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Home Theater => Audio => Amplifier => Topic started by: jerix on Jul 20, 2012 at 06:07 AM
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Because of some good readings here on the audio performance of old or maybe vintage amps, I recently got myself an old amp. after about 2 weeks of enjoyment the amp conked. Its left channel got that loud static noise. I had it repaired and that busted capacitors, etc. made me shell out 2.5k in Love electronics. I know its an old unit and did not ask for a warranty from the seller here. So wala akong nagawa. :'(
I bought another one and more expensive unit and after about several weeks of use that amp for no reason just dont want to turn on. Feeling ko lugi ako dito because i cannot use the amp. Again we did not talk about warranty with the same seller. I dont know if I will PM the seller for this kasi he might not give me the answer i want. Ano sa tingin nyo? Sino ba ang me ganitong problema? Thanks
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lesson learned....do not believe everything you read here.....;D
imho, the seller has a moral obligation to assist you with your problem........saan ba nabile yan? so we know which ones to avoid....
2.5k for busted capacitors? hmmm......i may yet go back to repairing amps.....pays good pala.....;D
buying second hand, is like playing in the casino....sometimes you hit the jackpot other times you lose, such is life.....:D
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Thats a lot for busted capacitors.. 100 peso part + 2400 labor >:(
2.5k for busted capacitors? hmmm......i may yet go back to repairing amps.....pays good pala.....;D
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The other amp is a NAD. Nice one, but last night it failed to power up. :'(
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Can you share who the seller is or kahit PM na lang, also can you take a pic of the capacitors na nasira in case it was returned to you?
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Wag na natin idamay yung seller, vintage / second hand gears is a gamble it can happen to anyone. Besides di natin alam yung condition of how the amp was used.
Can you share who the seller is or kahit PM na lang, also can you take a pic of the capacitors na nasira in case it was returned to you?
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This all depends on a lot of things. What kind of answers do you want to hear from the seller? I'm sure you knew the risks before you embarked on buying it right?
Are you after a solution? Because this just invites guesses from other members and a chance for those to make profound statements and yet still offer you no solution.
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Wag na natin idamay yung seller, vintage / second hand gears is a gamble it can happen to anyone. Besides di natin alam yung condition of how the amp was used.
Masama ba malaman kung sino lalo na pangalawang amp na nya ito sa same seller? I am requesting for myself...besides alam ko yang sinasabi mong gamble basta used item wether vintage or not. I just would like to know and i am not "accusing".
Oh well....moving on.
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actually you can just use the search on last post ;D
Masama ba malaman kung sino lalo na pangalawang amp na nya ito sa same seller? I am requesting for myself...besides alam ko yang sinasabi mong gamble basta used item wether vintage or not. I just would like to know and i am not "accusing".
Oh well....moving on.
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actually you can just use the search on last post ;D
Parang wala eh.... ;D
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baka di tiga pinoydvd.. in that case post mo na yung seller ;D
Parang wala eh.... ;D
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baka di tiga pinoydvd.. in that case post mo na yung seller ;D
Baka nga.... ;D. Oh sige yung parts na lang na pinalitan. :D
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how bad....1 is enough 2 is to much....
ang mahal nga naman ng labor mo sa busted capacitor...
are those units 100v? or 110v?
wala bang nagshoshort or something? tapos ung isa ayaw pa magon...i felt bad...
i purchase vintage amp as well....suerte lang siguro ako..kahit 8-10hr bukas e tumtumunog pa din ng maganda...
if i were you..i will talk to the seller directly and makiusap ka...mahirap kasi mabasa pa ng seller to dito..
mas maganda na kausapin mo sya...... parang magGF lang at magasawa yan...
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taga pala maningil ang "love" at ang matindi nyan after mong magpaayos "hate" mo na sila... tsk tsk tsk...
lakasan lang ng loob talaga ang pagbili ng used gears esp vintage. kahit nga ako pagnagbenta todo dasal na sana mapapakinabangan pa ng next owner ang gamit ko. nakakakonsyensya kasi.
anyways, for sure may warranty naman ang Hate Electronics.
the best siguro sa pagbili ng vintage gears kung may tropa kang kagaya ni jojoD and alike. :)
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taga pala maningil ang "love" at ang matindi nyan after mong magpaayos "hate" mo na sila... tsk tsk tsk...
lakasan lang ng loob talaga ang pagbili ng used gears esp vintage. kahit nga ako pagnagbenta todo dasal na sana mapapakinabangan pa ng next owner ang gamit ko. nakakakonsyensya kasi.
anyways, for sure may warranty naman ang Hate Electronics.
the best siguro sa pagbili ng vintage gears kung may tropa kang kagaya ni jojoD and alike. :)
dapat maging best freind muna natin si JOJOD taposa saka tayo bumili ng vintage amp ulit hehe...
just kidding..... ts talk to the seller ..and check kung meron syang pwedeng magawa para tulungan ka...
malay mo may kakilala pala syang tech na mura lang sumingil
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taga pala maningil ang "love" at ang matindi nyan after mong magpaayos "hate" mo na sila... tsk tsk tsk...
Medyo mataas na nga charge nila lalo na pag in-home service. Pero parang prompt sila dumating at nagfafollowup din, kaya din siguro ASC sila ng ibang known brands. Besides, I'm sure mas mababa ang charge nila sa manufacturer pag mga warranty repairs.
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how much ba magpaclean ng mga vintage amp ngayon?
how much din magpapalit ng mga electro something capacitor hehehe - newbie
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tama ang sabi nila, kausapin ang seller tutal 2x na pala kayo nag deal. for a vintage seller sa malamang may kontak na taga ayos o sya mismo.
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lahat naman kayo tropa at best friend ko eh ;D
jerix has a valid problem, and like everybody else here we all want to taste the fruits of our labor and extend the power of our Pesos diba?
maraming beses ko na kasi ito nakita at na-experience. minsan may nagdala dito ng tube preamp na di ko naman gawa at nakikiusap na i-repair daw dahil garalgal ang isang channel. nagbubusa at kung ano sinasabi nun owner dahil sa inis niya, ang sabi ko isauli mo dun sa gumawa para siya ang mag repair at mabigyan din ng chance to clear his name. kaso bad experience na daw siya kaya para matapos na lang ako na din ang nag repair.
what I'm trying to say here is let's work the problem, pag naayos yun amp sigurado tapos ang usapan. :D
on another note...
nun ipinanganak yun bunso ko nagbayad ako 100K+ para sa ospital, doktor, etc. mahal kasi Caesarian section daw etc etc, di ako makareklamo kasi di naman ako ob-gyne eh... :P ;D kung marunong lang ako magpaanak ako na lang sana gumawa... ;D ;D ;D
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diy delivery ba brader jojo :D
sana humingi si ts ng warranty kasi ung 1st deal nila nagkaron na ng problema kahit 1 month lang and dapat inidicate din nung seller kung may issue ung amp for transparency
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lahat naman kayo tropa at best friend ko eh ;D
jerix has a valid problem, and like everybody else here we all want to taste the fruits of our labor and extend the power of our Pesos diba?
maraming beses ko na kasi ito nakita at na-experience. minsan may nagdala dito ng tube preamp na di ko naman gawa at nakikiusap na i-repair daw dahil garalgal ang isang channel. nagbubusa at kung ano sinasabi nun owner dahil sa inis niya, ang sabi ko isauli mo dun sa gumawa para siya ang mag repair at mabigyan din ng chance to clear his name. kaso bad experience na daw siya kaya para matapos na lang ako na din ang nag repair.
what I'm trying to say here is let's work the problem, pag naayos yun amp sigurado tapos ang usapan. :D
on another note...
nun ipinanganak yun bunso ko nagbayad ako 100K+ para sa ospital, doktor, etc. mahal kasi Caesarian section daw etc etc, di ako makareklamo kasi di naman ako ob-gyne eh... :P ;D kung marunong lang ako magpaanak ako na lang sana gumawa... ;D ;D ;D
parehas pala tayo ako first day nagulat ako 72k hahaha...nabenta ko tuloy mga gamit ko kulang pa..buti nalang butuhin ang akeng lola..gang ngayon hindi na ako sinisingil haha....
kapag bumili ng vintage...patugtogin ng mga 4hours na tuloy tuloy ...audition naman e...dyan palang for sure makikita na kung may issue..unless after a week pa lumabas
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diy delivery ba brader jojo :D
sana humingi si ts ng warranty kasi ung 1st deal nila nagkaron na ng problema kahit 1 month lang and dapat inidicate din nung seller kung may issue ung amp for transparency
kung alam ko lang sir ako na lang sana, kaso ang alam ko lang yun paggawa ng baby, yun delivery aminado ako wala alam... ;D
parang inabot nga ng malas si brader jerix, tiyempo dalawang amp sa kanya lumabas ang diperensiya
parehas pala tayo ako first day nagulat ako 72k hahaha...nabenta ko tuloy mga gamit ko kulang pa..buti nalang butuhin ang akeng lola..gang ngayon hindi na ako sinisingil haha....
kapag bumili ng vintage...patugtogin ng mga 4hours na tuloy tuloy ...audition naman e...dyan palang for sure makikita na kung may issue..unless after a week pa lumabas
wala naman tayo magawa sir diba? yun kumpare ko kahapon nagrereklamo nag overheat daw kotse niya 10K gastos sa cylinder head, ang sabi ko na lang di naman tayo marunong magpalit ng gasket at baka lumaki pa sira pag diy tapos di naman marunong. ;D
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The other amp is a NAD. Nice one, but last night it failed to power up. :'(
have your outlets checked, you could be having 240volts on your sockets.....anything else busted like lamps maybe?
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brader jerix, sorry sa ot.
ito pa Jo, kagabi nagpahatid kami sa terminal dahil lakas ulan, biglang nawalan ng ilaw sa loob pati power window etc. hazard at headlight lang ang meron. buti sa evangelista kami inabot at swerte may bukas pang shop. in short, 850 singil sa amin sa isang 100A fuse at labor. sabi ng kasama ko, ang mahal naman! sabi ko sa ganung sitwasyon lalo pang umuulan, di mo na iindahin ang singil tutal kumpanya naman ang magbabayad.
anyways, good luck jerix. ;)
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brader jerix, sorry sa ot.
ito pa Jo, kagabi nagpahatid kami sa terminal dahil lakas ulan, biglang nawalan ng ilaw sa loob pati power window etc. hazard at headlight lang ang meron. buti sa evangelista kami inabot at swerte may bukas pang shop. in short, 850 singil sa amin sa isang 100A fuse at labor. sabi ng kasama ko, ang mahal naman! sabi ko sa ganung sitwasyon lalo pang umuulan, di mo na iindahin ang singil tutal kumpanya naman ang magbabayad.
anyways, good luck jerix. ;)
OT: isipin niyo na lang yun skills nun tao ang binayaran niyo... and nakauwi ng tuyo ang damit. ;D
BTT: baka naman fuse din ang problema ng amp ni Jerix? or ito from experience, yun power cord check din.
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on another note...
nun ipinanganak yun bunso ko nagbayad ako 100K+ para sa ospital, doktor, etc. mahal kasi Caesarian section daw etc etc, di ako makareklamo kasi di naman ako ob-gyne eh... :P ;D kung marunong lang ako magpaanak ako na lang sana gumawa... ;D ;D ;D
ayosssssssss ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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have your outlets checked, you could be having 240volts on your sockets.....anything else busted like lamps maybe?
I agree with you. Sometimes kasi, it's also a possibility na sa buyer din ang problem. This happened to my CDP and amp nun lumipat ako ng house. nag-248v ang power. After masira, wala akong choice but to use voltage regulator.
Or it is also possible na the seller, in good faith, does not know na may problem yun gear because it was tested before it was purchased. I don't think ganun kadali ma-predict or malalaman ng isang tao na pasira na yun gamit niya na ibebenta...? Baka by chance na lang talaga ang nangyari.
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Hey guys thanks for your thoughts regarding the issue.
Gamit ko sa office yung first amp. Ganda ng tunog I thought that time panalo ako dito. but one time bigla na lang gumaralgal yung left channel. I turned it off, turned it on again, ganun pa rin. I had it brought to Love electronics 2.5k daw. Ganun daw ang singil nila sa mga OLD items, like that AKAI.Nagawa naman but when our in-house technician checked it out- mga capacitors lang daw naman ang pinalitan. Anyway gumana naman na but i now brought it home. The good thng, however nawawala ang feeling "LUGI" ko when i am using it kasi even my wife is liking the sound. Hindi nga nagalit kasi sabi ko pinahiram lang ng officemate ko hehehe.
I am still thinking where to bring the NAD. baka ganun ulit ang singil or mas mahal pa.
The seller is nice but the problem is i am not so comfortable in bringing and pushing the issue to him considering the fact that i know that the amp is old and the problem happened several weeks after my purchase. I have the feeling that in this case i cannot claim full item return right because it was not a condition and we did not talk about that. It seems that the whole thing now boils down to the term called "caveat emptor." :'(
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Mahirap talaga bumili ng "USED" at "ABUSED" amp dyan sa atin....
Sa Totoo lang tamaan na ang mabukulan hehehe,ang iba sa atin hilig kalikutin ang loob! Kaya ako kapag bumibili unang tinitignan ko yung mga turnilyong puro gasgas hehehe,meaning 1000 beses ng kinalikot yun
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Hey guys thanks for your thoughts regarding the issue.
Gamit ko sa office yung first amp. Ganda ng tunog I thought that time panalo ako dito. but one time bigla na lang gumaralgal yung left channel. I turned it off, turned it on again, ganun pa rin. I had it brought to Love electronics 2.5k daw. Ganun daw ang singil nila sa mga OLD items, like that AKAI.Nagawa naman but when our in-house technician checked it out- mga capacitors lang daw naman ang pinalitan. Anyway gumana naman na but i now brought it home. The good thng, however nawawala ang feeling "LUGI" ko when i am using it kasi even my wife is liking the sound. Hindi nga nagalit kasi sabi ko pinahiram lang ng officemate ko hehehe.
I am still thinking where to bring the NAD. baka ganun ulit ang singil or mas mahal pa.
The seller is nice but the problem is i am not so comfortable in bringing and pushing the issue to him considering the fact that i know that the amp is old and the problem happened several weeks after my purchase. I have the feeling that in this case i cannot claim full item return right because it was not a condition and we did not talk about that. It seems that the whole thing now boils down to the term called "caveat emptor." :'(
For the first amp, yung caps normal na nasisira (maski pag di ginagamit madalas nasisira yan with age). Hindi naman siguro alam ng seller na bibigay yun right after you bought the unit. Mahirap talaga malaman kasi there are many cases na tumatakbo pa ang unit pero off-spec or sira na some parts inside (on its last strings of life na kumbaga).
As for the NAD, contact the seller and ask if he offers any warranty sa mga benta nya or if he can share part of the repair cost. Otherwise, ganun talaga kasi most used items are sold as-is. Kung ikaw ang sasagot, tanong mo muna ang inspection cost sa service center bago mo pa-repair. Baka mataas yung inspection fee (tapos repair at parts cost pa), at lalong sumama ang kalagayan mo.
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BTT: baka naman fuse din ang problema ng amp ni Jerix? or ito from experience, yun power cord check din.
Sana fuse lang ang damage ng NAD amp. Pero medyo takot ako magpunta sa Love electronics kasi baka mas grabe ang assessment nya. Actually basta the other night ayaw na lag mag -ON ito wala namang gumalaw after using it the night before. any thoughts master?
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Sana fuse lang ang damage ng NAD amp. Pero medyo takot ako magpunta sa Love electronics kasi baka mas grabe ang assessment nya. Actually basta the other night ayaw na lag mag -ON ito wala namang gumalaw after using it the night before. any thoughts master?
palitan mo muna ung fuse...
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Ganyan talaga pag used item.
Ako, set na yung mind ko na pag bumili ako ng old item basta from PDVD ayus yan. Pag nasira, sarili ko lang sinisisi ko. Kung gusto ko ng matagal masira sana bago na lang binili ko.
So many factors to consider, pero my take on it, the seller sold you the item in good faith. Otherwise, he would not dare meet and sell you another item. Moreso, look directly into your eyes. Try mo sabihin prob mo, you will be surprised how nice and accomodating mga kabaro natin dito sa PDVD (in case taga dito yung seller). Ako kasi ganun ako pag nagbebenta ng item, prang unspoken gentlemen's agreement.
;)
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Ganyan talaga pag used item.
Ako, set na yung mind ko na pag bumili ako ng old item basta from PDVD ayus yan. Pag nasira, sarili ko lang sinisisi ko. Kung gusto ko ng matagal masira sana bago na lang binili ko.
So many factors to consider, pero my take on it, the seller sold you the item in good faith. Otherwise, he would not dare meet and sell you another item. Moreso, look directly into your eyes. Try mo sabihin prob mo, you will be surprised how nice and accomodating mga kabaro natin dito sa PDVD (in case taga dito yung seller). Ako kasi ganun ako pag nagbebenta ng item, prang unspoken gentlemen's agreement.
;)
'musta tulayo? may tama ka! ;)
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Mga brader's in arms, Let's we consider na kahit vintage gear ay matitibay mga yan pero depende din sa mga gumagamit at ginagamitan, Sa akin nga pag merun mga nag audition at bumibili ng mga gear ko ay marami din ako tanung sa mga buyer kung saan nila gagamitin yun amps (Videoke, outdoor, etc.) or receiver at ok ba o stable ba supply voltage sa place nila.
Buyer-Need to do if gear & In house audition:
1). Check/adjust all knobs and/or buttons if operational.
2). Test all you want from low to loud volume
3). If CD player, bring your own cd
4). Ask the history of audition gear (for buyer reference).
5). Very Important: DISCOUNT... :D :D ;D
In my side, I recommend some procedure on how to proper carry the unit if they do commute. I do not also recommend to put the CD Player on the trunk or flooring (need a baby sit) if they have car or any because it is possible to mis-align the mechanical gear even failure of lens.
Be advise that all vintage gear need a proper attention like's:
1). select to 240vac if gear has voltage selector (for voltage buffer).
2). need to put extra exhaust fan to release excessive heat if use it for long time (for safe/extra care).
- Yun mga amps and vintage gear ko sa bahay naka power on na lahat ng Fan pag ON ng gear para mas safe...
3). Use good AVR for any power fluctuation.
4). Use speaker with right impedance base of the gear requirements.
PS-It's very hard to seller/Buyer during meet up and lalo na't shipping pa... alam na natin yan! ;) :o
The buyer have the right to get his/her personal warranty kahit 1-week or 3-days lang (Depende sa pag uusap), then dapat pag nagka problema yun unit after warranty period inform mo din agad yun seller para mapag usapan niyo kung ano dapat gawin.
That's my opinion only... ;) :)
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Agree 100%. Yan si brader Vhinx, lives by his words. :)
Salamat nga pala sa banana plugs bro kahit medyo nagkaprob tayo ng konti sa unit on our negotiation. ;) pero i'm still interested on that F*%$&n marantz ;D sori OT na hehe!
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When buying seconds hand amps it's really best to test it and check for abnormalities like excessive heating, shut off, imbalance in output of left and right channel, power on/off thump, distortion etc. if you buy an amp that you can't test due possibly to meet ups, no associated gear and venue to test then ask for at least a three day window to return the product if there is a defect.
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Because of some good readings here on the audio performance of old or maybe vintage amps, I recently got myself an old amp. after about 2 weeks of enjoyment the amp conked. Its left channel got that loud static noise. I had it repaired and that busted capacitors, etc. made me shell out 2.5k in Love electronics. I know its an old unit and did not ask for a warranty from the seller here. So wala akong nagawa. :'(
I bought another one and more expensive unit and after about several weeks of use that amp for no reason just dont want to turn on. Feeling ko lugi ako dito because i cannot use the amp. Again we did not talk about warranty with the same seller. I dont know if I will PM the seller for this kasi he might not give me the answer i want. Ano sa tingin nyo? Sino ba ang me ganitong problema? Thanks
Had the same problem with a vintage amp i bought here in PDVD similar to the first issue after 2 months of purchase. The seller offered to have it cheked with a tech he knows but I couldn't schedule the time to go back because of work. I paid 700 pesos for the repair, 400 pesos for labor and 300 for parts dun sa tech na malapit sa akin. Sama na lahat dun pati cleaning and check-up for other parts. Binalik pa sa akin yug parts na pinalitan para pwede ko daw incanvass kung gusto ko. He only included his fare going to Raon to buy the parts on his cost.
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Had the same problem with a vintage amp i bought here in PDVD similar to the first issue after 2 months of purchase. The seller offered to have it cheked with a tech he knows but I couldn't schedule the time to go back because of work. I paid 700 pesos for the repair, 400 pesos for labor and 300 for parts dun sa tech na malapit sa akin. Sama na lahat dun pati cleaning and check-up for other parts. Binalik pa sa akin yug parts na pinalitan para pwede ko daw incanvass kung gusto ko. He only included his fare going to Raon to buy the parts on his cost.
taga saan yan brader...baka in thr future e kelangan ng mga pdvd peeps near his or your area
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palitan mo muna ung fuse...
Ok thanks bro try ko butingtingin to bukas baka makita ko kung saan yung fuse. ;D
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Sana fuse lang ang damage ng NAD amp. Pero medyo takot ako magpunta sa Love electronics kasi baka mas grabe ang assessment nya. Actually basta the other night ayaw na lag mag -ON ito wala namang gumalaw after using it the night before. any thoughts master?
Ang dami brader eh, it can be the fuse, the power cord, or the entry point of the power cord, or a thermistor, or even the power switch itself or baka yun wall socket mo din. If it is logic controlled, it can be the logic board so madami talaga brad paggagalingan ang problema.
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Maganda gamitan mo ng tester brader. Mas madali mo madedetect kung san me problema. :)
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taga saan yan brader...baka in thr future e kelangan ng mga pdvd peeps near his or your area
Sa QC near SM north area. Dan Sansui yung name niya dito sa site. He started a thread here where his number is listed but he didn't become active. I think kasi home based lang siya and at times hindi siya makatanggap ng gawa because of work. Gusto kasi niya once na tumanggap siya, hindi magtatagal yung unit. I brought mine on a Sat afternoon and by Monday morning gawa na. ;D
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sana mali ako pero because of the clues parang nakabili na ko sa seller na binabanggit. :'(
me nabili ako sa seller na ito na vintage amp na may problem just after a few days use. i informed the seller and sought his help for the repair. he did mention a shop in libis near outback but the problem is di naman talaga repair shop ung place kundi tindahan ng speakers! wala ako magawa kundi dalhin yung unit sa filmor. the amp was repaired but the repair cost is just 600pesos shy of the amount i paid for the amp!
anyway, naikwento ko lang. back to jeric's problem. here's my two cents:
*dapat talaga ma-inform si buyer kay seller about the problem. this way, magiging maingat si seller next time na kukuha sya ng gears na pang-benta.
*dapat din siguro may gentleman's agreement na kahit di napag-usapan during the deal, ay may warranty period na few days.
i once bought a vintage receiver with a minor problem. ipinabalik ni seller at ni-repair nya sa harap ko habang umiinom kami ng icd cold beer. :)
thanks vhinx.
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sana mali ako pero because of the clues parang nakabili na ko sa seller na binabanggit. :'(
me nabili ako sa seller na ito na vintage amp na may problem just after a few days use. i informed the seller and sought his help for the repair. he did mention a shop in libis near outback but the problem is di naman talaga repair shop ung place kundi tindahan ng speakers! wala ako magawa kundi dalhin yung unit sa filmor. the amp was repaired but the repair cost is just 600pesos shy of the amount i paid for the amp!
maybe we shouldn't make assumptions at this point kung sino nga yung seller. optimistic pa rin ako na the item was sold in good faith and mahirap lang talaga ma gauge yung longevity of amps that have been used for decades (we are talking about vintage gear anyway). just get in touch with the seller as he may know a repairman to check/repair the unit and possibly split the costs of repair
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Ito talaga problem sa aming mga "uninitiated" sa electronics. Fuse lang sinasabi noong una ni bro Jojo, pero nang banggitin nya yung other possibilities, mukhang kelangan ma-check ito ng technician na talaga. Binuksan ko nga kagabi pero di ko naman makita yung FUSE, hehehe. At katulad ko, di rin marunong gumamit ng tester.
Actually braders i dont wanna point an accusing finger to the seller. both amps were operational for a time. At di naman nya siguro nilagyan ng device na after 2 or 3 weeks ay dead na yung amps. I am just expressing my own fate. Tapos na kasi ang deal and i dont feel comfortable asking for something from him at this point that i can not fight for it when he responds for his defense negatively.
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Ganyan talaga pag used item.
Ako, set na yung mind ko na pag bumili ako ng old item basta from PDVD ayus yan. Pag nasira, sarili ko lang sinisisi ko. Kung gusto ko ng matagal masira sana bago na lang binili ko.
So many factors to consider, pero my take on it, the seller sold you the item in good faith. Otherwise, he would not dare meet and sell you another item. Moreso, look directly into your eyes. Try mo sabihin prob mo, you will be surprised how nice and accomodating mga kabaro natin dito sa PDVD (in case taga dito yung seller). Ako kasi ganun ako pag nagbebenta ng item, prang unspoken gentlemen's agreement.
;)
The guy is nice and as i have said di lang ako comfortable mag-demand at this point in time kasi done deal na to. I have informed him na about the problem. I just hope he will comment a little. :)
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what can he possibly say? the least he can do now is to point you to some trustworhty tech who can look at your amps.....imho he ows you that much.....i am sure sellers keep a tech or two whom they really trust....
hazards of the trade yan.....buying and selling second hand items are a big gamble...even brand new ones can get busted how much more a used one....
i am sure this does not happen all the time, malas mo lang sa yo natapat.....
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what can he possibly say? the least he can do now is to point you to some trustworhty tech who can look at your amps.....imho he ows you that much.....i am sure sellers keep a tech or two whom they really trust....
hazards of the trade yan.....buying and selling second hand items are a big gamble...even brand new ones can get busted how much more a used one....
i am sure this does not happen all the time, malas mo lang sa yo natapat.....
Agree to this bro Tony. "Caveat emptor" 'ika nga. :)
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in good faith naman pala, in good working condition din, so malamang natiyempo lang ito sa iyo. you may or may not disturb the seller if that is the case. but imho, I think it's not his responsibility anymore, more like out of his good graces na lang being a suki and all.
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dati after kong magkaroon ng digital avr ibebenta ko na sana ang prologic amp ko kaso nung gamitin ko for a couple of days may napansin akong distortion samantalang wala naman ito before I got my new (preowned) avr. kumbaga, nagkataon. mabuti na lang sa akin inabot otherwise dyahe talaga na kung tutuusin in good faith naman ang pagbenta sana.
it happens talaga as others pointed out. ang hirap lang sa kagaya namin ni sir jerix na iba ang linya. ako nga may tester pero di ko naman alam alin ang itetest... ??? :( :D
OT; sa babae nga di mo din agad malalaman kung V pa o hindi na pero kahit malaman mo later na di na V, usable pa din naman... ;D ;)
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dati after kong magkaroon ng digital avr ibebenta ko na sana ang prologic amp ko kaso nung gamitin ko for a couple of days may napansin akong distortion samantalang wala naman ito before I got my new (preowned) avr. kumbaga, nagkataon. mabuti na lang sa akin inabot otherwise dyahe talaga na kung tutuusin in good faith naman ang pagbenta sana.
it happens talaga as others pointed out. ang hirap lang sa kagaya namin ni sir jerix na iba ang linya. ako nga may tester pero di ko naman alam alin ang itetest... ??? :( :D
OT; sa babae nga di mo din agad malalaman kung V pa o hindi na pero kahit malaman mo later na di na V, usable pa din naman... ;D ;)
i love the last quote hahaha....
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na break-in na......;D
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na break-in na......;D
in good condition pa naman...natyempo lang na used hahaha...
USED but no ABUSED...
kaya na ng Maskels Control yang ganyan problem....
tinetester mo ba papa o tinetestin bro TONY kung sakali pwede pa? hahaha
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in good condition pa naman...natyempo lang na used hahaha...
USED but no ABUSED...
kaya na ng Maskels Control yang ganyan problem....
tinetester mo ba papa o tinetestin bro TONY kung sakali pwede pa? hahaha
anong testester gamit mo? :D
sorry po sa OT, can't help it. ;)
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anong testester gamit mo? :D
sorry po sa OT, can't help it. ;)
hahaha...
hintayin natin ang mga mgaling gumamit ng tester....
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so lumalabas na parang may risk talaga kapag used ang gears at gearls no? at sa paghahanap dapat matindi ang L mo... ::) :D
I mean, L as in Lakas ng Loob. ;)
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so lumalabas na parang may risk talaga kapag used ang gears at gearls no? at sa paghahanap dapat matindi ang L mo... ::) :D
I mean, L as in Lakas ng Loob. ;)
pagamit mo na kasi malalaman ang depekto...
pero mas maganda na alam mo na na used ung gamit hahahaha....
dapat lang talaga may matinong tech kapag bibili ng vintage amp para kung may problema less2k gastos will be enough
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full disclosure or used but not abused.
ok pa yan basta huwag lang galing Japan...
kasi 100V eh... ;D ;D ;D
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full disclosure or used but not abused.
ok pa yan basta huwag lang galing Japan...
kasi 100V eh... ;D ;D ;D
ang lalim ng pinaghugutan nito oh... ;D :D
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ang lalim ng pinaghugutan nito oh... ;D :D
yun isang tech na kakilala ko panay ang higpit ng mga turnilyo ng mga amp na repair niya lalu na pag galing ng Japan.... may nagsabi daw kasi sa kanya na maluwag na yan pag galing Japan... kaya nga nauso yun conversion eh... ;D ;D ;D
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ang lalim ng pinaghugutan nito oh... ;D :D
ako peborit ko mga galing ng JAPAN....
e e e e e e ..... e e e e .... e e ee e e e e
sarap nga mga anu ng japan e...haven't tried though....lol
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yun isang tech na kakilala ko panay ang higpit ng mga turnilyo ng mga amp na repair niya lalu na pag galing ng Japan.... may nagsabi daw kasi sa kanya na maluwag na yan pag galing Japan... kaya nga nauso yun conversion eh... ;D ;D ;D
ingat lang sa mga galing Japan baka dumaan ng Bangkok yan yari!!! ;D
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ingat lang sa mga galing Japan baka dumaan ng Bangkok yan yari!!! ;D
nakupo ingat ng husto!!! ;D
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(http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq285/samvoy/htpic/DSCF4120.jpg?t=1343031533)
Where ba dito ang fuse braders?
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im not really sure ah....ung fuse na nakikita ko sa pic e ung asa right side katabi ng dalawang caps
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Bro that is also my impression because me naka indicate doon 250v. Pero buo naman siya, malinis and no sign of busted condition.
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Bro that is also my impression because me naka indicate doon 250v. Pero buo naman siya, malinis and no sign of busted condition.
anung model ng nad mo try mo downloadan ng service manual ....
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yung transformer mismo kadalasan me built-in na thermal fuse.....or naroon sa board kung saan nakainstall yung power switch....
(http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq285/samvoy/htpic/DSCF4120.jpg?t=1343031533)
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ano yun natatakpan sa lower left corner? yun nasa baba ng power transformer...
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im not really sure ah....ung fuse na nakikita ko sa pic e ung asa right side katabi ng dalawang caps
secondary fuse lang yun sir...
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anung model ng nad mo try mo downloadan ng service manual ....
NAD 304 bro... sige ill try to look for some manual . Thanks
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try mo sa hifi engine....http://www.hifiengine.com/library/nad/304.shtml
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Sir Jerix, saan location mo? You can pm markcrenz, taga Proj. 8 QC siya. If he has time, he may be able to help. One thing for sure, hindi ka niya sisingilin ng mataas tulad ng Love E. I can relate with you, am really not comfortable tinkering, so next best thing would be a trustworthy and reasonably-priced repair guy.
Hehehe sir Tony may be correct, don't believe all the posts and praises you read here. Ang daming magaling chuwariwap ekek dyan, praising their friends' gears blindly.
Btw, I also think your seller may have acted in good faith. Baka medyo minamalas ka lang, and bottom line talaga, caveat emptor. Good luck bro!
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Sir Jerix, saan location mo? You can pm markcrenz, taga Proj. 8 QC siya. If he has time, he may be able to help. One thing for sure, hindi ka niya sisingilin ng mataas tulad ng Love E. I can relate with you, am really not comfortable tinkering, so next best thing would be a trustworthy and reasonably-priced repair guy.
Hehehe sir Tony may be correct, don't believe all the posts and praises you read here. Ang daming magaling chuwariwap ekek dyan, praising their friends' gears blindly.
Btw, I also think your seller may have acted in good faith. Baka medyo minamalas ka lang, and bottom line talaga, caveat emptor. Good luck bro!
pagkatapos purihin....hintay ka lang at sa for sale section din ang bagsak ng mga yan....;D
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Sir Jerix, saan location mo? You can pm markcrenz, taga Proj. 8 QC siya. If he has time, he may be able to help. One thing for sure, hindi ka niya sisingilin ng mataas tulad ng Love E. I can relate with you, am really not comfortable tinkering, so next best thing would be a trustworthy and reasonably-priced repair guy.
Hehehe sir Tony may be correct, don't believe all the posts and praises you read here. Ang daming magaling chuwariwap ekek dyan, praising their friends' gears blindly.
Btw, I also think your seller may have acted in good faith. Baka medyo minamalas ka lang, and bottom line talaga, caveat emptor. Good luck bro!
Bro i work within Batasan .. sige ill try to PM markcrenz. ;)
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Guys -- if you are interested Benta ko na lang to. you can visit the marketplace. ;)