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Home Theater => Sources => NMTs => Topic started by: Trevor on Jul 04, 2010 at 07:55 PM
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Trying to decide which one is better, should be feature rich, excellent UI and ofcourse "future proof" :D. Hoping for everyone's valuable input. TIA!
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if budget is not constraint - i suggest the pch a200. ;D
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if budget is not constraint - i suggest the pch a200. ;D
+1. Best UI, particularly navigation
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Yikes no idea yet on PCH and WDTV live prices! You guys know?
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How does xtreamer and pch a200 flares with mede8er?
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Sir Trevor just go to the various models in the NMT section. Rule of thumb, the higher the price the better and more advanced it is. There are a lot of threads discussing all of these already. You can't compare those with different price points. Even the cheapest player will give you endless hours of enjoyment :)
With regards to PQ and sound, the difference is minimal as seen in our NMT shootout.
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+1 sa a200, madalas nauuna pa ito pag me firmware update :D
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for your consideration:
i bought Xtreamer as my first NMT, changed it PCHA200 coz it cant support Hi-Def Audio and PCHA200 has YAMJ. PQ, hard to differentiate between them. loading/boot up time, mas mabilis ang Xtreamer. ;)
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Narrowing down my option between PCH and Xtreamer. Thanks for all your inputs guys will be buying one tomorrow na kasi. In case there are distributors of these two device here, please feel free to pm me your best price. Id like to bundle a 1TB HD as well.
Thanks much!
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annot sells both Xtreamer and Popcorn A-200, check out sa video section in the marketplace. pati hard drives complete they have, and deliver too
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Wow thats cool! Thanks ditoy :D
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Question: Pagbili mo bukas kelan mo gusto mag-upgrade?
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What do you mean? Am i making the wrong choice here? Id like to hear your recommendation.
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I wouldnt buy any media player without a fully functional remote. A tiny remote is cool and cute, BUT better think carefully how you want to control the playback. What are your viewing habits sa DVDs?
I would choose the media player that plays the best. That would be the A200 among your choices - but it's really ugly on the outside. Very very fugly.
You should check the Mede8er too. Very fast, very stable with reasonably matured FW. Cant do all the tricks of the A200, but its 2K cheaper. Is that 2K premium worth it? I'd personally say yes but the added playback capabilities of the A200 may not at all be relevant to you.
File Management: The PC is unmatched. Pasasakitin mo lang ulo mo if you use the media player.
File Access: Network access is cool and convenient...but expensive to set-up and run (save energy).
HD Audio pass-through: Dont buy NOW if you really want this feature. Perhaps later this year. Maybe next year. Who knows for sure.
Future proof: Myth
UI: Same same lahat halos. Puro promise palang ang mga super rich GUI...potential and promises - Yes. When? - Who knows...and you actually have to spend a lot of time if you want to do any kind of movie jukebox with your media player, and make the GUI more eye-candy. Do you have time for that? Would you rather organize or would you rather watch? Anyway, you can possibly tweak the UI of practically any player right now - but its not exactly easy.
Feature Rich: What other functions do you need?
So think it over well whichever player suits your needs the best. Pag nagkamali ka, early upgrade mangyayari sa yo - unless ok lang sa yo mangolekta ng katakot takot na player. ;)
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A200 definitely - if you have the spare money. Last I heard, it's 10.5k SRP.
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sa akin lang, kung masyado kang detalyado sa gusto mo malamang mag handa ka ng malaking budget.
pero pag limitado ka o yung tama lang na gusto mong mag karoon ng nmt bumili kana at sigurado namang
mag eenjoy ka with your family. ako kasi limited ang budget at hindi masyadong demanding sa detalye ng
gamit kaya enjoy ko na yung mga gears ko. xtreamer nga pala ang nabili ko at ayos naman pong gamitin.
p.s.
lagi pong may lalabas na bagong model o brand o kung ano ano pa at kung mag hihintay pa kayo ng mga mas
bago baka matagalan kayo sa pag bili kasi walang katapusan ito....
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If budget permits, I'd certainly go for A200 :)
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I've tried the WD TV (1st gen), HD Pro, WD TV Live, Xtreamer, and Popcorn Hour A200. I use the A200 now over the others.
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A200!
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Hmm... 11k vs. 15k
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If you dont need Seamless Branching BD rip playback with Dolby TrueHD downmix to Dolby Digital, then the 8K Mede8er is more than enough and passes all the tests. Only the A200 is capable of that kind of playback at the moment.
If you need DTSHD/MA and Dolby TrueHD bitstreaming, MAYBE the A200 would become capable within 2010. PERHAPS. COMING SOON since the day it was born...hehehe
Mede8er - practically no chance.
Xtreamer - topic of litigation - hehehe
Xtreamer PRO - DAW.
In other words, dont take this feature too seriously yet. ;)
PQ: HTPC still looks best...but that's another story...hehehe
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Went with PCH A200 as well. Seems it is the stable choice with the right features.
Though it would be nice to have the two drive bays of the Xtreamer Pro.
The fugly look of the PCH is bearable a it is black and just sits in the corner.
Maybe ill get a popbox http://popbox.com when it comes out.
Re: HTPC route, I guess my dream will be to get a new Mac Mini, run Boxee or some other software on top.
More for managing music and photos and iTunes content.
Regarding storage, it would depend on how much media are you hoarding.
How many movies do you really love to watch over and over ?
I think one must look into that combination as well.
So far Im stuck with 1 Tb internal and 1.5 Tb external. Maybe Ill just get another 2 Tb drive.
Is eTrayz a good option / combo with the PC A200 ?
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If you honestly want a future-proof player, then you would have to go with the HTPC option.
If budget is not an issue, get the DVICO TIVX. You won't go wrong with either the 6500 or the 6600, they are probably the best media tanks available today. Playing BD-Rips with menu access is a great feature to have.
If you're a guy who's not into spending too much on watching downloaded mkv's and avi's then the basic Xtreamer should be more than enough.
HTPC: can be built for ~12k to as expensive as you want
DVICO TIVX: us$300 to us$450 w/o shipping
Xtreamer: Php 5k
I find the A-200 a bit of a deviant in terms of price and features; for me, alanganin, ika nga. It's a little expensive but looks cheap. The features are not too compelling, imho, for the 11k asking price, since I could spring a little extra and get a TIVX (puwede naman siguro maghanap ng kakilala sa SG hehe) or just build a low-powered 1080p capable htpc. This holds true for me for NMT's over 10k in price.
Just my $0.02.
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Just found out that the Xtreamer Pro is P7,400 na lang pala. Better value, imho, than the basic Xtreamer.
Kuha ka na lang ng 2TB na Seagate na P6,740. Btw, you can fit 2 of these in an X-Pro (4TB in all).
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=6276691
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Clarification lang.
If the media player doesn't have Java (as indicated in media player specs), it only supports Simple BD or BD lite.
BD lite is NOT the same as full BD playback.
Full BD playback means the media player will perform as if a disc is put in a standalone bluray player with menus from the manufacturer of the disc not from the manufacturer of the player which is limited to changing audio/subtitles/chapters. BD-Live will also NOT work.
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If you honestly want a future-proof player, then you would have to go with the HTPC option.
If budget is not an issue, get the DVICO TIVX. You won't go wrong with either the 6500 or the 6600, they are probably the best media tanks available today. Playing BD-Rips with menu access is a great feature to have.
If you're a guy who's not into spending too much on watching downloaded mkv's and avi's then the basic Xtreamer should be more than enough.
HTPC: can be built for ~12k to as expensive as you want
DVICO TIVX: us$300 to us$450 w/o shipping
Xtreamer: Php 5k
I find the A-200 a bit of a deviant in terms of price and features; for me, alanganin, ika nga. It's a little expensive but looks cheap. The features are not too compelling, imho, for the 11k asking price, since I could spring a little extra and get a TIVX (puwede naman siguro maghanap ng kakilala sa SG hehe) or just build a low-powered 1080p capable htpc. This holds true for me for NMT's over 10k in price.
Just my $0.02.
If you want the best, TVIX is the best but most expensive ...this probably is the real future-proof NMT ... the promised Jukebox, BD full menu playback, and HD Audio Passthrough (TrueHD, DTS-MA, Dolby Digital Plus) all works on TVIX M6500 ...you may refer to the TVIX M6500 topic on this forum ... my unit is almost 2 years, but a lot of its features have not been made available to the newer NMTs ...only downside is the slow boot time compared to the newer NMTs, but I won't exchange it for 2 brand new A200 :)
by the way, I also own an Xtreamer as a second unit - PQ is at par with TVIX, only the full BD rips are my issue ...but this is good enough if you're not much into HD Audio and full BD rips
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by the way, I also own an Xtreamer as a second unit - PQ is at par with TVIX, only the full BD rips are my issue ...but this is good enough if you're not much into HD Audio and full BD rips
Hi Raptor.
Palitan mo yung Xtreamer ng A200 and Id put you much into BD rips for free. Ikaw lang meron Tvix na kilala ko so I hope you'd be able to compare the A200 vs the 6500 one on one. Im pretty impressed with the A200 even without the HD audio you know...hehehe...Deal?
Back to regular programming.
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Settled for Xtreamer sidewinder na muna, upgrade na lang later if bitin :) Thanks annot for the great deal!
Got a 1TB WD Elements na din so ready to set-up na ko! Thanks much bro HD Movies for the huge discount :D
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but the dvico tvix m6600 is now selling for as low as $220 in the US which is more or less as much a the A200.
which would you guys choose?
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OF the three choices, I'd pick PCH a200.. Given an open budget and granting that all media players are available locally, I'd pick the c200 8)
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but the dvico tvix m6600 is now selling for as low as $220 in the US which is more or less as much a the A200.
which would you guys choose?
Tvix by a mile.
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M6600 is Realtek powered isnt it? No HD audio capabilities as well. Not even component video out and it doesnt look like a food keeper or bento box. ;D Not all Tvix are 6500. Am I right?
So A200 by 42 kms.
You guys should first see the A200 handle full BD Rips. And since ayon sa post ni Streetsmart, the difference in legacy and HD audio may not be that much, with a very very good AVR and speaker set (not to mention a TV capable of 1080p 24Hz), yeah A200 by 100 kms. ;D
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M6600 is Realtek powered isnt it? No HD audio capabilities as well. Not even component video out and it doesnt look like a food keeper or bento box. ;D Not all Tvix are 6500. Am I right?
So A200 by 42 kms.
You guys should first see the A200 handle full BD Rips. And since ayon sa post ni Streetsmart, the difference in legacy and HD audio may not be that much, with a very very good AVR and speaker set (not to mention a TV capable of 1080p 24Hz), yeah A200 by 100 kms. ;D
I have to admit, I didn't know the m6600's specs and issues that well. My limited readings on this NMT suggests it is actually better, albeit marginally, than the 6500, which says a lot from my perspective.
Isn't HD Audio support a firmware matter?
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Not for all.
Realtek has confessed that all 1073/1873 chips made in 2009 have silicon faults preventing HD Audio support.
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Not for all.
Realtek has confessed that all 1073/1873 chips made in 2009 have silicon faults preventing HD Audio support.
What's the real reason for the A200 not getting this feature right from launch date?
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Sigma makes chip.
Syabas (A200 manufacturer) buys chip.
Sigma provides software to enable Syabas to use their chip.
Syabas mades firmware from software provided by Sigma.
HD Audio doesn't work.
Syabas tells Sigma the software (SDK) they got doesn't work.
Sigma fixes it.
Syabas now makes new firmware (in Beta2 now) and it works!
There ya go... in a nutshell.
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Syabas didnt use the same SDK to enable HD-audio on the C200?
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The C200 has the SAME fault.
HD Audio on the current public firmware only works when using BDMV structures. It doesn't work on MKV+HD Audio or single M2TS files with HD Audio tracks.
The reason is that there are 2 separate "player apps" in the firmware.
Laymans terms, think of the 2 apps like playing movies on a PC.
To play full Bluray discs using a PC you use PowerDVD 9 <--- "disc" player
To play a mkv/m2ts/avi/mp4 movie, you use VLC <--- "file" player
The discplayer works on the old SDK but the fileplayer doesn't work with HD Audio. That's what was inherently broken which required a new SDK from Sigma.
Sigma was informed of this problem back in September '09 and the new SDK to fix it was released only last April '10.
Hence, Syabas needs to port over the firmware to new SDK and that's why it's now in Beta2.
pasensya na kung medyo nosebleed ha ha ha.
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HD Audio on the current public firmware only works when using BDMV structures. It doesn't work on MKV+HD Audio or single M2TS files with HD Audio tracks.
Based on what's actually available out there, this is much better than nothing.
Ok, we'll see what happens in the next months or so as regards this feature on the A200. I personally am not rushing because I dont have the proper AVR anyways...but my previous (sold) Egreat 31B made me feel great indicating "DTS-HD" on the Info even though I couldnt hear a thing... hehehe
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True.
The only problem with the "old" Sigma 8635 was that it's limited by bandwidth, It could only allow movies up to 42Mb/sec bitrates without stutter.
BD50 structures (aka commercial BD) hits from 40~60Mb/sec bitrates for video streams.
It was a great chip during it's day pero it's passed it prime. If you play a straight uncompressed m2ts taken from a BDMV structure and play it on a 8635 based player, it WILL stutter which is what people noticed when AnyDVD succeeded to break DRM for Bluray and people started backing up their BD collections.
You also have to prepare because at the moment only DTSHD tracks come with Core DTS audio. Dolby unfortunately doesn't use this same method so if you have a MKV+Dolby TrueHD track, you need to ADD an additional AC3 track for playback on AVRs/TVs without TrueHD.
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The only problem with the "old" Sigma 8635 was that it's limited by bandwidth, It could only allow movies up to 42Mb/sec bitrates without stutter.
BD50 structures (aka commercial BD) hits from 40~60Mb/sec bitrates for video streams.
It was a great chip during it's day pero it's passed it prime. If you play a straight uncompressed m2ts taken from a BDMV structure and play it on a 8635 based player, it WILL stutter which is what people noticed when AnyDVD succeeded to break DRM for Bluray and people started backing up their BD collections.
You also have to prepare because at the moment only DTSHD tracks come with Core DTS audio. Dolby unfortunately doesn't use this same method so if you have a MKV+Dolby TrueHD track, you need to ADD an additional AC3 track for playback on AVRs/TVs without TrueHD.
Well I cannot comment about those guys backing up their own BD collections but in my adventures, the BDMV structures are even smoother than 1080p MKVs on the Egreat 31B. It just couldnt discriminate among the multiple playlist of seamless branching BD rips and cant play BD ISO (hence I decided to sell the 31B ). BDMV didnt stutter on my 31B - and Im still mystified by it.
The A200 already outputs Dolby Digital from Dolby TrueHD (which I feel is awesome considering the Mede8er is totally muted on that audiostream). That's enough for me..hahaha
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Someone in the beta team already reported the branching issues of using Simple BD. It should be addressed by Syabas.
That's why when I was invited I jumped at the chance because in my own way I feel I'm contributing to the feedback mechanism so that succeeding firmware as far as the PCH is concerned become solid. Mas protektado ang ginastos ko :)
As for the tupperware case of the A200, I already solved that by installing it in a metal enclosure. Now it looks "pro" and can sit proudly next to my other home theater gear.
IMHO the best IS the C200 and Dune 3.0. If I could buy a Dune locally I probably would have gotten one.
Both companies have the best "middleware" developers bar none.
P.S.
The A200 already outputs Dolby Digital from Dolby TrueHD
Not possible in MKV. Only M2TS/BDMV. MKV requires a separate AC3 track because not all Bluray sources use core AC3 in their TrueHD implementations during authoring.
Also I doubt the Egreat can play a BDMV/M2TS coming from a NAS/PC. The same 42Mb/s limit is shared with ethernet so if you store a uncompressed m2ts on a PC and stream it to an 8635, it will stutter.
Pasensya na po again sa nosebleed. Medyo technical kasi ako so mahilig mag kutkot.
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The A200 is fugliest on the feel because its too bloody light and soft - good thing the only time I touched the device was during cable connection. The look itself is not much of a deal-breaker personally because (1) its black, low and barely visible in the HT rack and (2) the only time I actually stare at it is during power on/off to verify the color of the indicating light.
Well its performance reallly makes up for its case design.
No interest on the C200. I admit its better but the A200, except for HD audio support, can do everything I need. Besides, 20K is too close to the price of a decent PC already. But that's just my personal priority I guess.
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Not possible in MKV. Only M2TS/BDMV. MKV requires a separate AC3 track because not all Bluray sources use core AC3 in their TrueHD implementations during authoring.
Also I doubt the Egreat can play a BDMV/M2TS coming from a NAS/PC. The same 42Mb/s limit is shared with ethernet so if you store a uncompressed m2ts on a PC and stream it to an 8635, it will stutter.
You're making it cool yet complicated. Follow the path of the hypotenuse instead of the angles. Simplify the signal route...hehehe
Instead of MKV+HD Audio, BD25 is the better option. Smoother playback, cleaner image quality, better looking subs.
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Also I doubt the Egreat can play a BDMV/M2TS coming from a NAS/PC. The same 42Mb/s limit is shared with ethernet so if you store a uncompressed m2ts on a PC and stream it to an 8635, it will stutter.
To clear this issue, I have no problems streaming m2ts from bdmv structure coming from a NAS using an Egreat via NFS. No stuttering. PC is even better since http connection is faster than NFS.
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Instead of MKV+HD Audio, BD25 is the better option. Smoother playback, cleaner image quality, better looking subs.
I'm having problems using time seek on Eureka's BD25s. Is it working for you?
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I'm having problems using time seek on Eureka's BD25s. Is it working for you?
No problem at all with Time Seek and Chapter selection. Rabomil's simply incredible. Any specific Eureka BD ISO title?
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If you want the best, TVIX is the best but most expensive ...this probably is the real future-proof NMT ... the promised Jukebox, BD full menu playback, and HD Audio Passthrough (TrueHD, DTS-MA, Dolby Digital Plus) all works on TVIX M6500 ...you may refer to the TVIX M6500 topic on this forum ... my unit is almost 2 years, but a lot of its features have not been made available to the newer NMTs ...only downside is the slow boot time compared to the newer NMTs, but I won't exchange it for 2 brand new A200 :)
with your knowledge on tvix's, do you think the n1 cafe has the same features as the 6500 and 6600 but at a lower price? for only $125 in amazon, this looks way cooler than the PCH A200.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41VlDBCiDxL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
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with your knowledge on tvix's, do you think the n1 cafe has the same features as the 6500 and 6600 but at a lower price? for only $125 in amazon, this looks way cooler than the PCH A200.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41VlDBCiDxL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
this is similar to the M6600, reason for the lower price is that this is not capable of fitting internal drives
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True.
The only problem with the "old" Sigma 8635 was that it's limited by bandwidth, It could only allow movies up to 42Mb/sec bitrates without stutter.
BD50 structures (aka commercial BD) hits from 40~60Mb/sec bitrates for video streams.
It was a great chip during it's day pero it's passed it prime. If you play a straight uncompressed m2ts taken from a BDMV structure and play it on a 8635 based player, it WILL stutter which is what people noticed when AnyDVD succeeded to break DRM for Bluray and people started backing up their BD collections.
You also have to prepare because at the moment only DTSHD tracks come with Core DTS audio. Dolby unfortunately doesn't use this same method so if you have a MKV+Dolby TrueHD track, you need to ADD an additional AC3 track for playback on AVRs/TVs without TrueHD.
All the BDMV collections I have play smoothly on my M6500, which I believe is an 8635 based player ... that includes the menus with matching HD audio ... full BD rips are the best in sound and picture quality ... i guess it has a lot to do with the firmware that comes with the TVIX players ....this is also what separates the new M6600 model from the rest of the other Realtek based players if you read reviews outside of pdvd
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That's good you guys are happy. Yan ang important.
I use different files now to accurately test for bitrate. It's a lot more accurate than using rips.
Fact of the matter is hindi na kaya ng 8635 yung ibang test files I use now.
As for the Dvico 6500. There's no firmware updates for it. Here's a snippet from the discussion sa mpc why;
"The developer working on the 6500 and Sigma SDK left the company. Now they have their developer who works on the Realtek SDK and current models looking into it."
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"The developer working on the 6500 and Sigma SDK left the company. Now they have their developer who works on the Realtek SDK and current models looking into it."
The latest beta firmware update for the TVIX N1 Cafe model allows for "raw" HD audio passthrough ... not sure though if raw includes TrueHD and DTS-MA
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6600+ N1 uses Realtek chip that will passthrough HD Audio similar to the Xtreamer Pro and the Xtreamer Sidewinder.
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i thought the n1 was sigma based like the pch. kakawalang tiwala kase realtek after they published features that did not come into fruition with the first xtreamer. thanks raptor.
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Dvico shifted from Sigma to Realtek upon introduction of the N1 and the 6600.
They too were caught in the HD Audio fiasco when Realtek didn't have the licensing agreement in place with DTS and Dolby by the time the chips went to production so to avoid legal issues, the chips were hamstrung so that it wouldn't work.
Later on when it was found out, Realtek released proper versions of the 1073 now called 1073+. Only the models with the "+" have the proper silicon and license to process HD Audio streams.
Some media player companies were forthcoming about the problem and some weren't.
It's those who aren't forthcoming that are the problem because you don't know which product has the proper chip.
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Dvico shifted from Sigma to Realtek upon introduction of the N1 and the 6600.
They too were caught in the HD Audio fiasco when Realtek didn't have the licensing agreement in place with DTS and Dolby by the time the chips went to production so to avoid legal issues, the chips were hamstrung so that it wouldn't work.
Later on when it was found out, Realtek released proper versions of the 1073 now called 1073+. Only the models with the "+" have the proper silicon and license to process HD Audio streams.
Some media player companies were forthcoming about the problem and some weren't.
It's those who aren't forthcoming that are the problem because you don't know which product has the proper chip.
Nice info sir ...this is probably the reason why the M6600 was replaced by M6600 A/N Plus model
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Nice info sir ...this is probably the reason why the M6600 was replaced by M6600 A/N Plus model
Correct :)
If you guys wanna read more about it;
Realtek 1073DD+ / 1283DD+ Explained (http://www.iboum.com/blog/2010-june/realtek-1073-dd-plus.php)
Read carefully the last paragraph regarding "SDK" and pretty much yan ang hinihintay ng Realtek manufacturers in the same way Sigma manufacturers had to wait also. Sigma's are working long before but without the effing software pretty much walang magawa hanggang matapos sila.
Sigma took 6 effing months for the HD Audio SDK. Let's hope Realtek steps up because we really need competition in this space to keep them all honest and hopefully get better prices due to volume sales.
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No problem at all with Time Seek and Chapter selection. Rabomil's simply incredible. Any specific Eureka BD ISO title?
I only got From Paris with love, Alice in wonderland and Avatar. After encountering the problem, I went back to getting full bluray rips
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That's good you guys are happy. Yan ang important.
I use different files now to accurately test for bitrate. It's a lot more accurate than using rips.
Fact of the matter is hindi na kaya ng 8635 yung ibang test files I use now.
Experienced this too on my egreat 31b. I use the bird60.mkv and the bird90.mkv which stutters even on the internal drive. PCH and xtreamer plays these without problems.
To those buying NMTs, I suggest getting something that has an internal drive. USB 2.0 just won't handle high bit rate files. In my experience, usb connection can only play up to 35-40mbps bitrates
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Experienced this too on my egreat 31b. I use the bird60.mkv and the bird90.mkv which stutters even on the internal drive. PCH and xtreamer plays these without problems.
To those buying NMTs, I suggest getting something that has an internal drive. USB 2.0 just won't handle high bit rate files. In my experience, usb connection can only play up to 35-40mbps bitrates
Thanks :)
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I only got From Paris with love, Alice in wonderland and Avatar. After encountering the problem, I went back to getting full bluray rips
No problem on those titles in terms of Time Seek. I have the complete Eureka BD ISO releases.
However, there are some Eureka BD ISOs where if you press the "Start Movie" icon on the Main Menu, it seems to loop back. Checking on the info, the A200 seems to be playing certain short (total duration would be a few seconds to a minute or so as indicated in the Info) streams contained within the BD ISO that do not contain any image. By pressing the "Start Movie" repeatedly, the A200 seems to move forward through each of those "blank" streams, until you finally get to the main movie stream. Once there, Time Seek and Chapter selection all work well. From Paris With Love played that way, but Alice and Avatar played "straight" to the main movie.
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Experienced this too on my egreat 31b. I use the bird60.mkv and the bird90.mkv which stutters even on the internal drive. PCH and xtreamer plays these without problems.
Yes, the 31B has issues with MKV especially the huges ones but in terms of playback of BDMV structures, the only problem it has is the inability to recognize the playlist of seamless branching BD rips thus you end up starting a movie from the 20th minute for instance...I think this is a common problem in the first place and the A200 is the only player Ive actually tried that recognized the playlists correctly (with menu giving the option to choose the version you want to watch). But again, I cannot comment about those guys ripping their own BDs.
To those buying NMTs, I suggest getting something that has an internal drive. USB 2.0 just won't handle high bit rate files. In my experience, usb connection can only play up to 35-40mbps bitrates
I always connect HDDs on dock through USB2.0 or ESATA and I havent noticed any bit rate issues with the A200 or the Mede8er yet. I havent tried those bird stuff though - no need I think. Anyways no problem.
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Glad to learn these things here :)
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To those buying NMTs, I suggest getting something that has an internal drive. USB 2.0 just won't handle high bit rate files. In my experience, usb connection can only play up to 35-40mbps bitrates
USB 2.0 can reach 30 MBps, which is roughly 240 Mbps, more than enough for "high-bitrate" files.
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USB 2.0 can reach 30 MBps, which is roughly 240 Mbps, more than enough for "high-bitrate" files.
Yes theoretically it's possible, but iba ang real world results. I did have this problem before but no more.
What I've done to make sure USB attached drives perform nearly as well as internal SATA mounted drives is to make sure the drives are defragmented. As long as this is done, I've been able to avoid stutter on high bitrate mkv/bdmv/bd iso.
I do a defrag as soon as I hit 75% of the drive's total capacity.
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USB 2.0 can reach 30 MBps, which is roughly 240 Mbps, more than enough for "high-bitrate" files.
I don't consider 30MB/s or roughly 240 Mbps mkv file "high bit rate". Try around 50-60MB/s or 420Mbps.
Have you tried measuring the read rate of usb 2.0? Yes it can reach 30MB/s but I'd like to see you get 40MB-50MB/s
Claimed speed is different from the actual throughput(Real world)
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Yes theoretically it's possible, but iba ang real world results. I did have this problem before but no more.
The numbers I've posted are actual throughput speeds. USB 2.0 can theoretically go as fast as 400 Mbps or around 50 MBps. :)
I don't consider 30MB/s or roughly 240 Mbps mkv file "high bit rate". Try around 50-60MB/s or 420Mbps.
I have to admit that I do not have any 50-60 MB/s mkv files, I have blu-rays though. Wikipedia has this to say about blu-ray:
BD Video movies have a maximum data transfer rate of 54 Mbit/s, a maximum AV bitrate of 48 Mbit/s (for both audio and video data), and a maximum video bit rate of 40 Mbit/s.
Should be enough for USB 2.0, right? ???
Have you tried measuring the read rate of usb 2.0? Yes it can reach 30MB/s but I'd like to see you get 40MB-50MB/s
I have and I've never reached 40 MB/s, which is why I posted 30 MB/s. I actually got lower speeds on a Mac, btw, but that's another story.
Claimed speed is different from the actual throughput(Real world)
I understand that (used to be a SysOp), which is why I posted actual throughput speeds. :)
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The numbers I've posted are actual throughput speeds. USB 2.0 can theoretically go as fast as 400 Mbps or around 50 MBps. :)
theoretically? Well wikipedia stated that actual throughput of usb 2.0 is 2/3 of the claimed 54MB/s which equates to 35MB/s. My personal best is continuous 33MB/s on a windows system.
I have to admit that I do not have any 50-60 MB/s mkv files, I have blu-rays though. Wikipedia has this to say about blu-ray:
BD Video movies have a maximum data transfer rate of 54 Mbit/s, a maximum AV bitrate of 48 Mbit/s (for both audio and video data), and a maximum video bit rate of 40 Mbit/s.
Should be enough for USB 2.0, right? ???
from my experience, it is easier to stream m2ts files than mkv. I think high bitrate mkvs are really or more compressed hence the need for a more powerful chip to "decode".
I'd don't mind getting a media player without an internal drive as long as it has esata or usb 3.0 connection.
I have and I've never reached 40 MB/s, which is why I posted 30 MB/s. I actually got lower speeds on a Mac, btw, but that's another story.
2 posts above is the reason for asking 40MB/s
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theoretically? Well wikipedia stated that actual throughput of usb 2.0 is 2/3 of the claimed 54MB/s which equates to 35MB/s. My personal best is continuous 33MB/s on a windows system.
My "personal best" is 30 MB/s, which I measured myself in 2008 and which is what I posted in reply #63. I guess we do somewhat agree on "real world" speeds of USB 2.0 (30 MB/s, or 240 Mbps).
My apologies if my estimate of the theoretical throughput speeds is off by 4 MB/s. :)
from my experience, it is easier to stream m2ts files than mkv. I think high bitrate mkvs are really or more compressed hence the need for a more powerful chip to "decode".
2 posts above is the reason for asking 40MB/s
So I take it you have mkv files with a higher bitrate than blu-ray? :)
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Yup we have mkv/m2ts higher than bluray for testing;
Download this torrent link;
DVD5 Test Disc (http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/12661397/file.html)
In it there are mkv/m2ts with varying bitrates from 20 to 90 Mb/sec.
I use it to test streaming capability as well as checking how fast the CPU is on your media player to see what "chokes" it :)
Testing USB speeds on Media players... it's around 15~20MB/s only. That's because media player CPUs are slow compared to PCs. Using a PC with Turbo copy, fastest sustained USB read/write speed ko is around 25MB/s
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Wow - thats a huge file movie..
@ 50MB/s - a 90min movie (5400 seconds) would have a size of 270,000MB or 270GB file? i may have computed it wrong.. hehe
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Wow - thats a huge file movie..
@ 50MB/s - a 90min movie (5400 seconds) would have a size of 270,000MB or 270GB file? i may have computed it wrong.. hehe
The samples are very short (less than 30secs) but it's enough to demonstrate the dramatic difference what old media player powered by a slower chip vs newer models with faster processors can handle.
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My "personal best" is 30 MB/s, which I measured myself in 2008 and which is what I posted in reply #63. I guess we do somewhat agree on "real world" speeds of USB 2.0 (30 MB/s, or 240 Mbps).
My apologies if my estimate of the theoretical throughput speeds is off by 4 MB/s. :)
So I take it you have mkv files with a higher bitrate than blu-ray? :)
Yup. I also use the files that sci-fi posted. Also, the latest film I viewed that choked on the egreat is the movie Unthinkable 2010 1080p CHD. It peaked at around 54-58MB/s for a few seconds.
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That's why for scientific purposes, I make my own rips from BDMVs.
Iba ibang encoders, kanya kanyang style. Personally I prefer uncompressed MKV if possible para "untouched" yung bitrate coming from original. No quality loss, just conversion of video track from commercial H264/VC-1 to x264 which is public domain codec.
It's actually fascinating learning all about this media stuff and how it all works.
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Yup we have mkv/m2ts higher than bluray for testing;
Download this torrent link;
DVD5 Test Disc (http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/12661397/file.html)
In it there are mkv/m2ts with varying bitrates from 20 to 90 Mb/sec.
I use it to test streaming capability as well as checking how fast the CPU is on your media player to see what "chokes" it :)
Thanks for the link. I've always been looking for something like this. :)
Testing USB speeds on Media players... it's around 15~20MB/s only. That's because media player CPUs are slow compared to PCs. Using a PC with Turbo copy, fastest sustained USB read/write speed ko is around 25MB/s
In any case, the 15 MB/s (or 90 Mbps) actual throughput of USB 2.0 on NMT's should be enough for regular high-bitrate mkv's and BD rips, right?
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Yup. I also use the files that sci-fi posted. Also, the latest film I viewed that choked on the egreat is the movie Unthinkable 2010 1080p CHD. It peaked at around 54-58MB/s for a few seconds.
with that, i guess it will stutter if thru usb2.0.. can the a200 chip handle that bitrate? on paper, what is the max bitrate can the new sigma chip able to decode?
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Yup. I also use the files that sci-fi posted. Also, the latest film I viewed that choked on the egreat is the movie Unthinkable 2010 1080p CHD. It peaked at around 54-58MB/s for a few seconds.
I think you mean 54-58 Mbits/s. :)
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with that, i guess it will stutter if thru usb2.0.. can the a200 chip handle that bitrate? on paper, what is the max bitrate can the new sigma chip able to decode?
Theoretically if Syabas claims it can do Real3D in the future, then that's 2x50Mb/s streams.
But again, don't worry about it. Ignorance is bliss. If your current player handles everything you throw at it then it's the best player out there.
It's when it stops handling what you want that it's time to get a better one.
Currently the highest bitrates one can find on commercial BD is no more than 60Mb/s but that's not sustained. There are peaks and valleys to every movie so meron ways media players cope using buffering for those short bursts.
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Thanks for the link. I've always been looking for something like this. :)
In any case, the 15 MB/s (or 90 Mbps) actual throughput of USB 2.0 on NMT's should be enough for regular high-bitrate mkv's and BD rips, right?
You're most welcome.
When I use those files, bagsak yung WIRELESS streaming ko. I can't stream even higher than 24Mb/s that's why I gave up on the wireless streaming :(
USB 2.0 is ok naman pero if I had to guarantee it... I can't. Just pray that 99% of the time it's a-ok.
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I think you mean 54-58 Mbits/s. :)
Nope I think I meant GB ;)
with that, i guess it will stutter if thru usb2.0.. can the a200 chip handle that bitrate? on paper, what is the max bitrate can the new sigma chip able to decode?
Yes it will stutter if thru usb 2.0 but it will play if installed on the internal drive. I was also able to play it via ethernet(network)
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You're most welcome.
When I use those files, bagsak yung WIRELESS streaming ko. I can't stream even higher than 24Mb/s that's why I gave up on the wireless streaming :(
USB 2.0 is ok naman pero if I had to guarantee it... I can't. Just pray that 99% of the time it's a-ok.
Maybe it's the wireless router that you are using? check small network builders. Different Wireless N routers have different throughput upstream and downstream. I have no problems with a belkin N+
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You're most welcome.
When I use those files, bagsak yung WIRELESS streaming ko. I can't stream even higher than 24Mb/s that's why I gave up on the wireless streaming :(
I'll try it on my 300 Mbps wireless setup. I get, at most, around 21 Mbps on it (w/in 5 feet unobstructed), which means the video files on this test disc will probably make it croak. :)
Nope I think I meant GB ;)
Good for you, then. :D
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Maybe it's the wireless router that you are using? check small network builders. Different Wireless N routers have different throughput upstream and downstream. I have no problems with a belkin N+
I think its because of the encryption (WPA2) putting undue lag. Anyway, I'm more than happy with the wired setup. Less headaches pa.
I'll get back to wifi sometime later pag naayos na firmware ng PCH 200 series to a point na happing-happy na me :)
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... happing-happy na me :)
Jejemon? hehe j/k ;)
Anyway, after using a usb dongle(CDR King) on the front usb input of the PCh, the thing became so hot that i felt the plastic case of both the dongle and PCH will melt.
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Guys quick question, total noob here. How do you view the movie cover? Is there a way to make the cover appear while going thru the movie titles in the library?
Edit: hmm.. there's a preview button i havent pressed yet ;D
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and the winner is.. :D
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Already got the Xtreamer Sidewinder ;D
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I use wdtv live. rip my blu ray movie to m2ts, wonderful.
the HDTV LIVE unit doesn't support the DDTRUEHD audio
http://www.pavtube.com/guide/get-blu-ray-mkv-with-5.1-sound.html
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information overload :o