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Home Theater => Sources => HTPCs => Topic started by: Stagea on Oct 27, 2012 at 07:58 PM
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We migrated to Windows 8 Professional / Enterprise yesterday. The release product is significantly more complete than all of the prior test versions. I had huge apprehensions for this OS because the previews lacked many important features. The Oct 26 release product added back most of the functionality of Windows 7 / Vista at a much lower price. What's great is that the Media Pack can be had at no cost for those with Windows 8 Pro (until sometime in January).
The user interface takes some getting used to, as it's obviously designed to bridge the gap between a pointer-driven environment and a touch-based one. Microsoft clearly wants to drive Windows 8 adoption with their very competitive upgrade pricing. I'm thinking that this is to put more pressure on software and hardware developers to release products that take advantage of the Metro UI. Microsoft is probably planning to migrate to an even more touch-centric OS that is an evolution of this (perhaps in the near future).
Because of the hybrid nature of Windows 8, Win8-capable touch mouse devices seem like the best interface option for most applications. You get mouse functionality and control with the ability to take advantage of gestures without lifting your hand off the mouse (except maybe for pinch gestures, which work better on larger surfaces). Both Microsoft and Logitech have such devices available.
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Hi! I was thinking of upgrading to WIN 8 last night but a little hesitant baka some of my programs, games and hardware drivers will not work properly.
But do you think it will run smoothly on normal laptops?
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i tried it 2days nahihirapan ako hehe..
ganda ng GUI
pero better if touchscreen ung gamit ko...
but for we'll get used to it in the future but not at the moment
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Hi! I was thinking of upgrading to WIN 8 last night but a little hesitant baka some of my programs, games and hardware drivers will not work properly.
But do you think it will run smoothly on normal laptops?
If the laptop runs 7 or Vista just fine, it'd likely run Windows 8 without a problem. As long as you can find suitable drivers for your hardware, you should be okay (Windows 7/Vista drivers often work if Windows 8 drivers are unavailable). Windows 8 takes up less resources than comparable versions of Windows 7 or Vista because it's been optimized for use with lower-power portable devices.
I'd like to point out that Nvidia Geforce drivers for Windows 8 still suffer from terrible graphics anomalies (depending on GPU model). Using the Microsoft-supplied driver resolves the issue, but prevents you from getting some features and optimizations that come with the Nvidia driver. Macs still do not officially support Windows 8, but the latest version of Bootcamp (designed for Windows 7) seem to handle Windows 8 just fine.
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i tried it 2days nahihirapan ako hehe..
ganda ng GUI
pero better if touchscreen ung gamit ko...
but for we'll get used to it in the future but not at the moment
You can use Start8 if you miss the Start Menu. :)
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ (http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/)
It's $5 well-spent. :)
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Parang gus2 ko din sana mag upgrade dahil sa cheap offer if u purchased a win7 pc previously pero iniisip ko kung pede magdual boot para pwede ko itry lng muna windows 8 and switch back to win7 pag di ko nagustuhan
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Parang gus2 ko din sana mag upgrade dahil sa cheap offer if u purchased a win7 pc previously pero iniisip ko kung pede magdual boot para pwede ko itry lng muna windows 8 and switch back to win7 pag di ko nagustuhan
You can setup your PC for dual-boot, then upgrade one OS installation. :)
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You can use Start8 if you miss the Start Menu. :)
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ (http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/)
It's $5 well-spent. :)
hehe... hindi ko naman namiss
sa sobrang ganda kasi ng gui sarap itouch haha
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For those into portables, the ATIV lineup looks nice:
http://www.samsung.com/ph/ativ/ (http://www.samsung.com/ph/ativ/)
(http://www.samsung.com/ph/ativ/images/main/img_main.png)
They have both IA and ARM models.
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hehe... hindi ko naman namiss
sa sobrang ganda kasi ng gui sarap itouch haha
basta maganda gusto mo galawin >:D
...subscribing....
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My current desktop is already 5.5 years old running on Vista, managed to get by the Windows 7 era very reliably and stably (despite Vista's notorious slow boot up) but Im now certainly looking forward to getting a new PC with pre-installed Windows 8 and a touchscreen monitor. I think I havent been as excited about a Microsoft OS since Windows 95 (we even bought expensive W95 ref book then and it was crazy pandemonium in Tokyo ;D)
Touchscreen operations really has grown on me - thanks to Apple gadgets - that is to think I have always been a total OC in terms of monitor clarity and cleanliness that I always scolded my daughter for touching my PC screen. ;D But it's indeed going to be touchscreen monitor era hereon and I hope they would be able to commercialize soon that 10 finger-sensitive screens that a Japanese company showcased in a recent electronics show in Japan. Has anyone actually tried that bezel which you attach to a regular monitor and converts it to touchscreen?
Oh yeah, Im pretty interested about Window 8 tablet as well despite being very satisfied with iOS. :)
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My current desktop is already 5.5 years old running on Vista, managed to get by the Windows 7 era very reliably and stably (despite Vista's notorious slow boot up) but Im now certainly looking forward to getting a new PC with pre-installed Windows 8 and a touchscreen monitor. I think I havent been as excited about a Microsoft OS since Windows 95 (we even bought expensive W95 ref book then and it was crazy pandemonium in Tokyo ;D)
Touchscreen operations really has grown on me - thanks to Apple gadgets - that is to think I have always been a total OC in terms of monitor clarity and cleanliness that I always scolded my daughter for touching my PC screen. ;D But it's indeed going to be touchscreen monitor era hereon and I hope they would be able to commercialize soon that 10 finger-sensitive screens that a Japanese company showcased in a recent electronics show in Japan. Has anyone actually tried that bezel which you attach to a regular monitor and converts it to touchscreen?
Oh yeah, Im pretty interested about Window 8 tablet as well despite being very satisfied with iOS. :)
The old monitor touch add-ons that I've tried had poor sensitivity (you have to press pretty hard for them to work). I'm not sure how well the new ones do.
There are now a lot of touch-enabled AIO desktops, and one of them may suit your needs. :) Touch can get quite expensive with larger screens, however.
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no experience yet for desktop use and looking at online videos, i don't think i'll be a fan of the metro ui. it doesn't help that i don't like touch screen devices either (due to sweaty hands)
for htpc use though, i think windows 8 + kinect on a big display might be a nice combo
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Upgraded both mine and my kids' PCs yesterday. Very easy process as an upgrade ($39.99) to Win 7.
Had both done and ready to go in less than half a day (including the 2-hour download time).
Our family likes it. The boot speed is very fast and along with the other OS features added, it is definitely worth the upgrade price.
As for the UI, the old desktop is one click away, so I don't know what the fuss is. (Although I have been using a Lumia 900 for about 6 months). The Metro UI gives a nice content driven experience and you can easily just go to your desktop and get to work as usual.
My 2 cents ;)
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As for the UI, the old desktop is one click away, so I don't know what the fuss is. (Although I have been using a Lumia 900 for about 6 months). The Metro UI gives a nice content driven experience and you can easily just go to your desktop and get to work as usual.
I think the desktop is not the problem, it's the lack of the traditional Start menu. One can easily add it back for $5 with Start8, however.
Did you take advantage of the free media pack? Media Center looks terrible, as it clearly is derived from the Windows 7 version. It even puts a build number indication on the bottom right of the desktop.
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The Asus Vivobook X202E is coming at a very affordable price. It might be the least expensive touch notebook for the year (starting at 20,995 with Windows 8 preinstalled).
(http://www.yugatech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/asus-vivobook-s200.jpg)
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Just got my win 8 promo code its to time to upgrade.
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Just got my win 8 promo code its to time to upgrade.
touchscreen ba pj mo? :P
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touchscreen ba pj mo? :P
Yung HTPC na isesetup ko may feature na remote go for android and isos kaya wag ka na kokontra. Saktong sakto ang windows 8. >:D >:D >:D
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touchscreen ba pj mo? :P
hahaha.... dinale ka elms
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hahaha.... dinale ka elms
Ou nga niyari ako yung new asus board kasi may remote go na un can access your desktop via android and IOS like your accessing your desktop best for HTPC and win 8. >:D >:D
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/asusrtg1.png)
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touchscreen ba pj mo? :P
Natawa ako dito he he he... pano pag lumapit ka sa screen para i touch yung buttons eh di mahaharangan mo yung ilaw di gagana he he he
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Natawa ako dito he he he... pano pag lumapit ka sa screen para i touch yung buttons eh di mahaharangan mo yung ilaw di gagana he he he
Loko nga yan\g si joko hahaha
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Compatible na ba sa mga HTPC softwares ang Windows 8 like PowerDVD, Splash Pro and XMBC?
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Compatible na ba sa mga HTPC softwares ang Windows 8 like PowerDVD, Splash Pro and XMBC?
Most of them should work. Like Windows 7, it's largely Vista-based underneath.
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Most of them should work. Like Windows 7, it's largely Vista-based underneath.
Thanks idol! :)
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Thanks idol! :)
Sis louie you should also check on their site if may yung supported na nila ung windows 8. >:D >:D
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Sis louie you should also check on their site if may yung supported na nila ung windows 8. >:D >:D
Anong ichecheck ko sis?
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Anong ichecheck ko sis?
Kung suppoter nung sofware na gagamitin ang windows 8. Ussualy naman kasi nakalagay sa site ng software yan. >:D >:D
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Anong ichecheck ko sis?
Magdala ka nang red ballpen pang check ha..
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Magdala ka nang red ballpen pang check ha..
hihi >:D >:D
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HAven't tried the RTM versions yet but will get to do so this weekend. :)
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The Asus Vivobook X202E is coming at a very affordable price. It might be the least expensive touch notebook for the year (starting at 20,995 with Windows 8 preinstalled).
(http://www.yugatech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/asus-vivobook-s200.jpg)
Idol Grand Prize winner... I saw this kanina sa Greenhills and they're selling it around 18.5K cash. I also saw the S400 with Intel i5 and HD 4000. Would this be enough to be used for bluray 3D playback as HTPC? Thanks idol :)
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Idol Grand Prize winner... I saw this kanina sa Greenhills and they're selling it around 18.5K cash. I also saw the S400 with Intel i5 and HD 4000. Would this be enough to be used for bluray 3D playback as HTPC? Thanks idol :)
That should be enough to play ISO 3D/2D lalo na i5 na siya. Is the i5 quadcore? ^-^ ^-^
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That should be enough to play ISO 3D/2D lalo na i5 na siya. Is the i5 quadcore? ^-^ ^-^
Ayon sa Intel website eh quad core na nga ang i5 ;D
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Ayon sa Intel website eh quad core na nga ang i5 ;D
Sister as per checking hindi siya quadcore 2 cores with 4 threads lang. It's enough na din pero mas maganda pag quad lalo na pag gamit mo splash pro player. >:D >:D
Intel® Core™ i5-3317U Processor
(3M Cache, up to 2.60 GHz)
Specifications
Essentials
Status Launched
Launch Date Q2'12
Processor Number i5-3317U
# of Cores 2
# of Threads 4 Clock Speed 1.7 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 2.6 GHz
Intel® Smart Cache 3 MB
Bus/Core Ratio 17
DMI 5 GT/s
Instruction Set 64-bit
Instruction Set Extensions AVX
Embedded Options Available No
Lithography 22 nm
Max TDP 17 W
Source: http://ark.intel.com/products/65707/Intel-Core-i5-3317U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_60-GHz (http://ark.intel.com/products/65707/Intel-Core-i5-3317U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_60-GHz)
Laptop Asus Vicobook S400 Specification.
Specifications (base version)
Manufacturer ASUS
Model name VivoBook S400
CPU type Intel Core i5-3317U (Ivy Bridge)
CPU speed 1700 Mhz
Graphics Intel HD 4000
OS Windows 8
Display Size
14.1" 1366 X 768
Touch Technology
Capacitive Multi-touch
RAM 4 MB
SSD 24 GB
Hard Disk 500 GB
Battery capacity 44 (Wh)
Weight 1995gm / 70.4 oz.
Size (w/h/d mm) 338/239/20 mm
Size (w/h/d inches) 13.3/9.4/0.8
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Oh I see.
Salamat sis ;)
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Oh I see.
Salamat sis ;)
Magandaa kasi yung render ng splash pro sa motion 2 or ultra motion sa quadcore and splash pro is on the stage of developing their bluray player that same features as their splash pro. Kaya din ako nag upgrade ng HTPC to quad for the future splash bluray player. Maganda ang motion 2 for fast scene. ^-^ ^-^
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Magandaa kasi yung render ng splash pro sa motion 2 or ultra motion sa quadcore and splash pro is on the stage of developing their bluray player that same features as their splash pro. Kaya din ako nag upgrade ng HTPC to quad for the future splash bluray player. Maganda ang motion 2 for fast scene. ^-^ ^-^
Hindi ba pwedeng yung PJ na maghandle ng fast scenes sis? Parang mas ok kasi pagwala na masyadong processing na ginagawa bago pumunta ng video display...
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Hindi ba pwedeng yung PJ na maghandle ng fast scenes sis? Parang mas ok kasi pagwala na masyadong processing na ginagawa bago pumunta ng video display...
Nakita mo naman pano handle ng PJ niyo ung 120hz parang fast forward pero try mo pa din sa PJ niyo kasi yung PJ niyo naman naka 120hz yung kasing PJ ko 60hz lang kaya need ko ng motion 2 or ultra motion. So far smooth ang motion 2 or ultra motion even sa di fast scene sa splah pro with amd quad core setup ko. >:D >:D
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Nakita mo naman pano handle ng PJ niyo ung 120hz parang fast forward pero try mo pa din sa PJ niyo kasi yung PJ niyo naman naka 120hz yung kasing PJ ko 60hz lang kaya need ko ng motion 2 or ultra motion. So far smooth ang motion 2 or ultra motion even sa di fast scene sa splah pro with amd quad core setup ko. >:D >:D
Di ko pa natry yang 120hz sa pj ko.
Ano bang movies yang may super fast scenes at kailangan ng 120hz?
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Di ko pa natry yang 120hz sa pj ko.
Ano bang movies yang may super fast scenes at kailangan ng 120hz?
Flash? Ang bilis kaya ni flash... Hirap na hirap habulin nung camera...
Superman - yung scene na pinaikot nya pabalik ang earth.. Sa sobrang bilis hindi mo na makita si superman
Wahahahahahaha
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Di ko pa natry yang 120hz sa pj ko.
Ano bang movies yang may super fast scenes at kailangan ng 120hz?
Sa scene kasi kita mo yung parang nag jump sya pero sa 120hz parang yung sa babang picture. That the motion interpolation complete ung secenerio hindi siya nag jump. ^-^
(http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/images/articles/NextInterpolated.jpg)
(http://www.benq.us/images/hq/products/product_features/pjt/BEN11003_w1200.jpg)
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Elmira patulong na lang sa pag set up ng powerDVD at XMBC ha...
Binili na ni misis eh, hehehe...
Natuwa sa touchscreen ;D
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/wetcute/2012-11-26-0051.jpg)
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Elmira patulong na lang sa pag set up ng powerDVD at XMBC ha...
Binili na ni misis eh, hehehe...
Natuwa sa touchscreen ;D
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/wetcute/2012-11-26-0051.jpg)
Congrats sa new toy sige lang pag may time tiahin natin yan or kung wala turuan na lang kita remotely sanay naman tayo mag support remotely. >:D >:D >:D
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Kung ako papaliin ng laptop now with windows 8. Parang yung like ko is natratransform siya sa tablet style since touch pad na yung qindows 8.
(http://www.fujitsu.com/img/COMP/fpcap/tablet/t/Lifebook_T902_main.jpg)
>:D >:D
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Kung ako papaliin ng laptop now with windows 8. Parang yung like ko is natratransform siya sa tablet style since touch pad na yung qindows 8.
(http://www.fujitsu.com/img/COMP/fpcap/tablet/t/Lifebook_T902_main.jpg)
>:D >:D
Bagay yan para sa mga bigtime na tulad mo elms he he he.... Ano pa inaantay... kuha na..
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Bagay yan para sa mga bigtime na tulad mo elms he he he.... Ano pa inaantay... kuha na..
Haha sabi ko nga plan not to purchase since windows 8 is a touch pad OS like the android or IOS. And di ako bigtime wala nga ako two setup na audio and HT. Di nga matapos tapos ang HT room ko. >:D >:D
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Haha sabi ko nga plan not to purchase since windows 8 is a touch pad OS like the android or IOS. And di ako bigtime wala nga ako two setup na audio and HT. Di nga matapos tapos ang HT room ko. >:D >:D
So ibig mong sabihin ang bigtime si Louie dahil meron syang HT at Separate Audio? ha ha ha
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So ibig mong sabihin ang bigtime si Louie dahil meron syang HT at Separate Audio? ha ha ha
Ikaw nag sabi niyan di ako. hehehe Saka alam ko ang bigtime yung madalas mag palit ng gears. >:D >:D >:D
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Ikaw nag sabi niyan di ako. hehehe Saka alam ko ang bigtime yung madalas mag palit ng gears. >:D >:D >:D
Wow.... parang pinaparinggan mo si Louie kasi alam ko bago pa lang tube amp nya pinalitan nya na ulit.. Pati receiver, sub at speakers..
Anyway OT na tayo
Back to Windows 8...
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what happened to this thread? I thought it was "Windows 8" thread...
O.T. / Non-sense Daldalan Thread na pala, sayang :P
This is better be closed by the mods rather than to see those nonsense posts :P :P :P
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WAHAHAHAHA
WAHAHAHA >:D >:D >:D
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what happened to this thread? I thought it was "Windows 8" thread...
O.T. / Non-sense Daldalan Thread na pala, sayang :P
This is better be closed by the mods rather than to see those nonsense posts :P :P :P
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WAHAHAHAHA
WAHAHAHA >:D >:D >:D
Ha ha ha ha.....
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what happened to this thread? I thought it was "Windows 8" thread...
O.T. / Non-sense Daldalan Thread na pala, sayang :P
This is better be closed by the mods rather than to see those nonsense posts :P :P :P
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WAHAHAHAHA
WAHAHAHA >:D >:D >:D
Paki mo hahaha
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what happened to this thread? I thought it was "Windows 8" thread...
O.T. / Non-sense Daldalan Thread na pala, sayang :P
This is better be closed by the mods rather than to see those nonsense posts :P :P :P
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WAHAHAHAHA
WAHAHAHA >:D >:D >:D
parang hindi taga pdvd un ;D
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Just tweak my windows 8 for my HTPC wala na scroll sa laki ng screen so yung scroll screen applicable sya pag maliit ang screen.
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/SDC11046.jpg)
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if i upgrade my window 7 to windows 8 can i still revert back to 7 using image back up?
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if i upgrade my window 7 to windows 8 can i still revert back to 7 using image back up?
Parang fresh install ka nun brader ng windows 7 alam ko. All settings mawawala. >:D >:D
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I think i will go back to windows 7 as windows 8 can't detect the 4 core of AMD A10-5700 but other software can detect the four cores. Maybe a bug for windows 8. ^-^ ^-^
Windows 8
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/windows8.png)
CPU Z
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/cpuz.png)
ASUS Software
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/asus1-1.png)
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/asus-2.png)
^-^ ^-^
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I think i will go back to windows 7 as windows 8 can't detect the 4 core of AMD A10-5700 but other software can detect the four cores. Maybe a bug for windows 8. ^-^ ^-^
It's really just how the software sees it, and that is because of the bulldozer/piledriver architecture. The same thing is true for FX processors. Windows 8 is supposedly beneficial for these processors because it is aware of the design and schedules threads better because of this.
Here's a screen cap from an FX:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2rqlemh.png)
There might be a patch/update that would make this show differently, but Windows would still handle scheduling the same way because it generally works better this way. Windows 7 originally handled each Bulldozer module as 2 cores, and that resulted to diminished performance. Later scheduling updates allowed Windows 7 to "recognize" the design by allocating to fewer modules and maximum logical cores per module for turbo boost advantages, and spreading to multiple modules and minimum logical cores per module for parallel performance. Windows 8 goes a little further with some more scheduler optimizations. In the real world, the performance improvement has been quite small however (lack of thorough optimization from both the OS and current applications) -- the original FX patches improved Windows 7 performance by about 3%, whilst Windows 8 is about 2% faster on top of that.
(http://media.bestofmicro.com/I/B/358355/original/image027.png)
I can discuss it in detail if you want to, but the bottom line is that by seeing your APU as a 4-thread 2-core processor, Windows can split loads between the modules better (instead of taxing one side and under-utilizing the other) if you need to, and put all the load on a single module if turbo frequency or improved power consumption/thermals is desired.
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It's really just how the software sees it, and that is because of the bulldozer/piledriver architecture. The same thing is true for FX processors. Windows 8 is supposedly beneficial for these processors because it is aware of the design and schedules threads better because of this.
Here's a screen cap from an FX:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2rqlemh.png)
There might be a patch/update that would make this show differently, but Windows would still handle scheduling the same way because it generally works better this way. Windows 7 originally handled each Bulldozer module as 2 cores, and that resulted to diminished performance. Later scheduling updates allowed Windows 7 to "recognize" the design by allocating to fewer modules and maximum logical cores per module for turbo boost advantages, and spreading to multiple modules and minimum logical cores per module for parallel performance. Windows 8 goes a little further with some more scheduler optimizations. In the real world, the performance improvement has been quite small however (lack of thorough optimization from both the OS and current applications) -- the original FX patches improved Windows 7 performance by about 3%, whilst Windows 8 is about 2% faster on top of that.
(http://media.bestofmicro.com/I/B/358355/original/image027.png)
I can discuss it in detail if you want to, but the bottom line is that by seeing your APU as a 4-thread 2-core processor, Windows can split loads between the modules better (instead of taxing one side and under-utilizing the other) if you need to, and put all the load on a single module if turbo frequency or improved power consumption/thermals is desired.
Bat sa windows 7 nakikita niya 4 core and other software? Sa windows 7 naka automatic na yung sa ultra motion ng splash pro pag install so meaning 4 cores siya pero sa windows 8 hindi kasi nakikita ng 8 is 2 cores. I don't believe na 2 core lang ang AMD A10. Sa CPU z and Asus 4 cores. >:D >:D >:D
Naka default yung windows 7 no patch installed at all fresh install.
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/cpuz.png)
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/asus1-1.png)
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/asus-2.png)
The new with trinity is up to 4 core driver.
(http://photos.expertreviews.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_Expert_Reviews/dir_356/er_photo_178279_52.png)
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Bat sa windows 7 nakikita niya 4 core and other software? Sa windows 7 naka automatic na yung sa ultra motion ng splash pro pag install so meaning 4 cores siya pero sa windows 8 hindi kasi nakikita ng 8 is 2 cores. I don't believe na 2 core lang ang AMD A10. Sa CPU z and Asus 4 cores. >:D >:D >:D
I don't care how you count cores, I'm just telling you how it works and the reason why Windows 8 sees it as 2 cores. It's a part of the optimization that Microsoft implemented to efficiently use the 2 modules that you have in your APU (whether you count them as 2 or 4 cores). It is possible that they'd patch this cosmetically in the future, but it does not change how the OS allocates threads.
At the moment, Windows 8 reports core count based on how it operates (and it operates with each Bulldozer/Piledriver module as 1 core capable of handling 2 simultaneous threads as a performance optimization). CPU-Z (and your ASUS utility) display 4 cores as this aligns with how the product is sold -- these applications do not do the work of the operating system.
It just happens that Windows 8's core reporting interferes with Splash Pro's feature operation in this case. It is a manifestation of the optimization that they did, as Splash Pro is dependent on what it perceives as core count. A patch on either software (Windows 8 or Splash Pro) could re-enable Motion2 Ultra on dual-module bulldozer/piledriver designs if they're interested in doing so.
If you feel that this is a bug, you can try refreshing Windows 8's core detection by clicking and unclicking the "Number of Processors" checkbox under MSConfig's BOOT Advanced Options, and see if that works. Of course as you mentioned, you can still go back to Windows 7.
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I don't care how you count cores, I'm just telling you how it works and the reason why Windows 8 sees it as 2 cores. It's a part of the optimization that Microsoft implemented to efficiently use the 2 modules that you have in your APU (whether you count them as 2 or 4 cores). It is possible that they'd patch this cosmetically in the future, but it does not change how the OS allocates threads.
At the moment, Windows 8 reports core count based on how it operates (and it operates with each Bulldozer/Piledriver module as 1 core capable of handling 2 simultaneous threads as a performance optimization). CPU-Z (and your ASUS utility) display 4 cores as this aligns with how the product is sold -- these applications do not do the work of the operating system.
It just happens that Windows 8's core reporting interferes with Splash Pro's feature operation in this case. It is a manifestation of the optimization that they did, as Splash Pro is dependent on what it perceives as core count. A patch on either software (Windows 8 or Splash Pro) could re-enable Motion2 Ultra on dual-module bulldozer/piledriver designs if they're interested in doing so.
Yah i get you but the fact that windows 7 detect the 4 cores without any patch as i said i install fresh and no patch update. When i install the splash pro auto enable ang ultra motion not like windows 8 na di enabled yung ultra motion. SO for now ill stick with windows 7. I don't know how microsoft implemented the windows 8 with AMD driver. ;) ;)
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Yah i get you but the fact that windows 7 detect the 4 cores without any patch as i said i install fresh and no patch update. When i install the splash pro auto enable ang ultra motion not like windows 8 na di enabled yung ultra motion. SO for now ill stick with windows 7. I don't know how microsoft implemented the windows 8 with AMD driver. ;) ;)
If you feel that this is a misdetection, you can try refreshing Windows 8's core detection by clicking the "Number of Processors" checkbox under MSConfig's BOOT Advanced Options and selecting the maximum count (if you don't see 4, unclick then reboot to refresh), and see if that works. If it still shows the same, it just tells you that it's really how it works.
If you do go back to Windows 7, watch out for updates that may have the same effect. Here's one:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594)
Windows 7 without updates treat each module as 2 cores, as it is unaware of its design. This is what likely allowed your Splash Pro to see 4 physical cores. Later Windows 7 scheduler updates may cause it to see your APU the way Windows 8 does.
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If you feel that this is a misdetection, you can try refreshing Windows 8's core detection by clicking the "Number of Processors" checkbox under MSConfig's BOOT Advanced Options and selecting the maximum count (if you don't see 4, unclick then reboot to refresh), and see if that works. If it still shows the same, it just tells you that it's really how it works.
If you do go back to Windows 7, watch out for updates that may have the same effect. Here's one:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594)
I check the link but trinity is not included. I also notice on windows 7 it's faster on multi tasking than on windows 8 maybe because the cpu detection issue i observe. ^-^ ^-^
An update is available for computers that have an AMD FX, AMD Opteron 4200, AMD Opteron 6200, or AMD Bulldozer series processor installed and that are running Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2
The Hot Fix is to disable the core parking issue on the core i believe the core parking disable the core itself.
This article introduces an update for computers that are running Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2 and that have a processor from one of the following series installed:
AMD FX
AMD Opteron 4200/4300
AMD Opteron 6200/6300
AMD Opteron Bulldozer
Currently, the CPU scheduling techniques that are used by Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 are not optimized for the AMD Bulldozer module architecture. This architecture is found on AMD FX series, AMD Opteron 4200/4300 Series, and AMD Opteron 6200/6300 Series processors. Therefore, multithreaded workloads may not be optimally distributed on computers that have one of these processors installed in a lightly-threaded environment. This may result in decreased system performance for some applications.
Important The power management policy for processor core parking on your computer may prevent this update from producing the desired performance increase. To disable core parking, install the hotfix that is described in Microsoft Knowledge Base (KB) article 2646060
Hotfix information
A supported hotfix is available from Microsoft. However, this hotfix is intended to correct only the problem that is described in this article. Apply this hotfix only to systems that are experiencing the problem described in this article. This hotfix might receive additional testing. Therefore, if you are not severely affected by this problem, we recommend that you wait for the next software update that contains this hotfix.
If the hotfix is available for download, there is a "Hotfix download available" section at the top of this Knowledge Base article. If this section does not appear, contact Microsoft Customer Service and Support to obtain the hotfix.
Note If additional issues occur or if any troubleshooting is required, you might have to create a separate service request. The usual support costs will apply to additional support questions and issues that do not qualify for this specific hotfix. For a complete list of Microsoft Customer Service and Support telephone numbers or to create a separate service request, visit the following Microsoft website:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=supportNote The "Hotfix download available" form displays the languages for which the hotfix is available. If you do not see your language, it is because a hotfix is not available for that language.
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Here is the comparison of Intel D510 with 2 Cores and 4 logical cores with AMD A10-5700 4 cores which is quadcore using windows enterprise.
Intel D510.
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/D510_.png)
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/D510-1.png)
AMD A10-5700
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/AMD_A10_5700_.png)
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/AMD_A10_5700-1.png)
If the AMD is not a quadcore and it only has 4 logical core the two core on the screenshot of the AMD should be on park mode. This why i said that windows 8 is not detecting the two more core on my AMD A10.
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If the AMD is not a quadcore and it only has 4 logical core the two core on the screenshot of the AMD should be on park mode. This why i said that windows 8 is not detecting the two more core on my AMD A10.
Parking happens to logical cores (which may or may not translate to an actual physical core) that do not get sufficient load. It has more to do with how Windows assigns tasks to logical cores than the actual hardware behind each logical core. You can disable parking if you desire -- this was actually one of the first performance patches for Bulldozer/Piledriver since Windows 7 was poorly scheduling tasks for this architecture (parking an idle logical core that shares a module with an active logical core results in performance degradation for these designs).
Optimized scheduling for Bulldozer/Piledriver vs. optimized scheduling for Intel multicore designs with HT is very different, so there is an advantage of getting this right.
For Bulldozer/Piledriver, you normally want to use all the logical cores per module first to minimize the need for inter-module communication (quite slow as it goes through the uncore)... so one module is left idle (which can result in parking) until the computational load increases. The decrease in performance from sharing components is largely compensated by the reduced access latency.
Most recent Intels incorporate a fast communication path between cores. This in addition to Intel not putting in additional execution paths with HT, means that utilizing only one logical core per physical core (and parking the other logical core per physical core) makes sense during partial loads.
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Parking happens to logical cores (which may or may not translate to an actual physical core) that do not get sufficient load. It has more to do with how Windows assigns tasks to logical cores than the actual hardware behind each logical core. You can disable parking if you desire -- this was actually one of the first performance patches for Bulldozer/Piledriver since Windows 7 was poorly scheduling tasks for this architecture (parking an idle logical core that shares a module with an active logical core results in performance degradation for these designs).
Optimized scheduling for Bulldozer/Piledriver vs. optimized scheduling for Intel multicore designs with HT is very different, so there is an advantage of getting this right.
For Bulldozer/Piledriver, you normally want to use all the logical cores per module first to minimize the need for inter-module communication (quite slow as it goes through the uncore)... so one module is left idle (which can result in parking) until the computational load increases. The decrease in performance from sharing components is largely compensated by the reduced access latency.
Most recent Intels incorporate a fast communication path between cores. This in addition to Intel not putting in additional execution paths with HT, means that utilizing only one logical core per physical core (and parking the other logical core per physical core) makes sense during partial loads.
Pero yung D510 park mode siya forever which make the intel D510 2 cores. Kahit mag multi task ka wala pa din naka park mode lang siya.
Saka yung ultra motion ng splash pro pag naka windows 7 ako di naman nag wawarning na optimize lang isya pag quadcore kasi kita ng windows 7 na quadcore ang A10 ko. Saka auto enable na yung ultra motion after ko masetup yung splash pro which means quad core talaga yung A10. ^-^
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Pero yung D510 park mode siya forever which make the intel D510 2 cores. Kahit mag multi task ka wala pa din naka park mode lang siya.
As with anything, you can disable parking if you want to. Windows 7 is aware of Hyperthreading, so it parks one logical core per physical core to spread the load among the physical cores (and minimize thread contention). Without patches/updates, it's unaware of the Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture and treats each logical core (which translates to an integer core + shared resources) as a separate physical core.
Saka yung ultra motion ng splash pro pag naka windows 7 ako di naman nag wawarning na optimize lang isya pag quadcore kasi kita ng windows 7 na quadcore ang A10 ko. Saka auto enable na yung ultra motion after ko masetup yung splash pro which means quad core talaga yung A10. ^-^
Nobody is asking you to change how you view things, but the reasoning that you're using can also work the other way. Since it does not work under Windows 8, your logic can also say that it's not a quad core processor.
This is purely a software detection issue, as older variants of Splash Pro enables its features depending on what it assumes as core count. Motion2 Ultra functionality no longer requires that Splash Pro see a "quad core" with versions 1.11 to 1.13, as you can enable it with any processor (modern processors with less than 4 cores can easily handle the workload). It does default to off with what appears as less than 4 cores, however.
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As with anything, you can disable parking if you want to. Windows 7 is aware of Hyperthreading, so it parks one logical core per physical core to spread the load among the physical cores (and minimize thread contention). Without patches/updates, it's unaware of the Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture and treats each logical core (which translates to an integer core + shared resources) as a separate physical core.
Nobody is asking you to change how you view things, but the reasoning that you're using can also work the other way. Since it does not work under Windows 8, your logic can also say that it's not a quad core processor.
This is purely a software detection issue, as older variants of Splash Pro enables its features depending on what it assumes as core count. Motion2 Ultra functionality no longer requires that Splash Pro see a "quad core" with versions 1.11 to 1.13, as you can enable it with any processor (modern processors with less than 4 cores can easily handle the workload). It does default to off with what appears as less than 4 cores, however.
Yah you can enabled it even on the old version but there is a warning if your processor is not a qudcore as detected by the OS but on my windows 7 there is no warning as the quad core is detected but not by the windows 8. I have the latest G620 but i can't handle the ultra motion as i tested even other at TPC tested the splash pro ulra motion with 2 core processor and they see stuttering. As i said upon installation of splash pro using windows 7 the ultra motion is enable automaticaly but with windows 8 its not enabled. I don't know how you see what im explaning but as far as i know the new windows 8 does not detect the 4 cores of the A10 but other software and windows 7 detect it. The patch you are saying is not for the core of the pile driver as said it for other model not for trinity.
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Yah you can enabled it even on the old version but there is a warning if your processor is not a qudcore as detected by the OS but on my windows 7 there is no warning as the quad core is detected but not by the windows 8. I have the latest G620 but i can't handle the ultra motion as i tested even other at TPC tested the splash pro ulra motion with 2 core processor and they see stuttering. As i said upon installation of splash pro using windows 7 the ultra motion is enable automaticaly but with windows 8 its not enabled. I don't know how you see what im explaning but as far as i know the new windows 8 does not detect the 4 cores of the A10 but other software and windows 7 detect it. The patch you are saying is not for the core of the pile driver as said it for other model not for trinity.
"For our tests of the Socket AM3+ platform we installed KB2645594 and KB2646060 OS patches, which adapt the scheduler operation for Bulldozer AND Piledriver microarchitectures."
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8350_4.html (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8350_4.html)
KB2645594 makes Windows 7 treat a Bulldozer or a Piledriver module as a single core that's capable of handling 2 threads.
Motion2 Ultra works just fine in my i5 portable (it's the only dual core I have access to at the moment). Turning off PureVideo does increase utilization significantly so a slower dual core may not suffice, but I suppose most people with limited hardware would run with Hardware Acceleration enabled anyway. My older i7-920 easily handles no hardware acceleration with one core disabled (so 3 cores active); I'm sure it can manage with just 2 cores if overclocked.
Update: I tested it with an i7-2700K and it handles the load with 2 cores disabled.
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I believe this is the KB on your earlier post as i said the KB is not intended for tinity but for other AMD model. I also read that article and it did not mention any piledriver.
An update is available for computers that have an AMD FX, AMD Opteron 4200, AMD Opteron 6200, or AMD Bulldozer series processor installed and that are running Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2
This article introduces an update for computers that are running Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2 and that have a processor from one of the following series installed:
AMD FX
AMD Opteron 4200/4300
AMD Opteron 6200/6300
AMD Opteron Bulldozer
Currently, the CPU scheduling techniques that are used by Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 are not optimized for the AMD Bulldozer module architecture. This architecture is found on AMD FX series, AMD Opteron 4200/4300 Series, and AMD Opteron 6200/6300 Series processors. Therefore, multithreaded workloads may not be optimally distributed on computers that have one of these processors installed in a lightly-threaded environment. This may result in decreased system performance for some applications.
Important The power management policy for processor core parking on your computer may prevent this update from producing the desired performance increase. To disable core parking, install the hotfix that is described in Microsoft Knowledge Base (KB) article 2646060.
Hotfix information
A supported hotfix is available from Microsoft. However, this hotfix is intended to correct only the problem that is described in this article. Apply this hotfix only to systems that are experiencing the problem described in this article. This hotfix might receive additional testing. Therefore, if you are not severely affected by this problem, we recommend that you wait for the next software update that contains this hotfix.
If the hotfix is available for download, there is a "Hotfix download available" section at the top of this Knowledge Base article. If this section does not appear, contact Microsoft Customer Service and Support to obtain the hotfix.
Note If additional issues occur or if any troubleshooting is required, you might have to create a separate service request. The usual support costs will apply to additional support questions and issues that do not qualify for this specific hotfix. For a complete list of Microsoft Customer Service and Support telephone numbers or to create a separate service request, visit the following Microsoft website:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=supportNote The "Hotfix download available" form displays the languages for which the hotfix is available. If you do not see your language, it is because a hotfix is not available for that language.
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I believe this is the KB on your earlier post as i said the KB is not intended for tinity but for other AMD model. I also read that article and it did not mention any piledriver.
The xbit article DOES mention Piledriver. It's a review of Vishera which uses Piledriver cores.
The Microsoft Hotfix was published before the Piledriver based processors were released, which is why there is no mention of Trinity/Vishera processors in Article ID: 2645594. However, it should effect the same scheduling change to Piledriver based processors because Piledriver cores are "Enhanced Bulldozer" cores as per AMD. If it did not, I'd be surprised if MS does not make a followup release to patch up Piledriver.
Have your tried applying the Hotfix, btw? At least we'd know for sure if you try it.
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I read all article regarding the hotfix and this is for AMD buldozer. As [er microsoft apply the HOTFIX to the system that has issue not all system will need this hotfix as not all system has same issue. I also read the microsoft hotfix article.
Apply this hotfix only to systems that are experiencing the problem described in this article. This hotfix might receive additional testing. Therefore, if you are not severely affected by this problem, we recommend that you wait for the next software update that contains this hotfix.
Source: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594)
AMD Bulldozer gets hotfix from MicrosoftMicrosoft has rolled out a hotfix to optimize the performance of AMD's Bulldozer processors on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 based systems.
The hotfix enables Bulldozer to use Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT). This article introduces an update that optimizes the performance of AMD Bulldozer CPUs that are used by Windows 7-based or Windows Server 2008 R2-based computers. Currently, the performance of AMD Bulldozer CPUs is slower than expected. This behavior occurs because the threading logic in Windows 7 and in Windows Server 2008 R2 is not optimized to use the Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT) scheduling feature. This feature was introduced in the Bulldozer family of AMD CPUs. Note This issue may occur when you use applications that run in multiple threads.
KB2645594 (Download here) (install this first) The CPU scheduling techniques that are used by Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 are not optimized for the AMD Bulldozer module architecture. Therefore, multithreaded workloads may not be optimally distributed on computers that have one of these processors installed in a lightly-threaded environment. This may result in decreased system performance for some applications. When this update is installed, the scheduler will be aware that your Bulldozer processor contains dual-core modules. In essence, threads 1-4 now get assigned to their own module first.
Source: http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-Bulldozer-hotfix-from-Microsoft-download-2831.html (http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-Bulldozer-hotfix-from-Microsoft-download-2831.html)
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I read all article regarding the hotfix and this is for AMD buldozer. As [er microsoft apply the HOTFIX to the system that has issue not all system will need this hotfix as not all system has same issue. I also read the microsoft hotfix article.
Did you even read what I indicated? The Microsoft article was written prior to the release of Enhanced Bulldozer aka Piledriver, hence the model numbers of subsequent processors are not listed. It is listed as an applicable fix for Piledriver in many third party websites however, if you need other sources. You will notice that most benchmarks of Trinity and Vishera either run Windows 8 or Windows 7 with the scheduling fix.
Here's an example:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_5.html (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_5.html)
"For our tests of the AMD A10-5800K platform we installed KB2645594 and KB2646060 OS patches, which adapt the scheduler operation for Bulldozer and Piledriver microarchitectures."
It is but natural for this to be the case because Piledriver's design is a mild evolution of the Bulldozer architecture. The very reason for the release of this fix still exists in the Piledriver module architecture.
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Did you even read what I indicated? The Microsoft article was written prior to the release of Enhanced Bulldozer aka Piledriver, hence the model numbers of subsequent processors are not listed. It is listed as an applicable fix for Piledriver in many third party websites however, if you need other sources. You will notice that most benchmarks of Trinity and Vishera either run Windows 8 or Windows 7 with the scheduling fix.
Here's an example:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_5.html (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_5.html)
"For our tests of the AMD A10-5800K platform we installed KB2645594 and KB2646060 OS patches, which adapt the scheduler operation for Bulldozer and Piledriver microarchitectures."
It is but natural for this to be the case because Piledriver's design is a mild evolution of the Bulldozer architecture. The very reason for the release of this fix still exists in the Piledriver module architecture.
Yah i read. parang ganito lang yan why you will fix it if there is no issue at all. Bat ko ipapatch if wala naman issue sa paggamit as simple as that. But i will do what you ask to check that patch. ;) ;)
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Tested the KB2645594 but its not applicable on my system ano kaya yung test ng xbitxlabs. Kaya minsan di basta basta 100% naniniwala sa mga review i always refer to my actual experience. Now maybe windows 8 has the bug for the pile driver. I make sure to test first before commenting not just base on google or reviews. >:D >:D ^-^ ^-^
(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/elmer_manalili/kb-1.png)
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Tested the KB2645594 but its not applicable on my system ano kaya yung test ng xbitxlabs. Kaya minsan di basta basta 100% naniniwala sa mga review i always refer to my actual experience. Now maybe windows 8 has the bug for the pile driver. I make sure to test first before commenting not just base on google or reviews. >:D >:D ^-^ ^-^
I think you need Service Pack 1 to install this "sp2 release" patch. This patch installs even on systems with Intel processors running Windows 7 SP1.
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I think you need Service Pack 1 to install this "sp2 release" patch. This patch installs even on systems with Intel processors running Windows 7 SP1.
As per checking microsoft site it say windows 7 not windows 7 with sp1 alone. ;) ;)
Note The "Hotfix download available" form displays the languages for which the hotfix is available. If you do not see your language, it is because a hotfix is not available for that language.
Prerequisites
To apply this update, you must be running one of the following operating systems:
•Windows 7
•Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1)
•Windows Server 2008 R2
•Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1 (SP1)
For more information about how to obtain a Windows 7 or a Windows Server 2008 R2 service pack, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
976932
(http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976932/ )
Information about Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 and for Windows Server 2008 R2
source: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594)
As say on the article of microsoft this is for and no AMD A10 on the article. O0
This article introduces an update for computers that are running Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2 and that have a processor from one of the following series installed:
•AMD FX
•AMD Opteron 4200/4300
•AMD Opteron 6200/6300
•AMD Opteron Bulldozer
Have you read the article of microsoft about the patch?
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As per checking microsoft site it say windows 7 not windows 7 with sp1 alone. ;) ;)
source: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594)
As say on the article of microsoft this is for and no AMD A10 on the article. O0
It may be referring to Windows 7 retail (or early OEM) with SP1 installed subsequently via Windows Update or Windows 7 SP1 package (later OEM releases) installed in one go. I have not experienced a failed install for this hotfix with SP1 except when a prior leaked patch is installed.
The files that apply to a specific product, SR_Level (RTM, SPn), and service branch (LDR, GDR) can be identified by examining the file version numbers as shown in the following table.
Version Product SR_Level Service branch
6.1.760 0 . 16xxx Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 RTM GDR
6.1.760 0 . 20xxx Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 RTM LDR
6.1.760 1 . 17xxx Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 GDR
6.1.760 1 . 21xxx Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 LDR
All the listed files in the hotfix are 6.1.7601..xxxxx in file version, meaning they apply to SP1.
As for the A10 being unlisted, I think you just like going round and round. The article was posted in January of this year, prior to the launch of the A10.