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Home Theater => General => Interconnects => Topic started by: spy45cal on Jul 08, 2006 at 08:17 PM
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Mga bro, im currently using audio pro 12ga for my front(5meters) and center(5meters) speaker, im planning to upgrade it... Ano ba ma-rerecomend nyo na speaker wire(12ga)?
TIA
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Try XLO, IXOS, ECOSSE etc
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Try XLO, IXOS, ECOSSE etc
Mga how much kaya per meter ng XLO, IXOS and ECOSSE? Which of the three would you prefer for front and center?
For Surround speaker, what kind of speaker wire would you reccommend?
My set up:
front : Wharfe 9.5
center : Wharfe 9CM
Surround : Wharfe 9DFS
Sub : DTX 4.12
AVR : HK235
TIA
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Mga how much kaya per meter ng XLO, IXOS and ECOSSE? Which of the three would you prefer for front and center?
For Surround speaker, what kind of speaker wire would you reccommend?
My set up:
front : Wharfe 9.5
center : Wharfe 9CM
Surround : Wharfe 9DFS
Sub : DTX 4.12
AVR : HK235
TIA
XLO er-14 P100/ft sa Watts hi fi...for your surrounds kahit gauge 14-12 ok na... ;) PM mo din audioworld...distributor ata sila ng XLO. ;) kung gusto mo bi-wire eto: http://www.xloelectric.com/programs/productCategory.php?category=3&productCode=Ultra%2012&pictureSize=2 may stock ata ang audioworld nyan eh. ;D
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XLO er-14 P100/ft sa Watts hi fi...for your surrounds kahit gauge 14-12 ok na... ;) PM mo din audioworld...distributor ata sila ng XLO. ;) kung gusto mo bi-wire eto: http://www.xloelectric.com/programs/productCategory.php?category=3&productCode=Ultra%2012&pictureSize=2 may stock ata ang audioworld nyan eh. ;D
Thanks bro, match kaya ito sa gears ko?
Totoo ba na kailangan match yung speaker cable (branded) na gamit mo sa speakers and receiver na gamit mo?
TIA
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Hindi po totoo iyan matching ng speaker cables.
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Hindi po totoo iyan matching ng speaker cables.
Pero sir malaki ba ang difference ng performance ng branded cables (like xlo, eccose, ixos) compare to audio pro, quantum etc...
TIA
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Base sa experience ko hindi ko ma-distinguish iyung branded o hindi, silver man o copper. As such, ginamit ko iyung hindi sobrang cheap at hindi expensive - basta nasa Php 600 or less ok na. Gamit ko Klotz IC at DIY speaker cables (iyung 2 wire pair). Haoshao kasi sa akin mga mamahaling branded cable at kung meron man effect napaka subtle, hindi worth ng time ko. Puwede na Audio pro mo, di ka na mapapahiya.
Kung mahilig ka mag DIY sa IC ...
Bumili ka ng 2pcs 10uH na choke coil at 2pcs 2K resistor sa Alexan at i-connect mo iyung 1 coil at resistor in series. Iyung end points nito pupunta dun sa + and - signal rail nung left channel IC. Ulitin mo uli sa natitirang coil at resistor at ikabit naman sa right channel.
Iyung ganitong cable naiintindihan ko kasi may basehan. Iyung inductor tumataas iyung boltahe niya with respect to frequency dahil iyung di/dt (change of current with respect to time) tumataas. Labas nito magiging mas "bright" iyung tunog.
Kung sa speaker cables naman ...
Kung natatalasan ka naman sa tunog puwede ka maglagay ng 10nF capacitor dun sa speaker terminals mo. Kung di umubra lakihan mo, gawin mong 22nF.
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Karamihan sa mga branded na mamahaling speaker cables marketing o haoshao para sa akin. Kung totoo iyung sinasabi nila bakit di ganoong apparent iyung ganda? Mas malaki pa epekto ng paglalagay ng piyesa may sapat na values hindi iyung pF (1 x 10e-12) o nH (1 x 10e-9) na naka-quote sa specs nila.
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Bles the one who see the difference, just me
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you have to find out on your own. ;) kung gusto mo talaga marinig difference..mag bi-amp ka...pag di pa naman gumanda yan..ewan ko na lang. ;D Ganda speakers mo...ganda rin pang music ;) Sayang naman kung chipipay na cables lang ilalagay mo.
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you have to find out on your own. ;) kung gusto mo talaga marinig difference..mag bi-amp ka...pag di pa naman gumanda yan..ewan ko na lang. ;D Ganda speakers mo...ganda rin pang music ;) Sayang naman kung chipipay na cables lang ilalagay mo.
Your also correct....But many are actually driven by the price factor. The brand and price of the cable seem to push people near heaven. Of course in this hobby of ours you are somebody if you have all these expensive gears and accessories. Just by looking at your gears many people think that you are an audiophile. But sometimes that illusion is itself an enjoyment that most of us would like to achieve. Which route should we take is dependent on the size of our pocket. ;D
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I would also like to point out that having expensive gears do not ensure that you have good sound. Sometimes even entry levels beats the expensive ones. Upgrade ka ng upgrade pero di ka lumilingon sa pinanggagalingan mo ayun full circle ka pala.
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I would also like to point out that having expensive gears do not ensure that you have good sound. Sometimes even entry levels beats the expensive ones. Upgrade ka ng upgrade pero di ka lumilingon sa pinanggagalingan mo ayun full circle ka pala.
tumpak! may tama ka sir rascal! ;D
i call it - lateral upgrade- akala mo umangat ka na yun pala naiba lang ang tunog sa previous gears mo, extra gastos lang benta mura old gears, dagdag pera for new gears.
imo its still all about component matching to achieve system synergy. maski di expensive gears basta nakuha mo timpla sa panlasa mo, ayos, palakpakan! pero minsan naman kamot-ulo five-star multiawarded gears but still panget ang dating di magustuhan ng may-ari. cant seem to figure out why?
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Lesson learned sa mga nag-uupgrade dapat may reference para alam mo kung nasaan ka na.
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Thanks guys ha! Para tuloy ayaw ko na mag upgrade ng speaker cable, masyadong complicated... ??? Enjoy ko nalang yung present cable ko... ::)
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Mga sir, is it true na kapag awg#12 cable ang ginamit mo while you only need is awg#14 cable may power loss?
TIA
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Kung ako sayo, ang pagandahin mo na lang ung HT room mo..jan ka mag invest..siguradong worth it ang kalalabasan..kahit di mamahalin ang gears mo..sabi nga ng isang member dito, 50% nung HT mo is ur HT room. teka 50% nga ba ??? basta my point is pag maganda ang room mo..siguradong maganda ang tunog ;)
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Mas makapal ang AWG# 12 sa AWG# 14 hence mas mababa resistance niya. Kung mas mababa resistance mas mababa voltage drop and mas mababa power losses.
Basics
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Ohms Law
V = I x R
P = V x I
= I^2 x R
= V^2 /R
where,
V = voltage (volt)
I = current (ampere)
R = resistance (ohm)
P = power (watt)
Interpretation
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1. Current and resistance is directly proportional to voltage.
This means that an increase in these two parameters results to an increase in voltage
2. Voltage and current is directly proportional to power.
This means that an increase of these two parameter results to an increase in power.
In wires
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R = rho x L / A
where,
rho = constant of resistivity (varies according to which material you use eg copper or silver)
- silver has lower constant of resistivity
L = length of wire
A = cross sectional area of wire
Interpretation
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1. The length L is directly proportional to the resistance R.
This means that an increase in length results to an increase in resistance.
2. The cross sectional area A is inversely proportional to the resistance R.
This means that an increase in area means results to a decrease in resistance.
Mas makapal wire mas marami kuryente o current kaya. Actually hindi mo kailangan mataas na wire gauge kasi hindi naman constant iyung kuryente papunta sa speakers. Kaya nga kahit iyung AWG #20 kapag hinawakan mo hindi nag-iinit. Iyung ang ating basehan. Kung nag-iinit sa paghawak mo ibig sabihin hindi kaya nung wire kaya palitan ng mas mataas. Sa experience ko AWG #20 ok na.
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spy45cal
for me, 5 to 10%(max) of the total cost of my setup goes to ics & speaker cables.
cables are just a part of your whole setup,dapat magkasundo ang ic mo with source and amp; at ang speaker cables with the amp and speakers. component matching and system synergy ika nga ng mga audio gurus.
kung happy ka sa present cables mo, well and good. if you wana try new cables, its best that you audition it with your setup- how it will fit your needs, suit your taste. mahirap, pero thats the only way kasi mas mahirap yung uuwi ka bitbit bagong bili cables pero pag gamit mo na, kakamot-ulo ka - "bakit hindi yata ganito ang tunog nung nasa showroon ako ah?"
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Kung ako sayo, ang pagandahin mo na lang ung HT room mo..jan ka mag invest..siguradong worth it ang kalalabasan..kahit di mamahalin ang gears mo..sabi nga ng isang member dito, 50% nung HT mo is ur HT room. teka 50% nga ba ??? basta my point is pag maganda ang room mo..siguradong maganda ang tunog ;)
Sir what do you mean pagandahin? As in dedicated HT room ba?
spy45cal
for me, 5 to 10%(max) of the total cost of my setup goes to ics & speaker cables.
cables are just a part of your whole setup,dapat magkasundo ang ic mo with source and amp; at ang speaker cables with the amp and speakers. component matching and system synergy ika nga ng mga audio gurus.
kung happy ka sa present cables mo, well and good. if you wana try new cables, its best that you audition it with your setup- how it will fit your needs, suit your taste. mahirap, pero thats the only way kasi mas mahirap yung uuwi ka bitbit bagong bili cables pero pag gamit mo na, kakamot-ulo ka - "bakit hindi yata ganito ang tunog nung nasa showroon ako ah?"
Sir ano ba yung ics? Tama ka sir mas maganda talaga kung home audition muna yung cable bago bilin...
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ICs - interconnect cables
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Parang lalo ata ako naguluhan... ???
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I think he means ok na yang 12ga mo.
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Parang lalo ata ako naguluhan... ???
I think rascal is just proving to you (mathematically, at least) that it is not true.
I think he means ok na yang 12ga mo.
LOL! You just translated rascal's post in one sentence. ;D ;D ;D
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Akala ko sinabi ko na dun sa 1st paragraph na ok na iyung 12ga. Mas ok nga siya kaysa 14ga dahil mas makapal siya. ;D
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I use AWG 12 for speaker wires:
I did some research a while back....
http://groups.google.com.ph/group/alt.home-theater/browse_thread/thread/b66be7abf6cc17ff/a03bfab073b5331c?lnk=st&q=ericag_ph+lamp+cord&rnum=1&hl=en#a03bfab073b5331c
Mga sir, is it true na kapag awg#12 cable ang ginamit mo while you only need is awg#14 cable may power loss?
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rascal101, bumblebee, JojoD818, ericag_ph
Thanks mga bro... ;D Nakalimutan lang pala banggitin ni sir rascal101... ;D Now i understand... ;D hehehe... ;D
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;D ;D ;D
BTW, saan location mo sir? I see you use a 9.5 :D
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Mga sir, is it true na kapag awg#12 cable ang ginamit mo while you only need is awg#14 cable may power loss?
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how long is your cable?, if it is just a 10 foot run, then even a ga18 lampcord will do....
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Mga sir, is it true na kapag awg#12 cable ang ginamit mo while you only need is awg#14 cable may power loss?
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me power loss no matter what type or size cable you use, that is a fact of life! the real question in my mind is wheter they should matter or not.....
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Audibly, they don't matter. Check out some tests/write-ups performed at www.audioholics.com
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instead of whacking your brains about speaker wires, which in reality is a no brainer and a non-issue, why not go out and buy good dvd's not the pirated one's please ;D
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Enjoy the music not the wires ... ;D ;D ;D
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Enjoy the music not the wires ... ;D ;D ;D
instead of whacking your brains about speaker wires, which in reality is a no brainer and a non-issue,
Very true.
But I can't blame people with lots of money to burn who often make non-issues a cause for sleepless nights. ;D
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Well said ;D
Enjoy the music not the wires ... ;D ;D ;D
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But I can't blame people with lots of money to burn who often make non-issues a cause for sleepless nights. ;D
True indeed. Who knows, maybe aside from the music, these people also enjoy the thought of having a better speaker wire.
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I suspect this is like the "placebo effect" ... 2 sets of people were given real medicine and the others given a placebo (no medicine, but they thought it was medicine they were taking). Believe it or not, people got better even when taking the placebo.
So people who buy branded speaker wires will actually believe they hear better music. It's all in the mind, and one day, maybe they'll just plug entertainment directly into our brains, and we'll have no need for TVs, speakers, etc...
True indeed. Who knows, maybe aside from the music, these people also enjoy the thought of having a better speaker wire.
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If buying expensive speaker wires can give a person their peace of mind then this would be one of those rather scarce moments when we can buy peace of mind.
I agree with it's all in the mind thing, that's why it's confusing most of the time.
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Hi Guys!
Just to share some facts on speaker cables:
You can actually use a 24 AWG (GA) size speaker cable to as long as 20 feet with only 0.5dB loss. A 12 AWG speaker cable, on the other hand, can be as long as 285 feet. These are assuming that the speaker impedance is 8 ohms.
Nevertheless, losses may still increase if the materials used in the speaker cable are inferior (e.g. low quality copper, oxidation, poor insulation / dielectric).
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guys i have a room na i think kailangan nya ng 30ft. long na speaker cable for the surround speaker. are you saying na it doesnt matter which guage of cables i choose even if ung speakers ko is 150 watts?
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Length vs gauge of wires matter.
For longer runs, you need thicker gauge "daw". For 30 ft == 10 meters, I'd use 12 AWG...that's what I use.
You can use 10 AWG also, but for me it was too thick and impractical.
guys i have a room na i think kailangan nya ng 30ft. long na speaker cable for the surround speaker. are you saying na it doesnt matter which guage of cables i choose even if ung speakers ko is 150 watts?
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Sir what do you mean pagandahin? As in dedicated HT room ba?
Not necessary, take matzter's HT room as an example. Naka carpet, and may accoustic treatment ang mga walls. This will ensure na di mag bbounce ang at gagaralgal ang sound. ;D (feeling audiophile) :P
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guys i have a room na i think kailangan nya ng 30ft. long na speaker cable for the surround speaker. are you saying na it doesnt matter which guage of cables i choose even if ung speakers ko is 150 watts?
16AWG or 14AWG will do. I have Belden speaker cables available. Just PM me if interested. Thanks!
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Its about time to upgrade my speaker wires. I bought this today at Challenger for only 65sgd (2.2k pesos).
(http://www.bursma.com/images/bi/HTIBCV-KITpkgsm.jpg)
Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables
* Speaker cables have three times more copper content than ordinary cables for greater power transfer.
* Includes adapters for Sony® Dream Systems and Kenwood® system compatibility.
* Additional 10 ft. Monster® subwoofer cable for non-powered or passive subwoofers.
* All the right lengths of high performance speaker cable: 2 - 20 ft. front, 1 - 10 ft. center, and 2 - 35 ft. rear.
* High performance 8 ft. component video cable for improved home theater performance.
* DoubleHelix™ windings provide less loss and lower attenuation.
* Bonus speaker cable clamps included.
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Its about time to upgrade my speaker wires. I bought this today at Challenger for only 65sgd (2.2k pesos).
(http://www.bursma.com/images/bi/HTIBCV-KITpkgsm.jpg)
Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables
* Speaker cables have three times more copper content than ordinary cables for greater power transfer.
* Includes adapters for Sony® Dream Systems and Kenwood® system compatibility.
* Additional 10 ft. Monster® subwoofer cable for non-powered or passive subwoofers.
* All the right lengths of high performance speaker cable: 2 - 20 ft. front, 1 - 10 ft. center, and 2 - 35 ft. rear.
* High performance 8 ft. component video cable for improved home theater performance.
* DoubleHelix™ windings provide less loss and lower attenuation.
* Bonus speaker cable clamps included.
Wow, great buy ito at 2.2k ah. :o
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saan nakakabili nyan?
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saan nakakabili nyan?
Upss sorry forgot to mention, its from Challenger shop, Singapore. Sells like hotcakes here kasi yung MONSTER component cable pa lang eh worth 80sgd na.
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Upss sorry forgot to mention, its from Challenger shop, Singapore. Sells like hotcakes here kasi yung MONSTER component cable pa lang eh worth 80sgd na.
nyek! layo mo pala bro... manila pa ko eh... how much kaya aabutin kung pa LBC?
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san sa singapore yan bro. may website ba?
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Wala yatang online orders sa challenger shop eh. Here's the url:
http://www.challenger.com.sg/
Heto naman yung url nung Monster cable:
http://www.monstercable.com/MonsterWired/issue13/productPage_HTIB.asp?pin=1597
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Try sending a PM to ginamos (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=916). See his services here (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=56242.0).
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am rarin to get ecosse cs 2.3 but did some ht shop hoppin yesterday, unfortunately walang stock evrywhere..
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am rarin to get ecosse cs 2.3 but did some ht shop hoppin yesterday, unfortunately walang stock evrywhere..
Munskie, ilang meters ang kailangan mo? I think I saw one shop that selling ecosse 2.3 here in Makati.
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I need three x 2meters, so total of 6 meters, pa pm naman ng price and the location........ :) thanks a lot marc
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Its about time to upgrade my speaker wires. I bought this today at Challenger for only 65sgd (2.2k pesos).
(http://www.bursma.com/images/bi/HTIBCV-KITpkgsm.jpg)
Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables
* Speaker cables have three times more copper content than ordinary cables for greater power transfer.
* Includes adapters for Sony® Dream Systems and Kenwood® system compatibility.
* Additional 10 ft. Monster® subwoofer cable for non-powered or passive subwoofers.
* All the right lengths of high performance speaker cable: 2 - 20 ft. front, 1 - 10 ft. center, and 2 - 35 ft. rear.
* High performance 8 ft. component video cable for improved home theater performance.
* DoubleHelix™ windings provide less loss and lower attenuation.
* Bonus speaker cable clamps included.
I manage to setup the cables yesterday evening kaya puyat at kakarating lang ng opis. Epektib, may libre palang subwoofer cable for passive at active. Good buy talaga kasi from component at subwoofer cable pa lang eh worth more than 100sgd na ito. Parang bonus na lang yung 5.1 cables.
After the upgrade, I can confirm good cables do improve AV quality.
Using Star Wars Episode 3 as the demo disc:
After using the component cables, mas brighter ang colors nung projector output. I setup the cables then I also use the subwoofer cable as digital coax cable, laki din ng improvement. May mga sounds effects na previously mahina eh lumakas at noticeable na. Dati rin, nasa +30 ang volume now at +35 eh oks na.
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I need three x 2meters, so total of 6 meters, pa pm naman ng price and the location........ :) thanks a lot marc
tsk tsk tsk. Lumalala ata SARS mo ah. Hehehe ;D
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di naman sir, hehehe...ok naman kasi reviews ng ecosse 2.3, sir marc...somebody has informed me na wala na rin stock sa AA....wait na lang cguro ako next month... ;D ;D thanks for the offer though, ang babait talaga ng mga taga pinoydvd!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I use Ecosse 2.3 for my HF and IXOS 6006 for my LF (bi amp). They are a very good combination.
Ricky used to tell me that he doesnt believe in speaker cables. But when he came to our house to watch our demo disk project, I was experimenting on using the IXOS 6006 for my HF. It was too bright and many of the scenes we were watching were ear piercing. So I switched back to Ecosse 2.3 for the HF. And there, it was back to the crisp, clear sound (same scene) he used to hear in my setup. But he also noticed that some details were missing compared to before. I actually was experimenting using my IXOS 606 PAkora for the LF that time. Thanks ricky for your observations.
So my discovery, based on my personal experience this month experimenting w/ 4 speaker cables, is that bright cables like Ecosse and IXOS 6006 are suited for HT. It brings out the details and crispiness you need to hear from your speakers. Also good for instrumental music where you need to hear the HF and crisp mids.
Sweet sounding, laid back, etc, whatchamacallit cables are good for music, particularly vocals. This is my experience with IXOS 606 Pakora, VERY nice for audio. Lush vocals and very rich mids, wide soundstage. The difference was noticeable right away coming from using bright cables for a long time. I also experienced this with my BADA speaker cable, ito very laid back, parang polished yung vocals.
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Mden/cables.jpg)
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Ang problema ko ngayon, eh I am speaker cable "rolling" with the different speaker wire characteristics.
Kung baga sa tube: "tube rolling", palit palit based on your listening preference or type of music. Its tedious and magastos. :-\
What I can say regarding different speaker cables is: They are all good naman, but DIFFERENT from each other. No cable is "pangit" cuz it still depends on a lot of factors like system matching, type of use (HT or audio).
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matt, san mo na score yung mga banana plugs, the middle ones, are those monster brand? :)
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yung violet, gwafo! ;D
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Wow, great buy ito at 2.2k ah. :o
Hmmm, Its even cheaper at amazon, only 18.89USD (1k pesos).
Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00006IZUL/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/102-9492240-9689704?ie=UTF8&n=172282&s=electronics
Check the review as well.
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yung violet, gwafo! ;D
Agree ako dyan ;)
matt, san mo na score yung mga banana plugs, the middle ones, are those monster brand? :)
YEp, Monster. got them from the buy & sell section before.
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guys, any news yet kung me dumating na na ECOSSE CS 2.3 speaker wires sa mga AV shops?
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Just arrived.My Canare 4s11 cable for Biwiring ;D
(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/431/beldensc8.jpg)
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Just arrived.My Canare 4s11 cable for Biwiring ;D
(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/431/beldensc8.jpg)
Where did you buy this kit?
Thanks.
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I suspect this is like the "placebo effect" ... 2 sets of people were given real medicine and the others given a placebo (no medicine, but they thought it was medicine they were taking). Believe it or not, people got better even when taking the placebo.
So people who buy branded speaker wires will actually believe they hear better music. It's all in the mind, and one day, maybe they'll just plug entertainment directly into our brains, and we'll have no need for TVs, speakers, etc...
i am so sorry to disagree sir..i used to have the same disposition as yours...wires are wires...
until a salesman proved to me that speaker wires indeed introduce difference in audio quality. in the first place, come to think of it..why are some speaker wires more expensive than a really nice house and lot while a lot is just worth a day's work in the office? there must be something different about them...and believe it or not, there is....and until you hear them with your own ears, i might assume your ears are not as trained as you thought them to be. :)
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Wires w/ different LCR parameters will sound different.
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Sir Accastil,
If you believe that wires do make a difference and it pleases you I have no problem with that. However, a lot of people including me believe and understand that wires do not make a big difference. I have tried it in the lab, done simulation etc etc and I am not convinced it is anything but the wire.
For more details on this and how other people feel about you can check out a similar thread in this section.
Also, pls do not assume that the other peoples' ears are not as good as yours. Our hearing is highly subjective and best be left alone - it is difficult to argue against subjectivity.
Also, the LCR parameters on cables is minimal at best L -> a few microhenries, C -> less than 1 nanofarad and R -> dependent on the length of the wire. However, if both the L and R channels have similar lengths and their is minimal voltage drop -> no problem.
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upgrading speaker cables and interconnects?
i'm using CHORD CARNIVAL SILVER PLUS
http://www.chord.co.uk/chordweb/index2.htm
i believe available na dito complete line of CHORD cables & interconnects
http://www.chord.co.uk/chordweb/index2.htm
HI-FI PLUS
contact#s
526-3831
0918-8191400 jerome de guzman
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mga sirs..may nakita akong speaker cable, pero flat sya..okay ba ito? monster yung brand nya..
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If you change your speaker cable and it cost you much more than the old one would you say you're upgrading?
But if it produced loisy sound than the old one would you still say that your upgrading?
But if the price is much lesser and sound characteristic is far better than the old one would you say you are downgrading?
In this hobby everything is subjective.
Others may hear the difference others may not but it will always boils down to which do you think sounds best to your ear.
I have a barometer which sound characteristecs I find good, better or even best.
This is what I used when auditioning gears be it cables,speakers or amplifiers.
But sometimes these barometers are compromise by looks,quality, brand or price.
My 2 cents.
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upgrading speaker cables and interconnects?
i'm using CHORD CARNIVAL SILVER PLUS
http://www.chord.co.uk/chordweb/index2.htm
i believe available na dito complete line of CHORD cables & interconnects
http://www.chord.co.uk/chordweb/index2.htm
HI-FI PLUS
contact#s
526-3831
0918-8191400 jerome de guzman
*
Also available QED SILVER ANNIVERSARY XT -
price is 550pesos per meter for both CHORD CARNIVAL SILVER PLUS & QED SA XT
BOTH IME EXCELLENT TOP OF THE LINE ENTRY LEVEL SPEAKER CABLES
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In my experience, this is what I could share. It took me a while to develop my audio (and even HT) preferences, so I had to struggle.
I suggest you take time identifying what sound characteristic you prefer. You try to listen to other setup (sa shops or sa bahay ng iba nating kasamahan sa hobby, kung pu-pwede lang naman). In my case this is one reason why I went to shops like Architectural Audio (sarap dito!), What-HIFi, Digital Dreams, etc., and also to hi-fi shows like the one started WiredState (tama ba?). Ever since nagsimula ito lagi akong pumupunta. Sumasama din ako dati sa listening sessions kina Akyatbundok, sir Narayan, or bumibisita sa bahay ni Audioslave (may utang pa ko sir). Bukod sa marami akong napapakinggan, marami din akong natututunan sa mga mahuhusay at matagal na sa hobby na ito. Nagtatanong din ako madalas sa kanila personally or thru this forum. Tulad nung nag sisimula ako sa tubes natatanungan ko sina Rony, Oweidah, ArnoldC, at iba pa.
Marami nga ang nagsasabi dyan na subjective ang audio preferences natin sa hobby na to. I beleive na tama ito!
Therefore, after going thru all of those experiences of choosing a speaker cable (also applies to other audio gears), this is my recommendation on what should be done.
1. Establish ones preference by listening, as mentioned in the second paragraph of this post.
2. Search for experiences of other people and their general comments/impressions about the audio gear, speaker cable, interconnects, etc. that you are interested on. The Internet is one good source.
3. Find out the availability of the product, how can one acquire it and what is the cost.
3. Try as much as possible to be able to listen to the product(s) and be able to experience it fist hand. But, most of the time mahirap ito. So what I did in such cases is I ask questions from other colleages about their experiences with such product(s). I was able to confirm ang get good opinions naman, most of the time.
4. You have to learn to be patient (which is one trait you will need in this hobby) in order to avoid spending on the wrong product. Sometimes I wait for an oportunity to hear the product. Yes, I know matagal and nakakinip. I say this now because I learned na dumarating din ang araw na may shop or vendor na mag lalabas ng product na hinahanap ko or di kaya merong colleague na nakaka-bili nito. So nakiki listen na lang ako, hehehe.
5. Audition, audition, audition, audition. It can never be mentioned enough.
Well, hindi fool proof itong process na ito. Often before di ako makapag hintay or meron product that catches my attention and curiosity and I feel I really must listen to it. Kaya often I end up buying na rin, and often din I find out later na di ko gusto. So, it will be up to you na rin later on.
Ang point ko lang naman in all of this is to help out by not making you spend so much before settling on a product that you will eventually like.
Ako kasi dumaan na sa ilang cables (either bumili, naka hiram or nag DIY), like 2 flavors of IXOS (6006 and 6004 bi-wire cable) , XLO ER14, nakahiram ng ECOSSE CS2.3, QED Silver Aniv, DIY Belden CAT5E (I made two types), generic 12ga na AudioPro at Harris, heavy duty power cord na nabibili sa SM hardware store, Dali Red Wave, Lab47 OTA cable (hayun, putol-putol na), Audience Hookup Wire AA24 speaker cable (naibenta na). Mind you, kasama rin sa gastos ko yung mga various banana plugs and spades.
But finally I settled for the sound of this:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00790.jpg)(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00787.jpg)
Connected to speakers like this:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00875.jpg)(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00877.jpg)
These speaker cables provided the extended bass I've been looking for. Plus, these were able to control the high frequency output of my speakers by making it softer or rounder, which is actually the general characteristic of these cables. For me, those are what I prefer. Now I'm very happy.
Nung una, the bass was not as prominent. But after a number of hours of use, plus using the same cable as jumpers between LF and HF crossovers of the speaker I was able to obtain "my" desired results.
I'm not saying you get the same cables (pero pwede rin). But then again, as I mentioned, establish you personal preference first, then search for the speaker cable with such characteristic(s) you like. There is no guarantee that you will be successfull the first time. Maswerte ka if that will happen kasi less gastos at pagod. But at least you'll (hopefully) cut down on the cost in your search for your preferred speaker cable.
Yun lang po. Sana makatulong.
Salamat.
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sir bogsle - its been a hard days night to the long & winding road that (hopefully) leads to audio nirvana.... but it seems the journey is much fun as the summit itself - a never-ending quest ;D ;D ;D
speaker cables are just part of the whole. though they have their own sonic traits, they must blend with the amp & speaker used. ie- qed silver anniversary classic - best to liven up dull systems, taut controlled bass clear mids detailed open highs but be careful in matching, it tends to be brite with some amp/speakers. 8)
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Yes, the QED Silver Anniv characteristics were all those you mentioned, and I actually liked it also then. However, there was still the issue of controlling the HF of my system.
When I got the CS-122, the bass was not there yet. I noticed it was not as taut and defined before. But over time, the sound got better and I was getting the rounder highs (which I was expecting) and the more defined bass from my system.
I tried using the same CS122 cable as jumpers, and found out that I liked it even better. The sound became bigger and seemed to have more weight (mas malaman). I've tried different LF/HF jumpers like OTA cables, Audience Hookup wires, XLO ER14, QED silver anniv, AudioPro, Monster Cable, etc. However, I liked more the result from using CS122 as jumper cables over-all. This is what is shown now in the picture.
Sorry, medyo OT na ba?
By the way, thanks for all the help along the way.
Regards na lang.
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Mga sir, any one here have tried the Wireworld Oasis Speaker Cable? Baka meron kayo feed back, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Yes, the QED Silver Anniv characteristics were all those you mentioned, and I actually liked it also then. However, there was still the issue of controlling the HF of my system.
When I got the CS-122, the bass was not there yet. I noticed it was not as taut and defined before. But over time, the sound got better and I was getting the rounder highs (which I was expecting) and the more defined bass from my system.
I tried using the same CS122 cable as jumpers, and found out that I liked it even better. The sound became bigger and seemed to have more weight (mas malaman). I've tried different LF/HF jumpers like OTA cables, Audience Hookup wires, XLO ER14, QED silver anniv, AudioPro, Monster Cable, etc. However, I liked more the result from using CS122 as jumper cables over-all. This is what is shown now in the picture.
Sorry, medyo OT na ba?
By the way, thanks for all the help along the way.
Regards na lang.
sir boglse - its all about matching the speaker wire with your amp and speakers. and of course musical preference.
had a chance to use vdh cs122 last year. excellent mids great for center speaker duty in ht but sadly didnt match with my gears when it came to bass and treble. but for your setup swak siya. thats just the way it is....
now enjoying the "ultimate" entry level speaker cables available - chord carnival silver plus ang qed silver anniversary xt - cable rolling hehehe ... but still using the qed s.a. orig for HF ;D
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Wish we had some sort of speaker wire / interconnect member exchange here at pdvd where participating members can trade wires for a day or two just to check for synergy. This way, members can determine which cable best matches their setup without having to actually buy everything like bro bogsle did. Mechanics to preclude theft can be put in place when exchanging with total strangers. Of course between friends, this is not necessary. Waddya guys think - possible?
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Wish we had some sort of speaker wire / interconnect member exchange here at pdvd where participating members can trade wires for a day or two just to check for synergy. This way, members can determine which cable best matches their setup without having to actually buy everything like bro bogsle did. Mechanics to preclude theft can be put in place when exchanging with total strangers. Of course between friends, this is not necessary. Waddya guys think - possible?
in deed this is truly a great idea. just wanna share my experience with you guys from one of the member of tha other local hifi forum selling his speaker cable. went to his condo to inspection the item. told him that i'll come back the next day to pay him and asked him a money back guarantee. but what he did was he let me bring it home for auditioning. imagine, trusting a complete stranger without even asking any id, asking any questions. galing diba.
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sir boglse - its all about matching the speaker wire with your amp and speakers. and of course musical preference.
had a chance to use vdh cs122 last year. excellent mids great for center speaker duty in ht but sadly didnt match with my gears when it came to bass and treble. but for your setup swak siya. thats just the way it is....
now enjoying the "ultimate" entry level speaker cables available - chord carnival silver plus ang qed silver anniversary xt - cable rolling hehehe ... but still using the qed s.a. orig for HF ;D
Yeah you're right. I also read that VDH CS-122 are not very good for Home Theater speaker cables because of the softened highs.
But for my audio setup, swak na swak lang ito.
Salamat bro.
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But for my audio setup, swak na swak lang ito.
bro. thats all that matters. :)
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Its about time to upgrade my speaker wires. I bought this today at Challenger for only 65sgd (2.2k pesos).
(http://www.bursma.com/images/bi/HTIBCV-KITpkgsm.jpg)
Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables
* Speaker cables have three times more copper content than ordinary cables for greater power transfer.
* Includes adapters for Sony® Dream Systems and Kenwood® system compatibility.
* Additional 10 ft. Monster® subwoofer cable for non-powered or passive subwoofers.
* All the right lengths of high performance speaker cable: 2 - 20 ft. front, 1 - 10 ft. center, and 2 - 35 ft. rear.
* High performance 8 ft. component video cable for improved home theater performance.
* DoubleHelix™ windings provide less loss and lower attenuation.
* Bonus speaker cable clamps included.
may mabibilan ba nito locally?
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may mabibilan ba nito locally?
I can send one for u from Singapore @ 3k.
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totoo ba ito? balak ko gawin ito mamaya...the IC here is Inter connects (yung mga rca cable), right? O integrated circuit? hehehe
Kung mahilig ka mag DIY sa IC ...
Bumili ka ng 2pcs 10uH na choke coil at 2pcs 2K resistor sa Alexan at i-connect mo iyung 1 coil at resistor in series. Iyung end points nito pupunta dun sa + and - signal rail nung left channel IC. Ulitin mo uli sa natitirang coil at resistor at ikabit naman sa right channel.
Iyung ganitong cable naiintindihan ko kasi may basehan. Iyung inductor tumataas iyung boltahe niya with respect to frequency dahil iyung di/dt (change of current with respect to time) tumataas. Labas nito magiging mas "bright" iyung tunog.
Kung sa speaker cables naman ...
Kung natatalasan ka naman sa tunog puwede ka maglagay ng 10nF capacitor dun sa speaker terminals mo. Kung di umubra lakihan mo, gawin mong 22nF.
ito rin gagawin ko pwede ko ba ikabit sila pareho sa mga gamit ko ng sabay o they would just cancel out each other?
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In my experience, this is what I could share. It took me a while to develop my audio (and even HT) preferences, so I had to struggle.
I suggest you take time identifying what sound characteristic you prefer. You try to listen to other setup (sa shops or sa bahay ng iba nating kasamahan sa hobby, kung pu-pwede lang naman). In my case this is one reason why I went to shops like Architectural Audio (sarap dito!), What-HIFi, Digital Dreams, etc., and also to hi-fi shows like the one started WiredState (tama ba?). Ever since nagsimula ito lagi akong pumupunta. Sumasama din ako dati sa listening sessions kina Akyatbundok, sir Narayan, or bumibisita sa bahay ni Audioslave (may utang pa ko sir). Bukod sa marami akong napapakinggan, marami din akong natututunan sa mga mahuhusay at matagal na sa hobby na ito. Nagtatanong din ako madalas sa kanila personally or thru this forum. Tulad nung nag sisimula ako sa tubes natatanungan ko sina Rony, Oweidah, ArnoldC, at iba pa.
Marami nga ang nagsasabi dyan na subjective ang audio preferences natin sa hobby na to. I beleive na tama ito!
Therefore, after going thru all of those experiences of choosing a speaker cable (also applies to other audio gears), this is my recommendation on what should be done.
1. Establish ones preference by listening, as mentioned in the second paragraph of this post.
2. Search for experiences of other people and their general comments/impressions about the audio gear, speaker cable, interconnects, etc. that you are interested on. The Internet is one good source.
3. Find out the availability of the product, how can one acquire it and what is the cost.
3. Try as much as possible to be able to listen to the product(s) and be able to experience it fist hand. But, most of the time mahirap ito. So what I did in such cases is I ask questions from other colleages about their experiences with such product(s). I was able to confirm ang get good opinions naman, most of the time.
4. You have to learn to be patient (which is one trait you will need in this hobby) in order to avoid spending on the wrong product. Sometimes I wait for an oportunity to hear the product. Yes, I know matagal and nakakinip. I say this now because I learned na dumarating din ang araw na may shop or vendor na mag lalabas ng product na hinahanap ko or di kaya merong colleague na nakaka-bili nito. So nakiki listen na lang ako, hehehe.
5. Audition, audition, audition, audition. It can never be mentioned enough.
Well, hindi fool proof itong process na ito. Often before di ako makapag hintay or meron product that catches my attention and curiosity and I feel I really must listen to it. Kaya often I end up buying na rin, and often din I find out later na di ko gusto. So, it will be up to you na rin later on.
Ang point ko lang naman in all of this is to help out by not making you spend so much before settling on a product that you will eventually like.
Ako kasi dumaan na sa ilang cables (either bumili, naka hiram or nag DIY), like 2 flavors of IXOS (6006 and 6004 bi-wire cable) , XLO ER14, nakahiram ng ECOSSE CS2.3, QED Silver Aniv, DIY Belden CAT5E (I made two types), generic 12ga na AudioPro at Harris, heavy duty power cord na nabibili sa SM hardware store, Dali Red Wave, Lab47 OTA cable (hayun, putol-putol na), Audience Hookup Wire AA24 speaker cable (naibenta na). Mind you, kasama rin sa gastos ko yung mga various banana plugs and spades.
But finally I settled for the sound of this:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00790.jpg)(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00787.jpg)
Connected to speakers like this:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00875.jpg)(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00877.jpg)
These speaker cables provided the extended bass I've been looking for. Plus, these were able to control the high frequency output of my speakers by making it softer or rounder, which is actually the general characteristic of these cables. For me, those are what I prefer. Now I'm very happy.
Nung una, the bass was not as prominent. But after a number of hours of use, plus using the same cable as jumpers between LF and HF crossovers of the speaker I was able to obtain "my" desired results.
I'm not saying you get the same cables (pero pwede rin). But then again, as I mentioned, establish you personal preference first, then search for the speaker cable with such characteristic(s) you like. There is no guarantee that you will be successfull the first time. Maswerte ka if that will happen kasi less gastos at pagod. But at least you'll (hopefully) cut down on the cost in your search for your preferred speaker cable.
Yun lang po. Sana makatulong.
Salamat.
what brand and model of this cable?
for rear & surround speaker what cable did you use?
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what brand and model of this cable?
for rear & surround speaker what cable did you use?
Van Den Hul CS-122 lang po. It's using Eichmann Bayonet Plugs at each end.
No, this setup is for 2 channel audio only, not for HT. So there are no surround speakers here.
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sir available ba locally cs-122?
tnx
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Van Den Hul CS-122 lang po. It's using Eichmann Bayonet Plugs at each end.
how much kaya ito?thanks
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Van Den Hul Cables from Smart Home Automation & Entertainment Inc.
Contact: Frank Czudai
Cel: 0915 662 2873
VDH CS-122 = Php 1,100.00 per meter
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(http://www.bursma.com/images/bi/HTIBCV-KITpkgsm.jpg)
Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables
* Speaker cables have three times more copper content than ordinary cables for greater power transfer.
* Includes adapters for Sony® Dream Systems and Kenwood® system compatibility.
* Additional 10 ft. Monster® subwoofer cable for non-powered or passive subwoofers.
* All the right lengths of high performance speaker cable: 2 - 20 ft. front, 1 - 10 ft. center, and 2 - 35 ft. rear.
* High performance 8 ft. component video cable for improved home theater performance.
* DoubleHelix™ windings provide less loss and lower attenuation.
* Bonus speaker cable clamps included.
http://www.monstercable.com/MonsterWired/issue13/productPage_HTIB.asp?pin=1597
I have 1 set in Manila already. PM me if interested.
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Van Den Hul Cables from Smart Home Automation & Entertainment Inc.
Contact: Frank Czudai
Cel: 0915 662 2873
VDH CS-122 = Php 1,100.00 per meter
sir bogsle, meron pala authorized distributor(?) dito ang vdh. i'm also using vdh d102mk3 ic. ;D
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sir bogsle, meron pala authorized distributor(?) dito ang vdh. i'm also using vdh d102mk3 ic. ;D
Last year ko sila na meet sa show at Mandarin. They said they are now the only distributor of VDH in the Philippines.
Kaya lang medyo limited sila sa VDH products. Wala ngang interconnects eh. I was looking also for VDH D102MK3. They only have ICs by Cyrus or for Cyrus CDPs, something like that.
Pero maganda yung mga speakers na Elac nila, heheh OT na ba?
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sir bogs ganda ng speaker cable mo parang gusto kong gumawa din,
pwede po ba malaman kung mag kano inabot lahat?
ilang meter po ba yung cable?
tnx
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sir bogs ganda ng speaker cable mo parang gusto kong gumawa din,
pwede po ba malaman kung mag kano inabot lahat?
ilang meter po ba yung cable?
tnx
Cost breakdown of VDH CS-122 DIY Cable: (excluding the jumbers)
6 meters VDH CS-122 (1,100.00/meter) = 6,600.00
Eichmann Bayonet Plugs = 4,000.00
Shrink Tubes = 50.00
GRAND TOTAL = 10,650.00
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holy cow! :o 10k ang mahal pala, cat5 na lang ang gagawin ko. ;D
anyway thanks for sharing sir bogs
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Guys:
Saw gauge #8 wires in my favorite hardware store. Disposal price thats why I am considering.
Ok ba ito gamitin as Speaker wire?
Will it have significant improvement?
I am using now gauge#12 and gauge #14 speaker wires.
The copper wire is 8mm thick, almost double than the gauge 12.
How do I terminate it to connect sa binding post ng receivers?
I have banana plugs to the speakers but the binding post is so small. Are there spades, plugs or pins for the binding posts?
Do I need to cut it in same lenths even if my set-up is not "centered." My gears are all in one side.
Appreciate your thoughts.
Regards.
jadm72
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Jadm72,
Here's a link to give you a rough guide on what gauge to use, and with lots of other good info to boot.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable
As you will probably see, your 12 gauge wires would most likely be adequate for your needs, assuming you have a normal-sized room for your set-up.
Regards.
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no, you don't need the same lengths for your speakers.
you mean the gauge 8 wires can't fit the binding posts of the banana plugs? if yes, you can trim the copper strands til they fit ... otherwise, sa meralco wire mo na lang gamitin yan :) just kidding, you can try to look for soldered spades/banana plugs, mas walang limit yung size nun, kaya lang, 8 mm is gigantic ... ilan million watts yung amp mo? hehe
if you are already using gauge 14 and 12 wires ... no there won't be any improvement - refer to the chart that was posted by psychodreamer.
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Thanks for the reply guys.
I bought the wires already and are will try the connections. Natuwa lang ako, it was cheaper than the regular gauge 12, which I was supposed to buy (actually out of stock). Siguro with the high prices of metal (copper) these days, bawi na rin if sold by weight.
Just to illustrate, the cable circumference/diameter is about the size of the 25 centavo coin. I was told to use a hack saw to cut the pieces in the lengths I like.
I remembered seiing some friends' "garden hose" speaker cables costing 15 - 20K per 6ft pair. Ilusyon lang siguro yung akin.
The 14 meters was only less than 1k, so mga Php70 per meter?
psycho
Thanks for the link. Lampas na sa yung Gauge 8, hanggang gauge 10 lang yung sa table.
MikeC
The literature that cam with thw speakers recommends to have the same length even it is not the same distance from the amp or receiver, But you are correct, wala naman akong napansin na difference when i used oridnary speaker wire #16 before.
The binding posts I was referring to was for the receiver end. Iipitin na lang siguro yung bare wire. For the gauge 12 an 14, I can still form the bare wire as a small hook, then the plastic screw will press against wire. For the #8, i will be difficult to form a small hook or J.
I was trying thinking for easy testing, to use a "banana plug" like attachment on the receiver side.
For the banana plugs, the hole is just exactly a big as the copper.
I anything fails, gawin ko na lang power cord, wala lang ground? 600V yata ang rating indicated on the wire.
Actually, I may try to use it on a 1 or 3 watt amp I am eyeing to demo / purchase, if I cannot find a million watt amp to use the cables.
Cheers.
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out of curiousity.. where is this store located ?
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70/m is a very good price. sulit nga.
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Had these custom made abroad:
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Mden/sawa.jpg)
locking banana plugs
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Mden/cables.jpg)
Bada speaker wire, IXOS 606 Pakora, Ecosse 2.3 (14ga), IXOS gamma 6006 (11ga)
I dont know what guage they are, but one wire is as thick as the entire 3 braided strands of 11 ga IXOS 6006 (the gray one).
It sounded great so far w/ low wattage amps on some speakers, but it didnt sound great on some. Synergy is still the key in this hobby.
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Guys:
The store's name is Tensile Construction Supplies/ Hardware in Better Living Subdivision. But word of caution, pinagputulan na daw yung nabili ko and last piece na rin so they may not have it at the same price , they call it Royal Cord: Gauge 8. They have other sizes as well. You can try other large hardware stores or electrical supplies.
MikeC:
Kahit pang scrap yata puede. hehehe
Mat:
Yan ang gusto kong speaker wires 8), pambili na lang.
Just curious, When the wires are inserted at the back of the plugs, how does the plug hold the wires? My banana plugs seem to have a gap of about 5mm when fully pressed and looks loose when I tried to hold the wires.
I connect it from the hole on the side, so the contact is more firm? Ok ba yun?
Tumunog naman sa luma kong speaker wires.
Cheers.
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I use royal cord for industrial electrical uses. pang kuryente nga.
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hehe.. ;D
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Mat:
Just curious, When the wires are inserted at the back of the plugs, how does the plug hold the wires? My banana plugs seem to have a gap of about 5mm when fully pressed and looks loose when I tried to hold the wires.
Truth is bro, I dont know :-[. I had it made for me but never saw how it was done. I was wondering myself how it was connected to the banana plug
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Hi jadm72,
I am not sure if gauge 8 will provide improvement in the audio quality. In my experience, i use the appropriate wire thickness with the type of speakers, like:
- gauge 16-18 for surround
- gauge 14-16 for front and center
The signal flow is more efficient if the path matches the amount of signal flowing through it. It's like water flowing though a hose. If the diameter of the hose is too big for a smaller amount of water, then the water pressure is softer.
We usually use gauge 8-12 for large PA/Mobile installations where you see big boxes for live events/concerts. These large boxes usually have power outputs of from 400w to 800w being driven by amps of the same or higher wattage. This means that one needs a bigger gauge of speaker cables to accomodate the higher power output of the amp and the speakers.
This is just my 10 cents worth of experience. I hope it helps.
cyber
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HI,
the coils on your speakers can be anywhere from gauge 34 to 24.....how on earth can a gauge 8 help the sound? go figure... ;D you can get the biggest, most expensive cable your money can buy, but the fact remains, your speaker's coils uses dinky wires... ;D ;D ;D
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Gauge #8 ?!?! These are used as power cables na. Actually, my entry wires from the Meralco wires to the meter and into the house (circuit breaker) is Gauge8.
I think this is too much of an overkill, and may introduce power loss from the AVR to the speakers.
Gauge #14 nga lang yung gamit ko (longest cut is about 30feet). Gauge #12 was already too thick, and inconvenient (less flexibility, and harder to fit into the orange PVC pipes).
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hi friends!
just want to get your opinions on the following concerns:
1. what is the "ideal" wire gauge for ht? is it 12 or 14?
2. i bought speaker wires from jb music store. it's not branded though but i was told that it was the same kind used by musicians on their speakers during gigs. will it suffice or should i go for the branded ones (monster [said by many to be unreasonably expensive], etc...)? will there be a difference in sound quality/output between those from jb music store and those branded wires?
thanks so much! :)
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14. Easier to work on, cheaper than the 12.
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1. It depends on how long the cable is. Kung mahaba masyado, you need gauge 12. Look in the thread of Munskie's HT. There is a good link there on this topic.
2. Cable wire is not that critical. No need for Monster. Baka mahal pa nga ang sa JB Music store. Try Raon.
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on 1. Aim for 10 or 12. But the gauge to use is really based on length of wire. ie. the longer wire, use thicker gauge. 10 is too thick imho.
on 2. As long as you use decent/quality wire, it will suffice. Honestly I cannot hear the difference between expensive Monster speaker wires and ordinary electrical cord. If I can hear a 10x improvement, then maybe I'll pay the 10x more price tag on the branded wire. Same with choosing speakers, If they cost 3x more, but I only hear a 10% sound improvement, I probably won't bother. Therefore I use ordinary electrical cord (lamp cord/zip cord/extension wire) gauge 12. Check the links on my HT gallery on speaker wires: http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=55046.0
;D
hi friends!
just want to get your opinions on the following concerns:
1. what is the "ideal" wire gauge for ht? is it 12 or 14?
2. i bought speaker wires from jb music store. it's not branded though but i was told that it was the same kind used by musicians on their speakers during gigs. will it suffice or should i go for the branded ones (monster [said by many to be unreasonably expensive], etc...)? will there be a difference in sound quality/output between those from jb music store and those branded wires?
thanks so much! :)
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here's the link...this should help you a lot.....
Speaker Cable Gauge (AWG) Guidelines & Recommendations. (http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/speaker-cable-gauge)
In my end, I use 12ga for fronts, 14ga for surrounds.......im using monoprice cables. Very good build quality yet affordable.
(http://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/28171.jpg)
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thanks a lot munskie! based on the link you sent me, (which, by the way, was very helpful) gauge 14 will be ideal.
1. It depends on how long the cable is. Kung mahaba masyado, you need gauge 12. Look in the thread of Munskie's HT. There is a good link there on this topic.
2. Cable wire is not that critical. No need for Monster. Baka mahal pa nga ang sa JB Music store. Try Raon.
fronts would need about 4 meters each while surrounds would need around 8 to 10 meters. the wires from jb music cost around Php50-55/meter.
raon is a little far from my location. i'm based in subic and i don't go the manila that often. it's quite burdensome for me (driving, gas, toll fee ;D). i bought my wires at the mall nearest to my place -- sm pampanga. :)
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Munskie, where's this available? Thanks.
monoprice products are available online.....pay thru paypal then ship it thru JAC. ;)
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Hi guys i have a nad c315bee paired with wharfdale 9.1's. Problem is that i cant seem to connect these simple wires as i only have highs when it is connected to the upper terminals in the speakers. kung sa lower terminals naman mids lang.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks in advance for any advice
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Hi guys i have a nad c315bee paired with wharfdale 9.1's. Problem is that i cant seem to connect these simple wires as i only have highs when it is connected to the upper terminals in the speakers. kung sa lower terminals naman mids lang.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks in advance for any advice
Is the metal jumper still attached?
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The metal jumper is the brass thing connecting the 1st to the 3rd binding post (-) and the 2nd to the 4th binding post (+).
If there is no metal jumper and you attach the wires only to the two upper terminals, you would indeed just get highs and only the lows when connecting to the bottom two terminals.
Hope it helps.
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Yup, attach the jumpers or bi-wire. ;)
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Thank you very much, both of you have been very helpful. I did bi-wire it after a while but i didnt know i had to attach those jumpers.
Thanks again!
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Thank you very much, both of you have been very helpful. I did bi-wire it after a while but i didnt know i had to attach those jumpers.
Thanks again!
sir use jumpers instead:
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Kimber 4tc / cable
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anybody tried using two or three guage 16 wires together ?
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anybody tried using two or three guage 16 wires together ?
I'm sure this will be ok though I have'nt tried it yet. But why bother with this, it will be more expensive as compared to one run of 12 or 14 gauge! :o
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I prefer the sound of 12 gauge on the front and 16 on the surrounds.
you can find good or better quality wires online @ very cheap price even if you sum-up the shipping cost.
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I'm sure this will be ok though I have'nt tried it yet. But why bother with this, it will be more expensive as compared to one run of 12 or 14 gauge! :o
hehe... just curious if it'll sound better... cost wise, my current gauge 10 is quite expensive and using 2 guage 14 or 16 is still cheaper by 50%
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Buhayin lang ang speaker wire topic...
What's the benefit of "oxygen-free" speaker wire? Hindi mangingitim/oxidize?
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Pareho lang daw ang oxidation rates, e.
OFC is copper that was de-oxidized during the smelting process.
Historically, the "oxygen-free" spec arose from industrial applications where chemical purity is required to prevent unwanted chemical reactions. An example is an application where the copper material will be subjected to temperatures high enough to produce hydrogen embrittlement, such as during soldering.
In copper wires, hydrogen embrittlement can arise when ordinary industrial copper is soldered in an open environment, where the hydrogen in the air diffuses into the copper and reacts with the internally dispersed Cu20, producing internal holes that make the copper brittle.
However, whether the speaker wire uses oxygen-free copper or not, the wire will still oxidize at more or less the same rate, any difference in oxidation rates being too slight to be significant.
My theory is that changes in the copper could be caused by a chemical reaction between the wire and the insulation material, rather than by the oxygen in the copper itself.
Audioholics says:
Pursuing the Truth: The fact of the matter is that OFHC copper and pure unalloyed copper, both oxidize at around the same rates. Some cable manufacturers use the OFHC as an advertisement that it will not oxidize, or it will oxidize less than other copper conductor materials, but there is no truth to these claims.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/component-video-cables-the-definitive-guide/component-video-cables-the-definitive-guide-page-3
As for the chemical purity differences between OFC and ordinary copper, the speaker wire authority Roger Russel says:
Oddly enough, it isn't the freedom of oxygen in copper wire that makes any difference. The process of removing oxygen also removes the impurity of iron and it's this impurity that can cause the resistance to be slightly higher. The difference in resistance between copper wire and oxygen free copper wire is too small to be significant for speaker wiring. It can be considered to be ordinary copper wire as far as the recommended lengths of copper wire in the table. Oxygen free copper wire can be more expensive than ordinary copper wire.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#oxygenfree
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Personally, I would still recommend OFC cables not because they are "oxygen-free", but because the ones with OFC specs tend to have better quality, e.g.: higher quality construction and insulation materials.
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anybody tried using two or three guage 16 wires together ?
hi brother Jason,
you may want to try Belden cat5.... made in the USA... inexpensive & durable... bundle all wires as one... you need two runs per side... if bi-wire you will need 4 runs per side
or ordinary Phelp Dodge (or any local brand) royal cord awg 12/2 or 10/2... inexpensive... durable
cheers!!!
fer
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have the speaker wires with soldered termination, the noise reduction was night and day when I upgraded from a twisted pair generic to PAD Livewire. although the thickness and material used could have factored in too (it supposedly uses a higher amount of copper, etc, plus the cable is actually a twisted pair for each terminal, instead of per channel), I'd bet on the good termination more than these, since you can use these on any cable.
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how about the usual lan (cat5) cable?
its shielded and pretty thick .. :)
i have a couple of meters of this, so is it ok to use this instead? :D
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yes, belden cat5 cables we used for LAN here at home to connect wired computers... very good insulation and shielding kasi computers are sensitive to noise interference
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yes, belden cat5 cables we used for LAN here at home to connect wired computers... very good insulation and shielding kasi computers are sensitive to noise interference
thanks bro .. this will save me a lot of money .. :D
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thanks bro .. this will save me a lot of money .. :D
that is exactly the idea brother... superb output at the least cost possible ;)
have a great day brother ;)
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its shielded and pretty thick .. :)
i have a couple of meters of this, so is it ok to use this instead? :D
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Cat-5E was my first DIY speaker cable. I was very satisfied then until I was bitten by SARS and did some cable rolling... ;D
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The typical cat-5e cable is not shielded ... unless what you have is the shielded type (not typical cat 5e) ...
it is the cross section area that matters in copper to make it more effective ... not the amount of copper, though bigger cross section presupposes more copper :) ...
typical decent wire (hardware) is not substantially far from those OFC-labeled ... in fact, you will not be able to verify it yourself whether the level of its OFC is as advertised ... so its just hyping.
Made those cat5e with thickness bigger than #10 ...
For longer run ... like in surround, bigger gauge is more suitable ... in shorter length, same size used for front and rear have no substantial difference. For lengthy run, go higher gauge than the fronts.
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The typical cat-5e cable is not shielded ... unless what you have is the shielded type (not typical cat 5e) ...
it is the cross section area that matters in copper to make it more effective ... not the amount of copper, though bigger cross section presupposes more copper :) ...
typical decent wire (hardware) is not substantially far from those OFC-labeled ... in fact, you will not be able to verify it yourself whether the level of its OFC is as advertised ... so its just hyping.
Made those cat5e with thickness bigger than #10 ...
For longer run ... like in surround, bigger gauge is more suitable ... in shorter length, same size used for front and rear have no substantial difference. For lengthy run, go higher gauge than the fronts.
mine are really shielded .. its not those 15 peso / metre type .. :D
so should i still stick with this?
im planning to re-do my setup soon :)
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here's the link...this should help you a lot.....
Speaker Cable Gauge (AWG) Guidelines & Recommendations. (http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/speaker-cable-gauge)
In my end, I use 12ga for fronts, 14ga for surrounds.......im using monoprice cables. Very good build quality yet affordable.
(http://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/28171.jpg)
if you dont mind... can u guys tell me where i can buy this type or speaker wire or an alternative and how much will it cost
thanks
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if you dont mind... can u guys tell me where i can buy this type or speaker wire or an alternative and how much will it cost
thanks
i think Raon should be first place to be checked-out. try other electronics shops and ACe hardware... gud-luck... :D :D :D
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Try OTA cables for speaker wires. You can get them at Architectural Audio.
Cost/Performance, worth every centavo and even more! These cables/wires are considerably cheap.
Don't be fooled by the size of these wires. They sound big, spacious, detailed, image very well, and quite transparent.
The size of the wire actually makes it very easy to hide from view.
Of course there are better cables out there. But for that you have to pay more, so much more!
In my opinior, for the margin of difference in performance, hmm ???...I'll think twice about investing more money on those other cables.
...And yes, these cables can be used on long runs.
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anyone who knows where i can get these QED cables? forgot the model...
someone might be familiar with specific model and where i can buy. thanks!
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update
i visited AVESCO QC recently
very good royal cord awg 10/2 cost around P146/meter... still not bad as i only need 2 meters per speaker... will A/B this with my branded wires
cheers!!!
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anyone who knows where i can get these QED cables? forgot the model...
someone might be familiar with specific model and where i can buy. thanks!
Jake Johnson...sa SG marami niyan...will check it out and let you know soon...Not sure if there's a local distributor for QED...if you happen to find a QED Silver Anniversary, OK yun!
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anyone who knows where i can get these QED cables? forgot the model...
someone might be familiar with specific model and where i can buy. thanks!
i smell SARS here...::) ::) ::) :D
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Jake Johnson...sa SG marami niyan...will check it out and let you know soon...Not sure if there's a local distributor for QED...if you happen to find a QED Silver Anniversary, OK yun!
am particularly interested in these cables jen. i can't seem to decipher the model.
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i smell SARS here...::) ::) ::) :D
hehehe! just window shopping brader mon. ;D
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hehehe! just window shopping brader mon. ;D
heto na lang para kamukha ng mga SAWA mo...
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?cablspkr&1228986928&/Kimber-KS-3038
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update
i visited AVESCO QC recently
very good royal cord awg 10/2 cost around P146/meter... still not bad as i only need 2 meters per speaker... will A/B this with my branded wires
cheers!!!
I think you made a better choice ... is this AVESCO somewhere near SM City?
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I think you made a better choice ... is this AVESCO somewhere near SM City?
thank you very much sir
malapit sir sa Bayantel Building QC... the road leads to Munoz Market if i can remember it correct
AVESCO is my favorite reseller since i got involved with VHF radios many years back and up to now... they have very good products... sadly, out of stock yung shielded Belden Cat5 and Cat6 when i visited them... i want to re-try these Cat5&6 for speaker wires too as these are inexpensive as compared to P10k/5 meters branded speaker wires...
cheers!!!
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guys help naman what's a good yet affordable brand for SPEAKER wires? where can i buy it? Be using them for my Warfdale speakers - - I need long wires kami medyo mahaba yung area na paglalagyan ko ng speakers ... mga 4.80 meters (sofa to Tv).
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guys help naman what's a good yet affordable brand for SPEAKER wires? where can i buy it? Be using them for my Warfdale speakers - - I need long wires kami medyo mahaba yung area na paglalagyan ko ng speakers ... mga 4.80 meters (sofa to Tv).
IMO, di important ang brand ng speaker wire. Speaker wire is speaker wire. Get 12AWG or 14AWG if you're going to be running long lengths.
Here's a good site for gauge to length reference: Link (http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm)
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guys help naman what's a good yet affordable brand for SPEAKER wires? where can i buy it? Be using them for my Warfdale speakers - - I need long wires kami medyo mahaba yung area na paglalagyan ko ng speakers ... mga 4.80 meters (sofa to Tv).
inexpensive royal cord awg 12/2 available at electrical retailers is ok for me as per my still limited experience... if your speakers & amps terminal holes will accommodate awg 10/2 go for this... around P120/meter
these royal cords have heavy duty external jacket... you may want to check on AVESCO Quezon City as they have very good ones...
cheers!!!
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Anybody know how approximately much 12AWG or 14AWG speaker wire (30-meter roll w/ clear jacket, not the ones with red/black jacket) goes for at Raon?
Is AVESCO an electronics parts store like DEECO?
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Anybody know how approximately much 12AWG or 14AWG speaker wire (30-meter roll w/ clear jacket, not the ones with red/black jacket) goes for at Raon?
Is AVESCO an electronics parts store like DEECO?
hi sir,
AVESCO retails electrical and some electronic gadget... industrial grade cables/wires, connectors, switch boards, huge circuit breaker panels, small to large lighting system like those we see on street posts, security system, communication system like professional VHF/UHF 2-way radios... etc
DEECO is more on the electronic side and the small parts associated with these... resistors, capacitors, circuit board parts, small toggle switches.. LED, small to large raw speakers, etc... it is one of the DIY haven i visit at Raon st, Manila
cheers!!!
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i plan to swing by avesco or raon over the weekend... can someone suggest a good pair of speaker wires and can you give me an idea on how much it would cost per meter
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I also plan to go to AVESCO .. I checked their website their main office is in CUBAo and they have another branch at Quezon City. Anyone of guys nakapunta na dito? Sa Main office ba nila nagbebenta sila ng electronic parts?
Aside from the speaker wires ... I'm looking for this type of accessory eh
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/paoie/3_component_front_small2.jpg)
meron kaya sila?
BTW here the details of AVESCO:
Cubao Branch (Main office)
810 AVESCO Building, Aurora Blvd.corner Yale St., Cubao Quezon City
PO Box 3531, Manila, Philippines
Tel No: (632) 912-8881 to 99
Fax No: (632) 912-2911 / 2999 / 2352
Manila Branch
653-655 Rizal Avenue, Sta. Cruz, Manila, Philippines
Tel No: (632) 733-8161 to 68
Fax No: (632) 733-2474
Frisco Branch
250 Roosevelt Avenue, San Francisco Del Monte, Quezon City, Philippines
Tel No: (632) 372-3594 to 99
Fax No: (632) 374-3499
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pwede kayang gamitin ang speaker wire from car?
i still have at least 2runs of 21ft gauge12 esoteric wires.
used the wires for full active setup...
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pwede kayang gamitin ang speaker wire from car?
i still have at least 2runs of 21ft gauge12 esoteric wires.
used the wires for full active setup...
pwedeng pwede po sir... ;D
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Ixos XHS806W maganda din...tapos Ultralink gauge 14 for the surrounds
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Ixos XHS806W maganda din...tapos Ultralink gauge 14 for the surrounds
Mahal... but of course pogi tignan. ;D I would personally use 12AWG or 14AWG then terminate them with banana plugs or spades myself.
(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/572/bananaspadewt5.th.jpg) (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bananaspadewt5.jpg)
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Ixos XHS806W maganda din...tapos Ultralink gauge 14 for the surrounds
Sir, how much yang Ixos XHS806W? I'm planning on replacing my speaker cables.
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more or less mga P380.00 - P400.00 per meter yung Ixos XHS806W.
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more or less mga P380.00 - P400.00 per meter yung Ixos XHS806W.
Thanks for the info sir. :)
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more or less mga P380.00 - P400.00 per meter yung Ixos XHS806W.
would you know where i xcan purchase these speaker cables ?
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just got myself some belden cat5e wires and i have a bunch of questions from our diy people
1. its covered by a thick gray sheet .. do i need to remove this sheet and braid all the 8 wires inside ?
2. how do i know if this is the terminated type of beldens ?
i hope you can post some finished products of your DIy creations
thanks
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just got myself some belden cat5e wires and i have a bunch of questions from our diy people
1. its covered by a thick gray sheet .. do i need to remove this sheet and braid all the 8 wires inside ?
2. how do i know if this is the terminated type of beldens ?
i hope you can post some finished products of your DIy creations
thanks
it was my 1st DIY sp. cable project. used 6 wires braided like rapunzel's hair.
check this link for more info:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/triple_t_e.html
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recently bought a speaker .... so bumili ako ng speaker wire na muna :)
went to DIY Workstation sa Pavillion Binan ..... grabe napaka undersized ng ga#16 speaker wire ... kapal ng balat ..... para siyang ga#18 ata ....
oh well..... will look for some Stinger Speaker wires sa banawe ..... at least standard and mas siksik .....
Otherwise bibili nalang ako shielded control cables ..... in case anyone is interested ..... pwede kayo bumili ng Helukabel control cables sa
Zenith wires sa P. Florentino Manila .... magtatanung ako bukas kung mayrung silang ga#16 x 4C unshielded
EDIT: some nice read on speaker wires (killing time...)
Roger Russell's Wire Discussion (http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm)
ProCo Sound's Understanding Speaker Cables (http://procosound.com/downloads/whitepapers/Understanding%20Speaker%20Cables.pdf)
Speaker Wires from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_wire)
Crutchfield: Speaker Wires, Choosing and Installing (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-WsgwdlNKP3O/learn/learningcenter/home/speakers_wire.html)
Google: Home Theatre for Dummies (http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=2yDZ_udiU2oC&pg=PA266&lpg=PA266&dq=speaker+wires&source=bl&ots=t93pUwv9C0&sig=ZoDqktJHupqYr-QfLaUeF33Dhdo&hl=tl&ei=kDq4SdnmAtXFkAW9-5TrCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA266,M1)
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Happened to pass by Deeco, Farmers Plaza, Cubao. Speaker wire prices are --
Claimed to be #16 -- P20/m clear
Claimed to be #14 -- P25/m red/black
Claimed to be #14 -- P30/m clear
They were or became out of stock of the #16 clear and #14 clear at the time.
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Belden twisted pair with outer jacket 12ga is around P120/m. it's not as tightly twisted as other brands, like Rockford Fosgate and Ixos "Gamma" Geommetry cables, just enough I guess to held them in place inside the outer jacket, and for whatever twisting does for the cable's electric properties. in any case the twisting isn't for aesthetic purposes definitely. copper strands are fewer than in most claimed 12ga generic wires, BUT it had a few stiff strands, so it doesn't disintegrate in your hands while working on the bare strands.
also, they assured me that it was "rodent free," meaning rats won't think it's edible when they sniff it. currently using it while I keep my Livewires in storage, still waiting for the exterminator. soundwise, the Livewire's cleaner but it's most likely the factory termination, and Im using bare wire on the amp side.
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Sa mga wires, ano usually ang gamit banana or spades?
- amplifer/receiver side, ano ang common na ginagamit?
- speaker side, ano ang common na ginagamit?
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Sa mga wires, ano usually ang gamit banana or spades?
- amplifer/receiver side, ano ang common na ginagamit?
- speaker side, ano ang common na ginagamit?
i use 12 awg bare wire (no spade, no banana plug) 9 feet run per side... recommended by at least 3 ECE licensed friends... they are correct ;)
i have not tried my 10 awg wires yet... too busy these days ;D
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i use 12 awg bare wire (no spade, no banana plug) ;)
"The best speaker plug is no plug at all" :) ;D
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i just bought 2 banana plug (naka pair na siya) and 10 yard total length of GA#12speaker wires from my suking car audio shop in banawe .... tamang nipis lang ng balat ng wires at ang kapal ng copper strands ..... the way speaker wires should be...
cut to 2.5 yards each kasi biwire ko yung speaker ko ..... bare wire sa kabilang dulo (sa speaker side)
iinit na kaya receiver ko nito ?? ;D sa ga#16 cool na cool pa din hehehe
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iinit na kaya receiver ko nito ?? ;D sa ga#16 cool na cool pa din hehehe
does decreasing resistance have the same effect as lowering the impedance?
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The cheapest good speakercable i could recommend is from Belden. I am not sure if these are available dyan sa Pinas.
(http://www.zebracables.com/images/b5t00up_10awg.jpg)
Belden 5T00UP - 10 AWG, 2 Conductor
Stranding: 65x28
Conductor Material:Bare High-Conductivity ETP Copper
Insulation Material: PVC - Polyvinyl Chloride
Outer Jacket Material: PVC - Polyvinyl Chloride
NEC/(UL) Specification: CL2 (Audio Use Only)
Nom. Capacitance @ 1 KHz: 26 pF/ft
DC Resistance: 1.03 Ohms/1000 ft
(http://www.zebracables.com/images/b5100ue_b.jpg)
Belden 5000UE - 12 AWG, 2 Conductor
Stranding: 19x25
Conductor Material: BC - Bare Copper
Insulation Material: PVC - Polyvinyl Chloride
Outer Jacket Material: PVC - Polyvinyl Chloride
NEC/(UL) Specification: CL3R, FPLR
Nom. Capacitance @ 1 KHz: 33.5 pF/ft
DC Resistance: 1.6 Ohms/1000 ft
(http://www.bluejeanscable.co.uk/store/speaker/beldengray.jpg)
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does decreasing resistance have the same effect as lowering the impedance?
hahah ..... sorry my last statement was just a joke ...... ;D
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hahah ..... sorry my last statement was just a joke ...... ;D
Oh, ok, I was just about willing to see if it does, if I found my old 16ga pair around my house ;D
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after installing the gauge #12 speaker wires ... nag improve ang tone quality ng speakers ko. medyo spacious na ang imaging at instrument sa background ay lumalabas na with better clarity .... infact it sound smoother and with bit more body than before .....
ive been playing alot of CD that I have listened to before .... even my dormmate agrees there is positive improvement with the wire upgrade
I cannot confirm if going to thicker speaker cable has anything to do with it ..... kasi it may also be a case of my previous wires being of lower copper purity (inspite na OFC naka label .... hey we are in Philippines) than this current wire am using kaya may ganitong improvement ....
at any rate .... the upgrade has improve overall SQ and im lovin my time sitting in front of my HT all the more ;D
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....I cannot confirm if going to thicker speaker cable has anything to do with it ..... kasi it may also be a case of my previous wires being of lower copper purity (inspite na OFC naka label....
To confirm if the thicker wire contributed to your better sound quality, try to do a blind test. Ask somebody to do the wire switching for you and listen carefully to same audio material each time the wires are switched from thick to thin. You should not know which wire is being used for each listening test to avoid biased perception of sound quality improvement.
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Sa mga wires, ano usually ang gamit banana or spades?
- amplifer/receiver side, ano ang common na ginagamit?
- speaker side, ano ang common na ginagamit?
some amps can take both spade and banana plugs
most receivers can only take bananas
speakers can usually take both
it's recommended to use bare wire - but good luck with that with receiver binding posts :D
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To confirm if the thicker wire contributed to your better sound quality, try to do a blind test. Ask somebody to do the wire switching for you and listen carefully to same audio material each time the wires are switched from thick to thin. You should not know which wire is being used for each listening test to avoid biased perception of sound quality improvement.
pwede but honestly am kinda lazy to do that anymore :) I'd much rather enjoy my quality time with my HT and watch DVDs or play audio Cd ;D
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...help...how come my speaker wires tend to get loose ore nag se-setting pa lang..i installed a new set of wires ga.14 but alomost after two or three movies i can still turn the knob...thanks
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i have a noob question about this, if per say you are using HTIB's which have specific connector (eg panny 465 and sony 170k) how can you go about replacing your stock wires?
Can these connectors be purchased individually? or do you need to DIY it?
Thansk! ;D
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MONSTER THX 16-Gauge speaker cable will do you right. At P50 per feet, you're getting a worry-free product - no potential fuss for upgrade for the next 25 years, at the most. Many would raised a ruckus over Monster's profiteering pricing policy (before) but at least for speaker wires you do get quality in exchange for your bucks - only that the "proven performance" of these things cannot be measured qualifiably through physics alone. For me, a left-ear deaf tinnitus victim, using Monster to replaced all my no-name speaker wiring, delivered a more bouncy, full-bodied sound.
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...help...how come my speaker wires tend to get loose ore nag se-setting pa lang..i installed a new set of wires ga.14 but alomost after two or three movies i can still turn the knob...thanks
same here... maybe due to speaker box vibration... you have to tighten again... after a few routines it will not move much
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is it necessary ba to raise the speaker wires off the ground for better sound quality??
yung floor kasi is parang parquet floor ......
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after installing the gauge #12 speaker wires ... nag improve ang tone quality ng speakers ko. medyo spacious na ang imaging at instrument sa background ay lumalabas na with better clarity .... infact it sound smoother and with bit more body than before .....
ive been playing alot of CD that I have listened to before .... even my dormmate agrees there is positive improvement with the wire upgrade
I cannot confirm if going to thicker speaker cable has anything to do with it ..... kasi it may also be a case of my previous wires being of lower copper purity (inspite na OFC naka label .... hey we are in Philippines) than this current wire am using kaya may ganitong improvement ....
just cleaning or cutting the old ends of the wires and using the same wire will improve the sound, especially on very old connections. it has a lot to do with getting fresh contacts between the wires and the connected equipment. but if you have the dough to spare it will really improve using better wires. imho there is no need for those very expensive wires, just veer away from those loosely packed strands and undersized wires.
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is it necessary ba to raise the speaker wires off the ground for better sound quality??
yung floor kasi is parang parquet floor ......
mine are not raised... just laid freely on concrete floor .. bare wires directly connected to amp and speakers
i mind more the source, pre & power amps and very good transducers
overall SQ is pleasing enough for an enhanced music enjoyment ;)
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just cleaning or cutting the old ends of the wires and using the same wire will improve the sound, especially on very old connections. it has a lot to do with getting fresh contacts between the wires and the connected equipment. but if you have the dough to spare it will really improve using better wires. imho there is no need for those very expensive wires, just veer away from those loosely packed strands and undersized wires.
thanks .... the old wires are just about a month plus old. at first tingin ko undersized pero when i compared a standard #16 wire parang halos parehas .....
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mine are not raised... just laid freely on concrete floor .. bare wires directly connected to amp and speakers
i mind more the source, pre & power amps and very good transducers
overall SQ is pleasing enough for an enhanced music enjoyment ;)
thanks ..... i just use old tissue paper core and cut it to about 1-1/4" height ..... :)
didn't notice any difference....
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same here... maybe due to speaker box vibration... you have to tighten again... after a few routines it will not move much
....thank you very much sir....
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i just bought a speaker cable awg12 for 85pesos/meter, is it worth it?
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/baurtwell/Awg.jpg)
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i just bought a speaker cable awg12 for 85pesos/meter, is it worth it?
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/baurtwell/Awg.jpg)
it looks very nice but pic is too dark to see the overall cable dia.... ::) ::) ::) anong brand po ba ito?... ;D
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it looks very nice but pic is too dark to see the overall cable dia.... ::) ::) ::) anong brand po ba ito?... ;D
better pic.. i'd confirm bout the brand.. so far this is what i have.. what do you guys think?
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/baurtwell/Photo-0041.jpg)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/baurtwell/Photo-0042.jpg)
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better pic.. i'd confirm bout the brand.. so far this is what i have.. what do you guys think?
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/baurtwell/Photo-0041.jpg)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/baurtwell/Photo-0042.jpg)
for the price, you can't go wrong with it... and looks like wires were silver plated which has better signal transmission than copper... :o :o :o
it is already connected? what's your initial impression?... :o :D
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for the price, you can't go wrong with it... and looks like wires were silver plated which has better signal transmission than copper... :o :o :o
it is already connected? what's your initial impression?... :o :D
from the looks of it, i think one side is purely copper, and the other side is purely silver plated.. i have a sample of another one which is mix copper and silver.. which would you gurus recommend? i haven't connected/tested any of them yet :)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/baurtwell/Photo-0043.jpg)(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/baurtwell/Photo-0044.jpg)
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from the looks of it, i think one side is purely copper, and the other side is purely silver plated.. i have a sample of another one which is mix copper and silver.. which would you gurus recommend? i haven't connected/tested any of them yet :)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/baurtwell/Photo-0043.jpg)(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/baurtwell/Photo-0044.jpg)
in my observations, both have different materials used and also have different configuration that may affect the sound character... :o :o :o Even I, I can't decide.. looks could be deceiving... ::) ::) ::)
I would suggest to try both since you have them in your hands and let your system & your ears decide... ::) ::) ::)
I have already my personal choice but won't tell you that might influence your disession... ;D ;D ;D
(gusto ko ring subukan kung tama ang pinili ko..) .. ;D ;D ;D
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in my observations, both have different materials used and also have different configuration that may affect the sound character... :o :o :o Even I, I can't decide.. looks could be deceiving... ::) ::) ::)
I would suggest to try both since you have them in your hands and let your system & your ears decide... ::) ::) ::)
I have already my personal choice but won't tell you that might influence your disession... ;D ;D ;D
(gusto ko ring subukan kung tama ang pinili ko..) .. ;D ;D ;D
tama ka jan looks can be deceiving talaga.. anyways thanks for your input.. ill keep you guys posted :)
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hi just got 2 meters speaker cable from spectra, forgot the brand but it has print on the cable "high definition OFC" 11awg & tested & satisfied naman with the result. Will be using this for 2 channel audio only.
ask ko lang if anybody used 9awg (2 meters) for 2 channel audio? your listening impression? would it sound better than 11awg?
thanks
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hi just got 2 meters speaker cable from spectra, forgot the brand but it has print on the cable "high definition OFC" 11awg & tested & satisfied naman with the result. Will be using this for 2 channel audio only.
ask ko lang if anybody used 9awg (2 meters) for 2 channel audio? your listening impression? would it sound better than 11awg?
thanks
IMHO, you'll get a difference if you another materials & configuration but if same cable brand... try to experiment... ::) ::) ;D
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guys, is it ok to just attach a spare wire if the original one comes up short? I have 2 specific questions for this.
1. I'm assuming it's ok if it's the same brand and the same guage. how about if its a different brand but with the same guage? or one is twisted and the other one is not.
2. Will it have any sonic impact? Or might it damage the speakers or amp?
Thanks for any advise you can give.
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correct me if I am wrong.......if you are splicing old and new wires to achieve the desired length, it is not advisable.
guys, is it ok to just attach a spare wire if the original one comes up short? I have 2 specific questions for this.
1. I'm assuming it's ok if it's the same brand and the same guage. how about if its a different brand but with the same guage? or one is twisted and the other one is not.
2. Will it have any sonic impact? Or might it damage the speakers or amp?
Thanks for any advise you can give.
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correct me if I am wrong.......if you are splicing old and new wires to achieve the desired length, it is not advisable.
actually the wires come from the same roll when i purchased it. I'm going to use it for the surrounds. I thought it would be better to use the spare i have lying around when i originally cut it than purchase a brand new 80ft wire. why is it not advisable bro?
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actually the wires come from the same roll when i purchased it. I'm going to use it for the surrounds. I thought it would be better to use the spare i have lying around when i originally cut it than purchase a brand new 80ft wire. why is it not advisable bro?
i've done this myself. make sure to stagger the splicing.
it won't break your speaker.
but if you are going to put this into conduits - dapat no splicing talaga sa pipes.
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i've done this myself. make sure to stagger the splicing.
it won't break your speaker.
but if you are going to put this into conduits - dapat no splicing talaga sa pipes.
haha. thanks mike. although i lost you at stagger, conduits and pipes. i'll google the definitions na lang. ;D
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haha. thanks mike. although i lost you at stagger, conduits and pipes. i'll google the definitions na lang. ;D
stagger - di dapat pantay ang putol ng one wire with the other. at least half inch. para in case matanggal ang ibinalot na electrical tape di pa rin magso-short yung positive sa negative.
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stagger - di dapat pantay ang putol ng one wire with the other. at least half inch. para in case matanggal ang ibinalot na electrical tape di pa rin magso-short yung positive sa negative.
got it! thanks markcrenz :)
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haha. thanks mike. although i lost you at stagger, conduits and pipes. i'll google the definitions na lang. ;D
basically, kung papasok sa wall/ceiling ... don't splice.
stagger means hindi:
---0---
---0---
ang splice ng wire but...
--0--------
-------0---
edit: naunahan ako ni sir markcrenz
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basically, kung papasok sa wall/ceiling ... don't splice.
stagger means hindi:
---0---
---0---
ang splice ng wire but...
--0--------
-------0---
edit: naunahan ako ni sir markcrenz
no worries, ayos din diagram mo for those who cannot visualize the explanation made by markcrenz. many many thanks!
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i use 12 awg bare wire (no spade, no banana plug) 9 feet run per side... recommended by at least 3 ECE licensed friends... they are correct ;)
Bro,
Share mo naman pls. ano daw ang philosophy or theory behind those 9ft./ run? does that apply only for 12AWG?
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Bro,
Share mo naman pls. ano daw ang philosophy or theory behind those 9ft./ run? does that apply only for 12AWG?
my ECE friends advised me to use bare wires without banana plugs or spade as less connectors for better conduction... i needed 9 feet run per side as per my system's required cable length... 6 feet run bit short while 12 feet too long... i bought 12awg speakers wires/cables and these were ok as per my listen ;)
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hi to all master's of audio and video here;
need your opinion regarding speaker cables...
1. how does the cable size affect your system of listening or system of delivering sounds?
2. are the bigger wire the better?
3. can i use alternative wire in the hardware alike with same gauge?
4. what is the difference between speaker wire and electrical wire since they are both copper? coz
other's use royal cord and flat cords.
5. what is the cause of corrotion or oxidation (green inside the wire revolving the copper)in the speaker wire, any treatment for this?
6 different brand diffrent price for speaker cables, which is which? expensive the better?
thanks for your opinion master's
newbie lang po kasi...
more power to PDVD!!!
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http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=76367.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=76367.0)
try this link, it has almost all the answers to your questions. :D
many thanks...
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12 AWG or 12 gauge.
This speaker cable has a size of 0.0808 inches (2.053 mm) in diameter and has an area of 6.53 kcmil. It has a copper resistance of 5.211 Ohm/km. If you need a speaker wire connector to be more than 200 feet, it is recommended that you use this gauge of speaker wire. Reviews show that this is best to be used if you are installing a surround sound home theater system, or if you are going to install speakers that are going to run from one room to another. This type of speaker wire is harder to get covered though, so you'll most probably drill holes in your wall to facilitate it.
14 AWG or 14 gauge.
This speaker cable has a size of 0.0641 inches (1.628 mm) in diameter and has an area of 4.11 kcmil. It has a copper resistance of 8.286 Ohm/km. If the distance from your speaker to your amplifier is from 80 to 200 feet, it is recommended that you use this gauge of speaker wire.
16 AWG or 16 gauge. This speaker cable has a size of 0.0508 inches (1.291 mm) in diameter and has an area of 2.58 kcmil. It has a copper resistance of 13.17 ohm/km. This gauge of speaker wire is recommended to use if the distance from your speaker to your amplifier is less than 80 feet.
got information from howtodothings.com (http://www.howtodothings.com/electronics/speaker-wire-sizes-and-usage)
is this accurate? :)
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yes those are good recommendations. if you understand the principles of electricity you will know that using a 12 gauge wire for a 10 ft run is an overkill. you will get negligible benefits and more difficult installation if you opt to use larger wire sizes.
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Agree. You will notice that the wires inside amps connecting to the speaker terminals are even much thinner (since they're short). :D
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thanks guys, atleast my 14gauge is more than enough for my setup ;D
atleast i wont worry about my wires anymore ;D ;D
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The cheapest good speakercable i could recommend is from Belden. I am not sure if these are available dyan sa Pinas.
(http://www.zebracables.com/images/b5t00up_10awg.jpg)
Belden 5T00UP - 10 AWG, 2 Conductor
Stranding: 65x28
Conductor Material:Bare High-Conductivity ETP Copper
Insulation Material: PVC - Polyvinyl Chloride
Outer Jacket Material: PVC - Polyvinyl Chloride
NEC/(UL) Specification: CL2 (Audio Use Only)
Nom. Capacitance @ 1 KHz: 26 pF/ft
DC Resistance: 1.03 Ohms/1000 ft
(http://www.zebracables.com/images/b5100ue_b.jpg)
Belden 5000UE - 12 AWG, 2 Conductor
Stranding: 19x25
Conductor Material: BC - Bare Copper
Insulation Material: PVC - Polyvinyl Chloride
Outer Jacket Material: PVC - Polyvinyl Chloride
NEC/(UL) Specification: CL3R, FPLR
Nom. Capacitance @ 1 KHz: 33.5 pF/ft
DC Resistance: 1.6 Ohms/1000 ft
(http://www.bluejeanscable.co.uk/store/speaker/beldengray.jpg)
Last Saturday I got Belden 5000UP at P200/m from Sytec
http://www.sytec.com.ph/Common/Products.aspx
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thanks for the info sir Romy... will hunt for those 12/2 awg Belden wires/cables
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thanks for the info sir Romy... will hunt for those 12/2 awg Belden wires/cables
Hi Sir Fer,
OT: Also got from Sytec some Belden 1694A for P200/m and Belden 89259 for P450/m for DIY IC. The Belden 1694A though is cheater at 5th Avenuie (P173/m less friendly discount pa).
Sytec is also selling power cord at P900/m (forgot the model number).
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tons of thanks sir Romy for the lead ... will try to grab some of these on my next trip to Manila/Makati 8)
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Hi Sir Fer,
Sytec is also selling power cord at P900/m (forgot the model number).
hi romy,
pa-quote ng post mo kay doc fer.
pwede malaman if belden din ang power cord ng sytec? eto ba yun sa may wilson st./greenhills sanjuan?
tnx & regards
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hi romy,
pa-quote ng post mo kay doc fer.
pwede malaman if belden din ang power cord ng sytec? eto ba yun sa may wilson st./greenhills sanjuan?
tnx & regards
Hi Sir Rene,
Yes, Belden 3 wire 12awg. Paki check na lang sa website yung exact model number. Yes malapit sa Wilson. Nasa website yung exact address at contact number.
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Try to see if they have the Belden 83802 (2 wire) or the 83803 (3 wire) power cable.
They are quite stiff and is quite hard to bend for short lengths of 1 meter. They need long break-in. The sound is quite neutral in it's presentation with a firm grip in the bass.
(http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/diyMains/01_Belden83803.jpg)
http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/diyMains/
These are the best belden power cable i could recommend. These are the same power cable used in constructing the Ven Hause flavor 1, 2 & 3 powercord.
http://www.vhaudio.com/powercables.html
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1. how does the cable size affect your system of listening or system of delivering sounds?
the size of your room, the power capacity of your amp, the speakers you use, your listening habits, they are more important factors than cable size alone.
2. are the bigger wire the better?
no........ your speakers' voice coils use anywhere from gauge 30 to 24 copper wires and will be longer than your speaker cables.....perhaps if you have a subwoofer that uses gauge 18 in the voice coil, then you would not use anything lower than a gauge 18, would you?
3. can i use alternative wire in the hardware alike with same gauge?
yes, by all means....speaker cables need not be expensive for you to enjoy the sounds...
4. what is the difference between speaker wire and electrical wire since they are both copper? coz
other's use royal cord and flat cords.
nothing basically, yes they are of both copper, and plastic insulations.....
5. what is the cause of corrotion or oxidation (green inside the wire revolving the copper)in the speaker wire, any treatment for this?
copper reacts with oxygen which is present in air, causing this green colored oxidation, silver plating the copper wires is the ussual method of preventing such corrosions.
6 different brand diffrent price for speaker cables, which is which? expensive the better?
depends on how deep your pocket is, if i buy an amp, that costs say 500k, then i wouldn't buy a cable that cost less than 10k for example....now if i buy an amp for say 5k, would you expect me to buy that 10k cable?, hell no... ;D
this is a hobby where there are no single thruths, it is all in your ears, and that whatever makes you happy, then go for it......
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thanks, folks, now my knowledge in speaker wire has braoden up, so its not the brand or the price your using unless it is a copper wire. it means you can use those royal cords or flats cords in the hardware.
kaya pala yung mga iba na nag set up sa mga mall pag may event royal cord ang gamit... when you see if theres an event try to sneak the wire.... to see is to believe!
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1. how does the cable size affect your system of listening or system of delivering sounds?
For me it depends on the design of the speaker cable. Flat cables like, Nordost and Goertz, although both flat, will sound different because of the difference in their cable charateristics, capacitance, impedance, etc. Also both are using different cable materials.
2. are the bigger wire the better?
Not really, as it still boils down to the design and materials used.
3. can i use alternative wire in the hardware alike with same gauge?
Get at least a cable with an oxygen free copper. Impurities on the cable will make the sound of the cable harsh.
4. what is the difference between speaker wire and electrical wire since they are both copper? coz
other's use royal cord and flat cords.
Again, it differs in the material used. Not all copper are the same. The purer the copper, the smoother the sound. Same with the insulation, teflon is better and air is the best..
5. what is the cause of corrotion or oxidation (green inside the wire revolving the copper)in the speaker wire, any treatment for this?
It is the reaction of the copper with air. To prevent this, there are some contact cleaners or cable conditioners, like pro gold, that could retard this reaction..
6 different brand diffrent price for speaker cables, which is which? expensive the better?
Not always the case, as it is just a matter of matching a specific cable that could work well with your set-up..
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Very authoritative ang reply ni sir Tony. This is my take on the subject:
When it comes to speaker wires it’s not necessarily bigger is better. You just have to match the minimum cable size with the speaker power handling. If you choose a much thicker wire the law of diminishing returns apply. Also note that a 100-watt 4-ohm speaker will need thicker wires than a 100-watt 8-ohm speaker since the 4-ohm speaker will carry a greater amount of current.
Don't worry about the capacitance running in picofarads or even nanofarads per foot, the effects on the frequency response are much higher than humans can hear. But if your speakers are a few kilometers from your amp your wires may shave some decibels off your tweeters.
Avoid those wires with thin conductors and very thick insulators. You ought to be paying for the copper not the pvc or plastic!
The difference in resistance between copper wire and oxygen free copper wire is too small to be significant for speaker wiring.
If your speaker wires have already oxidized wire then it is of very poor quality or have been exposed to humidity. Better to replace it. When buying wires check the strands, they should be tightly packed within the insulation. Loosely stranded wires have more air space within and are more prone to oxidation.
if you want to learn more about speaker wires, here's a good site:
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
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Don't worry about the capacitance running in picofarads or even nanofarads per foot, the effects on the frequency response are much higher than humans can hear. But if your speakers are a few kilometers from your amp your wires may shave some decibels off your tweeters.
Be careful though as the Goertz speaker cable could upset some amplifiers due to oscillation. It will not matter if your speaker or amp has a Zobel network though.
Goertz
(http://www.goertzaudio.com/_images//miFig1.gif)
(http://www.goertzaudio.com/_images//mi3.jpg)
Normal cables
(http://www.goertzaudio.com/_images//miFig2.gif)
The difference in resistance between copper wire and oxygen free copper wire is too small to be significant for speaker wiring.
I think this will depend on how transparent your system is. I had experience this everytime i change the poor quality internal wires of speakers i upgrade to UPOCC solid core wires.
If your speaker wires have already oxidized wire then it is of very poor quality or have been exposed to humidity. Better to replace it. When buying wires check the strands, they should be tightly packed within the insulation. Loosely stranded wires have more air space within and are more prone to oxidation.
This is true, replace once you saw oxidation as it will affect the cables performance. Oxidized copper is a very poor conductor unlike oxidezed silver. That is why, all our connectors, should be cleaned every now and then to improve it's connectivity.
Just my 2 cents.
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The difference in resistance between 99.9% copper wire and 99.99% oxygen free copper wire is too small to be significant for speaker wiring.
The difference in resistance between poor quality copper wire and Ultra Pure - Ohno Continuous Casting (UPOCC) wire , with 99.9997% copper purity and better grain structure among other things, is indeed significant.
Wouldn't it?
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The difference in resistance between 99.9% copper wire and 99.99% oxygen free copper wire is too small to be significant for speaker wiring.
The difference in resistance between poor quality copper wire and Ultra Pure - Ohno Continuous Casting (UPOCC) wire , with 99.9997% copper purity and better grain structure among other things, is indeed significant.
Wouldn't it?
Yes it could be true.
Sometimes numbers doesn't say it all but the ear of the listener. ;D ;D ;D
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@all,
my unsolicited advise, do not form beliefs about cables, there is nothing on these cables but copper conductors and plastic insulation.
oxygen content has been mentioned often times, but what is the ordinary layman to understand about it? how do we know the oxygen content of a cable? how sure are we that we are really getting what we paid for?
consumers are bombarded with all sorts of marketing hypes, and who is to know better? how are these unwitting consumers to be protected from these predatory vendors of cables?
so if you ask me, i would choose a Phelps Dodge brand cable over other brands, and yes, those orange colored, "fire retardant" round cables from singapore are good to use as speaker cables...
use what ever suits your ears....and your wallet....
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Oxidized copper is a very poor conductor unlike oxidezed silver.
it is only the surface of the copper conductor that gets tarnished, tinning them or soldering helps...
silver, unlike copper does not tarnish as easily, that is why they are used as plating material for copper wires...
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it is only the surface of the copper conductor that gets tarnished, tinning them or soldering helps...
silver, unlike copper does not tarnish as easily, that is why they are used as plating material for copper wires...
Normal plating material used for copper is gold. Silver is more seldom used. Tinning copper will help to avoid tarnish but it is still a big difference compared to a clean and bare copper contact.
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The lower the Ohm, the longer the length, the thicker the wire you need!
Just my two cents......!
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Hi everyone. I'm having a new room constructed in our house to become a home theater. The contractor said they can embed the speaker wires before they start with the finishing. I need to supply them with the speaker wires, but I am a newbie when it comes to home theaters on have no idea at all what type of wire is needed for a basic surround sound system - 5 wall-mounted speakers and 1 subwoofer.
I have been getting different info from the electrician, hardware and some friends I know. Hope I can get some inputs here on what type of wire to buy and where I can buy.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi everyone. I'm having a new room constructed in our house to become a home theater. The contractor said they can embed the speaker wires before they start with the finishing. I need to supply them with the speaker wires, but I am a newbie when it comes to home theaters on have no idea at all what type of wire is needed for a basic surround sound system - 5 wall-mounted speakers and 1 subwoofer.
I have been getting different info from the electrician, hardware and some friends I know. Hope I can get some inputs here on what type of wire to buy and where I can buy.
Thanks in advance!
beldens are ok already.
gauge 14-16 will be ok for your set up. although some may recommend gauge 12 wires.
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beldens are ok already.
gauge 14-16 will be ok for your set up. although some may recommend gauge 12 wires.
thanks. where can i buy beldens?
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@all,
my unsolicited advise, do not form beliefs about cables, there is nothing on these cables but copper conductors and plastic insulation.
oxygen content has been mentioned often times, but what is the ordinary layman to understand about it? how do we know the oxygen content of a cable? how sure are we that we are really getting what we paid for?
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consumers are bombarded with all sorts of marketing hypes, and who is to know better? how are these unwitting consumers to be protected from these predatory vendors of cables?
so if you ask me, i would choose a Phelps Dodge brand cable over other brands, and yes, those orange colored, "fire retardant" round cables from singapore are good to use as speaker cables...
use what ever suits your ears....and your wallet....
to each his own; different folks, different strokes
amen ;D
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I saw some threads on the For Sale section and found out that speaker wires are quite costly. Ganun ba talaga yung cost? Or can I use the generic wires sold in hardwares?
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I saw some threads on the For Sale section and found out that speaker wires are quite costly. Ganun ba talaga yung cost? Or can I use the generic wires sold in hardwares?
this depends on your criteria bro. if ok is already ok for you then you will be saving a lot of money. but if ok is not enough, you may want to know a bit more before rushing the installation job. :)
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I saw some threads on the For Sale section and found out that speaker wires are quite costly. Ganun ba talaga yung cost? Or can I use the generic wires sold in hardwares?
ganun talaga branded speaker cables- from "cheap" entry-level to expensive hi-end speaker wire models. ex. QED - qudos to silver anniversary xt (500php/meter) to x-tube to silver spiral.
meron din outrageously expensive exotic models na alambre din ang laman. pero kung milyonaryo ang isang audiophile, balewala sa kanya ang gastos maski mabansagan pa siyang audiofool.
as for me, ok na ang qed silver anniversary xt. or pwede rin set ng limit, 10% of the total system cost.
if you have generic brand, manghiram ka ng branded speaker cable. then decide if ano ang mas maganda. if mas maganda branded sa pandinig mo, willing ka ba gumastos? wag mo isipin ang technical details (capacitance, resistance etc) - trust your ears and wallet! ;D
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- trust your ears and wallet! ;D
AMEN bro. ;D Crystal claro yan specially the Wallet factor :D
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Hi everyone. I'm having a new room constructed in our house to become a home theater. The contractor said they can embed the speaker wires before they start with the finishing. I need to supply them with the speaker wires, but I am a newbie when it comes to home theaters on have no idea at all what type of wire is needed for a basic surround sound system - 5 wall-mounted speakers and 1 subwoofer.
I have been getting different info from the electrician, hardware and some friends I know. Hope I can get some inputs here on what type of wire to buy and where I can buy.
Thanks in advance!
I'm in the same situation, pero para sure, have the installation done by someone who knows about HT and audio. If you have the budget, find a good AV shop who will help you with the installation. When you do, just let them coordinate with your contractor. Let your contractor lay out the conduits but the wires can be added by your AV supplier later.
Mahirap rin kasi baka mali ang positioning and AV specialists might know some stuff that are necessary to avoid interference when running the cable.
What type of speakers do you intend on installing anyway?
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Hi everyone. I'm having a new room constructed in our house to become a home theater. The contractor said they can embed the speaker wires before they start with the finishing. I need to supply them with the speaker wires, but I am a newbie when it comes to home theaters on have no idea at all what type of wire is needed for a basic surround sound system - 5 wall-mounted speakers and 1 subwoofer.
I have been getting different info from the electrician, hardware and some friends I know. Hope I can get some inputs here on what type of wire to buy and where I can buy.
Thanks in advance!
If I were you, punta na lang ako Raon and buy generic speaker wires. You will save a lot of money and you will hear exactly the same sound as compared to wires which are literally 100x more expensive. They are typically transparent so you can see the metal inside. That way, you can tell if they oxidize cuz they would turn green.
If the wires need to run more than 50 feet, get gauge 14, otherwise get gauge 16 speaker wire.
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If I were you, punta na lang ako Raon and buy generic speaker wires. You will save a lot of money and you will hear exactly the same sound as compared to wires which are literally 100x more expensive. They are typically transparent so you can see the metal inside. That way, you can tell if they oxidize cuz they would turn green.
If the wires need to run more than 50 feet, get gauge 14, otherwise get gauge 16 speaker wire.
ditto
ill try to post later pics of my 14gauge from raon with oxidation (tama ba term?). ::) ::)
di ko nalang pinansin kasi puputulin ko rin naman yung part na yun :) (i bought 30 meters of 14 gauge for less than 1k) :D
sa laki ng tipid ko sa speaker wires dun, ok lang magputol ng 1 meter .. ;D ;D ;D
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Or can I use the generic wires sold in hardwares?
hindi matutuwa sa iyo yung mga nagbebenta ng mamahaling cables.... ;D
ok lang magputol ng 1 meter ..
okey lang.....kung merong slack yung cable mo....i suggest you solder tin your exposed coppers to avoid oxidation, then you can use heatshrink tubes to seal the ends leaving just the right lenght of tinned coper that you need, shirink tubes can be an inch or so in lenght and it costs very little, you can buy them in DEECO, diameter of the heatshrink can be 6mm. you can use your wifey's hair dryer to shink it over the plastic insulation and tinned copper.
this is a very simple trick that any one can do...
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hindi matutuwa sa iyo yung mga nagbebenta ng mamahaling cables.... ;D
kaya ako whenever i need long wiring, im off to raon agad :)
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buti pa ang mga bingi walang mga ganitong dilemma. :D
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Here's my take on this: there ARE differences in sound, whether positively or not. Now, the question is how you pay for that. If you have to pay more than, say, 20% of the speaker's cost for the cable (don't use this ratio for long-run HT set-ups though, you can go a bit lower or higher), and you have to save up for it or have other components to pay for, then don't. Especially, never buy jsut because of marketing hype. BUT, don't crucify thoe who say there are differences or are willing to pay for them because...
...cable resale value is the lowest compared to other components. When they get upgraditis, they'll sell, and now the prices are more acceptable. At worst you have to reterminate, but so what, right? A speaker cable that would be 50% of the price of your Wharfedales and 15% of the entry-level Dynaudio now would be about 25%-50% cheaper after about two years. Buy it then, then buy the Dyns later, either used or you just get a newer model new, and you have a cable that might do well with it vs the most affordable, but reliable, 16ga cable.
Now, in case yo ustill find expensive cables absurd, but want quality cables, buy something like Belden. They're the industry standard for SPDIF cables, as they are known to maintain the 75ohm impedance throughout longer runs. At this point, the question then will be: how much are you willing to pay for the termination? ;D
(unless they're too annoying about it)
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Here's my take on this: there ARE differences in sound, whether positively or not.
I would love to host a blind test at my HT, comparing speaker cables. I will bet a lot of money that there will be no statistical difference between the Raon cables and the super-duper expensive cables which cost whatever. The only problem is that the speaker cables for testing need to be about 40 feet long (distance from my amps to the main speakers).
My first cables were all Monster, including interconnects (and I still have a lot of them). After several years, I decided to stop throwing money away cuz I couldn't detect any audible difference at all.
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My first cables were all Monster, including interconnects (and I still have a lot of them). After several years, I decided to stop throwing money away cuz I couldn't detect any audible difference at all.
You have a lot of Monster stuff or a lot of other brands besides Monster? Personally I wont get Monster unless they're on sale, and if I do, it won't be the speaker cables.
I would love to host a blind test at my HT, comparing speaker cables.
Thing is, blind tests aren't that blind. Someone who will perform the judging have to know as little as possible, meaning they have to know that it's not for whether cables have an effect. Also, I ommitted something in my post: for movies, in my limited experience, I've never heard any difference through any cable, except when I used a pair of coax cables as analog IC's from DVDplayer to integrated amp, vs vs 3-conductor copper. Speaker cables, no audible difference. For pure audio use though, it's another matter.
One thing must be mentioned here though: the terminations matter, too. Custom pro-grade cables and branded, factory terminated cables I've used and listened to have that in common.
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I would love to host a blind test at my HT, comparing speaker cables. I will bet a lot of money that there will be no statistical difference between the Raon cables and the super-duper expensive cables which cost whatever. The only problem is that the speaker cables for testing need to be about 40 feet long (distance from my amps to the main speakers).
My first cables were all Monster, including interconnects (and I still have a lot of them). After several years, I decided to stop throwing money away cuz I couldn't detect any audible difference at all.
sir, i dont think any number of blind/double blind tests will convince me to use raon cables over my current qed silver anniversary.xt. However, i respect those who wanna use whatever speakercable suits them- whether raon or cardas etc.
i started '79 with ordinary 16ga. lampcords. during that time even the audiophiles selling hi-end gears use simple cords. then i bought audiotechnica flat cables at Audiophile paco (didnt notice difference with 12ga.philflex yata hardware cable) then came the original monster cable- thick transparent with fine coppers. (bass was better, open soundstage)...then qed na (qudos.SA.SAxt) and chord (carnival & carnival silver plus). btw im very fortunate to acquire (thru swap acousticzen and audioquest cables).
to each his own, different folks different strokes...at the end of the day its me who enjoys my setup...
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audiophiles din naman yung ibang members natin dito mga bro.
8) 8)
i suggest push thru with this blind test.
why not perform the blind test on high end cable users location, atleast alam na nila yung room nila. so maliit na variables nun for mistakes. dont worry streetsmart's crew always bring their own baon .. ;D ;D
agree?
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audiophiles din naman yung ibang members natin dito mga bro.
8) 8)
i suggest push thru with this blind test.
why not perform the blind test on high end cable users location, atleast alam na nila yung room nila. so maliit na variables nun for mistakes. dont worry streetsmart's crew always bring their own baon .. ;D ;D
agree?
Hehe. Actually, we can do the blind test at my HT cuz my speaker cables for my fronts are Monster gauge 14 and I have extra Raon cable na gauge 16. Speakers are Stratus Goldi which were top-of-the-line sa Stereophile for many years. Power amp will be Aragon 8008BB dual mono. Hihiram lang siguro ako ng high-end CD player kasi nasira ang Integra ko. Marami ako audiophile CDs that we can use. But I don't know if anyone is really interested in this. :)
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Hehe. Actually, we can do the blind test at my HT cuz my speaker cables for my fronts are Monster gauge 14 and I have extra Raon cable na gauge 16. Speakers are Stratus Goldi which were top-of-the-line sa Stereophile for many years. Power amp will be Aragon 8008BB dual mono. Hihiram lang siguro ako ng high-end CD player kasi nasira ang Integra ko. Marami ako audiophile CDs that we can use. But I don't know if anyone is really interested in this. :)
hmmm.... tamang tama ito sir mark, kasi may nagrerequest for a new nmt shootout, diba pumila ka ng hdpro, ako kukuha ng cinema tube, tapos i heard naka c-200 na si sir alvinthx, its like old sigma chip vs new sigma chip vs realtek chip shootout and of course the cable blind test. ;D
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hmmm.... tamang tama ito sir mark, kasi may nagrerequest for a new nmt shootout, diba pumila ka ng hdpro, ako kukuha ng cinema tube, tapos i heard naka c-200 na si sir alvinthx, its like old sigma chip vs new sigma chip vs realtek chip shootout and of course the cable blind test. ;D
Pwede. ;D
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hi,
if you want to blind test a generic cable against a branded one, i suggest the following:
1. two sets if identical set-ups, meaning from source to speakers, only the speaker cables are different.
2. the two set-ups are set for equal loudness levels.
3. the program material will be the same for both played randomly or in sequence.
4. the listeners will not see the set-up, they will just hear the program material being played.
5. the group/person in charge of playing the programs will play the two set-ups randomly in no particular order, but the order will be recorded. only they will know the sequence the programs were played on which system containing those two cables.a disinterested party will monitor the procedings making sure that the audience/participants will not be tipped off and the sequence recorded properly.
6.there will be 10 programs to be played.
7. the listeners at the end of each program will check their score cards, there will be two choices only, either generic or branded.
8. at least 10 participants are required.
at the end of the shoot-out the scored will be compared to the actual sequence. it will be interesting to find out how many picked the right cable.
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i dont think any number of blind/double blind tests will convince me to use raon cables
i also dislike RAON cables, i buy japanese cables from automotive shops..... ;D
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hi,
if you want to blind test a generic cable against a branded one, i suggest the following:
1. two sets if identical set-ups, meaning from source to speakers, only the speaker cables are different.
2. the two set-ups are set for equal loudness levels.
3. the program material will be the same for both played randomly or in sequence.
4. the listeners will not see the set-up, they will just hear the program material being played.
5. the group/person in charge of playing the programs will play the two set-ups randomly in no particular order, but the order will be recorded. only they will know the sequence the programs were played on which system containing those two cables.a disinterested party will monitor the procedings making sure that the audience/participants will not be tipped off and the sequence recorded properly.
6.there will be 10 programs to be played.
7. the listeners at the end of each program will check their score cards, there will be two choices only, either generic or branded.
8. at least 10 participants are required.
at the end of the shoot-out the scored will be compared to the actual sequence. it will be interesting to find out how many picked the right cable.
Don't worry. Dami na namin experience sa blind test. We have done blind test for 8 different DVD players, for 4 different Hi-def or upscaling DVD players and for Dolby TruHD vs. Dolby Digital. More than 20 participated. Since we plan to combine this with NMT blind test, I'm sure many will attend.
We are very careful with blind tests so that it is as scientific as possible. We will follow all your suggestions, except maybe for the 10 programs. Will depend on time availability. Baka 6 na lang.
In addition, you might say that the system must be high-end, with acoustic treatment, etc. My audio system is not the highest end but it's pretty good.
Yes, the outcome will be pretty interesting. The last time we did a blind test, people preferred Dolby Digital over Dolby TruHD and they also preferred the video of the Popcorn vs. a Bluray player. Nagulat lahat. ;D ;D
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pwede ba isama na rin ang DIY's?
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pwede ba isama na rin ang DIY's?
DIY speaker cables? I think the only thing you can do is solder the ends and kabit to plugs. What's on your mind, Donnel?
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DIY speaker cables? I think the only thing you can do is solder the ends and kabit to plugs. What's on your mind, Donnel?
We have a very good DIY master here who does his own speaker wire and I am one of those who were satisfied with it. We can also probably invite him sir Mark what do you think?
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sir mark, sama ako dyan sa eb for speaker wires :)
even if i have to file a leave for that day, diy vs. ordinary hardware vs raon vs branded. lets get it on! :D
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sir mark, sama ako dyan sa eb for speaker wires :)
even if i have to file a leave for that day, diy vs. ordinary hardware vs raon vs branded. lets get it on! :D
tingin ko ito ang magiging pinakamahirap na blind test.
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The only problem is that the speaker cables for testing need to be about 40 feet long (distance from my amps to the main speakers).
Kawawa naman ang mag-DIY ng speaker cables ng 40 feet. Kung braided pa yan, matinding kalyo ang resulta dyan. ;D
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sir mark, sama ako dyan sa eb for speaker wires :)
even if i have to file a leave for that day, diy vs. ordinary hardware vs raon vs branded. lets get it on! :D
Where does Belden fit in here? It's bulk cable, they'll terminate there after cutting from a large roll, no fancy packaging with pre-cut and terminated retail, BUT it isn't cheap.
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hi,
if you want to blind test a generic cable against a branded one, i suggest the following:
1. two sets if identical set-ups, meaning from source to speakers, only the speaker cables are different.
2. the two set-ups are set for equal loudness levels.
3. the program material will be the same for both played randomly or in sequence.
4. the listeners will not see the set-up, they will just hear the program material being played.
5. the group/person in charge of playing the programs will play the two set-ups randomly in no particular order, but the order will be recorded. only they will know the sequence the programs were played on which system containing those two cables.a disinterested party will monitor the procedings making sure that the audience/participants will not be tipped off and the sequence recorded properly.
6.there will be 10 programs to be played.
7. the listeners at the end of each program will check their score cards, there will be two choices only, either generic or branded.
8. at least 10 participants are required.
at the end of the shoot-out the scored will be compared to the actual sequence. it will be interesting to find out how many picked the right cable.
How do we fit Belden in there? Can't we get QED, Belden, and 14ga Raon cable?
1) Should it be scorecards or notes? Problem is how do we make a point that one category, branded, is absolutely better than another, Raon (or vice versa) when there are different branded cables that affect the sound differently? Can't we just check first if people CAN hear a difference. Like I said, a branded cable can have an effect, but it can be to the negative. I wouldn't be surprised if someone who uses an entry-level with a metallic tweeter starts complaining about a silver cable, etc. If we want to prove "better" we have to test several branded cables against a Raon cable, otherwise it'll be inconclusive.
2) Also, should we control the tracks, or let the listeners pick 3 that they are most familiar with, bring their own discs if they have to? Or at least some of the track choices will be their own. If the differences are subtle an unfamiliar or less familiar track will not make the differences noticeable when we're rushing through standard listening times in a test.
3) Lastly, anyone an instrument to measure dB from a test tone? I've had experience with testing ICs and immediately conclude that the louder cable is better all the time. Until at some point I realized the loudest cable may not have a flat response, given how the high freqs on one pair were a bit shrill. I dunno about absolute volume being affected by speaker cables but I guess better to prepare for the possibility.
BTW if anyone has any small Dyn standmounts please bring those. Haven't heard the Stratus yet, but from my experience Dyns are msot responsive to changes in components used.
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They're the industry standard for SPDIF cables, as they are known to maintain the 75ohm impedance throughout longer runs.
i see this "characteristic impedance" like 50 or 75 ohms mentioned a lot of times wrt coax cables used in audio...
this is another misconception, the 50 or 75 ohms impedance is the terminated end load that is supposed to be seen by the cable, it is not the cable itself.....and we are dealing with hundered thousands to milion cycles per second of signal.....in other words RF frequencies...
audio has a bandwidth of only 20hz to 20khz...too damn low to matter..... ;)
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diy vs. ordinary hardware vs raon vs branded. lets get it on!
it would be easier if there were only 2 variables in the tests....
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it would be easier if there were only 2 variables in the tests....
i hope its raon vs. branded "audiophile" grade.
i just want to challenge these cables, for me kasi copper is copper.
how about we conduct the test this way,
audiophile listens to both first. then switch cables.
wag nalang which one is better, let's just ask him what was the cable used. mas feasible ata ito, since marami daw variables to consider. whatchathink?
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We have a very good DIY master here who does his own speaker wire and I am one of those who were satisfied with it. We can also probably invite him sir Mark what do you think?
I really don't want to burden the guy and have him do 2 pairs of 40-foot cables. The same thing would apply to Belden cables cuz they are pretty expensive and who is going to supply them?
I think that the simplest thing will be to just compare my existing Monster speaker cables with Raon cables. Anyhow, the retail price of the Monster cables is higher than Belden and look at what is written on the cable:
"MONSTER CABLE High resolution precision stranded "Time Correct" speaker cable with Magnetic Flux Tube and LPE dielectric"
Doh .... D ba impressive yun? ;D ;D
With regard to the material to be used and the procedures, people can keep on suggesting. Let me work on these with kagawad Iiinas (neighbor ko rin kasi) and then come up with a draft for all to comment on.
Offhand -- I think there is no problem for people to bring their own material but if everyone brings material, d tayo matatapos. We try to use audiophile-class material for these tests with different types of characteristics (heavy bass, concert, blues, soprano, tenor). Perhaps, the simplest would be for people to suggest material and agree on them even before we start the test.
I have a Radioshack meter so people can use it to verify that SPL is the same. In fact, we can run pink noise with each cable to verify that SPL is the same for both.
I really prefer just to use my existing PSB Stratus Goldi speakers, which are already pretty high-end. One of my considerations here is that the speakers will pass through the Audyssey MultEQ XT room correction of the Denon 3808. Any new speaker will not be properly calibrated unless I run the Audyssey process which will take more than 30 minutes. Another important point: If you want to do a fair blind test, you need to use full-range speakers because some fancy cables are supposed to enhance the bass. You can't really go low with bookshelf speakers. The Stratus Goldi speakers go below 40 hz.
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Just my 2 cents.
If you guys gonna be comparing a generic raon speaker cables like this:
(http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/ac/acoustic-high-quality-ofc-speaker-cable.jpg)
to a monster cable like this:
(http://www.monstercable.com/images_350w_225h/home_av/speaker_cable/MC_TECH.jpg)
then, you might not really hear the difference. What you are paying more for the monster cable is the name, packaging and better termination.
Why not try ageneric/raon speaker cable with brands like acoustic zen, Cardas, Nordost, to name a few. This is where the diffrenece really counts in spending more on cables to get more from your system. ;D ;D ;D
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Why not try ageneric/raon speaker cable with brands like acoustic zen, Cardas, Nordost, to name a few. This is where the diffrenece really counts in spending more on cables to get more from your system. ;D ;D ;D
agree!
or set price points for comparison
ex. branded cable A - 500php/meter;
branded cable B - 1500php/meter
generic cable - 100php/meter
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Just my 2 cents.
If you guys gonna be comparing a generic raon speaker cables like this:
(http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/ac/acoustic-high-quality-ofc-speaker-cable.jpg)
to a monster cable like this:
(http://www.monstercable.com/images_350w_225h/home_av/speaker_cable/MC_TECH.jpg)
then, you might not really hear the difference. What you are paying more for the monster cable is the name, packaging and better termination.
Why not try ageneric/raon speaker cable with brands like acoustic zen, Cardas, Nordost, to name a few. This is where the diffrenece really counts in spending more on cables to get more from your system. ;D ;D ;D
Ah ... Sure! Can you please supply 40 ft. of that cable?
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Ah ... Sure! Can you please supply 40 ft. of that cable?
I just cannot understand why 40 feet is needed for this blind test. For long runs, generic cables of the correct gauge should be good enough especially for home theater installation in the rear channels.
Cables to use will always be determined by how fat is your wallet is and how well your system reacts with different cables. Let your ears always be the judge. Different cables will sound different in one way or another but how this difference be in your system will be is depending on system synergy. Lucky are those people who cannot hear the difference as you are saving money on just using normal cables. Sad for us beleivers as we tend to set aside a bit more budget for cables. ;D ;D ;D
No flames intended, as we are just sharing thoughts. ;D ;D ;D
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I just cannot understand why 40 feet is needed for this blind test.
10 feet is ussually more than enough....more than this and you are over doing it already....
unless you are setting up for a mobile disco....in shich case you ussually need more.... ;D
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I just cannot understand why 40 feet is needed for this blind test. For long runs, generic cables of the correct gauge should be good enough especially for home theater installation in the rear channels.
10 feet is ussually more than enough....more than this and you are over doing it already....
unless you are setting up for a mobile disco....in shich case you ussually need more.... ;D
I thought it was clear. This photo should give you an idea of the size of my HT. The equipment rack is to the left of the person in red shirt. The speakers and screen are behind the camera. I need about 40 feet of cable cuz it has to snake up through that opening towards the front speakers.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb190/streetsmart88/03IMG_3477.jpg)
I can always set up a CD player, preamp and power amp just between my front speakers in which case I would need only 2 pairs of 7-foot cable. Also, this would not be ideal for me because I wouldn't be able to pass the signal through Audyssey room correction.
But ... someone has to bring those exotic cables.
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Agree. You will notice that the wires inside amps connecting to the speaker terminals are even much thinner (since they're short). :D
tama po kayo dito ....
pati na din sa loob ng speaker baffles ....
Pero nabili ko na Ga#12 wires ko eh so why waste it ;d
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Wow, ang layo pala ng equipment mo sa speakers. I'm a cable beleiver kung kaya ang audio arrangement ko ay base sa length ng cable that i could afford.
In your case, it is a matter kung ano ang priorities. During sa blind test, pwede rin sigurong i-compare ang belden, monster at generic in short lengths. If one is better than the other in a big margin then maybe it could be feasible to buy the 40ft lengnth.
My best bet is the Belden speaker cable that i suggested somewhere in this thread. Hopefully somebody could bring in these cables. I listened to one set-up here in Singapore. He was using the following, Diva Audio Tian Zhu, Diva Audio Classic 1H, Marantz CD63 (TS Lim (designer of Diva Audio) moddified), Vienna Acoustic Haydn Grand and BeldenSpeakerCable. I was quite amazed in his set-up, as the speakers were maybe around 8ft apart and he is just sitting 4ft away but you could hear all of the music playing behind the speakers.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/diva/tianzhu.html
(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/diva/angle.jpg)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r224/iggytan/Iggy.jpg)
(http://www.soundfood.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/vienna.jpg)
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I just cannot understand why 40 feet is needed for this blind test. For long runs, generic cables of the correct gauge should be good enough especially for home theater installation in the rear channels.
Cables to use will always be determined by how fat is your wallet is and how well your system reacts with different cables. Let your ears always be the judge. Different cables will sound different in one way or another but how this difference be in your system will be is depending on system synergy. Lucky are those people who cannot hear the difference as you are saving money on just using normal cables. Sad for us beleivers as we tend to set aside a bit more budget for cables. ;D ;D ;D
No flames intended, as we are just sharing thoughts. ;D ;D ;D
sir pag umpisa pa lang ng ganitong topic, parang may hawak na ng posporo at gas! ;D
'ika nga - "never shall the twain meet"
if cables will be 2 to 3 meter pairs, im sure meron pwede magpapahiram dito. (calling superman/jen nandito ka yata next week? pahiram ng kimber 8tc!) ;D
pwede ko pahiram > qed silver anniversary xt (500php/meter) - 2.5meter pair
audioquest indigo+ or acoustic zen epoch - both 2meter pairs; sourced from father nizmo
sana typical dynamic speaker - 2way bookshelves or floorstanders ang gamitin.
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Try to see if they have the Belden 83802 (2 wire) or the 83803 (3 wire) power cable.
They are quite stiff and is quite hard to bend for short lengths of 1 meter. They need long break-in. The sound is quite neutral in it's presentation with a firm grip in the bass.
(http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/diyMains/01_Belden83803.jpg)
http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/diyMains/
These are the best belden power cable i could recommend. These are the same power cable used in constructing the Ven Hause flavor 1, 2 & 3 powercord.
http://www.vhaudio.com/powercables.html
checked with avesco, they dont have 5digit belden models.
nearest is the belden 8718 @ 182php/meter 12ga./grey colored jacket
pwede na experimento as speaker cable; pag di type, gawing power-cord ;D
pic and info from the net>>>
(http://www.newark.com/productimages/nio/standard/4164997.jpg)
(http://stores.sacelec.com/sacramentoelectronics/images/products/10664.jpg)
Description
Shielded Paired Cable
Spool Length (Imperial):500ft
Spool Length (Metric):152.4m
No. of Pairs:1
Conductor Size:12
Jacket Material:Polyethylene
No. Strands x Strand Size:19 x 25
Leaded Process Compatible:Yes
RoHS Compliant: Yes
its even mentioned here: http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/bulletproofing-your-system-from-interference
Shielded speaker cable? Definitely! Belden #8718 is a 12-AWG twisted pair with a foil shield and drain wire for an easy connection to earth ground. Connect the 12-AWG twisted pair to the appropriate amp and loudspeakers terminals. The drain wire should be connected to earth ground at one point only. I have it easy here in my listening room because my power amp chassis is connected to earth ground. Do not connect the drain wire to the speaker. If you don't have a readily available earth ground on your equipment, I suggest running the drain wire to the earth ground of your a.c. line. There are special a.c. socket plugs that have an earth ground connection only.
If you are connecting the drain wire to earth ground, do not connect that drain wire to either wire of the twisted pair. Also, don't leave the drain wire unconnected as it can act as a very good receiving antenna.
Shielding your speaker cables will greatly reduce static electricity that can form on cables when they rest on a carpeted floor, especially on cold, dry days. Shielded a.c. line cords can also help under strong interference conditions.
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rene,
ganyan ang gawa namin sa cable terminations dito sa planta....nag-instrumentation tech ka? ;D
speaking of cables, gage12 is what? 4mm. square......we have cables here up to 600mm square.....so those cables are skimpy by our plant standards..... ???
we also have steel wire armored, and braided steel.....and the really excotic ones are copper foil wrapped, xlpe/pvc covered......beyond the reach of audiophiles at any cost..... ;D
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rene,
ganyan ang gawa namin sa cable terminations dito sa planta....nag-instrumentation tech ka? ;D
speaking of cables, gage12 is what? 4mm. square......we have cables here up to 600mm square.....so those cables are skimpy by our plant standards..... ???
we also have steel wire armored, and braided steel.....and the really excotic ones are copper foil wrapped, xlpe/pvc covered......beyond the reach of audiophiles at any cost..... ;D
tony ayos yan gamitin sa dbt! ;D
ok talaga parts/components ng old equipments like ibm ncr burroughs mainframes and equipment modules (junked dinosaurs) - dami ko inuwi at pinamigay silvercoated/silver? cable jumpers; sayang yun vacuum tubes ng captured iraqi russian tanks (tinambak lang ng mga Kano). yung friend ko sa britishaerospace nanghinayang din gaganda daw ng mga cables.
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marami kaming junked cables dito, mahirap lang mag-uwi, mabigat kasi, pero me kaunti akong naipon na 2 core twisted pair, 1mm sqaure, with screen wire and aluminum foil sheilds.....magandang material for a diy interconnects.... ;D
sana matuloy ang speaker cable blind testing.... ;D
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ganun talaga branded speaker cables- from "cheap" entry-level to expensive hi-end speaker wire models. ex. QED - qudos to silver anniversary xt (500php/meter) to x-tube to silver spiral.
meron din outrageously expensive exotic models na alambre din ang laman. pero kung milyonaryo ang isang audiophile, balewala sa kanya ang gastos maski mabansagan pa siyang audiofool.
as for me, ok na ang qed silver anniversary xt. or pwede rin set ng limit, 10% of the total system cost.
if you have generic brand, manghiram ka ng branded speaker cable. then decide if ano ang mas maganda. if mas maganda branded sa pandinig mo, willing ka ba gumastos? wag mo isipin ang technical details (capacitance, resistance etc) - trust your ears and wallet! ;D
Sir,
nahuli ka sa bibig, isa ka ngang "milyonaryo", kasi ojofool ka..he he he
karamihan daw ng milyonaryo sawaen sa gamit.....akin abang ibang audio gears mo, baka ibenta mo na, dahil sawa ka na.....sana.... sana..me ibenta ka na tagal ko ng inaabangan... 8)
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HI,
the coils on your speakers can be anywhere from gauge 34 to 24.....how on earth can a gauge 8 help the sound? go figure... ;D you can get the biggest, most expensive cable your money can buy, but the fact remains, your speaker's coils uses dinky wires... ;D ;D ;D
i quote ko lang po si Sir TonyT,..medyo interesting eh...napaisip ako he he
makapal nga speaker wires na nilalagay natin from amp to speaker,...pero yung sa speakers coils..manipis..
pakisagot naman mga guru sa audio. :-\
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hindi totoo yan. maraming makakapagpatotoo nyan kaya dahan-dahan ka sa binibitawan mo salita, uutangan kita! ;D ;D ;D
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I'm cancelling the speaker wire blind test. I've hosted several blind tests at Pinoydvd and aside from being educational, most important, masaya sobra. I don't think this proposed blind test is going to be fun. Besides, no matter what the results, I don't think we will learn anything. Cables for audio are more like a religion.
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^ yeah, Cinema Tube product test nalang ;D
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makapal nga speaker wires na nilalagay natin from amp to speaker,...pero yung sa speakers coils..manipis..
bakit nga kaya? saan kaya nagsimula yung paggamit ng makapal na cable sa speakers? the biggest i've used is a gage 14, never found it wanting..... ;D
my AIWA minicompo used #22 and the music seems so alive..... ;D
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I don't think we will learn anything.
because there is nothing to learn, it is just copper and plastic in a variety of sizes and shapes... ;D
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I dont know but there was a speaker wire blind test conducted in 2004 i think by the pdvd and so many were disgusted by the result. Why? final analysis indicated that the locally available Audio Pro speaker wire won. ;D
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I dont know but there was a speaker wire blind test conducted in 2004 i think by the pdvd and so many were disgusted by the result. Why? final analysis indicated that the locally available Audio Pro speaker wire won. ;D
And why were people disgusted? :)
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2004
that time....i remember the very heated discussions....the thread was split into two iirc.... ;)
but i think is was more of a shoot-out...maybe those who attended the event can share their experiences......calling on avphile, where are you?
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And why were people disgusted? :)
They seemed to have expected other brands to shine very high.
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They seemed to have expected other brands to shine very high.
Well, if you pay thousands of pesos for a pair of cables, you certainly want to prove that you didn't waste your money. Some of my interconnects are Monster and they cost $100 per meter. Frankly, I think I wasted my money on them but that was many years ago.
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maski kasi dbt, hindi maiwasan maisip ng iba na "shootout".
if natuloy dbt, i would have lent my cables but i wont be present sa dbt. let the others judge. no need info me results, kasi to each his own naman ;D
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hi, in case you want to know here is the old thread.....http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=
16579.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=
16579.0)
heto naman ang pinagmulan ng lahat: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=1795.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=1795.0)
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This is based on my own experience, so take it with a grain of salt...
i bought a 3 mtr pair of ordinary speaker wires from raon(gauge 14), tatak 'crown' which cost about 30pesos per meter. i had the tips soldered by a technician at ang sabi niya, "ordinaryong bakal" lang daw yun sabay idinikit sa magnet and voila!, dumikit nga!. Pag copper wire daw ang laman ay hindi raw didikit yung magnet so i immediately tried it with my branded speaker wire and true to his word hindi dumikit.
Lesson learned, yung mga nabibili na wire sa raon be sure na hindi bakal na coated ng copper by bringing small magnets dahil pag bakal daw e mabilis din ang oxidations, rustings etc. Out of curiosity, sinubukan ko pa rin and i cant seem to find any sonic improvement when compared to my branded speaker wire(ixos gauge 12) or siguro hindi lang audiophile grade ang pandinig ko ;D
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This is based on my own experience, so take it with a grain of salt...
i bought a 3 mtr pair of ordinary speaker wires from raon(gauge 14), tatak 'crown' which cost about 30pesos per meter. i had the tips soldered by a technician at ang sabi niya, "ordinaryong bakal" lang daw yun sabay idinikit sa magnet and voila!, dumikit nga!. Pag copper wire daw ang laman ay hindi raw didikit yung magnet so i immediately tried it with my branded speaker wire and true to his word hindi dumikit.
Lesson learned, yung mga nabibili na wire sa raon be sure na hindi bakal na coated ng copper by bringing small magnets dahil pag bakal daw e mabilis din ang oxidations, rustings etc. Out of curiosity, sinubukan ko pa rin and i cant seem to find any sonic improvement when compared to my branded speaker wire(ixos gauge 12) or siguro hindi lang audiophile grade ang pandinig ko ;D
nice tip, thanks, ;D copper cables should be...well, copper......should not contain iron that can be detected by magnets..... ;)
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I dont know but there was a speaker wire blind test conducted in 2004 i think by the pdvd and so many were disgusted by the result. Why? final analysis indicated that the locally available Audio Pro speaker wire won. ;D
....which means there is a difference in sound after all :)
any idea why the local cable won this shoot-out?
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I really dont know if i can technically use the term won because it just happened that more people i think preferred to listen to the music when this cable was used without them knowing of course.
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I really dont know if i can technically use the term won because it just happened that more people i think preferred to listen to the music when this cable was used without them knowing of course.
sana matuloy.
ganito lang yung format para mas madali.
location: audiophile's listening room
cables: generic, diy, branded, exotic
tester: audiophile himself since he knows his room very well
test would be as follows:
1. audiophile listens using all cables without blindfolds
2. audiophile listens using cables with blindfold
:)
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Audio-pro uses copper, if the other cable was silver or silver coated, the difference would be that the silver would be more detailed / revealing of the recording. I myself prefer copper as I prefer warmer sound.
....which means there is a difference in sound after all :)
any idea why the local cable won this shoot-out?
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Also before anyone says na walang difference ang cables, please validate the instrument that is being used sa testing - your ears !!! As we grow older higher frequencies tend to fade so, in short, if the difference in different cables are in those frequencies, then there would be no difference. I remember my Dad, everytime may party sa bahay namin, ngo ngo daw yung stereo at puro bass, so he would adjust the eq to exagerate the mids and highs... ayun alisan ang tao sa room
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Hey dont say that qguy -- nasasaktan ako..huhuhu :'(-- ;D
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No worries.. I myself cant here up to 20Khz... 18khz lang ata last time I checked, some are far worst depending on exposure to sound levels and age
Hey dont say that qguy -- nasasaktan ako..huhuhu :'(-- ;D
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Also before anyone says na walang difference ang cables, please validate the instrument that is being used sa testing - your ears !!! As we grow older higher frequencies tend to fade so, in short, if the difference in different cables are in those frequencies, then there would be no difference. I remember my Dad, everytime may party sa bahay namin, ngo ngo daw yung stereo at puro bass, so he would adjust the eq to exagerate the mids and highs... ayun alisan ang tao sa room
did you change cables or adjusted tone controls? ;D
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hearing lost is just facts of life, inevitable yan.. unlike sight the person immediately sees na malabo or he cant read the prints that he normally can read in the past...but when it comes to hearing loss, its more often than not that its the sound that is supposed to be there is simply just not there, since walang evidence to its presence.
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My dad requested 10 gauge silver cables and silver plated copper interconnects for enhance high frequency performance :-)
did you change cables or adjusted tone controls? ;D
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Also before anyone says na walang difference ang cables, please validate the instrument that is being used sa testing - your ears !!! As we grow older higher frequencies tend to fade so, in short, if the difference in different cables are in those frequencies, then there would be no difference. I remember my Dad, everytime may party sa bahay namin, ngo ngo daw yung stereo at puro bass, so he would adjust the eq to exagerate the mids and highs... ayun alisan ang tao sa room
kalabaw lang tumatanda ;D
yes youre rite. habang tumatanda may mga taong humihina pandinig.
there was a time, inakala ko bakit di yata pantay tunog nung ginawang diy preamp na walang balance control. mahina sa kanan. 1oclock then 2oclock then 3oclock then nagka-tinitus ako, ringing of ears. paktaylo! nagpa-acupunture pa ako and nagresearch na...Thanks God and dr. mike (eposman, ENT) nagamot niya and after a week, balanse na ang tunog.
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sana matuloy.
ganito lang yung format para mas madali.
location: audiophile's listening room
cables: generic, diy, branded, exotic
tester: audiophile himself since he knows his room very well
test would be as follows:
1. audiophile listens using all cables without blindfolds
2. audiophile listens using cables with blindfold
:)
Huwah!? :o
Sana nga po matuloy ang Tournament of Speaker Cables.
Para magkaalaman na nga kung may difference nga sa audio/sound
or useful life term lang ng cables ang dahilan kung bakit medyo exotic ang price.
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I also agree that cables may have sound difference -- but that difference may not indicate that the one is better than the other. However, when in a blind test the cheaper cable is preferred by more, then this is the thing that disturbs owners of exotic cables.
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i am willing to grant these believers that they can really hear differences in cables......that part doesn't bother me..... ;) ;D
what distrubs me is when they start parading scientific attributes to cables that are hard to swallow.....that is when i react... >:(
oh, and to alter the sound of my system, i depend on tone controls, rather than cables.... ;D
so that makes me a non-audiophile... ;D
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i am willing to grant these believers that they can really hear differences in cables......that part doesn't bother me..... ;) ;D
what distrubs me is when they start parading scientific attributes to cables that are hard to swallow.....that is when i react... >:(
oh, and to alter the sound of my system, i depend on tone controls, rather than cables.... ;D
so that makes me a non-audiophile... ;D
Yes, this is what I do too, especially when I listen at lower levels. You need to raise the treble a little bit and the bass a little more. That's because of the Fletcher-Munson curves which show that at low listening levels, your sensitivity to the lower and higher frequencies decreases. That's scientific.
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I miss my loudness button on my vintage amps :-)
Yes, this is what I do too, especially when I listen at lower levels. You need to raise the treble a little bit and the bass a little more. That's because of the Fletcher-Munson curves which show that at low listening levels, your sensitivity to the lower and higher frequencies decreases. That's scientific.
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I miss my loudness button on my vintage amps :-)
Yes, and the modern replacement is Audyssey Dynamic EQ. Also very scientific.
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Yes, and the modern replacement is Audyssey Dynamic EQ. Also very scientific.
ot: bro does this make the sound brighter? or louder? mine is always switched to off kasi. :)
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i miss equalizer spectrum analyzer bar leds flashing up and down ;D
basta happy contented satisfied ako sa narinig at di naman butas ang bulsa ko, ayos na! i dont care much whether in accordance to any scientific laws etc ;D ;D ;D
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ot: bro does this make the sound brighter? or louder? mine is always switched to off kasi. :)
It makes the perception of the frequencies to remain flat, even if you are listening at volumes below reference level. It dynamically raises the volume of the lower and higher frequencies. It should work perfectly with movies, which are mixed to a known common standard. The problem with music (CD's and even DVD music concerts) is that there is no standard. Most often, people have to reduce the input level by 5 to 10 db (you can do this through the AVR) in order to have a pleasing result. You need to experiment, but the technology is pretty amazing. It's not the typical parametric equalizer.
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i miss equalizer spectrum analyzer bar leds flashing up and down ;D
basta happy contented satisfied ako sa narinig at di naman butas ang bulsa ko, ayos na! i dont care much whether in accordance to any scientific laws etc ;D ;D ;D
+1, There re no scientific laws applicable to cables anyway..... ;D
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TonyT,
Is there a scientific explanation why silver sounds different to copper ?
+1, There is scientific laws applicable to cables anyway..... ;D
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there are only claims to that effect....no proof that can be verified... ;D
individual experiences are not proof unless it can be verified in a double blind test.... ;D
there is nothing wrong in experiencing hearing differnces in sounds between cables, just realize that those are our "own" individual experience, which may or not tally with the experience of another....
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Gusto ko rin minsan mag try ng mga expensive speaker cables or even interconnects kasi base sa nababasa ko 'gumanda' raw ang tunog o kaya naman naging mas 'detailed' daw yung sound kaya lang may mga comments or rhetorical questions kagaya kay sir tony like:
1. paano gaganda ang tunog kahit gumamit ka pa ng pure silver/pure copper na speaker wire/ic kung ang wires naman sa amp at sa voice coils ng speaker e ordinaryo lang din. Siguro maniniwala ako kung ang material na ginamit from amp to speaker coil ay iisa/parehas
2. paanong ang mas malaking gauge ng speaker wire e napapaganda ang tunog samantalang ang ginamit na wire sa amp at sa voice coil e katulad lang sa tip ng ballpen?
3. and then puede namang i adjust ang tone ng sound(mids, bass, highs) without really changing the speaker cable or ic, di po ba?
kindly enlighten me... :)
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matutuloy po ba ang testing ng cables? ung branded vs hindi branded?
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there is nothing wrong in experiencing hearing differnces in sounds between cables, just realize that those are our "own" individual experience, which may or not tally with the experience of another....
Definitely agree ;D ;D ;D
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Ako naman here's what I notice with my speaker cables, I have 4 diff types: copper to silver coated ones, guages vary from 14ga to biwire, Here is what I do: I arrange them from the warmest sounding ones to the more detailed sounding then pair them to my specific needs, ex. If i find my new equipt bright then I proceed to changing to the warmer sounding ones until I find it best to suit my taste, you will be surprised at times that It's not always the most expensive cables that win, but it's the one that matches your system and your taste well. Same goes for IC cables, but that's just me folks Hope this helps :D. Synergy may be the key!
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you will be surprised at times that It's not always the most expensive cables that win, but it's the one that matches your system and your taste well. Same goes for IC cables, but that's just me folks Hope this helps :D. Synergy may be the key!
Again agree ;D ;D ;D
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Question, tama ba na dapat same length ng wires and Left at Right rear speakers? kahit mas malapit yung right rear speaker kesa sa left? para pareho ng haba ang tatakbuhan ng tunog at sabay lalabas sa speakers?
Im building my boss' set up kasi, and will only be using generic wires, #12 ata sya, 60pesos per meter and we need 38Meters. Ok na ba to?
Also thinking of using thicker cables sa front, lets say #12 sa fronts, then 14 sa rears? o dapat same thickness?
Thanks a lot!
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Bro I think since the length difference of the wires may not be that much, that would not be a problem. But symmetry says that it is better to have equal length. This should be resolved by your mind or else you will not have peace. ;D
Gauge 12 is big and heavy also expensive. Just like my fronts. But when i tried to use 16 on one side, i could not hear any difference. The length of my 12 g front wires is 3meter for each side.
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The further away the speaker from the amp, the thicker the cable should be. But since we're not talking kilometric distances, 14ga all around should be ok.
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thanks Bumblebee and Jerix!
I've inquired already and the 14s costs 65pesos, thats cheapest that Ive seen, can it get any cheaper pa ba? as I will use around 40meters.
Perhaps I can use 14s for the fronts and center then 16s for the rears, tapos subwoofer cable pa pala and RCA tips, ooops Banana plugs pa pala 4pairs. :( 4+k din pala aabot.
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bro anchit, kung tama pagkakaintindi ko sa post nila, yung rears dapat may mas matabang cable :)
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14 or 16 g is even enough for all speakers bros. Your surrounds may not even need 10 meters of wire each siguro.
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14 or 16 g is even enough for all speakers bros. Your surrounds may not even need 10 meters of wire each siguro.
I'll be using 14s na sir, got a good deal with one pdvd member sa spare wires nya. ;) nasa 10meters sir ang gagamtin for the rear, medyo mahaba.
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I'll be using 14s na sir, got a good deal with one pdvd member sa spare wires nya. ;) nasa 10meters sir ang gagamtin for the rear, medyo mahaba.
Since naka-save ka na sa speaker wires mo for your rears, baka puwede mo na i-invest yung savings mo sa front and center speaker wires mo. ;) Nandyan si master Cal para sa DIY speaker cables niya. Spectacular reviews!
Fronts ang nagdadala sa HT setup, so you might want to think about better cables. Pero we might go back to the age-old debate about branded vs generic cables. ::)
I use the same 14awg cables for my 4 rears (sides and back, 7.1 kasi), but I use Canare 4s11 for my fronts and center (bi-wired).
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Since naka-save ka na sa speaker wires mo for your rears, baka puwede mo na i-invest yung savings mo sa front and center speaker wires mo. ;) Nandyan si master Cal para sa DIY speaker cables niya. Spectacular reviews!
Fronts ang nagdadala sa HT setup, so you might want to think about better cables. Pero we might go back to the age-old debate about branded vs generic cables. ::)
I use the same 14awg cables for my 4 rears (sides and back, 7.1 kasi), but I use Canare 4s11 for my fronts and center (bi-wired).
haha as much as I want to kaso the budget no longer permits me to buy good wires like that. Tutal puro Dream Theater, Metallica lang naman papakinggan nya, basta maingay oks na sa boss ko yun. ;D
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haha as much as I want to kaso the budget no longer permits me to buy good wires like that. Tutal puro Dream Theater, Metallica lang naman papakinggan nya, basta maingay oks na sa boss ko yun. ;D
Ayos. Nga pala, para kay boss 'to. Well, tell him to enjoy the setup as long as possible. In time, he might get bitten by the SARS bug. ;) Good luck with the setup sir. Your annual performance review might depend on it. ;D
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TonyT,
Wala bang benefit yung conductivity rating ng mga conductors ? Like I read silver has the highest rating followed by copper.
there are only claims to that effect....no proof that can be verified... ;D
individual experiences are not proof unless it can be verified in a double blind test.... ;D
there is nothing wrong in experiencing hearing differnces in sounds between cables, just realize that those are our "own" individual experience, which may or not tally with the experience of another....
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Wala bang benefit yung conductivity rating ng mga conductors
your speakers' voice coil is made of copper magnet wire, gage could be anywhere between #30 to #24. so how can a gold or silver or copper wire of gage #12 matter?
but of course, when you claim to hear a difference, then we have nothing to disscuss....
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I mean wires in general, not specific to just voice coils
your speakers' voice coil is made of copper magnet wire, gage could be anywhere between #30 to #24. so how can a gold or silver or copper wire of gage #12 matter?
but of course, when you claim to hear a difference, then we have nothing to disscuss....
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I mean wires in general, not specific to just voice coils
the wires(cables) connect to voice coils does it not? so how can we look at cables without looking at the voice coils? ;D
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I guess the answer to qguy's question is yes, may benefit ang conductivity rating ng mga conductors, if the same type of cable is used end-to-end.
But to TonyT's point, the entire connection is only as strong as its weakest link (in which case might be the speakers' copper magnet wire of awg24-30).
But I stand somewhere in between. Kahit ba awg30 lang ang speaker copper magnet wire, it does not mean that you can use awg30 throughout your setup. If you need longer runs (depending your your speaker location), you need to use thicker cables. Using the same awg30 cables for a 20m run will cause a huge wattage drop from the amp to the speaker. Pero this is just my 2¢, and it ain't worth much.
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But I stand somewhere in between. Kahit ba awg30 lang ang speaker copper magnet wire, it does not mean that you can use awg30 throughout your setup.
tama ka, ang pinupunto ko lang naman ay, wag masyadong padala sa mga hypes tungkol sa cables...
If you need longer runs (depending your your speaker location), you need to use thicker cables. Using the same awg30 cables for a 20m run will cause a huge wattage drop from the amp to the speaker. Pero this is just my 2¢, and it ain't worth much.
agree ako dito.... ;D
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ako naman i use 12/2 awg speakers wires kasi
1) nabili ko na, mura lang ;D
2) di naman niya sisirain siguro ang speakers o amps ko kaya ok lang
3) jacket is thick enough excluding pa yung jacket per wires sa loob.. survives some physical abuses ;D
4) mas maganda i-shoot sa speakers terminals, matigas at madaming wires kasi :D ;D
agree ako kay sir Tony at mga friends natin.. huwag papadala sa hype.. mas maigi pang ilagay na lang ang pera sa bank :D o kaya naman eh bumili ng magandang speakers, source materials, playback units, amps kaysa bumili ng expensive wires 8)
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the wires(cables) connect to voice coils does it not? so how can we look at cables without looking at the voice coils? ;D
TonyT - anong wire gamit mo and why?
ang pag kakaalam ko.. iba pa rin ang copper when it comes sa mga conductor or movable charged particles thus the motion of charges creates electromagnetic fields.. so tingin ko it helps pero ang tanong manonotice ba ng tenga natin ;)
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TonyT - anong wire gamit mo and why?
I used a ga.#14 flat cables 3 meters long.....it does the job for me.....4 way system, 15inch woofer, 12 inch low mid, 8 inch high mid, soft dome tweeter array.....i do not have the system now......i used a Leach superamp to power those.
iba pa rin ang copper when it comes sa mga conductor or movable charged particles thus the motion of charges creates electromagnetic fields..
huh? care to explain this? ;D
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hi guys! newbie po. I'm about to complete my ht set-up. kulang ko na lang are the wires. where can i buy good speaker wires and also for the sub? is it really important to use banana plugs for the speakers? thanks! ;D
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hi guys! newbie po. I'm about to complete my ht set-up. kulang ko na lang are the wires. where can i buy good speaker wires and also for the sub? is it really important to use banana plugs for the speakers? thanks! ;D
hi bro
banana plugs are just for convenience. isang matinding kabit lang ok na, ala plug and play nalang afterwards. kung di ka naman madalas magpalit ng speaker, pwedeng ipasintabi na muna at gastusan ang ibang bagay na mas importante. ;)
btw regarding what wires to use, i would suggest getting a 14awg copper wire, but i wont.
different strokes for different folks. backread a little and youll see other opinions etc.
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thanks! ill search again ;D
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dumugo ilong ko habang binabasa ko yung thread na to. honestly i dont even kn ow the technical terms although im into this audio video thing for quite sometime now
very recently, i get to meet people who have given me advises and in fact at times generous enough to lend me stuff for me to enjoy my audio set up
dati im using speaker cable na transparent but recently, a good samaritan lend me his audioquest indigo plus thyat i used to hook up nad 325 to my diamond 9.5. for someone who is not into the technicality of things, i must say ibang iba ang tunog ng set up ko now, my basis? how i hear it plainly basta ibang iba sya. i dont even know how much that cable is.
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dati im using speaker cable na transparent but recently, a good samaritan lend me his audioquest indigo plus thyat i used to hook up nad 325 to my diamond 9.5. for someone who is not into the technicality of things, i must say ibang iba ang tunog ng set up ko now, my basis? how i hear it plainly basta ibang iba sya. i dont even know how much that cable is.
this means youll have to spend more on cables bro :P
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dumugo ilong ko habang binabasa ko yung thread na to. honestly i dont even kn ow the technical terms although im into this audio video thing for quite sometime now
very recently, i get to meet people who have given me advises and in fact at times generous enough to lend me stuff for me to enjoy my audio set up
dati im using speaker cable na transparent but recently, a good samaritan lend me his audioquest indigo plus thyat i used to hook up nad 325 to my diamond 9.5. for someone who is not into the technicality of things, i must say ibang iba ang tunog ng set up ko now, my basis? how i hear it plainly basta ibang iba sya. i dont even know how much that cable is.
di kaya dahil lang sa fresh contacts and/or less resistance (bigger wire diameter) kaya gumanda ang tunog?
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To those who can hear better music using exotic and expensive cables, do you consider yourself blessed?
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To those who can hear better music using exotic and expensive cables, do you consider yourself blessed?
nope. the more blessed are those who can hear better music using cheaper alternative cables. they are experiencing the same results with just a fraction of the budget....arent they(blessed)?
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nope. the more blessed are those who can hear better music using cheaper alternative cables. they are experiencing the same results with just a fraction of the budget....arent they(blessed)?
Those who use expensive cables are actually twice blessed. They get poorer (which is a blessing, right?) and they get to turn the other cheek (being generous even to vendors who knowingly steal from then by foisting snake oils and catering to ignorance.)
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LOL!!! ;D sadyang mapaglaro ang utak natin.....marami dito ang madaling pasakayin.... ;D
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Those who use expensive cables are actually twice blessed. They get poorer (which is a blessing, right?) and they get to turn the other cheek (being generous even to vendors who knowingly steal from then by foisting snake oils and catering to ignorance.)
had an officemate who bought monster cables to replace his 14-gauge wires. then invited us for some beer and pulutan while listening to his audio system highlighting his new acqusition. having heard his previous setup, malaki talaga ang improvement... sa friendship namin! ;D
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had an officemate who bought monster cables to replace his 14-gauge wires. then invited us for some beer and pulutan while listening to his audio system highlighting his new acqusition. having heard his previous setup, malaki talaga ang improvement... sa friendship namin! ;D
hahahaha ;D
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had an officemate who bought monster cables to replace his 14-gauge wires. then invited us for some beer and pulutan while listening to his audio system highlighting his new acqusition. having heard his previous setup, malaki talaga ang improvement... sa friendship namin! ;D
very nice...friendship! :D
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had an officemate who bought monster cables to replace his 14-gauge wires. then invited us for some beer and pulutan while listening to his audio system highlighting his new acqusition. having heard his previous setup, malaki talaga ang improvement... sa friendship namin! ;D
LOL!!!
nice one sir mark. :)
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had an officemate who bought monster cables to replace his 14-gauge wires. then invited us for some beer and pulutan while listening to his audio system highlighting his new acqusition. having heard his previous setup, malaki talaga ang improvement... sa friendship namin! ;D
Amen. Cheers to that!
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Guys, I'm planning to use white electrical tape to hide my speaker wires which are laid on the floor (which is made of white tiles). This will prevent anyone from accidentally tripping them, and will keep them in place during room-cleaning.
I am not sure if this will have any negative effect, i.e. will the signal be adversely affected, etc. Do you think it's ok to cover the speaker wires with electrical tape? Thanks.
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@Levijones- if your system is not so revealing any adverse effect to SQ will not be noticable. Overtime elec tape will peel off and collect dirt so aesthetically it's not good material for that purpose. try to find PVC or flat rubber.. something like this:
http://www.electriduct.com/
HTH... ;D
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@Audiojunkie, thanks for the suggestion :D. My system is just an HTiB (Samsung HT-Z220) and it's in my bedroom. Guess I'll go ahead with electrical tape for now. But I'll shop around for the plastic/rubber cord covers like the ones in your link (I noticed they can get pricey)... When I upgrade to separates, they'll probably be worth it.
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@Levijones- if you system is not so revealing any adverse effect to SQ will not be noticable. Overtime elec tape will peel off and collect dirt so aesthetically it's not good material for that purpose. try to find PVC or flat rubber.. something lik this:
http://www.electriduct.com/
HTH... ;D
x 2 !!! 8)
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@Audiojunkie, thanks for the suggestion :D. My system is just an HTiB (Samsung HT-Z220) and it's in my bedroom. Guess I'll go ahead with electrical tape for now. But I'll shop around for the plastic/rubber cord covers like the ones in your link (I noticed they can get pricey)... When I upgrade to separates, they'll probably be worth it.
I bought my Rubber Duct cord covers 1 meter less than 250.00 at DIY but that was 4 years ago. Check again it may have not changed that much on price.
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I bought my Rubber Duct cord covers 1 meter less than 250.00 at DIY but that was 4 years ago. Check again it may have not changed that much on price.
Thanks for the tip, 6sigma. If it was P250/meter 4 years ago, it's probably within my budget! DIY, I think I saw one branch somewhere in Makati. I'll ask at Ace too.
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Guys san makakabili ng pinakamurang good quality speaker wires? 14gauge?
Pinakamura kasing nakita ko is Php25/meter from one of the most trusted sellers dito. Prob ko lang masyadong malayo QC ako Pasay sya hehe... Sa Raon ba meron kayong alam? Anong name ng shop/s?
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Guys san makakabili ng pinakamurang good quality speaker wires? 14gauge?
Pinakamura kasing nakita ko is Php25/meter from one of the most trusted sellers dito. Prob ko lang masyadong malayo QC ako Pasay sya hehe... Sa Raon ba meron kayong alam? Anong name ng shop/s?
Go to Avesco in Cubao or the main at San Francisco del monte. Usually they give less 20% on their prices.
You can also call them first to know the price.
http://www.avesco.com.ph/
Look for Michael Gonzales at Cubao.
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sa raon nakabili ako ng14gauge na P15/m.kelengan ka rin lumibot tska makihaggle kasi prepresyohan ka kaagad ng mga P20/m. ang maganda sa binilhan ko may sobra sobra pa kasi walang pakialam yung saleslady kahit may mga ilang centimeters na sobra sa pagsukat nya. those extra centimeters added up to at least 2 meters to the 50 meters i bought
it really pays to be nice to salesladies :D
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it really pays to be nice to salesladies :D
Oo. Tamang tama ka dyan bro ;D
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sa raon nakabili ako ng14gauge na P15/m.kelengan ka rin lumibot tska makihaggle kasi prepresyohan ka kaagad ng mga P20/m. ang maganda sa binilhan ko may sobra sobra pa kasi walang pakialam yung saleslady kahit may mga ilang centimeters na sobra sa pagsukat nya. those extra centimeters added up to at least 2 meters to the 50 meters i bought
it really pays to be nice to salesladies :D
sabagay i got 2 meters extra for my 20 meter purchase ;D
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sabagay i got 2 meters extra for my 20 meter purchase ;D
;D ;D ;D Na shuriken ng Ninja!
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;D ;D ;D Na shuriken ng Ninja!
hahaha di naman bro, baka sanay lang talaga sila sa mga humihirit ng libre. maski di ako humihingi dinagdagan. or baka na shuriken nga ;)
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it really pays to be nice to salesladies :D
and it sometimes pays extra if you're really nice to very nice salesladies! ;) ;)
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Thanks sa mga advise nagpunta na ako sa Raon kahapon. I got 1 roll (100meters) of #14 for Php 1,200... Sobrang dami willing to sell na yung sobra mga nasa 50m sa presyong kaibigan hehe. :-) PM na lang. :P
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Thanks sa mga advise nagpunta na ako sa Raon kahapon. I got 1 roll (100meters) of #14 for Php 1,200... Sobrang dami willing to sell na yung sobra mga nasa 50m sa presyong kaibigan hehe. :-) PM na lang. :P
id keep it if i were you, maliban nalang kung madalas ka sa raon ;)
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sabagay i got 2 meters extra for my 20 meter purchase ;D
kaya ka nga ninjababez brader, ikaw lang may kaya nyan hehehehehe, im sure nakuha mo din cell number ;D ;D ;D
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YGPM sir popejerico!
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@Levijones- if your system is not so revealing any adverse effect to SQ will not be noticable.
HTH... ;D
X 3 !!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tagal kong ginamit ang flat cord as speaker wire and surplus ICs sa hifi ko. Nung nagpalit ako ng amp, yun pa din ang ginamit ko. After 2 weeks, pinalitan ko ng ecosse and audience. Very very noticable ang difference maksi matagal ko nang ginamit yun cosse and audience wires sa car and nakatago ng 2 years.
But of course may mga hype pa din na mamahalin wires pero hindi maganda.
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X 3 !!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tagal kong ginamit ang flat cord as speaker wire and surplus ICs sa hifi ko. Nung nagpalit ako ng amp, yun pa din ang ginamit ko. After 2 weeks, pinalitan ko ng ecosse and audience. Very very noticable ang difference maksi matagal ko nang ginamit yun cosse and audience wires sa car and nakatago ng 2 years.
But of course may mga hype pa din na mamahalin wires pero hindi maganda.
im a believer in this, happen to use audioquest indigo plus and tara labs for my MAs and certainly the SQ is way way better than when I was using the typical clear insulated speaker cable.
on the other hand, i was using a monster cable IC for my CD to amp connection but shifted to ctjader's diy IC, monster cable ate the dust of ctjader's IC.
its just me though and have based evertyihng on how it sounded to me ;) ;) ;)
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I'm a believer of the ghetto way. Low resistance between the passive network and the amplifier effectively shorts (or gets as close as you can get to shorting) the back-EMF from drivers, which minimizes interaction between them.
I think high end and exotic speaker wires do apply some coloration to the sound, which may or may not work to your preference (or for your system). I think it's mostly because of differences in wire inductance, capacitance and resistance. I'm a bit skeptical of other claims such skin effect, the need for cryogenic quenching, the importance of ofc, etc. The audio frequency range is pretty narrow, and imho shouldn't be that difficult to handle for something as passive as a speaker wire (granted they're of the right size). I don't doubt that high end wires can make a difference, but I think they're better used as tweaking tools (if you want to go this direction) instead of a system foundation.
I use branded cables because they look more durable, have better insulation, don't undersize the connector as much, etc. But the ones I buy are the very basic parallel stranded pair types (copper usually, though I've had silver cables).
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it would be nice to have a blind listening test on this. to see if those who claim that branded speakers wires sound better can distinguish whether a high price speaker wire is being used or a cheap but good quality generic one.
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Lahat ng dadaanan ng analog signal adds coloration. We may or may not notice it. A type of wire may or may not improve your system regardless of price. Some owners of very expensive cables are sometimes, making switches to cheaper ones. Why? Probably their system sounds better with that type or brand of cable. It just so happened that i have a few wires to spare during my car audio days. And yup, luckily, it did.
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"The simple truth is that resistance,
inductance, and capacitance (R, L, and
C) are the only cable parameters that
affect performance in the range below
radio frequencies. The signal has no
idea whether it is being transmitted
through cheap or expensive RLC. Yes,
you have to pay a little more than rock
bottom for decent plugs, shielding, insulation,
etc., to avoid reliability problems,
and you have to pay attention to
resistance in longer connections. In
basic electrical performance, however,
a nice pair of straightened-out wire
coat hangers with the ends scraped is
not a whit inferior to a $2000 gee-whiz
miracle cable. Nor is 16-gauge lamp
cord at 18¢ a foot. Ultrahigh-priced
cables are the biggest scam in consumer
electronics, and the cowardly
surrender of nearly all audio publications
to the pressures of the cable marketers
is truly depressing to behold."
i have don't have a degree in electronics but it seems to make sense.
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Lahat ng dadaanan ng analog signal adds coloration. We may or may not notice it. A type of wire may or may not improve your system regardless of price. Some owners of very expensive cables are sometimes, making switches to cheaper ones. Why? Probably their system sounds better with that type or brand of cable. It just so happened that i have a few wires to spare during my car audio days. And yup, luckily, it did.
I'd like to add that high end wires are often designed to color the sound more than basic wires, to further differentiate themselves from the plain old type. That allows them to work as tuning or tweaking tools, but that also means that you'd be matching their characteristics with your gear (plain old wires are pretty honest, and will just pass the signal largely unaltered).
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I'd like to add that high end wires are often designed to color the sound more than basic wires, to further differentiate themselves from the plain old type. That allows them to work as tuning or tweaking tools, but that also means that you'd be matching their characteristics with your gear (plain old wires are pretty honest, and will just pass the signal largely unaltered).
Different people, different opinions. If you cannot hear the difference, then it's good as you could buy better equipments on the money you save.
Sad to say :(, i could hear the difference between cables. For me, not all cables sound the same and it is not always the case that more expensive cables will sound better than cheaper ones. Synergy is still the key.
I find that most expensive cable are more neutral and transparent in their presentation. Just like an open widow when listening to music.
Well this is just me. You just need to know which are the bang for the bucks cable to buy, especially in the used market. ;D
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I'd like to add that high end wires are often designed to color the sound more than basic wires, to further differentiate themselves from the plain old type. That allows them to work as tuning or tweaking tools, but that also means that you'd be matching their characteristics with your gear (plain old wires are pretty honest, and will just pass the signal largely unaltered).
Stagea, Speaker cables are just a passive media to transfer signals from your Amp to Your Speakers. It is not true that High-end wires added coloration to sound. There are Factors why the High-end cables are expensiveand I can say "Very Good", first the purity of Copper or Silver (whatever). There are difference between 99% to 99.9999% purity. Not to mention the termination, expensive one are not cheap but they will not corrode and ensure good connections at all times ??? (sounds like a salesman?).
Signals from our Amplifiers (Music) are not like a constant voltage coming from our Electrical source. There are subtle signal that only very good cables can transmit it precisely.
If you have a Precise VOM meter, there are difference between 0 ohms and 0.0001 Ohms with respect to Audio signals. Your ears might not enough to hear it (Your Lucky).
Most of the Famous Cable manufacturer did a research and a lot of Technical studies before presenting their cables to Audio World ;D
Other than this, there are Fundamental reason why you need a High end cables. Are you going to match your US$ 5K with an ordinary OFC cable ;D????
and the...pride of ownership :'(
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Stagea, Speaker cables are just a passive media to transfer signals from your Amp to Your Speakers. It is not true that High-end wires added coloration to sound. There are Factors why the High-end cables are expensiveand I can say "Very Good", first the purity of Copper or Silver (whatever). There are difference between 99% to 99.9999% purity. Not to mention the termination, expensive one are not cheap but they will not corrode and ensure good connections at all times ??? (sounds like a salesman?).
Signals from our Amplifiers (Music) are not like a constant voltage coming from our Electrical source. There are subtle signal that only very good cables can transmit it precisely.
If you have a Precise VOM meter, there are difference between 0 ohms and 0.0001 Ohms with respect to Audio signals. Your ears might not enough to hear it (Your Lucky).
Most of the Famous Cable manufacturer did a research and a lot of Technical studies before presenting their cables to Audio World ;D
Other than this, there are Fundamental reason why you need a High end cables. Are you going to match your US$ 5K with an ordinary OFC cable ;D????
and the...pride of ownership :'(
I think you are also in the same line with him.
IMHO, the coloration may come with better or lesser transparency, better or lesser conductivity and resistance. Coloration can be for the better or worse. End results may vary. Not all expensive or cheap cables may sound good to a certain system. It's the synergy.
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Bakit nga ba hindi na uso ang passive equalizer? :D, If we all had one, or if you are unable to achieve the sonic preference you or your listening room needs, I think this is one quick fix! although, some would disagree. But imagine, if your system sounds bright just adjust the treble, midrange or bass needs a little help, it's just an arm's length away adjustment :D, and most sources cd's etc don't sound the same, may dull ang recordings lalo na pag luma na. Just a thought guys, lalo na sa mga desperados na malaki na nagagastos like me ;D.
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Dagdag kasi sa chain of signals which most of the time, contributes to the loss.
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Are you going to match your US$ 5K with an ordinary OFC cable ;D????
and the...pride of ownership :'(
Don't worry. I already did. I'm ok with it for now.
I don’t know everything about wires (or anything at that), but this is how I understand it. Please CMIIW.
When I said coloration, what I meant was that it changes the sound. By having different capacitances and inductances, runs of wires could minutely change the speaker impedance from the amp output side depending on the frequency (just like a passive network) and thus may affect frequency response. Makers always hype the low inductance of their wires, but the small improvements in inductance often have a large tradeoff in capacitance. Some wires are with capacitances over 25x that of basic ribbon cable. Multiple insulated wire braids, twisted pairs, screens/shields, thin insulators (or the use of material with high electric susceptibility), etc. raise capacitance. Despite this, it still is a very small amount (less than a uF in most 2m runs), and would only have a very subtle effect with certain amps. Amps are designed to drive reactive loads, and most would not mind this increase.
As for resistance, the difference in resistance between conductors is not only affected by the material used, but also by the length of the wire that you're running and the girth of the conductor. If it's just resistance, I guess that's easy compensate for with a larger wire or a shorter run. Not to mention that the longer conductors (and often thinner ones) in twisted and braided sets increase resistance. A higher resistance conductor may roll off the highs of a typical speaker, which can result to a warmer and more velvety sound. It can also lessen voltage bridging (therefore affecting effective damping), which can result in emphasized resonances of drivers and passive components (especially for the low freq driver - thus possibly reinforcing the lows).
Some other claims include skin effect, control of eddy currents, proximity effect, hysteresis, noise rejection, etc. Their effect is probably minimal, if even audible. Resistance rise due to skin effect has not been observed in an even remotely audible frequency range. I also believe that hysteresis does not make a big impact in speaker wires because of the low frequencies at hand and the short runs. I also have the same stand with eddy currents, especially with the small currents involved, and the short distance travelled. If proximity effect is really being used to an advantage, then why not build the wire as wide strips of conductor on top of each other (though this would increase capacitance even more).
I agree that twisted pairs or proper braiding can minimize the impact of interference, and that this can make a difference in balanced interconnects and other uses. The signal level that passes through speaker wires are pretty high voltage though (you need quite a bit of amplitude to make a difference), and the amp is very low resistance to begin with (shorting most of what gets in). It’s seems so hard to improve on that.
As for deep cryogenic treatment, nobody has even explained why DCT would work (only unproven theories so far, built to substantiate subjective results). Though the most plausible theory I’ve seen is from the reduction of internal reflections because of the largely uniform crystal structure. I’m still skeptical with the impact though.
If we are to spend so much on wires, what stops us from spending even more on the inductor/s in the passive network (if any), or the driver voice coil/s at that. These are likely the longest runs in that chain, and thus should make the biggest improvement.
I guess this is getting too long, so I’d stop for now.
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Dagdag kasi sa chain of signals which most of the time, contributes to the loss.
I agree kay Master Nelson. Malaki ang insertion loss ng most passive EQs, though some speakers have them built-in to correct frequency response.
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I agree kay Master Nelson. Malaki ang insertion loss ng most passive EQs
Kasi passive EQs are analog. The more you add gears or components sa analog stage, the more coloration and/or loss sa signal.
though some speakers have them built-in to correct frequency response.
Some call it passive comb filter. Different drivers have diff weakness. Some have good response sa upper mids but tend to peak on lower mids.
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Kasi passive EQs are analog. The more you add gears or components sa analog stage, the more coloration and/or loss sa signal.
Some call it passive comb filter. Different drivers have diff weakness. Some have good response sa upper mids but tend to peak on lower mids.
Master Nelson,
I was referring to the insertion loss in terms of wasted amp capacity lang, though you are definitely correct na may signal degradation bawat additional component. :) However, the signal quality loss is not limited to the analogue domain. Even digital components have this.
There are losses in digital data during processing. A digital EQ is not "free" because of that. If the connection to the digital EQ is in analogue, there would be quantization errors and conversion losses. Even if it stays within the digital domain, arithmetic precision of the DSP and the word length of the data that it is working with means that there would be losses. Aside from this, time-domain errors (jitter) also abound.
If the DSP will be connected using the analogue outs, the DAC portion of the processor unit will also play a role in the outcome.
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i have don't have a degree in electronics but it seems to make sense.
you do not need a degree of any kind....just open up a cheap cable, and likewise the so called expensive cables....you will find in them copper and plastic, that is all there is to this, anything else is just imagination.... ;D
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different folks, different strokes, never shall the twain meet ;D
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in my case who knows nothing about the technical terms or the build quality of these cables, binabase ko lang talaga sa naririnig ko using the same speaker, the same receiver or amplifier, the same volume level the same cd tracks the same listening room and everytime i do it, may pagkakaiba talaga eh, iniisip ko na sikolohikal lang sya kase xempre mas mahal dapat ilagay ko sa isip ko na mas maganda other wise maiinis ako sa sarili bakit ko binili ng mahal pangit naman pala
ang totoo, di sya sikolohikal para sa kaso ko kase yung mga keybols ko libre lahat wala akong ginastos sa mga yun kaya kung maganda sa pandinig ko sigurado ako maganda nga kumpara sa ibang nadinig ko. binigyan ako ng audioquest indigo plus ginamit ko sa RS1 at Onkyo receiver mas maganda definitely kesa dati kong keybol, binigyan nya ulit ako ng tara labs ginamit ko din sa RS1 at Onkyo receiver pero mas maganda sa akin yung audioquest, may binibigay ulit sya sa akin acoutics epoch zen, pag nakuha ko titingnan ko kung alin ang mas magnda sa pandinig ko at ishare ko ulit sa paraang nauunawaan ko.
siguro nga, whatever floats your boat.
by the way yung epoch zen na yun naka lagay na lang sa baul kase nag pagawa sya ng speaker keybol kay ctjader at mas nagustuhan nya yun. sa ibang tao talaga di palaging mas mahal mas maganda.
mamerang pananaw lang po para may mabasa tayo habang nag papaantok :) :) :) :)
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'round & 'round it goes...
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in my case who knows nothing about the technical terms or the build quality of these cables, binabase ko lang talaga sa naririnig ko using the same speaker, the same receiver or amplifier, the same volume level the same cd tracks the same listening room and everytime i do it, may pagkakaiba talaga eh, iniisip ko na sikolohikal lang sya kase xempre mas mahal dapat ilagay ko sa isip ko na mas maganda other wise maiinis ako sa sarili bakit ko binili ng mahal pangit naman pala
ang totoo, di sya sikolohikal para sa kaso ko kase yung mga keybols ko libre lahat wala akong ginastos sa mga yun kaya kung maganda sa pandinig ko sigurado ako maganda nga kumpara sa ibang nadinig ko. binigyan ako ng audioquest indigo plus ginamit ko sa RS1 at Onkyo receiver mas maganda definitely kesa dati kong keybol, binigyan nya ulit ako ng tara labs ginamit ko din sa RS1 at Onkyo receiver pero mas maganda sa akin yung audioquest, may binibigay ulit sya sa akin acoutics epoch zen, pag nakuha ko titingnan ko kung alin ang mas magnda sa pandinig ko at ishare ko ulit sa paraang nauunawaan ko.
siguro nga, whatever floats your boat.
by the way yung epoch zen na yun naka lagay na lang sa baul kase nag pagawa sya ng speaker keybol kay ctjader at mas nagustuhan nya yun. sa ibang tao talaga di palaging mas mahal mas maganda.
mamerang pananaw lang po para may mabasa tayo habang nag papaantok :) :) :) :)
amen, fr. Peep :)
at the end of the day, ikaw ang makikinig sa music etc. na nanggagaling sa audio/ht mo. ikaw ang masisiyahan o maiinis. pero mas ok pag libre ;D
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amen, fr. Peep :)
at the end of the day, ikaw ang makikinig sa music etc. na nanggagaling sa audio/ht mo. ikaw ang masisiyahan o maiinis. pero mas ok pag libre ;D
+100000000000000
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Help naman guys.
Kakabili ko lang ng Samsung HTZ-220 at pansin ko ang ikli ng wires niya for the rear speakers compared sa HTZ-210.
- Saan ba ako makakabili ng extension wire for this? May specific bang wire or generic lang?
- Pansin ko rin yung HTZ-210 pwede tanggalin yung wire sa likod ng speaker (naka-clip lang) pero dito sa HTZ-220 nakakabit mismo so pano lalagyan ng wire extension puputulin ba?
Thanks in advance guys!
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Dont cut, it would void the warranty. You can add wire from the other end. If the other end has a jack. You need to buy the female and male version of that jack and make and extension cable.
Help naman guys.
Kakabili ko lang ng Samsung HTZ-220 at pansin ko ang ikli ng wires niya for the rear speakers compared sa HTZ-210.
- Saan ba ako makakabili ng extension wire for this? May specific bang wire or generic lang?
- Pansin ko rin yung HTZ-210 pwede tanggalin yung wire sa likod ng speaker (naka-clip lang) pero dito sa HTZ-220 nakakabit mismo so pano lalagyan ng wire extension puputulin ba?
Thanks in advance guys!
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^Saan po ba nakakabili nung pangconnect at ng wires? Thanks!
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^Sa Gonzalo Puyat St, Quiapo, aka Raon. Best to bring 1 speaker with connector for reference.
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Thanks dude! :)
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Check sa ACE muna baka meron, if thats closer to you.
^Sa Gonzalo Puyat St, Quiapo, aka Raon. Best to bring 1 speaker with connector for reference.
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Can I use telephone wire for my speaker cable? We have a lot of PT&T telephone wires lying around because we had our landline connection removed some time ago. Some are rolled up in the attic, while some were used as very nice clothes lines ("sampayan").
Copper din ang laman, pero imbes na strands ay solid yung wires sa loob ng insulator. Sa tingin ko eh gauge 14 or 16 or 18 yung equivalent thickness niya. :)
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Can I use telephone wire for my speaker cable? We have a lot of PT&T telephone wires lying around because we had our landline connection removed some time ago. Some are rolled up in the attic, while some were used as very nice clothes lines ("sampayan").
Copper din ang laman, pero imbes na strands ay solid yung wires sa loob ng insulator. Sa tingin ko eh gauge 14 or 16 or 18 yung equivalent thickness niya. :)
Please try it out and tell us what you think. I believe that clothes lines are pretty good speaker wires. No harm. :) :) :)
At the very least, they will probably be equal to or better than a lot of the HTIB speaker wires. ;D
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during the days of zipcord lampcords no branded speaker wires, i tried wires for electrical connection, philflex yata brand. thick solidcore and hard to bend. short-lengths lang over a meter/side. ok naman.
i believe audioquest had some models that used solidcore wires. recommended for short runs only.
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Streetsmart, I was actually hoping that somebody already tried this ahead of me, and can spare me the trouble of experimenting ;D If merely equal to or just slightly better than HTiB speaker wires, I'd rather not go through the trouble.
Ojofool, yup same thing, "thick solid core and hard to bend." If it's recommended for short runs only, it sounds like a long shot coz my surrounds require 16 feet of cabling each. :D
Thanks gentlemen for the replies.
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Problema lang sa solid wires i think is termination. Baka hindi maganda ang lapat ng solid wire sa speaker terminal. Hence, poor contact.
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Can I use telephone wire for my speaker cable? We have a lot of PT&T telephone wires lying around because we had our landline connection removed some time ago. Some are rolled up in the attic, while some were used as very nice clothes lines ("sampayan").
Copper din ang laman, pero imbes na strands ay solid yung wires sa loob ng insulator. Sa tingin ko eh gauge 14 or 16 or 18 yung equivalent thickness niya. :)
gauge 26 yan...try mo then tell us what you think... ;D
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Problema lang sa solid wires i think is termination. Baka hindi maganda ang lapat ng solid wire sa speaker terminal. Hence, poor contact.
solid wires have the advantage that the strands do not become frayed, termination is actually easier, you can "solder tin" the ends to prevent the exposed copper from becoming tarnished with time..
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solid wires have the advantage that the strands do not become frayed, termination is actually easier, you can "solder tin" the ends to prevent the exposed copper from becoming tarnished with time..
Yun nga lang sir, how do you plug it sa speaker terminal...?
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mga sir advice lang po,especially for wharfedale diamond 9.5,14awg is enough for dat..normally 12awg ginagmit na sya sa mga malalaking speakers like ref. series na mga spekears. if ur using a diamond 9.5, give ur self a time to listen and have a look for diamond 10 series naman po...mas magnda un frequency response nya kesa sa diamond 9.5,by d way sir how did it cost u for the diamond 9.5?thanks po
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Yun nga lang sir, how do you plug it sa speaker terminal...?
if you are using this 5-way binging post, this should be easy, you can even form the end to resemble a ring lug and then screw it down the binding post.
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Can I use telephone wire for my speaker cable? We have a lot of PT&T telephone wires lying around because we had our landline connection removed some time ago. Some are rolled up in the attic, while some were used as very nice clothes lines ("sampayan").
Copper din ang laman, pero imbes na strands ay solid yung wires sa loob ng insulator. Sa tingin ko eh gauge 14 or 16 or 18 yung equivalent thickness niya. :)
Hi
Please let us know also as what type of wire you'll compare the telephone wire with! :) Goodluck! :)
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^^ Naka HTiB wires ako ngayon eh. Gusto ko mag upgrade ng wires (kasabay na rin upgrade to AVR from HTiB receiver). Balak ko sana bumili sa Raon. Pero nakita ko itong telephone wires, so tinanong ko muna mga experts, baka pwede ;D Mukang walang definitive answer, at kailangan pa mag experiment. Ayoko na mahirapan so malamang bumili na lang ako ng totoong speaker wires hehe.
Sir TonyT, salamat po for your inputs. :) Sir Nelson, thanks too. :)
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Share ko lang mga gurus and aking DIY Bi-wires
Since wala sa budget ko ang mga mamahaling branded wires, I made my own using Gauge 16 wires bought at ACE for P29.75 per meter.
My speakers are Wharfdale Diamond 8.3 floorstanders. Since pwede for bi-wire, I made my own bi-wire lng at tinirintas with the help of misis hehe.
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i205/MaricelBolang/DSC09964.jpg)
The sound improved a lot. I can hear more detailed highs (more instruments) and a tighter bass. I'm using an Onkyo TX-SR507 amp by the way at 6 ohms only so its only about 100 watts per ch.
;D
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Any feedback on Belden Studio 814 or 718EX? Thanks.
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Share ko lang mga gurus and aking DIY Bi-wires
Since wala sa budget ko ang mga mamahaling branded wires, I made my own using Gauge 16 wires bought at ACE for P29.75 per meter.
My speakers are Wharfdale Diamond 8.3 floorstanders. Since pwede for bi-wire, I made my own bi-wire lng at tinirintas with the help of misis hehe.
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i205/MaricelBolang/DSC09964.jpg)
The sound improved a lot. I can hear more detailed highs (more instruments) and a tighter bass. I'm using an Onkyo TX-SR507 amp by the way at 6 ohms only so its only about 100 watts per ch.
;D
Very Nice and Congratz!
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Share ko lang mga gurus and aking DIY Bi-wires
Since wala sa budget ko ang mga mamahaling branded wires, I made my own using Gauge 16 wires bought at ACE for P29.75 per meter.
My speakers are Wharfdale Diamond 8.3 floorstanders. Since pwede for bi-wire, I made my own bi-wire lng at tinirintas with the help of misis hehe.
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i205/MaricelBolang/DSC09964.jpg)
The sound improved a lot. I can hear more detailed highs (more instruments) and a tighter bass. I'm using an Onkyo TX-SR507 amp by the way at 6 ohms only so its only about 100 watts per ch.
;D
One of the improvement when you did this is the removal of the speaker jumpers in the chain. ;D
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Share ko lang mga gurus and aking DIY Bi-wires
Since wala sa budget ko ang mga mamahaling branded wires, I made my own using Gauge 16 wires bought at ACE for P29.75 per meter.
My speakers are Wharfdale Diamond 8.3 floorstanders. Since pwede for bi-wire, I made my own bi-wire lng at tinirintas with the help of misis hehe.
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i205/MaricelBolang/DSC09964.jpg)
The sound improved a lot. I can hear more detailed highs (more instruments) and a tighter bass. I'm using an Onkyo TX-SR507 amp by the way at 6 ohms only so its only about 100 watts per ch.
;D
Good job to the Mrs!
Great looking wires!
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Thanks mga guys!
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share ko lang din hehe DIY 12ga bi-wire pina braid ko sa sis ko hehehe
di pa tapos wala pa ko terminations n shrink tubes. san po ba meron shrink tubes?
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6095/06222010002.jpg)
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Sa deeco may shrinkable tubes.
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bro nelson san ba yung deeco?
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Nakup. Electronics store yun. Dito ako sa ever commonwealth bumibili. Sa Alexan meron din ata or any electronic parts store.
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bro nelson meron ba sa ibang areas say makati or ortigas?
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Kahit Ace Hardware meron shrink tubes, pero isang size lang (about 1"), isang kulay lang (black), at per bag siya (about 5 or 6', cut into 1' strips).
Meron Deeco sa:
South Alabang (UGF 113-131 South Station, Market Bldg, Alabang, Zapote Rd - 8592218)
Cavite (Aguinaldo Highway, Pala-Pala, Dasmarinas, Cavite - (048)4163530)
Not sure kung updated pa itong cutout ad ko. Tawagan mo na lang muna sir.
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bro nelson meron ba sa ibang areas say makati or ortigas?
bro closest to that area is is farmers market sa cubao
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bros simonzaide and paolorenzo thanks for the info! :D
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share ko lang finished DIY braided biwire hehe :D
nakapabili din ako ng shrink tubes
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4339/dsc08894h.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/dsc08894h.jpg/)
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nice DIY proj...kulang na lang sir ung Plastic holder/separtator ng mga Plugs mo para iwas short ckt.
Guys...do you know where we could source out that plastic holder/separator of the banna plugs?
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nice DIY proj...kulang na lang sir ung Plastic holder/separtator ng mga Plugs mo para iwas short ckt.
Guys...do you know where we could source out that plastic holder/separator of the banna plugs?
What does it look llike? May pics ka?
Nice KT.
Expandable sleeves sana nakahabol for added protection sa wires. ;)
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Where did you get your shrink tubes?Especially the red ones?
share ko lang finished DIY braided biwire hehe :D
nakapabili din ako ng shrink tubes
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4339/dsc08894h.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/dsc08894h.jpg/)
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bro ceev n nelson tnx!
Onga may nabibili ba yung parang may plastic separator lang?
Bro nelson pwede naman ihabol yung mesh ba sabi mo?
Bro joey napabili ko lang sa friend ko sa deeco cavite daw.
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share ko lang finished DIY braided biwire hehe :D
nakapabili din ako ng shrink tubes
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4339/dsc08894h.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/dsc08894h.jpg/)
Ang ganda bro! Upgrade nga din ako to 12 GA.
I think Philip Chang AKA anya618 is selling copper banana plugs.
Check out his thread at the DVD merchants section
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share ko lang finished DIY braided biwire hehe :D
nakapabili din ako ng shrink tubes
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4339/dsc08894h.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/dsc08894h.jpg/)
Congrats! Napansin ko lang dito yung Bass improved and a little bit tamed your Highs right?
DIY rules.
By the way, merong transparent na Shrinkable tubes sa DEECO.
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tnx bros!
Bro carlito yup nakita ko din yung may monoprice banana with separator pero yung spacing 3/4" eh. Sakin 1" apart yung butas ng terminals.
Bro odyopayl actually di ko pa natry hehe gamit ko kasi sa audio yung xindak biwires. Post ko dito findings pag natry ko.
Yung shrink tubes pinabili ko lang kasi bro n yun lang daw meron eh
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my diy speaker cables:
http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/Low-Inductance-DIY-Speaker-Cables/
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z21/blackmoly_photos/DSCF1075-1.jpg)
for my diy gainclone amp + diy BS
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z21/blackmoly_photos/Pic4176.jpg)
im using 16awg stranded silver conductors (salvaged ;D) with cheapo banana plugs.
temporarily using black shrinkable tubes, will replace with colored once napasyal sa raon :)
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bro blackmoly very nice cables!
Where did you get the bananas with separators? How many inches from tips?
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bro kt
madami sa raon bro, got mine from smg electronics@ 70/ pc (140 a pair) or meron din sa ibang store like mars electronics , hanap ka na lang ng pinakamura :)
around 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" yung haba ng plugs.
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do they sell banana plugs plastic separator only?
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do they sell banana plugs plastic separator only?
haven't seen one and i didn't ask the saleslady ;D
nga pala sa mars electronics kaharap lang ng deeco raon madaming banana plug brands like monster etc. on display...
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Thanks sir....
@kt...sorry sir sa OT :)
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bro blackmoly i meant yung sa tips mismo ng banana plug going terminals para malaman ko yung spacing nila.
Tnx ;D
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bro blackmoly i meant yung sa tips mismo ng banana plug going terminals para malaman ko yung spacing nila.
Tnx ;D
;D
i'll measure bro pag uwi ko, nasa work kasi ako :)
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;D
i'll measure bro pag uwi ko, nasa work kasi ako :)
nice tnx bro! ;D
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Where can you get a gauge 14 wire na single lang? Most of the speaker wires kasi na binebenta sa raon yung double strand na. I mean isa lang yung wire pero dalawa na yung dulo niya for the positive and negative terminal. Gusto ko din sana gawin yung ginagawa niyo na braided kaya nagahahanap ako ng single strand. Nagtanong na ako sa handyman at ace pero wala silang gauge 14. Puro maninipis lang yung meron sila.
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Where can you get a gauge 14 wire na single lang? Most of the speaker wires kasi na binebenta sa raon yung double strand na. I mean isa lang yung wire pero dalawa na yung dulo niya for the positive and negative terminal. Gusto ko din sana gawin yung ginagawa niyo na braided kaya nagahahanap ako ng single strand. Nagtanong na ako sa handyman at ace pero wala silang gauge 14. Puro maninipis lang yung meron sila.
bro NEIL call 374 8668 to 71 baka meron sila gauge 14.good WEST AVE. area good luck.
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bro NEIL call 374 8668 to 71 baka meron sila gauge 14.good WEST AVE. area good luck.
Thank you sir Rod. ;D Tawagan ko to maya. Wag sana masiyado expensive. :)
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bro gunslinger yung sakin hiniwalay ko lang din hehe :D
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bro gunslinger yung sakin hiniwalay ko lang din hehe :D
Ganda nga nung sayo sir eh. Kaya na-inspire ako.Tsaka gusto ko din white and braided. Hirap kasi iwasan na walang exposed wires sa set-up lalo na pag hindi talaga siya designed na HT room at walang wall panels to hide it. Mas presentable siya tignan pag braided and it adds character dun sa overall effect ng set-up. Unlike pag plain wire na nagiging clutter ang itsura and could reflect neglected cable management. ;D
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bro gunslinger tnx bro! napag experimentahan ko lang din na inspire sa mga nagpost dito. pero sis ko ang nag braid nun hahaha ako lang nag shrink tubes n terminations hehe
naku pag nakita mo yung setup ko ang kalat talaga pag madami ng cables nga...buti ako natakpan ng rack sa likod hahaha :D
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Where can you get a gauge 14 wire na single lang? Most of the speaker wires kasi na binebenta sa raon yung double strand na. I mean isa lang yung wire pero dalawa na yung dulo niya for the positive and negative terminal. Gusto ko din sana gawin yung ginagawa niyo na braided kaya nagahahanap ako ng single strand. Nagtanong na ako sa handyman at ace pero wala silang gauge 14. Puro maninipis lang yung meron sila.
auto supply
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have anyone of you tried using car audio interconnects and speaker wires? (stinger, sinuslive or knukonceptz)?
any noticeable difference in sound?
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Where can you get a gauge 14 wire na single lang? Most of the speaker wires kasi na binebenta sa raon yung double strand na. I mean isa lang yung wire pero dalawa na yung dulo niya for the positive and negative terminal. Gusto ko din sana gawin yung ginagawa niyo na braided kaya nagahahanap ako ng single strand. Nagtanong na ako sa handyman at ace pero wala silang gauge 14. Puro maninipis lang yung meron sila.
bro gunslinger yung sakin hiniwalay ko lang din hehe :D
Meron akong stock nito. From #12 to #18. P or text nyo ako. OEM wires ang sa akin. Di makapal ang balat pero siksik sa copper. Same quality talaga ng OEM. I can give it at presyong puhunan to whoever ang pwedeng mag-braid ng 1 set for me. Hehe!
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my diy speaker cables:
http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/Low-Inductance-DIY-Speaker-Cables/
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z21/blackmoly_photos/DSCF1075-1.jpg)
for my diy gainclone amp + diy BS
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z21/blackmoly_photos/Pic4176.jpg)
im using 16awg stranded silver conductors (salvaged ;D) with cheapo banana plugs.
temporarily using black shrinkable tubes, will replace with colored once napasyal sa raon :)
Ganda Bro ;)
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my diy speaker cables:
http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/Low-Inductance-DIY-Speaker-Cables/
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z21/blackmoly_photos/DSCF1075-1.jpg)
for my diy gainclone amp + diy BS
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z21/blackmoly_photos/Pic4176.jpg)
im using 16awg stranded silver conductors (salvaged ;D) with cheapo banana plugs.
temporarily using black shrinkable tubes, will replace with colored once napasyal sa raon :)
Wow! Ganda.. :o
Since your speaker is Biwirable, I suggest to try this connnection. There's a big difference in SQ...just MHO ;D
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Mga gurus,
Quick question lang po regarding speaker wires.. Saan po kaya ako makakahanap ng wire na yung kabila is for RCA para sa amp ko. then yung other end naman is normal wire speaker sya. help naman po..
Thanks in Advance ;D
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Mga gurus,
Quick question lang po regarding speaker wires.. Saan po kaya ako makakahanap ng wire na yung kabila is for RCA para sa amp ko. then yung other end naman is normal wire speaker sya. help naman po..
Thanks in Advance ;D
bro i think it wont be possible to do this..
if im not mistaken the rca to speaker type of connector is for active speakers (self amplified) if your going to use a passive speaker i think an RCA out wont be able to power the speaker
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Mga gurus,
Quick question lang po regarding speaker wires.. Saan po kaya ako makakahanap ng wire na yung kabila is for RCA para sa amp ko. then yung other end naman is normal wire speaker sya. help naman po..
Thanks in Advance ;D
like what simonzaide said baka di gumana. you can DIY RCA to 2wire negative and postive. pero san mo gagamitin? baka pre-out lang yan, di tutunog ;D
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Salamat sir ninjababez at sir simonzaide sa reply.. Kasi po yung subs ko na dalawa JBL GT5 nkakabit po sa Konzert AV502 currently.. try ko po sana ilagay dun sa Super Bass(RCA) nya kung pwede po mapatunog.. possible po kaya un?.
PS. Yung SuperBass po nya na RCA is negative at positive po..
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Salamat sir ninjababez at sir simonzaide sa reply.. Kasi po yung subs ko na dalawa JBL GT5 nkakabit po sa Konzert AV502 currently.. try ko po sana ilagay dun sa Super Bass(RCA) nya kung pwede po mapatunog.. possible po kaya un?.
PS. Yung SuperBass po nya na RCA is negative at positive po..
not really that familiar with the amp youre using, try posting here (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,15327.360/topicseen.html)
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Ok po Sir Ninja try ko po picturan.. parang kelangan ata ng DIY amp ni sir pilyo yung gusto ko mangyari para gumana sya.. ;D;D;D
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hey guys. decided to just ask here instead of making a new thread.
my samsung home theater broke. this kind.
(http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m7KSufveIyXvY4mUxXLY_JQ.jpg)
any idea where I can buy replacements locally
?
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Baka may old pc psu ka maybe you can DIY. Gumawa ako dati ng ganyan para sa samsung ng pamangkin ko. Yung terminal block papuntang mobo tinabas ko lang.
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Where can you get a gauge 14 wire na single lang?
auto supply shops, ask for the japanese made wires, huwag china...
i use #11 instrumentation cables with shields, i got it from Gerry Morales sa facebook....he also has a lot of heavy duty power cables...
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hey guys. decided to just ask here instead of making a new thread.
my samsung home theater broke. this kind.
(http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m7KSufveIyXvY4mUxXLY_JQ.jpg)
any idea where I can buy replacements locally
?
Terminals ba ang kailangan niya sir?
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hey guys. decided to just ask here instead of making a new thread.
my samsung home theater broke. this kind.
(http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m7KSufveIyXvY4mUxXLY_JQ.jpg)
any idea where I can buy replacements locally
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Do you need the speaker wires? or the unit (HTIB)? If you need the wires I may still have 1pair left & will look for it if you really need it badly?
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sir,
ask lang about sa belden 8442 22awg na wire, oks lang ba na gamitin speaker wire to?
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sir,
ask lang about sa belden 8442 22awg na wire, oks lang ba na gamitin speaker wire to?
Sir anong speaker mo ito gagamitin at amp..?
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sir audiojunkie, sa sakura amp 225t + bookshelf jbl studio..
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Braid mo para kumapal yun wire.
Sent from my ASUS_Z012D using Tapatalk
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sir audiojunkie, sa sakura amp 225t + bookshelf jbl studio..
Yes, I agree with konsehal Nelson ... Medyo undersized an wire braided 2 wires o double run to increase wire diameter..
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ok thanks po mga sir
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sir,
ask lang about sa belden 8442 22awg na wire, oks lang ba na gamitin speaker wire to?
sir audiojunkie, sa sakura amp 225t + bookshelf jbl studio..
kung 8 ohms ang JBLs mo tapos 12ft or less ang wire length pwedeng-pwede na yan as is.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
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salamat sir mackernz..
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Hi guys ok lang ba to use solid copper conductors for speaker use? Saw mga fire alarm cables like these:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/86f9b45de6f98b6856cc2bbe4c89e4cb.png)
14 awg ito
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Hi guys ok lang ba to use solid copper conductors for speaker use? Saw mga fire alarm cables like these:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/86f9b45de6f98b6856cc2bbe4c89e4cb.png)
14 awg ito
Yup, solid conductors can be used as long as you manage the mechanical strain on the terminals.
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Yup, solid conductors can be used as long as you manage the mechanical strain on the terminals.
Yeah plus proper termination.
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me napuntahan akong malaking audiophile, battery cable ang ginamit sa speakers....
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14awg solid conductors will be firm/rigid. But they'll be more than capable as speaker wires. Best with terminations which are soldered or screwed. You can't use deadbolt type plugs. Crimping may also make it difficult to keep the terminals to stay on, and may strain your crimping tool.
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thanks for the inputs. Medyo firm and rigid nga for solid copper as I tried holding them at a hardware store. Naging curious kasi because I googled and saw a japanese site using fire alarm cables for audio:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170915/a2524cfb2d90a44174458582d4049019.png)
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looks like a balanced interconnect, not a speaker wire.