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High-Def => Blu-ray Content => Topic started by: angrybanana on Aug 19, 2010 at 07:03 PM
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http://www.starwars.com/themovies/saga/mebd/bluray/index.html
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This is such big news that it needs it's own thread ;D
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‘Star Wars’ Gets New Tweaks for Blu-ray Release
George Lucas has been making changes to "Star Wars" for nearly as long as it's been in existence. When the original film was re-released in 1981, the opening text was revised to include "Episode IV: A New Hope" as a subtitle. And he's continued to update the picture and sound in new versions of the movies, from 1997's "Special Editions" to the DVD release in 2004.
So it shouldn't come as a surprise that when Lucas prepped both the original trilogy and the prequels for their debut on Blu-ray, he'd make some more adjustments to the films. And while fans have been upset about some of the changes made in earlier revisions -- most notoriously making Greedo shoot at Han Solo first -- the new editions actually address some things true "Star Wars" geeks have complained about for years.
Click here to read about the other key changes / insertions into the new BD release >
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/star-wars-gets-tweaks-blu-ray-release-232658967.html (http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/star-wars-gets-tweaks-blu-ray-release-232658967.html)
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The new tweaks for Star Wars Blu-ray
CGI Yoda in Phantom Menace :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_796574&feature=iv&v=ywoUBV_pOiI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_796574&feature=iv&v=ywoUBV_pOiI)
New Krayt Dragon call for A new hope :-\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0EUjobdavw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0EUjobdavw)
Blinking Ewok eyes :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnLgh3dudSk&annotation_id=annotation_331999&feature=iv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnLgh3dudSk&annotation_id=annotation_331999&feature=iv)
Vader screams "NoOoO" in Return of the Jedi :o :P ??? >:( >:( >:(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27RVJJfny4I&annotation_id=annotation_900451&feature=iv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27RVJJfny4I&annotation_id=annotation_900451&feature=iv)
Audio is a bit out of sync according to the poster.
Noooooooooooooooo! :D
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Further proof that George Lucas is full of it. His argument for the changes he made for the Special Edition was that special effects weren't good enough back in the day to bring his vision to life blah blah blah. Now he's mucking up lines that could easily have been dubbed in back in 1983 to "suit his vision". pfft.
I am hereby cancelling the preorder I never ordered in the first place.
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I am hereby cancelling the preorder I never ordered in the first place.
Same here!
But I wouldn't mind receiving one as a Christmas gift... hehehe... ;D
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Further proof that George Lucas is full of it. His argument for the changes he made for the Special Edition was that special effects weren't good enough back in the day to bring his vision to life blah blah blah. Now he's mucking up lines that could easily have been dubbed in back in 1983 to "suit his vision". pfft.
I am hereby cancelling the preorder I never ordered in the first place.
Amen to that.
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I guess we'll never get the "real" Star Wars movie trilogy ever again. Thank god for the 2006 DVD release which had the unaltered, as seen in cinemas back in 1977-1983, versions.
Or did it?
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I can live with the Yoda tweak and blinking Ewoks but.....
The worst tweak for me is adding the "Noooooo" for Vader in ROTJ >:( >:( >:(
The scene was already perfect as it is.
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That scene with Vader wordlessly turning his head several times from force-lightning blasting emperor to blasted Luke is powerful. The Noooo is a no-no
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I guess we'll never get the "real" Star Wars movie trilogy ever again. Thank god for the 2006 DVD release which had the unaltered, as seen in cinemas back in 1977-1983, versions.
Or did it?
It supposedly did, but it was non-anamorphic widescreen, so I passed.
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I guess we'll never get the "real" Star Wars movie trilogy ever again. Thank god for the 2006 DVD release which had the unaltered, as seen in cinemas back in 1977-1983, versions.
Or did it?
I think Greedo shot first on the 2006 version.
Why can't freakin Lucas just release the original theatrical versions? Does he really like pooping on everybody's childhood? >:(
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I think Greedo shot first on the 2006 version.
Yes. But not in the 1977 version which is included in the 2-DVD set.
Lucas honestly believes he is improving his films with these changes. I think he's the world's first revisionist filmmaker.
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If only Lucas had like 45 minutes of additional scenes per movie similar to that of LOTR EE.
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Get the VHS copy if you want the Original Theatrical versions... ;D
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I usually don't mind the tweaks that Lucas has done with the past releases. Actually, I'm interested to see Yoda in CG for Episode I. However, Vader screaming no in ROTJ sounds really baaad.
But will still buy it. Bad packaging and all.
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Further proof that George Lucas is full of it. His argument for the changes he made for the Special Edition was that special effects weren't good enough back in the day to bring his vision to life blah blah blah. Now he's mucking up lines that could easily have been dubbed in back in 1983 to "suit his vision". pfft.
I am hereby cancelling the preorder I never ordered in the first place.
Ever since i watch the plinkett reviews from red letter media(if you haven't seen it you should watch ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI)), i no longer see george lucas as great director, but more like a businessman and a hack. He is a terrible director and adding these changes in the new starwars bluray edits will add nothing but crap.
"NOOOOOOOOOOO!"
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You would have thought otherwise of Lucas had you just seen American Graffitti. Of which, interestingly, he doesn't seem to re-edit.
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You would have thought otherwise of Lucas had you just seen American Graffitti. Of which, interestingly, he doesn't seem to re-edit.
He's lost it . i think the rot actually started with "episode 6". *edit* thanks dencio105 spotting this.
since starwars was his best film why does he need to add all this cgi and mess everything up?
In other words hes "episode oneing" the classic trilogy
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Lucas keeps saying that these changes are being made to uphold his true vision of the film. But he keeps making change after change that it's hard to see what his vision really is, if ever there was one in the first place.
The changes were already made years ago. He had the technology. Why didn't he do those changes back then? Why does he keep making them in the first place?
Because he knows he can change every scene of the original trilogy and fans will still buy them no matter how diluted the movie becomes.
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He should do new movies instead- about maybe the really old jedi or Skywalker's descendants. Quinlan Vos in the comics is cool. He is a force-lightning capable jedi.
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He's lost it . i think the rot actually started with episode 5.
since starwars was his best film why does he need to add all this cgi and mess everything up?
In other words hes "episode oneing" the classic trilogy
Sir do you really mean Episode 5, The Empire Strikes Back or are you referring to the 5th film released, Attack of The Clones? A lot of critics and Star Wars fans consider The Empire Strikes Back as the best film in the series.
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Most hardcore fans are not buying the bd release. Shame on you, George. Its good that Peter Jackson didn't tweak the LOTR bd release.
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Dami na reservation sa FS ni sir anya618 http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,145994.0/topicseen.html#lastPost (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,145994.0/topicseen.html#lastPost)
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One thing's for sure. The original Star Wars trilogy we saw when we were young isn't the same one we're seeing now.
If Georgie-boy comes out with the original, unaltered trilogy as an individual set, I won't care if it's non-anamorphic. That's the one I'm getting.
But then, that potential release would undercut the sales of the altered movies. So, it'll probably never happen.
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My childhood has been ravaged and raped! >:(
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/tv-film/the-hypocrisy-of-star-wars-on-blu-ray/
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The one thing that's bugging me is, why are people getting this blu-ray? There's going to be another version with added effects and characters in about three years.
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Nice one indie....Hahaha!
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Let me see, I bought the S-VHS set in the 90s during the special release - watched the tapes twice at least I think
Then I also bought the entire DVD collection last decade in addition to watching the 3 newer ones in the moviehouse.
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so jar jar is digitally removed in this new release?
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I FIRST saw Star Wars in Republic Theater in Libertad Pasay in 1978. Libertad then was quite upscale comparatively, light years away from the grimy, filth-encrusted place it is now. Could never understand why we pug-nosed, hopelessly brown, Third World-er Pinoys would go along with white people going crazy over George Lucas & his Star Wars. But I won't fault this man from altering his work especially if it'll help upgrade the SFX of the near-35 year old film and sequels. Star Wars is no Cecil B. DeMille epic or a Technicolor musical, its a space fantasy, the creator should be given the creative license to improve his motion picture - given that an aged fellow like me who saw the original does indeed contends that some segments are crudely done, or half-baked technologically. To update Star Wars for the present century and viewers, is like giving titanium bones & spine to an 85 year old, rejuvenate his skin to that of a 55 year old and bring back his intimacy desires as if he's just in the median 45.
And if Lucas is indeed serious to alter yet again when the state of art Blu Ray resolution is at 4K, kindly remove Samuel Jackson. That nasty-faced, overrated sanggano is a blight to every picture he's got an appearance. Why would Lucas has to choose likewise to be politically-correct, by hiring this black just so that the casting is democratized like Hollywood dictate it so? Nasty-face has played Jedi sage (more like a humanoid from the other planet-ary confederation), Agent S.H.I.E.L.D. (Shield is white, why make him like a black-uniformed Spiderman, that Venom?), violin maker - bwahaha!
Kaya order na kayo kay Philip, this is a rejuvenated Star Wars, and BD no less....
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Being a star wars freak, ;D I will surely get this. I can't wait.
Review in blu-ray.com is out.
Star Wars Blu-ray
Blu-ray review
Movie 4.0 of 5 4.0
Video 4.0 of 5 4.0
Audio 5.0 of 5 5.0
Extras 4.5 of 5 4.5
Overall 5.0 of 5 5.0
The moment is finally here. On Friday, George Lucas' epic Star Wars saga will make its debut on Blu-ray in HD for everyone to enjoy. So the question on everyone's mind naturally is, does the Star Wars Blu-ray release live up to the expectations? Luckily, Blu-ray.com's own staff reviewer Casey Broadwater has the answer.
While the new Star Wars video transfers/restorations represent "an exponential leap in picture refinement, integrity, and clarity from previous DVD releases" and for the most part look wonderful, the first two Star Wars prequels, especially The Phantom Menace, leave some to be desired. The good news is that the original Star Wars trilogy doesn't disappoint. Casey concludes "I can't imagine these three films looking much better than they do here. I suppose it's possible, but I'll leave that for Lucas to figure out."
As for the audio, it's good news all around. "I don't even need to write up separate audio reviews for each of the films. You know why? Because these lossless DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 surround tracks are perfect."
To summarize Casey's thoughts about the Star Wars Blu-ray release, "The films have never looked or sounded better—Episodes III-VI are particularly impressive—and they come with a fantastic collection of special features." and is highly recommended.
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Nice one Raymond, I know you're very impatient...let me know when u get this, I wana take a look too... ;D
Wow in Amazon, so many fanboys are screaming murder at Lucas... :o Blu-ray.com rates it 5-star so I guess the fanboys are over acting... ;D Over 840+ 1-star rating!! U can check out at the Amazon feedbacks:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/product-reviews/B003ZSJ212/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
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Say what they want to say but just note that the image and sound quality of this release is simply ASTOUNDING!
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Say what they want to say but just note that the image and sound quality of this release is simply ASTOUNDING!
Agree! They are missing out the BIG picture. Isn't it great video & great audio is what Blu-ray all about? Can't wait to get mine! :D
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Nah, they're missing out on the LITTLE picture, since primarily it's the integrity of the work that's important, and how good it looks on home video should be the secondary concern for any true lover of film as an art. :P
Steven Spielberg weighs in on the controversy. He gets it. :) :
How does Steven Spielberg feel about the tweaks that his friend and frequent collaborator George Lucas continually makes to the Star Wars movies, often to their detriment? "That's a little hot topic, isn't it?" Spielberg said to laughter at a 30th anniversary screening of Raiders of the Lost Ark in Los Angeles this week. "Speaking for myself, you know, I tried this once and I lived to regret it. Not because of fan outrage, but simply because I was disappointed in myself. I was overly sensitive to some of the criticism E.T. got from parent groups when it was first released in '82 having to do with Elliott saying 'Penis Breath' or the guns ... and then there were certain brilliant but rough-around-the-edges close ups of E.T. that I always felt, if technology ever evolves to the point where I can do some facial enhancement for E.T. I'd like to." And so Spielberg did, but after releasing the new version theatrically, "I realized that what I had done was I had robbed the people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T. And I regretted that." Be good, Steve.
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/09/spielberg_regrets_et.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Fvulture+%28Vulture+-+nymag.com%27s+Entertainment+and+Culture+Blog%29
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wow cant wait to have a copy of this, over 40hours of bonus features. Out na cya sa d2 sa sg pero sobrang mahal, 189sgd x 34.30.
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Star Wars on Bluray is the best version you can get at the moment in terms of PQ and SQ, so if Lucas' tinkering, does not bother you, then by all means, get the Bluray.
I think all the brouhaha is because:
1. it is done so long after the original have come out (director's cuts are, after all, common these days).
2. George Lucas does not make the original version available simultaneously, and the last time it was made available, it was a half-hearted release.
3. this isn't the first time it happened.
4. and most importantly, most of the time, the changes do not benefit the film one bit.
I read an article that the original Star Wars was nominated for numerous Oscars, and Lucas' tinkering is an insult to the original crew who worked on the films.
But despite my own reservations, I will get it, and given, that I am not someone who knows every detail about Star Wars, would probably miss the changes, unless I read them on the internet...But for sure, I will notice that '"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
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Nice one Raymond, I know you're very impatient...let me know when u get this, I wana take a look too... ;D
Wow in Amazon, so many fanboys are screaming murder at Lucas... :o Blu-ray.com rates it 5-star so I guess the fanboys are over acting... ;D Over 840+ 1-star rating!! U can check out at the Amazon feedbacks:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/product-reviews/B003ZSJ212/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
;D Yes I'm indeed impatient ;D. Everyday I check my email to see if amazon shipped it out already. So far they haven't. :(
I always loved star wars bec. it brings out the kid in me again. ;D Paul, imagine watching this in your home theater setup or in Streetsmart's setup. Oh man, I think it will be mighty awesome.
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sir Paul,
When you do get Star Wars BD, please do inform me.
I would like to see it your HT :D :D
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Nah, they're missing out on the LITTLE picture, since primarily it's the integrity of the work that's important, and how good it looks on home video should be the secondary concern for any true lover of film as an art. :P
Steven Spielberg weighs in on the controversy. He gets it. :) :
How does Steven Spielberg feel about the tweaks that his friend and frequent collaborator George Lucas continually makes to the Star Wars movies, often to their detriment? "That's a little hot topic, isn't it?" Spielberg said to laughter at a 30th anniversary screening of Raiders of the Lost Ark in Los Angeles this week. "Speaking for myself, you know, I tried this once and I lived to regret it. Not because of fan outrage, but simply because I was disappointed in myself. I was overly sensitive to some of the criticism E.T. got from parent groups when it was first released in '82 having to do with Elliott saying 'Penis Breath' or the guns ... and then there were certain brilliant but rough-around-the-edges close ups of E.T. that I always felt, if technology ever evolves to the point where I can do some facial enhancement for E.T. I'd like to." And so Spielberg did, but after releasing the new version theatrically, "I realized that what I had done was I had robbed the people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T. And I regretted that." Be good, Steve.
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/09/spielberg_regrets_et.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Fvulture+%28Vulture+-+nymag.com%27s+Entertainment+and+Culture+Blog%29
+1 to this.
The Star Wars I first saw in the cinema when I was young isn't what's on this BD release. The nature of it has changed so much that it's a completely different movie. And Lucas doesn't want to give me his original masterpiece, even though I'm willing to pay for it.
Sure, there are other movies that have been re-released as "re-mastered". Blade Runner comes to mind. But, unlike Scott's film, the vision of Star Wars as it was made will never come back.
The original trilogy wasn't parts IV, V, and VI. Anakin Skywalker never reverted to his younger self in Return of the Jedi. Vader's betrayal of his master was silent. And Han shot first.
I hear the picture quality and sound are HT excellent. So does practically every other Blu-Ray release out there. What makes this one any special?
What's special is this series isn't for us who knew that story. It's for a different generation that's been given a whole different story. And when Lucas re-releases Star Wars in 2021, the alterations he'll definitely make will be for that generation.
Who knows? Maybe he'll digitally get rid of Jar-Jar Binks and Anakin Skywalker on that future release. For once, I'll agree to change.
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I honestly don't think seeing Hayden (instead of Sebastian Shaw) at the end of ROTJ is worth the price of admission. :(
Sana talaga may original theatrical release na available on blu-ray.
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;D Yes I'm indeed impatient ;D. Everyday I check my email to see if amazon shipped it out already. So far they haven't. :(
I always loved star wars bec. it brings out the kid in me again. ;D Paul, imagine watching this in your home theater setup or in Streetsmart's setup. Oh man, I think it will be mighty awesome.
Hehe I can feel your excitement Raymond... ;) In this case, bring your SW BD over my place to do demo hehe
sir Paul, When you do get Star Wars BD, please do inform me.
I would like to see it your HT :D :D
That will depend on Raymond if he is willing hehe ;D
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But despite my own reservations, I will get it, and given, that I am not someone who knows every detail about Star Wars, would probably miss the changes, unless I read them on the internet...But for sure, I will notice that '"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
haha most ordinary folks are in the same boat as you bro. Will all these changes hinder my enjoyment for these films? I would certainly say: NOOOOO!! ;D
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I find the Blu-ray.com reviewer Casey Broadwater to be rational rather than emotional:
"No, the "untouched" original trilogy is not included. Yes, there are some goofy new additions, like Darth Vader yelling "NOOOOO" as he throws Emperor Palpatine over the railing. I don't think anyone expected this release of The Complete Saga to be free of controversy. But come on. It's Star Wars. On Blu-ray. This is a once-in-a-technological-generation event, and if your hatred of George Lucas' revisionist tinkerings keeps you from enjoying some of your favorite films in high definition, you're missing out. Believe me, I share your pain.
Whenever I hear that stupid funk song inside Jabba's palace, I cringe like a man being forced to bite down on tin foil or chew sand. It's almost physically painful. But I'm done being bitter. I'm playing the long game. One of these days, Lucas will wise up and realize that the original trilogy—in its original form—is a culturally and historically important piece of pop art that belongs to its fans. But until that day, I'm going to enjoy this Blu-ray box set. The films have never looked or sounded better— Episodes III-VI are particularly impressive—and they come with a fantastic collection of special features. Highly Recommended!"
Well said Casey! :)
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I honestly don't think seeing Hayden (instead of Sebastian Shaw) at the end of ROTJ is worth the price of admission. :(
That one scene ruined ROTJ. It was out of context and Hayden's posture was distant. The popular explanation was his image was taken during a makeup and costume screen test. Hence, the disjointed nature of the scene.
I find the Blu-ray.com reviewer Casey Broadwater to be rational rather than emotional:
"No, the "untouched" original trilogy is not included. Yes, there are some goofy new additions, like Darth Vader yelling "NOOOOO" as he throws Emperor Palpatine over the railing. I don't think anyone expected this release of The Complete Saga to be free of controversy. But come on. It's Star Wars. On Blu-ray. This is a once-in-a-technological-generation event, and if your hatred of George Lucas' revisionist tinkerings keeps you from enjoying some of your favorite films in high definition, you're missing out. Believe me, I share your pain.
Whenever I hear that stupid funk song inside Jabba's palace, I cringe like a man being forced to bite down on tin foil or chew sand. It's almost physically painful. But I'm done being bitter. I'm playing the long game. One of these days, Lucas will wise up and realize that the original trilogy—in its original form—is a culturally and historically important piece of pop art that belongs to its fans. But until that day, I'm going to enjoy this Blu-ray box set. The films have never looked or sounded better— Episodes III-VI are particularly impressive—and they come with a fantastic collection of special features. Highly Recommended!"
Well said Casey! :)
Yup. That sums it up. A movie for technology enthusiasts everywhere :)
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But come on. It's Star Wars. On Blu-ray. This is a once-in-a-technological-generation event...
Then the 3D version will come out, with even more revisions. :(
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Pinuyat ako ng Episodes II and III kagabi but really getting old as I opened my eyes at exactly the same time I always do every morning.
Gustong nilang isnabin? Bahala sila. Sila rin ;D ;D ;D. I am actually amazed that some people remember every single detail of the original trilogy. hehehe.
I for one rarely watch catalogue titles but Star Wars in Bluray thus far, is certainly worth my time, Jar Jar Binks nothwithstanding - that character really sucks. But the more I watch Star Wars, the more I feel that there are too many cartoonish characters that Lucas could have gone without.
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I'm a big fan of star wars, cant wait to see it myself in BD.
I for one hope that they release fully restored EPISODE 4-6 in BD, with NO additional footages, and free of CGI. If Criterion would do this, then that would be perfect.
I'm still getting the recently released BDs, even if Darth Vader is said to say "NOOOOOO!"
May the force be with all of you!
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Pinuyat ako ng Episodes II and III kagabi but really getting old as I opened my eyes at exactly the same time I always do every morning.
Gustong nilang isnabin? Bahala sila. Sila rin ;D ;D ;D. I am actually amazed that some people remember every single detail of the original trilogy. hehehe.
I for one rarely watches catalogue titles but Star Wars in Bluray thus far, is certainly worth my time, Jar Jar Binks nothwithstanding - that character really sucks. But the more I watch Star Wars, the more I feel that there are too many cartoonish characters that Lucas could have gone without.
Jarjar can really be annoying. I love the original trilogy, watched it a lot during childhood on VHS, hehe.
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Hitlers reaction on said changes. ;D
http://youtu.be/NBP_U5VAB-Q (http://youtu.be/NBP_U5VAB-Q)
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Why a Boycott of ‘Star Wars’ Won’t Work
14 Sep, 2011 By: John Latchem
The latest uproar among ‘Star Wars’ fans over changes to the films has led some to call for a boycott of the new Blu-ray edition of the saga that hits Sept. 16. The thinking is that poor sales of these edited versions will somehow convince George Lucas to release the unaltered original versions on Blu-ray.
It’s a fine sentiment that I think is just a bit misguided since it doesn’t take into account the bigger picture. There are several reasons I believe such a boycott will never have the desired effect:
1) “Star Wars” as a brand has grown beyond the original trilogy. I think at this point Lucas could stick all versions of the original trilogy in a drawer somewhere and never release them again and still rake in millions from “Star Wars.” Beyond the merchandising, the “Clone Wars”-era movies and shows have become a hugely popular aspect of the franchise with the younger generation, who actually consider the original trilogy to be weak, too slow and devoid of enough action to satisfy them. This highlights the generational gap that is driving calls for a boycott, and as the documentary The People vs. George Lucas points out, a lot of these older fans have simply not been able to “grow up” since first seeing Star Wars, and thus their protest is a way of demonstrating their love for the franchise beyond the newer crop of fans.
2) Lucas doesn’t believe the original versions represent his vision of the films. This point really comes down to the dichotomy of Lucas the businessman versus Lucas the artist. As an artist, Lucas has previously stated, during the debate over colorizing old films, that he doesn’t believe works of art should be altered. But his later actions indicate it’s OK if the changes are done by the artists themselves. Obviously, the fans think this is hogwash and make the claim, as “South Park” did, that once released, films and other works of art belong to the culture. Lucas is toeing a tricky line here because he has spent the better part of 30 years redefining what “Star Wars” means, and then acting as if the redefinition was the way it has always been. He says a film is never finished, simply abandoned, and that he always wanted to go back and correct things he wasn’t able to do before. So whatever the latest version of “Star Wars” is represents his true vision of the films. This means, ironically, that the original versions cheapen his current version in a way, and dilute his true vision, which may be why he’s so opposed to really putting them out there despite the fact there is high demand for them and they would probably make money. He is, in essence, taking a stand as an artist against corporate greed, which may be his own personal protest against the notion that his vast media empire has become the very kind of big business he used to complain about as a naïve young filmmaker. This is probably also the main reason he refuses to officially release The Star Wars Holiday Special. Whether or not his own artistic sensibilities have diluted over the years is a matter of debate. Further complicating the issue is that he has held onto the rights to distribute the films, something a lot of other creators don’t really have. So it’s not like the original versions don’t still exist. Those just aren’t the versions Lucas wants the public to see.
3) The original versions were already released. Lucasfilm put the original versions on the 2006 individual versions of the original trilogy, with one disc as the special edition and the other the theatrical version as a bonus feature. Now, this re-release reportedly didn’t sell according to expectations, so if one were to interpret this from a capitalist perspective, one could make the claim that if the versions with the theatrical cut didn’t sell that would be an argument AGAINST releasing these in the future. This of course ignores the fatigue fans must have been feeling about seeing a new VHS/DVD “Star Wars” release every two years, and the fact that the versions of the DVD were non-anamorphic transfers used for the 1993 laserdisc. But that doesn’t negate the fact that they’re out there. Fans want to harp about their omission from the Blu-ray, but they don’t complain that nearly all the previous bonus material ever released is also absent from the Blu-ray, meaning to keep it all they’d have to hold onto their old copies anyway. As an aside, I find it a bit amusing that a lot of fans in badmouthing the Blu-ray version have expressed their contentment with simply holding onto those old laserdiscs, even though that DVD version has got to be a lot more convenient.
4) Lucas is about more than “Star Wars.” While Lucas will always and forever be linked to the franchise he created, it is not the only thing driving him creatively. It’s always seemed to me that Lucas has had a love-hate relationship with “Star Wars.” I think he loves his creation and is happy it has been so successful, but I think he regrets how that success in some ways prevented him from making the smaller, more personal films he always dreamed of making. So even if no one bought any more “Star Wars” products ever again starting now, I think Lucas would see that as the franchise running its course, and he’d count that as a blessing that it’s time to move on. He still has “Indiana Jones” to milk, and though he never wanted the corporate power he now has, he has managed to extend his hands into a lot of ancillary businesses. Lucasfilm even licenses the term “Droid” to Motorola. Are the boycotters going to suggest people stop buying cell phones? Even if Lucas is deprived of incoming cash from a massive "Star Wars" boycott and needs funds for other projects, he shouldn't have any trouble teaming with any number of studios or sponsors. After all, he's George Lucas.
5) Why should Lucas care? I’ve always gotten a sense that Lucas is a bit passive-aggressive about “Star Wars.” He’s happy to reap in the millions of dollars it brings him, but he wouldn’t mind if it went away and he could focus on other things. Or he could just retire completely and sit on the piles of money he already has. So maybe the belligerence over the original versions is fueled by this apathy. We know he has a sense of humor about it, since he’s worn “Han Shot First” shirts in public. He knows the fans hate some of the changes. Maybe he’s thinking if he pushes these fans enough, they’ll go away. Which isn’t to say Lucas hates the fans, since he has always been supportive of the fan community (which a cynical person would say is just a way to keep them buying stuff). But he’s made it this far re-releasing the films without considering the fans, so why stop now? He’s been altering these films since they first came out in 1977. He probably sees the more vocal haters as a small fringe and doesn’t care what they think. And if just the fans of the original trilogy go away, he still has “The Clone Wars.” So he’s really, kind of brilliantly, hedged his bets here. There’s nothing more dangerous than a man who doesn’t really care.
My point is not that fans shouldn’t complain or take action. If that gives them a sense of purpose (however illusory it may be), then more power to them. Just don’t be surprised if the result is not what was intended.
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Hehe I can feel your excitement Raymond... ;) In this case, bring your SW BD over my place to do demo hehe
That will depend on Raymond if he is willing hehe ;D
;D Anytime, just get the food and champagne ready hehehe.. ;D
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;D Anytime, just get the food and champagne ready hehehe.. ;D
Uy! StarWars Movie EB!?
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Why a Boycott of ‘Star Wars’ Won’t Work
14 Sep, 2011 By: John Latchem
The latest uproar among ‘Star Wars’ fans over changes to the films has led some to call for a boycott of the new Blu-ray edition of the saga that hits Sept. 16. The thinking is that poor sales of these edited versions will somehow convince George Lucas to release the unaltered original versions on Blu-ray.
It’s a fine sentiment that I think is just a bit misguided since it doesn’t take into account the bigger picture. There are several reasons I believe such a boycott will never have the desired effect:
1) a lot of these older fans have simply not been able to “grow up” since first seeing Star Wars, and thus their protest is a way of demonstrating their love for the franchise beyond the newer crop of fans.
2) Lucas doesn’t believe the original versions represent his vision of the films.
3) The original versions were already released. Lucasfilm put the original versions on the 2006 individual versions of the original trilogy, with one disc as the special edition and the other the theatrical version as a bonus feature. Now, this re-release reportedly didn’t sell according to expectations, so if one were to interpret this from a capitalist perspective, one could make the claim that if the versions with the theatrical cut didn’t sell that would be an argument AGAINST releasing these in the future. This of course ignores the fatigue fans must have been feeling about seeing a new VHS/DVD “Star Wars” release every two years, and the fact that the versions of the DVD were non-anamorphic transfers used for the 1993 laserdisc. But that doesn’t negate the fact that they’re out there. Fans want to harp about their omission from the Blu-ray, but they don’t complain that nearly all the previous bonus material ever released is also absent from the Blu-ray, meaning to keep it all they’d have to hold onto their old copies anyway. As an aside, I find it a bit amusing that a lot of fans in badmouthing the Blu-ray version have expressed their contentment with simply holding onto those old laserdiscs, even though that DVD version has got to be a lot more convenient.
My point is not that fans shouldn’t complain or take action. If that gives them a sense of purpose (however illusory it may be), then more power to them. Just don’t be surprised if the result is not what was intended.
Personally, I'm not calling for a boycott simply because this bluray release wasn't meant for me in the first place. It's for the current generation of fans. So, kebs ko dyan ;D But, if sales are affected negatively... that's just schadenfreude ::)
On #2, Lucas doesn't have a vision for Star Wars. We all know he'll make more changes in 10-15 years on the next generation hi def format altering the "original vision" he had on blu-ray. Better yet, he might re-release this on blu-ray again with "enhanced" visuals and "special features" in 5 years.
On #3, the author answered it already. The original theatrical release didn't get the respect it deserved, thus, poor sales. End of story.
Yeah, everyone knows Lucas sleeps on a bed made out of fans' money and he doesn't care what people think of his actions. That doesn't mean we should stop forming opinions. Who does he think he is?
I believe we'll be seeing more articles from George Lucas apologists like this in the coming weeks.
Overall, the article just validates the fact that this current blu-ray release isn't about Star Wars at all. It's about a work of art versus technology. This was made for people's home theater systems, not nostalgia or "art" or story.
For home theater systems! ;D
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The only reason I'm buying a bluray of the series is because I want to see Star Wars in HD. I've seen the original version and wouldn't mind watching it in the best possible video my TV can put out. I can live through the changes because it's a "little" compromise for me as long as the story from a galaxy far, far, away doesn't significantly change it. All this sheet could've been avoided if Lucas just put two versions in HD: the original and the updated one.
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The only reason I'm buying a bluray of the series is because I want to see Star Wars in HD. I've seen the original version and wouldn't mind watching it in the best possible video my TV can put out. I can live through the changes because it's a "little" compromise for me as long as the story from a galaxy far, far, away doesn't significantly change it. All this sheet could've been avoided if Lucas just put two versions in HD: the original and the updated one.
Like Steven Spielberg did with the past E.T.: The Extraterrestrial DVD release and future blu-ray release. That's one reason fans aren't being too hard on him.
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If you'll just compare Spielberg to Lucas just take a closer look on their filmography....and the answer lies there. Maybe Lucas should listen to the rant of the fans and cinephiles regarding their opinions and release also the original version on bd.
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I will wait at the discount bin for this BD. ;D
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Uy! StarWars Movie EB!?
up! hehehe
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Uy! StarWars Movie EB!?
Raymond offers the SW BD, I offer my place, if anyone offers food & beer, then we are good to go! ;D
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Raymond offers the SW BD, I offer my place, if anyone offers food & beer, then we are good to go! ;D
dala ako Pizza! :) hehehe.
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dala ako Pizza! :) hehehe.
Good, only left beverages now :D
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If you'll just compare Spielberg to Lucas just take a closer look on their filmography....and the answer lies there. Maybe Lucas should listen to the rant of the fans and cinephiles regarding their opinions and release also the original version on bd.
I'm not sure but I think the overall sales will judge whether any action will be done. And I'm already thinking this will be a bestseller for the next few weeks/months.
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If you'll just compare Spielberg to Lucas just take a closer look on their filmography....and the answer lies there. Maybe Lucas should listen to the rant of the fans and cinephiles regarding their opinions and release also the original version on bd.
Lucas will never be a filmmaker in the truest sense of the word. At least Spielberg possesses the temerity to dwell on projects that could either be a hit or a miss. Lucas has his comfort zone--and that is Star Wars--and I think he will never stray far from that at all.
And such 'tweaks' will remind us of Lucas' prevaricated stance towards the same existing material he created. Star Wars will always be an enormous moneymaking venture devoid of any aesthetic value.
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I concur wedge, Dan.
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The 3D versions are planned to be released in cinemas in annual increments; home video should follow.
I sincerely hope that Lucas listens to his most ardent fans and includes the theatrical releases in the boxed sets.
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Any plans to REMAKE Episodes IV-VI? ;D
No amount of high definition video and audio can fix some of the outdated scenes.
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Any plans to REMAKE Episodes IV-VI? ;D
No amount of high definition video and audio can fix some of the outdated scenes.
That's the logical next step. Change Mark Hamill's hair, for example.
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I was just over at amazon.com and looked at the feedback for the Star Wars blu-rays.
The Complete Saga isn't doing too well:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/product-reviews/B003ZSJ212/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_summary?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
There's an alleged claim that there's a scene in episode IV that wasn't color-corrected, even though Lucas said it was corrected weeks before.
"Starwars.com displays a screenshot of Luke's fixed blue lightsaber on the Millenium Falcon in ANH, boasting about how they went back and fixed these problems. I have seen the Blu-Rays myself and I can confirm this is NOT the case!! Yes it is fixed for that particular frame and a few other frames, but the next shot of the same scene his lightsaber shifts back to green, just like in the screwed up dvd release, then goes to bright white, then back to a very pale blue color."
The reviewer lists some more alleged claims of CGI mistakes.
Based on my own experience with the first special edition release, I'm not surprised. There was also an effects error on The Empire Strikes Back (Planet Hoth AT-AT Walker run scene). I don't know if it was corrected in this release. Being blu-ray, I'd imagine those details will just stick out like a sore thumb if they didn't fix them.
However, The Original Trilogy blu-ray release seems to fare better with the comments:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Episodes/product-reviews/B000PMLFRA/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_summary?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
I actually wanted to get The Original Trilogy blu-ray. I can compromise with the added effects, even Vader's primal scream. Heck, I liked Lucas's first special edition release in 1997 (without young Anakin at the end of the trilogy, if I recall).
But Hayden Christensen's presence at the end of ROTJ (from a re-release that I can't even remember when it was done) completely ruins the entire thing, so... no.
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Lucas already made Star Wars his milking cow. Its about time he listens to most of the fans and cinephiles who still want the original theatrical version of the film.
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High Def digest review is out.
Overall Grade 4.5 out of 5
The Movie Itself 4 out of 5
HD Video Quality 4 out of 5
HD Audio Quality 5 out of 5
Supplements 4 out of 5
High-Def Extras 3.5 out of 5
Bottom Line Highly Recommended
Reviewed by Aaron Peck
Final Thoughts
Well, it's finally here. What else is there to say that hasn't been said already? Yes, we all want to have the option of watching the unaltered theatrical editions, but it doesn't look like those are coming any time soon. Until then, this is the definitive high definition set of 'Star Wars.' The set we'd been waiting years for is finally here. While the video presentations waver a bit, the audio presentations are rock solid, producing rocking demo-material for any sound system out there. There are so many special features it will take you weeks to finish them all off. This set comes highly recommended.
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Good, only left beverages now :D
What drinks do you guys want?
sorry OT. ;D
BTT.
Even with the said changes made to the StarWars BD, I'm still excited to watch this in High Definition, for the PQ and AQ, I grew up loving this movie. I may not want the changes that were made, but as a star wars fan, I'd still buy it.
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Any plans to REMAKE Episodes IV-VI? ;D
Just leave Episode VI alone. Slave Leia in chains at ROTJ is hard to top. ;D
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Just leave Episode VI alone. Slave Leia in chains at ROTJ is hard to top. ;D
Amen.
The bluray torrents are out ;D
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Just leave Episode VI alone. Slave Leia in chains at ROTJ is hard to top. ;D
Hell yeah!
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Star Wars on Bluray is the best version you can get at the moment in terms of PQ and SQ, so if Lucas' tinkering, does not bother you, then by all means, get the Bluray.
I think all the brouhaha is because:
1. it is done so long after the original have come out (director's cuts are, after all, common these days).
2. George Lucas does not make the original version available simultaneously, and the last time it was made available, it was a half-hearted release.
3. this isn't the first time it happened.
4. and most importantly, most of the time, the changes do not benefit the film one bit.
I read an article that the original Star Wars was nominated for numerous Oscars, and Lucas' tinkering is an insult to the original crew who worked on the films.
But despite my own reservations, I will get it, and given, that I am not someone who knows every detail about Star Wars, would probably miss the changes, unless I read them on the internet...But for sure, I will notice that '"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
i agree with you 1000%. The bearded ones constant tinkering is an insult on his fans, the cast and crew and also to the directors of episodes 5 & 6. he has no right to mess with another directors work.
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i agree with you 1000%. The bearded ones constant tinkering is an insult on his fans, the cast and crew and also to the directors of episodes 5 & 6. he has no right to mess with another directors work.
maybe the bearded one has gone to the dark side of the force...
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Agreed, Darth Lucas.
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he has no right to mess with another directors work.
He just did... ;D
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Agreed, Darth Lucas.
"Noooooooo" :)
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"Highest-grossing debut in Blu-ray Disc history."
'Star Wars' Blu-ray Nets Record-Breaking $84 Million Globally.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/The-Force-is-Strong-on-Bluray-bw-2457008056.html?x=0&.v=1
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-blu-ray-nets-239398
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"Highest-grossing debut in Blu-ray Disc history."
'Star Wars' Blu-ray Nets Record-Breaking $84 Million Globally.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/The-Force-is-Strong-on-Bluray-bw-2457008056.html?x=0&.v=1
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-blu-ray-nets-239398
amazing, but not surprising, its been so awaited by millions of fans.
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OT:
The mini Star Wars Blu-ray EB at my place will push tru. Will be set on Sat, first week of Oct tentatively. Those who are interested to join us, give me a PM. Limited seats only... ;D
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hmmm, excited for this release
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I will try to finish this set in a few days. ;D So far I watched Episode 4 and I think the force is indeed strong with this set. ;D. For the star wars fanatics, I think just by the amount of special features its already worth it.
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Got my copy na. ;D
Sarap massage sa ipod race. :)
Gonna be busy re-watching the 6 movies + extras. :)
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Got my copy na. ;D
Sarap massage sa ipod race. :)
Gonna be busy re-watching the 6 movies + extras. :)
Congrats sir, I'm sure these movies will look and sound awesome in your magnificent setup. Just like when I was in awe when you demoed "The Sound of Music". ;) ;D
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Got my copy na. ;D
Sarap massage sa ipod race. :)
Gonna be busy re-watching the 6 movies + extras. :)
(http://greenarbytheday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/do-not-disturb.bmp)
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I'm with Dorian Gray on this one: why not do editing on things fans REALLY want, like removing Jar Jar Binks, and removing all of Hayden Christiansen's scenes with a better actor.
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I'm with Dorian Gray on this one: why not do editing on things fans REALLY want, like removing Jar Jar Binks, and removing all of Hayden Christiansen's scenes with a better actor.
Like it or not, jar jar binks is part of Star Wars lore na, so if you edit them, it has the same effect as those other edits Lucas did. The true fans just want to see Star Wars just like they did it the theatres (maybe at higher resolution).
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Anyone else having playability issues with bonus discs 7-9? Im not sure if bd ko me problem but i never ran across any bd na naghang sa player ko like this. It reads the discs but after ilangs mins playing bigla na lang magha hang. Im using an lg bd550 and hve not updated my firmware so i guess isa sa mga option ko but dito ko lang sa starwars bd naexperience yung paghang.
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is this available locally or should I buy online for this?
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Can anyone tell me if this release available in the Philippines?
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Haven't seen it in local stores.
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I saw the Ep 4 to 6 box set in Odyssey at Mall of Asia few weeks ago. It is priced at 2500 pesos. Imo this is a great price. I just saw one copy.
I also think Cardinal Audio in Virramall will have this complete set. But the price is just ridiculous imo. It's better to just get it via amazon thru jac or from our fellow members in the marketplace thru special order.
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I saw the Ep 4 to 6 box set in Odyssey at Mall of Asia few weeks ago. It is priced at 2500 pesos. Imo this is a great price. I just saw one copy.
I also think Cardinal Audio in Virramall will have this complete set. But the price is just ridiculous imo. It's better to just get it via amazon thru jac or from our fellow members in the marketplace thru special order.
thanks, I also saw a copy of the EP4toEP6; I guess I wil just have to order through amazon
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I saw lots of star wars complete saga at O in Rockwell worth 5.5k, the pre-quel and original trilogy is 2.5k each
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5500 is a great price. Bili na!!!! ;D
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Mahal, makukuha mo lang yan ng P3800 (complete saga) kay revas and anya eh
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Mahal, makukuha mo lang yan ng P3800 (complete saga) kay revas and anya eh
Yes true. But I think 5500 pesos is a great price already bec.
1. It's right there in front of you na ;D, don't have to wait. Some star wars freaks/nerds ;D, just can't wait.
2. Premium pricing bec. this set is so rare here in the Phils. O rockwell may be the only one that have it. I haven't seen one in any Astro branches. I was looking for it since Day 1 of release. There was a store that is selling it for a whopping 7,500 pesos :o ata (advance release pa siya, this may be initial quotation). I will not mention the store. ;D
3. Hey its star wars, meron talaga premium. ;D
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for me the prices is good at P 5000
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A P1,700 difference seems like a steep price to pay for instant gratification...
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true :)
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I don't have the Star Wars BD set yet, but I'm curious --- has anybody experienced the audio dropout and "DTS bomb" issues on this set?
It's all over the US forums.
http://forum.bigpicturebigsound.com/blu-ray-disc/4967-audio-drop-outs-glitches-star-wars-complete-saga-blu-ray-set.html
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1361400
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20996122
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I don't have the Star Wars BD set yet, but I'm curious --- has anybody experienced the audio dropout and "DTS bomb" issues on this set?
It's all over the US forums.
Tnx atty for bringing out this matter as I'm not aware of it until I read your comments. I have the BD set & have completed Episode 1 to 4. So far, I haven't notice any audio dropout & bomb issue. From the US forum, some members pointed out EP IV New Hope chapter 16.
So I tested it this morning & skip to chapter 16. Immediately I got shock when I heard the "bomb" exploded! haha...I quickly lower the volume & skip to Chapter 16 again...yup the "bomb" is there. However, other than that I didn't find any audio dropout. For a regular playback I don't experience any bomb or audio drop out. It seems the "bomb" occur only when I use the skip function in my remote control & affected specific chapter.
I will watch Ep V & VI this coming days & hopefully they are fine. :)
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Oh wow! that's sad. I've withheld purchasing the Star Wars BD till now.
Should I still hold out? or buy?
And is this "DTS bomb" only present in the DTS track? so the Dolby track should be okay right?
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Tnx atty for bringing out this matter as I'm not aware of it until I read your comments. I have the BD set & have completed Episode 1 to 4. So far, I haven't notice any audio dropout & bomb issue. From the US forum, some members pointed out EP IV New Hope chapter 16.
So I tested it this morning & skip to chapter 16. Immediately I got shock when I heard the "bomb" exploded! haha...I quickly lower the volume & skip to Chapter 16 again...yup the "bomb" is there. However, other than that I didn't find any audio dropout. For a regular playback I don't experience any bomb or audio drop out. It seems the "bomb" occur only when I use the skip function in my remote control & affected specific chapter.
I will watch Ep V & VI this coming days & hopefully they are fine. :)
Thanks for your quick reply!
I had my doubts abouts the US comments, since nobody has commented on the pinoydvd forum. However, because there are so many US posts about it, they can't all be wrong. That's why I decided to ask for confirmation.
Well, that's sad news. The US Star Wars fans still haven't figured out what's wrong with the discs.
The DTS bomb is scary, since the defect can easily damage speakers. A new audio encoding system on the DTS-MA track might be at fault. The authors could have included data that can't be handled properly by DTS decoders on most receivers.
What receiver (and player) are you using?
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Thanks for your quick reply!
I had my doubts abouts the US comments, since nobody has commented on the pinoydvd forum. However, because there are so many US posts about it, they can't all be wrong. That's why I decided to ask for confirmation.
Well, that's sad news. The US Star Wars fans still haven't figured out what's wrong with the discs.
The DTS bomb is scary, since the defect can easily damage speakers. A new audio encoding system on the DTS-MA track might be at fault. The authors could have included data that can't be handled properly by DTS decoders on most receivers.
What receiver (and player) are you using?
Raymond (Moks007) also own the BD set & I think he has watched the entire set but so far I haven't heard any negative comments from him. I will try to check with him.
From my earlier test, the DTS bomb won't probably reach the extend of damaging our speakers but sure won't feel good when it happens... ;D I also tried skipping to other chapters but unable to locate any other DTS bomb. Then I inserted Episode V disc, hoping to find another bomb but futile. So the bomb is probably very isolated & in my case it can be triggered tru the "search" or "skip" functions.
Will post my comments here if I have further findings. I'm using Panasonic BD65 player & AVR Onkyo 1007. :)
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You're getting the usually reported behavior, where the bomb appears only when the chapter select is used, as posted here:
Try turning your volume way down so there's no chance of damage and use the chapter select to go straight to Chapter 16 on A New Hope. Many people are reporting the movies play fine, but that if you start the movie using the chapter select that you get the bomb.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=21040509&postcount=28
It's good that the bomb you're getting is a moderate one. But for other systems, speaker damage is a big possibility, since there are reports that the volume spike is huge, which is why they call it a "bomb." For example:
I watched the movie from the beginning for a while and had no problems, but when I went to the Scenes menu and selected the "Millennium Falcon" scene - BOOM! The instant the scene began I got the mother of all audio spikes through every channel simultaneously It sounded like the house exploded and I was sure that I had blown all of my speakers (thank goodness for the durability of SVS).
I tried it again with the volume extremely low and heard it again. If I let the disc play up to that point it doesn't happen, but if I use the menu to go directly to that scene it happens every time.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=20973066&postcount=9