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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: barrister on Mar 02, 2012 at 04:45 PM
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I hope this thread inspires our sellers to make the 2012 Panny Plasmas available here soon.
I'm waiting for a 50UT50. Hindi na ako umaasa sa Panny Philippines, e. Palagay ko September 2012 na, dalawang model pa lang ang available sa kanila.
Available on Amazon since Feb. 24, 2012:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41yoOVkqj8L._AA300_.jpg)
50UT50 (1080p 3D)
$999.99
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P50UT50-50-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00752VKFK
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Ito project ko sa May
60" ;)
Shipping one home , alamin ko muna if ok siya
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May idea ka na sir kung anong model?
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May idea ka na sir kung anong model?
meron sila viera 60" at 65" worry ko lang baka matiris eh paiyakan isoli yan. so when i go there May, i'd have one crated muna. sana mura.
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meron sila viera 60" at 65" ...
Viera lahat ang Panasonic plasma sir ... ;)
Ang models para sa 60 or 65 ay UT, ST, GT and VT. Flagship nila ang VT.
http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us2012/product/vt_plasma.html
Mas OK nga siguro bumili abroad. Yung last year model na 50UT30 ay sa March 2012 pa raw ang dating :D:
TH-P50UT30S expected to be available by March pa. :)
Ang tindi naman non. E di sa March 2013 pa pala yung current model.
Palagay ko Panasonic Philippines kasi nanggaling, hindi gray unit. Kaya namuti na ang mata ko bago dumating ... >:(
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http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P65GT30-65-Inch-Plasma/dp/B004MME75Q/ref=pd_rhf_sc_p_t_4
$2000 US$ not bad for a 65" right?
Pero looking at PJ also,
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GT30?
Mura nga, pero 2011 model yan sir. May green blobs issue ang 2011 na GT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zdtG-WOo7g
Buti pa hintayin natin ang comments sa 2012 models, malaki daw kasi ang improvements for 2012.
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oh thanks for the info bro, anong ok? hanap mode tayo anong model.
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http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P65GT30-65-Inch-Plasma/dp/B004MME75Q/ref=pd_rhf_sc_p_t_4
$2000 US$ not bad for a 65" right?
By the way, di ba refurbished unit lang yung $1,995 price nila?
oh thanks for the info bro, anong ok? hanap mode tayo anong model.
Interesado ako sa 2012 models, new phosphors daw ang gamit. Pero hintay muna tayo kung ano ang issues ng latest lineup.
Wala akong ma-suggest na models, wala pa kasing balita sa 2012 issues. Pero sa avsforum, maraming interesado sa ST50 series. Isa pa lang yata ang nakabili:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21722850
May price list ng mga ST50 sizes sa first post.
Eto ang price leak: http://hdguru.com/2012-panasonic-hdtv-pricesleaked/7283/
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OT Uy, saw plasma 50" LG nga lang, under 40k-> http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,156586.msg1586080.html#msg1586080 wala pang hassle sa shipping.
By the way, di ba refurbished unit lang yung $1,995 price nila?
Interesado ako sa 2012 models, new phosphors daw ang gamit. Pero hintay muna tayo kung ano ang issues ng latest lineup.
Wala akong ma-suggest na models, wala pa kasing balita sa 2012 issues. Pero sa avsforum, maraming interesado sa ST50 series. Isa pa lang yata ang nakabili:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21722850
May price list ng mga ST50 sizes sa first post.
Eto ang price leak: http://hdguru.com/2012-panasonic-hdtv-pricesleaked/7283/
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OT Uy, saw plasma 50" LG nga lang, under 40k-> http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,156586.msg1586080.html#msg1586080 wala pang hassle sa shipping.
That's a 50" 720p plasma (2011 model). Less than 40k naman talaga ang normal price ng mga 50" 720p plasma 2011.
Muntik nga akong bumili ng Samsung plasma 51" 720p (2011 model) in December 2011 for P38k, pero may issues din pala.
Panasonic 50" 720p plasma (2011 model) is also less than P40k now.
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So whats really happening to Panasonic Philippines loosing business ba to samsung and Lg?
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Not just in the Philippines.
In worldwide sales, #1 is Samsung and #2 is LG. In contrast, the TV divisions of Panasonic, Sony and Sharp suffered billions in losses.
In the Philippines, Panasonic Viera places more emphasis on its LCDs/LEDs than its plasmas, when it should be the other way around. Panasonic will not win against Sammy and LG by emphasizing LCD/LED.
And now, Sammy and LG are agressively pushing their plasmas, which look really great on the showroom floor. Where does that leave Panasonic if even its plasmas are under aggressive attack?
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sayang naman, i like their products but it's like they've given up on high end plasmas for the PH market.
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Not just in the Philippines.
In worldwide sales, #1 is Samsung and #2 is LG. In contrast, the TV divisions of Panasonic, Sony and Sharp suffered billions in losses.
In the Philippines, Panasonic Viera places more emphasis on its LCDs/LEDs than its plasmas, when it should be the other way around. Panasonic will not win against Sammy and LG by emphasizing LCD/LED.
And now, Sammy and LG are agressively pushing their plasmas, which look really great on the showroom floor. Where does that leave Panasonic if even its plasmas are under aggressive attack?
yung panasonic philippines website seems dead. all there phone numbers for customer service seem dead, there customers inquiry form is also missing(i surely remember there was an inquiry menu earlier this year).
it gives the impression that Panasonic has totally abandoned the Philippines.
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No, it only means Panasonic Philippines is lazy >:(.
sayang naman, i like their products but it's like they've given up on high end plasmas for the PH market.
Panasonic Philippines is so lazy that it has no feel for the Philippine TV market.
The general public wants LCD and LED, and they will buy Samsung. A small niche market wants plasma, and they will buy Panasonic. But Panny Philippines thinks plasma is dead, so it pushes its LCD/LED, despite knowing that it will never win against Samsung.
They should instead attempt to convince more users to try plasma. Release low-end plasmas for the average consumer, and a few high-end plasmas for the HT enthusiasts. The market exists, they just don't know it.
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meorn daw 55 inch lcd "TC-L55WT50" release this year by panasonic. shouldn't they release something like that here?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1387706 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1387706)
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I thought the entry model X series is like the most popular plasma model in the Philippines already? They dont have anything lower priced than that except for LCD models - in order to compete against the Koreans price-wise
What Panasonic should realize is that many households in Asia watch under bright lights and they buy HDTVs first and foremost in order to watch TV. An entry-level non glare model should be developed for the Asian market, with image that is bright enough to entice the regular customer even in the store. It doesnt have to be full-HD.
and for crying out loud, "significant savings" in power consumption on an LED or LCD is practically a myth since 2010. I am not sure if local Panasonic dealers even know how to explain that properly to their customers.
and they should show the quality of regular cable/TV broadcast using a Plasma in the stores. soooo lazy to run a cable inside the shops???
Tsismis sa Japan
1. no more "Made In Japan" panel for 2012 models except perhaps the 65 inch
2. the Japanese VT5 model will use the VT50 panel and the GT50 bezel design. similarly, the Japanese GT5 model will use the GT50 panel and the ST50 bezel design. i still havent figured out the logic behind such strategy but as long as the panel is top-notch, I guess it's ok.
3. Glossy plasmas have all been phased-out in Japan. no more ST series, just VT and GT.
4. Panasonic will be releasing a bluetooth active shutter 3D glass for its plasmas as in improvement to its current IR glasses. also, it will offer passive tech 3D in a particular line of LED TVs.
They should instead attempt to convince more users to try plasma. Release low-end plasmas for the average consumer, and a few high-end plasmas for the HT enthusiasts. The market exists, they just don't know it.
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i see UT series taking the position of the X. The Ut cost 30k comes in 3d plus full HD, which is quite a lot of features for what you pay for. The UT shines like a mirror. Panasonic only applies its AR filter on its more expensive models.
I would prefer a TV with the price of the X with a USB slot with the ability to read almost all formats.
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No, they still have an X for 2012:
http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us2012/product/x_plasma_spec.html
Sizes: 42" & 50";
Rez: 1024 x 768;
Phosphors: Old type.
No 3D, no anti-glare filter.
Lowest-end 1080p plasma for 2012 is the U:
http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us2012/product/u_plasma_spec.html
Sizes: 50" only;
Rez: 1920 x 1080;
Phosphors: New type.
No 3D, no anti-glare filter.
After the U is the XT, then the UT, which is the 4th in a line of seven series:
http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us2012/product/comparison_plasma.html
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Sa mga interesado sa panasonic plasmas, sellers tein and john_johnc are selling 42v20, 65ST30 and 65GT30 at the display devices marketplace...
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Please advise pag meron nang 2012 models. Maybe in June 2012?
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how about this model of panny 42?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,158175.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,158175.0.html)
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how about this model of panny 42?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,158175.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,158175.0.html)
thats a sweet deal. i like this unit because from my testing it does not suffer from Panasonic FBR bug. We have our own forum post here detailing the preformance of this TV you should check that out. here :
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,144333.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,144333.0.html)
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Please advise pag meron nang 2012 models. Maybe in June 2012?
try nyo i-contact sila at baka may source sila for more recent models. buti pa sila nagpapasok ng G and S series.
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thats a sweet deal. i like this unit because from my testing it does not suffer from Panasonic FBR bug. We have our own forum post here detailing the preformance of this TV you should check that out. here :
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,144333.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,144333.0.html)
thanks for the info sir ;)
if i purchase po ba from that source whom not offering warranty,can i still avail the services from panasonic service center in my region if ever may sira or masira ang unit? ?[ from the province po kasi ako region 6]
syempre i have to pay the parts and services to panny service center, dahil wala nga po warranty would they accept my unit considering this is grey item and not bought from their legitimate distributor?
verry sorry for this long set of noob question ;D kasi ang mahal ng bentahan ng plasma sa lugar ko almost 11k ang price different if compared to sns price :o
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thanks for the info sir ;)
if i purchase po ba from that source whom not offering warranty,can i still avail the services from panasonic service center in my region if ever may sira or masira ang unit? ?[ from the province po kasi ako region 6]
syempre i have to pay the parts and services to panny service center, dahil wala nga po warranty would they accept my unit considering this is grey item and not bought from their legitimate distributor?
verry sorry for this long set of noob question ;D kasi ang mahal ng bentahan ng plasma sa lugar ko almost 11k ang price different if compared to sns price :o
Yes they will but you will have to pay for the parts and services. It can get very expensive.
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Please advise pag meron nang 2012 models. Maybe in June 2012?
June or May bro. then buy it around September para mura na ng konti :)
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Yes they will but you will have to pay for the parts and services. It can get very expensive.
thanks :)
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Barrister, sa listening room, last year's model pa rin ...55st30 available in april . Price to be announced https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=350243258351847&set=a.189576654418509.40439.166737056702469&type=1&ref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=350243258351847&set=a.189576654418509.40439.166737056702469&type=1&ref=nf)
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Thanks for the info.
Based on this year's very late release dates, the low-end 2012 units might come out in August 2012, and the higher-end maybe in summer of 2013.
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Review: 2012 Plasma 50ST50:
2012 Panasonic VIERA TC-P50ST50 Review
(http://www.hometheatershack.com/images/Panasonic_ST50.jpg)
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/video-displays-projectors-processors-screen-reviews/55679-first-review-2012-panasonic-viera-tc-p50st50-50-inch-1080p-full-hd-3d-plasma-tv.html
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any chance for the V30 to be released here? I've been going around stores looking for V20 and I can't seem to find one. That's the only TV that I'd consider buying now. These smart TV's really don't impress me. I should've gotten the V20 last year when I had the chance. Now I'm stuck with these expensive SMART LED's if I were to upgrade. Fancy designs although inferior PQ.
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@ kelz
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=355018264541013&set=a.189576654418509.40439.166737056702469&type=1&ref=nf
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@kelz
a seller in the marketplace named DOM might have a 42 v20 for 47-48k
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any chance for the V30 to be released here? I've been going around stores looking for V20 and I can't seem to find one. That's the only TV that I'd consider buying now. These smart TV's really don't impress me. I should've gotten the V20 last year when I had the chance. Now I'm stuck with these expensive SMART LED's if I were to upgrade. Fancy designs although inferior PQ.
Smart TV is the most blunder product produced. I noticed a salesman in Glorietta trying hard to impress the buyer by using smart tv on enternet, it was an awful effort. Plasma technology is the best on video.
Kung ano anong added features para lang mabiii yung tv product nila na hindi naman talaga kailangan, parang receiver. :D :D :D
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@kelz again: a seller named tein in the display devices marketplace is selling a 42v20 for P45,000
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Hi Halvert!
What about you? Hehehe. Interesting price - like 30% off the street prices in 2010.
@kelz again: a seller named tein in the display devices marketplace is selling a 42v20 for P45,000
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^hi sir, kahapon ko lang kasi nakita yan, e nakabili na ako ng 42ut30 sa listen up sa glorietta. Ok naman to my untrained eyes kahit hindi neo pdp.
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i tested the 50x30 and 50 ut30. Honestly, i can not see much difference except that the skin tone on the ut30 is better. And slightly better depth. However, i can not find much difference in terms of black level.
Playing a dvd upscaled by a pioneer blurry player, i find the x30 rendering better details. perhaps its because of the jump small jump from 480 to 720.
Playing a 1080p bluray (spiderman) at a distance of about 8ft, the ut30 has cleaner picture. I can see the pixels of the x30.
Finally played a 1080p DL on the ut30, i was very impressed with the picture. Ang linaw. And the colors are just great.
I wanted to try ut30 vs ST30 but they don't have a 50 model for the st. BUt for the price difference of about 20k, i think i will settle for the ut30.
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^hi sir, kahapon ko lang kasi nakita yan, e nakabili na ako ng 42ut30 sa listen up sa glorietta. Ok naman to my untrained eyes kahit hindi neo pdp.
sir halvert, how do you find your new tv? feedback please.
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here's what i wrote in the panasonic 42ut30 thread:
So I tested it out over the weekend and to my untrained eyes all my videos look better compared to my LCD panasonic 32lx80. I blurted out Oh my God when I played a downloaded video because the picture looked so good. But I must say that the video from my external hard disk looks better when viewed using my samsung bluray player than just connected straight to the tv's usb slot.
It can play mp4, mkv, avi files but some lost their audio.
The panel is very glossy/reflective so you really need curtains.
I downloaded some free movie trailers and videos and 3D was just amazing, especially the sample video from Imax's under the sea.
Sumakit ang ulo ko after watching 2dto 3d converted videos after a while.
Since hindi ito neo-pdp panel, pag toal darkness scene at nakapatay ang ilaw, i can still see light coming from the tv. pag neo-pdp yata, pag total darkness, parang nakapatay ang tv.
I'm quite happy with my purchase though if i had the money, i would buy the 42st30. Full HD was a big factor on my choice. 3d was just a bonus.
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Another forum says the ST50 is using VT30 panels..
As mentioned in an earlier post here the ST isnt available in Japan for this year, so this might be true as marketing dictates a lot in N. America.
IMHO all tv models have issues. Someone will always find one. Its a good idea to buy panels at least a little over half of the year as any flaws could be corrected by board upgrades, firmware, etc..
I really envy the US consumers as you could return items within 30 days without questions.. If you think its not good then just simply bring it back for a refund.
Im quite surprised that the GT30 was supposed to have issues to begin with but in the end it was all sorted and very happy with my purchase so far. If i remember correctly the ST series won TV of the year US/UK noting price/picture performance.(ill get the source later)
You guys can also check out the hard core videophiles at the AVS forums specially PDP panels thread. Warning though, you might not end up or just sit on the fence the whole time and never buy a tv after just waiting for the right(perfect)set....
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Another forum says the ST50 is using VT30 panels..
That's unlikely. The VT30 (2011) has the green blob problem, but the ST50 (2012) does not.
Panasonic says the 2012 panels are new and substantially re-engineered, not just carryovers of last year's panels. For example, the VT30 has a 600Hz Sub-Field Drive, but this year's ST50 has the 2500Hz Focused Field Drive.
If we interpret Panasonic’s marketing material correctly, motion quality has been the company’s focus in terms of picture quality this year. The company claims that the Focused Field Drive (present on the European ST50 series in its lesser “2000hz” incarnation rather than the “2500hz” available on the GT50 and VT50 displays – and, interestingly, on the North American ST50 series) is a motion detection and panel driving algorithm which structures the stages of light output from the plasma panel in a way which is both better suited to the specific video being displayed on screen, and better suited to the way in which the human visual system (the eyes and brain) see motion. Full details on this are scant, but our interpretation of the diagrams Panasonic provided us with is that previous plasmas used a fixed, linear light output mode, and the “Focused Field Drive” models use a more intelligent content-adaptive mode.
Although the prototype displays we saw at the Panasonic Convention last month appeared no different to the 2011 models (even when we changed them into their accurate picture modes), now that we have the real released product in our test room, we can see that the motion quality on the Panasonic TX-P42ST50B is significantly improved compared to even last year’s high-end Panasonic Plasmas. When we ran our tried and trusted full-motion test clips from the FPD Benchmark disc, we were impressed at both the motion sharpness (which has never been a problem on any Plasma television we’ve reviewed) and also the quality and cleanness in the moving areas (which seems to be harder to perfect).
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st50b-p42st50-201203191731.htm
That's why in 2012, a plasma enthusiast should wait for a 2012 Panasonic, if he wants to try out the latest improvements in plasma technology.
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is the ut30 a 2011 model?
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another question - whats the advantage of a neo-pdp? is it worth the price?
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Yup, 2011 model ang mga 30 ang ending. 2012 ang 50 kasi malas / sounds like death ang 4 sa japan kaya nag-skip sila. Sabi ng experts, ang neo pdp produces deeper blacks and more vibrant colors. Mas power efficient, thinner and environment friendly daw. Is it worth the price? I don't know. Let your eyes be the judge. Ako happy na sa full hd plasma ko.
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Yup, 2011 model ang mga 30 ang ending. 2012 ang 50 kasi malas / sounds like death ang 4 sa japan kaya nag-skip sila. Sabi ng experts, ang neo pdp produces deeper blacks and more vibrant colors. Mas power efficient, thinner and environment friendly daw. Is it worth the price? I don't know. Let your eyes be the judge. Ako happy na sa full hd plasma ko.
To think that i can not even distinguish the difference between the x30 and ut30. hehe. except that i can see pixelation on white background. but at my viewing distance of around 8-10 ft. i don't think it will matter.
sir halbert (sorry dami tanong), when fed with a 720p source, does your tv lose sharpness?
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To think that i can not even distinguish the difference between the x30 and ut30. hehe. except that i can see pixelation on white background. but at my viewing distance of around 8-10 ft. i don't think it will matter.
You're right. At your viewing distance, they will look practically the same.
Pareho lang naman talaga ang X30 at UT30, except for the higher native resolution on the UT30. X30 and UT30 have regular panels. They are not NeoPDP. Naturally, the UT30's native resolution advantage will make pixels less visible at close distances.
However, standard def DVDs on Panny's regular panels traditionally perform better on 720p (1024x768 or 1366x768) models than on Full HD (1920x1080) models. Based on that, DVDs might look better on an X30 than on a UT30 from a normal viewing distance.
another question - whats the advantage of a neo-pdp? is it worth the price?
NeoPDP is panasonic's name for its high-end 1080p panels from 2009 to 2010. For the 2011 and 2012 series, they now call it "NeoPlasma."
The advantage of NeoPDP/NeoPlasma is that power consumption is lower, the panel is brighter, black levels are darker, and rendition of standard def DVD material is better.
Is it worth the price? In my opinion, no. That's because NeoPDP had major issues. The 2009 NeoPDP had rising blacks; the 2010 rising blacks were reduced, but the issue was still there; the 2011 NeoPlasma fixed the rising blacks but got the green blob issue.
For 2012, the NeoPlasma models might be worth the money, if no major issues will appear. So far, there have been no reported issues on the NeoPlasma 50 series units. Rising blacks fixed; green blob issue fixed. Power consumption further reduced; panel is brighter; black levels are darker. 600Hz sub-field drive now upgraded to 2500Hz focused field drive.
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Cnet review:
Panasonic TC-P60ST50
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... Comparing initial black level measurements, however, the ST50's stellar 0.005 Fl (see the Geek Box below) is still darker than even the VT30's initial measurement (0.0061). Of course I can't say how the ST50 will age, but if the 2011 Panasonics are any indication, it won't get much worse during the first year.
... In the past I've complained about Panasonic plasmas' tendency toward too-green skin tones, red push or lack of saturation, but the ST50 had none of these issues. It delivered the most accurate color I've seen on any Panasonic after a user-menu-only calibration.
... The bottom line: With flagship-level picture quality for a midlevel price, the Panasonic ST50 series sets the value standard among videophile-grade TVs.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p60st50/4505-6482_7-35118301.html#reviewPage1
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You're right. At your viewing distance, they will look practically the same.
Pareho lang naman talaga ang X30 at UT30, except for the higher native resolution on the UT30. X30 and UT30 have regular panels. They are not NeoPDP. Naturally, the UT30's native resolution advantage will make pixels less visible at close distances.
However, standard def DVDs on Panny's regular panels traditionally perform better on 720p (1024x768 or 1366x768) models than on Full HD (1920x1080) models. Based on that, DVDs might look better on an X30 than on a UT30 from a normal viewing distance.
no wonder, when we played regular dvd, i pointed out to the salesman that the x30 has sharper picture than the ut30. So he immediately went to adjust the ut30, unsuccessfully. so i guess, my observation was right, that playing regular dvd, the x30 performed better.
however, the ut30 has better skin tone renditions.
when i asked my son to point out which has better picture, he pointed to the x30 to the dismay of salesman. He kept on pointing out that the ut30 has better blacks, which i can not differentiate.
question sir barrister - playing a 720p source, will the ut30 perform better than the x30? similarly, playing 1080p source, will the x30 play poorly?
btw, the difference between the x30 and ut30 is about 14-15k. Im trying to see if the price difference is worth it.
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no wonder, when we played regular dvd, i pointed out to the salesman that the x30 has sharper picture than the ut30. So he immediately went to adjust the ut30, unsuccessfully. so i guess, my observation was right, that playing regular dvd, the x30 performed better.
however, the ut30 has better skin tone renditions.
when i asked my son to point out which has better picture, he pointed to the x30 to the dismay of salesman. He kept on pointing out that the ut30 has better blacks, which i can not differentiate.
It's easier to upscale from 480p (DVD source resolution) to 720p (X30 native resolution) than it is to upscale from 480p to 1080p (UT30 native resolution), assuming that both the 720p and 1080p TVs have similar panels and software generations. It's the big jump from 480p to 1080p that gives the scaling softwares of the TV and the player a harder job.
But it is possible to render a good SD upscale on a Full HD panel. The higher-end NeoPDP/NeoPlasma models, all of which are 1080p native panels, render very good pictures from DVD sources. It's just that Panny doesn't use the good scaling software on the lower-end 1080p plasmas.
question sir barrister - playing a 720p source, will the ut30 perform better than the x30? similarly, playing 1080p source, will the x30 play poorly?
btw, the difference between the x30 and ut30 is about 14-15k. Im trying to see if the price difference is worth it.
There's no way to tell until I actually eyeball the two units in a side-by-side comparison. I can only guess that 1080p and 720p will look similar on both units, but 480p will look better on the X30.
Why? Because it's easier to downscale than to upscale.
On the UT30, a 1080p source looks good since all the TV has to do is render a 1:1 pixel map from the source to the panel; a 720p source looks good because it's a close match to the native resolution; but a 480p source will not look so good because it's a big upward jump to scale it to 1080p.
On the X30, a 480p source looks good because it's a close match to the native resolution; a 720p source looks good because it's an even closer match to the native resolution; and a 1080p source looks good because the downscaling process simply removes unnecessary pixels, making it an easy job for the scaling software.
btw, the difference between the x30 and ut30 is about 14-15k. Im trying to see if the price difference is worth it.
It depends on your requirements.
You have a viewing distance of 8 to 10 feet -- get the X30. You might need the extra resolution if there are times when there are a lot of guests, and some of them need to sit up close to the TV -- get the UT30. You have a lot of SD material --- get the X30. You hardly watch any SD DVD anymore --- get the UT30.
My personal recommendation: X30. The 2012 models provide a big jump in improved tech, so I wouldn't want to spend more than I have to on older tech. P15K is a lot of money. If you buy cheap now, you'll get a better 1080p TV for a smaller price difference the next time you upgrade.
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Thank you sir barrister for the enlightenment.
Yes i still do have a lot of sd materials which i have no plans of disposing as of now. Though I'm sloooowly shifting to high def.
last question, if i have a player that can upscale better than the TV, would our premise about upscaling from 480 to 720 and 480 to 1080 still holds? or the ut30 would now be at par with the x30 playing upscaled sd?
i suspect that though we used a pioneer blu ray player, it was the tvs that did the upscaling, hence the x30 beating the u30.
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Thank you sir barrister for the enlightenment.
Yes i still do have a lot of sd materials which i have no plans of disposing as of now. Though I'm sloooowly shifting to high def.
last question, if i have a player that can upscale better than the TV, would our premise about upscaling from 480 to 720 and 480 to 1080 still holds? or the ut30 would now be at par with the x30 playing upscaled sd?
i suspect that though we used a pioneer blu ray player, it was the tvs that did the upscaling, hence the x30 beating the u30.
That would make sense in theory, but there's some other factor I don't know about that's going on in the TV itself.
Carlo777 is the member who has done extensive testing on many plasma TVs. I requested him to do DVD testing on HD-Ready and Full HD Panny plasmas, because I wanted to confirm my theory.
The result? My theory was confirmed on Panny plasmas with regular (not NeoPDP) panels. DVDs look better on 720p sets than on 1080p sets, regardless of whether it was the player or the TV that was doing the upscaling. If the player is the one upscaling to 1080p, and both TVs receive the same 1080p signal, why does the 720p TV still look better from a normal viewing distance? I don't know. It must be the panel itself. Maybe it's easier to render a better picture from an inferior source such as an upscaled 480p DVD if the panel has a lower native resolution.
How about the NeoPDPs? When the NeoPDPs were released, Carlo777 bought a 42G10 import. He reported that DVDs look good on the new 1080p panel, just like the old 720p panel. From then on, his recommendation was, if you want good DVD performance on a non-NeoPDPD panel, get a 720p TV.
So my conclusion is that it's not just the upscaling, it's also the panel and the internal software of the TV.
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here are the additional specs of the ut30 (vs x30) as pm'd to me by a seller:
Resolution Enhancer Yes
Moving Picture Resolution 1080 lines
3D 24p Film Display/Smooth Film Yes
2D/3D Conversion
Dolby Digital/dts DolbyPulse/dts2.0/dts Digital Out
3D 24p Smooth Film
USB 3
intelligent picture
now this is where it got weird. i went back to the shop to compare the two tvs again.Using same settings, i decided to concentrate on upscaled 480p. The source was Pearl Harbor playing on a blu ray player ( i don't know what brand). This time around, the x30's jagginess showed up. The ut30 has smoother rendering and color is very pleasant. My previous observation that the x30 is reddish did show up.
also, from my previous observation and verified today, the ut30 has smoother movements specially seen in animations. Is it because of the 24p smooth film feature? Maybe.
they played a 1080 source, Wild HOGS, again the better skin tone on the ut30.
I suspect that player upscaling is way better than tv upscaling (can anybody confirm this?).
If my theory is correct (about player upscaling capabilities) then, a full hd can play at par with a HD-ready plasma.
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also, i find the picture of ut30 a little glossy while the x30 is matte.
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Thanks for taking the time to post your inputs. User reviews are always very interesting to me.
For additional reference, try browsing some of Carlo777's inputs about the X30:
Panasonic X30 review (42/50)
DVD:
Being a 720p native model, again these entry level models from Panasonic does wonders for DVD.
On to the conclusion:
Pros
+Very good dvd picture quality
+Great true high definition picture performance despite being "just" a 720p native TV
+Superb viewing angles
+Very good screen uniformity (no clouds and overly bright screen areas)
+Spot on input response time for games
+Very well priced
Cons
-Reflective screen
-Green phosphor lag during high contrast scenes
-An X20 clone in a new suit
also, i find the picture of ut30 a little glossy while the x30 is matte.
Are you sure about this? I don't think the X30 has an anti-reflective filter. AFAIK, the screen is plain glass, and it should be just as glossy.
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UK Review: 2012 Plasma 42ST50:
Panasonic TX-P42ST50B Plasma TV Review (Updated With 3D)
By David Mackenzie • 19 March 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £1250
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TXP42ST50/tx-p42st50b.jpg)
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st50b-p42st50-201203191731.htm
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Are you sure about this? I don't think the X30 has an anti-reflective filter. AFAIK, the screen is plain glass, and it should be just as glossy.
I confirmed this with one of the owners and he agreed the the ut30 is "glossy" (not reflective since i think both models used the same glass. both are equally reflective).
another thing, the white in x30 is "whiter" than ut30. Thanks for taking the time to post your inputs. User reviews are always very interesting to me.
welcome. I'm interested in getting as much information as sharing them. i always try to be an informed buyer.
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@Oloap
I have the same dilemma like you but in the end I settled for x30 which I purchased yesterday. I checked the specs of the ut30 and I noticed it only has 900 lines of Moving Resolutions, not really 1080 lines.
Since I will be using it for 50% cable viewing (SD) and 50% Movie watching (720/1080), the x30 is really good for me :D
I will just check the 2012 models when it becomes available here :)
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@Oloap
I have the same dilemma like you but in the end I settled for x30 which I purchased yesterday. I checked the specs of the ut30 and I noticed it only has 900 lines of Moving Resolutions, not really 1080 lines.
Since I will be using it for 50% cable viewing (SD) and 50% Movie watching (720/1080), the x30 is really good for me :D
I will just check the 2012 models when it becomes available here :)
thank you sir kenobi. im not a techie, can you further explain what the 900 lines moving resolution is? how does it affect picture quality?
im now veering towards the x30 and just use the savings to add for a new projector (my old projector is showing signs of aging).
im sure the reddish tint can be adjusted to make the skin tones comparable to the ut30.
btw, anybody here can explain what does 24p feature does?
thanks.
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I have the same dilemma like you but in the end I settled for x30 which I purchased yesterday. I checked the specs of the ut30 and I noticed it only has 900 lines of Moving Resolutions, not really 1080 lines.
Since I will be using it for 50% cable viewing (SD) and 50% Movie watching (720/1080), the x30 is really good for me :D
I will just check the 2012 models when it becomes available here :)
Congrats!
900 lines of motion resolution is actually good enough for a lower-end 1080p plasma. A few years ago, 880 lines was the highest motion resolution capability of any flat panel TV.
LCD/LED panels are really bad, with lower-end 1080p panels having 1080 lines static resolution but only around 300 to 600 lines of motion resolution. That's why LCD/LED manufacturers have to use 120/240Hz trickery to hide the low motion resolution.
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btw, anybody here can explain what does 24p feature does?
thanks.
24p is the frame rate, which means "24 progressive frames per second."
24fps (frames per second) is the frame rate of a film projector (or digital projector) in a movie theater. But the 24fps rate has to be shuttered by the projector, either twice per frame (48fps), or shuttered 3x per frame (72fps).
When TVs specify 24p, it actually means 23.976p, not true 24p. However, since the majority of Blu-rays and HD files are also encoded at 23.976fps, and very few are really encoded at true 24p, the difference is not too much of a problem.
To reproduce the motion cadence of film as closely as possible, Blu-ray and HD files are usually encoded at 23.976fps rate. But regular progressive TVs have a frame rate of 60fps (NTSC), or 50fps (PAL). If your TV is displaying at 60fps, motion cadence will be slightly off, with slightly unnatural judder, especially during camera pan scenes. That's why for best motion cadence, your TV should also be displaying at a 23.976fps rate (usually stated as "24p").
If your eyes are used to real movies in a theater, you'll appreciate the motion cadence of 23.976p. And you'll say the 120Hz/240Hz motion interpolation tech of LCD/LCD is a silly gimmick.
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24p is the frame rate, which means "24 progressive frames per second."
24fps (frames per second) is the frame rate of a film projector (or digital projector) in a movie theater. But the 24fps rate has to be shuttered by the projector, either twice per frame (48fps), or shuttered 3x per frame (72fps).
When TVs specify 24p, it actually means 23.976p, not true 24p. However, since the majority of Blu-rays and HD files are also encoded at 23.976fps, and very few are really encoded at true 24p, the difference is not too much of a problem.
To reproduce the motion cadence of film as closely as possible, Blu-ray and HD files are usually encoded at 23.976fps rate. But regular progressive TVs have a frame rate of 60fps (NTSC), or 50fps (PAL). If your TV is displaying at 60fps, motion cadence will be slightly off, with slightly unnatural judder, especially during camera pan scenes. That's why for best motion cadence, your TV should also be displaying at a 23.976fps rate (usually stated as "24p").
If your eyes are used to real movies in a theater, you'll appreciate the motion cadence of 23.976p. And you'll say the 120Hz/240Hz motion interpolation tech of LCD/LCD is a silly gimmick.
thank you for the explanation. i've learned something new today.
back to topic - so the ut30 has 24p and none for the x30. does that mean x30 will have juddering?
can you also explain the 900 moving lines vs static lines? what will it mean to me as a non-techie?
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back to topic - so the ut30 has 24p and none for the x30. does that mean x30 will have juddering?
I'm sure the X30 has the 24p option because it's been available on the lowest-end Panny plasmas since maybe 2009.
X30 specs have it: http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/xseries/VIERATHP42X30
"24p Smooth Film/Playback --- 24p Playback" (click the "specifications" tab)
Set it to 24p for 23.976p-encoded BD or downloaded HD file and you'll get film-like motion cadence. Yes, it will still have juddering, but it will have the good judder that looks like the natural cadence of 24fps film.
What eliminates judder is not the 24p spec, but the motion interpolation tech found on higher-end LCD & LED TVs. However, it's not such a good thing because the motion becomes unnatural. Forums call it the "SOE" (Soap Opera Effect). You'll also get occasional artifacts such as tearing. Here's a good article about motion interpolation:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6792632-1.html
can you also explain the 900 moving lines vs static lines? what will it mean to me as a non-techie?
You already know what resolution means. The resolution spec refers to a static image, not a moving image.
When the image on the screen is in motion, the resolution normally decreases. What you get is a sharp picture for still images and slow-moving images, but a slightly blurry picture for fast-moving images.
That's why in-store LCD/LED demos usually show static images or slow-moving images, because they want to hide the artifact during the demo.
If you have a TV with a high motion resolution spec (higher than 600 lines without interpolation), the picture will be sharp whether it's a static image or a fast-moving image.
Demo the X30 with a fast-moving image, and I think it's going to be just fine. It's likely that any motion blur you see will be mostly caused by fast-motion blur that's already present on the video source itself, rather than by any obvious artifacting from the TV.
I'm not sure about the specs of the UT30, but I think it has 1080 lines of motion resolution. What I'm sure about is that the U30 has 900 lines, and the X30 has 720 lines of motion resolution. 720 lines is pretty excellent for the X30, since it only has 768 native lines of resolution anyway.
To put things in perspective, the LCD/LED TVs usually have 300 lines of motion resolution, and they increase frequency to 120Hz to add a motion interpolation tech. They say they're doing it to eliminate judder, but I think they're really doing it to artificially double the motion resolution.
Here's a related article: http://hdguru.com/a-solution-to-the-dreaded-soap-opera-effect/2119/
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you're the man, sir barrister.
i tried further research. di ako mapakali. i want to know the reason for the price difference. I'm sure there must be some.
so here are whats on ut30 (na wala sa x30)
contrast 4000000:1 (vs. 3500000:1)
fast switching phosphors (none for x30)
2500hz focused field drive (vs. 600hz for x30)
24p smooth film (none for x30 - though both have 24p playback)
vivid color recreation (none for x30)
web smoother (none for x30)
3d real sound (none for x30 - i really don't care about this. I'm sure this is garbage)
usb2 - 2 (1 for x30)
digital audio output - optical (none for x30)
viera connect
web browser
Skype while watching tv
social networking
viera remote app support
has more media support
resume play ( i don't know what the hell is this)
142w (vs 122w for x30)
has dolby digital,dts,dolby pulse
there you have it. so, is the 15k worth the difference?
isip-isip, i have to decide before the holy week break. arrggghhhh this is killing me. I'm so indecisive.
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PAHABOL.
it seems to me that the above specs are mostly for ut50.
the specs of ut30 malaysia/singapore is slightly different from that of UT30M being sold here. a lot of the specs are similar to UT50 above except for the 2500hz subfield and a few more.
it has 1080 moving line resolution as well (instead of 900 for the malaysian/singapore model).
things have gotten more complicated since i did my research. tomorrow i will go back to the store and read the manual of both. ;D
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Out of all those specs, only the fast-switching phosphors and 2,500Hz focused field drive are useful. All the other specs are not so important.
Fast-switching phosphors are relevant if you're one of those (like me and Carlo777) who can see the green phosphor trail on fast-moving, high-contrast images. Even then, I'm still not confident that the green phosphor trail issue has been totally eliminated this year.
The 2,500Hz focused field drive is supposed to improve the motion quality. According to hdtvtest.co.uk, motion quality on the Panasonic 42ST50 has significantly improved over the high-end Panasonic plasmas of 2011.
Those specs can't be right for a 2011 model. That's because the focused field drive is a Panny spec that only came out this 2012.
Worth the P15K difference? No, not for a 2011 model. If it's a P15K difference for a 2012 1080p model, then I would say it's worth it.
the specs of ut30 malaysia/singapore is slightly different from that of UT30M being sold here. a lot of the specs are similar to UT50 above except for the 2500hz subfield and a few more.
Distinguish subfield drive from focused field drive. Subfield drive is an old Panny spec that has always been 600Hz. Focused field drive is a 2012 Panny spec that is 2,500Hz in most countries, and 2,000Hz in other countries.
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sabi ni carlo777 dati, kung for cable viewing at dvd watching and for hi-def but not CGI-heavy movies, ok na ang x30.
although he was talking about 42" tvs ewanko lang sa 50 inch tv... ayaw mo ng 42 st30? or 42v20 na P45,000 dun sa display devices marketplace? (pinagulo ko pa yung isip mo)
ako kasi hd ready lang yung 32lx80 ko tapos dahil nag-birthday ako, bumili ako ng full hd 42ut30 pero wala namang malaking difference ang 720 movie sa hd ready at full hd.
or baka kaya mo pa maghintay ng konti baka dumating na yung 2012 models later this year. i don't know but some of our members order abroad and have them shipped here.
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8) sirs, does panny have any plasmas which are within the 55" and above size which are available locally...sorry if its the wrong thread to ask but been really wanting to purchase one as an replacement for my 42x30...thanks... 8)
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thank you everybody especially to sir barrister for providing useful information. after considering all the information on board, i finally took the plunge.
i went to listening room with the mindset of getting the 50x30 and the little savings for a blu ray player. however the owner (Oliver) was there to walk me thru all the questions i had. He was never pushy and he showed the subtleties of the two candidate tvs. He patiently explained each features the UT30 has that is not present in the x30. he also explained the why plasma has superior blacks and why it has higher energy consumption.
in the end, he was able to sway me to buy the ut30. and i think its a great buy.
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8) sirs, does panny have any plasmas which are within the 55" and above size which are available locally...sorry if its the wrong thread to ask but been really wanting to purchase one as an replacement for my 42x30...thanks... 8)
there is a 55st30 at listening room. best "middle level" plasma tv there is.
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congrats on your purchase Mr Oloap!
to mightbe you, merong seller sa display devices marketplace named john_johnc selling panasonic
Panasonic 65" TH-65ST30 = 209,995 (Note: Less 3% Cash net na po)
3D Plasma
Panasonic 65" 65PZ850 Plasma = 168,000 (net)
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there is a 55st30 at listening room. best "middle level" plasma tv there is.
How much kaya to sir?
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How much kaya to sir?
i think what i saw was the 65. please refer to sir halvert's post above. the 50st30 is around 72k++. I'm not very sure. pm the sellers here.
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Listening in style facebook page says 55st30 is P90,000 (gasp!)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=350232288352944&set=a.189576654418509.40439.166737056702469&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=350232288352944&set=a.189576654418509.40439.166737056702469&type=3)
Yung 50vt30 114,600
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LCD/LED panels are really bad, with lower-end 1080p panels having 1080 lines static resolution but only around 300 to 600 lines of motion resolution. That's why LCD/LED manufacturers have to use 120/240Hz trickery to hide the low motion resolution.
They can blink the backlight too, to improve "motion resolution" less expensively. Many midlevel LEDs now exceed 900 lines of motion resolution with the help of this.
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in the end, he was able to sway me to buy the ut30. and i think its a great buy.
Congrats with your new TV! :)
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Congrats with your new TV! :)
thank you sir stagea. it will be our tv for a loooooong time.
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thank you everybody especially to sir barrister for providing useful information. after considering all the information on board, i finally took the plunge.
i went to listening room with the mindset of getting the 50x30 and the little savings for a blu ray player. ...
in the end, he was able to sway me to buy the ut30. and i think its a great buy.
kano score mo bro ? which model? pa PM naman.
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thank you everybody especially to sir barrister for providing useful information. after considering all the information on board, i finally took the plunge.
i went to listening room with the mindset of getting the 50x30 and the little savings for a blu ray player. however the owner (Oliver) was there to walk me thru all the questions i had. He was never pushy and he showed the subtleties of the two candidate tvs. He patiently explained each features the UT30 has that is not present in the x30. he also explained the why plasma has superior blacks and why it has higher energy consumption.
in the end, he was able to sway me to buy the ut30. and i think its a great buy.
Congrats!
Is it a 42UT30 or a 50UT30?
Does the UT30 have an exhaust cooling fan at the back?
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These are great TV but sometimes you might encounter one with bugs.
Before you make your purchase, make sure to check your Panasonic 2011 GT, VT and ST models for FBr or "fluctuating brightness" and the green tint/blob error. From what i gathered, units manufactured later than august 2011 are less likely to have the fbr error.
there's a lot information on the net floating on these errors.
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And there's a lot of owners who don't see those alleged issues, or don't really mind those things.
These are great TV but sometimes you might encounter one with bugs.
Before you make your purchase, make sure to check your Panasonic 2011 GT, VT and ST models for FBr or "fluctuating brightness" and the green tint/blob error. From what i gathered, units manufactured later than august 2011 are less likely to have the fbr error.
there's a lot information on the net floating on these errors.
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And there's a lot of owners who don't see those alleged issues, or don't really mind those things.
Or had gotten accustomed to them? I used to get annoyed with Plasma flicker. I've learned to ignore it and now I barely notice it when frame doubling is enabled. As for green ghosting, I see it but I just don't get bothered by it.
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My family and I have no idea whatsoever if there is anything wrong with our 2-year old V2 and V20. Guests arrived from Manila last night and they were instantly awed by its IQ, while my small house was fully illuminated at every corner. Watched The Masters Live in HD this morning - now that's all green everywhere. Hehehe
I wouldn't hesitate to buy another V series if ever I need a new plasma again. Looks like years pa bibilangin.
It does exhibit strong IR though.
Or had gotten accustomed to them? I used to get annoyed with Plasma flicker. I've learned to ignore it and now I barely notice it when frame doubling is enabled. As for green ghosting, I see it but I just don't get bothered by it.
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These are great TV but sometimes you might encounter one with bugs.
Before you make your purchase, make sure to check your Panasonic 2011 GT, VT and ST models for FBr or "fluctuating brightness" and the green tint/blob error. From what i gathered, units manufactured later than august 2011 are less likely to have the fbr error.
there's a lot information on the net floating on these errors.
FBr for the 2011 Panny Plasmas was reportedly present on the Neo Plasma models. The 2011 FBr issue was fixed via firmware patch issued around August 2011.
However, the green blob/pink tint issue on the 2011 Panny Neo Plasmas does not have a clear solution. A firmware patch was announced by Panasonic UK in November 2011, with Panny UK clarifying that the firmware is not available for customer download, and must be installed by official Panasonic service.
Two users from avforums report an improvement, but the green blob was not totally eliminated:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1598237-panasonic-2011-official-green-blob-fix-discussion.html
It looks like the 2011 green blob problem cannot be totally fixed by a firmware patch. The whole TV must be totally redone in a new 2012 model if you want a real elimination of the issue.
Me, I prefer to wait for the 2012 models. No FBr, no green blob. Totally redone panel + software.
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so far i have not seen any fluctuating blacks nor the green blobs. hopefully it stays that way.
sir barrister, i got the 50ut30. I'm very happy with it. as for the exhaust fan, none we could find but after watching for two hours, the tv is warm at the back upper portion and cool in back middle and lower portion.
observations:
1. played a dvd using dvd player without upscaling capabilities using component cables. i was prepared to be disappointed but surprisingly the picture was very good and watchable. we played stars wars episode 3 for my son.
2. watched a dl of braveheart but my wife said its not sharp.
3. watched dl of red cliff and i was blown away by the picture.
i think regardless of upscaling if the movie was shot in sd, it will remain soft. however, if shot in hi def and downscaled, it will remain sharp.
for its price i would say its a good buy. my budget was for a 50x30 last december but i waited awhile and shifted to this.
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Thanks for the info.
That's good news about the absence of FBr. The UT30 is not a Neo Plasma, so I don't think it will have any FBr or green blob problem.
A 1080p plasma can get very warm, unlike a 720p plasma. The NeoPDPs / Neo Plasmas are the warmest, so they always have internal cooling fans.
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My family and I have no idea whatsoever if there is anything wrong with our 2-year old V2 and V20. Guests arrived from Manila last night and they were instantly awed by its IQ, while my small house was fully illuminated at every corner. Watched The Masters Live in HD this morning - now that's all green everywhere. Hehehe
I wouldn't hesitate to buy another V series if ever I need a new plasma again. Looks like years pa bibilangin.
It does exhibit strong IR though.
Nice. My main TV uses a G12 1080p panel. I don't notice much discoloration (or green blob issue). I think that's only for the NeoPDP models (G13 NeoPDP only?). I do notice some minimal green ghosting at times, though it's not nearly as bad as my older Plasmas.
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Green ghosting (phosphor trailing) has been hardly visible starting around 2008. I have to look for it to see it, and when I do see it, it's very slight. However, some people are more sensitive to phosphor trails than others.
The green blob issue appeared on the 2011 Neo Plasmas, which are G14 panels. Even then, not all G14 Neo Plasma panels have it. Some do, and some are worse than others. On some G14 Neo Plasmas, the green blob disappears after a few hundred hours of use.
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First review: 50GT50 from the UK:
Panasonic GT50 (TX-P50GT50B) 50 Inch Full HD 3D Plasma TV Review
Steve Withers takes a look at Panasonic's elusive GT50
(http://www.hughsnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Panasonic-GT50.jpg)
... As a result of the incredibly accurate picture and the excellent video processing, the resulting 2D images were spectacular.
... There were no problems with floating blacks or brightness pops and we used test patterns to check the uniformity of the screen itself, which was very good with no signs of the dreaded green 'blobs' that were reported on some of last year's Panasonic plasmas.
... The Infinite Black Pro filter was certainly doing its job during the day and when we put out the lights at night, the resulting blacks were incredible. They were very deep and inky, the kind of blacks that provide a solid base to the image and result in an impressive contrast ratio and a suitably wide dynamic range.
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TXP50GT50/rear-connections.jpg)
http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-GT50-TX-P50GT50B-P42GT50-42-50-Inch-Full-HD-3D-Plasma-TV_287/Review.html
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First review: 50GT50 from the UK:
Panasonic GT50 (TX-P50GT50B) 50 Inch Full HD 3D Plasma TV Review
Steve Withers takes a look at Panasonic's elusive GT50
(http://www.avforums.com/reviews/includes/displayimage.php?imageparameters=reviews/287/main.jpg|300|1|0)
... As a result of the incredibly accurate picture and the excellent video processing, the resulting 2D images were spectacular.
... There were no problems with floating blacks or brightness pops and we used test patterns to check the uniformity of the screen itself, which was very good with no signs of the dreaded green 'blobs' that were reported on some of last year's Panasonic plasmas.
... The Infinite Black Pro filter was certainly doing its job during the day and when we put out the lights at night, the resulting blacks were incredible. They were very deep and inky, the kind of blacks that provide a solid base to the image and result in an impressive contrast ratio and a suitably wide dynamic range.
(http://www.avforums.com/reviews/includes/displayimage.php?imageparameters=reviews/287/connections.jpg)
http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-GT50-TX-P50GT50B-P42GT50-42-50-Inch-Full-HD-3D-Plasma-TV_287/Review.html
ang daming connection nito.
im sure i can not afford this.
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hehe im more exited about this LGs new oled i hope they implemented it correctly
here a first look at the LG 55 9600
http://www.gosugadget.com/2012/03/2012-lg-lm9600-55-inch-review-by-tvgosu.html (http://www.gosugadget.com/2012/03/2012-lg-lm9600-55-inch-review-by-tvgosu.html)
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hehe im more exited about this LGs new oled i hope they implemented it correctly
here a first look at the LG 55 9600
http://www.gosugadget.com/2012/03/2012-lg-lm9600-55-inch-review-by-tvgosu.html (http://www.gosugadget.com/2012/03/2012-lg-lm9600-55-inch-review-by-tvgosu.html)
That's an LED (LM9600), not an OLED (EM9600).
OLED manufacturers say they've overcome the problem of fading blue pixels, but I doubt if that's totally true.
Here's the LG OLED, to be released soon:
LG 55" OLED TV Coming this May for $8,000
Boasting a 100,000,000:1 contrast ratio in a 4mm thin body.
by Justin Rubio
March 27, 2012
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/03/27/lg-55-oled-tv-coming-this-may-for-8000
(http://asset0.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/01/09/lg_oled.jpg)
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-57358177/lgs-55-inch-55em9600-oled-tv-wins-best-of-ces/
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That's an LED (LM9600), not an OLED (EM9600).
OLED manufacturers say they've overcome the problem of fading blue pixels, but I doubt if that's totally true.
Here's the LG OLED, to be released soon:
LG 55" OLED TV Coming this May for $8,000
Boasting a 100,000,000:1 contrast ratio in a 4mm thin body.
by Justin Rubio
March 27, 2012
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/03/27/lg-55-oled-tv-coming-this-may-for-8000
(http://asset0.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/01/09/lg_oled.jpg)
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-57358177/lgs-55-inch-55em9600-oled-tv-wins-best-of-ces/
lol your right lg 55 em9600 where em is the correct code name. they should have just change the model number to reflect a totally different technology.
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Hi. a newbie here. don't know if im OT.
bought a Panasonic 32c30 at LiS Shangrila way-back 2010 (dito pala sila kilala sa pdvd)
now im eyeing on Samsung Plasma 43 inches or Panasonic 42X30V
what model ba ang pwede sakin?
Will be using it for our Xbox360, Playstation 3, and a cable channel subscription.
this will be the first time na bibili ako plasma..
ano po ba talaga ang ok? lcd o plasma?
pwede po ba paki pm sakin yung price?
pati na din yung magandang model sa shoot sa needs ko?
Thank you in advance.
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Flagship 50VT50 review --- not much better than the mid-end ST50:
Panasonic TX-P50VT50B Plasma 3D TV Review
By David Mackenzie • 10 April 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £2100
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TXP50VT50/tx-p50vt50b.jpg)
...The Panasonic TX-P50VT50B is another outstanding Plasma television from the company’s 2012 lineup. It features the killer combination of outstandingly deep black levels, excellent screen uniformity, freedom from meaningful viewing angle limitations, natural colour, crisp, blur-free motion, and ultra-fast video gaming responsiveness. ...
However, there is one spectre looming over the VT50 series. Happily for Panasonic, the competition is internal. In our view, the VT50 faces stiff competition from the ST50 range (available in a large 65″ model too for the first time in Europe) which features every single one of the best parts of the VT50 series – although the design is subjectively less extravagant.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt50b-p50vt50-201204101757.htm
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Flagship 50VT50 review --- not much better than the mid-end ST50:
Panasonic TX-P50VT50B Plasma 3D TV Review
By David Mackenzie • 10 April 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £2100
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TXP50VT50/tx-p50vt50b.jpg)
...The Panasonic TX-P50VT50B is another outstanding Plasma television from the company’s 2012 lineup. It features the killer combination of outstandingly deep black levels, excellent screen uniformity, freedom from meaningful viewing angle limitations, natural colour, crisp, blur-free motion, and ultra-fast video gaming responsiveness. ...
However, there is one spectre looming over the VT50 series. Happily for Panasonic, the competition is internal. In our view, the VT50 faces stiff competition from the ST50 range (available in a large 65″ model too for the first time in Europe) which features every single one of the best parts of the VT50 series – although the design is subjectively less extravagant.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt50b-p50vt50-201204101757.htm
beautiful TV
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Do plasma tv's suffer from the soap opera effect(SOE) like most lcd displays. Watching hd broadcast on sky specially fox movies make me quite dizzy because of this effect. I read somewhere that plasma displays are less prone to this. Is it true. thanks
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Do plasma tv's suffer from the soap opera effect(SOE) like most lcd displays. Watching hd broadcast on sky specially fox movies make me quite dizzy because of this effect. I read somewhere that plasma displays are less prone to this. Is it true. thanks
The Soap opera effect you mention only happens if you turn on motion interpolation. You can turn it off in the settings menu if you don't want it. Each company has a name for it, Sony calls it motion flow and Samsung motion plus.
i think the panasonic plasma's have motion interpolation called Intelligent Frame Creation Pro but i think its disabled at default.
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Do plasma tv's suffer from the soap opera effect(SOE) like most lcd displays. Watching hd broadcast on sky specially fox movies make me quite dizzy because of this effect. I read somewhere that plasma displays are less prone to this. Is it true. thanks
No, it's not true. It's not a matter or being prone or less prone to SOE, because SOE is not inherent in either LCD or plasma.
SOE is produced intentionally by way of a motion interpolation software built into the TV. Motion interpolation is an option that can be disabled by the user.
Motion interpolation software is more aggressively promoted by LCD manufacturers than plasma manufacturers. Both plasma and LCD can have that software, depending on the model. But it is not true that LCD is more prone to SOE. You got that from a misinformed author.
The problem with LCD is that resolution goes lower when the image is in motion. To compensate, LCD uses motion interpolation software to hide the reduced motion resolution, although LCD manufacturers claim that the motion interpolation is a desirable feature that eliminates judder. With plasma, resolution is high, regardless of whether the image is static or in motion. That's why plasma doesn't really need any motion interpolation tricks.
Suggested reading:
Is 240Hz worth waiting for?
by David Katzmaier |January 16, 2009 8:58 AM PST
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10144265-1.html
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Cnet Review: Panasonic TC-P55UT50
...As the least-expensive 2012 Panasonic plasma series with 55- and 60-inch sizes, the UT50 series is positioned as a value option, and while it misses a couple of features of the ST50 series, it still boasts very impressive picture quality.
Black levels on the UT50 series are about the same as what we saw on the superb flagship TC-P55VT30 a year ago, which is almost unbelievable in such a cheap TV, and while the sparse color controls give little wiggle room, color accuracy isn't an issue.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50ut50/4505-6482_7-35153392.html?tag=mncol;rvwBody
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Cnet Review: Panasonic TC-P55UT50
...As the least-expensive 2012 Panasonic plasma series with 55- and 60-inch sizes, the UT50 series is positioned as a value option, and while it misses a couple of features of the ST50 series, it still boasts very impressive picture quality.
Black levels on the UT50 series are about the same as what we saw on the superb flagship TC-P55VT30 a year ago, which is almost unbelievable in such a cheap TV, and while the sparse color controls give little wiggle room, color accuracy isn't an issue.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50ut50/4505-6482_7-35153392.html?tag=mncol;rvwBody
When will this P55UT50 be available in the Philippines sir?
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When will this P55UT50 be available in the Philippines sir?
Nobody knows. Not even the dealers. Just check this thread every now and then.
If you're planning to buy a new Panny plasma, I say it has to be the 2012 model (the model numbers with the "50" ending) if you want to have the latest improvements in plasma tech.
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nice thread. very informative.. heheh
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The Panasonic Singapore website recently posted a few 2012 plasma models. This is an indication that the 2012 plasmas will be arriving here sometime soon, hopefully in a few months.
50UT50; 50XT50; 42XT50; 50X50:
http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv
http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/xseries
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aw.... no ST50 :(
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First review: 50GT50 from the UK:
Panasonic GT50 (TX-P50GT50B) 50 Inch Full HD 3D Plasma TV Review
Steve Withers takes a look at Panasonic's elusive GT50
(http://www.hughsnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Panasonic-GT50.jpg)
... As a result of the incredibly accurate picture and the excellent video processing, the resulting 2D images were spectacular.
... There were no problems with floating blacks or brightness pops and we used test patterns to check the uniformity of the screen itself, which was very good with no signs of the dreaded green 'blobs' that were reported on some of last year's Panasonic plasmas.
... The Infinite Black Pro filter was certainly doing its job during the day and when we put out the lights at night, the resulting blacks were incredible. They were very deep and inky, the kind of blacks that provide a solid base to the image and result in an impressive contrast ratio and a suitably wide dynamic range.
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TXP50GT50/rear-connections.jpg)
http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-GT50-TX-P50GT50B-P42GT50-42-50-Inch-Full-HD-3D-Plasma-TV_287/Review.html
my target ... i initially preferred vt50 but i don't think the US$1k+ price difference (though vt50 is 55") for additional features (and single sheet design) are worth enough. isang imac (or macbook) na rin yun :)
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The 8th annual HDTV shootout, hosted by ValueElectronics (New York), is scheduled this May 19 & 20, 2012.
Strongest contenders for "King of HDTV" are the Sharp Elite LED and the Panasonic VT50 plasma.
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Huwag mo lang pagtabihin ne. Umupo kami ni Mrs. sa tapat ng Japanese Version G5 and V5 during my last vacation - and malakas talaga ang pang-akit ng V; not saying at all na pangit ang G because ang ganda nya rin talaga, but ang TALAS ng V when viewed side by side. hehehe.
Ang surprisingly, the Wife also likes the top of the line Panasonic full array LED na D series. Maganda na rin daw...and tama sya, maganda panoorin ang LED kapag MALAYO ka uupo - ang liwanag kasi.
my target ... i initially preferred vt50 but i don't think the US$1k+ price difference (though vt50 is 55") for additional features (and single sheet design) are worth enough. isang imac (or macbook) na rin yun :)
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The 8th annual HDTV shootout, hosted by ValueElectronics (New York), is scheduled this May 19 & 20, 2012.
Strongest contenders for "King of HDTV" are the Sharp Elite LED and the Panasonic VT50 plasma.
the results are out. http://www.facebook.com/pages/ValueElectronicscom-Inc/107818673444 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/ValueElectronicscom-Inc/107818673444)
the winner is Panasonic VT50 8)
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Huwag mo lang pagtabihin ne. Umupo kami ni Mrs. sa tapat ng Japanese Version G5 and V5 during my last vacation - and malakas talaga ang pang-akit ng V; not saying at all na pangit ang G because ang ganda nya rin talaga, but ang TALAS ng V when viewed side by side. hehehe.
Ang surprisingly, the Wife also likes the top of the line Panasonic full array LED na D series. Maganda na rin daw...and tama sya, maganda panoorin ang LED kapag MALAYO ka uupo - ang liwanag kasi.
definitely vt-50 has superior pq being the flagship model. it's just that, the price diff outweighs the advantages of vt-50 for me. but of course if i got the dough flowing, top of the line all the way.
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definitely vt-50 has superior pq being the flagship model. it's just that, the price diff outweighs the advantages of vt-50 for me. but of course if i got the dough flowing, top of the line all the way.
its okay, if you cant afford the vt series, you can get the st series. i hear its a fantastic TV. ST doesnt have isf control or the filters but its PQ and black levels is very close to the VT. if your not a tweaker or obsessed videophile then the St is perfectly fine. ;)
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definitely vt-50 has superior pq being the flagship model. it's just that, the price diff outweighs the advantages of vt-50 for me. but of course if i got the dough flowing, top of the line all the way.
My personal choice is the 50UT50. Primarily because it's relatively cheap (about $1,100); secondly because it doesn't have the louvre filter.
But still, if we're talking best of the best, I'd say the VT50 would still be considered reasonably-priced.
This year's King of HDTV is the Panasonic 65" 65VT50, which beat last year's winner, Sharp's Elite 60" 60x5fd LED. Price of the Panny 65VT50 is about $3,500. Price of the Elite 60x5fd is now about $5,000.
So even if you were swimming in cash, you would actually have to spend less to get the best.
ST doesnt have isf control or the filters but its PQ and black levels is very close to the VT.
I think the ST50 does have the filter. I would have preferred the ST50 if it didn't.
Some owners don't like filters on their plasmas. Here's a comment from another filter hater from avsforum:
Between the time I've spent fiddling with ST/VT50s and what I've gathered on the VT50 thread, I've made a quick list of things thus far of problems that the VT50 is having that we will never have.
- DSE (dirty screen effect)
- Rainbow efffect (similar to dlp)
- less natural crispness/vibrancy
- overall darker (despite the contrary)
- poor vertical viewing angle
That's a lot of problems right there. You know what's causing it? The louvre filter. That new and improved, every so wonderful filter will always be the Achilles' heel of the ST/GT/VT50...
http://72.9.159.100/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=22036982&postcount=304
http://72.9.159.100/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1406618&page=11
How ironic. LCD users loved their matte screens and hated plasma's glossy screens. Now, high-end LEDs have glossy screens; high-end plasmas have filtered screens.
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You really prefer glossy plasma Barrister? I find that very interesting and intriguing.
Since the ST has been phased out in Japan, I dont know if the latest ST50 is still as glossy as its predecessors...but it's not as glassy as the UT or XT anyways. Talo lang talaga sa glare kapag tinabi sa GT and VT at the same illumination level.
The G and V are practically as flat as each other. I was just surprised to notice that parang slightly "magnified" ang image ng G compared to V. Tried to check and double check kung setting lang ng plasmas but I couldnt find any differences in the image/screen settings during the time I was in the store. Got to recheck this further.
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And if last year's data are still valid, those high end LEDs from Sharp and Sony consume more electricity than the VT50.
So even if you were swimming in cash, you would actually have to spend less to get the best.
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You really prefer glossy plasma Barrister? I find that very interesting and intriguing.
Oo naman sir. Controlled light kasi ang HT room ko.
Ang dami kong posts na ganon a ...
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,96467.msg1039817.html#msg1039817
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,19901.msg1593162.html#msg1593162
This year's Panny plasma filter is a new innovation - the louvre filter. Parang blinds ang design, intended to aggressively filter external light coming from above, but not external light coming from other directions.
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I got to audition a TH-50U30 a while ago. I'm convinced about upgrading to plasma! :D
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sorry about the filters i mistook the ST for the UT.
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Thanks for confirming. Ayos lang yon sir. That's what this thread is for.
What's important is that more and more members are starting to get interested in the 2012 Panny plasmas rather than the 2011 ones.
These days, I'm looking for known issues on the 2012 Pannys. Does anyone have more info about the vertical line/bar issue on the screen?
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The Panasonic Singapore website recently posted a few 2012 plasma models. This is an indication that the 2012 plasmas will be arriving here sometime soon, hopefully in a few months.
50UT50; 50XT50; 42XT50; 50X50: ...
aw.... no ST50 :(
Meron na ngayon:
- ST50 http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/sseries (http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/sseries)
- VT50 http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/vseries (http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/vseries)
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Nobody knows for sure what Panny Plasma's "2500Hz Focused Field Drive" means. It's Panny trade secret, and they've never clarified what it really is.
So here's a good attempt at an explanation:
Panasonic 2012 Plasma - 2500Hz FFD Explanation Attempt
http://paytherant.tumblr.com/post/20057368974/panasonic-2012-plasma-2500hz-ffd-explanation-attempt
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Any indication as to when the 50 series will be made available in Manila? Maski ST man lang but better kung GT sana. Kahit hindi na VT
Hi Barrister. Would you like to import a 50 with me? Seriously Tsip. :) Regards
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No imports for me. Takot ako sa warranty problems e.
Nobody knows when the 50 series will become available in Pinas. Not even Panasonic Phil. itself knows.
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What's the feedback as regards the glossiness/glare of the ST50 compared to the GT50 and VT50? (not available in Tokyo).
For reference, it was like this in 2011 (left to right ST30, VT30, GT30). That's my handsome arm reflected on the ST and a Japanese miron ;D But at least the ST it's not a mirror-like as the UT and XT series.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7263/7518748968_0ccae0471f_z.jpg)
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What's the feedback as regards the glossiness/glare of the ST50 compared to the GT50 and VT50? (not available in Tokyo).
For reference, it was like this in 2011 (left to right ST30, VT30, GT30). That's my handsome arm reflected on the ST and a Japanese miron ;D But at least the ST it's not a mirror-like as the UT and XT series.
Foreign forum discussions lang ang basis ko. Based on those discussions:
ST50, GT50 and VT50 all have the same louvre filter. So they should all look the same.
As for the UT50, most say that it is plain glass, but some say it has an ordinary filter (not the new louvre filter). They all say that all 2012 models lower than UT50 have plain, unfiltered glass.
For the 2011 series, the ST30, GT30 and VT30 all have the 2011 louvre filter; however, the ST30 has a light filter, the GT30 has a medium filter, and the VT30 has a heavy filter.
A filter interferes with the picture output, so if you have a dark room, it's better to have no filter. Filters are included only on higher-end models to provide a marketing "differentiation" between model series. But a user who can afford a higher-end model is usually a user with a light-controlled TV room, and thus would be better off without a filter. However, to get a model without a filter, he would have to get a lower-end model. On the other hand, if the user can only afford a lower-end model, he will get a lower-end unit that doesn't have a filter. However, since his usual viewing area is bright, then he's a user who needs a filter. But he can't afford a higher-end model with a filter.
And that's the catch-22 of the Panny filters.
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A little bit OT, are panasonic plasmas more durable than the ones from samsung and LG? I have no problems with the picture quality of the 3 brands. It will all boil down to which company can provide better customer service, and durability. Thanks in advance
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So p50st30 is a 2011 model pala and knowing the st30 50 incher price tag at Sns. I was wondering how much is the ST50 current price at Sns?
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I trust SnS to always give us a fair price.
However, the really big issue about the ST30 is not the price tag, but the green blob:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1545348-green-tinge-fault-panasonic-vt30-gt30-st30-part-2-a.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zdtG-WOo7g
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Panasonic 2012 plasma 42X50 and 50X50 now available at Anson's Makati in front of Landmark.
Anson's Makati in front of Landmark. Manufacturing date is May2012. The price of 42X50 is 35k less 3,500 if cash.
50X50 is P50K; less P5K for cash.
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Panasonic 2012 plasma 42X50 and 50X50 now available at Anson's Makati in front of Landmark.
50X50 is P50K; less P5K for cash.
Kay Sir Vic kaya, magkano to?
Paging Sir VIC!
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Panasonic 2012 plasma 42X50 and 50X50 now available at Anson's Makati in front of Landmark.
50X50 is P50K; less P5K for cash.
Listening in Style posted an advertisement in PDI last week of June. Price of p42x50 is edit 25,995. I'm not sure if they already have the stocks.
Interested din po ako sa p50ut50. Kelan kaya available sa favorite nearest tv store natin ito like SNS, AVX... :)
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50st50 how much po? :)
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50st50 how much po? :)
42x50 (P25,995) is the only 2012 model posted is the advertisement.
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I just saw the Panny plasma 50X50 (lowest-end 2012 model, 720p) at Abenson's Makati this afternoon.
I previoulsy posted that the 42X50 and 50X50 are both available at Anson's Makati in front of Landmark. Well, I just found out that that isn't entirely true ---- they have one 50X50 demo unit on display, but no 42X50 on display; you can buy the 2 models, but they're on order-basis only, since they they don't have any stock.
Unfortunately, the resolution is unacceptable to me.
My Panny plasma 50C10 (purchased Jan. 2009) has a native resolution of 1366 x 768, and the native pixels are not visible to me at a distance greater than 5 feet.
On the other hand, the 50X50 has a native resolution of 1024 x768. I was expecting the resolution difference to be insignificant ---- NOT.
On the 50X50, I can see the native pixels from a distance of about 7+ feet. At 10 feet away (my home viewing distance), the picture still has portions that are slightly jagged. At 5 feet away, forget about it.
I noticed that the 50X50 has a physical pixel structure that's very different from my present TV. Maybe the difference in pixel structures results in a picture that still isn't clean enough even at a 10 foot distance.
The 50X50 was playing some Panasonic demo material. According to the sales rep, content resolution was 1080p, and it looked like 1080p content, judging from the Panny LCDs nearby playing the same material.
I was wearing my trifocal eyeglasses while looking at the 50X50. I'm far-sighted without glasses, but I assure you, once my glasses are on, my vision is perfect.
I can't buy this TV at any price, since it's much worse than my present TV. So it's back to waiting for the 50UT50 for me.
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thats a bummer bro barrister. baka kaya mura sya cause of the panel/resolution. :(
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to barrister, merong ad sa inquirer today page a19 na ang Listening in Style daw meron ng Panasonic 65st50, gt50 at vt50. Ewan lang kung totoo.
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to barrister, merong ad sa inquirer today page a19 na ang Listening in Style daw meron ng Panasonic 65st50, gt50 at vt50. Ewan lang kung totoo.
Thanks for the heads-up!
50 inch lang ako, sobrang gastos pag 65. Kung wala pang 50" na ST50, I'm sure malapit nang magkaroon.
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I just saw the Panny plasma 50X50 (lowest-end 2012 model, 720p) at Abenson's Makati this afternoon.
I previoulsy posted that the 42X50 and 50X50 are both available at Anson's Makati in front of Landmark. Well, I just found out that that isn't entirely true ---- they have one 50X50 demo unit on display, but no 42X50 on display; you can buy the 2 models, but they're on order-basis only, since they they don't have any stock.
Unfortunately, the resolution is unacceptable to me.
My Panny plasma 50C10 (purchased Jan. 2009) has a native resolution of 1366 x 768, and the native pixels are not visible to me at a distance greater than 5 feet.
On the other hand, the 50X50 has a native resolution of 1024 x768. I was expecting the resolution difference to be insignificant ---- NOT.
On the 50X50, I can see the native pixels from a distance of about 7+ feet. At 10 feet away (my home viewing distance), the picture still has portions that are slightly jagged. At 5 feet away, forget about it.
I noticed that the 50X50 has a physical pixel structure that's very different from my present TV. Maybe the difference in pixel structures results in a picture that still isn't clean enough even at a 10 foot distance.
The 50X50 was playing some Panasonic demo material. According to the sales rep, content resolution was 1080p, and it looked like 1080p content, judging from the Panny LCDs nearby playing the same material.
I was wearing my trifocal eyeglasses while looking at the 50X50. I'm far-sighted without glasses, but I assure you, once my glasses are on, my vision is perfect.
I can't buy this TV at any price, since it's much worse than my present TV. So it's back to waiting for the 50UT50 for me.
Sir diba same lang ng resolution c10 and x50 which is 1024 x768? Baka naman sa settings lang ng tv kaya hindi maganda output? 2011 models and up is not prone to IR unlike the plasmas in the previous years and I think X50 has a better contrast ratio than c10. X50 has a 3.5 million is to 1 while c10 is 2 million is to 1 so on dark scenes X50 should perform better.
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to barrister, merong ad sa inquirer today page a19 na ang Listening in Style daw meron ng Panasonic 65st50, gt50 at vt50. Ewan lang kung totoo.
wow this so good to hear about it, just a little more waiting time for dat 50st50 :D, i just hope its price tag will not be more than 85k, threshold level ko yan hehehe....
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Sir diba same lang ng resolution c10 and x50 which is 1024 x768?
Which C10, 42 or 50?
42C10 is 1024 x 768. 50C10 is 1366 x 768.
50C10 specs: Number of Pixels :1,049,088 (1366 x 768) pixels
http://www.world-import.com/Panasonic_TH-P50C10_Multi_System_Plasma_TV.htm
50" Panny plasmas have long been 1366 x 768. That's a WXGA resolution (16 x 9). After the C10 series, 50 inchers were given a 1024 x 768 resolution, the same as the 42 inchers, which is an XGA resolution (4:3).
Baka naman sa settings lang ng tv kaya hindi maganda output? 2011 models and up is not prone to IR unlike the plasmas in the previous years and I think X50 has a better contrast ratio than c10. X50 has a 3.5 million is to 1 while c10 is 2 million is to 1 so on dark scenes X50 should perform better.
- Settings will not change the pixel structure. The native physical pixel on the 50X50 has thick left and right walls, very different from the 50C10.
- There is no appreciable improvement in IR performance from 2008 to 2012. This is actually much worse than my 2006 model 42" Japan-made plasma, which had no IR whatsoever.
- Yes, it's true that the new plasmas have improved contrast ratios. That's the spec that has had true improvement every year.
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Which C10, 42 or 50?
42C10 is 1024 x 768. 50C10 is 1366 x 768.
50C10 specs: Number of Pixels :1,049,088 (1366 x 768) pixels
http://www.world-import.com/Panasonic_TH-P50C10_Multi_System_Plasma_TV.htm
50" Panny plasmas have long been 1366 x 768. That's a WXGA resolution (16 x 9). After the C10 series, 50 inchers were given a 1024 x 768 resolution, the same as the 42 inchers, which is an XGA resolution (4:3).
- Settings will not change the pixel structure. The native physical pixel on the 50X50 has thick left and right walls, very different from the 50C10.
- There is no appreciable improvemnt in IR performance from 2008 to 2012. This is actually much worse than my 2006 model 42" Japan-made plasma, which had no IR whatsoever.
- Yes, it's true that the new Plasmas have improved contrast ratios. That's the spec that has had true improvement every year.
Ah ganon ba sir models kasi now same ng resolution yung 42 and 50 inch, and hindi na standard 720p resolution ng mga hd ready ngayon so wala na nga reason sir to go for x50. Better wait for the ut50 or st50 nga para full hd na. Ok naman IR performance nung st30 kahit sa first 100 hours watch ako movies with black bars and no IR so far. Pero alam ko yung x20 sabi nung friend ko may IR issue pero nawawala din naman.
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Ah ganon ba sir models kasi now same ng resolution yung 42 and 50 inch, and hindi na standard 720p resolution ng mga hd ready ngayon so wala na nga reason sir to go for x50.
Wala naman talagang kahit anong TV na may exactly 720p horizontal resolution. Shorthand lang ang "720p" sa native panel resolution para hindi confusing. Ang eksaktong 720p ay yung video content, hindi yung panel native resolution. Para hindi magulo, 720p na rin ang tawag sa panel resolution.
Yung 50C10 ko, malinis talaga sa 10 feet viewing distance ko. Up to 5 feet nga, maganda pa rin. Ang 50X10, 10 feet na, magaspang pa rin.
Maybe the 42X10 will perform better kasi 1024 x 768 din, pero mas maliit ang pixels kasi mas maliit ang panel size. Wala lang 42X10 sa Anson's display e, kaya hindi ko pa na eyeball. Kaya lang, hindi ako masisiyahan sa 42" at 10 feet, kaya 1080p na talaga ang next TV ko.
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Wala naman talagang kahit anong TV na may exactly 720p horizontal resolution. Shorthand lang ang "720p" sa native panel resolution para hindi confusing. Ang eksaktong 720p ay yung video content, hindi yung panel native resolution. Para hindi magulo, 720p na rin ang tawag sa panel resolution.
Yung 50C10 ko, malinis talaga sa 10 feet viewing distance ko. Up to 5 feet nga, maganda pa rin. Ang 50X10, 10 feet na, magaspang pa rin.
Maybe the 42X10 will perfrom better kasi 1024 x 768 din, pero mas maliit ang pixels kasi mas maliit ang panel size. Wala lang 42X10 sa Anson's display e, kaya hindi ko pa na eyeball. Kaya lang, hindi ako masisiyahan sa 42" at 10 feet, kaya 1080p na talaga ang next TV ko.
Mejo malayo nga viewing distance mo sir liliit nga 42 inches dun hehe, sakin sakto lang 42 kasi 5 to 6 feet lang viewing distance ko eh pero hopefully next buy ko 50 inches na pero exclusive lang for movies para tipid kuryente.
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to barrister, merong ad sa inquirer today page a19 na ang Listening in Style daw meron ng Panasonic 65st50, gt50 at vt50. Ewan lang kung totoo.
How much kaya ang 65vt50?
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I called Listening in Style in Shang. 65" and 42" lang daw ang 2012 panny plasmas available.
50" models expected to arrive next month. No prices yet.
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i suppose there's no 42 inch. for an st50 right? would be nice if they could give us an approximate price for 50ST50 in their store.
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I try not to think about it. Saves me the aggravation ... >:( :D
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Panasonic Philippines website now has 42X50S (720p), 50X50S (720p), and 65ST50S (1080p):
http://www.panasonic.com.ph/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/0/plasmatv
http://www.panasonic.com.ph/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/0/stseries
They are all "S" series. "S" is a country code that means "Singapore." I'm sure Panny Phil. would have brought in the 50" 1080p if it was up to them, so if they don't have it, then its unavailability must have been beyond their control.
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I called Listening in Style in Shang. 65" and 42" lang daw ang 2012 panny plasmas available.
50" models expected to arrive next month. No prices yet.
sir barrister meron ka no. ng Listening in Style? interested ako sa 65vt5o..
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Panasonic plans to move away from CE.
http://www.whathifi.com/blog/panasonic-chairman-plans-company-shift-away-from-tvs-%E2%80%93-and-consumer-electronics-but-is-it-too-l (http://www.whathifi.com/blog/panasonic-chairman-plans-company-shift-away-from-tvs-%E2%80%93-and-consumer-electronics-but-is-it-too-l)
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Panasonic plans to move away from CE.
http://www.whathifi.com/blog/panasonic-chairman-plans-company-shift-away-from-tvs-%E2%80%93-and-consumer-electronics-but-is-it-too-l (http://www.whathifi.com/blog/panasonic-chairman-plans-company-shift-away-from-tvs-%E2%80%93-and-consumer-electronics-but-is-it-too-l)
I read that as well and hope it does not happen :'(
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sir barrister meron ka no. ng Listening in Style? interested ako sa 65vt5o..
632-9785
http://www.facebook.com/ListeningInStyle/info
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632-9785
http://www.facebook.com/ListeningInStyle/info
thanks! with wifey's consent ;) ;)
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That's one hell of an expensive TV! You're sure she'll still agree when she finds out how overpriced it is in the Philippines?
Just in case, tell her it's the world's best 2011/2012 TV ;):
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,19901.msg1656207.html#msg1656207
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Panasonic plans to move away from CE.
http://www.whathifi.com/blog/panasonic-chairman-plans-company-shift-away-from-tvs-%E2%80%93-and-consumer-electronics-but-is-it-too-l (http://www.whathifi.com/blog/panasonic-chairman-plans-company-shift-away-from-tvs-%E2%80%93-and-consumer-electronics-but-is-it-too-l)
If this pushes through, does this mean no more technical support for our bought TVs? :'(
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That's one hell of an expensive TV! You're sure she'll still agree when she finds out how overpriced it is in the Philippines?
Just in case, tell her it's the world's best 2011/2012 TV ;):
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,19901.msg1656207.html#msg1656207
just called ListeningInStyle, :o :o wheww my wifey is ok but i'll try to canvass first in SG price difference..
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If this pushes through, does this mean no more technical support for our bought TVs? :'(
I don't think they'd abandon the market immediately. Maybe they'd start thinning out the product lines and selling related assets in the next few years. I don't think they can just turn cold turkey, as they still have so much invested into this product segment. Perhaps they'd take on strategic partners that'd eventually absorb the business (like how Matsush!ta spun off JVC).
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I don't think they'd abandon the market immediately. Maybe they'd start thinning out the product lines and selling related assets in the next few years. I don't think they can just turn cold turkey, as they still have so much invested into this product segment. Perhaps they'd take on strategic partners that'd eventually absorb the business (like how Matsush!ta spun off JVC).
Thanks for the reply sir Ivan! I surmise that it is not a good idea to buy a Panasonic ???
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Thanks for the reply sir Ivan! I surmise that it is not a good idea to buy a Panasonic ???
You're welcome, Doc. It probably shouldn't affect most people as long as the product offering appeals to the buyer's needs. Most makers would keep repair parts available for 5 years from the date of last manufacture (if another company takes over Panasonic's CE business, the acquirer would likely be extending this support in their behalf).
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You're welcome, Doc. It probably shouldn't affect most people as long as the product offering appeals to the buyer's needs. Most makers would keep repair parts available for 5 years from the date of last manufacture (if another company takes over Panasonic's CE business, the acquirer would likely be extending this support in their behalf).
Hope that's how things will be...Anyway, I'm a big Sharp fan now ;)
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Hope that's how things will be...Anyway, I'm a big Sharp fan now ;)
Sharp is really good coming from the no. 1 LCD maker in Japan. The price though has its premium. Ouch!
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Sharp is really good coming from the no. 1 LCD maker in Japan. The price though has its premium. Ouch!
I agree. The high end models are pricey.
The LC90LE745U is an impressive set though, if you can accept the price tag. I hope they launch an Elite version of this one too (with local dimming) -- not that I'm gonna buy one anytime soon.
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Imperfect 10s: Best TVs for design, features, picture quality, and value
Check out the four 2012 TVs so far to score a "10" in each of our four
review subratings: Design, Features, Picture quality, and Value.
by David Katzmaier |July 13, 2012 8:45 AM PDT
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57465571-221/imperfect-10s-best-tvs-for-design-features-picture-quality-and-value/
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Imperfect 10s: Best TVs for design, features, picture quality, and value
Check out the four 2012 TVs so far to score a "10" in each of our four
review subratings: Design, Features, Picture quality, and Value.
by David Katzmaier |July 13, 2012 8:45 AM PDT
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57465571-221/imperfect-10s-best-tvs-for-design-features-picture-quality-and-value/
It seems like having the best picture quality does not amount to having the best marketing strategy :(
It's obvious that Panasonic tvs are really good! This year the best 40-42 for most experts goes to Panasonic for it's plasma line. The best HD ready TV is the LED Panasonic 32X30 (we did a side by side a few months back at SnS) and yet Samsung sales are still rocketing off the shelves (no offense to Samsung as their mid to high ends have greatly improved).
A conversation with Vic of Sights and Sounds reveals a very Samsung dominated sale...
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It seems like having the best picture quality does not amount to having the best marketing strategy :(
It's always been that way for any product.
Walk into any big appliance store and compare the Sammy displays with the Panny displays. One look at the Sammy section and a Joe will think, "This has to be the world's best." One look at the Panny section and he'll think, "Is anybody still buying these crap TVs?" :D
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Anyway, I've been scouring the US and UK forums for any known issues on the 2012 NeoPlasmas, and all I came up with is a minor issue --- The vertical bands:
They are very faint vertical stripes that are best seen on gray or green test patterns. They are mostly invisible on regular program material. Here's a simulation of what to look for:
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3601/gt50s.jpg)
Note: This is just a simulated mock-up, not an actual picture.
The vertical bands are so faint that an actual picture won't show it up accurately.
Actually, the bands were also present on the 2011 NeoPlasmas, and were in fact more severe. The 2011 bands largely went unnoticed because the 2011 green blob issue was dominating the issue discussions. 2nd most-discussed 2011 issue was the pink tint. 2011's 30 series was an undesirable bunch.
This year, it seems that nearly all 2012 NeoPlasmas still have the bands, but they are now very faint. Some of them have reportedly become even fainter with use. Some users are reporting that the May 2012 build does not have the vertical bands.
http://www.highdefjunkies.com/showthread.php?13703-Vertical-lines-on-Panny-Plasmas-on-the-right-side/page4
I was pretty determined to find more issue discussions, since I know that there is no such thing as a TV without issues. But this is all I came up with so far. Looks like Panny has a pretty good series this year.
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Samsung PNE6500 or PSE6500 is it available in the philippines?
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There are many complaints in the UK about vertical bands.
Looks like the factory for the UK models (Czech Republic?) is making out-of-spec units with more serious vertical banding.
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1638736-panasonic-2012-banding-issue-now-dseb-not-banding.html
Avoid Panny plasmas with the "B" country code.
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Someone was asking about IFC on a Panasonic Plasma? The soap opera effect is there but it's too mild. If you are not aware that IFC is set to High, you may not even notice it, but since I knew IFC was ON, I could detect the visual difference compared to that without IFC. Nagkataon pa na katabi ng Panasonic V50 ang SonyHX850 sa store so kitang kita ang layo ng SOE level. The Sony 850 is pretty awesome anyways.
Saan (Metro Manila) store meron display unit ng 50 series (ST or GT or VT)? 50 inch nga yata ang smallest size from the ST series this year.
Pakibulong naman ang prices ng 50 series sa SnS. Thanks!
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I am quite satisfied with my plasma panny. Would still buy it, if i will need one for another room.
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Was able to audition st30, ut30 and e450 side by side. I really like the st30. Ang ganda ng picture compared to the other 2. What I really like about it is its panel, parang wala masydo reflection. Even if the light was directly on top of it. Mas reflective pa din yung 2 panels. Also, the black bars sa movie, they're really black, unlike sa iba na medyo grey.
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Is the th-p55st30s the best right now which is available locally?
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Is the th-p55st30s the best right now which is available locally?
Yes and no --- yes for best picture quality, but no for best over-all.
ST30 (2011) has the best picture, if we exclude its known issues of green blobs, pink tints, and vertical stripes. If we include the ST30's known issues, the best locally available might be the Samsung E550 plasma (2012):
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162437.0.html
Samsung E550 is a lower model range than the Panny ST30, but there's no Samsung plasma available locally with a model range equivalent to the ST30.
Sammy E550 negatives --- no screen filter; flickering on fades-to-black; picture quality is inferior to the ST30. Positives --- no green blobs; no pink tints; no vertical stripes; very resistant to image retention.
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That's too bad. I'm planning to buy this coming weekend and the pana is my top choice but since i read your reply I'm having second thoughts :-\
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It's model 2010 but DOM sells 42V20 for 35K. (Ayoko sanang i-plug dahil may maitim akong binabalak - baka mapabili pa ako ng isa during my holiday and maubusan...hehehe) The V20 will blow away any HDTV at that price.
Wala nga lang 3D.
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Bought 42ST30 2 months ago, updated its firmware on day 1, been using it everyday and haven't noticed any green blobs, pink tints and vertical stripes yet and IR was not a big issue, it disappears quickly. Either it was corrected by the latest firmware or maybe Im just not looking for it or waiting for those issues to appear while watching and enjoying its overall picture quality.
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It's model 2010 but DOM sells 42V20 for 35K. (Ayoko sanang i-plug dahil may maitim akong binabalak - baka mapabili pa ako ng isa during my holiday and maubusan...hehehe) The V20 will blow away any HDTV at that price.
Wala nga lang 3D.
Talaga Alan for just 35k? Wow that is nice. BTW, how does the V20 differ from the VT20? I might upgrade my S10 to a V20 ;)
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VT20 has 3D.
Tirhan mo ako ng isa ne...baka sakali lang..hehehe. Kaya lang 42 inch nalang available kay DOM kaya esep esep because my wife wants the same 50 inch we have in Tokyo. Attractive kasi yung price considering we got the 42V20 for 65K in Aug 2010.
S10 to V20? - Sell the S10 and get the V20! Wala ka na bang ibebentang murang PCH? hehehe
Talaga Alan for just 35k? Wow that is nice. BTW, how does the V20 differ from the VT20? I might upgrade my S10 to a V20 ;)
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S10 to V20? - Sell the S10 and get the V20! Wala ka na bang ibebentang murang PCH? hehehe
My thoughts exactly!!! Will sell the S10 to buy a V20 ;D
Sorry sir pero ala pang PCH eh. I'm currently trying an egreat R6A-ii my LG BD630 is having difficulty playing some of the movies that I have. Although the egreat is also having problems playing some AVI and Mp4 files. Sorry po sa OT ;D
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Balak ko rin magbenta na kung ano-ano then perhaps get another V20. Maski ST30 won't compare to the V20 lalo na during daylight (pero mas mura yata sa 35K ang ST30?). ST50 should be quite good though - but certainly wont sell for 35K until at least 2014. Hehehe
Dang I really wanted to buy your PCH kaso binenta mo when no one was in our Pasig house.
AVI, MP4, FLV - weakness ng most standalone media players. MOV puede pa pero pipit rin sound. Those NMTs are mostly meant to be "high def MKV players" kasi - I guess. OT sorry.
My thoughts exactly!!! Will sell the S10 to buy a V20 ;D
Sorry sir pero ala pang PCH eh. I'm currently trying an egreat R6A-ii my LG BD630 is having difficulty playing some of the movies that I have. Although the egreat is also having problems playing some AVI and Mp4 files. Sorry po sa OT ;D
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AVI, MP4, FLV - weakness ng most standalone media players. MOV puede pa pero pipit rin sound. Those NMTs are mostly meant to be "high def MKV players" kasi - I guess. OT sorry.
I thought so too. That is why I'm just downloading the MKV-High Res versions of those files. Again sorry for the O.T.
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Bought 42ST30 2 months ago, updated its firmware on day 1, been using it everyday and haven't noticed any green blobs, pink tints and vertical stripes yet and IR was not a big issue, it disappears quickly. Either it was corrected by the latest firmware or maybe Im just not looking for it or waiting for those issues to appear while watching and enjoying its overall picture quality.
The green blob is a 2011 issue that was never corrected.
It's possible that your panel is one of the few that does not have it. It's also possible that it's one of the many that have it, and you just haven't noticed yet.
Check the screen uniformity with a plain gray slide.
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So ano ang recommended plasma na meron sa local market?
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What about the samsung 43e450 and 490? Sir barrister, whats your take on those. Im in the market for a plasma. Initially, the lg pa4500 was already ok with me until I read your post about lg plasmas. Plus I cant sort out the warranty terms. Then came the ut30, I was set on that until yesterday when I saw the st30. But im afraid of the green blob.
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Unless you really want to have 3D, get the 42V20 ni Dom for 35K. I have been using one (very happily) in Pasig since 2010 and a 50 inch version in Tokyo (even more happily). Carlo777 also has one. That a high end HDTV at ST30 price level. At least try to check it out.
Pero if you need something bigger, hmm I dont know what's good out there. Perhaps an LED?
What about the samsung 43e450 and 490? Sir barrister, whats your take on those. Im in the market for a plasma. Initially, the lg pa4500 was already ok with me until I read your post about lg plasmas. Plus I cant sort out the warranty terms. Then came the ut30, I was set on that until yesterday when I saw the st30. But im afraid of the green blob.
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Unless you really want to have 3D, get the 42V20 ni Dom for 35K. I have been using one (very happily) in Pasig since 2010 and a 50 inch version in Tokyo (even more happily). Carlo777 also has one. That a high end HDTV at ST30 price level. At least try to check it out.
Pero if you need something bigger, hmm I dont know what's good out there. Perhaps an LED?
True, we're still very happy with the V20, and one more thing about the V20...it's a plasma, that still looks like a plasma! Not that I don't like the new models, it's just that I feel like they're trying to catch up with the brilliance of LED which should not be the case...
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Bakit sa website ng panasonic puros 50 na ang ending ng mga model nila, while you guys are talking V20 which i cannot find in their website. Does that mean phased out na ang model 20 or panasonic is just presenting their new models?
http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/asia/vt_plasma.html
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5X - 2012 model
3X - 2011 model
2x - 2010 model
4 was skipped because 4 in Japanese is SHI which can denote death.
Nagkataon lang na member DOM has somehow acquired a few units of the high end model of 2010 na 42V20 and offers it for 35K only!
Bakit sa website ng panasonic puros 50 na ang ending ng mga model nila, while you guys are talking V20 which i cannot find in their website. Does that mean phased out na ang model 20 or panasonic is just presenting their new models?
http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/asia/vt_plasma.html
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5X - 2012 model
3X - 2011 model
2x - 2010 model
4 was skipped because 4 in Japanese is SHI which can denote death.
Nagkataon lang na member DOM has somehow acquired a few units of the high end model of 2010 na 42V20 and offers it for 35K only!
Thanks for the clarification.
Sir barrister, so hindi ka na bili ng 50X50 after seeing it at abensons? Sasabayan sana kita sa pagbili coz i believe in your reviews. Hindi ba sulit X50?
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Try ko po ito Sir barrister, how to test for Pink Tints?
The green blob is a 2011 issue that was never corrected.
It's possible that your panel is one of the few that does not have it. It's also possible that it's one of the many that have it, and you just haven't noticed yet.
Check the screen uniformity with a plain gray slide.
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Try ko po ito Sir barrister, how to test for Pink Tints?
This is how it looks like:
(http://cdn.avsforum.com/4/49/525x525px-LL-491e0e34_vbattach241398.jpeg)
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1400482/panasonic-2011-green-and-pink-tint
That's a plain gray slide. Instead of a solid gray color, there's a green blob in the center and a pink tint on the sides. There are some units that reportedly don't have it. Others noticed that the discoloration fades after a few hundred hours of normal use.
If you don't have test patterns, you can try the gray slides from the free downloadable plasma break-in video by Evangelos:
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm
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downloaded Break-In Images from evangelos
sharing result in my ST30:
(27mm f/3.5 ISO250)
a light vertical stipe can be seen on both sides
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae331/Allan_2180/DSC_4738.jpg)
no sign of "Green Blob" or "Green Tinge" and "Pink Tint here:
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae331/Allan_2180/DSC_4745.jpg)
also here:
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae331/Allan_2180/DSC_4747.jpg)
Im glad that my unit has no "green blob" or "green tinge" and "pink tint"
I can live with that vertical stripe that appears on a rare solid gray scenes
from local broadcast and movies :)
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Is it possible to test this before purchasing in SNS?
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downloaded Break-In Images from evangelos
sharing result in my ST30:
(27mm f/3.5 ISO250)
Im glad that my unit has no "green blob" or "green tinge" and "pink tint"
I can live with that vertical stripe that appears on a rare solid gray scenes
from local broadcast and movies :)
Congrats and thanks for sharing the results!
If there is no green blob, then I think the TV is fine. The vertical stripe is not going to be a big deal, since it will be mostly invisible on regular content; besides, the stripe is also present on the 2012 models.
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Also bought the P55ST30S yesterday from SnS, so far so good
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guys, justified ba yung price difference ng st30 at ut30? I mean, i dont wanna pay for the extra premium if the difference between the models are not glaring.. thanks (natakot tuloy ako dun sa green blob issue)
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Also bought the P55ST30S yesterday from SnS, so far so good
nice one jun, pm naman ng damage ;)
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Just got my 42ST30 last night from SNS.
*note: im not an expert.
Originally i was planning to get the UT.
Then i stumbled upon good reviews about the PANA 42ST30 and Skyworth 42E96. Also the cheap price of the SAMY PS43E490 came into the picture. I was fortunate enough to see these 4 side by side (but not on just 1 store)
Side by side of the UT and ST e makikita mo talaga ang picture quality difference. Costs an additional 3k for it and some other more technical stuff. The Skyworth was way above my budget (original budget started at 25k and grew up to 35k!). Samy is not FULL HD (but i think that doesnt matter much for me), but has a free wifi dongle and 2 3d glasses and really really looks great and is cheaper by 5k! :) Samy came in a very very close 2nd due to the price, aesthetics, and the free wifi dongle, and aesthetics. Hehehe.. these units are really really pretty!
What got me sold to the ST is the great picture quality, skin tone colors, motion something technology, and the really black black. :)
Right now its still in its box. Will be looking for a good stable TV rack later. This thing is listed at 29Kgs! Hehehe... Are those TV racks at SM and the likes OK? How about the ones that you assemble?
Thanks to everyone here in this forum for all the reviews and comments. Really means a lot! :)
Special thanks to sir Vic for always answering my queries here in PDVD and in their FB page. Also to the tech guy at SnS Jon jon for assisting and giving good product info on all the units ive asked about. :)
Will keep you posted once i get this unit up and running. :)
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Bakit sa website ng panasonic puros 50 na ang ending ng mga model nila, while you guys are talking V20 which i cannot find in their website. Does that mean phased out na ang model 20 or panasonic is just presenting their new models?
http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/asia/vt_plasma.html
50 series is year 2012;
30 series is year 2011;
20 series is year 2010.
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nice one jun, pm naman ng damage ;)
regular prices haha,
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VT 30 Panasonic
:) ;) :D ;D
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woah..for sure vt30 is really expensive..and there's no 42" version.
btw, why is the pq of V20 better than ST30 (dim room)? Isn't it 1 generation late? I was expecting them to be the same.
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Hi mga Sirs! I have a question.. Do you guys have any idea as to when Panasonic will release the ST50 series here in the Philippines? I'm having this temptation that I feel at the moment indulging- to purchase either the Panny 50ST30 or the Sammy 51e550. Ang problema, baka biglang lumabas yung ST50, and within my budget naman, baka manghinayang ako.. Tyia ;D
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V20 is model 2010. ST30 is 2011 but IMO, never caught up to the technology of the V series - not even close. How can you compare a glary TV to a V series? Why do you think the ST series was phased out in cutting edge Japan? The panel tech itself is totally different. Bring a torchlight and tapatan mo ng ilaw ang V screen - you'd see only a layer of light reflection while an S series would have more layers.
The ST50 is another story though because by some indications, it seems to have a strong anti-glare filter exclusive only to the GT and VT series. Some people claim such filter makes the PQ look inferior to plain glass - I'd say please look at the image quality first then give us your comments again.
Just arrived last Sat night in Manila and have spent any free time I had watching full BDs on a 42V20 under all lights. I can make my Tokyo living room very bright but my bedroom in Pasig is super daylight bright (imagine putting 2x20 plus 1x45W bright spiral lights in a 20sqm area plus mood lights along the edges of ceiling and lamp shades on 2 sides). I guarantee you, it's freakin gorgeus kahit anong panoorin mo under any lighting condition and 24P cinema smoother actually works (albeit not as strong as that of LED) - and 2 years of usage - walang effect sa electric bill sa Pasig in terms of kWh. So if you totally dont care about 3D, 35K is very best spent on the remaining stocks of V20 DOM. Just to give an idea how easily viewable the screen is, this afternoon, I rewatched the very dark TDK with veranda curtains fully open under CINEMA mode. Try to do that on a ST30 is you can see anything at all.
btw, why is the pq of V20 better than ST30 (dim room)? Isn't it 1 generation late? I was expecting them to be the same.
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Panasonic vs. Panasonic
Which is the Best Panasonic Plasma HDTV for 2012?
Analyzing Panasonic top to mid-tier 2012 plasma HDTVs:
ST50, GT50, and VT50
Review Date: July 12, 2012
...Conclusion
While the VT50 is the Panasonic plasma HDTV series that delivers the best features and picture, yet there is one more important parameter that has to be factored in the 'overall value' equation — price.
In this respect, it is the ST50 series with sets such as the 55-inch TC-P55ST50 and the 60-inch TC-P60ST50 that gets our thumbs up; only just, but it still remains the Panasonic plasma HDTV series that gets our preferred choice even in the face of the VT50 series. We think that the premium one has to pay to move from the GT50 to the VT50, and even more so from the ST50 to the VT50 series, does not quite equate to what you get as 'extra' in terms of enhanced features and improved picture quality with VT50 HDTVs.
http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/panasonic-plasma-hdtv-2012.html
http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/panasonic-plasma-hdtv-2012-1.html
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meron na 42in VT30
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meron na 42in VT30
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Sir Dom, how much?
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UK Review ---- 42X50:
(http://static.trustedreviews.com/94%7C000024090%7C5d55_orh348w620_PanasonicP42X50front.jpg)
http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-tx-p42x50_TV_review#tr-review-summary
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Are the 2012 models will be made available here sa Pinas?
I'm looking around for a new TV and I noticed that Panasonic displays are getting scarce. I mean, kunti na lang yun mga naka display na TV. Minsan wala pang Sales Rep that you ask for certain newer models.
Somebody told me that Panasonic Philippines will abandon the Audio and Video business here sa atin kaya. How true is this?
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Are the 2012 models will be made available here sa Pinas?
I'm looking around for a new TV and I noticed that Panasonic displays are getting scarce. I mean, kunti na lang yun mga naka display na TV. Minsan wala pang Sales Rep that you ask for certain newer models.
Somebody told me that Panasonic Philippines will abandon the Audio and Video business here sa atin kaya. How true is this?
I don't think Panny Phils. will abandon the Phil. AV business. Akala lang niya tinatamad na sa TV business ang Panny Phil. this 2012, kaya akala niya titigil na sa TV ang Panny Phil. Ang hindi niya alam, matagal nang tamad ang Panny Phil., kaya normal lang talaga nila ito. :D
Yes, 2012 models will be made available here. A few units of 42X50, 50X50 and 65ST50 models are already available.
As for the more desirable 42ST50 and 50ST50 models, matagal pa yan. Yung ST30 models of 2011 nga, bagong release pa lang dito e.
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i saw on facebook, the listening room is selling a 42vt30 for P39,000. ang daya, sana noon pa nila ginawa yan...although i'm happy with my ut30, i could be happier... :)
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As for the more desirable 42ST50 and 50ST50 models, matagal pa yan. Yung ST30 models of 2011 nga, bagong release pa lang dito e.
I thought the ST30s are imported units and covered only by store warranty?
If Panasonic Phil. is "slacking" on selling their TVs, kamusta kaya ang service centers nila and parts availability dito sa atin?
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Yes, I also think the 30s could be gray units.
As for after-sales service and parts availability, I haven't had any experience with Panny Phils. But if a company is slacking on TV availability, it's likely that it would also slack on after-sales service and parts availability.
Gray units are problematic only if the store does not have a good after-sales reputation. If you buy from a reputable store like SnS, it shouldn't matter if it's a gray unit or not. I'd feel safer relying on the retail store than relying on Panny Phil.
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As for after-sales service and parts availability, I haven't had any experience with Panny Phils. But if a company is slacking on TV availability, it's likely that it would also slack on after-sales service and parts availability.
I agree. If they're not putting enough effort to earn revenue from selling their products, I don't think they'd have much enthusiasm in spending money to support their customers either.
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Gray units are problematic only if the store does not have a good after-sales reputation. If you buy from a reputable store like SnS, it ashouldn't matter if it's a gray unit or not. I'd feel safer relying on the retail store than relying on Panny Phil.
yup i heard only good comments for SnS in fact i bought my 1st lcd tv from them, the lg lh35 cguro mga 2years ago. It was only recently that the power supply conked out. LG Phil was able to replace the defective module and my TV is fine again. Well this little incident also signals that its time for upgrade :-), so off to SnS i went and the ST30 caught my fancy.
So assuming, and based on my first purchase with them, that after 2 years the ST30 broke and Panny Phil which is NOW "slacking" on their TVs is in much worse state , can SnS or any retail stores be able to provide service and secure parts that is no longer available here?
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2 years? I don't think so.
In-store repairs are possible as long as parts are available. If the store can't get the parts from the local distributor, they won't be able to do much about it either. The store can import the part, but cost will be so high that repairing might not be a feasible option.
On a defective unit, problems often appear within months from first use. That's when SnS after-sales service is very helpful. If a defect appears that soon, SnS will replace the whole unit. In comparison, the Philippine distributor will usually refuse a replacement and insist on a repair.
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Cross-posting for E-reply:
We are awaiting the new ST50 that will arrive at the end of September this year. Will advise here when units become available. :D
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Sir Vic,
Please reserve one 50 inch. ST50 for me thanks a lot ;)
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I wonder if the 55" and 65" variants will also reach Manila.
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Panasonic TX-P42GT50B Plasma Smart TV Review
By Vincent Teoh • 14 August 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £1250
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TXP42GT50/tx-p42gt50b.jpg)
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42gt50b-201208142085.htm
Screen uniformity is the known issue:
Using full-field grey test patterns to check for screen unevenness, we noticed a vertical band of lighter discolouration – most obvious around 20% to 30% stimulus – running down the right side of the panel (2 cm wide; 2 inches from the right-side edge). In real-world viewing this was largely invisible, except when the scene panned across a solid background of a specific tonality (which was pretty rare).
None of the professional reviewers noticed the vertical bands before user comments mentioned them on the the US and UK forums. The pro reviewers have taken their cue from the forum posts and are now routinely mentioning the vertical bands.
Note: The vertical band issue is present on all of the NeoPlasma models of 2012.
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There is a recent sale of 42VT30s in the marketplace.. at P44,000~45,000, are they worth it? The VT30 is last year's high end afterall..
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The green blob/pink tint is a known issue of the 30 series. Here's a pic using a light gray test pattern:
(http://cdn.avsforum.com/4/49/525x525px-LL-491e0e34_vbattach241398.jpeg)
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1400482/panasonic-2011-green-and-pink-tint
If the 42VT30 on sale does not have the green blob, then yes, it's going to be worth it.
I estimate the 42ST50 price to be around 60k or less when it first arrives sometime in October 2012, so 44k for a 42VT30 is fine.
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Check out the listening room's facebook page. P38k cash ang 42vt30 with 2 3d glasses.
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Ayos yan sir. Very low price.
Baka wala na talagang green blobs ang latest releases ng 2011 series:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,158416.msg1700510.html#msg1700510
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Are the Panasonic TV coming from the US or any flatpanel in general are 110V or Autovolt na 110 to 220V?
Any reliable Panasonic service center here in the Philippines that is tried and tested?
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Are the Panasonic TV coming from the US or any flatpanel in general are 110V or Autovolt na 110 to 220V?
Any reliable Panasonic service center here in the Philippines that is tried and tested?
US TVs are not autovolt. They're fixed at 120v, 60Hz (not 110v).
I still don't know why US appliances are almost always 120v-only, when autovolt is old tech that has been around for some 30 years.
Panasonic has many service centers, but I haven't had experience with any:
http://www.panasonic.com.ph/wps/portal/home/getsupport/servicerepair/quickrepairservice
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US TVs are not autovolt. They're fixed at 120v, 60Hz (not 110v).
I still don't know why US appliances are almost always 120v-only, when autovolt is old tech that has been around for some 30 years.
Panasonic has many service centers, but I haven't had experience with any:
http://www.panasonic.com.ph/wps/portal/home/getsupport/servicerepair/quickrepairservice
Most major companies actually go out of their way to differentiate products between different markets (it'd be cheaper to manufacture the same product and supply the same replacement parts for all markets). Coming from the CE world, the most common reason for specializing products for particular markets is to discourage sales of the product across distribution geographies. The company benefits from having a footprint in every major geography, but the costs, brand strategy, sales and profit expectations for each geography differs. It works against the company's interests to have their distribution channels compete against each other, as this will drive down prices and will kill profitability of smaller operations.
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Waiting for the ST50.. Matagal na ring walang upgrade. Just in time for christmas!
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Most major companies actually go out of their way to differentiate products between different markets (it'd be cheaper to manufacture the same product and supply the same replacement parts for all markets). Coming from the CE world, the most common reason for specializing products for particular markets is to discourage sales of the product across distribution geographies. The company benefits from having a footprint in every major geography, but the costs, brand strategy, sales and profit expectations for each geography differs. It works against the company's interests to have their distribution channels compete against each other, as this will drive down prices and will kill profitability of smaller operations.
I think this is the right answer.
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Hello sir.
I saw this reseller selling a 42 X50 for only 23500. He says it's covered by local manufacturers warranty ( Panasonic Philippines).
Does anyone know how I can verify his claim without having to buy a TV first?
Miccollo
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I guess the only way to confirm is to call Panasonic and inquire if the retail store is an authorized seller.
If they say yes, inquire if the store purchased a batch of the same model. If they say yes again, you're almost certain that you'll be buying a white unit.
If you want to be 100% sure, ask Panny Phils. if the TV's serial number corresponds with their list of units delivered to the retail store. If the serial number does not check out, it means the store is mixing gray units with white units.
But I wouldn't be too worried about it. In the past, gray units were common, since white units cost the retailer too much. At the time, retail prices of the white units were extremely high. These days, gray and white units cost about the same, so it's really not worth the retailer's trouble to get the grays.
The easier method is to ask if the retailer will be issuing a Panny Phils. warranty card. I've never heard of fake warranty cards before, so if they say yes, then it's almost certainly a white unit.
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thanks sir barrister!
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The easier method is to ask if the retailer will be issuing a Panny Phils. warranty card. I've never heard of fake warranty cards before, so if they say yes, then it's almost certainly a white unit.
Yep, iba yung warranty card ng local units. Meron reply card that you mail to MEPCO for registration.
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Panasonic TX-P50UT50 review
By John Archer
20 Aug 2012 07:30
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... The key to explaining the previous paragraph lies, as ever with Panasonic plasmas, with the P50UT50’s black level response. Watching dark movie scenes on Blu-ray on the P50UT50 with the lights dimmed or, ideally, completely switched off is every bit as mesmerising an experience as we would have hoped.
... Now we get to the not quite so good news. First, the P50UT50’s images don’t hold up nearly as well when watched in relatively bright conditions as those of the ST50 and above models.
...If this were still 2011 the P50UT50 would have bagged a strong recommendation, thanks essentially to its ability to deliver the most cinematic experience we’ve had for less than £800. However, the advances made by Panasonic’s 2012 Neo Plasma models in terms of contrast, brightness and the ability to function well in a bright room do make the temptation to step up to at least the Panasonic ST50 models very hard to resist.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-tx-p50ut50_TV_review
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may ilang sellers na dito sa pdvd na nagbebenta ng X50 series. ::) (but I'll skip that and wait for the ST50! ;))
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I estimate the 42ST50 price to be around 60k or less when it first arrives sometime in October 2012, so 44k for a 42VT30 is fine.
Wow!I wonder how much the 50" screen would cost ??? For now, I guess I'll just keep saving.
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50ST50 will be around P70K+. Guesstimate lang.
50 incher na talaga ang dapat bilhin ngayon.
When I bought my first Panny plasma in 2006, hindi sulit mag 50 incher, kasi P160K ang 42"; 230K ang 50". Ngayon, sa lapit ng presyo ng 42 vs 50 inch, hindi na sulit mag 42 incher.
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Panasonic TX-P42UT50B review
Reviewed by Niall Magennis on 22 August 2012
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A measly two HDMI ports and the reflective screen will be a deal breaker for some, but the 42-inch Panasonic TX-P42UT50B will reward you with excellent picture quality, good online features and strong audio if you can put up with these failings. It's an excellent budget buy.
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/tvs/panasonic-tx-p42ut50b-review-50008953/
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Panasonic TX-P42UT50B review
Reviewed by Niall Magennis on 22 August 2012
(http://cdn-static.cnet.co.uk/i/product_media/40002557/image1/440x330-panasonic-tx-p42ut50b-angled.jpg)
A measly two HDMI ports and the reflective screen will be a deal breaker for some, but the 42-inch Panasonic TX-P42UT50B will reward you with excellent picture quality, good online features and strong audio if you can put up with these failings. It's an excellent budget buy.
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/tvs/panasonic-tx-p42ut50b-review-50008953/
I'll be waiting for this or its 50" brother to be available! :D
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The lowest-end 1080p Panny plasma for 2012: 50UT50 review from Cnet:
Panasonic TC-P50U50 review
Cnet Senior Editor David Katzmaier
Review Date: 8/24/12
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50u50/4505-6482_7-35149658.html
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I made up my mind that I'll get the P42X30, then I found out na meron ng P42X50, ano kaya difference and worth it ba to go with the P42X50?
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Hi all can someone educate me regarding the power consumption of plasma vs led some say it's minimal however I have read that plasma consumes 2x or 3x more power than led. I'm just afraid that my electricity will sky rocket once I go plasma. Thanks
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Hi all can someone educate me regarding the power consumption of plasma vs led some say it's minimal however I have read that plasma consumes 2x or 3x more power than led. I'm just afraid that my electricity will sky rocket once I go plasma. Thanks
It's a case per case basis. I guess what most people mean is that even if your Plasma consumes twice as much as a same-sized LED/LCD TV, the price difference won't equate to much. How much of your bill is caused by TV use, btw?
A current 50" plasma may run 300W in-use for typical TV programming, while an equivalent LED might use 60W at the same brightness level. That sounds like a fivefold change in power consumption. But the 240W difference if used 8 hours a day and 7 days a week would just amount to 58 kW-h. If you factor in the difference in cooling bills (with AC use), that's 209MJ to take out. If your AC averages 8 kJ/W-h in actual use, that's 26 kW-h of cooling needs. The total difference would be 84kW-h per month. Since the average cost of residential electricity supposedly amounts to 11 Pesos per kW-h, that's a maximum of 924 Pesos of difference.
If you only use your TV for 3 hours per day 5 days a week, the same TV will only cost 250 Pesos more per month.
In effect: If you use your TV a lot, the price differential between a LED and a Plasma TV may be bridged by power savings over the lifespan of the TV. If you don't use it as much, then the savings won't add up.
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I made up my mind that I'll get the P42X30, then I found out na meron ng P42X50, ano kaya difference and worth it ba to go with the P42X50?
They're very similar TVs. If the price differential is very small, it might be better to get the newer TV.
Also consider 50" variants, as they don't cost that much more.
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here's barrister's take on the 50x50 (page 5 of this thread)
I just saw the Panny plasma 50X50 (lowest-end 2012 model, 720p) at Abenson's Makati this afternoon.
I previoulsy posted that the 42X50 and 50X50 are both available at Anson's Makati in front of Landmark. Well, I just found out that that isn't entirely true ---- they have one 50X50 demo unit on display, but no 42X50 on display; you can buy the 2 models, but they're on order-basis only, since they they don't have any stock.
Unfortunately, the resolution is unacceptable to me.
My Panny plasma 50C10 (purchased Jan. 2009) has a native resolution of 1366 x 768, and the native pixels are not visible to me at a distance greater than 5 feet.
On the other hand, the 50X50 has a native resolution of 1024 x768. I was expecting the resolution difference to be insignificant ---- NOT.
On the 50X50, I can see the native pixels from a distance of about 7+ feet. At 10 feet away (my home viewing distance), the picture still has portions that are slightly jagged. At 5 feet away, forget about it.
I noticed that the 50X50 has a physical pixel structure that's very different from my present TV. Maybe the difference in pixel structures results in a picture that still isn't clean enough even at a 10 foot distance.
The 50X50 was playing some Panasonic demo material. According to the sales rep, content resolution was 1080p, and it looked like 1080p content, judging from the Panny LCDs nearby playing the same material.
I was wearing my trifocal eyeglasses while looking at the 50X50. I'm far-sighted without glasses, but I assure you, once my glasses are on, my vision is perfect.
I can't buy this TV at any price, since it's much worse than my present TV. So it's back to waiting for the 50UT50 for me.
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^ thanks for the review of the 50X50! :) I'm definitely waiting for the ST50 now! ;)
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It's a case per case basis. I guess what most people mean is that even if your Plasma consumes twice as much as a same-sized LED/LCD TV, the price difference won't equate to much. How much of your bill is caused by TV use, btw?
A current 50" plasma may run 300W in-use for typical TV programming, while an equivalent LED might use 60W at the same brightness level. That sounds like a fivefold change in power consumption. But the 240W difference if used 8 hours a day and 7 days a week would just amount to 58 kW-h. If you factor in the difference in cooling bills (with AC use), that's 209MJ to take out. If your AC averages 8 kJ/W-h in actual use, that's 26 kW-h of cooling needs. The total difference would be 84kW-h per month. Since the average cost of residential electricity supposedly amounts to 11 Pesos per kW-h, that's a maximum of 924 Pesos of difference.
If you only use your TV for 3 hours per day 5 days a week, the same TV will only cost 250 Pesos more per month.
In effect: If you use your TV a lot, the price differential between a LED and a Plasma TV may be bridged by power savings over the lifespan of the TV. If you don't use it as much, then the savings won't add up.
Thanks for the insight. I'm planning to buy an hdtv this December pa naman but doing research already as early as now Hehe. Eyeing a Panasonic plasma since I'm reading a lot of positive feedbacks on their tvs.
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Cross-posting:
Nagpunta ako sa Store ni Sir DOM kahapon ng umaga...
Nakita ko din sa corner ng store may bago silang unit ng Panasonic 42ST50, ganda ng PQ saka parang LED, manipis ;D
Nakanamboogie! Kelan kaya yung 50ST50?
next week or this weekend ;)
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Cross-posting:
can't wait either bro :)
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False alarm ... :P
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To be late by a full year, but in return be able to buy a 50VT50 locally at around 60K - not so bad ne. :)
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To be late by a full year, but in return be able to buy a 50VT50 locally at around 60K - not so bad ne. :)
Nasasabi mo lang yan sir kasi wala pang 2013 release.
Sa 2013, mura nga ang 50VT50 sa Pinas. Pero sa 2013 din, laos na ang VT50 kasi may VT60 na sa US... ;)
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From Panasonic Phils --- 50XT50 plasma (2012):
(http://www.panasonic.com.ph/wps/wcm/connect/8f5b56004ccf7afe8066cae6dd9d37c8/TH-P42XT50S-Web-Image%28%28Asia%29%29-1.jpg?MOD=AJPERES&ContentCache=NONE&CACHEID=8f5b56004ccf7afe8066cae6dd9d37c8)
50XT50 --- 720p, active 3D, WiFi ready, web browser
http://www.panasonic.com.ph/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/plasma/xtseries/VIERA_TH-P50XT50X
Note: All 3 of the current 2012 plasma models from Panasonic Phils. have the country code "X": 42X50X, 50X50X, and 50XT50X. "X" stands for "Mexico."
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From Panasonic Phils --- 50XT50 plasma (2012):
50XT50 --- 720p, active 3D, WiFi ready, web browser
http://www.panasonic.com.ph/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/plasma/xtseries/VIERA_TH-P50XT50X
Note: All 3 of the current 2012 plasma models from Panasonic Phils. have the country code "X": 42X50X, 50X50X, and 50XT50X. "X" stands for "Mexico."
Display Resolution 1,024 (W) x 768 (H) :P :P
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Wala ngang kuwenta yan sir... :'(
Iba na ang mga bagong 720p ngayon, kita ang native pixels. From around 8 feet, mas makinis pa nga ang picture ng lumang 480p plasma ko... :P
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Wala ngang kuwenta yan sir... :'(
Iba na ang mga bagong 720p ngayon, kita ang native pixels. From around 8 feet, mas makinis pa nga ang picture ng lumang 480p plasma ko... :P
kaya nga bro eh. initial plan was to get 51" samsung or 50" x50 pana, buti nalang nagpa"buyo" ako kay bro allan. :)
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I think kaya kita ang pixels ng new models is because of the BIG screen size. Are the older units mentioned for comparison also in 50 or 51 inches? If it is smaller then definitely the 720 or 400+ resolution wont be to visible.
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Wala ngang kuwenta yan sir... :'(
Iba na ang mga bagong 720p ngayon, kita ang native pixels. From around 8 feet, mas makinis pa nga ang picture ng lumang 480p plasma ko... :P
bakit yung PV80 ko noon, mas OK pa sa CX20 na nabili ko, same resolution lang sila IIRC.
lalong mas maganda ang PV80 vs my previous LG 3d plasma. :-\
parang niloko ko lang sarili ko dahil mas malaki yung mga bagong bili ko vs my old 42PV80, kaya isip ko maganda pq :D
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I think kaya kita ang pixels ng new models is because of the BIG screen size.
My present plasma TV is 50C10, 50" 720p. The plasma TV I looked at was 50X50, also 50" 720p. The 50X50 looks much worse, even if it also has a 720p resolution.
I keep repeatedly saying that the pixel structure of the new X50 is different.
On the 50X50, I noticed fine vertical stripes on white areas of the picture. When I moved in closer, I saw that the fine stripes were actually the side walls of the pixels.
It's not about pixel size, it's about pixel structure.
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I got to see a 50X50 on display at Listen Up, Glorietta. IMO, the picture quality is "noisy"! :-\
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I got to see a 50X50 on display at Listen Up, Glorietta. IMO, the picture quality is "noisy"! :-\
Video noise such as dithering is normal on plasmas when your viewing distance is too close. Magkaibang aspect siguro yung napansin natin.
Get close (about 4 feet) and look for fine vertical stripes composed of the side walls of the pixels.
Move farther (about 7 feet) and you will see that the fine stripes will still be visible on white areas.
Move farther (about 10 feet). OK na ang picture? Hindi pa rin. Look for curved edges on graphics or letterings. Instead of a smooth curve, you'll see jagged edges (stair-stepping). Plus, you'll still see some hint of the annoying fine stripes on white areas.
Compare with LCDs/LEDs nearby, and observe how much cleaner the images are on the 720ps. Sure, the 720p LED has the advantage of smaller size (32"). But all you have to do is use a closer viewing distance for the LED, and a farther viewing distance for the 50X50, and you even up the comparison. You'll conclude that there's just something wrong with the picture on that 50X50.
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I got to see the Panasonic 65ST50 earlier at SM Appliance. it has got to be the best plasma tv I've seen so far! ::) ;)
nakakapagtaka lang ang plasma tv line-up ng Panasonic Philippines: 42X50K, 50X50K, 50XT50K, at 65ST50. puro 720p tapos biglang top-of-the-line 65" Full HD 3D? :o
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I got to see the Panasonic 65ST50 earlier at SM Appliance. it has got to be the best plasma tv I've seen so far! ::) ;)
Buti ka pa sir. Ako, nakakita na ng 65ST50 sa Listening Shang, kaya lang, naka-off yung TV ... :P
nakakapagtaka lang ang plasma tv line-up ng Panasonic Philippines: 42X50K, 50X50K, 50XT50K, at 65ST50. puro 720p tapos biglang top-of-the-line 65" Full HD 3D? :o
Weird talaga ang Panny Phils.
A few months ago, ang 2012 lineup nila ay: 42X50, 50X50 and 65ST50. Yung ayaw ko, meron sila. Yung gusto ko, wala sila.
They recently changed their plasma lineup on their website (a few days ago lang yata). Wala nang 65ST50 ngayon. Ang meron, 42X50, 50X50, and 50XT50. 720p lahat yan. Walang 1080p plasma kahit isa. Weirdo talaga ... ::)
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^Now that's messed up.. Kaya talon ka na din Sir Barrister sa VT30 bandwagon. :)
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I got to see the Panasonic 65ST50 earlier at SM Appliance. it has got to be the best plasma tv I've seen so far! ::) ;)
nakakapagtaka lang ang plasma tv line-up ng Panasonic Philippines: 42X50K, 50X50K, 50XT50K, at 65ST50. puro 720p tapos biglang top-of-the-line 65" Full HD 3D? :o
napaisip yuloy ako ng husto.... I didn't know kasi na meron palang 720p na st50 that I had to check what I ordered :o buti na lang 1080p 8) 8) 8)
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I got to see the Panasonic 65ST50 earlier at SM Appliance. it has got to be the best plasma tv I've seen so far! ::) ;)
nakakapagtaka lang ang plasma tv line-up ng Panasonic Philippines: 42X50K, 50X50K, 50XT50K, at 65ST50. puro 720p tapos biglang top-of-the-line 65" Full HD 3D? :o
Chief magkano tag price 65st50 sa SM?
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napaisip yuloy ako ng husto.... I didn't know kasi na meron palang 720p na st50 that I had to check what I ordered :o buti na lang 1080p 8) 8) 8)
Walang 720p ST50 sir.
X50 & XT50 are 720p.
U50, UT50, ST50, GT50 and VT50 are all 1080p
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@barrister
Atty, have you asked LIS sa presyo ng 65st50?
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Chief magkano tag price 65st50 sa SM?
209k bro. :)
I'd definitely choose this over Sharp's 80" LED TV! ;D
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@barrister
Atty, have you asked LIS sa presyo ng 65st50?
Sorry sir, makalimutan ko na, hindi kasi ako interesado ... :( Pero 200K+ din in July. It should be cheaper now.
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My present plasma TV is 50C10, 50" 720p. The plasma TV I looked at was 50X50, also 50" 720p. The 50X50 looks much worse, even if it also has a 720p resolution.
I keep repeatedly saying that the pixel structure of the new X50 is different.
On the 50X50, I noticed fine vertical stripes on white areas of the picture. When I moved in closer, I saw that the fine stripes were actually the side walls of the pixels.
It's not about pixel size, it's about pixel structure.
iirc, ang mga 50in plasma few years ago, resolution nila is 1366x768. Ngayon kahit mga 50in, if not full hd, 1024x768 na din. I wonder why, cost cutting?
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iirc, ang mga 50in plasma few years ago, resolution nila is 1366x768. Ngayon kahit mga 50in, if not full hd, 1024x768 na din. I wonder why, cost cutting?
Looks like Panny wanted to limit it to 2 resolutions.
They used to have 2 resolutions: 852 x 480 (EDTV or "Extended Resolution TV") for 42"; and 1366 x 768 (WXGA or "Wide Extended Graphics Array") for 50". Both of them are 16:9 pixel ratios.
Next, they phased out the 852 x 480 for the 42" and replaced it with 1024 x 768 (XGA or "Extended Graphics Array"). This time, they had 3 resolutions: XGA 1024 x 768 (42" only); WXGA 1366 x 768 (50" only); and Full HD 1920 x 1080 (for all panel sizes).
I think it was in 2010 that they phased out the 1366 x768 resolution and also replaced it with the 1024 x 768 resolution. So now, Panny plasma resolutions are cut down from 3 types to the 2 that we have now: XGA 1024 x 768 and Full HD 1920 x 1080. Both resolutions are available in 42" and 50" sizes. But any panel size larger than 50" always comes with a Full HD resolution.
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For panel sizes larger than 50", you'd think that resolutions have nowhere to go but up. ... Not.
Surpisingly, in 2012 Samsung came up with two 60 inch plasmas that are not Full HD --- the 60 inch PenTile panels of the 60E550 and 60E530. It's more power-efficient, but expectedly produces an inferior picture. What's more puzzling is that Samsung won't even tell us what the resolution is. All they're saying is that it "reproduces FHD-like experience." :P
http://ramsaysmarthomes.ca/info/Samsung%202012%20Panel%20Chart.pdf
The footnote reads: *Samsung’s Pentile Panel reproduces FHD-like experience utilizing sub-pixel rendering technology, making it 40% energy efficient over last year’s 59” comparable model.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
I've searched all over the net but I can't find any info as to why the pixel structure on the Panny X50 is different from their older 720p plasmas. Maybe it's because no enthusiast seems to be interested in those low-end models.
I don't know if the Panny X50 is using PenTile displays. It's a theory I have, but so far, I haven't found anything to back that up.
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^Now that's messed up.. Kaya talon ka na din Sir Barrister sa VT30 bandwagon. :)
Maganda talaga ang VT30 sir, but if I get a green and pink issue, I think I'm going to regret it, especially now that we're so close to getting the ST50.
Somebody finally saw the green and pink on a 2011 model. And he saw the same thing on 5 sets, no less:
I bought a 50VT30 a week ago but had to send it back for a refund because of the dreaded green and pink tint issue. Thinking that it was limited to my set, I tested 4 other panels of different manufacturing dates but all exhibited the same problem. It's a beautiful TV and I'm aware that there's no such thing as a perfect set but the color uniformity issue is just significant and something that I can't live with.
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Maganda talaga ang VT30 sir, but if I get a green and pink issue, I think I'm going to regret it, especially now that we're so close to getting the ST50.
Somebody finally saw the green and pink on a 2011 model. And he saw the same thing on 5 sets, no less:
Also read this from the other thread, I think it's unfortunate that it has come to this.. Purchasing TV shouldn't come down to lottery where we're lucky if we can land a decent issue/(s)-free screen. Not to mention we are spending a huge fraction of our savings for this.
I for one, am a very happy VT30 owner. As I mentioned to you before in a PM, I saw the green tint during a FW update. But after watching a whole NFL game in HD, have not seen it since.
But yes, patience, more often than not, draws its own reward! Good luck sayo Sir! ;D
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I for one, am a very happy VT30 owner. As I mentioned to you before in a PM, I saw the green tint during a FW update. But after watching a whole NFL game in HD, have not seen it since.
I remember you said "green tinge" in the PM, so I assumed it was just a slight green tint all over, and not a prominent green blob in the center of the screen.
Unlike yung kay sir Tonmeister, which I understood to be a real green blob.
But either way, if it's no big deal to you, then everything's fine. After all, the 2012 panels are not perfect either --- they have their own set of issues as well.
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Care to share the best picture settings for P55ST30 masters?
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Panasonic TX-P42UT50B Plasma 3D TV Review
By David Mackenzie • 25 September 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £550
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TXP42UT50/tx-p42ut50b.jpg)
...Without any strong light to wash out the picture, the TXP42UT50B gave us a measurement of 0.009 cd/m2 on both a full black screen and on an ANSI checkerboard test chart. That’s equivalent to the company’s VT50 flagship plasmas which cost many, many times more than the UT50. This is extraordinary performance for a display of this price.
...Before we reviewed the Panasonic TX-P42UT50B, we had the idea that the UT50 series’ picture quality would be essentially the same as the excellent ST50′s, factoring in the omission of the antireflective plasma screen coating on this cheaper display. That assumption turned out to be right on the money: provided you’re in a dimmer environment where its deep blacks won’t be washed out by light hitting the screen, the TX-P42UT50 produces the same outstanding picture quality, and in the right environment, it’s frankly hard to tell it apart from the very best.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42ut50b-p50ut50b-201209252218.htm
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Panasonic 50X5!
2012 plasma, 50 inch, 720p
(http://avutools.avu.ca/data/pricetag/products/panasonic/TCP50X5_1_M.jpg)
Panasonic TC-P50X5 review
By Ty Pendlebury
... This is the only Panasonic plasma I don't recommend. In fact, much like many of the company's LCD and LED TVs, I encourage you to actively avoid it.
... After hogging the headlines of our plasma TV reviews all year, the company's luck had to end somehere, and that's here. ...The Panasonic, unfortunately, is mediocre. After good performance from the U50 I was curious to see how deep the rabbit hole went, and it seems in this case not that far -- it's more of a pothole here in Panasonic's "X" series.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50x5/4505-6482_7-35315178.html
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the X series is really the one to avoid. :-\ the UT, ST, and VT are good choices though. :)
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On the cnet First Look video, Ty Pendlebury says "this is the worst plasma I've seen this year."
He recommends the Samsung 51E450 instead of the Panasonic 50X5 (both are 720p plasmas for 2012).
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50x5/4505-6482_7-35315178.html
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On the cnet First Look video, Ty Pendlebury says "this is the worst plasma I've seen this year."
He recommends the Samsung 51E450 instead of the Panasonic 50X5 (both are 720p plasmas for 2012).
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50x5/4505-6482_7-35315178.html
I agree with him. I've seen the Samsung E450 series plasma, and I think they look decent.
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On the cnet First Look video, Ty Pendlebury says "this is the worst plasma I've seen this year."
He recommends the Samsung 51E450 instead of the Panasonic 50X5 (both are 720p plasmas for 2012).
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50x5/4505-6482_7-35315178.html
It's the same problem that's in the X20 and X30 models. :(
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Pendlebury mentions pixel structure on page 2:
Like any 720p plasma at 50 inches, it can be possible to see pixel structure depending on your seating distance. At a distance of 8 feet it was easiest to discern the vertical structure on the X5 over any of the other 720p TVs in the lineup, which included a 50-inch Samsung and a 42-inch LG.
Pixel visibility at 8 feet is unacceptable, since that's the viewing distance of the average living room.
On the old 50 inch 720p plasmas, pixel structure was invisible from even 5 feet away. For the 2012 720p Panny, not anymore.
And note that Pendlebury says the "vertical structure" was easiest to see on the Panasonic X5, compared with other current-year 720p plasma TVs. This is what I've been talking about for months. That "vertical structure" is visible as fine vertical stripes, especially on white areas of the picture, and they are visible even from 10 feet away.
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Also, Pendlebury says the green error can't be corrected:
Looking at the RGB color chart (of which I've added a screenshot below and which is available in full at the bottom of the page) you can begin to see where the green problem comes from. See how that little green dot is way out in.. well... Green-land? That's bad, and unfortunately it's impossible to correct with the minimal controls this television offers. The TV's grayscale is another major contributor; while OK in the brighter areas, it's noticeably green in middle and darker areas.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50x5/4505-6482_7-35315178-2.html
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Our 60st50 as reached Manila na, 1 more week or less it should be home for testing........... Woohoooooo!
Time to get me a pch400, kelan kaya release nyan?
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Avforums (UK) member "mtunreal69" suggests a reason for the vertical bands on the Panny 2012 plasmas.
He thinks the bands are caused by non-uniformity in the coating process of film filters. This rules out firnware updates as a possibe fix.
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1684219-plasma-diagnostics-pioneer-red-tint-panasonic-50-series-vbi-mvbi.html
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one thing I know I will not be doing... look for things that would make me disappointed with the purchase. Drawbacks of direct purchase is warranty is an issue :)
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Anyone knows the power consumption of the 42st30. Im getting different values online. thanks
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Panasonic TX-P42ST50 review
By John Archer
5 Oct 2012 07:00
(http://static.trustedreviews.com/94%7C000024d3f%7C481a_orh348w620_PanasonicTX-P42ST50Front.jpg)
http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-tx-p42st50_TV_review#tr-review-summary
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mga sir i saw the green/pink issue above but I cannot fully understand and picture out the problem.
Although kinakabahan ako kasi I ma encountering issue with my panasonic 42ST30.
First my connections are:
PS3 -> AVR -> ST30
Measy -> AVR -> ST30
While playing PS3, bigla na lang nagbliblink at may pixelized gray (with other small colors) in the screen tapos mag wawarp then mawawala ang picture total black pero may audio, minsan babalik, minsan hindi. I tired to move the input selection of the AVR and move it back to PS3, sometime bumabalik sometime no.
Same happens when connected to my nmt measy x5.
Also, it keeps on going back to balck with "HDMI" on top left. Parang nagpapalit ng basa ng resolution.
is this a known issue?
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No, video dropout is not a known issue for the 2011 Panny plasmas.
Look for an HDMI problem.
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^hindi po kaya nagalaw lang yung hdmi cable? minsan ganyan nangyayari sa akin pero pag ginalaw ko lang ng konti yung hdmi connection sa tv, ok na.
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also happened with my 42ST30 before, connection was PCH->ST30.
ung video signal coming from my PCH-A200 nagiging grainy at nagkakaroon ng
speckles na ngra-rainbow sa edge ng mga images,
nagpalit lang ako ng 400 pesos 1meter na HDMI cable from ACE Hardware, so far di na uli naulit kahit pa nagbago ako ng connection PCH->YAMAHA AVR->ST30.
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i tried to change the HDMI cable from AVR to TV with my handy CDR king HDMI cable. Last night played 3 games of 2k13 and 2 episodes of tv series walang issue na lumabas.
unfortunately this afternoon i tested it again, played 2k13, wala pa sa 3rd qtr lumabas na ulit yung issue.
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na-try mo ba na i-connect muna ng direct sa ST30 both media player and PS3?
AFAIK sensitive ang HDMI cables sa bending at pag madalas tinatanggal-kabit sa HDMI ports.
-posible na HDMI Switching ng AVR ang nagca-cause ng video dropout sa ST30?
-posible na may sign of wear na ang mga HDMI Ports.
-posible din na nabend ng matindi HDMI Cable at nagbago impedance ng wires sa loob kya
nawawala na sa timing ang signal pgdating sa Input ng ST30 causing drop-out.
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i tried to change the HDMI cable from AVR to TV with my handy CDR king HDMI cable. Last night played 3 games of 2k13 and 2 episodes of tv series walang issue na lumabas.
unfortunately this afternoon i tested it again, played 2k13, wala pa sa 3rd qtr lumabas na ulit yung issue.
Duda ako sa CDR King HDMI cable mo sir.
Chambahan lang pag CDR King HDMI. Minsan OK, minsan hindi.
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na-try mo ba na i-connect muna ng direct sa ST30 both media player and PS3?
AFAIK sensitive ang HDMI cables sa bending at pag madalas tinatanggal-kabit sa HDMI ports.
-posible na HDMI Switching ng AVR ang nagca-cause ng video dropout sa ST30?
-posible na may sign of wear na ang mga HDMI Ports.
-posible din na nabend ng matindi HDMI Cable at nagbago impedance ng wires sa loob kya
nawawala na sa timing ang signal pgdating sa Input ng ST30 causing drop-out.
sir will do troubleshooting this weekend and update you all.
thanks for the inputs.
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available na ba sa mga stores natin ang 42ST50? how much?
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available na ba sa mga stores natin ang 42ST50? how much?
Wala pa sir.
Pag meron na, siguradong may sariling thread na dito ang model na yon.
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^ would you still recommend getting a 42ST30 or 42VT30 now, even though the ST50 and VT50's arrival in our market is imminent?
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Duda ako sa CDR King HDMI cable mo sir.
Chambahan lang pag CDR King HDMI. Minsan OK, minsan hindi.
They either work or they don't. Best tested at the store before taking home.
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If I were in Manila, I would have taken the effort to look for a goooood VT30. That price is definitely worth the try, at least.
^ would you still recommend getting a 42ST30 or 42VT30 now, even though the ST50 and VT50's arrival in our market is imminent?
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Agree to you sir clondalkin..
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^ would you still recommend getting a 42ST30 or 42VT30 now, even though the ST50 and VT50's arrival in our market is imminent?
Yes, because there are VT30s without issues (ST30 is no longer available), and ST50s & VT50s are not perfect either.
The VT30 is very cheap now, while ST50 and VT50 willl surely be very expensive here when they become available. Considering the price difference, I'd say you should give the VT30 a try.
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Got my tv... Woohoo!
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/sonny715/177e5a97ae6f7700cd5eabdfc675cba6.jpg)
Sorry for the lame pictures, will post better ones later.
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/sonny715/f7f99715a32decef27a97967416fa0f5.jpg)
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congrats bro! sulit na sulit ang paghihintay ;)
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congrats bro! sulit na sulit ang paghihintay ;)
salamat Jamy. nagulat nga kami kasi we were expecting it near the end of Oct. then we were advised that it has landed and expect it next week. bigla naman dumating kanina... not that I'm complaining or anything... hihihi.
wala syang green and pink blob so far...
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some pictures from the cable (not even digital)
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/sonny715/P1010470.jpg)
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/sonny715/P1010468.jpg)
as soon as I was able to connect to my internet network, it updated.
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/sonny715/P1010480.jpg)
then
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/sonny715/P1010482.jpg)
from youtube.
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/sonny715/P1010483.jpg)
and from my wife's flash drive
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/sonny715/P1010475.jpg)
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Congrats bro for your new TV.ganda nyan!
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Congrats at ang ganda
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Sir Barrister, I sent you pm, I believe you can help me on my problem. Thanks!
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Got it.
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bro barrister anytime this year, mainstream na ang 2012 panasonic plasma .. :)
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bro barrister anytime this year, mainstream na ang 2012 panasonic plasma .. :)
Sorry sir, not interested in 2012 models. 2013 na e. ;)
In the electronics industry, one year is an eternity. Panasonic Philippines doesn't seem to care, so I shouldn't either.