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High-Def => Blu-ray Content => Topic started by: ultimax on May 24, 2010 at 06:19 PM
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Just wanted to inform you guys. Saw some blu ray discs at cinema square makati for 600. packaging is for real. and only plays on blu ray players (of course). nice titles.....
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Just for clarification bro, how would you know it plays only on BD player? Did the seller test the disc using a BD player? Which floor is the seller located?
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Just for clarification bro, how would you know it plays only on BD player? Did the seller test the disc using a BD player? Which floor is the seller located?
no, I would'nt know, no bd player there, no hd monitor and I don't think the seller will open a sealed box just to test it. He insisted it's the original and can be returned if it's fake. bad for business if his lying. Or you can wait for feedbacks in this forum coz im sure one way or another somebody's gonna try it.
from the basement parking, climb the stairs then ride the escalator up one floor then make a u turn and walk towards a stall before reaching the corner on the left. BTW: don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to help this guy sell his stuff. just providing info to bd fanatics.
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No I'm not. I am indeed a BD fanatic thus my questions to you in the hope that you may have verified it na. :)
P600 is a very good price but somehow I have my doubt. On well, I may drop by the place within the week to verify it. No BD player, no problem. Just a regular DVD player will do. :)
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I would appreciate if you could give me feedback. It could help me decide to buy a bd player. ;)
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Just wanted to inform you guys. Saw some blu ray discs at cinema square makati for 600. packaging is for real. and only plays on blu ray players (of course). nice titles.....
MCS is known as the place in makati for pirated discs. At P600, that's expensive even if it's bluray since pirated discs have no resale value. Also, the vendors have been selling dvd 9's in blu ray packaging for almost 2 years now, how do you know that's not the case if you don't open it?
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Did you ask the vendor if these are imports or local release bds? What are some of the titles that they are selling, new or old releases?
P600 price tag is too expensive for a bootleg and too cheap for an original sealed new release BD, though I think it's about right for used old releases.
I think vendors believe that blu-ray quality movies that play on dvd players is actually a selling point. Most people would be happy to buy blu-ray quality movies and have them play on their dvd players. It saves them from upgrading to an expensive BD player. So I think the vendors will gain nothing by lying and stating that these will play only on bd players... unless it's true.
But... it's still best to get confirmation from someone who has actually bought it. ;D
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OP says the BD discs can be played in BD player only (presuming this info comes from the seller).
So I think the vendors will gain nothing by lying and stating that these will play only on bd players... unless it's true.
But... it's still best to get confirmation from someone who has actually bought it. ;D
Or unless the sellers themselves got misled into believing that the BD discs can actually play on BD player only....but I've a feeling they may be out there to prey on gullible victims. Oh yeah, this weekend I will visit them & will create havoc if it's not true! All hell will break loose! ;D
MCS is known as the place in makati for pirated discs. .....how do you know that's not the case if you don't open it?
Yes, that's my thought. I'll buy one, open & test in front of the seller & make him eat his words if not true.... ;D
ultimax, could you describe a bit more details of the stall location? Is it located in the middle of ground floor? Or located inside the shop space together with other DVD vendors? Or the seller's store is standalone? You mentioned from the car park basement, next level up the staircase is basement 1 where plenty DVD sellers, bingo, & arm dealers located. Using the escalator is next level (ground floor).
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hmm :) if they are old titles then pwede yan ..... pero kung new and recently released BD titles .... welll i'll have some doubt .....
Be careful ....... and yes there are existing pirated BDs (using BD-R disc) around na selling for about that price.
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OP says the BD discs can be played in BD player only (presuming this info comes from the seller).
Maybe it's a DVD disc containing AVCHD video.
If so, it won't play on an SD DVD player, but it will play on BD players that are AVCHD compatible, although it still wouldn't be a real BD, and quality would be lower than a real BD.
I first learned about that from sir ninjababez in October 2008. Here's a Nov. 2008 thread (now locked) started by sir Mouldingo: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=88233.0
That thread lasted only 3 hours before it was locked, so expect this one to be shut down really soon ... :D
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Yes, that's my thought. I'll buy one, open & test in front of the seller & make him eat his words if not true.... ;D
Ok, then let us know... and if you find out that it's not true, make him eat more than just his words! :D
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Too good to be true but will still wait for Paul's findings.
Everything to gain & nothing to lose, specially to some (like me) who are on a tight budget ;)
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May nakita din ako nyan sa may dampa; iyong mga restaurants na kung saan magpapaluto ka sa may Macapagal. Sa likod nun may bluray disc na 600pesos.
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Ok, then let us know... and if you find out that it's not true, make him eat more than just his words! :D
Eh...I would love to but I'm afraid anything more may result in severe physical harm & legal action. :P
Maybe I'll show some of my "Wing Chun" skils to the vendor! ;D
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Eh...I would love to but I'm afraid anything more may result in severe physical harm & legal action. ,D
Maybe I'll show some of my "Wing Chun" skils to the vendor! ;D
Go Bruce! Oops, should be go Paul! ;D
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Go Bruce! Oops, should be go Paul! ;D
Chris, perhaps you could give a few pointers... ;D
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I'm also waiting for sir Paul's feedback on this.
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It's easy to recreate BD kuno ngayon with all the torrents that are available on the web. Just download, convert using any editing program like Nero 9, burn on a DVD 9 and sell to a guilible buyer. :P
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This could be BD ISO burned straight on BD25 disks - that requires BD player for proper playback. They can possibly be quite transparent to the source depending on the size of the original file(s) and sometimes, kasya pati some of the special features. Titles can be totally new - because they could have possibly been ripped straight from original BDs warehoused somewhere and waiting for the official release date -2 weeks na meron BD ISO (25GB) and BDMV (34+GB) ng Alice in Wonderland - pure BD rips - and they're not even officially released yet. that's just one example.
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Puwede!!!
Sabi sa Lowyat (Malaysian forum), meron na raw fake BD 25 @ RM48 (P672.49), and BD 50 @ RM58 (P812.80). DVD9 containing BD to DVD transcode is RM15 (P210.18):
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1203583/+60
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Could be. However I have been searching the web and still couldn't find info about bootleg 25 gig blu ray disc. All I found was the upscaled dvd 9 recorded close enough from a 720p resolution and being sold as blu ray kuno. To date this is still china and malaysia's preferred bootleg format (because the media is cheap). Ultil someone with a blu ray player tried it, we'll end up just speculating. Again, according to the seller it's the "original" and can be "returned" if not satisfied. It could be a new pirated mkv. format, original, or smugggled. Just out of curiosity if it's really a 1080p resolution disc with all the features of the original, then the industry is once again in trouble. I do not own a bluray palyer yet, but since my niece is an executive in warner brothers based in burbank ca., she brought me blu ray discs as pasalubong and she'll stop doing this if she found out I'm into bootleg.
Okay barrister! I am about to post when you posted first and found a website about this issue! It's now getting interesting...
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Hmm punta nga ako ngayon. Check ko lang. Malapit lang ito sa office.
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Regardless, the price of P600 is still too high for bootlegs, even quality ones. Also, I don't think there's enough owners of blu ray players to support the pirates.
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Regardless, the price of P600 is still too high for bootlegs, even quality ones. Also, I don't think there's enough owners of blu ray players to support the pirates.
agree. my average spent for original BDs (pdvd marketplace, amazon & other sources) is P674 per BD( i computed just now ) so i'd still go for orig BDs.
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agree. my average spent for original BDs (pdvd marketplace, amazon & other sources) is P674 per BD( i computed just now ) so i'd still go for orig BDs.
+1
Went there 30 minutes ago ;D, OMB guys were all over the place ;D so no chance to see/inspect the item
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Regardless, the price of P600 is still too high for bootlegs, even quality ones. Also, I don't think there's enough owners of blu ray players to support the pirates.
you'll be surprised this guy was the first in MCS to sell the dvd9 fancy packaging with blu-ray logos and also the small plastic blu ray case that contains improved dvd9 resolution and also the first to sell those sequel movies in nice tin cases and now the controversial bd disc. he got special customers including foreigners.
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Eh...I would love to but I'm afraid anything more may result in severe physical harm & legal action. :P
Maybe I'll show some of my "Wing Chun" skils to the vendor! ;D
to bruce lee and jet lee...this guy is a brother muslim and it's their turf so good luck.
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I just have a feeling this is a ripped BD encoded on a dvd9 with a bluray packaging exactly like the original. Sealed! If this is the one, the SRP of P600 is way too high. I got mine (a couple of titles) last year for P100 only! After watching them, I swore never to buy again because it's just the same as the dvd9s priced at P60 and lower. Pardon me ha? But this was before. Nung wala pa akong HDTV at BD. Ngayon, nagbago na po ako ;D
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Quote from the link posted by Atty barrister
Quote from lowyat forum:
Pirated Bluray A - this type of pirated blu-ray , is actually a dvd, all the content was copied from BluRay and they put it inside dvd, this one can only be played on dvd. Rm13 - 20 <---- Its called BluRay rip (Ripped from the original blu-ray disc)
Pirated Bluray B - this type of pirated blu-ray , is actually a pirated BluRay , can play only on BluRay players, its really ripped from blu-rays.Rm 48-50 <------- This called BluRay Copy (Copied 100% from the original BluRay disc 1 to 1)
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Those that are selling P70-P100 is under Pirated Bluray A. As for the P600, it would fall under Pirated Bluray B (if what the vendor saying is true as the OP did mention it can only play in BD player).
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Lemme expound on Pirated Bluray B since this is where the interest lies.
Nearly all Commercial BD material have some form of encryption. For those wishing to sell material using the BluRay format, they need to author them with some form of Digital Rights Management (DRM) to protect the copyright holder from piracy. DRM methods for Bluray consist of AACS and to a minor degree Macrovision. You can google/wiki them.
Anyway, that's what stops the average person from buying a Commercial BD, popping it in a PC with a Bluray burner and making a backup.
However, AACS and Macrovision algorithms have been cracked by off-shore entities like Slysoft (makers of AnyDVD).
In essence, Slysoft (and other similar Bluray ripping software) allow you to "strip" the DRM of the Commercial BD so that it can be played using either a Media Player capable of playing BDMV/ISO content.
So what devices can play BD stripped of DRM?
1. Standalone Bluray Players
2. PCs/MACs that can play m2ts files (VLC only plays main movie feature). PowerDVD9 for full playback.
3. Media Players (products like the C200 & the Dune Base/Prime can play BDMV/BD ISO/Backups).
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It would just be a matter of time before piracy hits the Blu-ray format. If they were able to replicate blu-ray copies commercially then it would be the next victim of piracy.
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These are pirated discs sourced from China. They are burned BD-25 discs I saw these in 1 stall sa Quiapo being sold at 700 pesos. I didn't buy one because I don't have a bluray player even if I had one I still won't buy it at 700 pesos. I was able to see the disc because they had one opened they even had a bluray player at the stall. But I wasn't able to test the disc since nakaconnect sa dvd player yun lcd tv. And wala naman akong balak bumili so nakakahiya magpa-test. The discs are sealed with a cardboard slipcase. Medyo kilala ko yun may-ari ng stall and sinabi ko na rin na medyo mahal ang benta nila at 700. Hope this clears up the topic.
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Chris, perhaps you could give a few pointers... ;D
Wish I can bro ;D
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At PhP 700, you can buy an original BD from Amazon when they are on sale. Pirated BDs won't click locally since price alone is a turn off for the masses. BD is still considered a niche market in the Philippines. And many cannot see the viewing difference to justify buying BDs. THose who do appreciate pirated HD would rather download torrents than buy a pirated BD since they are too cheap to spend. :P
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If they sell at P600-700 for new/recent movies (and cheaper than Amazon's current price) & the quality is exact copy of the original BD...ooh I'll buy! That'll be a BIG saving minus the shipping cost. :)
Example, the current Amazon price for the following BDs (assuming exchange rate $1 = P46):
Legion $24.99 > P1,150
Daybreakers $24.99 > P1,150
Cirque Du Freak: The Vampire's Assistant $25.99 > P1,196
Ninja Assasin $28.99 > P1,334
Bolt $29.49 > P1,356
*The above price hasn't include shipping fee yet. If the seller has such tittles at P600, I'd say that's much cheaper than at Amazon (with the exception from torrents of course). ;D
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If they sell at P600-700 for new/recent movies (and cheaper than Amazon's current price) & the quality is exact copy of the original BD...ooh I'll buy!
I doubt if the quality will be the same.
That's what they said about the fake DVDs when they first came out. They said the fake should be an exact replica of the original because it's digital, so the copy should be bit-perfect.
But that's not what happened. Most fake DVDs had terrible quality when they first came out. And at this day and age, most fake DVDs still have terrible quality.
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If they sell at P600-700 for new/recent movies (and cheaper than Amazon's current price) & the quality is exact copy of the original BD...ooh I'll buy! That'll be a BIG saving minus the shipping cost. :)
Now why would you purchase pirated discs to your collection? If you are serious with your collection, I'd wait for Amazon to go on sale. Titles on sale can go all the way to just US$ 9.00, or buy one take one.
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Everyday the abu vendor here in QC is also urging me to order this bluray for 700. I said "mahal masyado" and i am not sure about this disc. Sabi ko nga kung mga 400 lang ito baka me makuha pa silang customer. Orig bluray na lang ako.--- for now ;D
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Now why would you purchase pirated discs to your collection? If you are serious with your collection, I'd wait for Amazon to go on sale. Titles on sale can go all the way to just US$ 9.00, or buy one take one.
hehe bro I am serious about my collection but that doesn't mean I can't try "other formats". Previously I got Jack Sparrow (JS) from time to time but recently I got into BitTorrent (BT) as well since it's in HD & free (download at the comfort at your home pa). But problem is downloading a single movie can take up days....and I don't have the patience. ;D
Reason is I can't afford to buy every single movie in BD. For mediocre & certain genre of films I will get the JS. Or sometimes I get the SP/BT just to check out if the film is good. Usually if I really like a certain film, then I'll go for the real BD. :)
For some movies, I have been waiting patiently over a year but the price still won't go down eh...e.g. Bolt $29.49 > P1,356 (released on March 2009) :-[ I had watched this film in the cinema so I didn't get the JS. Now that I can do BT, I might get BT for the time being while waiting for the price to drop.
Anyway, that's OT na discusing the reason of getting JS or BT. I guess it's up to individual preference for whatever reason. I know you're a BD purist bro i.e. 100% BD & no JS nor BT, for that I really envy & salute you. Wish I could do that too. :)
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I doubt if the quality will be the same.
That's what they said about the fake DVDs when they first came out. They said the fake should be an exact replica of the original because it's digital, so the copy should be bit-perfect.
But that's not what happened. Most fake DVDs had terrible quality when they first came out. And at this day and age, most fake DVDs still have terrible quality.
I agree. That is why I mentioned if "the quality is exact copy of the original BD" which I doubt it. Also, most BDs are encoded in BD50. However, if the P600 is a BD25 at 720p (assuming acceptable quality) then I might consider so that I don't need to do BT anymore hehe. ;D
But on second thought, I might as well spend the budget to upgrade my DSL to a HIGH speed connection, hence I can do BT "unlimited & FREE". :D
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hehe bro I am serious about my collection but that doesn't mean I can't try "other formats". Previously I got Jack Sparrow (JS) from time to time but recently I got into BitTorrent (BT) as well since it's in HD & free (download at the comfort at your home pa). But problem is downloading a single movie can take up days....and I don't have the patience. ;D
Reason is I can't afford to buy every single movie in BD. For mediocre & certain genre of films I will get the JS. Or sometimes I get the SP/BT just to check out if the film is good. Usually if I really like a certain film, then I'll go for the real BD. :)
For some movies, I have been waiting patiently over a year but the price still won't go down eh...e.g. Bolt $29.49 > P1,356 (released on March 2009) :-[ I had watched this film in the cinema so I didn't get the JS. Now that I can do BT, I might get BT for the time being while waiting for the price to drop.
Anyway, that's OT na discusing the reason of getting JS or BT. I guess it's up to individual preference for whatever reason. I know you're a BD purist bro i.e. 100% BD & no JS nor BT, for that I really envy & salute you. Wish I could do that too. :)
+1000 ;D. ya I totally agree with you here. I am also waiting for bolt and it just won't come down in price >:( ;D. I am also waiting for the Narnia 1 and 2 to come down in price.
OT..There are really some who can afford all origs. I also salute them. I am one of the guys that can't afford all origs ;D I have a lot of orig bd's and I also have lots and lots of JS (running total is I think at close to 2000 or maybe more :D ;D). Before I was buying orig bd's left and right but with budget concerns now (and being more practical and reality/patience sinking in ;D) I have totally slowed down. I just buy (mostly) catalogs bec. I really love catalog movies, and they are cheap ;D. On day date movies, I watch them first on JS or at the movies and if its great I will buy it on orig bds hehe. It really hurts spending 1700 on a movie and it totally sucks, then try to sell it at the marketplace (where nobody or only a few) will buy it for maybe 600 or less. It's just a total loss on my end imo. I don't have an nmt yet but I'm really looking forward to buying one ;D.
600 to 700 for Sherlock holmes, avatar, it's complicated, and some others. I will bite ;D
catalogs - no freaking way ;D
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Way back during the late 90's, Cardinal Audio at virra mall greenhills, is one source of DVD software. Average price was 1400.00. I spent quite a part of my salary buying 2 to 3 disc a month. I could by it cheaper from the states (around 700 to 800) pabilin sa friends or relatives visiting . My first DVD title is "blade runner" double sided, different aspect ratio.
Because titles then were very limited, I bought any title that was available basta me mai-uwi lang ako. until after a year, a store at shopsvillle started selling dvd's for 300.00. These are dvd 9's from china, exactly a copy of the original but only a number of titles. Then it disappeared and after several months it was replaced by the dvd 5 that was sold for 120.00....100....80...70...60...40 and so is the quality. It was the same time virra mall became popular until greenhills decided to renovate. then the following years quiapo, divisoria, and MCS sells the dvd9 "blu-ray" copy that sells for 50.
It will be the same thing with BD's soon. I have already decided to upgrade my HT to a 1080p dlp projector + bd player. I will only buy "genuine" BD disc that is worth collecting and worth my time to watch again and again.I do will buy/try this controversial BD disc but not at 600. Until then I'll spend my hard earned money going to theaters with my wife and kids like in promenade, rockwell, trinoma, moa/imax, and rate it, decide/prepare lists of movies that I am going to buy in BDs.
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One factor to consider...
If you get a orig at 1500, there's still a resale value safely about 800 pesos.
If you get a fake at 700, no more resale...
Collections move but kung populated ng JS, it devalues it.
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I doubt if the quality will be the same.
That's what they said about the fake DVDs when they first came out. They said the fake should be an exact replica of the original because it's digital, so the copy should be bit-perfect.
But that's not what happened. Most fake DVDs had terrible quality when they first came out. And at this day and age, most fake DVDs still have terrible quality.
barrister, if these fake BDs proliferate, madami na naman tayo ire-review dun sa you-know-where ;D balik ba tayo dun o nagbagong buhay na tayo? hahaha
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Early last year i got a few of these discs in China. I think its the same as the description in this topic. They are BDR 25G same BD original packaging and slip case at around 400 pesos or less. I tested it in the PS3 of the shop and it worked. When i played it in my ps3 and bd player it was fine The bitrate is lower than the original when i compared them with the original BD release. I cant see much difference in PQ. As mentioned these are not so nice to have beside your real collection... so i separate it. A 600 cost is already close to the proper BD. Maybe 300 pesos nalang sa china ito
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barrister, if these fake BDs proliferate, madami na naman tayo ire-review dun sa you-know-where ;D balik ba tayo dun o nagbagong buhay na tayo? hahaha
Well, it was fun for a while. At first you can still identify about 20% of the fake releases that were good.
About a year later, masuwerte na kung 2% man lang ng fake releases ay OK.
These days, eto na ang mga formats ng video ko:
1. For the titles I really like --- Blu-ray orig.
2. For the titles I don't like too much --- DVD+R DL, burned from torrent VOB or ISO
3. For the titles I haven't seen yet --- AVI from torrent
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One factor to consider...
If you get a orig at 1500, there's still a resale value safely about 800 pesos.
If you get a fake at 700, no more resale...
Collections move but kung populated ng JS, it devalues it.
Tama ka dyan. like buying a nokia and buying the myphone. But like I said I will ony buy "genuine" bd movies that I intend to keep permanently. Like my orig dvd dts audio saving private ryan, for sure bibilhin ko rin yung bd format neto same with forest gump. Would you belive me laser disc pa ko nun FG ( not the corrupt dude.) ;D
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Well, it was fun for a while. At first you can still identify about 20% of the fake releases that were good.
About a year later, masuwerte na kung 2% man lang ng fake releases ay OK.
These days, eto na ang mga formats ng video ko:
1. For the titles I really like --- Blu-ray orig.
2. For the titles I don't like too much --- DVD+R DL, burned from torrent VOB or ISO
3. For the titles I haven't seen yet --- AVI from torrent
same tyo ng categories sir. ;)
MOD NOTE:
i think the discussions here over the past days is enough for this thread. locking thread. no discussions of pirated material.