecho na sa amp4v2+sub ni marco? May issue nga ba 'tong 200T sa Floorstander ni Anthony...please elaborate na lang po...
Maybe what the previous poster meant was since there was a sub pre-out, it can be connected to pilyo's passive sub through an amp of course unless pilyo had an active sub ;)
For the 200T vs AAudio FS, this I gottae hear as well.
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This amp may have issues with the Wharfe 9.1 or Anthony's own floorstanders, but with
his proac clones, the combination is... astonishing!
Please let me clarify. Previous to my post above, two others commented rather unfavorably on the Sakura AV-200T; one paired it with the Wharfe 9.1, the other paired it with one of Anthony's floorstanders. That's all I meant! And why I said "may have," not "has." ;)
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to all: Thanks for the help especially Sir TonyT ;)
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I agree with Sir TonyT regarding his comment on Wharfedale 9.1... I used this speaker at home and guess what... the Sakura sings with it beautifully. Je je je... wala namang problema yong wharfedale 9.1 ko pairing it with this amp.... ganda ganda ng tunog.... i just got mine yesterday.... reading all the reviews here about the amp i finally decided to get one for my audio setup.... I am still waiting for a Yamaha setup for my HT... je je je... ganda ng tunog.... di ko pa na test yong sub out nia i guess this will also a good pair with MARCOAMP... je je je... yes i mean connect muna sa ampv2 ni pilyo then sa sub... kayo naman.... je je je... i also got a 5.1 setup of this.... 1 amp4v2 and 5 pieces amp5 of sir MARCO PILYO and of course a sub enclosure and subwoofer.... Je Je Je
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I agree with Sir TonyT regarding his comment on Wharfedale 9.1... I used this speaker at home and guess what... the Sakura sings with it beautifully. Je je je... wala namang problema yong wharfedale 9.1 ko pairing it with this amp.... ganda ganda ng tunog.... i just got mine yesterday.... reading all the reviews here about the amp i finally decided to get one for my audio setup.... I am still waiting for a Yamaha setup for my HT... je je je... ganda ng tunog.... di ko pa na test yong sub out nia i guess this will also a good pair with MARCOAMP... je je je... yes i mean connect muna sa ampv2 ni pilyo then sa sub... kayo naman.... je je je... i also got a 5.1 setup of this.... 1 amp4v2 and 5 pieces amp5 of sir MARCO PILYO and of course a sub enclosure and subwoofer.... Je Je Je
Sir how's the performance of this t-amp in Movies?
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has anybody tried the sakura / diymaster coax combi? imo, good match yan.
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Sa may raon, 3rd store mula sa gitna.. di ba salonga yon... taz may isa pa.. taz merun pa ulit isa... store... don ko nabili yon... Intsik yong me ari... medyo maganda... 3750 lang ang bigay nila... yong iba nga tinatago na kasi nalaman nilang maganda. 2mawad ako sa jems... wala daw sila stock eh iisa lang naman lahat bodega nila... lahat doon. ayaw na patawad... actually ang bigayan nila 3960... pero kahit papano natawaran ko ng kunti... Maganda nga siya... i just got mine yesterday... at di naman ako nagsisisi... it sounds better than my AVR na HK... anyway... magcanvass ka dun... madami nagsasabi pero pagmababa ang tawad mo biglang sasabihin titignan pa sa bodega kung may stock... Ganun sila lahat dun kahapon... 95% ng store sa raon electronics natanong ko... ayaw na magpatawad... je je je
Regarding movies, di ko tinest because i plan it to be use dedicated for audio lang... pag medyo mahilig ka sa audio... malaki kasi pagkakaiba ng tunog... may separate akong setup for HT.... Yong SAKURA for audio lang talaga siya... i am even planning to connect it to my computer so that di na hussle sa mga CD... i have a gud sound card naman... medyo mid high na rin yon... pero i guess it will no longer matter but i hope maganda pa rin tunog...
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tanong ko lang po pede ba ito sa 4 ohm 80watts floorstander speaker? salamat
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ang sub out ba nito may low pass crossover? kasi sinubukan ko dati yung sa av502 sub out, full range ang output, i.e., no low pass crossover.
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tanong ko lang po pede ba ito sa 4 ohm 80watts floorstander speaker? salamat
Pwede. My Dali Suite 1.7 is 4 ohm, 89 db, 40-160 watts. The Sakura AV-200T drives it pretty loud :D.
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@deuce
salamat ng marami.
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hindi ako sure, pero yung dtx ko meron so okey alng....
yung amps kasi ni marcopilyo walang xover e. di rin cost-effective kung bibili pa ng separate xover. thanks anyway sir tony!
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accidentally natamaan ko yun malaking tube, nabasag. :(
san kaya pde papalitan yun tube?
thanks!
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accidentally natamaan ko yun malaking tube, nabasag. :(
san kaya pde papalitan yun tube?
thanks!
Sir, contact DIY Master Anthony - baka may extra pa sya ;)
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Sir, contact DIY Master Anthony - baka may extra pa sya ;)
thanks macdon!
got one from anthony. :)
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Hi, who sells the modified version of the sakura 200t tube amp?
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Hi, who sells the modified version of the sakura 200t tube amp?
@diy_master used to do it. i dont know if he still does this since he is busy with his speaker creations. but you can try contacting him through pm if he still does it.
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Hi guys, I am new in tubes and would be purchasing this amp this Tuesday along with 2 new floor standers.
Can you guys give me a heads-up on what I need to purchase to attach these FS to the AV-200t? I will be buying them from ACE probably, so, nothing fancy please ;D I would want to know to what I need to buy to attach my active sub too.
Thanks in advance ;)
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Can you guys give me a heads-up on what I need to purchase to attach these FS to the AV-200t? I will be buying them from ACE probably, so, nothing fancy please ;D I would want to know to what I need to buy to attach my active sub too.
Thanks in advance ;)
i don't know if the speaker wires from ACE are good. i suggest you buy from a/v stores.
for the subwoofer cable, you can ask paolorenzo to make one for you, just give him the length you need. :) here is his thread:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=95498.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=95498.0)
hope this helps. :)
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Hi guys, I am new in tubes and would be purchasing this amp this Tuesday along with 2 new floor standers.
Can you guys give me a heads-up on what I need to purchase to attach these FS to the AV-200t? I will be buying them from ACE probably, so, nothing fancy please ;D I would want to know to what I need to buy to attach my active sub too.
Thanks in advance ;)
hi bro, you can try contacting paolorenzo, get a banana plug, some decent speaker wires. Paolo also has really good cable for your sub. Im using this amp with the Proac Clone BS, serving me well naman.
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be sure FS easy to drive. (high sensitivity of 93db+ better)
hth
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Ok, thanks for all the heads-up guys.
I will try and check out what paolo has to offer.
Going back to my question, what type of cable configuration would I need?
1. My A-Audio FS to connect to my AV-200T; and
2. My Ganzklar sub to connect to my AV-200T.
Meaning, two RCAs to two RCA jacks or one RCA jack that becomes two or what?
Sorry, really a newbie in this.
Thanks in advance again.
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Ok, thanks for all the heads-up guys.
I will try and check out what paolo has to offer.
Going back to my question, what type of cable configuration would I need?
1. My A-Audio FS to connect to my AV-200T; and
2. My Ganzklar sub to connect to my AV-200T.
Meaning, two RCAs to two RCA jacks or one RCA jack that becomes two or what?
Sorry, really a newbie in this.
Thanks in advance again.
sir, do you mean speaker cable on number 1? you may try gauge 12 oxygen free speaker cable (maraming brand, it depends on your budget syempre ;)) parang highway yan, mas mataba yung wire mas maganda ;)
for the sub, usually coax ang gamit. I recommend to use both RCA's on your sub. Mas solid ang tunog. May adaptor na nabibili to accomodate 1 input RCA to 2 output RCA. hope this helps :)
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pwede pamalit ang mga tubes na ito: 5R4,5V4, 5W4, or even 5Y3,
yung 6H23, pwede palitan ng 6922, or 6dj8...
Hi Sir Tony,
Have you already tried replacing the tubes? im just curious, may malaking difference ba in terms of sound quality using those tubes above? Thanks ;)
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Hi Sir Tony,
Have you already tried replacing the tubes? im just curious, may malaking difference ba in terms of sound quality using those tubes above? Thanks ;)
actually i was about to ask the same question. malaki ba gastos sirs pag pinalitan?
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ehem... saan po magandang bumuli nito? ;)
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if get them NOS, you might end up spending more than the cost of the unit itself.....the 6H23 will not require replacement any time soon, so with the big tubes....unless you want ot tube roll...
Yes Sir Tony, for tube rolling lang sana, curious lang talaga ako kung may malaking difference ba in sound quality :)
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Any news on the AV-300T? like the one posted na gumagamit ng El84's
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Hi! I am a newbie here and would like to get information on who or where I can upgrade my sakura av-200t tube amp. I was reading this forum and is very interested on the cost of upgrading one (3k?). I will very much appreciate any info (name, store, contact no.). Thanks again and more power
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contact diy_master Sir
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contact diy_master Sir
+1
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Tawagan mo si Anthony
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musta po ang tunog na tubes na ito..on the warm side ba yung tipong hindi nakapagod sa tenga pag tumagal.... na pansin ko kasi sa amplifier ko na maranz 4500 at onkyo medyo bright ng unti ang tunog,,,mas warmer itong pio sx34b ko pero medyo may tupak na di ko alam kung pwede pa maayos!!
(http://yfrog.com/j3piosx34bj)
(http://yfrog.com/0dsx34bj)
kaya pa kayang maayos o bili na lang ng sakura tube amp
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How could I get in touch with Anthony or the diy_master? Any Contact information will help a lot. my contact no. is 09175442688
BTW: I came across a chinese tube amp probably the same manufacturer of the Sakura AV-200T but this one is an AV-400 trademark is "newjomo". It is very much the same in appearance of the Sakura and the specs are:
Real 2.1 channel output
Main channel 80W x 2
I attempted to show an image but don't know how to do it. Buyers/suppliers are required to contact them for the price and probably the minimum no. of units. Anyway check it out at:
http://www.made-in-china.com/products-search/hot-china-products/Tube_Amplifier.html
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For those who want to get in touch with sir Anthony (AKA diy_master):
For fast transaction Call 3577990 or 0921 4697091 TIA! :)
Note: sa mga smart na line you can txt me sa 0908 888 4106. para matawagan ko po kayo sa CP. ty!
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Question po...which would be better for the Sakura Amp...Wharfedale 9.1 or 10.1? I'm planning to get one this weekend, konti lang price difference ng 9.1 and 10.1, just wondering if better to get the 10.1. Thanks :D
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Hi! I am a newbie here and would like to get information on who or where I can upgrade my sakura av-200t tube amp. I was reading this forum and is very interested on the cost of upgrading one (3k?). I will very much appreciate any info (name, store, contact no.). Thanks again and more power
Hi, there, Ultimax!
If you are the same Ultimax in Wiredstate, and if you take up Hypertriode on his enthusiastic invitation to "bring your unit over and let's see what we can do with your Sakura," can you please share the results with us in this thread? Not too many of us know the great Mr. Rivo that well, to successfully solicit such an invitation :)!
With this, plus Sir TonyT's hints at future tube-rolling and mods, great things might be in store for the Sakura AV-200T. It seems the saga of this lowly sub-P4k amp will never end :).
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There's actually no direct (or even related) formula for RMS - PMPO (bullcrap PMPO).. As per definition from National Semiconductor's Audio Radio Handbook "PMPO is the maximum power an amplifier can deliver to a load with sagging the power supply". And as per FCC rule, bawal mag advertise ang amplifier with PMPO ratings, it tends to fool the consumers. Imagine, seeing an amplifer with PMPO rating of 200W/Ch and a 25W RMS/Ch... GRRRRRR kakainis
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I have just bought the sakura a couple of days ago and been listening to it for a total of 18 hours now.I first tried to hook a couple of polk speakers as satellites to a powered MK sub, nice at first but then something nasty happened. The mk gave and what was left was an irritating humming sound. I transferred the polk monitors to a passive subwoofer from my old bose acoustimass, spin some of my audiophile demo recordings and after a few adjustments Hmmm.. quite impressive specially on the acoustic strings and the vocals are clear and decent.
In my opinion this amp will someway serve as an "advent" to peolple like me who loves to listen to pure analog music. I guess I'll stick to it for a while, read more forums, audition other popular tubes, and finally when ready...... be good to my wife..hehehe. :D
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I have just bought the sakura a couple of days ago and been listening to it for a total of 18 hours now.I first tried to hook a couple of polk speakers as satellites to a powered MK sub, nice at first but then something nasty happened. The mk gave and what was left was an irritating humming sound. I transferred the polk monitors to a passive subwoofer from my old bose acoustimass, spin some of my audiophile demo recordings and after a few adjustments Hmmm.. quite impressive specially on the acoustic strings and the vocals are clear and decent.
In my opinion this amp will someway serve as an "advent" to peolple like me who loves to listen to pure analog music. I guess I'll stick to it for a while, read more forums, audition other popular tubes, and finally when ready...... be good to my wife..hehehe. :D
congrats! i'm glad you're satisfied/happy.
aside from you, sir tonyt na lang yata ang alam ko na gumagamit neto. medyo marami na yata ang nasa marketplace
btw i believe hybrid tube amp ito, tubes used sa preamp & rectifier?
enjoy!
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Ako din still using a modified version from Anthony. Its used to power my 1SC BS clones and 2.5 FS Clones alternately depende sa mood. ;D
Yung source ko either laptop CD player or PSP. ;D Nasira kasi dedicated CDP ko and still saving for a replacement.
Maganda ang SQ lalo na sa mids and highs.
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Ako din still using a modified version from Anthony. Its used to power my 1SC BS clones and 2.5 FS Clones alternately depende sa mood. ;D
Yung source ko either laptop CD player or PSP. ;D Nasira kasi dedicated CDP ko and still saving for a replacement.
Maganda ang SQ lalo na sa mids and highs.
I am using the same amp and modification. Not bad for its price. I am still using a DVDP and quite contented already.
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I am using the same amp and modification. Not bad for its price. I am still using a DVDP and quite contented already.
question lang mga sir... is it really there's a huge difference between stocks and modified? if yes ? what is it?
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my Kuring's serving me well. Though i never got the chance to compare the modified version that i have from the stock, nevertheless, happy with it, especially with my beatles remastered from Watts HiFi. ;D
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question lang mga sir... is it really there's a huge difference between stocks and modified? if yes ? what is it?
Let us wait for the experts. I haven't tried the unmodified version. I bought it modified at once.
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this is very subjective....that is why my advice is to give you and your amp time to live together for a while, then mod and see for yourself....no guarantees that you will like the results, except that when you go that route it is a done deal, no going back... ;D
the atraction of this amp is that is is very very cheap....and yet delivers, once you mod it and increases its monetary value, then i am afraid some of the novelty might wear off.... ;D
actually what i'm trying to point it out, kung ok na pala yung stocks then bakit kailangan pang imodify... anwyay as you've said subjective talaga... it really depends on the person's references.
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Wood working is another passion of mine and I met this "charlie" that builds speakers and what impressed me was this gigantic/enormous horn speakers that he built for a rich client. Before he delivered it (weighs about a ton) he gave me a chance to listen and "WOW" it sounded amazing. Anyway I have finally found a design for a horn speaker box (about 40" tall x 12" wide). I need to find a 5 to 6 inch full range "compressor driver" QTS between .2 & .3 . Any information or suggestion is very much appreciated. I would like to know how the sakura will perform with it. tnx
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Yes that's true however my last sentence was a statement. ;)
Anyway I suspect that this sakura amp av-200t is actually "newjomo" av-400. They both look alike but the spec's of the latter is 80w x 2. I have read this european forum discussing technical modifications. Maybe the masters could give us inputs. ???
(http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.topicattivo.com/31713796350-amplificatore-valvolare-av-400-cinese-ibrido-da-50-50w&ei=ZOeuS8fvGYvk7AOA-NHBDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CCAQ7gEwBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnewjomo%2Bav-400%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26rlz%3D1I7ADRA_en)
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No problemo. :D
Strange that this sakura only existed locally hence the av400 have manage to find its way in europe. Both looks exactly the same on the outside except to the brand and wood panels. Anyway thanks for checking it out and I hope to get your professional opinion on what they are up to. ;)
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Just want to share video of Sakura AV200T Hybrid Tube Amp.
Note: I would suggest to use a pair of good headphones or good computer speakers
Enjoy
Please click the You Tube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ)
Thanks for viewing. :)
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Just want to share video of Sakura AV200T Hybrid Tube Amp.
Note: I would suggest to use a pair of good headphones or good computer speakers
Enjoy
Please click the You Tube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ)
Thanks for viewing. :)
nice! ;D
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Thanks :)
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mon hindi ko ma open :(
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mon hindi ko ma open :(
Try mo to sir:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk)
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i have a noob question sirs.. pwede ba ikabit ang turntable dito? ???
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TT ---> Phono Preamp -----> Sakura
i have a noob question sirs.. pwede ba ikabit ang turntable dito? ???
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TT ---> Phono Preamp -----> Sakura
ano cheap but good phono preamp sir?
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ano cheap but good phono preamp sir?
musical fidelity v-lps ;D
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+1
musical fidelity v-lps ;D
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+1
how much masters? and where can i get? :)
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how much masters? and where can i get? :)
there is one in our marketplace
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=113139.0
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pa-OT, Kung may phono input yung amp? Kailangan pa ba ng pre-amp? :)
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mga bro, baka puedeng makahingi ng advice...nasira yung receiver ko,, since pc naman gamit ko sa hometheater, puede ko kayang gamitin yung sakura tube amps para dun sa 5 channels,, im planning to use 3 amps? tnx
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^ pwede kung sa pwede. but consider these:
1. 3 sakura will be worth around 11k.
2. it will occupy a lot more space than a single HT receiver.
3. no remote.
4. may not have enough juice to handle the dynamics of HT.
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@markrenz, you make a lot of sense....i would go for a single unit myself.... ;D
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@markrenz, you make a lot of sense....i would go for a single unit myself.... ;D
oo nga sir. tapos yung complicated wirings pa, etc...
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pero pag may nasira na amp at least 2 channels lang papalitan mo. ;D wag lang masira lahat sabay-sabay which is unlikely naman siguro.
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kakaiba to HT na tube amp although i read somewhere na may gumawa naman, i wonder how would this sound? kaya kaya nito yung scene sa incredible hulk, yung nasa school ground?
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tnx sa mga advice, yung tungkol sa remote, pc naman gamit ko kaya wireless mouse lang okay na. then, meron namang space para dun sa 3 amps. ang problem ko na lang ay yung juice for the dynamics ng hometheater ??? yun kasing receiver ko nasira 3 to 4 months daw pag aantay kasi oorderin pa sa japan yung parts....kaya naisip ko ito as an alternative, maganda sa music... ewan ko lang pag sa movies ???
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any comparison heathkit w4am with pre amp to sakura?
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mga friend pwede ko bang e upgrade ang heathkit na gamit ko? w4am amp at wap2 pre amp salamat
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sir,im a newbee and meron po ako sakura av-200t tube amp san po ba pwede mag pa modify to make it better..hope you guys could help me.. :)
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kay sir anthony aka diy master sir!!!
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sir,im a newbee and meron po ako sakura av-200t tube amp san po ba pwede mag pa modify to make it better..hope you guys could help me.. :)
bakit?ano ba hindi mo gusto sa stock?o ano pa gusto mo iimprove?parang balak ko din kasi subukan yan eh
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ok ba i-pair ang konzert kss-10 500w dito? kakayanin kaya ng speaker?
bale ito setup pang videoke
dvd player ---> Sakura av-200T ---> konzert kss-10
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ok ba i-pair ang konzert kss-10 500w dito? kakayanin kaya ng speaker?
bale ito setup pang videoke
dvd player ---> Sakura av-200T ---> konzert kss-10
Baka the other way around ang mangyari, baka yong tube amp mo ang di makakaya sa KSS-10 speaker. Try mo i-audition to be sure. Dalhin mo yong Sakura mo sa maynabebenta ng KSS-10 at subukan mo. ;)
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kay sir anthony aka diy master sir!!!
+1
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Just want to share video of Sakura AV200T Hybrid Tube Amp.
Note: I would suggest to use a pair of good headphones or good computer speakers
Enjoy
Please click the You Tube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ
Thanks for viewing. Smiley
meron bang hoods run down? hehe
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Baka the other way around ang mangyari, baka yong tube amp mo ang di makakaya sa KSS-10 speaker. Try mo i-audition to be sure. Dalhin mo yong Sakura mo sa maynabebenta ng KSS-10 at subukan mo. Wink
ah ganun ba... ayos pala tong kss-10
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may nagsubok na tanggalin ang tube habang tumutunog? baka decoration lang ang tubo.
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may nagsubok na tanggalin ang tube habang tumutunog? baka decoration lang ang tubo.
Parang nabasa ko yan sa Cayin thread bro!!! No offense to Cayin owners....Peace ;)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,29032.540.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,29032.540.html)
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Gaano kaya katagal ang lifespan ng vacuum tubes ng sakura amp? Saka madali bang makahanap nun kung sakaling masira and how much ang price? nagdadalawang isip kasi ko kung ito o yung AV-502K ang mas ok bilhin... bitin kasi ko sa jvc ax-r97 integrated amp + konzert tower speakers(2x100w) ko ngayon eh...
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may nagsubok na tanggalin ang tube habang tumutunog? baka decoration lang ang tubo.
my Kuring's rectifier, yung bigger tubes got busted, hindi na gumana yung amp, so i guess its not just for decoration. buti na lang Antony replaced it agad.
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Gaano kaya katagal ang lifespan ng vacuum tubes ng sakura amp? Saka madali bang makahanap nun kung sakaling masira and how much ang price? nagdadalawang isip kasi ko kung ito o yung AV-502K ang mas ok bilhin... bitin kasi ko sa jvc ax-r97 integrated amp + konzert tower speakers(2x100w) ko ngayon eh...
I've had mine for more than 8months already, i think ive logged at least 1000hours on it and its still working fine. my rectifier got busted nung bnew pa sya, wala kasi akong AVR i think nag flactuate yung kuyente. pero after that, wala ng problema
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i also have this tube amp..performance wise ...better that may onkyo 606 on music..especially on audiphile music...no need to have subs considering that it can produce quite an amount of lows...it could have been better if its electric consumption is lower...halos pareho lang sa receiver ko eh around 60 to 80 watts.. per watt meter
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sir,puedeng malaman kung anong gamit mong speaker saka cd player na partner ng sakura mo?balak ko din kasi mag try ng sakura eh.9.1 kasi gamit kong speaker.tnx
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sir,puedeng malaman kung anong gamit mong speaker saka cd player na partner ng sakura mo?balak ko din kasi mag try ng sakura eh.9.1 kasi gamit kong speaker.tnx
ako pre 1sc Proac clone gawa ni DIY master. my CDP is just the cheapest cambridge, 340c.
OK yan pre sa 9.1, maganda yang wharfe na yan. ;) i
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ako pre 1sc Proac clone gawa ni DIY master. my CDP is just the cheapest cambridge, 340c.
OK yan pre sa 9.1, maganda yang wharfe na yan. ;) i
cheapest is relative brader hehehehehe
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sir,puedeng malaman kung anong gamit mong speaker saka cd player na partner ng sakura mo?balak ko din kasi mag try ng sakura eh.9.1 kasi gamit kong speaker.tnx
mine naman coax 12 inches paired with laptop computer...ayos naman!!! sarap pang relax...
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Mine is paired with clone 1sc and the source is my PSP. Minsan Ipod pag may nahihiram. Never had any complaints. Smooth delivery and excellent imaging.;D
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Hello po Newbie po ako. may bose acoustimass series 2 ako. medyo luma ok pa sya. nakalagay sa likod nya max 200w receiver pwede po ba ito sa Sakura AV-200T parang gusto kong itong ampli na ito. kaso hindi ako familiar. Also plan ko rin ikabit ung karavision ko na pro-808. thanks
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Hello po Newbie po ako. may bose acoustimass series 2 ako. medyo luma ok pa sya. nakalagay sa likod nya max 200w receiver pwede po ba ito sa Sakura AV-200T parang gusto kong itong ampli na ito. kaso hindi ako familiar. Also plan ko rin ikabit ung karavision ko na pro-808. thanks
check mo Bro sensitivity ng speakers mo...recommended is atleast 90db
Sorry for the typo
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Hello po Newbie po ako. may bose acoustimass series 2 ako. medyo luma ok pa sya. nakalagay sa likod nya max 200w receiver pwede po ba ito sa Sakura AV-200T parang gusto kong itong ampli na ito. kaso hindi ako familiar. Also plan ko rin ikabit ung karavision ko na pro-808. thanks
i don't think it will fit.... For me, Bose spkrs are for SS only and not designed for tubes amp... but if you think na ok naman para sa 'yo then go for it.. much better if you'll bring your spkrs when auditioning this amp..
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check mo Bro impedance ng speakers mo...recommended is atleast 90db
Bro, it ung nakalagay "Your speaker system is designed for use with receivers or amplifiers rated from 10 to 200 watts per channel with 4 to 8 ohm impedance." pasenya di ko talaga alam. newbie lang ako.
Please suggest kung anong compatible sakura amplifier na pwede. thanks.
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Hi Bro, tutunog naman yung speakers mo sa sakura and im definite na kayang pakantahin ng sakura av-200 yung bose speakers mo, but the thing is, you have to listen first to the sounds they will produce, if it will fit enough for your taste then that's it, enjoy your setup and enjoy the Music ;)
As for bro brian mico's advice, its true that speaker's impedance is very important, the higher it's rating, the easier for your amp to drive them, in other words... hindi hirap yung ampli for your speakers :)
Im also a user of Sakura Av-200 and it has been my main audio setup for my room since i bought it, mga 8mos na rin and it never failed to amuse me, it really is a bang for a buck Tube amp ;)
BTW, im also using a very old bookshelf speakers, Onkyo Liverpool D-200II (150wpc, 89db) and a Samsung HD-748 DVD player (as CD player), and their combination is awesome for my taste :)
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Hi Bro, tutunog naman yung speakers mo sa sakura and im definite na kayang pakantahin ng sakura av-200 yung bose speakers mo, but the thing is, you have to listen first to the sounds they will produce, if it will fit enough for your taste then that's it, enjoy your setup and enjoy the Music ;)
As for bro brian mico's advice, its true that speaker's impedance is very important, the higher it's rating, the easier for your amp to drive them, in other words... hindi hirap yung ampli for your speakers :)
Im also a user of Sakura Av-200 and it has been my main audio setup for my room since i bought it, mga 8mos na rin and it never failed to amuse me, it really is a bang for a buck Tube amp ;)
BTW, im also using a very old bookshelf speakers, Onkyo Liverpool D-200II (150wpc, 89db) and a Samsung HD-748 DVD player (as CD player), and their combination is awesome for my taste :)
Nice feedback bro Reynolds... muzta na?
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Hi Bro, tutunog naman yung speakers mo sa sakura and im definite na kayang pakantahin ng sakura av-200 yung bose speakers mo, but the thing is, you have to listen first to the sounds they will produce, if it will fit enough for your taste then that's it, enjoy your setup and enjoy the Music ;)
As for bro brian mico's advice, its true that speaker's impedance is very important, the higher it's rating, the easier for your amp to drive them, in other words... hindi hirap yung ampli for your speakers :)
Im also a user of Sakura Av-200 and it has been my main audio setup for my room since i bought it, mga 8mos na rin and it never failed to amuse me, it really is a bang for a buck Tube amp ;)
BTW, im also using a very old bookshelf speakers, Onkyo Liverpool D-200II (150wpc, 89db) and a Samsung HD-748 DVD player (as CD player), and their combination is awesome for my taste :)
mahusay nga as cd player ito. sa akin ka match nya mp5 at b&w 302. ;)
ops, sorry po sa OT :)
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Thanks po sa reply. ;D
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mahusay nga as cd player ito. sa akin ka match nya mp5 at b&w 302. ;)
ops, sorry po sa OT :)
^^^ plus Samsung HD-748 DVD player (as CD player)
Nice Setup Bro ;)
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hi, newbie here
is anyone familiar with these speakers?
pioneer cs-959
i'm planning to use it with the sakura av200t, pwede kaya?
thanks
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hi, newbie here
is anyone familiar with these speakers?
pioneer cs-959
i'm planning to use it with the sakura av200t, pwede kaya?
thanks
Eto ba yan sir?:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/izz_vgv/12042009028_resize.jpg)
Vintage 1984?
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Sakura Hybrid Tube Amp paired with Harmony X77
You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5hth-SASQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5hth-SASQ)
Thanks for watching. :)
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pwede ba palitan ng leach amp yung ss amp nito?
thanks
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a leach amp can stand on its own but that is another story....
wow yun naman pala haha
newbie here
plan ko kasing gumawa ng leach amp, eh since mapapagastos ako sa transformer, case at big capacitors balak ko sanang gamitin nalang etong sakura at yung preamp niya.
ano po kayang specs ng powersupply? kakayanin kaya yung preamp + amp, or leach amp lang ang kaya niya?
thanks
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Hi! Would anyone know of someone who can make tweaks to this amp? I have a stock version of this amp but after hearing a tweaked version, I feel I need to have my amp tweaked also. I inquired with diy_master but he doesn't have available spare parts right now. Would you know who else tweaks these amps? Thanks!
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pm Sir jojod :D
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Hi! Would anyone know of someone who can make tweaks to this amp? I have a stock version of this amp but after hearing a tweaked version, I feel I need to have my amp tweaked also. I inquired with diy_master but he doesn't have available spare parts right now. Would you know who else tweaks these amps? Thanks!
this just me>
imo, signal path capacitors palitan mo ng mundorf mcap o supreme. usual value nyan 0.22uf or 0.47uf. tas papalitan mo sa marunong maghinang. pwede rin audiophiler capacitor at eleshop ronquillo quiapo. sayang wala na ako spare siemens oil caps. 100pesos each lang.
pwede rin palitan mo ng nichicon yung filter caps (malapit sa power supply). wag mo na gastusan yung ibang caps. baka mas malaki pa sa halaga ng unit ang gastusin mo. bili ka na lang kay mang gerry ng 6dj8/6922 preamp tubes. (i believe thats the equivalent of the chinese preamp tubes of your amp)
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ayan oh pagawa mo kay ojofool...
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ayan oh pagawa mo kay ojofool...
sinabi ko sa post na maghanap siya ng magaling maghinang. hindi ako naghihinang at hindi rin ako nagmo-modify para sa iba.
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Hindi ka pala naghihinang. Akala ko naghihinang ka.
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Eto ba yan sir?:
Vintage 1984?
yup yan nga!
sad to say na nasira ko sya kanina! i hooked it up to a vintage sansui receiver
yung 4-way naging 2 way nalang. bumigay yung woofer and yung tweeter. :'(
worth it pa ba paayos 'to?
sorry OT na
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I finished my final tweak in Sakura Hybrid Tube Amp. I said final because, this is the best tweak I've ever heard. Every details from the music played from the cdp were unveiled from this simple but powerful modification. The ideas came from Mel and the guts of doing the experiment in Sakura was by myself. The You Tube video is just to give an idea on the improvement. However, the actual listening session is better sounding, of course.
Video Of Previous Tweaks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5hth-SASQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5hth-SASQ)older video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljY8Oha7JPA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljY8Oha7JPA) previous video
Final Tweak Listening Tests Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlQXxMK-vQo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlQXxMK-vQo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBGoe_pfMiU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBGoe_pfMiU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFg53-uH13s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFg53-uH13s)
Thanks for viewing folks. :)
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Congrats bro. Just viewed the link.... ;)
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Congrats bro. Just viewed the link.... ;)
Salamat! ;)
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ayos!
magkano inabot lahat for the tweak?
parang mas tumaba at kalmado ang tunog pero mas ok sana kung same music ang ginamit sa lahat ng test ;)
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ayos!
magkano inabot lahat for the tweak?
parang mas tumaba at kalmado ang tunog pero mas ok sana kung same music ang ginamit sa lahat ng test ;)
+1
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ayos!
magkano inabot lahat for the tweak?
parang mas tumaba at kalmado ang tunog pero mas ok sana kung same music ang ginamit sa lahat ng test ;)
Tweak is less than P500. But the principle of the tweak is the one that counts. Simple lang siya pero madami pinagdaanan para maging simple at effective iyong circuit. I used various music in order to show the versatility of the audio set up. Iba kasi maganda lang sa vocals or acoustics. Masasabi ko kasi ok iyong set up kung di namimili ng music.
Thanks for the comment. :)
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maganda sana ma side by side ito sa mp5 :)
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Tweak is less than P500. But the principle of the tweak is the one that counts. Simple lang siya pero madami pinagdaanan para maging simple at effective iyong circuit. I used various music in order to show the versatility of the audio set up. Iba kasi maganda lang sa vocals or acoustics. Masasabi ko kasi ok iyong set up kung di namimili ng music.
Thanks for the comment. :)
Wow, galing sir! less than P500? double-wow!!!
Care to share your tweaks sir? ;D
Thanks in advance.
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Wow, galing sir! less than P500? double-wow!!!
Care to share your tweaks sir? ;D
Thanks in advance.
I love to bro. But the simple design was from the blood and sweat of rascal 101. It is his creation. I just assisted him on the experiment to get the proper sound. He can help you tweak your system at a reasonable price and big improvement. :)
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maganda sana ma side by side ito sa mp5 :)
Kahit Cayin bro magandang compare ito at iba pang Tube or Hybrid Tube Amp. Wala lang kasi location to do the testing. I am from Cavite and just living in an apartment. Sana mayroon taga Las Pinas o Alabang na mag offer. Offer? Parang special offer ;D;D
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Tony, nahimay mo na pala... since one triode lang ginamit ng signal tubes sana you can wire one of the channels to use triode section 2 para pwede pagpalitin lang left and right tubes fresh triodes na naman. But then again, at 3ma baka lolo na tayo buo pa. ;D
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yup, swapping the signal tubes every 6 months i would say, the sections used allows that.... you can even convert this amp to an all solid state amp if one wishes... ;D
those naughty chinese boys surely knows how to play around with tubes.... :D
that should last two lifetimes already! ;D ;D ;D
yup they do, hindi nga naman gagana pag walang tubes... ;D
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all that hype for a tube rectified ss amp? ;D ;D
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I believe Tony meant the tube rects were used for the opamps only, the amp stage has it's own silicon rects in it's psu...
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I believe Tony meant the tube rects were used for the opamps only, the amp stage has it's own silicon rects in it's psu...
nga pala. so replacing these tubes with silicon rectifiers will give save about 20 watts, more available power to supply the amplifier. ano nga pala transistors or chip used for the amp?
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nga pala. so replacing these tubes with silicon rectifiers will give save about 20 watts, more available power to supply the amplifier. ano nga pala transistors or chip used for the amp?
yes, and you also save electricity... ;D environment friendly pa sir... ;D
the power amp is a classic discrete quasi-complimentary class AB amp, on my unit, 2SD717 power trannies were used....
uy classic nga kung naka quasi-comp siya... 2SD717 looks good already no need to replace/upgrade them unless you intend on increasing the rails...
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nga pala. so replacing these tubes with silicon rectifiers will give save about 20 watts, more available power to supply the amplifier. ano nga pala transistors or chip used for the amp?
KTD 718 Korean Made Triple Diffused NPN Transistor
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Tony,
What are the rails on the amp board?
Jojo
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Thanks thanks...
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sir tony, sir jojo tanung curious lang, would replacing the tube rectifiers with silicone types alter also the sound character since i think the tubes give something to it? or hindi? hehehe!
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below is the schematic for the tube rectifiers, one tube for the positive 6volt rail and one tube for the negative 6 volt rail, remember that two rectifier tubes are supplying the input 4558 ic with +/-6 volts, these tubes supplies around 3~4mA current.....what do you think? too much hard work for a measly 80mW consumption!!!
~24 watts spent for a mere 80mW gain..... ???
notice too that the negative rail is a half-wave rectifier whereas the positive rail is a full wave type...
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/tecson/Sakua%20200AV/IMG_0466.jpg)
Tony sobra inefficient naman kung 24W spent (mostly for the heaters) then 80mW lang nagagamit! Besides, a +/-6V supply rails for the opamps is a bit on the low side, it may swing it's output very closely to it's rails. Siguro it's better to change it to a fullwave silicon rect which would be better than a "mestiso" fullwave/halfwave psu? And increase the supply rails for the opamps while you're at it na din. ;D
Lalamig pa yun tranny pag pinalitan mo ng ss rects... ;D ;D ;D
sir tony, sir jojo tanung curious lang, would replacing the tube rectifiers with silicone types alter also the sound character since i think the tubes give something to it? or hindi? hehehe!
no Sir it will not alter the sq, but increasing the opamp rails will - but for the betterment of the gear.
nakupo... powering an opamp with a tube rectifier while saying that it will improve the sound character is like walking naked in a gay bar with a sign saying "Rape Me!" (no offense to homosexuals)...
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agreed, so out with the rectifier tubes, 2 resistors and 2 0.1ufd caps tapped to the exixting +/-12volt rails...
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/tecson/Sakua%20200AV/IMG_0467.jpg)
that's much much nicer for the opamps Tony... ;)
yes, the filament glow...... ;D
the thing that gives the amp its tubey sound are the cathode followers:
although i am not happy with the lowish plate supplies, i will go along this time.
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/tecson/Sakua%20200AV/IMG_0468.jpg)
that sure looks like ala Joe Rasmussen CFs with +/-12V instead of +/-35V ;D
a symmetrical voltage quadrupler might be your best bet for an increased plate supply while using the existing taps in the tranny... ;D
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After replacing the tranny, caps, resistors, tubes and op-amps, I guess you still have a nice casing and volume pot left. :)
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that is why this amp is a DIY'ers friend....lot to tweak, lot's of possibilities, limited only by one's imagination... ;D
Sir sa Pasig ka pa din ba or abroad na? Pag may binisita ko parents ko parinig naman yang Sakura mo...I'll also bring mine. Thanks. :)
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sir pwede po bang yng last post nyo lang ang e mod ko d ko kasi masyadong maintindihan yng iba, ok lng po ba kng yon lng ang e mod
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thanks sir
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i was at RAON this afternoon and I inquire about the price of this product.
The lowest price i got was P3,550.00 and the highest is P3,700.00
Do you think P 3,550.00 was the best price? Maybe you know a store that could give much lower price.
Thanks...
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Lowest price na yan Brader, sa knight audio ako nag-inquire last summer iirc, 3.7k pa noon
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Ah ok pre...
Pero okay ba sa ganitong setup... for AUDIO lang indoor at outdoor
2 X 10" KONZERT 300W Subwoofer / 2 X Horn Type Dai-Chi 200W Tweeter per channel
Kakayanin ba ng SAKURA AV-200T Tube AMP or baka may ibang SAKURA AMP kayo marerekomend
newbie lang po ako sa Audio Setup... pa help po kung may iba kayong idea...
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Ah ok pre...
Pero okay ba sa ganitong setup... for AUDIO lang indoor at outdoor
2 X 10" KONZERT 300W Subwoofer / 2 X Horn Type Dai-Chi 200W Tweeter per channel
Kakayanin ba ng SAKURA AV-200T Tube AMP or baka may ibang SAKURA AMP kayo marerekomend
newbie lang po ako sa Audio Setup... pa help po kung may iba kayong idea...
I never had a chance na makarinig ng ganyang set-up pa Brader, kaya di ko masasabi, si Brader Monreq ang setup nya Sakura tube amp(modified) + audio nirvana full range speaker, imo perfect combo ang tube amp + full range speaker...may speakers ka na ba or bibili pa lang?
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I never had a chance na makarinig ng ganyang set-up pa Brader, kaya di ko masasabi, si Brader Monreq ang setup nya Sakura tube amp(modified) + audio nirvana full range speaker, imo perfect combo ang tube amp + full range speaker...may speakers ka na ba or bibili pa lang?
wala pa sir bibili pa lang
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Try mo etong speaker na Genesis ni diy_master:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,70456.1380.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,70456.1380.html)
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sir, mga pang indoor ito... plan ko sana yung pwede rin pang outdoor
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hindi ako sure na bagay itong amp na to na pang-outdoor...... ;D
+1tb
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+1tb
I have an AV200 for a year and wants to convert it to tube output amplifier (DIY). Anybody there could help me get the schematics and part lists? I am new in radio electronics but can solder and knows a little bit of drawings and schematics. I would prefer an SET low watter design using the power supply and pre-amp of AV200.
Thanks.
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if you want to go that way, just remember that you will be throwing away the power amp section.....if you intend to use the existing torroid, that will have to go under side, and then you need another transformer for the plate B+ and then two output transformers.......i suppose it is possible but be warned that it will be a lot of hard work and you may not like the results if your speakers are not suitable for a set amp.....
if you really want to learn to make your own amps, i am more than willing to help.... ;D
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You are right, the existing torroidal transformer has to go under if it fits, and yes I am removing the entire ss power amp section (so no turning back). I have RTi3 89db or RB3 94db speakers to use and the time to spend with this project. Im sure it would be a lot of work but sure a lot of things to learn. I prefer a low-watter SET using cheap triode tubes, parts, but good transformers for the start. Im new in audio electronics and would appreciate all the help (schematics, specs, etc) suggestions and comments along the way. I would be more than happy to share the results. I will wait for your recommendations then. Thanks.
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You are right, the existing torroidal transformer has to go under if it fits, and yes I am removing the entire ss power amp section (so no turning back). I have RTi3 89db or RB3 94db speakers to use and the time to spend with this project. Im sure it would be a lot of work but sure a lot of things to learn. I prefer a low-watter SET using cheap triode tubes, parts, but good transformers for the start. Im new in audio electronics and would appreciate all the help (schematics, specs, etc) suggestions and comments along the way. I would be more than happy to share the results. I will wait for your recommendations then. Thanks.
Or maybe later on somebody could sell complete upgrade DIY kits to those interested to convert to all-tube amplifier. The kit might contain schematics, pictorial diagram, parts including transformers, and connectors for easy connection to the preamp and power supply.
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I feel that modifying the ss power amp with tubes would not be a good idea after all.
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mga bossing any idea where i can get replacement vacuum tubes 5z4p , 787j , 6922 and 6dj8 para sa sakura. magkano kaya un? tnx mga bossing :)
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punta ka sa wiredstate.com maraming nagbebeta ng tubes doon.....
very conservatively used yung mga rectifer tubes, imagine 6 volts lang ang output nya.... :D
Kasi hybrid siya?
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Mataas ba power consumption nitong sakura av200 Sir tony? pag moderate listening level lng po? ilang watts po kaya?
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hindi naman, at moderate listening levels baka hinid pa lumanpas ng 5 watts sa tantiya ko....
thanks Sir TonyT :)
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sir tony salamat po sa info :)
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punta ka sa wiredstate.com maraming nagbebeta ng tubes doon.....
pero sa tingin ko, malabong mangangailangan ng replacements yung mga tubes.....yung 6922 pwede mo pagpalitin ng pwesto kada buwan, kasi kalahati lang ang ginamit, in effect meron kang spare tubes within the amp itself...
yung rectifiers naman hindi ko maimagine kung paano masisira, maliban na lang kung ibagsak mo at mabasag...
very conservatively used yung mga rectifer tubes, imagine 6 volts lang ang output nya.... :D
is it true mga sirs that this sakura is not good for tube rolling? pano kasi if its not only changing the tubes for replacement perse, but more on changing the character of sound?
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Sir TonyT, modified na ba yung yung tube amp mo or stock pa din?
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bro,me nagbebenta sa marketplace ng modified sakura
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,127239.0.html
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I am really enjoying my Sakura aV 200-T after I use X77 circuitry. Since I want to maximize more its performance, I want to replace the pre amp tubes. The best and safest tube replacement is only Russian NOS 6n2p-EV.
Here is the link.http://tubesky.3hksky.com/6N2.html (http://tubesky.3hksky.com/6N2.html)
(http://www.google.com.ph/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://ussr-tubes.com/images/6N2P-EV.jpg&sa=X&ei=EPQoTZynIY_CcYSqqJoJ&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGhAMPLAuzJn_NjXOTgxYH9371qZg)
(http://tubesky.3hksky.com/Pre-Amp%20Tube/ECC83-66-Russian.jpg)
So kindly PM me if you already have the tube 6n2p EV and has stocks for sale. Thanks.
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ano yung x77? ???
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kala ko descendant ni tony falcon ;D
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hindi naman, at moderate listening levels baka hinid pa lumanpas ng 5 watts sa tantiya ko....
i have measure this amp's consumption using a watt meter.. and it reads 45 watts idle around 60 watts siguro kung playing music that why i bought a t-amp para makatipid sa kuryente.
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@monreq,
do not risk your money, cathode follower lang ang gamit nung tubes, saka kalahati lang ng tubes ang ginamit, pwede mong gawin ay pagpalitin yung 2 tubes, parang rotation ng tires sa kotse para para distributed ang pagkapudpod ng goma, walang gaanong sonic signature yan........
saka yung tanggal kabit ng tubes makaluwag ng socket yan, remember na china sockets yan, meron akong novar 9 pins na nabile ko na brand new, pero hindi magamit unless i re-crimp mo yung pins.....
pag minamalas malas ka at natapat ka sa mahinang tube, posibleng magka humming ka pa....
sabi mo happy ka na sa X77 mods mo......kulang pa rin? ;)
ako malapit ko nang ipamigay yung sakura ko sa pinsan ko, inaawitan kasi..... ;D ;D ;D
in case you are wondering, cathode followers are 100% negative feedback, ayaw na ayaw ng mga audiophiles yung negative feedback....
ang sonic character ay nadedevelop ng "common cathode" tube amps, dyan isinisilang ang 2nd harmonics na kinagigiliwan ng mga tube heads.....
Thanks sir Tony. Alam mo naman ako, I would like to test it first. I don't have plans for tube rolling. I just want to replace the chinese 6n2 with Russian 6n2p-EV if there is available locally. BAsta, i'll update you guys if I already have and test the 6n2p-EV. Theories are helpful in guiding us on decision making. But in real life everything can change. If I maximized the performance of Sakura with X77 Circuit to be more tubely...there is also a possibility that replacing the tube with 6n2p-EV can give better details and soundstage on Sakura. There is no harm in trying as long as the tube is compatible with the amp. The tube is cheap, actually. I just don't want to take the risk buying on E bay to an individual abroad. :)
P.S. I hate tube rolling and I hate chinese tubes. At least, Sakura will be for keeps after the final upgrade on tube. Also, I am not an audiophile Sir Tony, I am a simple audio hobbyist who have passion for natural analog sound. ;)
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@monreq,
the Sakura is a low cost amp that delivers the goods.. ;D...i bought the amp because of its novelty and the fact that it gave me more value supplying me with spare tubes.....
spending more money than what is cost you to acquire the amp is not a wise imho......
if the selling price at the time was 4,500 instead of 3,500 i would probably have not purchased that amp... ;)
you can even buy the same amp for 3000, here, http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,123275.0.html
(http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,123275.0.html)
For me it's the sound that counts. The stock Sakura is basically good. Doing the right modification that will rival the P20K up amps is a steal. As for now, I could say that the sound is near to a real tube amp (not pentode but push pull type tube amp) for me, and others that already heard it. It's insane if I am the only one who can appreciate the sound. If many did appreciate it means, I am on the right track. My point is to rival amps that are in the category of P20K up. So, it's fair enough to spend some to make this amp be a rival of those amps in that category. In D.I.Y, with proper modification,I can have the sound that I really want...and for me my objective is to have the natural analog sound. Sabi nga ni Mang ROd (Trodt Tube Amp creator) "nasa tenga yan panu matimpla ng tama ang tunog ng Amp. Di mo makukuha ang tamang tunog sa computation lang. Kailangan may actual adjustment din na kung saan doon mo talaga maririnig ang tamang timpla. Pero kailangan at pinaka importante marunong ka talagang makinig. Kasi kung hindi, magiging sintunado ang tunog ng amp mo o di tama." Sa audio industry maraming kayang gumawa ng amp, pero konti lang ang marunong magtimpla ng tamang tunog. Kaya kung gusto natin pagandahin and tunog ng set up natin, kailangan muna alam natin ang tunog na tama. Musical Instruments etc. Di natin basta puwedeng palitan na lang ang bawat components sa tweaking. Kailangan din alam talga natin epekto nito sa tunog kung malaki or maliit ba ang effect niya. Trial and error din to get the proper sound. IYan ang natutunan ko kay Mang Rod.
Alam mo yan sir Tony, you are experienced in your field. Ang pinagkaiba lang natin mahilig ako mag explore kahit wala sa libro. Sa totoo lang wala kasi ako pambili ng tube amp ni Mang Rod kaya ako nagkakaganito. Masyado ako nagandahan sa gawa niya kahit nung dati na di pa niya na introduce iyong "interstage coupling transformer." Ewan ko kung iyon nga tawag dun. Basta iyong transformer ni Mang Rod ang nagdadala ng ganda sa amp niya. Kaya nga may ibang tube amp na branded kahit anung ganda, parang walang buhay or manipis tumunog. Kasi nga iyong transformer ang problema.
Cheers.:)
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@monreq,
the Sakura is a low cost amp that delivers the goods.. ;D...i bought the amp because of its novelty and the fact that it gave me more value supplying me with spare tubes.....
spending more money than what is cost you to acquire the amp is not a wise imho......
if the selling price at the time was 4,500 instead of 3,500 i would probably have not purchased that amp... ;)
you can even buy the same amp for 3000, here, http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,123275.0.html
(http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,123275.0.html)
+1
kung hindi lang ako nagtitipid ng kuryente... i would have bought another sakura 200t..i really love how it sounds
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"chinese tubes" yung 5Z4, gamit ng sakura kaya nila naibenta ng mura..... :D
Yes it's chinese tubes sir. Pero rectifier lang naman siya at di input tube or pre amp tube kaya wala masyado effect, di ba? ;)
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update:
changed the stock 6H23 tubes to russian 6H23.......and the winner is...... ;D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1369.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1370.jpg)
a peek into my russian tube stash, sa tagal ng delivery time, naluma na ng husto yung box..... :D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1365.jpg)
Sarap naman yan sir, dami nyan ha.... sobra sobra na yatang stock yan even lifetime dina muubos.... ;D
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Sino panalo sir tony? for sale ba yang russian tubes mo? pwede pahingi? ;D ;D ;D ;D
congrats! ;)
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Tony katuwa naman yun stuff toys, pwede din yan ala bass dampers... ;D
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di ko pwedeng galawin yan, aawayin ako ni wifey...... :D :D :D
naku kahit ano galing sa electronics pag dating diyan wala tayo laban hahaha... ;D ;D ;D
baka sibilant yan speakers mo kaya nilagyan ni misis ng sound absorber sa ibabaw? ;D ;D ;D
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sinabi mo pa..... ;D
kakabitan ko nga sana ng DTX subwoofer, pero sa ganda ng response, buong-buo yung tunog ng kick drum at cymbals tama lang, natapat siguro ako sa magandang recording.....opm yung tugtog, do ko alam yung singer...
ok din pag may sub especially yun mga DTX subs, prices sa buy and sell are too good to let pass. nun isang gabi vst & company at cinderella ang trip ko dito sa bahay ;D ganda naman ng tunog eh...
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oo nga, pero dahil sa mura lang, marami ring ang nang-iisnob sa mga Dai-ichi as being non-audiophile grade, buti na lang hindi ako audiophile........ ;D ;D ;D
hindi dahil sa audiophile yun kaya nang-iisnob... baka naman isnabero lang talaga... ;D ;D ;D
paano pala yan gawa ng Dai-ichi yun Targa sub ko? :D
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a peek into my russian tube stash, sa tagal ng delivery time, naluma na ng husto yung box..... :D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1365.jpg)
sir may nasama b jan na 6p15p, baka pede bumili ng tingi, pm me lang po. :D
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update:
changed the stock 6H23 tubes to russian 6H23.......and the winner is...... ;D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1369.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1370.jpg)
a peek into my russian tube stash, sa tagal ng delivery time, naluma na ng husto yung box..... :D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1365.jpg)
Sir Tony I thought you change the stock tube rectifier of Sakura and change it to SS type? Pinalitan mo lang pala ng rectifier tube na mas maliit, am I right? Ginaya kasi ng isang kasama natin dito iyong modification na ginawa niyo sa Sakura wherein you change the tube rectifier to SS type rectifier. Ewan ko kung palpak pagkagawa niya at di niya nasunod mabuti instructions niyo. Ang panget ng kinalabasan..the sound was so distant, poor imaging. Kaya I told him to return the stock tube rectifier to enjoy his Sakura again, which he already did. So, was that also your reason why you return the Sakura to tube rectified from SS? ::)
In D.I.Y, I realized that having mistakes is normal. Important thing is we find ways to make it better. :)
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Sir Tony I thought you change the stock tube rectifier of Sakura and change it to SS type? Pinalitan mo lang pala ng rectifier tube na mas maliit, am I right?
I think he replaced the cathode follower 6H23 tubes. There's nothing plugged into the former rectifier sockets. Nakapatong lang yung dalawang tubes sa likod at hindi nakasaksak, baka kaya namalikmata ka sa picture.
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I think he replaced the cathode follower 6H23 tubes. There's nothing plugged into the former rectifier sockets. Nakapatong lang yung dalawang tubes sa likod at hindi nakasaksak, baka kaya namalikmata ka sa picture.
Ay oo nga. Malabo na mata ko. :o Akala ko ibinalik niya na or nagpalit siya ng tube rectifier. Ksi may nakapatong na tubo sa likod. ::)
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all i did was to take out 5z4 tubes.....
original tubes yung nasa likod.....i posted the schematics on page 1 getting rid of the tube rectifiers is quite easy since there is an existing +/-12volts rails sa board, all that is needed are 2 isolating resistor and 2 bypass caps to supply one 4558 IC......up to 100 ohms can be used for the isolation resistors and about 0.22 mylar bypass caps.......
next time i will try to replace the 6H23 tubes with the 6H30......before i finally remove the tubes from this amp.... ;D
Idle Hands ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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.....hehehe...wala lang...walang magawa..... :D :D :D
come to think of it, sobrang sulit na para sa iyo yan amp na yan... may napapakinggan ka na may napaglalaruan ka pa diba? :D :D :D
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oo nga.....tinanggal ko na yung mga tubes...hindi na yon babalik pa sa ampli ko......so all SS na yung SAKURA... :D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/tube008.jpg)
susmaryosep wala na naiwan na tubo! ;D
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so hindi na pala Sakura AV-200T yun sir? AV-200 na lang kasi wala na lahat yung tube...hehehe..
By the way sir TonyT, yung sub-out ng amp variable ba ang output nya na pag inadjust mo ang volume control nang amp adjust din level nya? Otherwise kung full-range and fixed ang output sa sub-out, pag kinabitan mo ng powered subwoofer paulit-ulit kang a-adjust volume level control ng subwoofer pag ni lower or pinataas mo ang volume ng amplifier....hustle di ba?
thanks for any info...
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sir price check naman ng sakura av200T.
and saan pwede maka score...
or baka merong nagbebenta ng 2nd hand !
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sa deeco me nakita ako....dito meron 3k ang benta......search mo lang...
Sir tony, same lang po kaya ng components yung Lzban at sakura?
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oo nga.....tinanggal ko na yung mga tubes...hindi na yon babalik pa sa ampli ko......so all SS na yung SAKURA... :D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/tube008.jpg)
master tony OT ka na, tube thread 'to! ;D ;D ;D
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if they look the same, they must have the same internals.... ;D
and they all come from the same assembly house, just rebadged :)
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master tony OT ka na, tube thread 'to! ;D ;D ;D
Tubeless na ang tawag sa amp ni Tony... ;D ;D ;D
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if they look the same, they must have the same internals.... ;D
and they all come from the same assembly house, just rebadged :)
Kasi, I don't just a book by it's cover, but this time, there's always an exemption to the rule, hehehe, pwede! 8)
Tubeless na ang tawag sa amp ni Tony... ;D ;D ;D
Sexxxxy ;)
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Kasi, I don't just a book by it's cover, but this time, there's always an exemption to the rule, hehehe, pwede! 8)
Sexxxxy ;)
Tama ka sir, don't judge a book if you are not a judge. ;D Pero kahit naman sa Audio Space, ASL, Primaluna nangyayari yan, and believe me, hindi lang sa cover, ako mismo nabuksan ko na side by side. Wala naman masama, basta maganda tumunog diba sir?
Heto isang example... Grant Fidelity B-283 Tube Processor...
(http://grantfidelity.com/site/files/images/B-283top_0.preview.jpg)
Ito naman ay Yaqin CD2 Tube Buffer...
(http://hi-end.on9mart.com/products/amplifiers/other_amp/AO-YQ-BUFFER-2bkbk/THA06-photo_03.JPG)
:)
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Oo nga Sir Jojo :o sino nauna dyan sa dalawa ang naunang lumabas? sa tingin ko may cheaper yung Yaqin kasi china made ???
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Oo nga Sir Jojo :o sino nauna dyan sa dalawa ang naunang lumabas?
Sabay! Hahaha! ;D ;D ;D
sa tingin ko may cheaper yung Yaqin kasi china made ???
WRONG! ;D ;D ;D
Pareho lang yan made in China sir hahaha! Meron lang silang agreement ng Grant USA to sell "outside" the US. Kaya kung mapapansin mo yun isa 110V and yun isa 220V. Tama ka na mas cheaper yun Yaqin sir, and mas mahal yun isa.
Ang nangyayari kasi halos lahat ng major designers sa China ang punta when it comes to manufacturing, mas mura kasi doon ang labor costs. Food and shelter lang, sagot na ng manufacturer and training at sagot ng government ang puhunan.
Parang yun sa Primaluna, designed in Italy, pero sa China ginawa ang fabrication and assembly. As with any fabrication gig, it is best na magpasobra ka na ng casing, boards, trannies, etc since it is cheaper that way than to correct if any defects should arise. Now, sa sobrang dami ng surplus ito naman mga kapatid natin Chinese binuo pa din nila yun mga sobra then rebadge na lang hehehe... Basta negosyo go go go hehehe...
Yan ang komunista, ginagamit na ang kapitalismo sa mga kapitalista. Kaya yun mga talak ng talak dito sa atin na galit sa kapitalista ang sarap ipadala sa China eh! ;D ;D ;D
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eyy, dito na lang sa pinas merong komunista..... ;)
mga yuppies na ang karamihan ng mga intsik, nakakabile ng mga mamahaling kotse......
yung gobyerno nila, natuto na,.................pero diktadurya pa rin at one party system.......hindi na nila kailanganng manggiyera........
hay naku, as ussual kulelat pa rin tayo...... :'(
oo nga, ang bibilis pa nila sa production, less kasi ang reklamo. :D
kahit maliit lang ang kita laban pa din, profit by volume na lang. at least malaki ang market shares pag ganun...
Tony, yun simpleng rubber shoes sa marikina/laguna nasa Php230 ang puhunan, yun galing ng China ang street price sa Divisoria Php180 :o
paano kaya nila nagawa yun? baka kasi yan ang solusyon sa problema natin sa Pinas... ;D ;D ;D
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(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/jamants/sd-cd2.jpg)
nakita ko na sya sa market place=5.5k. nasubukan nyo na po ito Sir tony? o mas praktikal sakura tubeamp? aside sa price syempre, ano po pros & cons nya vs. sakura?
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If I may, tube buffer lang po yan sir, wala pa amp to drive your speakers. ;)
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In line tube buffer nga po. pakorek po kung tama config ko:
cdp > tube buffer > receiver > speakers
yung receiver po ba pwede kahit 5.1-7.1 avr?
Sir jojo, di po ba nagawa ka ng buffer(tube or ss)? papm po magkano :)
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In line tube buffer nga po. pakorek po kung tama config ko:
cdp > tube buffer > receiver > speakers
yung receiver po ba pwede kahit 5.1-7.1 avr?
Sir jojo, di po ba nagawa ka ng buffer(tube or ss)? papm po magkano :)
Tama yan sir. Yup pwede naman yan 5.1 or 7.1, kadalasan naman sa mga receiver meron 2.1 selection para pag mag pure audio ka lang.
Mura na yan sir 5.5K, parallel cathode followers lang kasi config kaya matipid sa piyesa, yun sa akin nasa 2.2K yun ss, yun tube using nos 5670w nasa 8K yata.
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Tama yan sir. Yup pwede naman yan 5.1 or 7.1, kadalasan naman sa mga receiver meron 2.1 selection para pag mag pure audio ka lang.
Mura na yan sir 5.5K, parallel cathode followers lang kasi config kaya matipid sa piyesa, yun sa akin nasa 2.2K yun ss, yun tube using nos 5670w nasa 8K yata.
pa-audition creations mo Sir Jojo, papm po papunta sa place nyo, magkalugar lang po tayo sa Val, near Fatima church lang po ako :D
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pa-audition creations mo Sir Jojo, papm po papunta sa place nyo, magkalugar lang po tayo sa Val, near Fatima church lang po ako :D
hahaha asus neighbor lang pala kita! Marulas lang ako sir ;D
ok lang mga end of this week or next week? para habang test ako ng BabyG masubukan mo buffer, yun receiver kasi nakakabit ngayon katamad lang mag reconnect ng pang audio. :D
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hahaha asus neighbor lang pala kita! Marulas lang ako sir ;D
ok lang mga end of this week or next week? para habang test ako ng BabyG masubukan mo buffer, yun receiver kasi nakakabit ngayon katamad lang mag reconnect ng pang audio. :D
lakad na lang ako papunta sa inyo para exercise sa weekend, mas ayus Sir Jojo kasi gusto ko din marinig talaga yung BabyG int amp mo, weekends ayus na ayus sir, inform mo lang ako pag pwede na ;)
Mods: Sorry for the OT mga bossing
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lakad na lang ako papunat sa inyo para exercise sa weekend, mas ayus Sir Jojo kasi gusto ko din marinig talaga yung BabyG int amp mo, weekends ayus na ayus sir, inform mo lang ako pag pwede na ;)
okidok sir, wag naman maglakad baka masobrahan hehehe... sige po PM kita sir at sobrang OT na tayo dito sa Sakura thread. ;D
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gudpm, mga sir, any suugestions for a 3 way speaker system for sakura AV-200T?
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gudpm, mga sir, any suugestions for a 3 way speaker system for sakura AV-200T?
parang mas maganda ata result pag full range speaker like fostex or audio nirvana ang gagamitin w/ sakura Sir?
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Patulong naman mga masters. I`m planning to buy this av200t probably sat or monday to pair it with my aaudio clone 1sc bookshelf. Here is my NEWBIE questions.....
1. What is the average lifespan of those tubes before it get busted?
2. Is there a commercially readily availabe tubes for replacement?
3. In replacing those tubes do i need a technician or parang nagtatangal-kabit ng speaker wires in replacing a busted tubes?
4. Anong power consumption nito?
I have an existing HT & Audio set up gusto ko lang subukan pano tumunog tube amp mura kasi at wala akong budget to buy a real tube amp? TIA
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;D thanks sir tony for the info! ok ng subukan just to feed my curiosity and aesthetics wise gwapo tong av200t for it`s price, just starting out this hobby maybe someday i could buy a pricey real tube amp. ;D
BTW how much kaya price range of those tubes?
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;D thanks sir tony for the info! ok ng subukan just to feed my curiosity and aesthetics wise gwapo tong av200t for it`s price, just starting out this hobby maybe someday i could buy a pricey real tube amp. ;D
BTW how much kaya price range of those tubes?
Depende sa tubes bro ? usually ang mahal eh yong kung tawagin eh NOS tubes. mapa preamp, output o rectifier yan kasi medyo mahirap hanapin. Maganda din naman yong mga new production tubes. Para sa AV200T mo, try mo call A-Audio kasi meron ata siyang tubes para diyan. ;)
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hi bros
i have a 200t which i have used for less than 30 hours total then boxed it
after some time in storage, i used it again but after an hour or so of playing a cd theres a loud "grounded" sound which then disappears
brought it to raon but the tech didnt find anything wrong with it
listened again. same loud "grounded" sound midway of a cd. ano kaya problema?
tia for the help ;)
kung may iba source ka (tuner), try mo din para ma-isolate talaga problema.
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sa raon lang ba makakakit nitong av-200? parang masarap subukan, mura lang kasi
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3995 sa deeco, pero meron dito nagbebenta 3000 lang....look ka lang sa buy and sell hardware....
ayt thanks sir tony
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im having issue with my av200t, pag 2 nakaplug na source kahit naka off ung isa nagkakaron ng white noise/pink noise. may work around ba para dito or modification na pwede gawin?
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I have sakura av200t. it preforms very well. i hope this can answer all the questions i've read. first, mahal sa deeco. 3990, mas mura sa tapat ng deeco. i got it 3500. mabait pa ung chinese guy and he has the direct contact with the factory of sakura. maraming lumabas na fake sakura tube. ung chinese na kausap ko may paper na authorized sya as dealer and pwede syang magreport sa lahat ng fake sakura. Walang pwedeng gumawa or mag-ayos ng defective sakura sa raon. puro simple remedy lang ang gagawin nila. ang sabi ng dealer, kukunin nya muna ang unit at ipapadala sa factory kahit masaira ang tubes. Yun ang dapat na makausap nyo. baka ang nabilhan nyo ng sakura tube amp ay hindi registered.
Correct also sa sinabi ng isa natin member na from 30-40 watts lang sya. hybrid amp. hindi talaga na maximize ung lakas ng tubes. And in terms of A-Audio or si sir anthony ang may stock ng tubes, (correct me if im wrong) si sir anthony po ay pwede mag-modify ng buong sukura tube amp. nag-tanong na rin ako sa kanya, and sabi nya, mga 20 percent ang pwedeng i-ganda pa ng sound sa mga modifications na gagawin nya.
For 3 months of break-in, ung pang third month makikita nyo ang difference. As in! But try to have a decent BS speakers. I jas bought my D1 speakers last March 12 kay sir anthony, you know what? it really performs well. malalim ung bass, the mid-range and tweeter, perfect! timplado. i placed the volume at 7 o'clock for i week then 8 o'clock in this second week. With my estimation. Sakur can drive speakers from 30 to 100 watts. dont ever use it in a much higher watts coz it will only disappoint you.
ung isang question naman about more than one inputs. its already my 3rd day using Sakura tube amp with my turntable and cd player. I jas realized if both the cd player and the turntable is playing, there's a little hum. example: im playing my turntable in the cd slot of sakura, so before you switch the sakura selector to dvd ( which is playing an audio cd) you will lower the volume di ba? so ginawa ko yun until its off. i can still hear a song humming at the speakers before i turn the selector to dvd from which my cd player was hook.
hindi ko rin malaman kung bakit may feedback na ganun. kung talagang magaling din ang gawa ng Chinese, sana nakita nila ung dilemma nun.
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brader tonyt ibig ba sabihin parang t-amp with tube buffer tong av200t?
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Very well said sir tonyT...
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Very well said sir tonyT...
sir MajorKonig, saan mo pala nabili yung av200t na 3,500.Any info sir, pangalan ng store, or tel. no? Planning to buy one. TIA.
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Inquiry lang po mga master, ppwede po bang gamiting itong Sakura Av200T as a karaoke amp?
PLano ko bumili ng Kumyoung karaoke tapos kakabit ko dito sa sakura then speakers. Pa advice naman po. Thanks
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Inquiry lang po mga master, ppwede po bang gamiting itong Sakura Av200T as a karaoke amp?
PLano ko bumili ng Kumyoung karaoke tapos kakabit ko dito sa sakura then speakers. Pa advice naman po. Thanks
imo, hindi sya amp made for karaoke purposes, unang-una low wattage lang sya, around 20watts rms or lower pa ata? 2nd wala syang microphone in. merong konzert 502 na for sale sa market place, yun pwedeng pwede pangkaraoke brader.
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sirs, tama ba ang title ng thread? tube amp nga ba ang sakura av200t? para sa kaalaman ng mga newbies like me thanks po
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sirs, tama ba ang title ng thread? tube amp nga ba ang sakura av200t? para sa kaalaman ng mga newbies like me thanks po
ngek, kaw pa Sir Rene ::)
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solid state amp ito na nilagyan ng tubo..... ;D
i wouldn't even call this a hybrid, walang kinalaman yung 6H23 sa power amp section, ginamit syang buffer circuit....
thanks, o ayan mga newbies...hindi de-tubo yan!
ngek, kaw pa Sir Rene ::)
;D ;D ;D
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pwede yang balak mo, lalo na kung meron ka ng av200, pero kung wala pa at bibili pa lang, yung electown na 502, P2,950 sa deeco mdron ng mic input pang karaoke...
Salamat po sa mga sagot mga masters. Actually kabibili ko lang po kahapon kay Sir Anthony ng modified Sakuras, kasabay ng D1 at Videoke speakers. Plano ko nga din talaga bumili ng Konzert502a amp dedicateds sa karaoke kaya lang baka sakaling umubra din itong sakura na nabili ko since amp din naman sya. Anu po kaya ang magiging disadvantage nito kung sakaling gamitin ko siya as Videoke Amp? madali kaya sya masira kumpara sa 502a?
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Salamat po sa mga sagot mga masters. Actually kabibili ko lang po kahapon kay Sir Anthony ng modified Sakuras, kasabay ng D1 at Videoke speakers. Plano ko nga din talaga bumili ng Konzert502a amp dedicateds sa karaoke kaya lang baka sakaling umubra din itong sakura na nabili ko since amp din naman sya. Anu po kaya ang magiging disadvantage nito kung sakaling gamitin ko siya as Videoke Amp? madali kaya sya masira kumpara sa 502a?
supermanster,
pwede yan gamitin bilang amplifier, pero dapat sa gagamitin mong dvd/videoke player ang microphone input.
ganyan ang ginawa ko. tapos i-hook mo ung videoke speakers that you bought from anthony. tapos sa audio settings ng dvd player mo ikaw mag-adjust ng echo, equalizer, etc. until you appreciate the sound quality...
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Mga sirs,
Would anybody know if this sakura is bridgeable? Has anybody tried to bridge this amp?
Thanks in advance.
cmagalona
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thanks sir tony. kahit papano, tumunog ulit ang sakura.
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sir tony yung av-200t ko bakit yung isa channel mas mahina ang tunog kaysa sa right channel? I have tested it only once a few months back then naitago ko na ok naman sya nun then pinaandar ko sya kagabi nung umpisa walang left channel pero pagnilakasan ko volume nagkakatunog naman mahina nga lang. Binaligtad ko na rin ang input baka kako yung cd player pero ganun pa din.
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Sir Tony, replacing the 6h23 with other tubes won't alter the sound much right? not worth tube rolling? I have extra 6n1 tubes kasi, can I use those in place of the 6h23?
Iba pa ba yung 6h23 sa 6h32?
Thanks sir :)
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sir tony, meron pa ba tayong dapat gawin sa loob? as what you've posted...
possible replacements for those peanut tubes:
6922, 6DJ8, 7DJ8, 6BQ7, 6BK7, 6H23, ECC88, etc.
to avoid the tubes getting busted as in the case of MajorKonig, the unterminated pins should be soldered to the corresponding pins of the active half...
filaments are in parallel so there is no way to turn off the filament of the unused half, meanwhile cathode poisoning is a real possibility as what happened to George's amp.
of course simply replacing the busted tube is easy.....
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sir tony yung av-200t ko bakit yung isa channel mas mahina ang tunog kaysa sa right channel? I have tested it only once a few months back then naitago ko na ok naman sya nun then pinaandar ko sya kagabi nung umpisa walang left channel pero pagnilakasan ko volume nagkakatunog naman mahina nga lang. Binaligtad ko na rin ang input baka kako yung cd player pero ganun pa din.
Hi Sirs,
I'm having the same problem as stated by sir jun2 above. Is there anything that can be done to fix this and is it worth the trouble of having it fixed at all? I have been using my unit sparingly and usually at low volumes, I'm wondering what could have caused this.
Sir TonyT, do you still do modifications of this amp? Been reading back on this thread and I found out that you do some mods on this amp. I wonder if I can bring my amp to you for repair of said problem and modification too?
Thanks.
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ok you can bring your Sakura's to my place for some check-ups...
Thanks Sir TonyT. Will PM you when I have the time to bring it to your place.
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Hi sorry can't back read na super bagal kasi ng pocket wifi, just wanna ask guys kung sinu pwede mag mod ng sakura namin for our store please PM me nalang how much. We are using kasi that amp to drive our demo speakers :D Thanks masters ;)
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Mga sir newbie question po, i just recently acquired a sakura av-200T, my first taste in tube amps. I noticed n ung left side n tube mas maliwanag ang glow nya kaysa s right tube,although parehas nman ang output sa speaker btw i'm using wharfdale 10.1, is it normal po ba or my problema sa tube,so far maganda sq ng sakura clear ang vocals.thanks mga master
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this is not strictly a tube amp, but rather a "tubed" amp.....the speakers are driven by 25watter solid state amp, jojoD's baby G has more power....
do not pay too much attention on the tubes, eye candy lang ang mga yan.....
Parang buffer lang siya?
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yes, cathode follower yung 6N2 tube,
ok ito, parang Joe Rasmussen ang principle..
supply naman ng 4558 ic yung 2 5z4 tubes...
ito naman lame hahaha... magkaroon lang ng gamit yun mga rectifier tube. sabi nga sa kabila, "grave misappropriation of parts..." ;D ;D ;D
EDIT: pero sabi nga nila, walang basagan ng trip - yan ang trip nun designer eh so let it be... :D :D :D baka naka-inom ng Tsing Tao beer habang nag design... peace! ;D ;D ;D
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this is not strictly a tube amp, but rather a "tubed" amp.....the speakers are driven by 25watter solid state amp, jojoD's baby G has more power....
do not pay too much attention on the tubes, eye candy lang ang mga yan.....
thanks sir TonyT
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i'm interested in this amp i really liked how sir Tony described it:
"that is why this amp is a DIY'ers friend....lot to tweak, lot's of possibilities, limited only by one's imagination"
and he has enumerated the lists to be modified also, so pwedeng project sa future
he also said:
"the Sakura is a low cost amp that delivers the goods.. ...i bought the amp because of its novelty and the fact that it gave me more value supplying me with spare tubes.....
spending more money than what is cost you to acquire the amp is not a wise imho......"
talagang malaking bagay ung price nya na affordable talaga
sir monreq and sir Jojo and others have provided good insights as well
After reading what has been said, discussed and discovered (both good and bad) about this amp would you still recommmend it? Is it good enough in stock form? if ever kasi i would like to enjoy and familiarize myself with it's sonic qualities first before modifying it?
hoping for some responses
thanks
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Audition, if you like it as it is, then go get it. It's your hard earned money so you have to like it to buy it.
I think you'll be able to test it in some shops in Raon area.
Good luck sir!
:)
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Bilis nito mabenta sa shop !
Sakura AV-200T powering the Duevel Planets :D
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l258/Pure_1600/401130_327845967257184_281866661855115_878302_1979010952_n.jpg)
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thanks for the replies,aal are appreciated
sir Jojo you're right, why buy it if you don't like pinamigay mo na rin ung pera mo kung ganun. medyo mahirap lang magtesting sa Raon at maingay ung place pero kailangan before buying
sir tein, nice gear you have there. me shop ka ba? available ung amp? thanks
sir Tony, the "cheap" price is really it's selling point kaya nagkainterest ako. thanks for the tips vet helpful talaga
hope to hear from the others, too
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sir Tony, what do you think should be done to the ecaps you mentioned? thanks
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sir Tony, what do you think should be done to the ecaps you mentioned? thanks
i'm guessing replace with poly caps. or install poly caps parallel to the ecaps, value about 1/100th of the ecap.
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wow, wala ng matitira sir Tony?
i'll start with the basic mods muna siguro after familiarizing with the characterof the amp, then ask na lang for help pag mahirapan ako
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this is not strictly a tube amp, but rather a "tubed" amp.....the speakers are driven by 25watter solid state amp, jojoD's baby G has more power....
do not pay too much attention on the tubes, eye candy lang ang mga yan.....
tony, i'm intrigued as to what the popular dared mp5 uses the tubes for. pardon the ot.
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tony, i'm intrigued as to what the popular dared mp5 uses the tubes for. pardon the ot.
+1
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not tony but the MP5 uses the tubes as cathode follower. personally verified this.
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so does that mean it's not a tube amp in the true sense? ???
edit:
read somewhere:
DARED MP-5: The most popular DARED amp.. Hybrid design
A stylish tube hybrid amp
Tube pre with MOSFET output with per channel
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not tony but the MP5 uses the tubes as cathode follower. personally verified this.
yes, cathode follower yung 6N2 tube, supply naman ng 4558 ic yung 2 5z4 tubes...
given na naman na tony=jojo ;D
cathode follower is like a tube buffer right?
so parang same lang config nila ng sakura?
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given na naman na tony=jojo ;D
cathode follower is like a tube buffer right?
so parang same lang config nila ng sakura?
+ 1, so same sila na Cathode Follower
wow, this is interesting
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given na naman na tony=jojo ;D
naku hindi sir, malapit na mag super sayan level up si tony eh...
cathode follower is like a tube buffer right?
so parang same lang config nila ng sakura?
yes and yes sir.
which is also the same (more or less) as Joe Rasmussen's hybrid gainclone.
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so does that mean it's not a tube amp in the true sense? ???
it never was. ;)
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i might need to read up on the tube pre and a buffer. thanks, goku!!
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the MP5 is much like Joe Rasmussen's implementation of his hybrid tubed gc. his JLTi is a tube ccs loaded cathode follower.
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my friend needs your help
the power switch of his sakura AV-200 amp got stuck so it's always ON and cannot be turned OFF
need to unlug the cord to turn it OFF
anybody know if the switch can be repaired or if there's an available part sa electronics shop if it needs to be replaced? tinanung nya ung binilhan nyang store di magawa eh at wala raw nung switch
thanks
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that's a pretty generic push button switch iirc. those used in the old crt TVs would do.
baka tinatamad lang yun store na binilan ng friend mo.
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thanks for the replies
sir Jojo, me alam kau store sa Raon pwede mabilhan nung push button switch pang CRT TVs?
sir Tony, nakabaon po ung switch di nga po gumagalaw kahit pindot-pindotin namin. isip ko nga buksan ung ilalim para silipin ung switch kaso di ko naman alam gagawin pag nakita ko na, any ideas po?
pasyalan ko sya ulit pag nalibre ng oras, sa ngaun di nya ginagamit at baka lalo raw masira
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docrob :
Are you going to buy a unit in the near future? Pasabay? ;D . The unit at the marketplace was sold outside PDVD. Bummer, I was next in line na...
The av-200T looks good for sourcing parts for DIY projects.
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hi sir, i already went to Jem's at Raon. they have one with a tag price of 4.1K pero me tawad pa hanggang 3.8K
my friend is offering me his sakura with a stucked-up power switch, tingnan ko ulit muna kaya rin ako nagtatanung dito ;D
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okay. Jem's for me then. ;D
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Good day mga Sirs, help naman po sa SV-200T ko. Pag-on mo parang basag ang tunig na mahina. pag tumatagal eh lumalakas, pero garalgal ang tunog. sa tube na ba to o sa unit na talaga. TIA!
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Good day mga Sirs, help naman po sa SV-200T ko. Pag-on mo parang basag ang tunig na mahina. pag tumatagal eh lumalakas, pero garalgal ang tunog. sa tube na ba to o sa unit na talaga. TIA!
both channels? try swapping the tubes first.
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hi sir, i already went to Jem's at Raon. they have one with a tag price of 4.1K pero me tawad pa hanggang 3.8K
my friend is offering me his sakura with a stucked-up power switch, tingnan ko ulit muna kaya rin ako nagtatanung dito ;D
malayo po sa bituka yan sir, ang masama yun ayaw mag power on. :)
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Thanks for the replies sir Jojo and sir Tony, really appreciate it
pero problema nung pinuntahan ko kanina and test namin ayaw mag power On :(
though he swears tumunog daw dati, hirap pag kwento lang kasi buti na ung nakita ko na hindi nga tumunog
so i opened it up, wala naman akong nakitang sunog na parts, checked the fuse ok naman, proceeded to the power switch di rin sunog so unscrewed it and paghila ko nung knob wala na pala ung spring sa loob nung switch
i'll try to find a switch sa raon within the week sana meron
baka meron din kayung alam na shops na nagbebenta nito:
me markings na
SW-2 TV5
8A/129A 250V
thanks uli masters
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DocRob : Try shorting out the switch in the meantime. Pag tumunog, close the deal na
;D ;D ;D
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yes fantom, i was planning todo that kanina pero ayaw nya eh
buti pinauwi nya sakin so gawinko yun just to find out if it's working
found a switch in ebay, store is located in HK but doesn't ship to RP..........bummer
sana meron dito
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Can you post pic of the switch?
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those types of amps have jellybean switches. kung tipong ganito meron sa raon, or as sir tonyt said kahit sa neighborhood repair shops.
(http://www.surplus-electronics-sales.com/Zencart/images/products/280-1043%20Push%20Button%20Switch,%20Micro,%20DPDT.gif)(http://www.gd-wholesale.com/userimg/58/2818i1/push-button-switch-740.jpg)
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Thank you mga Sirs, both chanel Sir. Diko sure kung ano kasi problem. na swap ko na mga tubes, ganon din. i don't know naman yong sa switch. sino kaya pede magrepair mga Sirs. TIA! :)
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hello masters, eto po pics ng switch when i opened the AV-400 amp:
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/714.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/715.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/717.jpg)
then nakita ko ito sa net same design but lower value of only 5A kaso they won't ship to the Philippines:
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/SPSTswitch.jpg)
BTW, eto pic nung power amp board with large heatsink parang iba sa loob ng Sakura AV200T iba kasi value nung 2 big caps? or same lang din? ???
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/719.jpg)
comments and suggestions please?
salamat po ;D
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oh that would be sweet sir Tony, i would gladly take your offer so that i can also meet you and perhaps have the chance to listen to your Tube projects :D
pa PM na lang po nung address nyo sir
BTW sir, you posted this before:
power supply caps for the SS output stage are rated at 35vdc.....so that rails could be anywhere from +/-25 to +/- 30 volts, therefore this amp can deliver about 48 watts average per channel into an 8 ohm load...per my estimates....besides, the power traffo seem just about right for a 100watt amp...
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/SakuraAV-200Tpowersupply.jpg)
magkaiba po layout and value nung 2 big caps (50VDC 3300uF) dun sa AV-400 amp, me significant difference po ba compared sa Sakura?
Thanks again
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ah ok, then that's the difference between the Sakura AV-200T and the SAV-400
will be in touch with you sir Tony
Thanks
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Very common yan switch na yan sir, dami ko din dito niyan dati... :D
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u can get the switch from a discarded AT computer psu, matitibay ang mga switch noon...or from discarded old dvd players....i have some of those i can even give you for free it you can come to the house to pick it up...
master T namimigay ka rin ba ng tubes? ;D
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Very common yan switch na yan sir, dami ko din dito niyan dati... :D
common pala locally, atleast me mapagkukunan
salamat sir Jojo
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Good Day Sir Tony, Umiilaw naman mga tubes lahat. yong swith okay din, selector okay din. lahat Sir okay. Problem ko lang yong garalgal na tunog. mahina pa sa umpisa, pag uminit na, eh lalakas na din, pero garalgal ang tunog. Thanks po ulit. :)
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cold solder
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update:
good news: i shorted the switch to check if there's power and it has. the tubes also glowed so i immediately hooked it up to a generic dvd player and old Pioneer 3-way component speakers and boy it sounded good in my ears. sobra ngiti ko dahil gumagana at maganda tunog for me ;D
bad news: hindi balanced ang music na lumalabas sa 2 speakers, malakas at buo sa right speaker while sobrang hina at hindi buo sa left. tried swapping the tubes but still the same result ???
pareho kami ni sir allanxtreme ng problema :'(
but that didn't stop me from enjoying the amp, ole blue eyes Frank Sinatra was singing in front of me and he sounded good and real to me
i know with the masters here in PDVD, particularly sirs Tony and Jojo who are always in this thread, the problems of this amp will be resolved and i can't wait to have i up and running in tip-top condition
sir Tony, anyday next week i'll visit you and have you look at my amp para maayus na sya. i'll notify you in advance. thanks sir
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papa tony worth it ba sakura?
how much naman ung mga tube kung need ireplace?
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ok. we'll see, pwede ako mga bangdang friday next week....
salamat sir Tony, see you next week (friday)
sir raider, meron benta sa selling ng modded sakura 3k lang
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salamat sir Tony, see you next week (friday)
sir raider, meron benta sa selling ng modded sakura 3k lang
naka next in line ako hehehe
gusto ko lang maexperience ung tube amp
is this better with the old amp available sa pier?
anu magandang speaker ang babagay dito?
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sir, advice lang better read the whole thread becauseit's very informative ;)
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update
i was able to source the 2pin push button switch at raon, kailangan lang sabihin na pang TV P45 at Deeco
bought also an electra contact cleaner baka kasi ung left channel ng volume potentiometer eh madumi lang kaya mahina at pangit pero no luck ganun pa rin. ung right channel konting pihit lang ang lakas agad at buo
time to bring it to sir Tony for check-up tomorrow afternoon
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this sakura amp that dacrob brought me is an entirely different sakura altogether.....
1. input selector is digital type...
2. the 2 x 5Z4, big tubes do not serve any purpose...
3. the 2 small tubes, both sections are now connected.....
4. i counted 14 ecaps in the preamp board, another 2 in the input, and 2 in the power amp boards..
the good news is that rails are now higher at about 32volts so that about 45watts per channel is possible, compared to the other's 25watts of power.....
it looks like those amps brought in by chino would be a better buy.....
sir TonyT, Is this the AV400 or AV200?
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i saw an AV400 marking on one of the boards...
tnx sir!
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thanks for the update sir Tony,
eksayted na ako, yahoo!
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finally, my amp was repaired by sir Tony and he also did some mods i requested
spent the whole day listening to it play beautiful music (to my ears), parang nasa harap ko sina jacintha, jheena, susan, sitti, frank etc naiyak ako....................................................................sa tuwa at mangha
as was mentioned by sir Tony, the AV-400 has a different design than the Sakura AV-200T though they share the same casing. also, the AV-400 uses 6N1P tubes compared to the 6H2 in the Sakura
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/SakuraAV-200Tpowersupply.jpg)
Sakura AV-200T
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/719.jpg)
AV-400
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/010.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/011.jpg)
14-pin IC in AV-400 found in multiplexers instead of 8-pin IC 4558
before pics (stock)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/006.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/019.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/021.jpg)
with 4558 ICs
after mods:
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/059.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/061.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/062.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/063.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/067.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/069.jpg)
with 5532 ICs and socket
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/054.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/055.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/057.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/058.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/072.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/073.jpg)
i believe sir Tony would explain his mods
maraming salamat sir ;D
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thanks sir Tony, for an amp that cost P3000 including the repair and "preventive" mods you made i'm a happy bunny (my ears agree) :D
no problem leaving the two 5Z4 rectifiers in there even if for show only, maganda sya tingnan pag dim lights haha very soothing "eye candy"
very satisfied indeed with this bang for the buck amp
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mga sirs,
when i saw the sakura av-200t sa showroom ng sakura/crown.. natuwa ako. for its price, looks, and sound (the sales lady paired it with crown speakers)... binabalak sanang bumuo ng simpleng 2.1 para sa masters bedroom ko. what "budget" speakers can you reco na babagay dito.. wharfdales, polk tsi?
i tried reading the whole thread but mostly about modifications siya. i have no plans of modifying it. any reco's would greatly be appreciated. salamat!
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agree with sir Tony
i'm using an old car speaker which i mounted in a bookshelf, it's an a/d/s 300i plate speaker 5-100watts 90dB sensitivity and boy does it sing
i also tried my vintage Akai SW-35 fullrange TL speaker iba ang labas ng vocals pero i'm reserving this for my vintage tube amp match kasi due to it's high sensitivity
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Sirs any idea where I can purchase this amp aside from raon? Where is the Sakura showroom? Appreciate any info, thanks
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its a 27 pages thread.sarap basahin....
wala bang shortcut? ;D
gusto ko bumili pero takot ako sa raon.basta malayo sa edsa i rather die :P
il read the whole thread maybe sa di-uf ko na lang ;)
sir tony,expect for me this month or the next ;D
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if you are interested in one please choose the AV400 over the Sakura AV-200T, it has higher power around 45watts compared to the 20watts of the AV200 due to higher voltage in the rails
i had sir Tony do preventive mods as well as light upgrades to mine as you can see in the pics in the last pages and i enjoy using it on a daily basis
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if you are interested in one please choose the AV400 over the Sakura AV-200T, it has higher power around 45watts compared to the 20watts of the AV200 due to higher voltage in the rails
i had sir Tony do preventive mods as well as light upgrades to mine as you can see in the pics in the last pages and i enjoy using it on a daily basis
thanks.il keep that in mind.no time for backreading as of now.just asking how will i know i get the av400 series and not the 200?
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gusto ko bumili pero takot ako sa raon.basta malayo sa edsa i rather die :P
bakit naman takot ka sa raon bro? ;D madalas ako dyan.
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same ang exterior design ng Sakura AV200T at AV400, difference is ung color dark ang sakura at light naman sa AV400
of course ung malalaman mo rin sa markings on both front and back
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/AV-400-1.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/sakuraav200.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/sakav200.jpg)
Sakura AV200
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/072.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/073.jpg)
AV400
iba rin ung sub out nila if you will look closely
puro Sakura ang tinda sa Raon (Jems, Deeco, etc)
not sure kung meron pa si paul aka tein of Sound and Vision sa banawe ng AV400 ask nyo na lang sya
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same ang exterior design ng Sakura AV200T at AV400, difference is ung color dark ang sakura at light naman sa AV400
iba rin ung sub out nila if you will look closely
puro Sakura ang tinda sa Raon (Jems, Deeco, etc)
not sure kung meron pa si paul aka tein of Sound and Vision sa banawe ng AV400 ask nyo na lang sya
big thanks! il pm tein later.
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bakit naman takot ka sa raon bro? ;D madalas ako dyan.
basta malayo sa edsa naliligaw ako ;D
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dito ako sang-ayon kay sir tony. sa warranty at iba. eto lang po ang masasabi ko. in my honest opinion, hindi naman po ginawa ang isang amplifier kung hindi pinag aralan ng mabuti... May ibang company na gumawa ng amp para mag-isip ang buyer na mag-upgrade. capacitors and etc... Ayaw ko po mag-sabi ng brand pero in the first place, bakit sila nagbebenta ng pang up-grade? Better if each and every one of us will start asking those persons who are in authority if the amp or the set-up that we are building is appropriate to our taste. Mag sama tayo ng ibang tao, outside of our audiophile world, if they will appreciate it. Malimit ang sasabihin nilang ok lang!... Di ba parang kulang ang assessment nila?. Kasi iba ang way kung paano tayo makinig. Kung feeling nyo parang audiophile sya mag-assess, may alam yon di ba?! Kaya nasa, owner ang assessment kung ok na ang set-up para sa taste nya...
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plain and simple about sakura av200t... Napundi ang small tube ko sa harap... Ano ginawa ni si tony?
palit ng tube. 2 sa harap. konti lang ang gastos ko at narinig ko ang pagkakaiba sa tunog ng stock...
well, its just me. and even sir tony can attest to that. na-satisfy ako ng pinalitan ng tubes...
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i believe it was sir Anthony who does modifications for clients of the Sakura amp but not any more since that was a long long time ago. if you backread you can see how he does the modifications (change all ecaps to audiophile grade etc) and clients would buy brand new ones and have him mod it immediately then claiming "night and day" difference from the stock
it was sir Tony and sir Jojo who dissected the Sakura amp thoroughly which led to it's true identity and unveiling of it's weaknesses and shortcomings which the chinese cleverly hid from the public. sir Tony even gave pointers and tips on how to make it better and simpler and last longer
it just so happened that i got a NOS unit with a defective left channel which i posted here in the hope of someone helping me and fortunately that person was sir Tony. after waiting for his schedule to clear he was kind enough to take a look at my amp and did some preventive work to make it last longer. if you will read the post of sir Tony in this page when he worked on my amp he refrained from doing "modifications" to retain the character of the amp
soon a vintage tube amp will be arriving at my doorstep. i already consulted sir Tony about the things i'm planning to do, i.e, recap, change resistors, fuse, power switch installation etc and in one of our PMs he said one thing that stucked to me - " kung okey naman ang function ng amp mo, then no need to recap and replace resistors. meron bang issues ang amp mo?" he was right, hindi ko pa nga natatry ung amp upgrade na agad nasa isip ko. anyway, it's good to know that if i do find any problems with my new amp sir Tony and the others here would certainly lend a helping hand
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... mod it immediately then claiming "night and day" difference from the stock ...
i am not a believer in "capacitors and magic chokes".....they are audio voodoo as far as i am concerned....i believe in well-engineered amps..... ;D
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Sirs ive inquired about the Sakura av200, from the showroom they mentioned that they do not carry the av400 a bit weird coz that was their showroom but don't carry their own brands? But its available from other retailers? From what I read this seems like a good entry level amp, Savin up for it then will dive into the purchase
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Sirs ive inquired about the Sakura av200, from the showroom they mentioned that they do not carry the av400 a bit weird coz that was their showroom but don't carry their own brands? But its available from other retailers? From what I read this seems like a good entry level amp, Savin up for it then will dive into the purchase
may showroom na ba ang sakura? saan?
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that's correct, Sakura only carries the AV200-T. Baka mas mura pa sa Raon kung malapit ka dun
iba kasi ang naglabas ng AV400 at limited quantities lang according to my friend who knows the supplier of the AV400. unfortunately, the last time i talked to him around march or april pa eh out of stock na yung AV400 at yung Lzban AV03 na lang ang meron just like yung benta sa selling
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,165940.0.html
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may showroom na ba ang sakura? saan?
meron dun sa bldg tapat ng robinsons galleria pero ung av200t nila 4500 sa raon 3500 lang
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yes sir mark, nasa website nila:
http://sakura.com.ph/pages/Visit-our-Showroom.html
"The difference between professional and amature amp builders is pros use inexpensive parts as possible and develop unique (good) sounding amps. Amatures pick too many expensive parts and end up with less attractive (flat) sounding amps." - Mr Ohshima, former manager of High-End Department of Sansui.
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that's correct, Sakura only carries the AV200-T. Baka mas mura pa sa Raon kung malapit ka dun
iba kasi ang naglabas ng AV400 at limited quantities lang according to my friend who knows the supplier of the AV400. unfortunately, the last time i talked to him around march or april pa eh out of stock na yung AV400 at yung Lzban AV03 na lang ang meron just like yung benta sa selling
http://www.flippish.com/happy-endings-erika-padilla/2012/07/01/
eto ang masakit sa part ko.kaya nag-aalangan ako pumunta ng raon dahil bukod sa zero idea ako sa lugar baka wala rin akong abutan na av400
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^pagka-alam ko, a certein Chinoxxx a pinoydvd'er brought in those units here so that your best bet would be to buy those from members here also, and i do not think there are many of those...but from what i saw with dacrobs unit, the AV400 is much better that the AV200....
yes sir tony as what ive seen and observed base on discussion,i believe that the 200 and 400 series of this sakura have lots of difference most specialy on performance.kaya nga po 400 ang target ko in case may bala na ang pitaka at ready na sumugod sa raon. :D
at maraming salamat sa info tungkol sa ka-pdvd natin.sa kanya pala galing ang mga ito
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Mga boss so sure na meron din sa raon ng av 200 or 400? San kaya duo? May contact details ba ng Tao? Also am not very familiar with the place peri Kung meron nung 400 at mas mura kaysa sa showroom ng Sakura Mismo eh Kahit dayuhin ko at mag taxi or commute eh Gagarin ko:) any suggestions? Thanks!
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as i have said before, puro Sakura AV200 ang nasa Raon
Me nakikita pa ako sa Jems (P3500-3800) at Deeco (P4250)
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thanks docrob ;D
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no problem, yung Jem's nasa corner ng Gonzalo Puyat (formerly Raon) and Evangelista
Jem's Appliance
601 Evangelista Corner Macabulos Streets, Manila
(02) 733 2911
tawagan nyo muna
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would you guys recommend the Sakura AV-200T vs a full-on, multi-channel HT AVR? the AV-200T seems capable of powering even big floorstanding speakers! :o
kaya napapaisip ako tuloy. ::)
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no...
thanks for the advice. :D I'll go ahead with an avr. ;)
on the side note, I might still consider this for a music only or pc audio setup.
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thanks for the advice. :D I'll go ahead with an avr. ;)
on the side note, I might still consider this for a music only or pc audio setup.
pc audio pwede kaya lang pag active speakers hindi
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pc audio pwede kaya lang pag active speakers hindi
I know. I'll have to use passive bookshelfs then. ;)
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I know. I'll have to use passive bookshelfs then. ;)
yes ang advantage ng av200t may sub pre out ;D
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Has anyone tried the Lzban av-03 tube hybrid amp? I have one and I found the sound very good for it's price. Similar siya sa Sakura av200T which I also had before. Any other comments on this Lzban? Tnx
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Lzban Tube amp pics.
I do not own this amp. found the pics on the net. it was selling for 3,900 pesos.
just answering sir tony's request for pics. :)
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electyonic! ;D
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ahahahaha! you noticed that too. ;D
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hahaha common denominator nga ang word na yan sa Sakura, Lzban at AV400 lol
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Hi,
I am new here. I want to ask for your opinions. I am planning to use a Sakura AV-200T for the following;
1) Audio for video filre streamer
2) For Turntable (is there a phono out for this unit)
3) Audio for radio/tuner/CD device
I want to know if this is feasible, most especially if it has phono out for my TT.
Thanks!
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this amp won't cut it for your needs. walang phono input at 3 lang line level inputs. saka hindi naman ito totoong tube amp. abang ka na lang ng vintage amp for sale dyan.
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this amp won't cut it for your needs. walang phono input at 3 lang line level inputs. saka hindi naman ito totoong tube amp. abang ka na lang ng vintage amp for sale dyan.
Salamat sa replies nyo sirs!Sige, abang abang na lang ako ng vintage amp.
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i'm using it with a cheapo TT no problems naman, also with a vintage sony DVD player
still using it, happy naman sa tunog nya
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i'm using it with a cheapo TT no problems naman, also with a vintage sony DVD player
still using it, happy naman sa tunog nya
Sir, what kind of TT do you use with the amp? It works well even if the Sakura does not have phono input?
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Good day to all...Newbie here
Have just bought SAKURA AV-200T yesterday at Shockwave Marketing in Raon for 3.5K.
With its better sound (nearly tube sound?) compared to my AVR during music play, it's really a bang for the buck.
My teen daughter says 'Parang Live Band ang sound..'
While my wife say's 'Ang linis ng tunog..' Whoa! parang WAF (wife approval factor na)
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Good day to all...Newbie here
Have just bought SAKURA AV-200T yesterday at Shockwave Marketing in Raon for 3.5K.
With its better sound (nearly tube sound?) compared to my AVR during music play, it's really a bang for the buck.
My teen daughter says 'Parang Live Band ang sound..'
While my wife say's 'Ang linis ng tunog..' Whoa! parang WAF (wife approval factor na)
Is this Hybrid Amp, the specs says 2 x 200watts output??? Is this rms value?
Congrats Bro! You're only just begun......
http://sakura.com.ph/products/AV%252d200T.html (http://sakura.com.ph/products/AV%252d200T.html)
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pmpo....... ;D
??? ???
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what can you expect from rails of +/-25volts? ;D ;D ;D
power in equals power out. can't do magic numbers. ;D ;D ;D
the point here is that, it is not the watts that count....... ;) if the owner is happy with his sakura, then that is it.... ;D
parang si JPE lang... :D
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what can you expect from rails of +/-25volts? ;D ;D ;D
the point here is that, it is not the watts that count....... ;) if the owner is happy with his sakura, then that is it.... ;D
So it means po nasa 30-40wrms lang yun... ;)
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the funny thing is (no pun intended) most people believe the label on the box... but what's important is that they are happy. :)
gusto ko happy ka.... ;D ;D ;D
o diba... ;D ;D ;D
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I once had a modded sakura av200t amp and Im pretty happy with it until i heard the real TUBE sound ;D ;D ;D ;D
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gusto ko happy ka.... ;D ;D ;D
Especially kung merong WAF support!!!
This is the first happiness then looking for more!!! Don't attend Sessions mapapariwara ka ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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[/quote]Recently bought this amp, it sounds fine but somehow kung mapapaganda pa sana SQ nya. Anybody knows who can tweak this and magkano kaya ang magagastos kung sakali? Help would be gladly appreciated. TIA braders
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under warranty pa?
the selling point of this amp is low cost....unless me issues ka, i wouldn't recommend to touch it....after a year mabe pag expired na yung warranty....
Copy sir sayang din ang warranty baka biglang bumigay he he!Thanks for the advice. How about changing the tubes for a better one? Ano po kaya pwede ipalit na mas maganda at saan pwede bumili? I noticed kasi yesterday when I played it for about 5 hours nag bago ang SQ nya.
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i am not a believer in tube rolling, you might spend for nothing.....the amps that benefit from rolling are those that were poorly designed to begin with....wala sa pana, nasa indyan yan.....;D
A ok, so wala din pala epekto tube rolling dito. Thanks master for the answers. More power to you!
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just tested this amp earlier sa showroom nila sa ETON bldg (accross galleria along ortigas). ok naman nogtu nya para sakin. and for its price and looks, the wife will approve. ;D
im looking to buy another amp, cdp for our living room. ano po kaya magandang match na speakers dito?
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just tested this amp earlier sa showroom nila sa ETON bldg (accross galleria along ortigas). ok naman nogtu nya para sakin. and for its price and looks, the wife will approve. ;D
im looking to buy another amp, cdp for our living room. ano po kaya magandang match na speakers dito?
if you want a budget stereo 2.0 setup, go for Polk TSi 100's. they're around 8500 a pair.
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just tested this amp earlier sa showroom nila sa ETON bldg (accross galleria along ortigas). ok naman nogtu nya para sakin. and for its price and looks, the wife will approve. ;D
im looking to buy another amp, cdp for our living room. ano po kaya magandang match na speakers dito?
4500 yata dun sa showroom ng sakura pero sa raon 3500 ;D
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i've been using my AV-400 (higher wattage than the Sakura) for around 6months already, still with the stock tubes. No plans of tube rolling since i'm very happy them and i know that this not really a tube amp, not even a hybrid. But it belts out clean and loud music i have no complaints. Aside from the modifications on the unused pins of the driver tubes and bypass caps that Sir Tony did no other mods or upgrades were done. Very satisfied with it, alternating with a vintage Phonola 6AQ5 tube amp
Just use it as it is and be contented. And read the the whole thread even if it's long, you'll learn alot about this amp
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i've been using my AV-400 (higher wattage than the Sakura) for around 6months already, still with the stock tubes. No plans of tube rolling since i'm very happy them and i know that this not really a tube amp, not even a hybrid. But it belts out clean and loud music i have no complaints. Aside from the modifications on the unused pins of the driver tubes and bypass caps that Sir Tony did no other mods or upgrades were done. Very satisfied with it, alternating with a vintage Phonola 6AQ5 tube amp
Just use it as it is and be contented. And read the the whole thread even if it's long, you'll learn alot about this amp
yes, yan ang tamang attitude sa hobby na eto.
basta maganda sa listening ears naten. ok yan.
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Still enjoying this amp. Nagkwento ako sa kaibigan kong OFW sa China about this amp. Nainggit, ayun bumili ng SET na Raphaelites CS30. Nakupo! ako naman ang naiinggit. Pigilan nyo po ako!!!!!
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hahaha if you are really into tubes now read up on the works of sir Tony, Efren, s2kov and the rest of the masters here mas maganda pa ang gawa kesa sa mga banyagang intsik para sa akin dahil walang short cut at daya hehe
then ipon at hingi ka ng favor sa kanila para igawa ka nila ng Proudly Philippine Made ;)
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then ipon at hingi ka ng favor sa kanila para igawa ka nila ng Proudly Philippine Made ;)
signatured and limited edition pa
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lalo na akong na iimpluwensyahan waaaah!
pigil, pigil pa.. kakain ako ng papaya..teka sa seminaryo lang yata iyon...ha ha
Mag eenjoy muna ako dito sa Sakura..poor kids lang po tayo. he he
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good to be here. nice forum
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signatured and limited edition pa
yes sir, i will be honored to have something (amp, preamp etc) made by one of the masters here at PDVD ;)
to the new members enjoy your stay here. basa lang sa mga threads at huwag mahiya magtanung
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Good day mga Sir.
Is adding tube buffer after my source prior my AV-200T will add more tubey sound on my set-up? My source is just Platinum DVD/CD/MP3/videoke player.
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Thanks for the info sir Tony.
So my next upgrade should be into pure tube amp. ipon mode....
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yup, enjoy mo lang yang sakura malinis naman tumunog at matino yan
then backread mo yung mga tube amp project threads dito para maenganyo ka lalo. pag decided ka na contact the masters like sir Tony, edrel and stick, para malaman mo cost. kung marunong ka mag DiY mas makakamura ka pa since pwede ka bentahan ng kit ikaw na lang magbuo ;)
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@all
san ba best place para bilhin ang tube amp na to? ::)
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raon.....
Thanks! :)
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Jems store at the corner of Raon and Evangelista
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@ sakura tube owners, tube masters
would Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 bookshelf speakers sound good paired with this?
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It should. I had Wharfe 9.1's paired with this some time ago. This is based of course with what your ears tell you.
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Yes, they can handle the wharfs
But we would suggest you look for the AV400 version instead. It's more powerful and the design is better than the 200
Meron ata si chino parating
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napuntahan nyo na po ba yung Showroom ng SAKURA / CROWN dyan sa E-ton bldg Ortigas ave. across Robinson's Galleria?
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napuntahan nyo na po ba yung Showroom ng SAKURA / CROWN dyan sa E-ton bldg Ortigas ave. across Robinson's Galleria?
oo napuntahan ko na un pwede mo i-audition dun ung sakura av-200t
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pwede mo ipair yung AV-200T sa crown speaker BF-301 nila. malinis din tumunog.
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pwede mo ipair yung AV-200T sa crown speaker BF-301 nila. malinis din tumunog.
yes sir yun ang match dun maganda tumunog pag un ang nakakabit.
puntahan mo sir ung ang set up nila bf-301 at av-200t
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magkano na po ang BNEW ng sakura av200t?
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Si Rene Rivo may binebentang modified Sakura.
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Si Rene Rivo may binebentang modified Sakura.
sir how much kaya yung modified?
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sir TonyT do you hjave an estimate (range) on how much it will cost to upgrade the sakura (without changing tubes) and what would be the things that needs to be upgraded -
salamat!
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I got to see this at the Sakura showroom at Eton. for some reason, they're selling it for higher than some sellers here in pinoydvd. :-\
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sir how much kaya yung modified?
P8,500.00
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that is what I have, the AV400 and though externally it looks the same as AV200T the internal layout, wiring and component used is different hence the higher wattage rating
in fact, sir Tony was able to open it up and work on it as can be seen on pages 26-28 of this thread
it used to be my main amp before I got my pair of Quicksilver 8417 monos, I may dispose of it at the right price
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that is what I have, the AV400 and though externally it looks the same as AV200T the internal layout, wiring and component used is different hence the higher wattage rating
in fact, sir Tony was able to open it up and work on it as can be seen on pages 26-28 of this thread
it used to be my main amp before I got my pair of Quicksilver 8417 monos, I may dispose of it at the right price
Hi Sir - pa bulong naman thru PM ng "right price" nung AVT-400 mo . . . .
czarsky
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1. although the 5Z4 rectifiers in the picture below does not serve any use i decided to just let it hang in there....clearly visible from the pic that the tube is there only for show...... ;) the chinese did it again.... >:(
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...no problem leaving the two 5Z4 rectifiers in there even if for show only, maganda sya tingnan pag dim lights haha very soothing "eye candy"
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To sirs Tony and Docrob - if pang-show lang yung mga 5Z4 tubes, so pwede ito tanggalin and the AV400 amp would still work? baka kasi mas makakatipid sa kuryente kung hindi nakakabit yung 5z4 tubes.
TIA!
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Doc,
The tubes are still part of the circuit, they're just surprisingly used oddly in this case. I do not know of any self-respecting designer who would intentionally implement it like it was done so. For example, the tube rectifiers would be easily thought of as supplying power to the signal tubes, but wait, they're not... they're there to supply an opamp. ;D Kaya sa nakakaintindi, hindi maiwasan sabihin na palamuti lang sila.
Anyone who would argue that there is nothing wrong about it's implementation is probably right, kanya-kanyang trip lang yan on how you design things, and besides, gumagana naman diba? But like I said, it's just odd to see it that way.
As my friend Frank used to say, they may be a bunch of rectumfriers (pertaining to tube rectifiers) but they sure do have a purpose.... ;D
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Thanks for your replies sirs Tony and Jojo! :)
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Hi sir Tony,
i'm satisfied with the sound of the AV400. Even though it's not a pure tube amp per se, not even a hybrid as what sir Jojo said it still belts out good music powering a vintage Akai fullrange speakers. Sarap makinig even though the Quicksilver mono tube amps are my main amps
i'll try to record a video of it playing music and post it here
Thanks,
Rob
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naibulong na?
i have a good idea of the history of that amp....
palagay ko lang nagsisi yung previous owner.....:D
Yes sir . . . pwede na ung price nya considering na higher wattage at modded na . . .
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I did not ask since I'm not decided yet to buy it :D
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Got a Modded AV200 from Rene Rivo / Hyperaudio. He made audible upgrades as well as adding a Phono Stage Input for TTs. Bang for the Buck TUBED amp for newbies like me!!
Have a sort of review here :-)
http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=27239&p=468556#p468556
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saw 1 today at deeco ever commonwealth being sold for 4.2k:)
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Sir Tony, since I saw that a phono stage input for TT can be included, is there also a way to put a headphone jack in my AV-400? Eversince I bought my Yamaha 673, this hybrid tube amp has been on the sidelines so I was thinking I can convert this to be headphone amp and maybe a turntable amp na din to go with it?
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None as of the moment sir. Tagal na nga eh. Still looking though. Dami na ngang naghahanap sakin.
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Sorry sir wala eh. Haha! Medyo malalayo yung nabentahan ko din. I can lend you mine sir, im not using it for the meantime.
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Linis tubo AV400 version
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I agree. These class of amps must be loved for what they are. If you must spend money on it you are better off saving that for a better amp.
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I’ll be candid. I’d like to get this Sakura/Sakua because it looks cool.
I’m no audiophile (though I can usually tell when something sounds bad). But I’m a pretty handy woodworker.
I have a pair of Wharfedale 9.1 lying around. Also have some pieces of good wood. I figure I can surprise the wife by constructing some nice speaker stands, a hall table, an ipod dock, then have a retro-looking sound-system on top of the table. Wife will use it only to listen to music while she works at home, not for some superfine audiophile experience.
This Sakura seems to fit the bill. I can also probably replace the wood siding with something better looking like dao or kamagong.
I can also solder so, if I get a bit more ambitious, maybe I can tweak the amp by replacing with better parts. Haven’t done a full backread of this thread yet so no idea if this is ambitious. My skill is high-school practical arts level when we soldered together a super-heterodyne thing.
Could someone point me to the part of the thread (too many pages!) where there could be a list of parts? Would also like to know where I can get them. Deeco? Alexan? I have no means of going to Raon.
Is this a good idea or am I just nuts?
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The amp seems to be a good fit for your intentions. I've heard it at home and it has power and good tonal balance. It is thin sounding but nonetheless pleasant. Bass is plenty and the harmonics (warmth, liveliness, bilog) are there. It has enough power for the average bookshelf speakers. Tony T and Rene Rivo have done interesting mods with this amp. i saw a thread at wiredstate.com.
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Thanks, Gino. I can see it may be what I'm looking for.
Here's an ignorant question, please. Will the AV200T drive my Wharfedale 9.1 speakers properly?
The amp is claimed to have a PMPO of 200W so I'd roughly estimate that it would have 20W RMS per channel. The Wharfedales are rated at 100W each. Would I not end up running this amp with volume always at the top end, distorting sound?
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with Sensitivity of 86dB you'll be pushing the sakura on the top end,when i still have my av-200t i usually turn the volume up to 11-12 oclock position w/o any noticeable distortion,but my av-200t is already modified by diy_master,capacitors replaced and volume pot changed to alps.
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with Sensitivity of 86dB you'll be pushing the sakura on the top end,when i still have my av-200t i usually turn the volume up to 11-12 oclock position w/o any noticeable distortion,but my av-200t is already modified by diy_master,capacitors replaced and volume pot changed to alps.
Sorry for being thick about electronics. Are you implying that, if I do not upgrade the capacitors and pots, I will most always have my volume knob at max?
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The AV200 should be able to drive the 9.1. Now when you mean "properly" that I think is the point of contention. I tried the AV200T on floorstanders and it was able to drive them loud enough for me.
Balarila,
If you succeed in changing the sides to real wood like mahogany, kamagong, acacia or what, please let me know so I can have mine modified.
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Sorry for being thick about electronics. Are you implying that, if I do not upgrade the capacitors and pots, I will most always have my volume knob at max?
ohh sorry bout that hehehe, i mean if not upgraded for sure you can still listen to it in low-high volume.you can still use you're wharf with sakura but the only question is how loud is your normal listening level?are you the generous type who likes to listen with your neighbor :) or are you the greedy type that you want your audio just for yourself? hehehehehe.i havent heard the stock av-200T but upon reading its thread from page 1 up to the last page majority agrees that upgrading/mod the components greatly improve its SQ.
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Ha-ha. I'm greedy, Rochie. I guess as one get's older and wiser, we tend to go for the more serene music. (Had my share of Led Zep and Van Halen in my younger years).
I will probably mod it sometime in the future, time permitting. Haven't soldered anything in more than 20 years.
@Chino, sure, will post here if I were able to change the sides. From your message, I take it that the sides are not real wood? MDF with laminate?
Maybe I can do a deal with someone here: Change to wood sides for an innards upgrade!
BTW, I live in Antipolo so I called up Deeco on Marcos Hiway. They say they can easily have an AV200T sent from Raon to their branch if I make a P500 deposit. Cost of unit is P4290.
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Excellent point, ATJr. Many times, we all get carried away with explorations onto the next level improvement not realizing that those incremental stairsteps add up to something not feasible anymore.
I may, for example, find out at some point, while tinkering with the AV200T, that the sum of expenses could have afforded me a fully built and much better amp, at much less trouble.
That's one of the reasons why I will try to enjoy it "stock" first. When I do decide on the mod, it will be for the fun of the mod itself, secondary is the SQ.
In my hobbies, I seldom look at ROI when I buy new stuff and sell my old. I guess I have long ago considered my hobbies as cost centers of joy. I could never cost justify, for example, constructing a Home Theater if I can watch movies in a cinema. Yet I have built (and now rebuilding) one.
But I do see your point. It's always good discipline to keep economics at the back of one's mind everytime one gets the urge on a project.
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I personally am drawn towards stock used items. When i come across a modded item I think wow this guy did some mods and still he is unhappy with it, this must sound really bad.
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it is a misconception that DIY saves you money, simply not true all the time..
How very true!
My other hobby is woodworking. I make all sorts of little projects (boxes, racks, cabinets) and an ongoing big one: 23-foot sailboat.
Would I have saved money if I just bought stock? Absolutely.
So why do I do DIY? Just for the fun of it. Never for economics.
Of course, if the wife asks... :)
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I personally am drawn towards stock used items. When i come across a modded item I think wow this guy did some mods and still he is unhappy with it, this must sound really bad.
That's great insight, Gino.
Learned something today.
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ATJr.,
Well said sir.
Balarila,
Yes, the sides are MDF with laminates. Would'nt mind modifying it aesthetically and put in real wood.
Maybe widen it a little bit. You know what I mean. Let me know. The Deeco price is okay considering you wont have to travel to Raon anymore.
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and may i add, because we can...
would had been a waste if we don't... not to mention the passion involved.
the tube technology if lost to the young would really be a sad thing...
when I was invited to do a lecture on a TESDA workshop I found that the participants, mostly fresh high school graduates eager to learn but lack the passion to see it through. it takes a certain mind set and a little kick in the butt to get them going.
DIY (in whatever field) is a viable alternative to doing nothing, or worse, doing drugs...
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Losing people who know old technology is also my concern. That is why I am relieved to meet craftsmen who are younger than I am. All my doctors, dentists, and service people are younger than I am so I am sure of continued service he he.
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Called up Deeco Raon yesterday and asked to send a Sakura AV200-T to Marcos Hiway. Dropped by today on the way home.
At the store, I was not impressed at the build quality. The fake wood (laminate) had some minor defect at the corner. I didn't mind because the woodworker in me knows I'll have to replace that with some finely milled wood. The volume knob's mark was not aligned with the minimum mark. I tried to pull it off to reinsert at the proper rotation but could not. I feared any more force would tear the whole pot off. If anyone knows how to do this, I'd appreciate some suggestions.
When the store clerk was preparing to hook it up for testing, I saw her dragging a huge pair of speakers. Told her bookshelf speakers will do. She said no because the amps are rated at 200W. I said that's PMPO so it'll probably have about 20W+ per channel. She dragged smaller but still huge speakers. We played some horrible rap music. But I was surprised I could play such volume at only a quarter of the volume dialed up.
A bunch of other guys crowded around awed by a valve amp. When I bought it, one of the guys asked if I got the last one. I said there's plenty more in Raon and told him how to go about it.
Now, at home, hooked it up to my Wharfedale 9.1. Played Tuck & Patti's "I Will".
Man, this is one awesome amp. Patti's voice seemed a lot more leathery punctuated by Tuck Andres' even more metallic plucks. Even the skids across the frets was a pleasure to hear.
Played a few more vocals. Somehow, the voices and orchestra were aggressively velvet. Supple. Firm. But whole and round.
Sorry, I am no audiophile. And I could never convert to words what I feel about music (same way with wines). And this is the first time I am listening to a valve amp, something I have always been skeptical about.
I'm a convert.
And this amp's a treasure.
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congrats.....i suggest you live with that amp for a while before thinking of tinkering with it.....
Tinkering with the innards is farthest from my mind and heart right now, Tony. I'm just so happy with it. Babaw ba?
I will probably make a new wood case for it, though.
Thanks, too, for all your posts. I learned a lot.
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Good day sirs! new in this forum and this "expensively rewarding" hobby of ours. I have been a lurker though in this forum for a long time.
Got to hear the sound of a tube amp in a friend's house and I was really impressed! Patay na! gastos na naman! :)
Search search lang sa internet about tube amps so I landed into this Sakura AV 200T thread. It immediately caught my interest kasi nga mura and maganda naman ang feedback. Punta agad ako Raon to get one. Also bought a pair of TSI 100s and decent cables made in the UK from SnS. CD Player eh lumang Philips. Initially satisfied with the sound pero parang may kulang eh. Di ko ma explain! so Basa basa basa ng threads. Meron mga upgrades suggested, etc., Di ako mapakali...
Until I found the contact details of one of the well respected gurus here at PDVD. ang advise niya is huwag na galawin at di rin sigurado kung ma kukuntento ako sa tunog after the upgrades. besides, gagastos ako ng almost the same with my cost of acquisition ng amp. So there I decided na pagtiyagaan na lang muna at mag research research na lang muna.
hanggang sa balak ko na bumili ng Dared and Cayin. Later on found out na made in China so medjo na turn off ako (No offense meant of course to Dared and Cayin owners).
To cut the long story, I decided to get a hybrid set up (tube pre amp with SS amp) that is locally made. Now I am very happy with it!
My Sakura is definitely a keeper. for its price, looks, and sound panalo na!
Now, I will place it in my office. Upgrades are still not an option unless may masira.
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Ha, ha, David. Looks like I'm following your footsteps.
I now find myself surfing websites like Dared, Cayin, and even Yaqin.
To the gurus here: How do I remove the tubes from the sockets? Do I simply grip the lower part (seems strongest) then pull out? Do I need to wipe my hands clean; i.e. would hand oil compromise the glass?
I'm asking this question because I plan to replace the MDF laminate sides with some nice wood and would prefer to do it without the tubes getting in the way.
I recall when I was in high school we made a superhet receiver and we just recklessly handled tubes then. Never taught if there's a right/wrong way.
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How do I remove the tubes from the sockets? Do I simply grip the lower part (seems strongest) then pull out? Do I need to wipe my hands clean; i.e. would hand oil compromise the glass?
Grip it firmly and pull it upwards. Never make any large horizontal movements or you might damage the pins and crack the envelope.
Wipe you tubes and hands when you're done. Oil would not compromise the glass, tubes have seen worse scenarios and still survive/function.
I recall when I was in high school we made a superhet receiver and we just recklessly handled tubes then. Never taught if there's a right/wrong way.
This must be during the 70's right?
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Ha, ha, David. Looks like I'm following your footsteps.
I now find myself surfing websites like Dared, Cayin, and even Yaqin.
Sir Balarila, looks like I'm also following your footsteps. found some scrap nara planks and planning to make trimmings for my new amp. :)
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Balarila, if you are dismantling the amp, read up on handling charged capacitors safely. From what undertand they contain lethal charges even if amp is unplugged. They must be discharged correctly for safe handling.
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Thanks, Gino.
Yes, I recall from an electronics class back in college a professor demo-ed to us how a capacitor can actually discharge. Good point. Will read up.
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On another matter, someone PM-ed me asking how much I got the Sakura from Deeco for.
It was P4,295. Not sure by how much it would be cheaper in other shops in Raon but, since I live in Antipolo, going to Raon would probably cost me more.
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This must be during the 70's right?
Thanks for the tip, Jojo. Looks like I had the right idea, too.
Yes, I graduated HS in 1976 so that Superhet must've been sometime 1974-5. Had my share of electrocution back then.
Bisto na age ko!
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I saw Sakura amps at Hyperaudio at Calatagan cor Filmore st., Makati City. PM Hyperaudio here for info.
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Thanks, Gino.
Yes, I recall from an electronics class back in college a professor demo-ed to us how a capacitor can actually discharge. Good point. Will read up.
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On another matter, someone PM-ed me asking how much I got the Sakura from Deeco for.
It was P4,295. Not sure by how much it would be cheaper in other shops in Raon but, since I live in Antipolo, going to Raon would probably cost me more.
Sir if I may, saan kayo dito sa Antipolo am here at upper side near Ynares I could be of help and vice versa in terms of wood works, I like to learn wood working skills.
By the way Raon is just a 15min or less train away from Deeco Marcos Hway, kaya ako pag wala dun diretso na Raon :)
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Sir if I may, saan kayo dito sa Antipolo am here at upper side near Ynares I could be of help and vice versa in terms of wood works, I like to learn wood working skills.
By the way Raon is just a 15min or less train away from Deeco Marcos Hway, kaya ako pag wala dun diretso na Raon :)
I live in Palos Verdes, about 500m uphill from Padi's Point. You're less than 15min away. PM me if you want to drop by. You're most welcome to "play". Check out my thread My Home Theater Rebuild Project in Setting Up.
Yes, I've done that train ride before. My constraint nowadays is actually more on time.
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unsolicited advice, if you want to get into tubes, get a straight tube amp, not a half tube, half ss one....go to friend's place with tube amps and then listen, then you ca make up your mind....:D
Thanks, Tony. Will try that one day.
Frankly, I had always been skeptical about tube amps. I only got this Sakura because of the cool retro looks. So imagine my surprise when it sounded great. Even if it were not a "full" tube. Of course, I'm only comparing it with my cheap Nova amp.
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Thanks for the tip, Jojo. Looks like I had the right idea, too.
Yes, I graduated HS in 1976 so that Superhet must've been sometime 1974-5. Had my share of electrocution back then.
Bisto na age ko!
I knew it. ;D
We did the solid state version of the superhet during the 80's for our practical arts. Tubes were still preferred for the transmitters back then because the solid state finals almost always gives out the magic smoke.
Damn, that was a long time ago for me too... ;D
Back to the future.
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I broke in a Sakura for a friend and had it at home for about two weeks. Your impressions are spot on. What we heard are tube harmonics introduced into the chain. Mabilog. Snappy. Each note has surrounding "heat". Aura kung baga. Tonal balance is very good. It has enough headroom for most commercial speakers. What may be perceived as warmth is actually the veiled sound. Forgivable for the price. For the most part I enjoyed the amp and still do when I get to hear one. Congrats.
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masters...question..on an average of about 5 hours a day listening time..how long kaya bago maging busted ang tubes nito?..planning on buying this amp, connect to my laptop via dac...through a wharfedale 10.1 speakers...
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What are symptoms of busted tubes? Para hindi ako cardiacin pag dating ng araw na yun.
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i am here to give the technical side of things....
note that i shy away from giving comments about how an amp sounds,
as much as possible i leave that to the user,
as listening to music is very much a subjective thing...
what sounds good to you may not necessarily sound good to me,
and vice versa....:D
Yes, very subjective. In fact, it may even be psychological. For all you know, I'm enjoying placebo. Just because of all I read about tube amps, I may have convinced myself that this amp sounds fantastic.
Whatever, been listening to a bunch of R&B, soul, and soft rock the past 2 hours. Nirvana!
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John Mayers ang pinagtrippan ko when I had that loaner Sakura.
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Yes, very subjective. In fact, it may even be psychological. For all you know, I'm enjoying placebo. Just because of all I read about tube amps, I may have convinced myself that this amp sounds fantastic.
Whatever, been listening to a bunch of R&B, soul, and soft rock the past 2 hours. Nirvana!
ika nga eh Music touches the soul! As long as you're happy listening to it.
From a newbie that is used to the sound of mini and micro components from Abensons, ipod docks, and mp3 players, malayo talaga ang tunog.
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Mismo, David.
BTW, one of my neighbors and good friend is John Webb. Related?
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I think David Webb = Jason Bourne? ;D
One of my favorites... ;D
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I think David Webb = Jason Bourne? ;D
One of my favorites... ;D
Ha-ha. Didn't dawn on me quick enough.
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I think David Webb = Jason Bourne? ;D
One of my favorites... ;D
Tama sir!
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Planning to move the Sakura amp into the dining room. I'd like to attach it to a cheap source. Someone gave me one of those no-name Android tablets with an SD port. Thinking I can load music onto an SD card and use that tablet as source.
Anyone have any experience doing this? SQ?
Or, are there any cheap media players I can use to play just audio?
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Planning to move the Sakura amp into the dining room. I'd like to attach it to a cheap source. Someone gave me one of those no-name Android tablets with an SD port. Thinking I can load music onto an SD card and use that tablet as source.
Anyone have any experience doing this? SQ?
Or, are there any cheap media players I can use to play just audio?
in my experience mas ok ang SQ ng portable audio player ko before(sansa clip+ and cowon j3) compared to my android tablet/device(kindle fire/htc desire hd).so baka sir meron kayo lumang ipod na hindi na ginagamit mas ok gamitin yun compare sa mga unknown/china brand na android tablet.
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I think David Webb = Jason Bourne? ;D
One of my favorites... ;D
hehe... nice one sir jojo... ;D ;D
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mga boss, ano kaya problema ng sakura ko? bigla na lang nawala yung buong buong sound nya habang nagpapatugtog ako. bigla na lang naging puro kalansing at tunog lata output ng speakers ko?
wala na kasi yung resibo nito at ayaw na tanggapin sa binilhan ko when i called. pinacheck ko sa pinaka malapit na technician sa amin. binentahan lang ako ng mga 2nd hand amp nya. di na daw narerepair mga ganito.
any idea kung ano pyesa nasira dito? may output pa naman sya nag power on pero yun lang tunog lata ang lumalabas.
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Planning to move the Sakura amp into the dining room. I'd like to attach it to a cheap source. Someone gave me one of those no-name Android tablets with an SD port. Thinking I can load music onto an SD card and use that tablet as source.
Anyone have any experience doing this? SQ?
Or, are there any cheap media players I can use to play just audio?
ot:
am not sure if you can install an external dac on your tab. you can probably get a fiio e10 dac to pair with it so it will sound smoother and cleaner.:) 2nd hand might cost you 2k+
back to topic:
there's a sakura at deeco ever commonwealth. i saw 1 last week.:)
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mga boss, ano kaya problema ng sakura ko? bigla na lang nawala yung buong buong sound nya habang nagpapatugtog ako. bigla na lang naging puro kalansing at tunog lata output ng speakers ko?
wala na kasi yung resibo nito at ayaw na tanggapin sa binilhan ko when i called. pinacheck ko sa pinaka malapit na technician sa amin. binentahan lang ako ng mga 2nd hand amp nya. di na daw narerepair mga ganito.
any idea kung ano pyesa nasira dito? may output pa naman sya nag power on pero yun lang tunog lata ang lumalabas.
both channels po ba? paki silip nga po kung nagbabaga ang mga heaters ng mga tubo? pwede kasing nawalan ng supply yun plate or yun heater ng amp ninyo.
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both channels po ba? paki silip nga po kung nagbabaga ang mga heaters ng mga tubo? pwede kasing nawalan ng supply yun plate or yun heater ng amp ninyo.
hi sir jojo, thanks for the reply. yes sir, umiilaw yung mga tubes nya. napapansin ko din, pag power on, umiilaw yung power button sa harap pero parang hindi umaandar yung fan nya sa likod.
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may malaking chance na isa po sa mga power supply ay nag loose, nasira o nasunog. mas maigi po talaga na ihanap niyo ng manggagawa para ma-repair... or baka pwede niyo track down yun service center ng Sakura dito sa atin.
and fyi po nun pinakamalapit na technician diyan sa inyo, na-re-repair naman po yan, baka hindi niya lang alam kung paano... ;D
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Good evening po! Newbie palang po ako sa sounds. Ask Lang po sana ako ng opinion regarding sa nabili ko na Sakura av-200T kanina sa Deeco sa sales st. Manila. Pag uwi ko po ng bahay ay sinubukan ko kagad yun bnew tube amp na nabili ko sa turn table ko pero napuna ko po kagad na mahinang mahina ang volume kahit na isagad pa ang volume level at parang di gumagana ng matino yun amp pati tunog. Ano po kaya ang problem? Yun tube amp unit po kaya ang may problema? Balak ko po ibalik kaagad sa Deeco bukas para sabihin ang problem. Salamat po sa tulong in advance
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Got myself Sakura AV200 din kanina lang at Deeco. For its price panalo na din ito for a decent set-up.
@Aav888
Baguhan lang din ako in this kind of hobby pero palagay ko kaya di maayos yung tunog nyan dahil kailangan mo pa ng phono stage? Im not sure though sir, opinion ko lang. HTH.
Lets wait for the masters input here. ^-^
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Good evening po! Newbie palang po ako sa sounds. Ask Lang po sana ako ng opinion regarding sa nabili ko na Sakura av-200T kanina sa Deeco sa sales st. Manila. Pag uwi ko po ng bahay ay sinubukan ko kagad yun bnew tube amp na nabili ko sa turn table ko pero napuna ko po kagad na mahinang mahina ang volume kahit na isagad pa ang volume level at parang di gumagana ng matino yun amp pati tunog. Ano po kaya ang problem? Yun tube amp unit po kaya ang may problema? Balak ko po ibalik kaagad sa Deeco bukas para sabihin ang problem. Salamat po sa tulong in advance
you need a phono preamp. hanapin mo si rene rivo, meron syang mods para sa phono preamp input.
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may malaking chance na isa po sa mga power supply ay nag loose, nasira o nasunog. mas maigi po talaga na ihanap niyo ng manggagawa para ma-repair... or baka pwede niyo track down yun service center ng Sakura dito sa atin.
and fyi po nun pinakamalapit na technician diyan sa inyo, na-re-repair naman po yan, baka hindi niya lang alam kung paano... ;D
thanks Sir Jojo. Hirap lang talaga pag sa province. unlike sa manila, kabila kabila mga shops at mga service centers.
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3k sir parts and labor na.
boss pwede mag order ng av-200t modified kindly txt me 09266553161
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thanks Sir Jojo. Hirap lang talaga pag sa province. unlike sa manila, kabila kabila mga shops at mga service centers.
You're welcome sir. Madami na din ako na-repair na av200 and usually it is psu related or busted outputs. Hanap na lang po kayo ng manggagawa diyan sa may inyo sir. :)
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boss pwede mag order ng av-200t modified kindly txt me 09266553161
sir afaik hindi na nagmomodify si diy_master ng sakura dahil super busy sa speakers, and 4 years ago na po yung quote nyo na post nya :) :) :) :)
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^rene rivo is selling a modified one with phono stage for 8.5k....
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Kung bag amp no baka pwede trade in and pay for mods. Pm Hyper audio. Si Rene Rico si Hyperaudio.
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Rene Rivo is the man....:D
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Newbie here guys and in need of help. I currently have a nad 325/515 and wharfedale 10.1 combo which i find dark sounding (good for some recordings but not for all) will a modded (by hyperaudio) avt 200 and pairing it with the nad515 and wharfe 10.1 have better sound quality?thanks!
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I interpret dark as thin sounding. You are struggling to see an image. Thin sounding pa din ang Sakura. Pero due to tube harmonics, namamaga ang tunog. I liken this to the BBE effect of the 90s. What you hear is different and maybe pleasant but it is not added detail. It is coloration.
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Newbie here guys and in need of help. I currently have a nad 325/515 and wharfedale 10.1 combo which i find dark sounding (good for some recordings but not for all) will a modded (by hyperaudio) avt 200 and pairing it with the nad515 and wharfe 10.1 have better sound quality?thanks!
how do you plan to pair the av200 with a nad515?
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how do you plan to pair the av200 with a nad515?
sir tony yung nad515 ata cd player.
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Newbie here guys and in need of help. I currently have a nad 325/515 and wharfedale 10.1 combo which i find dark sounding (good for some recordings but not for all) will a modded (by hyperaudio) avt 200 and pairing it with the nad515 and wharfe 10.1 have better sound quality?thanks!
You have already a good combo with your NADs, what is dark for you? Limited highs ba, you are looking for highs(kalansing) in your current set-up? I wonder if you have considered to test/hear other speakers.
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@ndotcom : yup im looking for more treble extension, clearer/faster lows. I also find the nad/ wharfe set up to be too upfront with vocals that other instruments are left behind.
Will a speaker change address the concern?
@ATjr. Nad515 cdp wt d sakura amp :)
Thanks for the help!
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i suggest you bring your speakers to the shop of sir rene. he'll be more than glad to assist you with your auditions:) then let your ears decide.
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in case you missed the technical descriptions of this AV-200, i will run them again...
there are 4 tubes on the chassis, 2 x 5Z4 rectifiers and 2 x 6N2 twin triodes..
the 2 5z4's are rectifiers that supply rail voltages for a rc4558 input buffer ic...
the output of these rectifiers are zener regulated at 6 volts...
the ic drives a tone control circuit with another rc4558 in active configuration,
this other ic however is fed rails off the power amp board via lm 7812/7912 regulators..
the 6n2 tubes are also fed off the regulated +-12 volt rails, configured as a cathode follower,
as we all know, cathode followers are 100% negative feedback circuit with voltage gains around 0.9
this and the use of tone control necessitates use of the rc4558 integrated chips..
cathode followers are not supposed to "color" the sound...
but the fact that very low voltages were used on a tube that needs significantly highish
voltages in order to be in the linear region, then this coloration happens...
the av200 represents a break with all tube design traditions that only the chinese can do... ;) :D
incidentally, just about any type of b9 tubes ca be tried, i used the russian 6n23 in mine...
btw, Chino's sakura av-400 is much better than the av-200 in terms of power, owners of these units are advised to hold on to them... 8)
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san ang service center ng sakura?
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san ang service center ng sakura?
same question here.
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Newbie here guys and in need of help. I currently have a nad 325/515 and wharfedale 10.1 combo which i find dark sounding (good for some recordings but not for all) will a modded (by hyperaudio) avt 200 and pairing it with the nad515 and wharfe 10.1 have better sound quality?thanks!
I have one (modded by Rene Rivo) and its not the right amp if you want to remedy that dark sound. The only tube component of the AV200t is it's Preamp section and the power is still SS. Its a good amp for laidback listening as the Tube filtering renders music to be more warm and musical, its a step up from unmodded AV200s (a very nice step up too!) but it's still a tad dark. Wharfes are power hungry in my experience so the AV200's 20W/Channel output wont really do it for the 10.1's (yup it's just 20-25W; dunno why they claim it to be 200w as my friend measured it).
That being said, Rene's AV200 would be ideal if you're a newbie to Vinyl and Hi Fi as it has a Phono In, Sub Out and 2 extra inputs so you can experiment to your heart's content.
Plus the tube coloration renders most mp3 to be really listenable. Tatagal ka makining kahit mp3 lang source. IME it lessens ear fatigue because of said coloration.
FWIW look for vintage Sansui INT amp with a high watt rating. These amps are really detailed and bright without being grating and can properly drive your wharfes on the cheap.
Just my two cents
:)
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same question here.
san ang service center ng sakura?
They have a website: http://sakura.com.ph/
Maybe you can start looking there.
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san ang service center ng sakura?
sa Eton (tapat ng Robinsons Galleria).. Crown ang name ng store, I inquired before about this amp, and asked yung sales lady na what if magka problem ang amp, sa kanila lang daw dalin :)
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Thanks guys- guess il probably settle for a nad/rega prephono to pair with my nad amp and a speaker change :)
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To those who have opened up this amp, may I have a bit of info?
I plan to do some cosmetic changes to it. Specifically, I'd like to replace those MDF (faux wood) sidings with real wood. I'll also probably replace that black box at the top with some better wood.
Would anyone know if these panels and the box can be removed easily? e.g. by screws? I'd hate to pry them off if they're glued on.
Also, what is inside that black box?
Is that metal Sakura logo at the front removable?
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The box covers the transformers. They get really hot hence they are outside the chassis. I wouldn't change those to wood.
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To those who have opened up this amp, may I have a bit of info?
I plan to do some cosmetic changes to it. Specifically, I'd like to replace those MDF (faux wood) sidings with real wood. I'll also probably replace that black box at the top with some better wood.
Would anyone know if these panels and the box can be removed easily? e.g. by screws? I'd hate to pry them off if they're glued on.
Also, what is inside that black box?
na awitan ng bayaw ko yung Sakura ko after i modded it...maybe 2 years ago...
Is that metal Sakura logo at the front removable?
i do not see any problem there....go ahead and do it.... :D
to remove the top box you may have to lift the power amp board for access, i posted some photos many many pages back...search mo na lang.....
the front panel is removable, not sure about the logos...
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The box covers the transformers. They get really hot hence they are outside the chassis. I wouldn't change those to wood.
Oh, I thought that box is made of wood. Tapping on it, sounds like wood so I planned to use some nicely grained wood instead.
Thanks!
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i do not see any problem there....go ahead and do it.... :D
to remove the top box you may have to lift the power amp board for access, i posted some photos many many pages back...search mo na lang.....
the front panel is removable, not sure about the logos...
Yes, Tony. Saw the photos you took several messages back. I could make out some screws. Just wanted to be sure I'm not missing anything. Salamat!
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sa Eton (tapat ng Robinsons Galleria).. Crown ang name ng store, I inquired before about this amp, and asked yung sales lady na what if magka problem ang amp, sa kanila lang daw dalin :)
thanks
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I am presently dismantling my Sakura to replace the MDF parts with wood.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,182649.0.html
I accidentally snapped off the shaft of the volume pot. Can anyone tell me the specs of this pot so I may attempt to replace it? I'd also like to know if the tone control pots are identical to the volume pot so Imay replace them as well.
Please note I have not been into electronics for more than 20 years so very rusty. All I can recall is that these pots are rated in terms of range of Ohms in variable resistance. As much detail as you can, please, would be greatly appreciated.
Can I find better pots at Decco? I'm not looking at top of the line. Just something better than the stock pots with cheap plastic shafts.
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I am presently dismantling my Sakura to replace the MDF parts with wood.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,182649.0.html
I accidentally snapped off the shaft of the volume pot. Can anyone tell me the specs of this pot so I may attempt to replace it? I'd also like to know if the tone control pots are identical to the volume pot so Imay replace them as well.
Please note I have not been into electronics for more than 20 years so very rusty. All I can recall is that these pots are rated in terms of range of Ohms in variable resistance. As much detail as you can, please, would be greatly appreciated.
Can I find better pots at Decco? I'm not looking at top of the line. Just something better than the stock pots with cheap plastic shafts.
if i remember it correctly my previous sakura is modded/replaced with 100K dual/stereo volume potentiometer alps to be exact,try eleshop or watson baka meron sila alps,i bought an alps single pots couple of weeks ago sa watson di ko lang natanong kung meron pa sila dual/stereo.
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This is the pot:
(http://balarila.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/i-XQGnmFb/0/L/photo%201-L.jpg)
I think the label says B50k. Would that mean a dual-gang 50kOhm pot?
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^yes..
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I think jlester sells alpine pots, not sure of the value though. get 50k or lower, not higher. as i've read high resistance pots may induce more noise and taper the hf response.
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I plan to do some soldering in the next few days to replace my pots. My new case is also nearly done (thread here: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,182649.30.html).
The torroidal transformer looks interesting so I'm encasing it partially in glass. I thought it may look cool if I put a pair of LED lights somewhere inside the transformer case to make the coiled copper wire gleam a bit.
Can anyone show me where to tap into to power a pair of LED lights? I plan to get some low-wattage LEDs and some hookup wire from DEECO to do this.
I'm no expert in electronics but I think I can still solder. Would this be an easy job or too risky for my skill-level?
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I think jlester sells alpine pots, not sure of the value though. get 50k or lower, not higher. as i've read high resistance pots may induce more noise and taper the hf response.
I don't have alps, what I have here is chinese DACT pot (stepped attenuator with SMD resistors). Value is 100k log. But it's not cheap :)
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Thanks anyway, JLester.
The amp is a cheap one so I am hesitant to use expensive parts. Something better than stock would do for me now.
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Yup, at minimal lang ang improvement...
These cheap sealed pots are ok for slight upgrade, already tried them...
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/shkub/IMG_0184-1.jpg)
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Those sealed pots look good.
My problem is I am too far from Raon so my only source is Deeco which sells just the same cheap generic pots.
Someone in this forum offered to look at his old stash. Hope something comes out of it.
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I don't have alps, what I have here is chinese DACT pot (stepped attenuator with SMD resistors). Value is 100k log. But it's not cheap :)
Sir balarila aka Noah ;) (according to Timber, gumagawa ka daw kasi ng mga boats and yacht ;D ). Maganda yan DACT na yan. I think you can still use that, then replace it with an ordinary pot if you intend to sell your Sakura, provided you have extra space for the DACT.
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you can also try this very simple tweak to simulate a logarithmic response from an ordinary linear pot:
(http://sound.westhost.com/p01-f1.gif)
more here: http://sound.westhost.com/project01.htm
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Thanks, Markcrenz.
Nice link. Napa-review tuloy ako ng basic electronics. Buti naalala ko pa ang Ohm's Law at summation of V, I,and R across series and parallel circuits.
Luckily, a member in this forum offered to give me a spare log pot and some 9V LED lamps. This forum really rocks with helpful and generous people.
I plan to install some blue LEDs near the cool-looking torroidal transformer. If I may re-ask: Would anyone here know where I can tap 9volts from to light up my LEDs?
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hello av-200t amp owners...
out of curiosity and after reading feedbacks with this amp, i decided to get one. however, there seems to be a problem with my unit that i need to confirm before i return it.
i noticed that upon power up, i can hear a hum, increasing in volume for about 3 seconds followed by a loud crackling sound. i'm worried that it may damage my speakers. is this thing normal or a defect in the unit?
definitely there is something wrong with the unit. You should return it to where you bought it and dont attempt to trouble shoot as it will void the warranty if it has any.
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hello av-200t amp owners...
out of curiosity and after reading feedbacks with this amp, i decided to get one. however, there seems to be a problem with my unit that i need to confirm before i return it.
i noticed that upon power up, i can hear a hum, increasing in volume for about 3 seconds followed by a loud crackling sound. i'm worried that it may damage my speakers. is this thing normal or a defect in the unit?
nacheck mo before getting it?
try mo muna insert/re-insert mga tubes, baka may loose contact sa pins.
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bring it back...there is an after sales service that you are entitled to...
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Hi guys, Salamat sa mga nagreview, nadismaya at natuwa sa SAKURA AV-200T namin
Share ko lang po ang SHOWROOM namin (CROWN, SAKURA, PRESTIZ, GECKO AND SANUS)
09175091547 and 5140429 and look for Manuel / Val
May mga bumili na rin samin na active dito sa pinoydvd and so far hindi pa naman po sila bumabalik dito samin, if ever kailangan nyo po ng TUBES or Isang UNIT ng AV-200T, tawag po kayo sa number or kung gusto nyo po ng LIVE DEMONSTRATION, bisita po kayo samin.
Eto po magiging address namin sa bago naming lilipatan.
SAINT FRANCIS SQUARE, AG-005 & AG-006 GROUND FLOOR JULIA VARGAS corner BANK DRIVE AVENUE , ORTGAS CENTER, MANDALUYONG CITY.
Baka end of October pa kame makalipat, sa ngayun po nandito pa rin kame sa ORTIGAS so tawag po muna kayo samin.
Maraming Salamat Po!
Eto po picture ni SAKURA AV-200T :D
(http://imageshack.us/a/img20/4453/3rmy.png)
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Hi guys, Salamat sa mga nagreview, nadismaya at natuwa sa SAKURA AV-200T namin
Share ko lang po ang SHOWROOM namin (CROWN, SAKURA, PRESTIZ, GECKO AND SANUS)
09175091547 and 5140429 and look for Manuel / Val
May mga bumili na rin samin na active dito sa pinoydvd and so far hindi pa naman po sila bumabalik dito samin, if ever kailangan nyo po ng TUBES or Isang UNIT ng AV-200T, tawag po kayo sa number or kung gusto nyo po ng LIVE DEMONSTRATION, bisita po kayo samin.
Eto po magiging address namin sa bago naming lilipatan.
SAINT FRANCIS SQUARE, AG-005 & AG-006 GROUND FLOOR JULIA VARGAS corner BANK DRIVE AVENUE , ORTGAS CENTER, MANDALUYONG CITY.
Baka end of October pa kame makalipat, sa ngayun po nandito pa rin kame sa ORTIGAS so tawag po muna kayo samin.
Maraming Salamat Po!
Eto po picture ni SAKURA AV-200T :D
how about Sakura av-400?
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Hi guys, Salamat sa mga nagreview, nadismaya at natuwa sa SAKURA AV-200T namin
Share ko lang po ang SHOWROOM namin (CROWN, SAKURA, PRESTIZ, GECKO AND SANUS)
09175091547 and 5140429 and look for Manuel / Val
May mga bumili na rin samin na active dito sa pinoydvd and so far hindi pa naman po sila bumabalik dito samin, if ever kailangan nyo po ng TUBES or Isang UNIT ng AV-200T, tawag po kayo sa number or kung gusto nyo po ng LIVE DEMONSTRATION, bisita po kayo samin.
Eto po magiging address namin sa bago naming lilipatan.
SAINT FRANCIS SQUARE, AG-005 & AG-006 GROUND FLOOR JULIA VARGAS corner BANK DRIVE AVENUE , ORTGAS CENTER, MANDALUYONG CITY.
Baka end of October pa kame makalipat, sa ngayun po nandito pa rin kame sa ORTIGAS so tawag po muna kayo samin.
Maraming Salamat Po!
Eto po picture ni SAKURA AV-200T :D
(http://imageshack.us/a/img20/4453/3rmy.png)
a look at the back panel will tell us if that is an AV200 or 400...
it is entirely possible that that is called an AV200 but inside an AV400,
we can only confirm by looking under the hood...
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I've been to their showroom several times and also some of their exhibits. What they have are the AV-200.
These were my past visits, not sure if recently they've brought in something different.
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img46/4245/8bfw.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img208/6079/qoyg.jpg)
We don't have AV-400.
Please Visit sakura.com.ph and crown.com.ph for more info.
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BTW, let me correct the specification, It has 1 Active Sub Out, not Passive.
We recommend this Crown Active Sub-woofer http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,184566.0.html
Thank you! :D
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img46/4245/8bfw.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img208/6079/qoyg.jpg)
We don't have AV-400.
Please Visit sakura.com.ph and crown.com.ph for more info.
thought so...the ones brought in by Chino are different, the input selector is digital and does not have a sub out as far as i can recall...
so my unsolicited advise to those who bought units from Chino, hold on to them, they are one of a kind....
you are a chosen few....
for the price, these amps are hard to beat...
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@lonto08, are you selling Crown drivers also? like these jackhammer series?
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@ATJr., Yes we sell ALL Sakura and Crown Products, As I said, We are the Supplier of Crown and Sakura Products in Philippines, so you can buy products from us (Volume or Personal Use)
BTW ATJr.,We are looking for possible dealers here at pinoyDVD, can you help me? TIA!! :D
As far as I know, My BOSS is planning to add 1 another Tube Amp, with higher wattage. But for now, we only have 1 model for Tube Amp which is the SAKURA AV-200T.
Thank you for asking ATJr., feel free to cantact me at 514 04 29 or 09175091547.
-Manuel
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what are the requirements to be a Crown/Sakura dealer?
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@ATJr., Yes we sell ALL Sakura and Crown Products, As I said, We are the Supplier of Crown and Sakura Products in Philippines, so you can buy products from us (Volume or Personal Use)
BTW ATJr.,We are looking for possible dealers here at pinoyDVD, can you help me? TIA!! :D
As far as I know, My BOSS is planning to add 1 another Tube Amp, with higher wattage. But for now, we only have 1 model for Tube Amp which is the SAKURA AV-200T.
Thank you for asking ATJr., feel free to cantact me at 514 04 29 or 09175091547.
-Manuel
sorry no inclination to be a dealer....:D
but i can design for you an honest to goodness "tube amp" and you can have it mass produced in china for low cost....
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wrt to the Sakura AV200, one upgrade i would like to see you apply on your product is that you parallel two sections of the peanut tubes 6N2, pin 1 // pin 6; pin 2 // pin7 ; pin 3 // pin 8, reason for this is to avoid cathode poisoning that happens when triode filament is on and no voltages are applied to the elements of the triode...
another plus is that transconductance is doubled, output impedance is lowered, makes for a better sounding amp....
but the biggest plus i would say is that amplifier downtime is halved...
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that leaves av200t owners in a conundrum: to immediately apply that corrective measure dahil mali yung implementation ng original, or to wait till the warranty is over.
pag binuksan agad to parallel those 6n2 pins, void na waranty, pero tatagal buhay ng tubes.
pag 'di pinakialaman so as to not void the warranty, baka di na rin tumagal ang tubes kasi na-poison na.
habang di pa naaayos ng supplier yung design flaw, what would you suggest to the buyers master tony?
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that leaves av200t owners in a conundrum: to immediately apply that corrective measure dahil mali yung implementation ng original, or to wait till the warranty is over.
pag binuksan agad to parallel those 6n2 pins, void na waranty, pero tatagal buhay ng tubes.
pag 'di pinakialaman so as to not void the warranty, baka di na rin tumagal ang tubes kasi na-poison na.
habang di pa naaayos ng supplier yung design flaw, what would you suggest to the buyers master tony?
i wouldn't call it a design flaw...way i look at it, the designer was not aware of that possible issue....
that is why i suggest the vendor to make that mod in-house before they sell their amps...
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okay let's call it a design oversight then. :)
i agree it's a great suggestion for the maker/vendor. i know you're an expert on these stuff.
back to my question, what do you suggest para doon sa nakabili na or planning to buy na? tweak agad or keep it intact for the warranty? nagbabalak din kasi ako and it would of course help me/us make a better decision.
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not too many people are aware of cathode poisoning....they would rather change caps and do other mods.. >:D
that is why i post that issue here so that owners can enjoy trouble-free listening on their Sakura's...
for those who like to tube roll, just about any 6.3 volt twin triodes can be used....
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wrt to the Sakura AV200, one upgrade i would like to see you apply on your product is that you parallel two sections of the peanut tubes 6N2, pin 1 // pin 6; pin 2 // pin7 ; pin 3 // pin 8, reason for this is to avoid cathode poisoning that happens when triode filament is on and no voltages are applied to the elements of the triode...
another plus is that transconductance is doubled, output impedance is lowered, makes for a better sounding amp....
but the biggest plus i would say is that amplifier downtime is halved...
Okay I'll tell my BOSS about this.
Thank you ATJr. :)
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;D and i am not charging you for that....pro bono.... ;D
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pa post naman po ng drawing kung paano po ito gawin (parallel two sections of the peanut tubes...) no background in electronics. salamat ng marami!
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pa post naman po ng drawing kung paano po ito gawin (parallel two sections of the peanut tubes...) no background in electronics. salamat ng marami!
very easy, just jumper pin 1 to pin 6, pin2 to pin 7, pin 3 to pin 8...
from the underside of the board, pin 1 is the one on the left side of the gap, counting clockwise to pin 9...
really easy as counting 1, 2, 3...mas matagal pa yung pagbaklas, daming screws....
make sure na walang sobrang screws pag katapos....:D
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makaipon sana ako ng maraming lakas ng loob para magawa ko na ito :) salamat uli master Tony.
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^ kung malapit ka sa proj 8 QC tulungan kita.
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makaipon sana ako ng maraming lakas ng loob para magawa ko na ito :) salamat uli master Tony.
Pag labas nyan kina don king markcrenz, VTL na yan amp mo. Di na sakura. :D
^ kung malapit ka sa proj 8 QC tulungan kita.
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Pag labas nyan kina don king markcrenz, VTL na yan amp mo. Di na sakura. :D
very dramatic transformation ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
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^ kung malapit ka sa proj 8 QC tulungan kita.
many will help you sir, go ahead with the suggestion of sir Tony you'll be pleased :D
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Pag labas nyan kina don king markcrenz, VTL na yan amp mo. Di na sakura. :D
Very Tunog Lata? wag mo naman takutin...
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Very Tunog Lata? wag mo naman takutin...
Very Tube Lover.
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PinoyDVD Tube Masters + China manufacturing + nice looking case = profit!
Seriously, pag-usapan na ito. Let me be the first in line :D
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PinoyDVD Tube Masters + China manufacturing + nice looking case = profit!
Seriously, pag-usapan na ito. Let me be the first in line :D
economy of scale, diy is not exactly cheap, mas mura yung mga ready made amps....
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PinoyDVD Tube Masters + China manufacturing + nice looking case = profit!
Seriously, pag-usapan na ito. Let me be the first in line :D
May kausap na ko about this, marami daw uhaw sa AV-200T (Modified), for now ang usapan namin is Supplyan ko sya, then sila bahala sa Marketing and Modification in short, Original Equipment Manufacturer.
:)
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May kausap na ko about this, marami daw uhaw sa AV-200T (Modified), for now ang usapan namin is Supplyan ko sya, then sila bahala sa Marketing and Modification in short, Original Equipment Manufacturer.
:)
Welcome development here...
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Happy Sunday guys !
Nagulat ako may pumunta samin kahapon to buy AV-200T,
Sabi nya meron daw yung kaibigan nya nun pero ibang iba daw yung sa kaibigan nya,
Medyo nakakahiya tuloy kasi yung showroom namin parang bodega kasi mag lilipat na kami sa St. Francis Square, likod ng megamall
and yung ginamit namin na speaker is crown ( hindi pa Hi-Fi)
pero satisfied naman sya :)
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How much ang price AV200T ?
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Happy Sunday guys !
Nagulat ako may pumunta samin kahapon to buy AV-200T,
Sabi nya meron daw yung kaibigan nya nun pero ibang iba daw yung sa kaibigan nya,
Medyo nakakahiya tuloy kasi yung showroom namin parang bodega kasi mag lilipat na kami sa St. Francis Square, likod ng megamall
and yung ginamit namin na speaker is crown ( hindi pa Hi-Fi)
pero satisfied naman sya :)
sir lonto08 kelan kayo maglilipat sa st.francis square? at kelan po pwede mag audition sa show room nyo? medyo madali puntahan yan place nyo.salamat po
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sir lonto08 kelan kayo maglilipat sa st.francis square? at kelan po pwede mag audition sa show room nyo? medyo madali puntahan yan place nyo.salamat po
Advise kita Sir or abang kayo sa mga post ko or sa mga post na related sa CROWN / SAKURA,
Pero baka mga first or second week ng November
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How much ang price AV200T ?
Please refer here
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,184480.0.html
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Advise kita Sir or abang kayo sa mga post ko or sa mga post na related sa CROWN / SAKURA,
Pero baka mga first or second week ng November
thanks sir....abang abang na lng kami....
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Para po sa mga pupunta, kung madadala nyo po yung speaker nyo much better :) sa ngayun kasi out of stock yung pinapares namin na Speaker sa AV-200T namin so ang gamit lang namin is yung mga floorstander na crown hehe :)
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Para po sa mga pupunta, kung madadala nyo po yung speaker nyo much better :) sa ngayun kasi out of stock yung pinapares namin na Speaker sa AV-200T namin so ang gamit lang namin is yung mga floorstander na crown hehe :)
nasa Eton pa rin ang unit nyo ng AV200T?
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nasa Eton pa rin ang unit nyo ng AV200T?
Meron kaso isa na lang ito, nabili ni ObiWan yung isa then yung 2 pcs nabili this month ng walk-in.
Kung sakaling bibilin itong isa dito wala na akong gagamitin sa pakikinig :(
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Sa St. Francis hindi tayo mauubusan ng stock :)
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kailan kayo lilipat? me store blessing ba? :D
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kailan kayo lilipat? me store blessing ba? :D
Baka first or second week ng November :)
advise kita Sir ATJr. kung kailan mag open sa St. Francis.
Bisita ka Sir ahh :)
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Open na po kami sa St. Francis, Punta na lang po kayo ang look for me :)
Manuel Lonto
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mga sirs, i recently got one but my problem is after about 1 hour, a high pitch sound is coming from the both the speakers. medyo nakakatakot lang kasi I am using it in my AN full range...
what could be the case for this? also there is the thud sound whenever I turn off the unit. baka masira AN ko eh.
thanks.
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mga sirs, i recently got one but my problem is after about 1 hour, a high pitch sound is coming from the both the speakers. medyo nakakatakot lang kasi I am using it in my AN full range...
what could be the case for this? also there is the thud sound whenever I turn off the unit. baka masira AN ko eh.
thanks.
baka masyado malapit sa AN mo yang sakura ilayo mo sa experience ko nagkakaroon ng reaction ang AN pag masyado malapit sa mga tubo sensitive kasi. Unahin mo din patayin ang source then wait ka mga 1 to 2 mins. bago mo patayin ang sakura pag bukas naman unahin mo source then yung amp.
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baka masyado malapit sa AN mo yang sakura ilayo mo sa experience ko nagkakaroon ng reaction ang AN pag masyado malapit sa mga tubo sensitive kasi. Unahin mo din patayin ang source then wait ka mga 1 to 2 mins. bago mo patayin ang sakura pag bukas naman unahin mo source then yung amp.
ganun ba bro? sige subukan ko ilayo, medyo malapit kasi yung AN sa amp. thanks
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zero out the volume control before you turn your sakura off, it will help...
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zero out the volume control before you turn your sakura off, it will help...
meron pa din thud sound even if volume is at zero level. sa ibang amps ko naman upon power on meron thud. :(
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^ Kung yung ibang owners walang ganyang problema, maybe yours is a defective unit. That thud could be a DC voltage or an AC spike, either of which could damage your speaker.
baka masyado malapit sa AN mo yang sakura ilayo mo sa experience ko nagkakaroon ng reaction ang AN pag masyado malapit sa mga tubo sensitive kasi. Unahin mo din patayin ang source then wait ka mga 1 to 2 mins. bago mo patayin ang sakura pag bukas naman unahin mo source then yung amp.
You should turn the amplifier ON LAST, then turn it OFF FIRST.
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meron pa din thud sound even if volume is at zero level. sa ibang amps ko naman upon power on meron thud. :(
the tubes have nothing to do with that,
the power amp is a solid state and connected to speakers via relays,
on power down, this relay should turn off quickly,
but on power on there must be a delay of a few seconds,
this the heart of your problem,
ss amps do have turn on/of thuds and so uses a speaker
time delay relay, this is very rare in pure tube power amps...
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Mga masters, ask ko lang po kung ok ba MA BX2 sa AV-200T?
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magkano to kung sa inyo bibilhin?
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Mga masters, ask ko lang po kung ok ba MA BX2 sa AV-200T?
tutunog, pero duda ako, 30 watt ang recommended minimum power,
kung baga sa tube dynaco st70, kung ss, paralleled LM3886 gainclone....
http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/bronze-bx/bx2/#/specification
manghiram ka na lang muna and then hear it for yourself...kung magustuhan mo saka mo bilhin...
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hi sir! im thinking of disposing my sakura amp to upgrade.i purchased it a few days ago lang.
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Patulong naman mga sir. One of the big tubes of my sakura got busted. Ayaw umilaw ayaw n din tumunog amp ko. San po ba nakakabili replacement tube nito? Kasama ba yung itim na plastic sa ilalim ng tube sa replacement tube?
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visit their store at the ST Francis square near SM Megamall...
minsan pag ayaw unilaw ang mga octal tubes, resolder mo yung filament fins, 2 and 8 baka sakali...
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visit their store at the ST Francis square near SM Megamall...
minsan pag ayaw unilaw ang mga octal tubes, resolder mo yung filament fins, 2 and 8 baka sakali...
Natatanggal ba yung pinaka tube dun sa plastc sa ilalim? Mukhang di naman pundido kasi nalaro ng anak ko lumuwag naiikot na yong glass sa pinaka itim na plastic.
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can you post pictures?
karaniwan sa octal tubes lumuluwag ang base,
kaya pag mali ang hawak mo pwedeng malagot yung pigtails sa loob....
kaya merong mga miniatures at compactrons na walang bases, to address that issue...
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@lonto
What speakers do you pair with your tube amp?
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good am, i just got a sakura av-200t sa automatic center greenhills, P4,799 price nila. nag bigay lang sila offer na 24mos o% kaya kinuha ko na. nabasa ko na rin ang thread na almost 30pp, since i'm late comer pag dating sa amp na to, may pwede ba makatulong para ma mods at minimal change ng parts para minimal din cost? been testing it for 5 hrs...thanks...
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i suggest that you live with it for the next 6 months and then ask again...
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ok, ty sir ATJr. sana makayanan ko ganun katagal...
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Here's a more detailed review of Hyperaudio's Sakura Av200T.
http://hearhead.com/hyperaudio-av200t-review/
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Nice review hearhead!
I'll be picking up tomorrow the one with no phono stage from Rene as well.
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merong for sale dito....http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,186737.0.html
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,186888.0.html
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i just got a dead AV-200T......me chance na naman ako magbutingting......:D
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Good PM mga sir,
pu-pwede po bang ikabit ko dito yung konzert 200v ko? 200watts po ata yun speaker.. salamat sa reply!
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gudam sirs,
an officemate of mine asked me to build her a 2 channel set-up, budget is 10 to 12K.. i was thinking of getting her a sakura tube amp, which still gives me an ample budget for speakers..
anong speakers ang mag match kaya dito? please be specifc sa models na ma-reco niyo, thanks in advance!
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I got a pair of used Wharfedale 9.1 in excellent condition from one of the members in this forum. Very happy with my setup.
Also got an ipod cradle from Sulit. Have you also budgeted for your source?
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I got a pair of used Wharfedale 9.1 in excellent condition from one of the members in this forum. Very happy with my setup.
Also got an ipod cradle from Sulit. Have you also budgeted for your source?
thanks for the reco, will try out wharfs with sakura.. malamang brandnew na kunin since she's in a hurry ;D
source will be an ipod/android phone, malamang an ipod dock or bluetooth receiver will do. told her on-top of the budget pa yun, pati a voltage regulor.
how much pala inabot yung ipod dock niyo sir?
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Got a cheap but very nice Maxell Ipod Dock from Sulit for only P800. It can charge while connected to the amp and also includes different cradles for different kinds of ipod.
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Recently bought the hotrod AV-200T from Rene Rivo.
Per balarila, okay na ka match ang Wharfedale 9.1. How about with the 10.1, may nakasubok na ba?
Thanks!
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Merry Christmas sirs! I'm planning to buy a sakura tube amp where can I buy one na ok price and what's the best bookshelf speaker that I can pair with it? Thanks!
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I bought a Sakura av-200T last December. Everytime time I turn it on, there is a humming sound fron my speakers that gets louder that finally terminates to a very loud popping sound. All these happens in a span of about 5 seconds. The av-200T then plays on as usual. I thought this was normal for the av-200T until yesterday when I noticed my Wharfedale speakers giving rattling sounds on normal listening volume. On inspection, it turned out that everytime I turn on the av-200T, the popping sound is actually caused by a huge speaker cone excursion caused by this amplifier. Sad to say, the rubber surrounds on both of my Wharfedales are torn. Can anyone help? Thank you in advance.
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baka may warranty pa yan sir ibalik mo dun sa binilihan mo...
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I bought a Sakura av-200T last December. Everytime time I turn it on, there is a humming sound fron my speakers that gets louder that finally terminates to a very loud popping sound. All these happens in a span of about 5 seconds. The av-200T then plays on as usual. I thought this was normal for the av-200T until yesterday when I noticed my Wharfedale speakers giving rattling sounds on normal listening volume. On inspection, it turned out that everytime I turn on the av-200T, the popping sound is actually caused by a huge speaker cone excursion caused by this amplifier. Sad to say, the rubber surrounds on both of my Wharfedales are torn. Can anyone help? Thank you in advance.
having experienced a similar thud sound from my amplifiers, I thought of a solution using markcrenz creation. I used his amplifier switch so that there will be no connection to my speakers when I turn the power on. Then I toggle the switch after a few seconds and voila, not more thud sound. My amp will be due for modification soon and the thud sound may disappear but i will still keep the setup as a safety measure.
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Thanks for the tip m0b1u5. I also contemplated on doing something like that switch but only simpler. I thought of putting an on/off switch in the wiring between the speakers and the smp. However, I thought that it is too bothersome and that I might forget about it and cause damage to my other speakers. I finally decided to have my av-200T modded by master Rene Rivo - to "cure" the speaker damaging pop and improve the overall sound quality and reliability of the amp. I will be bringing it to master Rene Rivo this coming February. Although it still has a warranty, I believe the tweaks of master Rene Rivo is better worth my time and effort. As for the damaged rubber surrounds of my Whafedales, I will have it repaired to the speaker doctor in Paco, Manila.
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I have a modified amp by Rene Rivo. When turning it on, no pop. Turning it off there's still a pop sound. What i usually do is not turn the amp off immediately. I let it stay on for around 5 mins then turn it off. That way I don't get the pop sound when i turn it off.
The modified amp is definitely way better than the stock one.
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Hi esr101! Mine has no popping sound upon turning off. The turning on is the problem. The loudness of the popping sound after the humming a few seconds upon powering can only be described as "jarring" . As I mentioned, loud enough that the excursion of the speakers destroyed the woofer's rubber surround. But if the amp has warmed up then you power it off then turn it on within a minute, there is no destructive humming and popping sound. I am curious. Is the popping sound you experience upon powering off as loud as what I am experiencing when turning my amp on? I am disappointed and quite frustrated but I am charging this to experience. I'll be more cautious next time.
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i'm not sure if we have the same problem. i think it's different as mine does not have a humming sound when turning it on. When tiurning it on mahina lang din yung pop sound na naririnig ko and i don't hear it if i don't immediately turn it off.
Bring it to Rene Rivo, the mods might help you out.
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Hi guys.
Anong gamit nyo to connect your ipod sa ampli na ito?
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Sa haba nung thread ang hirap po mag backread....
Any trusted shops where i can purchase this?
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you can also pm jojod, he can help you....
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Hi guys i just got my bnew sakura av200T from martcom raon for our bedroom setup. We actually have a spare pair bookshelf from our old mini component. Or, am I better off getting used speakers instead?
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My Sakura AV-200t is now cured of its speaker damaging hums and pops on start-ups. It also has a warmer and mellower sound now. Thank you master Rene Rivo!
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[img][img]Got my Sakura AV-200T Tube Amp a month ago. So far so good...dati NAD amp ang gamit ko pero binenta ko na a year ago, now nagbalik loob ulit ako sa Audiophile world, talagang nasa dugo ko na since bata pa nnakagisnan ko na ang mga tube amps di lang amp pati tube na TV, madalas ko sinisilip ang loob ng TV...its glowing! getting back to Sakura Tube Amp at first medyo hesitant pa ako kasi ang mura compare sa mga locally made tube amp ranging to 20K, one day nasa sta lucia ako sa Western Appliance na spot ko ito naka display at naka hook up at tumutunog so I started to listen to it then ayun na convinced ako sabi ko i try ko nga ito as a bday gift ko ask ko kay mrs.eh agree agad sya pa nga bumile, nagulat ang mga salesman kasi 1st time daw na babae ang bumibile ng tube amp. So excited na ako hook ko sa 22 yrs old Mission 761i speakers BOOM!malinis ang tunog at warm ang tunog...more than 6 hrs non stop playing...syempre torture test, ginamitan ko pa ng ng pang Burn-IN ng Sheffield Lab CD (rare na ito). Til now enjoy pa rin ako dito sa amp na ito, hook ko rin sa Bose InterAudio speakers, pero mas gusto ang clarity ng mission speakers, pero nag dagdag ako ng subwoofer for bass extension. I think stick muna ako sa stock ng Sakura AV-200T, di pa naman ako nauulol eventually siguro pa modified ko add ko ng phono input...bagay yata ang tube amp sa turntable. OK guys happy listening!
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congrats navtech64...
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Service Bulletin:
1. this unit had a hairline crack on the board, very hard to see
with naked eye...
2. in order to avoid cathode poisoning, the two sections
of the triode buffers must be paralleled with jumpers,
in the picture, you will see that pin 1 and 6 are already
connected via pcb traces, so that two wire jumpers are
needed to complete the paralleling mod...
the 6N2 tubes are replaced with Japanese 6r-rh2 FUTABA triodes
which are better suited to lower voltages than the 6N2...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4154_zps1d14cb28.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4154_zps1d14cb28.jpg.html)
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I won't consider cathode poisoning a biggy here, if it is, then I'll veer away from that tube pronto. Though paralleling the two sections ages them at the same time, shares the measly current passing through it and doubles the gm.
I second that changing the tube to something that can operate on lower plate volts is most welcome, imho. I don't like the original "starving" arrangement, feed them right and they serve you right.
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maybe, pero kung ikaw ang matapatan malas mo lang....
i have two units bought to me with the symptom,
tubes light up but not working,
replacing the tube briought it back to life....
actually just about any tube with the B9 base should work,
being of the cathode follower configuration,
in effect 100% feedback, so that it works all the time
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fragile stock tubes... I made a JLTi monoblock hybrid that only uses one section of a 6922 and it still works, more than 10 years already.
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fragile stock tubes... I made a JLTi monoblock hybrid that only uses one section of a 6922 and it still works, more than 10 years already.
thousands of 6n2 tubes to dispose that's why.....
at 500 bucks, easily the best deal in PDVD last year,
the 7806 ic for filament supply fried taking the power transformer with it,
my fix was just a resistor to limit current, no more semicons that can fry.....
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4028_zps82bb16b1.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4028_zps82bb16b1.jpg.html)
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Na no-nose bleed ako. Too many jargons hehe
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Na no-nose bleed ako. Too many jargons hehe
your technician will understand......
also these posts will show up in search engines so that
those looking for info will find them useful.
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Guys. May spare jvc speakers kami from mini-component na balak ikabit sa sakura ko but its in my parents house pa.
Or, am i better of getting bookshelfs? Im thinking budget wise.
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^i use a pair of aiwa mini-compo speakers, the rest of the minicompo electronics
are no longer servieable, but the speakers are still good, i use them to test new amps....
simmilar to this one:
(http://cdn2.sulitstatic.com/images/2012/0714/04415112_04304663520e885a5af55d64a159fc50a230026fc78ff5c4d.jpg)
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Hi sir parang ganyan din yung jvc mini compo speakers namin.
Ok na kaya yun?
^i use a pair of aiwa mini-compo speakers, the rest of the minicompo electronics
are no longer servieable, but the speakers are still good, i use them to test new amps....
simmilar to this one:
(http://cdn2.sulitstatic.com/images/2012/0714/04415112_04304663520e885a5af55d64a159fc50a230026fc78ff5c4d.jpg)
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only one way to find out......try it and see if you like it...:D
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Hehe. Ill try.
only one way to find out......try it and see if you like it...:D
only one way to find out......try it and see if you like it...:D
only one way to find out......try it and see if you like it...:D
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Sulit talaga.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2558kds.jpg)
ibibigay ko na sana sa father ko yang speakers na pioneer S-HS55 5.1 kasama ang receiver year 1999 ko pa nabili
kaya lang nagbago ang isip ko nang ipahiram sa aking nang friend ko ang sakura niya.
add lang ako nang cheap na tweeter 100 pesos pair na hehehe.
sulit na sulit talaga :)
player: foobar + asio
soundcard: audigy 2 platinum
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2zef52a.jpg)
galit galit muna sa 5.1 na setup.
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Wala pa matinong lalagyan. Testing muna using precision acoustics speakers (malupit tumunog for its price of 3k from kuya marino) 4" woofers 8ohms 89db sensitivity. Napa wow ako sa tunog. Saktong pang SQ sya. Waka pa 1/4 volume ko malakas na.
Sulit speakers + sulit amp
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Here are some pics:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/markymark8386/IMG_20140130_200023_zps7f78b903.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/markymark8386/media/IMG_20140130_200023_zps7f78b903.jpg.html)
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(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/markymark8386/IMG_20140130_201729_zps4027536f.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/markymark8386/media/IMG_20140130_201729_zps4027536f.jpg.html)
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Got my Sakura AV-200T Tube Amp a month ago. So far so good...dati NAD amp ang gamit ko pero binenta ko na a year ago, now nagbalik loob ulit ako sa Audiophile world, talagang nasa dugo ko na since bata pa nnakagisnan ko na ang mga tube amps di lang amp pati tube na TV, madalas ko sinisilip ang loob ng TV...its glowing! getting back to Sakura Tube Amp at first medyo hesitant pa ako kasi ang mura compare sa mga locally made tube amp ranging to 20K up, one day nasa sta lucia ako sa Western Appliance na spot ko ito naka display at naka hook up at tumutunog so I started to listen to it then ayun na convinced ako sabi ko i try ko nga ito as a bday gift ko ask ko kay mrs.eh agree agad sya pa nga bumile, nagulat ang mga salesman kasi 1st time daw na babae ang bumibile ng tube amp. So excited na ako hook ko sa 22 yrs old Mission 761i speakers BOOM!malinis ang tunog at warm ang tunog...more than 6 hrs non stop playing...syempre torture test, ginamitan ko pa ng ng pang Burn-IN ng Sheffield Lab CD (rare na ito). Til now enjoy pa rin ako dito sa amp na ito, hook ko rin sa Bose InterAudio speakers, pero mas gusto ang clarity ng mission speakers, pero nag dagdag ako ng subwoofer for bass extension. I think stick muna ako sa stock ng Sakura AV-200T, di pa naman ako nauulol eventually siguro pa modified ko add ko ng phono input...bagay yata ang tube amp sa turntable. Thanks for that great reviews!
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Heres my proper setup sa masters bedroom. Ive changed my speakers to energy bookshelves. Ummm... Just wondering if ok lang ba ang spacing between the speakers and the amp?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/markymark8386/IMG_20140202_162511_zpscf480af4.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/markymark8386/media/IMG_20140202_162511_zpscf480af4.jpg.html)
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kamusta SQ sir pag ganyang nakalagay sa cabinet? hindi ba hallow or boomy?
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Sulit talaga.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2558kds.jpg)
player: foobar + asio
soundcard: audigy 2 platinum
player: foobar + asio
soundcard: audigy 2 platinum
Nice setup! enjoy!
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Heres my proper setup sa masters bedroom. Ive changed my speakers to energy bookshelves. Ummm... Just wondering if ok lang ba ang spacing between the speakers and the amp?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/markymark8386/IMG_20140202_162511_zpscf480af4.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/markymark8386/media/IMG_20140202_162511_zpscf480af4.jpg.html)
you can experiment sa spacing ng speakers, kung anu maganda tunog para sa 'yo, un ang best. kahit malapit sa amp ok lang... how does it sound with your setup?
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Tried placing the speakers kanina on our high stool sa labas ng cabinet and ended up putting it back sa cabinet kasi naging manipis tumunog. Mas tight ang bass and SQ is improved sa cabinet. I like!
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Hi sirs, saan pa available ang av200t? I'm looking to buy one. thanks
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Kay martcom sa raon katabi ng deeco mismo. Dun ko nakuha yung akin. Ok sila talagang mattest mo and fresh units too.
Hi sirs, saan pa available ang av200t? I'm looking to buy one. thanks
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Hi sirs, saan pa available ang av200t? I'm looking to buy one. thanks
try mo sa automatic center, got my unit sa greenhills. they offer 0% interest...
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try mo sa automatic center, got my unit sa greenhills. they offer 0% interest...
How much do they give it there at both cash/straight charge and installment?
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Check with hyperaudio (rene rivo) he sells modifef units na.
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Thanks for the info good sirs.
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How much do they give it there at both cash/straight charge and installment?
P4750 got it 24mos %0, less than P200/mo... not sure sa straight since i availed the installment.
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just a heads up to those who purchased this amp.
this amp has a built in speaker delay relay...3 sec to about 6 secs...
the purpose of this relay is to avoid annoying turn on thumps...
if you purchased a unit that shows this type of symptoms,
return it to the seller to have it repaired for free
if you are still under a 1 year warranty period...
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just a heads up to those who purchased this amp.
this amp has a built in speaker delay relay...3 sec to about 6 secs...
the purpose of this relay is to avoid annoying turn on thumps...
if you purchased a unit that shows this type of symptoms,
return it to the seller to have it repaired for free
if you are still under a 1 year warranty period...
salamat sa info sir tony.
sa umpisa lang meron sa unit ko, after a while wala na pag uminit na amp. kahit on/off na. but i always set vol to min before turning on/off...
i dont care the minimal thump, will it affect the future performance of the amp?
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mere annoyance lang yan, its a transient so it dissapears after a while....
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Yung thump saken sa umpisa lang pero pag off ko kahit uminit na yung amp may popping sound pa din. May delay din ba pag turn off?
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walang delay ang turn off...
hindi naman delikado kung power off ka na...
turn down mo yung volume bago ka mag power off...
i do this on most of my gears...
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Thank you very much sir Tony. Your tips, insights, and generosity to share your experience and knowledge about this amp and other audio gears is a great help to all of us. May your tribe increase, sir Tony Tecson!
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being a hobbyist, i do my share of sharing information....
i am not in this for the business, i sell ideas mostly...
if i can help, i am happy.....:D
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Re thumps, anyone who would like to volunteer their unit, preferably an unmodded one and near Valenzuela kindly shoot me a PM. Please PM, don't SMS me.
Totally for free, I'll pay for whatever parts I use and install.
Cheers
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Malakas yung popping sound saken when I turn the unit off.... Kahit mainit na yung ampli and turn the volume knob to zero...
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kung meron kayong issues sa Sakura nyo,
the best thing to do is to give feedback to the seller,
after sales service requires that he fixes that problem
it is his responsibility, specially if the one year warranty
period has not yet lapsed....
that is why i frown upon tampering with your units
prematurely and within the warranty period....
i have a Sakura amp repaired and was taken today by the owner,
but i wouldn't want to tinker with these Sakura AV200's
if still under warranty, lugi kayo nyan.....
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It seems like there are quite a number of Sakura av-200 t buyers who experienced quality related issues. The distributor should have addressed these issues squarely a long time ago. I believe they have already received a number of complaints and feedbacks about the quality. I myself experienced some bad issues and have talked to them. But my perception is, they seem to pretend that they do not know about these issues. The answers were tentative, and unassuring. Not really inspiring to transact with them regarding warranties. BUT, sir Tony is right on insisting about the one year warranty. This amp has got a nice sound, a nice look, and a nice price, but it would be nicer if they could address the issues straight-on.
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yes, if they want to continue doing business, they should address quality issues head on...
and most important, these issues needs to be addressed at their expense,
not at the buyer's', any scrupulous seller will do this, it goes without saying...
as early as two years ago i have pointed out design flaws but the sellers
seem disinterested, after all a broken Sakura amp opens up opportunities
for others to make money at the expense of end users....
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I cured the annoying and ocassionally loud popping sound when turning off by using an AVR. After listening, I turn off the AVR first before the Sakura av-200t.
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A simple on/off switch in the ac power line (power strips that have on/off switch like the local Panther brand) also eliminated the popping sound upon turning off.
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My offer still stands.
I have been approached so many times and still have no plans of accepting any mods for this amp. Just this once, and totally for free, no strings attached - promise.
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Sir una off ang avr before the ampli? Hindi ba damaging ito?
I cured the annoying and ocassionally loud popping sound when turning off by using an AVR. After listening, I turn off the AVR first before the Sakura av-200t.
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My unit also has a slight thud upon powering on, after the clicking of the relay but it's not loud. You won't hear it unless you put an ear near the speakers.
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My offer still stands.
I have been approached so many times and still have no plans of accepting any mods for this amp. Just this once, and totally for free, no strings attached - promise.
pm sent!
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I would have volunteered mine sir Jojo but the distance is a hindrance.
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(http://i58.tinypic.com/2558kds.jpg)
habang wala pang AN Super 8 driver
(http://i58.tinypic.com/ng9g6a.jpg)
burn-in ko muna ang baffles with Crown Super 8
mura lang yan php 320.00 x 2 + 100 pair na tweeter
hahahhaa
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any update on this tube amp? san po ako makakabili? and anong speaker dapat ang bilin ko for this?
sir diy_master of a audio sir anong bookshelf nyo po ang pwede sa amp na ito ung pang entry level lang po since sa room ko lang xa gagamitin thanks :)
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kailan kayo lilipat? me store blessing ba? :D
sir meron kapa sakura AV200? anog bookshelf speaker naka pair?
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My unit also has a slight thud upon powering on, after the clicking of the relay but it's not loud. You won't hear it unless you put an ear near the speakers.
the correct delay should be around 3 secs, more does not hurt, so within 3 secs you should not hear anything from the speakers, if you do then you have an issue and you can return your unit for repair of outright replacement if within a day of two...
if you hear a thud right after turn-on, then that means that the time delay relay is not working as it should,
you are entitle to a unit that does....
i wouldn't worry much about thuds when powering down, it is not as critical as when powering on.....
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the correct delay should be around 3 secs, more does not hurt, so within 3 secs you should not hear anything from the speakers, if you do then you have an issue and you can return your unit for repair of outright replacement if within a day of two...
if you hear a thud right after turn-on, then that means that the time delay relay is not working as it should,
you are entitle to a unit that does....
i wouldn't worry much about thuds when powering down, it is not as critical as when powering on.....
Thanks for the advice Tony!
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you're welcome, remember consumers have rights....assert your rights......
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Sold mine. The power on delay works coz the thud appears after about 4secs upon turning on, but my main concern is the loud popping noise when the unit is turned off. Nakakatakot for the speakers.
It also pops loudly when the electric fan is turned off. Baka magkasunog pa. This popping issue on our electrical doesnt appear when using my yamaha amp, leaving the sakura amp as culprit.
May 1yr warranty pa yung amp but ayoko na sumalit ulo kakabalik and risk the amp having scratches lalo na acrylic panel in process of repair (di naman enthusiast mga technician dun to care for the cosmetic aspect) and no guarantees that they will accept or fix the problem. So in short, im glad im done with my sakura amp. Hehe.
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Meron pa bang available nito? Gusto ko sanang gawing amp for a TT project ito
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sa raon meron sir... i think around 3,500 pesos up to 5k siguro...yan din inisip ko bilhin since mura sha pero nag isip isisp pa din ako... before buying tube amp basa basa pa din naman ako... since 1st time ko gagamit ng di tubo... :D
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FYI. sakura is not a straight or real tube amp, it is a hybrid type meaning tube ang pre amp at solid state ang power amp and the stock ones does not have a phono input unless it is moded already by sir rene rivo. FYI lang he he...
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yes, the Sakura is a solid state amp with tubes....
the small tubes are buffers, aka cathode followers, the big tubes rectifiers..
some call it a hybrid.....
i am not sure that is the correct term.....:D
but for the price, like all things China, it is a bang for buck amp....
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Meron bang nabenta nito na modified na? Like ung sa hyperaudio? San kaya shop?
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Eh di bumili ka kay Hyperaudio. Sa Calatagan st., Makati City.
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Sori sir. Wala kasi sumasagot sa phone nila e. Kala ko sarado na.
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Facebook mo Rene Rivo.
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may static yung amp ko, paano mawawala yun.. at parang grounded.. pa help naman po... thanks
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may static yung amp ko, paano mawawala yun.. at parang grounded.. pa help naman po... thanks
ibalik mo sa binilhan mo...responsibility nilang irepair yan...
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ibalik mo sa binilhan mo...responsibility nilang irepair yan...
Malayo sir ibiyahe yung unit... baka mayroon sa forumer na naka-experience ng parehong issue like mine..
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i have repaired a lot of these amps, kaso sa description mo hindi maliwanag..
what do you mean by static? parang grounded, ano yon? saan ang place mo?
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i have repaired a lot of these amps, kaso sa description mo hindi maliwanag..
what do you mean by static? parang grounded, ano yon? saan ang place mo?
there is low static sound like hissing sound na sumasabay sounds output both left and right .
when you touch metallic cover at volume control knob ng bass at treble, this produce loud hissng sound (gizzshisssssss).
sensya na hirap explain yung sound pero parang gizzshisssssss sound.
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@tony,
salamat sa pag entertain ng concern ko.. i have researched, yung ugong na sound normal pala sa tube amp..
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it could any of various things, could be a loose ic, etc...
how old is your Sakura? was it like that when you first bought it?
i heard a story from one who bought it that there was a thump when first powered on,
and several units tried were like that, so what he does is not connect the speakers
until some time has elapsed, and i say it shouldn't be like that at all...
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it could any of various things, could be a loose ic, etc...
how old is your Sakura? was it like that when you first bought it?
i heard a story from one who bought it that there was a thump when first powered on,
and several units tried were like that, so what he does is not connect the speakers
until some time has elapsed, and i say it shouldn't be like that at all...
1 1/2 years I suppose, I got it as a second hand item. The thump is manageable considering that you need to wait for 3 to 5 seconds before connecting the speakers.
The only thing that I need to have this unit serviced is the grounding system.
thanks..
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nakakita ako ng Sakura AV200T sa instagram feed ko.
namiss ko bigla yung AV200T ko, i think so far yun yung best amp na namatch ko sa Celestion 9 ko.
Sakura AV200T -> dual SMSL 36 -> single B&O ICE amp. malinis tumunog naman lahat, hirap yung SMSL, pero kaya naman at reasonable levels. for some reason, mas malambing lang tumunog talaga yung Sakura.
sa mga nagtatanong ng bagay na speakers for this amp, try niyo yung Celestion 5/9. :) with the proper placement, you'll get good enough bass extension.
madali lang ba patayin mga LED light nito? para puro tube lang umiilaw? parang mas ok tingnan yun :)
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@Sir Tony, @Sir JojoD
Sirs, Possible ba to convert this amp into a pure tube amp?
If Hyperaudio managed to do some mods in the amp baka posible din na i-convert this amp into pure tube.
Just use the chasis etc.
Thanks
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^converting that to a pure SS amp is more viable...
Rene added an ic phono stage to the Sakura...
the two peanut tubes are cathode followers, not really needed....
the two big rectifiers supply +-6vdc, can be done with zeners only
as it is already there, tapping from the +-15 which is regulated is easy...
the tubes in the Sakura 200 are there as eye candy....
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To the users of this amp, is it possible to use a tablet as its player of lossless music files? If yes, how did you connect it to this amp? Finally, any chance a Blackberry Playbook would work in this kinda set-up?
Thanks.
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^^maybe a 3.55mm (via headphone out) to RCA interconnect will do?
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ito nag trip lang
sakuuuura power : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PztZPghTRA
:)
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ito nag trip lang
sakuuuura power : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PztZPghTRA
:)
nice cilp there bosyo...:D
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^^maybe a 3.55mm (via headphone out) to RCA interconnect will do?
How would the quality of the sound be compared to a USB connection as regards other gadgets/equipment?
Thanks.
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that would depend on how good the built in dac of your tablet. if you could use an external dac in between of your tablet and amp, that would be better.
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that would depend on how good the built in dac of your tablet. if you could use an external dac in between of your tablet and amp, that would be better.
Cool. What can you suggest as a budget DAC that would perfectly blend and work well with that setup (Blackberry Playbook > DAC > AV-200T)?
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I have this moded AV-200T bought from sir Anthony i thinkg mga 2-3 year na together with A-Audio Bookshelf speaker. Di ko sya nagamit dahil sobrang busy at mas gusto ko manuod ng movies plus hinde ako maka timing sa Market place ng decent CD player.
Nung isang gabi I decided kuhain sa baul yung AV-200t at yung bookshelf speaker. Ni hook ko sya sa PLatinum BMB-one karaoke namin. Akala ko sira na yung amp kasi nun una ayaw tumunog pero umilaw naman yung mga tube sa gitna. Pinagpalit palit ko lang yung connectors at yung selector knob and then ayun nagulat ako biglang tumunog.
Nagtest kame ng songs at videoke songs at maganda pala sya tumunog :)
Here is the actual photo of the set-up, parang yung Bmb-One na ang magiging cd player ko nito.
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/chicomark13/10434267_549577155152814_3220462760278232947_n.jpg)
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I have this moded AV-200T bought from sir Anthony i thinkg mga 2-3 year na together with A-Audio Bookshelf speaker. Di ko sya nagamit dahil sobrang busy at mas gusto ko manuod ng movies plus hinde ako maka timing sa Market place ng decent CD player.
Nung isang gabi I decided kuhain sa baul yung AV-200t at yung bookshelf speaker. Ni hook ko sya sa PLatinum BMB-one karaoke namin. Akala ko sira na yung amp kasi nun una ayaw tumunog pero umilaw naman yung mga tube sa gitna. Pinagpalit palit ko lang yung connectors at yung selector knob and then ayun nagulat ako biglang tumunog.
Nagtest kame ng songs at videoke songs at maganda pala sya tumunog :)
Here is the actual photo of the set-up, parang yung Bmb-One na ang magiging cd player ko nito.
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Ano model ng BS speakr mo sir?
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Ano model ng BS speakr mo sir?
Haha, sa totoo lang sir nalimutan ko na. Isa sa mga collection ni si Anthony yan eh pero diko na maalala exact model.
Main purpose ko talaga dati is to set-up a Music/Audio set-up para sa small room ko. Kaya yung kinuha kong BS is for that purpose.
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Haha, sa totoo lang sir nalimutan ko na. Isa sa mga collection ni si Anthony yan eh pero diko na maalala exact model.
Main purpose ko talaga dati is to set-up a Music/Audio set-up para sa small room ko. Kaya yung kinuha kong BS is for that purpose.
May amp ako na ganito and looking for a suitable BS... ngayon lang ako nagsisimula sa Hifi hifi na yan eh.. :)
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Good day to members and masters....
I have been reading this thread from page 1, and am seriously considering purchasing one this coming Sunday (SWMBO gave the green light ^__^).
I just want your inputs please. I currently own a HTIB from Philips (HTS3366) but the player/amp got wet during habagat last year and it stopped working. I still have the speakers and my plan is to connect the 2 speakers to the SAKURA AVT 200. I also want to connect the passive sub, but I'm not sure if it can power it up. Here are the specs of the speakers..
Loudspeakers
Satellite Speaker: 2 Floor standing pillars
Satellite speaker drivers: 3" full range woofer
Satellite speaker impedance: 3 ohm
Satellite speaker freq range: 150-20000 Hz
Center Speaker: Magnetically shielded, 3 way
Center speaker drivers: 1 x 2" tweeter, 2 x 2.5" woofers
Center speaker impedance: 6 ohm
Center freq range: 150-20000 Hz
Subwoofer driver: 6.5" high efficiency woofer
Subwoofer impedance: 6 ohm
Subwoofer freq range: 40-150 Hz
Subwoofer type: Passive
The plan is to get the tube amp and connect the 2 speakers + passive sub. This will be used in a small room, roughly 20 square ft. for 70% music and 30% movies.
This is my first post and thanks in advance!
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Additional inquiry po. Anu po bang suitable subwoofer na pwede ihook dito sa ating sakura av200t?
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Additional inquiry po. Anu po bang suitable subwoofer na pwede ihook dito sa ating sakura av200t?
any powered sub will do...
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any powered sub will do...
Copy Sir. Thanks for your prompt reply. Currently this is my set-up. Makakatulong po ba yung subwoofer para mag improved yung output ng system ko?
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Copy Sir. Thanks for your prompt reply. Currently this is my set-up. Makakatulong po ba yung subwoofer para mag improved yung output ng system ko?
the Sakura has a mono low-pass filter that combined the left and the right channel lows into a single channel,
this is just one option, most powered subs lets you connect the speaker terminals into it, another option...
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2 speakers + passive sub
you need a powered sub...
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Konzert KS-8W powered subwoofer, pwede na po siguro eto? Ayaw ko po kasi masyadong malakas, nakakahiya makabulabog sa kapitbahay. Pang Home/personal use lang naman namin. Tsaka mga 2-3K lang budget ko for a subwoofer.
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Mga sir anong tube ba yung 2 maliit na gamit ng sakura sa av 200t? 12ax7 ba? Hehe if not ano sya and ano dn pwedeng alternatives pang tube roll! :) TIA
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ecc88, e88c, 6N1p, 6N23, 6dj8, 7dj8, 6922, CCa, 6bk7, 6bq7...
yung original na 6N2 equivalent to 12ax7 pero 6 volts ang filament so hindi pwede ang 12ax7..
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^converting that to a pure SS amp is more viable...
Rene added an ic phono stage to the Sakura...
the two peanut tubes are cathode followers, not really needed....
the two big rectifiers supply +-6vdc, can be done with zeners only
as it is already there, tapping from the +-15 which is regulated is easy...
the tubes in the Sakura 200 are there as eye candy....
sir tony...judging from this revelation...then the tube doesn't contribute at all to the SQ of this amplifier.
in short its a fake...isn't?
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^converting that to a pure SS amp is more viable...
Rene added an ic phono stage to the Sakura...
the two peanut tubes are cathode followers, not really needed....
the two big rectifiers supply +-6vdc, can be done with zeners only
as it is already there, tapping from the +-15 which is regulated is easy...
the tubes in the Sakura 200 are there as eye candy....
sir tony...judging from this revelation...then the tube doesn't contribute at all to the SQ of this amplifier.
in short its a fake...isn't?
yes, the tubes in that amp are for show only......
but even so, the price of the amp is hard to beat
and some folks actually enjoy the sound....
i was able to get rid of the 2 big tubes in one of my mods...
i was about to get rid of the small tubes,
pero nahingi ng bayaw ko kaya hindi natuloy....
one day i might just be able to do that...
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Thanks for the reply...i was on planning to get this sakura amplifier after reading the whole thread. But when i read your post on how this vacuum tube were included in the circuit design...uhmmm...i will think again.
sir tony...so how's the VT PCB layout, can it be modified to act as an preamp stage?
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Thanks for the reply...i was on planning to get this sakura amplifier after reading the whole thread. But when i read your post on how this vacuum tube were included in the circuit design...uhmmm...i will think again.
sir tony...so how's the VT PCB layout, can it be modified to act as an preamp stage?
it is a preamp stage with 2 op amps....
it can be modified to get rid of the 2 big tubes easily, all you need are just 2 resistors.
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Sorry sir tony, what i meant was...to act as preamp? not just a decoration on the preamp stage.
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Sorry sir tony, what i meant was...to act as preamp? not just a decoration on the preamp stage.
yes, but the ensuing cost is not worth the effort imho,
remember that this is a low cost amp..
if i were to do it in my sakura amp, probably worth it...
not so if you are getting someone do it for you,
if you get what i mean.....
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it is a preamp stage with 2 op amps....
it can be modified to get rid of the 2 big tubes easily, all you need are just 2 resistors.
paano sir ito, i mean decoration lang yung big tubes?
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yes sir, eye candy for short ;D
but for me the glow of the tubes especially when it's dark gives a relaxing atmosphere resulting to a pleasurable listening experience 8)
just as long as you accept the sakura for what it is it's a fine integrated amp ;)
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paano sir ito, i mean decoration lang yung big tubes?
let us just say it was a complex solution to a very simple problem....;)
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let us just say it was a complex solution to a very simple problem....;)
very deceiving naman yun...
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very deceiving naman yun...
not really, to the casual end-user, it is all about the sounds vs.
the cost that makes the difference, all that should matter to them... :D
building amps is just like cooking food, the cook selects ingredients
to get that sought after taste, he is not limited in his choices.... ;)
myself can not complain about this amp which is truly a bang for the buck,
there is no other amp like this...for the price, which diy'er here can make one like this? 8)
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very deceiving naman yun...
depends on your point of view. nowadays, anything that has a tube in it is mistaken for a tube amp. just like anyone who owns something that has a tube is known as a "tubero". give that same person a screwdriver and some selfie shots and his a master.
no self respecting diy'er will implement something like that, I can be wrong though.
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no self respecting diy'er will implement something like that, I can be wrong though.
I doubt you can be wrong on that. Deceive-It-Yourself? ;D
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it is all about getting to market a product that sells......
the Chinese are very good at that, i have to give them credit...;)
we all know how the chinese business man thinks,
kahit mamera lang ang ganansya, basta libo libong items ang mabenta,
malaki ang kita...
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knowing all these, so how to make the sakura tube amp really a tube amp?
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knowing all these, so how to make the sakura tube amp really a tube amp?
costly.....
and when done will cost many time more than the Sakura...
i have a plan, but then hindi na Sakura amp ang kalalabasan,
i am looking for a beat up sakura to play with...
it can be done.....a 2A3 SET perhaps....
or a 7403 pentode triode wired....
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I doubt you can be wrong on that.
I sincerely hope not... can't imagine what the next generation will be like.
Deceive-It-Yourself? ;D
Just like buying an already built amp and saying you build it...
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i have been told that someone brought in 100 units of this Sakura amp....
he's just one importer, there could be others bringing in this amp...
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knowing all these, so how to make the sakura tube amp really a tube amp?
you buy it as it is, don't "make" it what it's not. or just buy something else that's specifically what you are looking for.
as you can see from the previous pages, it's not a bad amp, there are those who enjoy it as it is and what it is. so ultimately, either love it or don't make it loveable.
don't get a scooter and soup it up to run fast, get a big bike instead.
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^yes Jojo you are right, but still there are those
who will want to add some sugar and spices to their cake...
we have warned them but still they come.....
i had to turn down several requests for mods,
instead i ask them to go to rene rivo instead....
rene has mods for this amp... :D
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i have been told that someone brought in 100 units of this Sakura amp....
he's just one importer, there could be others bringing in this amp...
assuming landed cost is 2500...
selling it for 4000 will give you a profit of 150,000 pesos easy,
kaching, kaching ang cash register!!!!.....:D >:D >:D >:D
modding it to have a phono stage for a cost of 2000 each,
and selling it for 8000 nets you additional profit of 200,000...
so for the 100 Sakuras that you bring in, you stand to earn 350k,
ayaw ka pa noon?
cheap china imports are killing the local electronics business,
that is the sad reality of it.... :-X
say you are selling a diy amp for 30k, but how many can you sell in a months' time
1 or two? even if you have a profit of say 15k, hindi makakabuhay ng pamilaya yan... ::)
but the end-users as always turns out to be the big winner... ;) ;) ;)
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sorry medyo OP: Sir tony, ask ko lang normal lang ba talaga na meron tubes na mahina ang glow kht bago pa?
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sorry medyo OP: Sir tony, ask ko lang normal lang ba talaga na meron tubes na mahina ang glow kht bago pa?
yes, depende yan sa tube, merong tubes na akala mo hindi gumagana....
meron din namang tubes na parang light bulb sa simula....
amg importante gumagana ng mahusay yung equipment...
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YUMMMY!!!!! >:D >:D >:D
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meron palang modified version nitong Sakura AV200T amp sa HyperAudio. ::)
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YUMMMY!!!!! >:D >:D >:D
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nung kinuha namin to ni dandy tsaka ni fantom kanya kanyang hula kami kung para saan to hehehehe. pabulong naman sir Tony kung saan mo gagamitin yang mga yan at baka meron somobrang pcb.
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nung kinuha namin to ni dandy tsaka ni fantom kanya kanyang hula kami kung para saan to hehehehe. pabulong naman sir Tony kung saan mo gagamitin yang mga yan at baka meron somobrang pcb.
sure...i will give you one....;)
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sure...i will give you one....;)
Pabulong din sir kung saan mo gagamitin yan.
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Pabulong din sir kung saan mo gagamitin yan.
ygpm....
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Hello mga bossing, bakit maganda daw tumunog ang AV-200T kahit hindi naman sya tunay na de-tubo? At saka na fix na kaya yung old (unit) issues dito sa mga latest units? Gusto ko kasing bumili rin kung meron pa ba nito. Thanks!
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Hello mga bossing, bakit maganda daw tumunog ang AV-200T kahit hindi naman sya tunay na de-tubo? At saka na fix na kaya yung old (unit) issues dito sa mga latest units? Gusto ko kasing bumili rin kung meron pa ba nito. Thanks!
Well, it sounds decent for it's price. Just don't expect it to be a miracle worker. You have to learn to live with its' limitations. I've been using mine for 7 months now, wala namang problema. Yung slight thud nawala na rin after constant usage. Di lang ako sure sa stock kasi I got mine from Rene Rivo.
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Hello mga bossing, bakit maganda daw tumunog ang AV-200T kahit hindi naman sya tunay na de-tubo? At saka na fix na kaya yung old (unit) issues dito sa mga latest units? Gusto ko kasing bumili rin kung meron pa ba nito. Thanks!
yung ganda ng tunog, subjective yan.....
if you are happy with how it sounds despite its low cost,
then good for you, and be happy...
same parin ang issues...wala akong nakitang pagbabago...
but the model AV400 has a bit more power, about twice... ;)
You have to learn to live with its' limitations.
+1...good post, this is true for all amps naman,
amps follow the laws of physics and thermodynamics....;)
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Hello mga bossing, bakit maganda daw tumunog ang AV-200T kahit hindi naman sya tunay na de-tubo?
maybe they haven't heard better
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May bilog ang bass, pumuputok ang gitara, at malambing ang vocal just like with tube amps. But manipis ang tunog unlike really good tube amps. Mas malakas ang power to drive most commercial speakers. High power good tube amps mas mahal. Low power good tube amps kailangan ng high sensitivity speakers (93db up.)
Sa amp na ito, you get to hear a little bit of tube sound with your speakers for cheap.
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maybe they haven't heard better
effects of a product being hyped....
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May I ask if there's an old fashioned volume pot that can be a viable replacement for the modded AV-200T?
Rene Rivo replaced the stock volume pot and it's working perfectly except that it kinda misses in between loudness levels.
I listen at moderate levels, mga 6 clicks or turns of the volume knob. Pero merong mga CDs na malakas na for me at that level. Now, when you turn it down a notch, sobrang hina naman. ;D
I really prefer yung pag pihit walang clicks para ma achieve yung desired level.
Any tips?
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Sayang naman ang pot kung papalitan, I'm almost sure magandang quality yang ikinabit ni Rene. Yun nga lang di tumugma sa gain structure ng amp. What I can suggest is to place a passive attenuator, around 6dB, before the pot para benign lang ang effect sa SQ. You can then dial in to your desired volume level with a larger turn of the knob, say yung 6 clicks mo would be 12 clicks na, and 11 might be the sweet spot. Hindi ito pwede if sa orig 6 clicks halfway na ang ikot ng volume knob.
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The best guy to solve that is Rene.
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The best guy to solve that is Rene.
yes, and i wouldn't out of respect to Rene's stature make comments, you should let him fix that for you...;)
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Thanks for the advice guys.
I'd pay Rene a visit on a holiday one of these days. The traffic along Osmena is the only thing that's stopping me.
Cheers bros!
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Tsaka wala naman yatang sira to fix. Its more of a preference for bro Top 20. Ganyan talaga tayo na may sakit sa audio. Always looking for that sweet spot between our gears and listening preferences.:)
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Tsaka wala naman yatang sira to fix. Its more of a preference for bro Top 20. Ganyan talaga tayo na may sakit sa audio. Always looking for that sweet spot between our gears and listening preferences.:)
Yup, nothing wrong with the amp and the volume pot bro, except that I kinda feel it misses that "imaginary" softness / loudness mark. Nasanay yata kasi ako sa mga volume knobs ng mga lumang amp. ;D
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That is a valid concern. You shouldn't live with it. Find the time. That can be sorted out.
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Sakura with phono stage....
this version of the sakura is latest one i think,
no speaker delay relay but then no turn-on thumps,
a big improvement by the Chinese... ;)
the power amp section has 3 boards mounted vertically
a departure from the early models...surface mount
components are used in these boards...it can only mean that
they are making this amps by the thousands.... >:D
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ok yung newest version ng sakura amp with phono stage na ah
how much going price ngayon master Tony?
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ok yung newest version ng sakura amp with phono stage na ah
how much going price ngayon master Tony?
i added the phono stage, boards were made in china....no idea about the current price of the sakura these days....
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Yup, nothing wrong with the amp and the volume pot bro, except that I kinda feel it misses that "imaginary" softness / loudness mark. Nasanay yata kasi ako sa mga volume knobs ng mga lumang amp. ;D
That is a valid concern. You shouldn't live with it. Find the time. That can be sorted out.
That's because it's cheaper to use linear pots rather than audio taper ones. Ang problema lang, biglang lakas - then biglang hina. All Sakura amps and their counterparts/rebadged versions use this.
Ang sabi nun supplier, it gives out daw the illusion of being "malakas", kasi kaunting pihit mo pa lang daw malakas na. Ang sabi ko naman, kaunting pihit pa - basag na. Di naman daw inaabot yun ganun kaya walang nagrereklamo.
Kaya nga mababasa niyo yun ibang amps ng Sakura are advertised to be matched with 400W to 500W speakers. So system matching din ang tinuturo nila.
In fairness, yun mga videoke machines na for rent ang lalakas ng mga tunog, yun iba nga naipapa barangay pa eh.
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i added the phono stage, boards were made in china....no idea about the current price of the sakura these days....
I see, husay talaga ni master Tony ;)
I hope you don't mind but do you plan to offer that option to sakura owners, sir? Thanks
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I see, husay talaga ni master Tony ;)
I hope you don't mind but do you plan to offer that option to sakura owners, sir? Thanks
yes, why not? its a 4000 peso option.....:D
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Now that's something to ponder on
at least me option na phono stage for the sakura hybrid
Thanks sir T :)
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where to get that phono stage board?
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where to get that phono stage board?
from me.....:D
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yung phono stage mo, pwede gamitin sa ibang amp o pwede kong ilagay sa isang box with input/output terminal with correct power supply?
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yung phono stage mo, pwede gamitin sa ibang amp o pwede kong ilagay sa isang box with input/output terminal with correct power supply?
pwede rin....
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My AV-200T Left channel got busted, no sound at all, I replaced the 50K potentiometer with a 100K pots but seems too much attenuation so I put an original 50K rating. Result is now OK and back to original placebo effect tube sound. Still satisfied with my AV-200T paired with a DIY local brand 40watter FR speaker.
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Hello mga sirs, ask ko lang what is the possible cause bakit bigla na lang di na tumutunog yung av200 ko. Bago sya nawalan ng sound may naamoy nako sa amp na amoy sunog. Nkailaw naman lahat ng tubes. Almost 6 months palang sakin yung amp. Salamat sa mga magrereply.
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Bro, baka transformer. Is this stock or modified?
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Hello mga sirs, ask ko lang what is the possible cause bakit bigla na lang di na tumutunog yung av200 ko. Bago sya nawalan ng sound may naamoy nako sa amp na amoy sunog. Nkailaw naman lahat ng tubes. Almost 6 months palang sakin yung amp. Salamat sa mga magrereply.
under warranty pa yan, ibalik mo sa binilhan mo for after sales service...
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Naiisip ko kasi baka tumagal ng months bago bumalik. Kasi kaya ko din nmn magpalit ng component kung malalaman ko kung ano papalitan. Pero tama ka sir tony balik ko na lng under warranty pa naman. Salamat.
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so far wala pa naman problema ang sakura ko. tulog ko lang ang pahinga niya :)
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Naiisip ko kasi baka tumagal ng months bago bumalik. Kasi kaya ko din nmn magpalit ng component kung malalaman ko kung ano papalitan. Pero tama ka sir tony balik ko na lng under warranty pa naman. Salamat.
even if that happened to me, i will still bring it back to where i bought it, because that is the right thing to do....;)
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testing coaxial 5.25" driver
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Notebook <--------HDMI -----------> Samsung TV <-------- Analog Out -------> SAKURA
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^the Sakura has more power than the AMX tube amp, and the bass and treble control lets you tailor the sound to taste....
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^the Sakura has more power than the AMX tube amp, and the bass and treble control lets you tailor the sound to taste....
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oks na oks @master tony.
highly recommended talaga ang sakura
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...na sounds ko yung sakura av-200t sa hi-fi show sa Defacto room 545 ay ang ganda pla talaga....
alam ko na gift ko sa x-mas hehehe
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...na sounds ko yung sakura av-200t sa hi-fi show sa Defacto room 545 ay ang ganda pla talaga....
alam ko na gift ko sa x-mas hehehe
that will be the latest iteration, no more relays....sound has improved also...
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ibinigay ko yung sakua tube ko sa kapatid ko, preparing to have tube amp again, any low cost recommendation, my speakers are 50w and 100w rating.
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Good day!
Share ko lang po bagong dating ng AV-200T. Thanks
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Mall SRP: 5,999.00
Kung sakin kayo kukuha at marami, pag usapan natin.
LAHAT po ay welcome magpa-Audition dito sa St. Francis Square (Beside Megamall)
0909 143 6027
0917 666 9642
Manuel Lonto
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Ah ok yan. Share ko lang one time may nagpunta dito sa store namin dala yang tube amp n yan na sakura of course nagulat ako dahil sakura plus high end hifi audio system. Of course client kaya po need natin ma entertain...Sabi ko sir cge try po natin yung PSB Alpha B1 and Monitor Atom and n amaze ako s halagang wla pang 6k medyo ok na na drive nya ng at napalabas nya yung tunog na ok. Sabi ko sir pa modify mo once na kukunin mo to speaker ko para mas lma drive pa nya ng husto yung speaker ko. - Sir regards mo ko kay Jan.
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Mall SRP: 5,999.00
dati 3,500 lang ang kuha ko sa Raon....
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dati 3,500 lang ang kuha ko sa Raon....
Opo Sir Tony, Meron nga daw 3.5k. Im not sure kung sa SAKURA nila kinukuha.
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Ah ok yan. Share ko lang one time may nagpunta dito sa store namin dala yang tube amp n yan na sakura of course nagulat ako dahil sakura plus high end hifi audio system. Of course client kaya po need natin ma entertain...Sabi ko sir cge try po natin yung PSB Alpha B1 and Monitor Atom and n amaze ako s halagang wla pang 6k medyo ok na na drive nya ng at napalabas nya yung tunog na ok. Sabi ko sir pa modify mo once na kukunin mo to speaker ko para mas lma drive pa nya ng husto yung speaker ko. - Sir regards mo ko kay Jan.
Parang may naalala akong pinuntahan na Dealer sa Cubao, kay Mr. Chua. Okay ask ko si Jan Gilbert kung saan sya nag-audition ng AV-200T namin :)
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nag-patanong ako sa friend ko sa china ng 200 units nyan...
no luck yung kaibigan ko, ayaw syang patulan ng factory...;)
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biglang taas naman.
meron bang nabago sa design o upgrade?
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ung latest model na nahawakan ko, wala ng speaker delay relay... at iba na rin ang power amplifier board...
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Sa deeco sa Farmers Cubao 4.2k
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sir tony, may difference ba outside between the old and new sakura av200?
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sir tony, may difference ba outside between the old and new sakura av200?
walang difference, malalaman mo lang pag binuksan mo ung ilalim....
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ung latest model na nahawakan ko, wala ng speaker delay relay... at iba na rin ang power amplifier board...
Paging bossing Rene.. kasa ba sa mod mo to sa mga lumang sakura?
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Nga pala.. may parang nabasa ako way back last year na ginamit nya aa nmb one tonf sakura av200t,,,, safe ba? Pwede ba sya? Or kalaban lang nya ang mahabang paggamit dahil iinit ang tubes?
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iinit ang tubes?
yung two big tubes very small ang current delivery,
so heat generated by this tube mostly due to filament heating,
same with the two front peanut tubes....
this SAKURA AV200 is a tube buffered solid state amplifier..
this is not a true tube amplifier...
true tube power amps will have more heat simply because it uses tube all throughout....
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I wanna play with some mix and matching of gears.
If I buy a Samsung BD-H 4500 BD player and would use it as a dedicated CD player for the AV-200T, what other gear can I buy to make it work? I was thinking of an external DAC, am I right?
Please take note that this specific Samsung model has no other outputs but HDMI....
Finally. would a Fiio work well with this tube amp? What other DAPs would you guys recommend?
Thanks
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buhay pa sakura !!!
(http://i57.tinypic.com/1okqwy.jpg)
Coaxial Speaker
5.25" Kevlar Neodymium
1" Titanium Dome Neodymiun Tweeter
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buhay pa sakura !!!
(http://i57.tinypic.com/1okqwy.jpg)
Coaxial Speaker
5.25" Kevlar Neodymium
1" Titanium Dome Neodymiun Tweeter
What player are you using
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What player are you using
PC behind the TV with slim case.
PC <--- hdmi --> TV <--- analog pre out ----> AMP
OS: Ubuntu 14.10
Player: DeadBeef and Spotify
:)
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Anyone using a DAP with their Sakura? Which DAP are you guys using and what ICs?
PC behind the TV with slim case.
PC <--- hdmi --> TV <--- analog pre out ----> AMP
OS: Ubuntu 14.10
Player: DeadBeef and Spotify
:)
I see, thanks buddy.
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Hi Top 20,
One of the upgrades I made with my Hyperaudio Hotrod Hybrid Sakura (H3S) AV-200T that made a significant improvement is the Japan-made Noble 41-step detented logarithmic potentiometer. The two-sections are closely tracking hence good channel balance at all levels. The carbon contacts are much better than the stock and not a slight crackle problem since I started installing them on my H3S (more than two years ago). And I love the musicality of carbon volume pots, esp. the Japanese-made ones.
There's a simple run-around with your complaint (about sudden change in levels with every click) without changing the pot - the volume can be set in between clicks, try it. Or we can remove the mechanical attachment that sets the clicks and have a very smooth action all the way :-)
May I ask if there's an old fashioned volume pot that can be a viable replacement for the modded AV-200T?
Rene Rivo replaced the stock volume pot and it's working perfectly except that it kinda misses in between loudness levels.
I listen at moderate levels, mga 6 clicks or turns of the volume knob. Pero merong mga CDs na malakas na for me at that level. Now, when you turn it down a notch, sobrang hina naman. ;D
I really prefer yung pag pihit walang clicks para ma achieve yung desired level.
Any tips?
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san ba pwede magpayos or upgrade na sakura av 200...and magkano? thanks
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san ba pwede magpayos or upgrade na sakura av 200...and magkano? thanks
try nyo po tawagan si sir Rene Rivo (hypertriode) at tanungin kung tumatanggap sya ng pagpapa-upgrade ng Sakura amplifier. :)
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Question po, kaya ba nito i drive ung wharf 9.1 or 9.3?will use these for desktop speaker playing flac and wav files.. Tnx
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i used the Sakura for watching movies. my 90db can really fill my room( about 40 square meters) with thunderous bass.....
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Hi Top 20,
One of the upgrades I made with my Hyperaudio Hotrod Hybrid Sakura (H3S) AV-200T that made a significant improvement is the Japan-made Noble 41-step detented logarithmic potentiometer. The two-sections are closely tracking hence good channel balance at all levels. The carbon contacts are much better than the stock and not a slight crackle problem since I started installing them on my H3S (more than two years ago). And I love the musicality of carbon volume pots, esp. the Japanese-made ones.
There's a simple run-around with your complaint (about sudden change in levels with every click) without changing the pot - the volume can be set in between clicks, try it. Or we can remove the mechanical attachment that sets the clicks and have a very smooth action all the way :-)
Thanks for the tip hyperaudio. I'm still enjoying the H3S, it's been more than a year now. Also getting a lot of inputs via the H3S FB page. I'm in a quandary whether to have the phono stage installed or not. Reason for dilly dallying? No vinyl collection :). Thanks & more power!
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"Build it, they will come." - Field of Dreams
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i used the Sakura for watching movies. my 90db can really fill my room( about 40 square meters) with thunderous bass.....
thanks sir
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Bro, the centerpiece of the H3S is the phono section. Although I am sure you are enjoying it with digital sources. Here's what our resident audio blogger, hearhead, says about the H3S' phono stage:
"Just a little rave on the Phono Preamp of the H3S:
I dont know what kind of electronic wizardry Rene employed with his Phono Pre but let me tell you that it is one of the most quiet preamps ive ever encountered. Not too mention that it is one of the most forgiving phono ins money can buy. A struggle with Vinyl has always been a cartridges tracking and sometimes even the highend ones have an over emphasized treble and when the stylus starts to go to the inner grooves a certain amount of distortion can occur.
I used to have a vintage Pioneer table with an original cart that seems to encounter this distortion in the inner grooves (on hindsight it may be a set up issue: IGD) but ive never had that treble distortion with using the H3S. Did a shoot out with a Tube Phono Pre from a local diyer and the H3S beat it by a mile.
Even the china tube amps suffer from a grounding and hum issue that seems to be missing from the H3S. If youve been dipping your toes in Tubes youll notice that lower hum and noise are some of the premium things you have to pay for.
I said "forgiving" since the tracks i play with it are almost always sweeter. Its like the H3S rolls off the jagged peaks and treble that makes mediocre pressings fatiguing to listen to.
My Dads a local speaker builder an we used that H3S in the last hifi show to power a diy bookshelf speaker and it did not disappoint.
Hats off sir Rene Rivo!"
Thanks for the tip hyperaudio. I'm still enjoying the H3S, it's been more than a year now. Also getting a lot of inputs via the H3S FB page. I'm in a quandary whether to have the phono stage installed or not. Reason for dilly dallying? No vinyl collection :). Thanks & more power!
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Bro, the centerpiece of the H3S is the phono section. Although I am sure you are enjoying it with digital sources. Here's what our resident audio blogger, hearhead, says about the H3S' phono stage:
"Just a little rave on the Phono Preamp of the H3S:
I dont know what kind of electronic wizardry Rene employed with his Phono Pre but let me tell you that it is one of the most quiet preamps ive ever encountered. Not too mention that it is one of the most forgiving phono ins money can buy. A struggle with Vinyl has always been a cartridges tracking and sometimes even the highend ones have an over emphasized treble and when the stylus starts to go to the inner grooves a certain amount of distortion can occur.
I used to have a vintage Pioneer table with an original cart that seems to encounter this distortion in the inner grooves (on hindsight it may be a set up issue: IGD) but ive never had that treble distortion with using the H3S. Did a shoot out with a Tube Phono Pre from a local diyer and the H3S beat it by a mile.
Even the china tube amps suffer from a grounding and hum issue that seems to be missing from the H3S. If youve been dipping your toes in Tubes youll notice that lower hum and noise are some of the premium things you have to pay for.
I said "forgiving" since the tracks i play with it are almost always sweeter. Its like the H3S rolls off the jagged peaks and treble that makes mediocre pressings fatiguing to listen to.
My Dads a local speaker builder an we used that H3S in the last hifi show to power a diy bookshelf speaker and it did not disappoint.
Hats off sir Rene Rivo!"
Temting, really tempting...
But as much as I'm tempted to go back the vinyl route, I have to face the fact that it's too late in the day for me.
The day I purchased the H3S, it was during the first ever Vinyl ATBP bazaar. Seeing the crowd that turned up reminded me of my college days when I'd scour every record bar in the University Belt area in search of that "would be classic" and when new locally pressed LPs were just about 50 pesos a pop.
Anyway, enough of the nostalgia and back to the H3S. Again thanks for the tip. Now, I can listen to Shawn Colvin's A Few Small Repairs and Bruce Hornsby's Harbor Lights without a hitch. No more jarring change in levels. In between the 5th and 6th click, I finally found the sweet spot.
Thanks again!
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Behind this amp are three (3) sets of RCA connections, if I would be using my Fiio X5 with it, which connection should I use? Is/are there really any difference in its output to begin with?
Thanks
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^^any one pair of inputs...
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Sir Egzbuen,
Kamusta ang Fiio X5 mo as source? Maganda ang line out? :) Ano po speakers mo naka pair dito?hehe
Thanks!
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Sir Egzbuen,
Kamusta ang Fiio X5 mo as source? Maganda ang line out? :) Ano po speakers mo naka pair dito?hehe
Thanks!
I was initially disappointed with the X5's output using my cars OEM AVT HU (2014 Fort). Hooked up with my car's HU, the highs were tiring and fatiguing.
But, after hooking it up with my AV-200T tuned and sold by Anthony, paired with Anthony's FS which I got from him way back in 2010 (together with the AV-200T) but updated its tweets after a year..... WOW! Never appreciated jazz and other light music until now that I've used a X5. :p
I guess my car's HU was really built for iPods. :)
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I was initially disappointed with the X5's output using my cars OEM AVT HU (2014 Fort). Hooked up with my car's HU, the highs were tiring and fatiguing.
But, after hooking it up with my AV-200T tuned and sold by Anthony, paired with Anthony's FS which I got from him way back in 2010 (together with the AV-200T) but updated its tweets after a year..... WOW! Never appreciated jazz and other light music until now that I've used a X5. :p
I guess my car's HU was really built for iPods. :)
or maybe your speakers need an upgrade. (and Anthony's FS just sound better) ;) ::) ;D
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Just an update to my earlier post.
I'm into my few weeks with my new x5. My initial thoughts when I posted here was the treble and highs were too tiring and fatiguing with this player attached to my cars HU. But wicked and awesome attached to my tube amp at home. And that the iPod was better with my car's HU than the x5, the HU being designed and optimized for iPod.
Boy was I wrong, I recently bumped into monoprice's website and ordered a few cables and wires from them. Apparently, there are different 3.5mm Jacks and, in particular, when the x5 is on a casing, you need to use a slimmer. Well, apparently, I had to use one as well for my Cars HU as my original 3.5mm couldn't attach fully resulting to the initial output. Alas, just got my mobile 3.5 Jacks from monoprice and now I see the big difference, not to mention hear it.
Anyway, just wanted to share.
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Hi. old school lurker here hehe
update lang. galing akong Raon/Puyat St. kahapon at nagtanong tanong ako sa mga shops dun ng sakura av-200t. ang average price nasa 4k pesos. nakipagtawaran din ako kahit hindi bibili haha. kaya pa namang ibaba ang price.
hindi ko lang alam kung old or new models ito. pero yun nga nagbebenta pa rin sila.
bibili ako next week :)))
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dun ka sa tapat ng deeco or alexan, balita ko lang kaya ng 3500 doon...yon ang mga new models na yung walang relay....
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mura na yan, galing me Western Appliance kanina sa Cubao, 6k ang srp nila ang model Sakura AV 200T.
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dun ka sa tapat ng deeco or alexan, balita ko lang kaya ng 3500 doon...yon ang mga new models na yung walang relay....
ahh dun sa kabilang street. sige sir, try ko dun. tnx :)
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sir songerph...pa update sir kapag naka bili ka kamusta yung quality ng sounds ,balak ko ksi bumuli din sa RAON.
maraming salamat po.
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ginamit ko yung newer version watching movies in my devant 50inch lcd tv, it was awesome....
no other bang for the buck amplifier to date than the sakura av200...
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update uli.
sakura av-200t + wharfee diamond 10.2 = eargasm
ayos na. bang for the back talaga. sulit. swabe. pumogi ako bigla nung nakinig nako ng sounds.
sir tony, wala akong nakitang unit sa paligid ng deeco at alexan. kaya dun ako sa main street. nakipagtawaran ako sa kung san san at nakakuha ako ng 3800 with 1 year warranty (plus libreng wires hehe). mukhang depende sa mood ng mga tao dun ang presyo hahaha. (tsaka yung mga chinese na may-ari ng shops. bola-bolahin nyo lang)
fyi, sa raon bldg (along quezon blvd) mas mahal ang price (~5k). habang naglalakad ka along g.puyat street mas nagmumura ang prices (~4-4.5k).
nakalimutan ko yung shop na binilhan ko pero a kabilang side siya ng deeco/alexan street.
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after playing music for one hour ito yung mga napansin ko:
1. ang init nung mga tubo na may ilaw
2. medyo mainit din yung hangin ng exhaust sa likod
3. kapag ino-on/off ko yung amp, wala naman akong naririnig na thump or any suspicious sound sa speakers
4. kapag naka-pause yung music, wala ring hissing or any feedback sound sa speakers
5. yung wharfee swabe ang performance kahit nilalakasan ko ang volume
6. i'm using copper wires na inipit ko lang. may advice ba kayo regarding wiring?
7. sarap makinig grabe. first time ko kasi magkaroon ng ganitong setup haha
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1.ganyan talaga ang tubes, some tubes can get as hot as 200*C that is why they are always mounted atop the chassis where there is plenty of air...do not touch or let kids touch it, nakakapaso ang tubes..
2. matuwa ka, ibig sabihin nahihigop palabas yung init...
3. i-zero mo ang volume bago mo i turn off, kung turn off yan, more of an annoyance than a problem...
4. dapat lang...
5. good to know...
6. make sure the wires are thight, me problema pag maluwag ang pagkakaipit..
7. yes, ginamit ko rin yan sa movies, napadagundong nya yung Acoustic Audio ko na 3 way FS......
enjoy you sakura...
3800 is a very good price already....
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1.ganyan talaga ang tubes, some tubes can get as hot as 200*C that is why they are always mounted atop the chassis where there is plenty of air...do not touch or let kids touch it, nakakapaso ang tubes..
3. i-zero mo ang volume bago mo i turn off, kung turn off yan, more of an annoyance than a problem...
enjoy you sakura...
3800 is a very good price already....
Salamat sir tony! enjoy na agad ako e
Question sa #1. Dahil nga sa init, yung box sa likod pati glass sa baba umiinit din. Hindi ba masama to sa parts sa loob? Ok lang ba magdamag nakabukas yung amp like 6 hours?
sa #3.
pansin ko kapag on, may delay ilang seconds bago lumabas ang sounds.
kapag may volume tapos biglang off ng amp tsaka may thump na tunog. or kapag nagturn knob ako from different inputs. Hmm mukhang random din siya. Zero volume lang talaga gawin ko?
kahit zero volume basta after gamitin. may parang punit sound kapag off. kahit ipahinga ko. huhu. well pwede ko siguro bunutin yung speaker sa likod haha
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mainit yan so dapat hindi kulob ang pinaglagyan mo....
yung speaker delay ay para walang turn on pops sa speakers, yung huling sakura na nahawakan ko hindi na gumamit ng relay kaya wala kang maririnig na click...kaya kung nararanasan mong faint sound ay dahil doon
hindi naman problema dahil pinatay mo na nga yung power...
pansinin mo, yung fan sa likod iikot lang pag may music na....nahinto pag tapos na yung music, IOW, nagpapahinga rin.....
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so ito nga yung bagong model?
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so ito nga yung bagong model?
yes, most likely revision number 3 or better pa...
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Consistent yung malakas na 'punit' sound kapag turn off ng speakers kahit naka-zero ang volume. Nakakatakot haha. So ang ginagawa ko disconnect yung speakers bago turn off.
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pwede naman papalitan ng unit yan...
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Ano kaya dahilan ng sound kapag pinapatay yung amp sir?
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wala na kasing speaker delay relay yung unit mo...
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nakakasira ba ng speakers yun?
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nakakasira ba ng speakers yun?
hardly, like i said that is a mere annoyance than substantial.....
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hardly, like i said that is a mere annoyance than substantial.....
This is good to hear. :)
I have some gears giving out the same annoying sound.
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I see. I just have to bear with it. fuu
Thanks a lot sa info! :)
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you can also have your unit replaced...
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yes gawin ko rin yan. pero kung ganun lahat ng models, tiis tiis na lang. :(
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yun kasing natry ko lately latest revision din, wala namang ganyang issue...
try mo i zero ang volume, then unplug mo all input connections,
then i off mo, tignan natin kung me pinagkaiba...
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ibinigay ko yung sakua tube ko sa kapatid ko, preparing to have tube amp again, any low cost recommendation, my speakers are 50w and 100w rating.
san meron nag latest version nito at paano mo malalamang latest version nga?
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kahilera ng deeco sa raon........and to make sure, we have to open the bottom plate..
the earlier models, uses a speaker delay relay, (orange in color)....with #15 sticker..
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4492_zpsarddi7og.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4492_zpsarddi7og.jpg.html)
the latest model i have opened up, notice upright modularised board, and the absence of a speaker delay relay...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4841_zpsze5vogvv.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4841_zpsze5vogvv.jpg.html)
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thanks tony
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The Sakura AV-200T in action.
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Listening to Stone Flower by Antonio Carlos Jobim.
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Ang workaround ko sa ngayon for the turn-off pop sound is to use an extension/power strip na may mga individual switch. Imbes na switch ng amp ang gamitin ko yung sa extension na lang papatayin. Ok na yehey
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Ang workaround ko sa ngayon for the turn-off pop sound is to use an extension/power strip na may mga individual switch. Imbes na switch ng amp ang gamitin ko yung sa extension na lang papatayin. Ok na yehey
Interesting, will try this out. Would this wok with an AVR?
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Works with an AVR or any switch other than the amp's. I guess yung issue nga ay yung power switch ng amp. Baka may nangyayaring science somewhere there. XD
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solutions
1. turn off connected devices to rca input/output then unplug to the wall socket.
2. turn amp volume to zero and off.
3. use different wall outlet for each devices
works well for me.
may marking din yung power cable nang amp
kung ano ang left sa wall outlet
nagtataka nga ako pag nabaliktad may pop sound
SAKURA power !!!
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Ang workaround ko sa ngayon for the turn-off pop sound is to use an extension/power strip na may mga individual switch. Imbes na switch ng amp ang gamitin ko yung sa extension na lang papatayin. Ok na yehey
good to know you found a work around,
i also use a power strip where all my gears are connected,
all the gear's power switch are in on position so that only the power strip
switch is turned on or off...
others who are having the same issue can do this...
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Interesting, will try this out. Would this wok with an AVR?
can not see why not....
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Just tried this for the first time this afternoon, it worked, No popping sound if I use my AVR's switch instead.
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congratulations, other members can not have a fix as well...
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Just tried this for the first time this afternoon, it worked, No popping sound if I use my AVR's switch instead.
nice! congrats satin! haha
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The Sakura AV-200T in action.
(https://scontent-hkg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11091483_623894704378301_7332342915649631135_n.jpg?oh=f4a75b605eaeff7e723d78b89cdf860c&oe=557A4FCF)
Listening to Stone Flower by Antonio Carlos Jobim.
Nice bro! Looking forward to hear it soon... :)
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how about the same amp without the tubes? >:D
i am working on one and have removed the big tubes at the back,
next to go will be the two small tubes in front.... ;)
i hope i can do it before your next EB...
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how about the same amp without the tubes? >:D
i am working on one and have removed the big tubes at the back,
next to go will be the two small tubes in front.... ;)
i hope i can do it before your next EB...
sso this would make the Sakura amp a pure solid-state amplifier without a tube buffer, tama po ba?
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sso this would make the Sakura amp a pure solid-state amplifier without a tube buffer, tama po ba?
yes....
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how about the same amp without the tubes? >:D
i am working on one and have removed the big tubes at the back,
next to go will be the two small tubes in front.... ;)
i hope i can do it before your next EB...
alin nga po dyan rectifier? big or small tubes?
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alin nga po dyan rectifier? big or small tubes?
lahat....getting the buffer out out fo the loop saves you 4.7uf in the signal path...
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pansin ko hindi umiikot fan sa likod ng amp ko kahit 3 hours nako nagpeplay ng music at med-high volumes tapos mainit na yung amp. haha naku
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parang pinapasok ng maliit na langgam. bakit kaya????
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dapat yan iikot ang fan pag me signal sa speaker at hihinto pag tigil ng music...
so kung hindi ganyan ang nangyayari, pwede mo ibalik sa kinuhanan mo para macheck-up..
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i see. binabantayan ko ilang araw na. hindi talaga umiikot lalo na kung sobrang init na. mukhang ibabalik ko this weekend.
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ayun umandar na uli hahaha. yung reaction ng fan depende sa output.
kapag tv series or pop or classical music hindi nagrereact yung fan.
kapag malakas talaga ang volume at matindi ang bass (double peds, metal genre) umaandar yung fan. haha.
kapag movie na matindi ang barilan or may explosions umaandar din yung fan.
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LOOK MA, NO TUBES........
this is my final hack for the Sakura AV200...get rid of the tubes, we don't need them anymore.......
so don't be afraid if your tubes dide out on you, the amp can still run...
program source is my midi player Bread was on deck...
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panasonic 2,2ufd polypropylene cap inserted at pins 2 and 3 on the 6n2 socket...
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first tried out a 10ufd cap but leads are not enough long to fit into tube socket
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a tube ss rectifer can be used also to get rid of the 5z4///
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Tube Exorcism completed....
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buhay pa sakura!!!
speaker: 5.25" Crystal SSX 510 made by Daichi !!!
player : PC
trip lang umulan ...
Take 1 using ASUS Smart Phone hehehehe. Lee Grane
soundcloud : https://soundcloud.com/user398571365/sounds-from-monday-night
backup singers >>> pusa
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very good sounds bosyo.....
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buhay pa sakura!!!
speaker: 5.25" Crystal SSX 510 made by Daichi !!!
player : PC
trip lang umulan ...
Take 1 using ASUS Smart Phone hehehehe. Lee Grane
soundcloud : https://soundcloud.com/user398571365/sounds-from-monday-night
backup singers >>> pusa
ang lupit ng backing vocals talo yung lead singer hehehe! Nice sound bro!
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OT lang po for the benefit of everyone: dumaan ako sa calatagan st,Palanan, Makati kanina,looking for rene rivo's Hyperaudio. wala na pala dun. nasa paranaque na daw.
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OT lang po for the benefit of everyone: dumaan ako sa calatagan st,Palanan, Makati kanina,looking for rene rivo's Hyperaudio. wala na pala dun. nasa paranaque na daw.
hanapin mo na lang sa facebook....https://www.facebook.com/renerivo?fref=ts
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ok,thanks for the info sir! :)
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very good sounds bosyo.....
@Master Tony
source pala ay youtube SANA by Lee Grane
may clipping/distortion pala ngayon ko lang napansin naka max ang recording level nang phone.
test ko minsan using pcm/lossless recording.
lagyan ko muna nang sound diffuser, kumot at sinampay ni misis ang loob ng kwarto.
hahaha
ang lupit ng backing vocals talo yung lead singer hehehe! Nice sound bro!
sunod aso naman labrador, rottweiler at dalmatian ang backup singers hehehehe.
pag nakaluwag sound trip tayo ni xbase sa house mo.
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sunod aso naman labrador, rottweiler at dalmatian ang backup singers hehehehe.
pag nakaluwag sound trip tayo ni xbase sa house mo.
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ayos bro puro bardagul mga yan sigurado bilog boses ala scotty wright hehehe. Sige pag maayos na ang lahat session tayo
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Can you guys recommend a shop or person who can professional tweak or check my Sakura?
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^the Sakura is an el-cheapo amp.....love it or leave it...
it is by far the biggest bang for the buck of an amp....
spending more than you pay for is giving up the novelty of the amp....
besides why buy the amp in the first place if you think that you have to modify it?
the Sakura is tough act to follow, even i can not make something similar for its looks and power at that price...
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While my wife is busy shopping, I find myself listening to entry level tannoy and mordaunt short carnival at the appliance center located at the food court in Sta. Lucia East Grand Mall. To my surprise, they have a Sakura AV-200T amp on sale for 5K! hehehe! Listened to it na din. Ok naman tumunog considering the price.
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you can still get it for 3,500 if you buy it in quantities...
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you can still get it for 3,500 if you buy it in quantities...
Damn! How could they do that? Thats sooooo cheap and considering the shipping and mark-up, how could the chinese build an amp for 20-30 USD?
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Damn! How could they do that? Thats sooooo cheap and considering the shipping and mark-up, how could the chinese build an amp for 20-30 USD?
building them by the hundreds of thousands....
i was asking my Pinoy friends in China to source this amp out and get price breaks for 100 units,
no luck so far....
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building them by the hundreds of thousands....
i was asking my Pinoy friends in China to source this amp out and get price breaks for 100 units,
no luck so far....
I agree, really puzzling, but what,s amazing is that, the products work!
Sir Tony, might be OT but, what is your opinion of the Chinese-made Little Bear amps (Tube buffer $49 / tube preamp $75!!!/ etc) ?
And they,re getting " generally" good reviews in fora like DIY & Audiokarma !!!
I,m being tempted to try haha...
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I agree, really puzzling, but what,s amazing is that, the products work!
Sir Tony, might be OT but, what is your opinion of the Chinese-made Little Bear amps (Tube buffer $49 / tube preamp $75!!!/ etc) ?
And they,re getting " generally" good reviews in fora like DIY & Audiokarma !!!
I,m being tempted to try haha...
up to you....it's your money....
i do not read reviews, i find them boring....i never let my self get blah blahed.... >:D
your best bet is to look for someone with a unit you can audition....
and then decide for yourself...do not let yourself be swayed,
trust your own ears only....
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still enjoying my 10.2 Wharfies with this amp at eargasmic volumes! \m/
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SAKURA? mas mainam mag pa assemble na lng kayo ng tube amp kaysa bumili ng sakura tube tapos i modify lng din pla ....
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yap,mas mainam magpa assemble ng tube amp yun nga lang mas mahal,cheapest i know is 22k.
kaya yung iba, gusto sakura kc 4k pesos lang sa raon quiapo,puwede pa tumawad tapos pa modify yung sakura kay rene rivo for a total of 8k which includes the initial 4k sakura.(ewan kung nagtaas na cya).
in short,22k vs 8k. price difference is 14k pesos. but if budget permits, best pa rin yung pa assemble ng tube amp talaga.
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SAKURA? mas mainam mag pa assemble na lng kayo ng tube amp kaysa bumili ng sakura tube tapos i modify lng din pla ....
aba...mahirap yatang tapatan ang Sakura na yan....wala akong klalalng dy'er na kaya ang 4k na budget...
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Mga sirs, san ba sa Raon okay bumili nitong SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp?
Iyong nakikita kong "SAKUA" label at the back from previous postings, is that fake or talagang ganun label nun (misprint).
Thanks po.
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try mo sa Jems, or sa hilera ng deeco......
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Thanks po sir Tony.
Iyong "SAKUA" printed label sa likod ok lang ba yun or fake un?
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fake or not, they are all made in china....;)
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hehehe..
iyong sa "authorized" dealer, SAKUA rin naka print sa likod?
Thanks po.
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hehehe..
iyong sa "authorized" dealer, SAKUA rin naka print sa likod?
Thanks po.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260006.jpg)
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^the Sakura is an el-cheapo amp.....love it or leave it...
it is by far the biggest bang for the buck of an amp....
spending more than you pay for is giving up the novelty of the amp....
besides why buy the amp in the first place if you think that you have to modify it?
the Sakura is tough act to follow, even i can not make something similar for its looks and power at that price...
Actually I just wanted to fix/tweak the popping/cracking sound upon starting it.
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Actually I just wanted to fix/tweak the popping/cracking sound upon starting it.
does it pop/crack even if the volume is turned down?
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Actually I just wanted to fix/tweak the popping/cracking sound upon starting it.
pm mo si markrenz or vhinx or si sansui dan, they are the ones who can help you...
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Thanks pTrader and tony for the feedbacks...
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there is also a seller who is a member here, merong silang
store sa saint francis square, malapit sa sm megamall...
looks like walang stock sa raon, wala akong nakitang display,
dati kahit sa deeco meron, 4500 ang price...
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yup kagagaling ko lang sa Jems, kung saan ko nabile yung unang unit ko,
matagal na nga raw walang stock....
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I just came from Raon. Merong stock iyong store sa 2 O'Clock ni Deeco, forgot the name. P4300 minus 15% or so dicount=P3700.
Kaso sabi ng tindero dami daw sumosoli, nasisira daw iyong tube. :(
So hindi ako bumili hehe
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I just came from Raon. Merong stock iyong store sa 2 O'Clock ni Deeco, forgot the name. P4300 minus 15% or so dicount=P3700.
Kaso sabi ng tindero dami daw sumosoli, nasisira daw iyong tube. :(
So hindi ako bumili hehe
merong design flaw na madali namang ayusin, nai-post ko na yan several years ago...
magkano kaya ang mga returns? masarap kunin yan at ayusin...:D
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pm mo si markrenz or vhinx or si sansui dan, they are the ones who can help you...
Thanks. Will do PM them, cheers.
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yap,mas mainam magpa assemble ng tube amp yun nga lang mas mahal,cheapest i know is 22k.
kaya yung iba, gusto sakura kc 4k pesos lang sa raon quiapo,puwede pa tumawad tapos pa modify yung sakura kay rene rivo for a total of 8k which includes the initial 4k sakura.(ewan kung nagtaas na cya).
in short,22k vs 8k. price difference is 14k pesos. but if budget permits, best pa rin yung pa assemble ng tube amp talaga.
Bro Pa PM naman contact details nung gumagawa ng diy tube amp
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Sir Tony,
I have no idea if they are reselling the returns. Baka binabalik sa supplier? :)
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Sir Tony,
I have no idea if they are reselling the returns. Baka binabalik sa supplier? :)
kadalasan isa lang ang importer nyan, then maraming resellers....
i will also ask around pag nagawi ako ng raon...
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will be in raon next week will ask around from my usual sources....
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went to Jems first week of Jan. 2016 still no stocks...i asked them about returns and if they have those,
the lady owners said she returned to distro but wouldn't tell me, for obvious reasons...
meanwhile a guy i met at OLX sent me his broken AV200, trouble was no sound,
as one of the big tubes was not lit, i told him to swap tubes, but the tubes seem okay...
what i found out was the the 5volt feed has burned contacts in one of the tubes...
fix was to disable those big tubes and do a 2 resistor mod....
now it plays good music.....
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no, i did not nudify this amp, the owner did...:D
i put back the two big tubes para naman mabalik ang porma....;)
disabling the two big tubes shaves off about 20 watts of meralco bill...
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no, i did not nudify this amp, the owner did...:D
master is that a word play o iba nasa isip mo when you posted? ;D ;D ;D
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master is that a word play o iba nasa isip mo when you posted? ;D ;D ;D
ikaw naman, di ba't nahubaran yung amp? >:D
i was reading posts from Bogelinda when posted this.... ;D
btw, those who want to retain the big tubes, i recommend direct soldering of
wires, 2A is simply too much for a skimpy connector.... ::)
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power consumption at volume zero...
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power draw at moderately high volumes....
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Is that the Sakura av200t in the new smart tv commercial? ....nice
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have not seen that one....do you have links?
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Anlakas pala ng power cosumption haha. Pano kung nakabukas pa yung apat na tubes?
Going strong pa rin ang sakura ko. Malapit na mag 1 year. :D
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Anlakas pala ng power cosumption haha. Pano kung nakabukas pa yung apat na tubes?
Going strong pa rin ang sakura ko. Malapit na mag 1 year. :D
add about 20 watts more....;)
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Bro Pa PM naman contact details nung gumagawa ng diy tube amp
ako din po sir baka pwede din po pa pm yung contacts or details ng gumagawa ng DIY tube amp.
btw nabasa ko po na si sir rene r. Nag momod ng sakura tube amp. Nagbebenta din po ba sya ng modded sakura tube amp? Kasi pahirapan po ang pagbili ng amp sa raon. Kadalasan out of stock po eh. Salamat po
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mukhang phased out na, i was trying to buy even the defective units, wala akong makuha...
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mukhang phased out na, i was trying to buy even the defective units, wala akong makuha...
That's why I'm keeping mine.. hehe!
Im seeing the consumption as 19w and 60w. Do you think the Av400 has an even larger power consumption?
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That's why I'm keeping mine.. hehe!
Im seeing the consumption as 19w and 60w. Do you think the Av400 has an even larger power consumption?
bigger because of tube rects....btw, gave you tried removing the big tubes?
i think that in your unit pwede yan....can you confirm?
, i remember working on that one model type...
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mukhang phased out na, i was trying to buy even the defective units, wala akong makuha...
Try here....
https://www.facebook.com/hypersoundhybrydtubeamp/?ref=aymt_homepage_panel
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May stock na ulit ng av200 sa raon, nagprice increase lang from 3400 to 4200
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will check this out soon.....
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nabili ko yung sa akin last november 30 yung iba matigas sa presyong 4.6k (nakuha ko ung saken 4.2k) tiyaga tiyaga lang maghanap sa maliliit na store.
eto yung video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_RcAumCH7A&feature=youtu.be
meron din sa western appliances sa sta. lucia mall kaso mataas 5.7k
sakura av200T (stock) + Fioo x3 + canton karat 20= :)
sana meron upgraded na sakura malapit saken (pasig) para macompare ko ung difference. maraming salamat :)
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anyone can recommend a good store in raon? will be buying av200T :)
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try mo sa JEMS, corner ng evangelista at g. puyat sa raon...
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try mo sa JEMS, corner ng evangelista at g. puyat sa raon...
thanks Sir. Question po, may nababasa aqng comments ( sa fb ata) na di talaga sya Tube Amplifier at need pa ng tweaks para masabi tlga na Tube Amplifier sya?
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hybrid, ss ang power samp section, then tube buffers, kaya me tube...
nothing you can do to make it a pure tube amp without spending
as much as a new diy tube power amp...
thanks Sir. Question po, may nababasa aqng comments ( sa fb ata) na di talaga sya Tube Amplifier at need pa ng tweaks para masabi tlga na Tube Amplifier sya?
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hybrid, ss ang power samp section, then tube buffers, kaya me tube...
nothing you can do to make it a pure tube amp without spending
as much as a new diy tube power amp...
Thanks Sir.
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welcome, btw, i was at Jem's yesterday, still no stock for sale...
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There's one in the MP
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,208709.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,208709.0.html)
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Hi guys want to ask ano ang pinag ka iba ng av-200t at av225t?
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Hi guys want to ask ano ang pinag ka iba ng av-200t at av225t?
fi ko pa nahawakan so hanggat hindi ko nakikita ng malapitan ang loob, i would suspect it to be the same....
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thanks sir tony...
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welcome.....:D
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Hi, Nice to meet you Anthony and all! I am J, an old DIY tinkerer. Just picked up this amp here in TH and it looks to be stock, although the seller got it from Manila and mentioned Rene and led me to believe he built it.
8-( Big let down... :(
But inside the bottom it is signed in magic marker,
"VOL.Cuhol
12-6-12"
The u could be 'a' or something. Any ideas on that?
Could I bother you for some advice/help?
Could you give me a few mods to tweak this av200t? It seems to be an early model, but the speaker pop relay is black, not orange like mentioned in the thread. I read something about a tweak that would increase output by 20 watts or so, but can't find it now.
All replies appreciated!
J
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the only mod that i did and recommend is to parallel the sections of the 6n2 dual triode, small tubes in front...this is a design flaw that leads to cathode poisoning that u have seen in at least 3 units that was brought to me...
power remains the same using the same power traffo...
the connectors feeding the filaments can burnout in time,,,the color of the relay makes no difference as long the speaker delay worked...
fyim i turned down a lot of requests modding this amp,
i told them bring the amp to me when it no longer worked,
otherwise just leave it alone and use it...
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Quick answer appreciated, thank you Mr. Tony!
I asked about the signing inside as I was told this was a built version. Does anyone here sign and date their work?
All the caps look stock, but there is something odd on the pcb. It looks like someone has laid down a thin line of solder following many of the traces. They must have had a steady hand, that's for certain! Ever seen such a thing?
I will read more and see if I can figure out how to 'parallel the sections...' you mentioned.
I mentioned the relay color as a help to identify a version or age of this thing. One 4700u cap is loose, I'm hoping that will solve the one bad channel problem.
Cheers!
J
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Did I mention mine has the 'Sakua' sticker on the back? Here is the SS section. Stock, correct?
J
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in all likelihood they used wave soldering machine on those boards,
if you can
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And here are the soldered traces I mentioned. Does anyone else have this? I've never seen it!
All comments welcomed.
Thanks,
J
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these are the early versions, the latest ones i saw did not have speaker delay relay and used vertical sub boards on the main power amp board...
Did I mention mine has the 'Sakua' sticker on the back? Here is the SS section. Stock, correct?
J
(http://photouploads.com/images/57e8e8.jpg)
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Does that speaker delay mess with the output signal? What are your thoughts on those soldered traces?
thanks again,
;)
J
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^^i do not think so.....
i was at deeco raon yesterday and they have on display the AV-200 with a tag price of 4795 pesos....
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Anybody has the schematics of this amplifier? I have one unit now and the volume from the L and R channels are not the same. Seems a good time to do some mods starting with the amp board.
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replace the input caps of the power amp board with a film cap type...
the power amp input ecap could be leaky, a 1ufd film cap will do nicely,......
while you are at it, parallel the miniature tube unused pins, 1//6; 2//8; 3//8.....
less ecap to worry about.
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how about sir tony yung mas maliwanag yung isang tube na malaki compare sa tube na isa, like say yung left tube mas maliwanag compare mo sa right tube? may problema po ba yug amp or yung tube lang?
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as long as the sound is right, no worries...
yours is a typical newbie reaction, there will be more,
just keep asking...
how about sir tony yung mas maliwanag yung isang tube na malaki compare sa tube na isa, like say yung left tube mas maliwanag compare mo sa right tube? may problema po ba yug amp or yung tube lang?
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thanks sir tony, i was relieve maraming salamat po.
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Got my new Sakura V-225t vacuum amp at raon, swabe ang tunog this is the upgrade version of the V-200t. Mas malakas ng konti kc 225 wpc na to. Very happy with my purchase at 4,700 pesos😊
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saang store yan?
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saang store yan?
me nakita ako sa DEECO na ganyan, below 5k ang price...
meron din sa LAZADA......http://www.lazada.com.ph/sakura-av-225t-vacuum-tube-amplifier-16259791.html?ff=1
COD pa, and delivered right to your doorstep....
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How much would a basic tube amp costs? Me nabibili ba na stock or talagang dapat mag pa DIY? Thanks po!
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kits coming out of china, meron din na gawa na from china...
contact Joel Herrera of facebook and his Econolytez page for more info..
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Kuya can you give me an estimate please?
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i have no idea on china costs, this sakura amp is a good entry level amp...
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Thanks po! So plug n play na yang sakura. No more component to change.
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sir tony may posibilities na mag run to into pure tube sounding?
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sir tony may posibilities na mag run to into pure tube sounding?
hybrid kasi yan, ss amp ang nagda drive sa speakers, yung tubes pang gulat lang sila sa amp na yan...
kaya nga mura eh....
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Update: Took my "Sakua" (no 'r') 200T in to an (old) old school guy I found in BKK for the 'no output at all' problem. He couldn't find the problem right away, so spent a few days on it. Changed the 4 transistors, the 4 big resistors, various caps... :o
But got it working fine. :)
Cost me 1000Bt (1500PHP) but I never would have figured it out myself. :o
He couldn't understand me about the small tube jumpers, so I will do that myself... later.
Thanks again!
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Update: Took my "Sakua" (no 'r') 200T in to an (old) old school guy I found in BKK for the 'no output at all' problem. He couldn't find the problem right away, so spent a few days on it. Changed the 4 transistors, the 4 big resistors, various caps... :o
But got it working fine. :)
Cost me 1000Bt (1500PHP) but I never would have figured it out myself. :o
He couldn't understand me about the small tube jumpers, so I will do that myself... later.
Thanks again!
did you check out if your speakers burned out?
with output transistors burned like that, speakers are suspect...
if your speakers survived and did not burn out, i will call that luck....
was that really the problem? could be after all the relays were
there just to delay the speaker connections and not to
protect them...
just about any 6 volt twin triodes will work here, 6bq7, 6bk7, 6aq8, 6dj8 and siblings, even the 7dj8 will do...
jumper pin 1 and pin 6, pin 2 and pin 7, pin 3 and pin 8, doing so doubles your transconductance and lowers distortion some more...
have fun.....
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Aack! I'm glad my DIY design full-range speakers didn't burn up! Maybe the guy I bought this from burned his speakers?
(http://photouploads.com/images/1a79b2.jpg)
I also found NOS tubes in Bangkok chinatown. I picked up 6r-hh2 which is the same as 6dj8 I think. Don't know how they compare as just got the amp working. http://tubedata.milbert.com/sheets/133/6/6R-HH2.pdf (http://tubedata.milbert.com/sheets/133/6/6R-HH2.pdf)
(http://photouploads.com/images/e76cfa.jpg)
The guy used the same transistors, D781. Would the lm1875 or something sound any better?
example http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/chip-amps/123255-beginners-gainclone-hifi-lm1875-amplifier-board.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/chip-amps/123255-beginners-gainclone-hifi-lm1875-amplifier-board.html)
Cheers!
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6rhh8 or 6rhh1 can also be used...
lm1875 is a different beast altogether, your power amp section is made up of discretes......
but if you want to replace the ss amp board, better go with the lm3886 instead...
note also that the ss amp board provides regulated +-12 volts to the tone control/buffer boards...
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Thank you, Amp is now working fine as is. nuff is nuff! :P
Cheers.
J
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Just purchased a sakura av225t sa raygin raon got it for php4200 yesterday happy naman ako sa performance niya...
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update ko lang totoo ba to? 94,955.00??? sa lazada grabe naman >:(
https://www.lazada.com.ph/sakura-av-225t-vacuum-tube-amplifier-84079181.html?spm=a2o4l.searchlist.list.2.79ef10caSz2pfO
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^that is truly insane...
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baka wholesale for a certain quantity ;D
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Ask ko lang po. Saan pede magpa modify ng sakura av225 tube amp?
Thanks
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bakit mo binili yan? malaki gastos sa mods.....better kung bumili ka ng branded na true tube amp like yaquin or cayin...
ang take ko sa sakura love it or leave it...
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ano maganda ipartner na speakers para dito?
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90 db or better
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ok kaya i pair ito sa Audio Mini 6J1 Valve & Vacuum Tube Pre-Amplifier from Lazada :)
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bakit pa?
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buhay pa sakura :)
(https://i.imgur.com/vv9O7ow.jpg)
na curious lang sa open baffle. na pa wow ako hehhe kaya upgrade ko na lang ng 3way setup horn or dome tweeter + 8inch mid + 12inch low speaker
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possible kaya lagyan ng Bluetooth module? 😊 TIA
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ask ko lang kung ano yung model ng tube ng sakura both small and big ones?
ok lang din bang mawala yung "thud" sound pa na turn on na yung amp?
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5z4 rectifier tubes, 6n2 dual triode...
some models have the relay come on quickly thus the thud sound....this sakura has undergone several revisions, i have seen at least 4 kinds...
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5z4 rectifier tubes, 6n2 dual triode...
some models have the relay come on quickly thus the thud sound....this sakura has undergone s revisions, i have seen at least 4 kinds...
salamat sir tony :)
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possible kaya lagyan ng Bluetooth module? TIA
Wi-Fi streamer module or receiver na lang...
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Mayroon po ba nag modify ng av225t dto?
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May available replacement board na ba yan sa shopee or lazada?
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LOOK MA, NO TUBES........
this is my final hack for the Sakura AV200...get rid of the tubes, we don't need them anymore.......
so don't be afraid if your tubes dide out on you, the amp can still run...
program source is my midi player Bread was on deck...
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panasonic 2,2ufd polypropylene cap inserted at pins 2 and 3 on the 6n2 socket...
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first tried out a 10ufd cap but leads are not enough long to fit into tube socket
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a tube ss rectifer can be used also to get rid of the 5z4///
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Tube Exorcism completed....
ask ko lang po kung you still have pics of this exorcism... salamat po..
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sorry i no longer have my photobucket account...
but the caps are connected between pins 2 and 3 on the 9 pin miniature tubes..
i also posted this on wiredstate.com maybe you will have better luck there...
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sorry i no longer have my photobucket account...
but the caps are connected between pins 2 and 3 on the 9 pin miniature tubes..
i also posted this on wiredstate.com maybe you will have better luck there...
salamat salamat.. will check wiredstate :)
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Need referral for repair of my AV-200T, unstable ung output after 5 years, sulit na and maybe pwede na isabay ang upgrade.
baka may marecommend kayo, im located in pasig along marcos highway near marikina, cainta and antipolo