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Title: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 18, 2003 at 11:57 PM
Anyone tried the wiredstate DIY? I bought the preamp and I am very happy with it. Good build quality and clean sounding. It has premium parts and warranty but the price is very affordable. It needs 100hrs of break-in  but Im already enjoying it, what more after break-in.If you are looking for a preamp check this out.

Here are some pics.

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Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Nov 19, 2003 at 12:01 AM
di makita ang pics levi? o ako lang di nakakakita.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 19, 2003 at 02:05 AM
di talaga makita ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Nov 19, 2003 at 04:40 AM
Bought one too and paired it with my SS Musical Fidelity power amps. So far my impression is that  more detailed ito compared with my MF preamp. Very sweet yung effect on say saxophone and you have to exerience the improvement on a guitar solo. Ang galeng :D

So now i have a hybrid pure audio and enjoying it. For the price, very highly recommended ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: audi on Nov 19, 2003 at 05:52 AM

  Sir Levi,

  Sent you pm.

  Audi
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 19, 2003 at 06:40 PM
hi levi!

bro, because of your recommendation(s), i'm auditioning a friend's WS tube preamp this weekend...and guess what, i'm seriously planning to get one (patay na naman ako sa girlfriend ko, hehehe!)...

guys, wiredstate projects are HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!...thanks!

btw, here's a sneak preview of the tube preamp...thanks again!

(http://wap.misnet.com.ph/arnoldc/pre-front.jpg)

(http://wap.misnet.com.ph/arnoldc/pre-back.jpg)

(http://wap.misnet.com.ph/arnoldc/pre-inside.jpg)

(http://wap.misnet.com.ph/arnoldc/pre-auricap.jpg)

pictures c/o www.pinoydiophiles.com  8)

 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 19, 2003 at 09:43 PM
Anyone tried the wiredstate DIY? I bought the preamp and I am very happy with it. Good build quality and clean sounding. It has premium parts and warranty but the price is very affordable. It needs 100hrs of break-in  but Im already enjoying it, what more after break-in.If you are looking for a preamp check this out.

Here are some pics.


Sir Levi,

How much did you buy wiredstate pream? Pa pm n lng if possible...Thanks.... :D :D :D
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Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 19, 2003 at 10:01 PM
P 8,250 for the first batch. If you are interested I suggest you order now before they increase their price.
Contact Arnoldc or vintage dog.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Philander on Nov 19, 2003 at 10:09 PM
Post technical specs please.

Thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 19, 2003 at 10:13 PM
Features:

1. ASSEMBLED! point-to-point wiring
2. 100k ALPS blue volume control
3. 47uf 16V Black Gate bypass caps
4. 1uf 200V AURICAPS coupling caps
5. Fast recovery soft start diodes for the power supply
6. Bulgin IEC with fuse
7. Gold plated and teflon insulated gold RCA jacks
8. Gold plated 9 pin ceramic sockets
9. heavy-guage steel chassis
10. NOS 12au7 tubes (2)
11. 2 inputs with selector
12. 1 year parts replacement guarantee (30 days on tubes)
13. LIFETIME free repairs on stock circuit and parts
14. super-quiet/low-noise design
15. compatible with SETs, push-pull and solid state amps and receivers
16. EXCLUSIVE WIREDSTATE PURIST DESIGN

MONEY BACK GUARANTEE IN CASE YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 19, 2003 at 10:16 PM
Thanks....I'll contact them one of this day.... :) :) :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 19, 2003 at 10:18 PM
Bought one too and paired it with my SS Musical Fidelity power amps. So far my impression is that  more detailed ito compared with my MF preamp. Very sweet yung effect on say saxophone and you have to exerience the improvement on a guitar solo. Ang galeng :D

So now i have a hybrid pure audio and enjoying it. For the price, very highly recommended ;D

Lets have a listening session. Curious ako with SS amps with our preamp. I can bring mine also.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 19, 2003 at 11:32 PM
hi!

seems like a good number of our co-members here are interested and excited about the WS Preamp.. 8).we might use it during our listening session paired with a 2A3 SET, an SS amp and a receiver...thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Archangel on Nov 20, 2003 at 07:19 AM
That is one handsome looking preamp.  
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Nov 20, 2003 at 08:13 AM
good looking preamp indeed ;). ganda na ng sound...murang mura pa.  ;D

the WS people behind this project really deserve commendation for giving us the chance to own great gear at a very affordable price. Galing talaga ng pinoy!

I too is a beneficiary of one of their projects......Tubong Bastos 2A3 SET. another great gear from the great men of WS.  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 20, 2003 at 08:42 AM
Ganda!!! is it possible to connect it to a AVr??? para hybrid hehehehe
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:11 AM
Ganda!!! is it possible to connect it to a AVr??? para hybrid hehehehe

hans,

pwede...you just need to bypass the pre-amp section of the receiver...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:14 AM
P 8,250 for the first batch. If you are interested I suggest you order now before they increase their price.
Contact Arnoldc or vintage dog.

guys,

you'll never get a very "affordable" tube preamp than this...considering that it uses premium components, auricaps, etc.) and NOS tubes...it's a STEAL!!!  

...most of all, LIFETIME free service/repairs, money back guanrantee and proudly FILIPINO made pa! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:15 AM
Ganda!!! is it possible to connect it to a AVr??? para hybrid hehehehe

hans,

check if your receiver has connectors for "amp in".  most receivers would have that.   that bypasses the receiver's controls and you can use the preamp.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:20 AM
we really have to CONGRATULATE the people behind the Wiredstate Projects...sir Vintage Dog, sir ArnoldC and everyone else (dami nila kasi)...THANKS TO ALL OF YOU for making these projects very affordable for all of us...

log-in now to www.pinoydiophiles.com for more details...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:40 AM
guys!

here's the link to the Wiredstate Projects:

http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1126 (http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1126)

...plus here's the picture of the 2A3 10K SET (Tubong Bastos) Amplifier...

(http://wap.misnet.com.ph/arnoldc/tb3.jpg)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:42 AM
more info on the preamp...

don't let the price deceive you...this is a high-end device that will compete with preamps over $1000.  parts are premium and this is point-to-point wiring as you can see in the pics.  parts are all premium:  NOS (vintage, new old stock) tubes, ALPS blue potentiometer, highly-regarded AURICAPS capacitors, BLACK GATE premium caps, gold-plated connectors, plus more...

compatible with:

1. Single-ended tube amps like Wiredstate's TB2A3, AMX 300b, 2A3 tube amps, Antique Sound Labs, JE Labs amps, all Rene Rivo amps, etc.

2. Push-pull tube amps:  Dynaco ST70, AMX, ASL, EICO, MARANTZ, McINTOSH, etc.

3. Solid State amps:  Musical Fidelity, Pioneer, NAD, Krell, etc...

4. All AV Receivers/Integrated amps with "power in":  Pioneer, Denon, Harman Kardon, Sony, etc.

this amp is a "gift" from the crazy pinoydiophiles at wiredstate.com to all audiophiles who want to experience tube sound without spending much.

20 units are sold out this week and we can only offer the units at same price until the end of this year..

for more info, go to wiredstate.com and go to wiredstate projects....

for those who are still undecided, bring home a unit with a p3,500 deposit and if you like it, pay for the balance december 15th!  LIFETIME guarantee...

if you dont like it at all, we will refund you full amount!




Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:52 AM
naku very affordable at mukhang maganda... dapat talaga meron tatak pilipino...

kaya dumadami ang mga na naka 5 channel na lumilipat sa 2 channel set-up...

galing talaga ng pinoy!!! ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:55 AM
Sir Francis,

I'll try to check out my Hk receiver muna and Wow ok yan offer!!!


James,

esep esep na nga ako pre!! hehehehe..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Philander on Nov 20, 2003 at 10:03 AM
 ??? Mukhang di yata pwede sa receeiver ko (Marantz 4300)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 20, 2003 at 10:09 AM
??? Mukhang di yata pwede sa receeiver ko (Marantz 4300)

don't despair, we'll check out how to hook-up using the tape-in/tape-out.  all receivers would have that...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 20, 2003 at 10:13 AM
don't despair, we'll check out how to hook-up using the tape-in/tape-out.  all receivers would have that...

pwede kaya Sir? wala rin amp in ang HK 2550 eh, pero may tape in.

sana umandar  :(
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 20, 2003 at 10:14 AM
don't despair, we'll check out how to hook-up using the tape-in/tape-out.  all receivers would have that...

that's great, sir V_D!...even the offer  :o, wala ka na mahahanap sa iba...will definintely get one this weekend... sana nga avaialble saturday afternoon para i can enjoy it kaagad (although no rush naman)...will just get in touch with you...thanks again, sir! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 20, 2003 at 10:22 AM
superman,

Pre order na hehehe para ma audition din namin hehehehe.. ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 20, 2003 at 10:40 AM
superman,

Pre order na hehehe para ma audition din namin hehehehe.. ;D

hopefully...i'm keeping my fingers crossed...pati mata ko crossed, hehehehe! pati bulsa ko crossed...nakow!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 20, 2003 at 10:51 AM
superman,

+++   +++  hehehehe
       +
       +
+           +
  +++++
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sebman on Nov 20, 2003 at 10:57 AM
congrats dyan sa pre-amp sir superman... tamang tama yan sa saturday listening session...  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 11:11 AM
that's great, sir V_D!...even the offer  :o, wala ka na mahahanap sa iba...will definintely get one this weekend... sana nga avaialble saturday afternoon para i can enjoy it kaagad (although no rush naman)...will just get in touch with you...thanks again, sir! 8)



congrats in advanced!!!!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 20, 2003 at 12:50 PM
congrats in advanced!!!!  ;D

wag muna, baka maunsiyami...sana umabot...thanks guys!...in the event na di umabot, i've asked a fellow member to bring his preamp...thanks again!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 20, 2003 at 01:17 PM
wag muna, baka maunsiyami...sana umabot...thanks guys!...in the event na di umabot, i've asked a fellow member to bring his preamp...thanks again!  ;D

if you are having a listening session, suggest you use a preamp that has had several hours of break-in...the preamp can be left on non-stop with a signal passing through it but with the amp off...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 20, 2003 at 01:57 PM
if you are having a listening session, suggest you use a preamp that has had several hours of break-in...the preamp can be left on non-stop with a signal passing through it but with the amp off...



ok sir V_D...noted your suggestion...i'll call you again tomorrow to finalize everything...thanks again!  8)

btw sir...since you're suggesting that the pre-amp can be turned on while the amp is off, how about the source??? does it have to be turned on also??? thanks!  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 02:15 PM
if you are having a listening session, suggest you use a preamp that has had several hours of break-in...the preamp can be left on non-stop with a signal passing through it but with the amp off...



sent you pm sir.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: edboy7 on Nov 20, 2003 at 02:27 PM
??? Mukhang di yata pwede sa receeiver ko (Marantz 4300)

 ako na marantz sr4300----pwede ka yan yung sa 6.1 in? ???.....pero sa left and right channels ko lang ipapasok ::).....sir vintage?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 20, 2003 at 02:42 PM
btw sir...since you're suggesting that the pre-amp can be turned on while the amp is off, how about the source??? does it have to be turned on also??? thanks!  :D

the source provides the signal, so if off, no signal will pass through to break-in the preamp...

best is to use rock or any dynamic cd running in repeat mode.  make sure that the system produces the music first, then turn off the amp (only)...idea is you can keep the system running without disturbing your household overnight  :)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 20, 2003 at 03:08 PM
Hhmmm..... ::) ::) ::)mukhang ok ito ah!!!ano vargas bili ka na!!! ;D ;D ;D





 ako na marantz sr4300----pwede ka yan yung sa 6.1 in? ???.....pero sa left and right channels ko lang ipapasok ::).....sir vintage?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Nov 20, 2003 at 03:15 PM
check you solid state amps for direct input (or power amp input) some receivers have these feature.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 20, 2003 at 04:03 PM
the source provides the signal, so if off, no signal will pass through to break-in the preamp...

best is to use rock or any dynamic cd running in repeat mode.  make sure that the system produces the music first, then turn off the amp (only)...idea is you can keep the system running without disturbing your household overnight  :)



ok...got it sir...thanks so much (again!)!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 20, 2003 at 04:51 PM
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::)I think i have to remove the jumper on my receiver (HK5500) frequently when i got it to feel the real score of this preamp....

Sir ArnoldC,

Can you give me some guidelines on how to build diy interconnect (yung mura lng :D :D :D)? Thanks.... 8) 8) 8)


check you solid state amps for direct input (or power amp input) some receivers have these feature.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 20, 2003 at 08:01 PM
to all those with receivers,

sorry, unless your receiver has the 'amp in' or 'power in' inputs, you can't use the preamp.  one easy way to find out is check at the back of your receiver if there is a pair of jumper wires that goes from one rca jack to another.

if yes, just remove the jumber wires and connect the preamp out into the rca jacks...


   
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 20, 2003 at 08:13 PM

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hi levi, what's that wooden vintage gear on top of your rack...looks real cool...where did you get it?

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 20, 2003 at 08:20 PM
From the province. My dad bought it for P400.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:31 PM
s2kov, check out wiredstate.com i have posted several already.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:41 PM
Sir V_D'

Hehehe.... ;D ;D ;DYou said it, we play it.... 8) 8) 8)

Sir ArnoldC,

Thanks, i'll just check it on WS.... :D :D :D



to all those with receivers,

sorry, unless your receiver has the 'amp in' or 'power in' inputs, you can't use the preamp.  one easy way to find out is check at the back of your receiver if there is a pair of jumper wires that goes from one rca jack to another.

if yes, just remove the jumber wires and connect the preamp out into the rca jacks...


   
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:47 PM
i'll be getting the ws preamp tom. i'll test it with a nad amp first while waiting for my tube amp  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 20, 2003 at 10:35 PM
i'll be getting the ws preamp tom. i'll test it with a nad amp first while waiting for my tube amp  ;D


Adriane,

Welcome to the WS Tube PreAmp Club! CONGRATULATIONS! ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Nov 20, 2003 at 11:21 PM
Lets have a listening session. Curious ako with SS amps with our preamp. I can bring mine also.

Levi, sent you a PM.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 21, 2003 at 12:27 AM
i'll be getting the ws preamp tom. i'll test it with a nad amp first while waiting for my tube amp  ;D

congrats!  i'm sure you will enjoy the tube sound using the preamp.  it mates well with solid state amps like the NAD!  enjoy!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 21, 2003 at 12:46 AM
if you guys are having a listening session using this preamp, please use the one which has been used or burned-in at least 20 hours...they get better in time and will sound best with at least 100 hours...

one other bonus using this preamp is that you can try out dozens of different tubes (of different makes/brands) and get a slightly different sonic character...that is what is meant by "tube rolling"...experimenting with different tubes and enjoying the sound...just like trying out different wines, each one giving a different flavor and experience!

enjoy!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 21, 2003 at 01:36 AM
if you guys are having a listening session using this preamp, please use the one which has been used or burned-in at least 20 hours...they get better in time and will sound best with at least 100 hours...

one other bonus using this preamp is that you can try out dozens of different tubes (of different makes/brands) and get a slightly different sonic character...that is what is meant by "tube rolling"...experimenting with different tubes and enjoying the sound...just like trying out different wines, each one giving a different flavor and experience!

enjoy!


noted, sir V_D!...if ever i get it tomorrow, i'll make sure to plug it in from morning til the following day (as per your instructions on turning on everything, then turning off the "amp" only)...i'm quite excited with this new "toy"...thanks to you and the other wiredstate gurus!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: M_Shoe_Maker on Nov 21, 2003 at 05:13 PM
Nice Turntable of you have there Levi. :)

Akin na lang. ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 21, 2003 at 05:17 PM
Sir Francis,

Will the WS preamp match with my HK receiver??
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 21, 2003 at 06:04 PM
Sir Francis,

Will the WS preamp match with my HK receiver??

yes it will so long as you can connect the preamp directly to the amp section of the receiver.  have you checked if your receiver has an "amp in" or a jumper wire at the rear to accept external preamps?

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Nov 21, 2003 at 09:35 PM
For guys curious if the WS preamp can work with a receiver with an amp in, yes it does! Just got mine today and tested the preamp by connecting it to the main in of my nadt752. I can go louder with the preamp hooked in as at 12 o' clock position it goes real loud...and cleaner, seems like the amp is hindered if you use the receivers volume control. and the preamp is just barely broken in ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arapaap on Nov 21, 2003 at 10:41 PM
so guys, how did the preamp match with your receivers?  how did the musical presentation go? ???
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 21, 2003 at 10:50 PM
so guys, how did the preamp match with your receivers?  how did the musical presentation go? ???

there are several guys with receivers using thsi preamp now..here are comments posted at wiredstate:

from"toobsnewbie"

Cheers!

Source: teac c1-d cd player
interconnects: DIY magnet wire using monster cable rca plugs
preamp: Wiredstate preamp
Amp: NAD T752 Amp section
Speakers: Custom made speakers, transmission line using a 1" silk dome tweeter and 8" kevlar driver.

Just got the preamp today from arnoldc, since i'm still waiting for my tube amp, I temporarily connected it to the main amplifier inputs of my nadt752. I was not really expecting much but like most it was a very pleasant surprise, not just with the preamp, but the amps of the nad, as its capabilities are fully used when i used the WS preamp :) .

The sound was much cleaner, voices were much clearer, instruments are more discernible (its like snow rose is just singing in front of you without a mike, with a guitar player by his side), bass was fuller, highs more crisp.for an entry level system i just might get spoiled :D . To think of the price i paid for this kind of performance... its a real bargain, if ever i buy or try a much more expensive preamp, I can't really expect an improvement comensurate of the price, and add the fact that this unit i got is not fully broken in yet :shock:

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 21, 2003 at 11:05 PM
I was listening a while ago with my preamp and I tried playing disco-swing music. This is the first time I heard it in a different manner. It has more detail, clear,and  it sounded very natural.  It is like my first time to really appreciate my disco CD's. I would say that a good sounding gear would really make you enjoy music. I would really recommend this product. Another thing is that Im only on my 10th hour of usage.

M-Shoe
  Thanks but no pwede.

Levi
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 21, 2003 at 11:06 PM
we are extremely pleased and proud of the reception and feedback on our pinoy-made preamp!  we have sold 25 units in only 1 week since we made the preamps available.

we are only selling 20 more before december 15 while still maintaining the same very low price...

maraming salamat!  mabuhay ang pinoy!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 21, 2003 at 11:08 PM
What other tubes do you recommend and do you know anyone selling? May mullard ba na 12au?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 21, 2003 at 11:20 PM
What other tubes do you recommend and do you know anyone selling? May mullard ba na 12au?
yes, mullard 12au7s are very musical tubes!

levi, there are dozens of options...baka mahilo ka sa tuwa dahil some tubes will provide an even smoother presentation.  my suggestion though is break-in the preamp, enjoy the current tube which is excellent sounding, and do tube rolling later on...it's like having one dozen different preamps by just tube rolling.

with you being our first customer, you will get a pair of vintage 12au7s from my personal collection sometime december as a christmas gift  ;D

for now, enjoy the music...and did you notice, suddenly your CDs are sounding much more enjoyable...

things get even better....and more sleepless nights!

superman just dropped by to get his unit 11:15pm and listened awhile to his preamp hooked to a 3wpc amp driving my voigts...i've never heard so much slam and dynamics coming from my 2a3 amp....awesome !

 ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 21, 2003 at 11:46 PM
Merry Christmas!!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Nov 21, 2003 at 11:59 PM
lucky guy, vintage tubes for free  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 22, 2003 at 12:41 AM
we are extremely pleased and proud of the reception and feedback on our pinoy-made preamp!  we have sold 25 units in only 1 week since we made the preamps available.

we are only selling 20 more before december 15 while still maintaining the same very low price...

maraming salamat!  mabuhay ang pinoy!




CONGRATS SIR V_D!

Wiredstate Projects...proudly Filipino Made!...i'm just so excited to try out the tube preamp... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 22, 2003 at 12:44 AM
yes, mullard 12au7s are very musical tubes!

with you being our first customer, you will get a pair of vintage 12au7s from my personal collection sometime december as a christmas gift  ;D

for now, enjoy the music...and did you notice, suddenly your CDs are sounding much more enjoyable...

things get even better....and more sleepless nights!

superman just dropped by to get his unit 11:15pm and listened awhile to his preamp hooked to a 3wpc amp driving my voigts...i've never heard so much slam and dynamics coming from my 2a3 amp....awesome !

 ;D

sir, ako walang xmas gift na tube??? hehehehehehe...joke lang...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Nov 22, 2003 at 05:29 AM

superman just dropped by to get his unit 11:15pm and listened awhile to his preamp hooked to a 3wpc amp driving my voigts...i've never heard so much slam and dynamics coming from my 2a3 amp....awesome !

 ;D

superman,

congrats pre! soon ill be hearing your new toy. ill be having one too. ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 22, 2003 at 09:00 AM
superman,

congrats pre! soon ill be hearing your new toy. ill be having one too. ;D

thanks, bro!...will post comments later on...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Digities on Nov 22, 2003 at 11:03 AM
wow. i want one !! now if only i had some moolah =/
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 22, 2003 at 11:08 AM
wow. i want one !! now if only i had some moolah =/

kaw pa!...bili na!  ;D :o ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 22, 2003 at 11:23 AM
for now, enjoy the music...and did you notice, suddenly your CDs are sounding much more enjoyable...

things get even better....and more sleepless nights!


i agree...the dynamics when i listened to V_D's voights and 2A3...wow...grabe yung voights ha! 'twas such a wonderful experience...but most of all, i was impressed at the WS tube preamp...the looks, the detail...very musical...A REAL WINNER...and PROUDLY FILIPINO MADE!...guys, this is really a must have!  ;D ::) 8) ;D ::)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: v0elker on Nov 22, 2003 at 12:17 PM
congrats john! pwede ba connect yung pre-amp outputs ng t752 into the ws pre-amp? para pati yung front channels ng dd/dts eh meron "tubey" quality?

For guys curious if the WS preamp can work with a receiver with an amp in, yes it does! Just got mine today and tested the preamp by connecting it to the main in of my nadt752. I can go louder with the preamp hooked in as at 12 o' clock position it goes real loud...and cleaner, seems like the amp is hindered if you use the receivers volume control. and the preamp is just barely broken in ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 22, 2003 at 12:19 PM
guys,

here's the review/comments of camotecue from pinoydiophiles:


My TB 2A3 SET amp got louder with the ws preamp. I used to push the volume control of this power amp to the limits ( I temporarily installed an alps potentiometer w/c I later removed in favor of the ws pre-amp). Now with the pre-amp, I just set the level from 11 to 12 o' clock to get to the desired volume im accustomed to. My audio room (which measures 3 x 4m and not enclosed) opens up to the stairwell leading to the ground floor and also to the attic. You wont believe this pre-amp and power amp puts out just 3 watts because it fills the whole house with music. ( Im using a voigt speaker adopted from the design of jon agner w/c I believe is adopted also from herbert jeschke's design). As to the sound, this preamp-amp combi sounds awesome -at least with the type of music I listen to. The warmth and detail is there especially when you listen to trumpet/sax and guitar; not to mention female voices. These equipment will stay long for me. A million thanks to the people involved in this project. Superb tube sound at a friendly price. Special thanks to vintage dog, arnoldc, and mickey kasi sila kinukulit ko palagi. To those who are still hesitating to buy the pre-amp and the TB 2A3 SET amp, buy now before the price goes up![/i]


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Titanium on Nov 22, 2003 at 12:51 PM
hey guys, nakaka intrigue etong pre-amp na eto. Can it improve my NAD c320 bee  integrated amp if I install it? The NAD is equipped with main in/out rca's with jumpers.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Digities on Nov 22, 2003 at 01:40 PM
well it should. according to what everybody said there should be an improvement in sound quality. so don't hesitate ! try it out then get it !
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: allyson on Nov 23, 2003 at 09:54 AM
    Whoooaa! Nice Gear yan ah!pag iisipan ko yan,sana huwag tumaas ang presyo till next year 8),medyo naka compromiso na kasi yun bonus ko eh :'(
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 23, 2003 at 10:07 AM
HEY GUYS!

we had a great listening session last night...thanks for those who attended and "enjoyed" the session...for the details, i'll leave to to iceman90a to post everything here (including the pics, of course)...but just a preview, we used the preamp in the ff:

1) WS tube preamp paired with the JE Labs SRPP 2A3 SET tube amp

2) Akyat's Kenwood Power amp (130w/channel)

3) Iceman's Fase Integrated Amp

all EXCELLENT results...plus one very good news...i think there is a "alternative solution" for the WS preamp to work with receivers like HK2550 and Marantz SR4300...again, iceman will do the explaning, hehehehe!

overall, the preamp ROCKS!...really a best buy...guys, just a reminder...the limited offer of Php8,250.00 will be applicable only to the next available 15 units...afterwards, price will increase to US$200.00...ORDER NA!  ;D

more reviews to follow c/o iceman90a, akyatbundok, james16, hans adriane and the rest of the guys...

thanks!  ;D

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 23, 2003 at 10:39 AM
pre - i'll just start a thread in the pinoydvd offline section  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Philander on Nov 23, 2003 at 10:45 AM
HEY GUYS!

....

all EXCELLENT results...plus one very good news...i think there is a "alternative solution" for the WS preamp to work with receivers like HK2550 and Marantz SR4300...again, iceman will do the explaning, hehehehe!

overall, the preamp ROCKS!...really a best buy...guys, just a reminder...the limited offer of Php8,250.00 will be applicable only to the next available 15 units...afterwards, price will increase to US$200.00...ORDER NA!  ;D

more reviews to follow c/o iceman90a, akyatbundok, james16, hans adriane and the rest of the guys...

thanks!  ;D



Review muna and tell us the workaround to use the pre-amp with receivers which do not have AMP IN.

Para makaorder na!!!

 ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 23, 2003 at 11:00 AM
check out the pics and initial post here

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=17761
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Nov 23, 2003 at 03:10 PM
what i can say about the preamp.... SUPERB!!! ;D

superman,

thanks for a being a wonderful host... salamat sa cds also... ;D galing ng set-up nyo sir... I really enjoyed and had a great time!!!
it was nice also meeting your father, ngayon alam ko na kung pano ka naimpluwensiyahan sa hobby natin...

iceman90a,

ganda ng set-up mo din.... di ba ibebenta??? heheheh

akyatbundok,

lupit ng kenwood power amp mo, lalo na ng may preamp, bili ka na hehehheh  ;D

nice meeting all the other guys also...

may pag-as pa maimprove yung hk ko, pwede ikabit sa cd in, may pag-asa heheheh, ope na wag tataas ang price... ::)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 23, 2003 at 04:21 PM
Superman,

Thanks ulit sir..... ganda talaga!!


Nice meeting you guys.. Yukon, Julsp, symon, Jvm, iceman and sa 2x akyat, james, nel76, J-albert..

James,

Order na pre ng preamp!! balita ko limited na lang... hehehe

Akyat,

Naka order na ako anytime next week meron na rin akoooooo!! hehehehe


iceman,

Masyado kang suwerte sir.. Ganda ng dynaudio/Fase mo!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 23, 2003 at 07:20 PM
bros,

tsk tsk tsk, as usual inggit ako sa WS listening session nyo *sigh*. on the other hand, at least ive no itch to upgrade since i didnt get  hear it, hehehe. ignorance is such a bliss!!!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 08:22 AM
HI GUYS!

i've decided to re-post this here (thanks to iceman and the rest of the guys!)...thanks!  8)



last night - a group fo us guys interested in the Wiredstate pre-amp had a listening session to help us decide on whether or not we would like the pre-amp in our system...

one of the members here - Superman (thanks bro!) was kind enough to invite anyone interested (and willing to travel to alabang) for an audition with his 2a3 amp.

as most of us were solid state users (amps & receivers) we thought it prudent to brinag along an integrated amp and a power amp to see if the synergy will be the same

first we listened to Superman's set-up (we only played 1 song for all combinations, i'll post details later) using S2 speakers ...

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/03soul%20mates.JPG)

in my opinion the wiredstate pre-amp and amp are soul mates  :)

next we listened using my Fase integrated amp and audience 52's (no pre-amp in the system yet)

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/04fase.JPG)

which of the 2 systems were better? well to use a previous scientific method started by akyat, hans & james16... i would say its like comparing Francine Prieto (tisay na makinis) with Juliana Palermo (morena beauty)  :D

depende sa type mo - the others will expound on the differences and similarities (i dont want to comment as i might be biased)

next we ran the same track, this time with the pre-amp hooked up...

aaahhhh... everyone breathed a sigh of relief, and disappointment at the same time...

a) OK!!!!!!! Tunog Tubo! (and all the good things that implies)


b) PATAY!!!! Gastos na naman (kailangan ko nito...)

next we tried it with akyat's kenwood power amp

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/05kenwood.JPG)

result? let's just say you won't be able to wrest this amp from akyat even at 5 times the purchase value  ;)

system used:

cd player - Musical Fidelity E624
IC - eichmann & DIY braided silver w/ bullet plugs
speaker wires - IXOS 6007 (for the fase)
                         QED silver anniv (Kenwood)
                          Analysis oval (S2)
track - feels so good by chuck mangione

judges:

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/07judges.JPG)

L-R (standing) - superdad, superman, j_albert, akyatbundok, hans , james16, nels76
seated - yukon, julsp168

naka alis agad si jvm eh

second shot of judges

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/06judges%202.JPG)

the new guy in the middle is symon

another shot of francine & juliana:
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/01speaker%20placement.JPG)

i just realized - wala pa tayong pangalan sa combination... help me out guys!  ;D


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Nov 24, 2003 at 09:29 AM
geko, where are you?  ;D

your wirestate preamp is now in my office, pick it up before someone else does  :D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 09:56 AM
busy yata masyado Sir,

ako na lang dadaan...  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Nov 24, 2003 at 10:09 AM
ako  hindi busy. ;D

di na dapat pinapatagal yan.....ako nalang kaya :)

calling geko! calling geko!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 10:13 AM
geko, where are you?  ;D

your wirestate preamp is now in my office, pick it up before someone else does  :D ;D


naku sir arnoldc...mukhang busy si geko at down ang as/400 nila...pag binigay mo kay iceman and julsp168, triple the price!!! hahahaha!  ;D 8) ;D 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Nov 24, 2003 at 10:32 AM
congrats to the wiredstate crew for producing a winner.  question guys, which model of receivers have a direct power amp in??  i heard in the session that hans adriane's HK 5500 have it.  are there other receiver brands/models out there that can be used?  thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Nov 24, 2003 at 10:39 AM
This could be a more affordable option if avr owners want to have their current set sound like tube in audio.

Marantz SR4300 have no "amp in", so how can we, owners of SR4300, be able to use the WS preamp? :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 24, 2003 at 10:52 AM
How does HK5500 sound with WS preamp?


congrats to the wiredstate crew for producing a winner.  question guys, which model of receivers have a direct power amp in??  i heard in the session that hans adriane's HK 5500 have it.  are there other receiver brands/models out there that can be used?  thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sebman on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:00 AM
can any of the guys present on the listening session in superman's place.. comment on the results of connecting the preamp on the cd-in port of a receiver .. this would be useful for those who don't have the amp-in feature on their avrs. thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:08 AM
This could be a more affordable option if avr owners want to have their current set sound like tube in audio.

Marantz SR4300 have no "amp in", so how can we, owners of SR4300, be able to use the WS preamp? :)

here is how:

1. plug cd player in pre-amp
2. connect pre-amp to CD "in" via analog
3. for Marantz - enable "Source direct" , for HK choose "Tone Out"
 - this kills pre-amp section of the receiver, and the amp section will only get the "unchanged" signal from the input connections

for volume setting, you can either:
1. max out the volume knob on the Pre-amp
2. control volume via remote on the receiver
*** this is what i plan to do, but don't know the effect on the lifespan of the tube, paging ArnoldC - your advise please***

or
1. Set your receiver to 0dB (at your reference volume - i use 80 dB)
2. Control volume via the WS pre-amp knob

additional disclaimer - since the signal will not go directly to the amp section (although pre-amp is disabled) there is still the chance of the signal being modified, hence use of a pure amplifier will still be recommended

BUT until you do get an amp (tube/SS) this will work, and enable you to enjoy tube sound while you save up  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:09 AM
How does HK5500 sound with WS preamp?

s2kov, we didnt have the hk5500  in the listening session but he told me that his hk5500 has amp in.  lucky guy, the WS preamp becomes a simple add-on upgrade.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:20 AM
Iceman90a,

Do i still need to set my receiver (HK) to tone out even i have the amp input?


here is how:

1. plug cd player in pre-amp
2. connect pre-amp to CD "in" via analog
3. for Marantz - enable "Source direct" , for HK choose "Tone Out"
 - this kills pre-amp section of the receiver, and the amp section will only get the "unchanged" signal from the input connections

for volume setting, you can either:
1. max out the volume knob on the Pre-amp
2. control volume via remote on the receiver
*** this is what i plan to do, but don't know the effect on the lifespan of the tube, paging ArnoldC - your advise please***

or
1. Set your receiver to 0dB (at your reference volume - i use 80 dB)
2. Control volume via the WS pre-amp knob

additional disclaimer - since the signal will not go directly to the amp section (although pre-amp is disabled) there is still the chance of the signal being modified, hence use of a pure amplifier will still be recommended

BUT until you do get an amp (tube/SS) this will work, and enable you to enjoy tube sound while you save up  ;)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:21 AM
Iceman, thank you for the instruction.


Kanino kaya pwede makahiram para mapakinggan ko sa set ko?  ;D

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:21 AM
here is how:

1. plug cd player in pre-amp
2. connect pre-amp to CD "in" via analog
3. for Marantz - enable "Source direct" , for HK choose "Tone Out"
 - this kills pre-amp section of the receiver, and the amp section will only get the "unchanged" signal from the input connections

for volume setting, you can either:
1. max out the volume knob on the Pre-amp
2. control volume via remote on the receiver
*** this is what i plan to do, but don't know the effect on the lifespan of the tube, paging ArnoldC - your advise please***

or
1. Set your receiver to 0dB (at your reference volume - i use 80 dB)
2. Control volume via the WS pre-amp knob

additional disclaimer - since the signal will not go directly to the amp section (although pre-amp is disabled) there is still the chance of the signal being modified, hence use of a pure amplifier will still be recommended

BUT until you do get an amp (tube/SS) this will work, and enable you to enjoy tube sound while you save up  ;)



thanks iceman90a!...

DISCLAIMER: this is not a guarantee that it will improve the sound, especially for receivers w/o amp-in...remember that in effect, since the receiver has a SS pre-amp section, what happens is that even if you set tone settings to 0 for the receiver, the output (which has passed through the tube pre-amp) again will pass thru a SS pre-amp (receiver)...thus, what happens is parang mineral/distilled water passing through two stages - one 1st stage is tube, then 2nd stage is...my suspicion is that the tuibe sound will have a mix of SS and tube (again, my suspicion only, haven't tried it yet)...now, this would depend on the listener...

initial impression of iceman paired with the fase is that the highs were tamed, literally tamed...we played some "bright" vocals...when he used the fase only before, high notes would be annoying at times, but when paired with the tube pre-amp, swabeng-swabe...hoy hoy hoy, hoy hoy hoy!  8)

paging arnoldc and vintage_dog...may logic ba 'to??? don't know if i'm making sense...

thanks again!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:22 AM
Akyat,

Thanks.... Sorry i misunderstood.... :-\ :-\ :-\


s2kov, we didnt have the hk5500  in the listening session but he told me that his hk5500 has amp in.  lucky guy, the WS preamp becomes a simple add-on upgrade.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:36 AM
Iceman90a,

Do i still need to set my receiver (HK) to tone out even i have the amp input?

para sigurado set mo to tone out. dont know if the volume knob of the receiver will still work if you use the amp in connectors, theoretically they should not and the volume control will be left to the pre-amp.

those with amp-in plugs in your receivers are lucky, less chance of the receiver's pre-amp coloring the signal from the WS pre-amp  ;)

jvm - i don't think may mahihiraman ka ng WS pre-amp, puro "over my dead body" siguro ang sagot na madidinig mo  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:39 AM

jvm - i don't think may mahihiraman ka ng WS pre-amp, puro "over my dead body" siguro ang sagot na madidinig mo  ;)

...and mine has a new accessory...heavy duty kadena with heavy duty padlock...may bantay na doberman... ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:50 AM
I thought so ;D. I think they rather be separated from their GF/wife for a while rather than from their new WS preamp ;D

I hope they extend the special price until January, so if ever there will be leftover from my bonus and hopefully tax refund, I will be able to get one. ;D

Listening session na lang ulit para marinig ang effect sa different amps, lalo na yong wala pang pambili tulad ko. :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:00 PM
iceman90a,

ganda ng set-up mo din.... di ba ibebenta??? heheheh


make me an offer  ;) malay mo...

nice meeting you all - that's the best part of this hobby, meeting likeable people that you can share it with  :)

it's not all about being technically knowledgable on how everything works  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:04 PM
it's not all about being technically knowledgable on how everything works  ;)

tama!...and remember, the red wine, di nabuksan...piyesta kami ni superdad niyan, hahaha!...joke lang...so, bro. yukon, your assignment next time is to bring cork screw...hehehehe!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:05 PM
I thought so ;D. I think they rather be separated from their GF/wife for a while rather than from their new WS preamp ;D

I hope they extend the special price until January, so if ever there will be leftover from my bonus and hopefully tax refund, I will be able to get one. ;D

Listening session na lang ulit para marinig ang effect sa different amps, lalo na yong wala pang pambili tulad ko. :D


will try to ask V_D kung pwede i-stretch yung installment offer...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:08 PM
As most of you are aware, we are not a "business entity" but a hobby group of crazy Pinoydiophiles DIY at Wiredstate.com.  We do projects so more folks are able to experience hi-end without the cost.  In fact, for our first project, we sold the first few units below our cost!  For this preamp, we practically break-even if we are to consider the R&D and other personal expenses each one of us spend just to have the products available.

We will try to maintain the price as long as we can, but the key factors are cost of the parts.  All are premium and imported.  In fact, some parts we have are BETTER than parts used in some expensive preamps like Audio Note kit, Conrad Johnson, Jadis, Audio Research and they cost $1,000-3000.  

Design is purist so no components to mess with the sound...what you hear is tube heaven!

Those interested MUST signup at Wiredstate.com:

http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1114&start=90 (http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1114&start=90)

Demand is VERY high...30 units gone in 10 days, so you have to sign-up now.

Believe us guys, these preamps could easily sell 3x as much with the parts and quality in them.

Back-log is 2 weeks and this may soon be for export.  When that happens prices will be at least $200-300
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:12 PM
actually may magandang sinabi si Sir Vintage:


all of you guys (shown in the picture) are guaranteed the same price anytime you buy them...kahit na nag-increase na para sa iba...

ang problema - wala si jvm sa picture dahil naka alis na sya ng mag kodakan, ako naman wala - kasi ako kumukuha ng picture   :'( :'(
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:16 PM
actually may magandang sinabi si Sir Vintage:ang problema - wala si jvm sa picture dahil naka alis na sya ng mag kodakan, ako naman wala - kasi ako kumukuha ng picture   :'( :'(


hehehe...

let me correct that then:

all those present in superman's den will be extended that offer!

 ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:18 PM
Jvm,

hehehehee Grabe pala... pero pwede pa yan sir..


sayang wasn't able to bring my Hk para cgurado na sa sound hehehe.. next time cguro..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:23 PM
will try to ask V_D kung pwede i-stretch yung installment offer...thanks!  8)

okay, here's a one-time offer only for those who will book in November:

3-gives (para akong bumbay nito ah!)

P3,500 upon reservation up to November 30

P2,500 by December 15

P2,500 by January 15

post-dated checks required...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:30 PM
tama!...and remember, the red wine, di nabuksan...piyesta kami ni superdad niyan, hahaha!...joke lang...so, bro. yukon, your assignment next time is to bring cork screw...hehehehe!  8)

hhmmm  ::) puwede na ba yong drill dyan?
jack hammer na kaya?  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: geko on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:30 PM
yo, guys!

it looked like you had one hell of a grand time last saturday!!!  inggit ako!!!  

sana meron pang susunod para makasama  na ako...  (saka ready na yung CDs na dapat i-do-donate ko saka 'yung calamansi soda na dapat dadalhin ko.)   ;D  

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:33 PM
sir V_D,

Sir any news on my order?? saw at wiredstate that friday pa sir ready??

Thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:38 PM
sir V_D,

Sir any news on my order?? saw at wiredstate that friday pa sir ready??

Thanks

Pending Orders:
1. aron - pickup from arnoldc @ makati
2. audionewbie - pickup from arnoldc @ makati
3. June Montemayor - wednesday 11/16, pickup from arnoldc @ makati

available this Friday (12 units):
4. Gabriel (ship to Cebu next week)
5. Hans Adriane (from mickey)
6. s2kov
7. Cris - pickup from Ed at Bicutan (together with 2a3 amo + Fostex MV167)
8. audioboy (julsp168)
9. jon agner
10. RU9
11. runhino2 (from mickey, QC)
12. iceman90a
13. Anthony Audio
14.  
15.

your unit is due friday...we will have 12 units available, 10 are committed na so 2 na lang available from this friday's batch...


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:41 PM
Sir Vintage,

Ok sir.. Friday hehehehe ty..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:45 PM
hey guys, we're going to have a listening session this saturday in ortigas.  will test the WS preamp on various ss amps.  its probably the easiest way to go into tubes -- use your existing amp ala hybrid.  then later on just add a tube power amp.  we'll see if its possible to use on a receiver... we can compare using a power amp and an integrated amp with amp-in.  

narayan will bring his WS tube preamp & MF ss preamp -- ala barrera vs pacquiao!!  in this corner.... PAK-YEAOWWW... like they say about pac-man, a star is born.  small/lightweight but packs a wallop.  sensya na mga bro medyo masikip sa place ko only 5 guys at a time can really listen properly.  palit-palit na lang.

nga pala sir vintage_dog, do you have a name for it already?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:51 PM
*** this is what i plan to do, but don't know the effect on the lifespan of the tube, paging ArnoldC - your advise please***
tube life will not be affected by this setup.

this method (which is the only option) could be prone to impedance matching. so you have to find out if full volume on the preamp is better sounding compared to full volume on the amp.

the output impedance of the preamp is 2.5Kohms.

to those who missed the manual, please send me an email at [email protected] and i'll reply back with a manual in MS Office Word format.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:55 PM
hey guys, we're going to have a listening session this saturday in ortigas.  will test the WS preamp on various ss amps.  its probably the easiest way to go into tubes -- use your existing amp ala hybrid.  then later on just add a tube power amp.  we'll see if its possible to use on a receiver... we can compare using a power amp and an integrated amp with amp-in.  

narayan will bring his WS tube preamp & MF ss preamp -- ala barrera vs pacuiao!!  in this corner.... PAK-YEAOWWW... like they say about pac-man, a star is born.  sensya na mga bro medyo masikip sa place ko only 5 guys at a time can really listen properly.  palit-palit na lang.

nga pala sir vintage_dog, do you have a name for it already?


for the listening session, suggest you use a preamp that has been broken-in, preferably 100 hrs...difference is huge...

as for the name, wala pa nga eh...maybe you guys can suggest an orig name...pinoy na pinoy dapat!

(by the way, we named our 2A3 amp, tubong bastos!)

okay, suggestions please:
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:03 PM
why not TUBONG MAGINOO???  ;D

di ba maganda...may tubong bastos pero may tubong maginoo din???

para maginoo ang pre-amp pero medyo bastos ang power amp...wala ng magsa-suggest...PANALO NA KO!!!...YEHEY!!!!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:10 PM
nyah! kaya XXX yun kasi alang pangalan  ;D

pero Tubong Bastos (na magiging mas bastos, abangan!) plus XXX di kaya sobrang laswa na? He he he he he
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:11 PM
dahil match sila - ano pa ba ang babagay sa tubong bastos kundi:

tubong mapagbigay  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:12 PM
name the preamp...

1. Tubong Maginoo (superman)
2. Landi (v_d)
3. XXX (arnoldc)
4. tubong mapagbigay (iceman90a)
5.
6.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:13 PM
BD Preamp nalang!

Bastos Din! ;D

Q: Ano amp mo?
A: Tubong bastos

Q: eh pre-amp mo?
A: Bastos din!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:15 PM
WS (Walang Sabit) Preamp ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:16 PM
okay, here's a one-time offer only for those who will book in November:

3-gives (para akong bumbay nito ah!)

P3,500 upon reservation up to November 30

P2,500 by December 15

P2,500 by January 15

post-dated checks required...



AYOS! kasama pa ba ako dito Sir? (please)

kailan ho ang bigay ng cheke? upon pick-up? sana sa Alabang pick-up point ko Sir, also i requested no input selector switch - instead 2 output connections from 1 source

MARAMING SALAMAT  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:34 PM
hehehe...

let me correct that then:

all those present in superman's den will be extended that offer!

 ;D

Vintage_Dog,

Kasama ako don, wala lang sa picture :).

So that means the original price is offered to us anytime :D? Thank you very much.

Do I have to line up now? Or should I do it when I'm all ready to buy? I have no budget allocated yet as of today ;D and still hoping by January :-\.


I also have some suggestion about the name:
WS P1122-TB  
WS-Wired State
P-preamp
1122-Nov22 nang "ma-discover" sa listening session
TB-tubong bastos ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:37 PM

I also have some suggestion about the name:
WS P1022-TB  
WS-Wired State
P-preamp
1022-Nov22 nang "ma-discover" sa listening session
TB-tubong bastos ;D

eh di dapat 1122?

peace kabayan  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:38 PM
eh di dapat 1122?

peace kabayan  :)

I stand corrected ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:55 PM
hey guys, we're going to have a listening session this saturday in ortigas.  will test the WS preamp on various ss amps.  its probably the easiest way to go into tubes -- use your existing amp ala hybrid.  then later on just add a tube power amp.  we'll see if its possible to use on a receiver... we can compare using a power amp and an integrated amp with amp-in.  

narayan will bring his WS tube preamp & MF ss preamp -- ala barrera vs pacquiao!!  in this corner.... PAK-YEAOWWW... like they say about pac-man, a star is born.  small/lightweight but packs a wallop.  sensya na mga bro medyo masikip sa place ko only 5 guys at a time can really listen properly.  palit-palit na lang.



What time? I can come in the afternoon, because I still have work in the morning.

This is another chance to really evaluate the WS preamp. :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Nov 24, 2003 at 02:00 PM
jvm, after lunch.  hintayin natin si narayan kasi nasa kanya yung preamp.  pm me pre.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sebman on Nov 24, 2003 at 02:12 PM
jvm, after lunch.  hintayin natin si narayan kasi nasa kanya yung preamp.  pm me pre.

sama din ako.. sana me sumama n makapag-dala ng HK avr.. 2550 or 3550... para marinig din nating connected yung pre-amp to an HK avr via the cd-in port..  ;D  ;D calling HK guys.. ala ako kasing tsikot to bring my HK avr e.. hassle to commute with it..  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 02:25 PM


BRO. JAMES...thanks so much, james...anytime!...hope we can set another session in the future...this time we'll try to invite sir V_D and sir ArnoldC plus the other WS/Pinoydiophiles Gurus...para sana may lecture/learning session...ok ba yun???



sir V_D...sana you can "revive" the TUBES101 learning sessions (posted sa pinoydiophiles)...a good number of us would still want to learn more and more about tubes...thanks!




Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Nov 24, 2003 at 02:33 PM
buti na lang at nakapunta ako sa smallville para maka-experience ng magagandang sounds... ;D ;D ;D

baka pala makalimutan ko, salamat sa ating wonderful host (superman) and it was nice meeting the other guys, iceman90a, julps168, jvm, yukon, symon...

also nice seeing again the others like hans adriene, akyatbundok, j_albert22 at nels76...

bottomline : kahit naka ss or tubeamp or receiver, gaganda ang tunog dahil sa WS pre amp (pinoy made yan)...  

makes me proud to be pinoy....  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Nov 24, 2003 at 02:52 PM
here's another name to consider:

WS TP line stage

WS - Wired State
TP - (Tubong Pangromansa)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 03:05 PM
guys, i read this from pinoydiophiles...this is ganjaman's review of the WS pre-amp...thanks!



Let me preface this by saying that I don’t consider myself to be an Audiophile in the strict sense. I’ve owned various audio gear from car to HT to 2-Channel. I collect CD’s and can’t do without music. I browse this site any many others like this a lot. Not really sure what that makes me. In any case, I’ve read many a review on various types of equipment and they invariably fall into one of the following:

1) Written by Audiophiles for Audiophiles  :)
2) Written by Audiophiles for Newbies  :D
3) Written by Newbies for Audiophiles  :x
4) Written by Newbies for Newbies.  :roll:

Since I’m not comfortable doing the first 2, let me skip the third and go straight to the bottom. This is not so much a review as it is a run-down of my experience with this component thus far. I promised a friend I'd try to do this so here goes...

I have been on the hunt for a reasonably priced tube preamp for sometime now. Having listened to a tube system in a buddy’s house sometime early this year, I felt MY path to sonic nirvana would have to include some type of tube in it. I started with a MF X-10D in between my CDP and HT receiver and my determination to have a tube in there somewhere merely grew. Having an OK SS power amplifier lying around the house from an earlier foray into audio led me to think – Maybe a tube pre and SS power could be just my ticket to a cost effective experiment into tube sound.

How does one audition a preamp? Given the significance of the amplifier, source and speakers – not to mention cabling – in the entire chain, how does one isolate the sonic qualities/benefits of a preamp alone? The proof of the pudding is in the packaging as they say. Thus, I looked at features instead. Phono stage, tone controls, multiple inputs, remote, gold plated RCA’s. Etc… Damn, these things can be expensive.  What of those do I really need? This hunt is proving to be quite a challenge. Let me tell you, you'll be hard pressed to find a tube pre under Php15k that does not need restoration work or that hasn't been a victim of domestic violence. Even abroad, you can probably get one but you'll have to ship it home, spend dollars then assemble it pa yourself.

Well, as fate would have it, before I could purchase preamp, I managed to buy a classic tube amplifier that came with a passive line stage. I took the sucker home and thus, I felt, my hunt had ended. I not only have tubes in my system but nearly tube system in itself. Completo na.

Browsing through WS one day I come across this announcement for an assembled preamp for a bargain price of US$150. My curiosity was piqued not because I needed one but because my previous search was unfulfilled. Having combed the city for a preamp in my budget proved to be quite a challenge and here comes one now that I don’t really need it. I thought to myself, here’s a DIY (not by me though) project with no reviews just specs and a rundown of the parts used. I know nothing about Auricaps and the like. I didn't know what to expect. Buying this, FWIW, would take a leap of faith and leap I did. I ended up number 9 on their list. Anyway, terms naman with money back guarantee pa. My leap was more of like Bungee jumping then.

A month passes then the announcement comes… Ready for pick up Nov 15. Am I excited, not really. I had been spending some coin lately and did not think I really needed it. Anyway, reserved na so might as well give it a try. One Sunday afternoon, a fellow WS friend and I headed off to Ortigas to pick up our units. My friend and I wanted to hang out a bit more with the guys but the anxiousness of taking this thing home proved to be hard to resist. Off we went…

I tried to be methodical in my approach. I said I’d play 3 of my fave songs first to recall the passive line stage and then warm up the pre and play the same songs. One and three-fourths of a song later, I yanked the passive off and plugged the pre. I couldn’t wait. Forget the 3 songs, forget the warm up, lets get to the main course.

First off, walking backwards to the sofa after loading a CD, my chest already felt that thump. There was something here. There more of everything, the system played louder too. At 10 0’clock volume in my little room, the sound filled the place. Anything playing loud will give you detail. Given the time, I turned it down a bit thinking the detail would likewise blur a bit. Nope...still around.

My amp could really have used a bit lower end and there it was. That was the first thing that grabbed me. I thought I was in for some critical listening to get to appreciate the preamp but found myself laying down on the couch with the lights on relaxing. Why? I didn’t have to try so hard to pay attention to the details. They were there wherever I sat (or lay). No eyes closed, no sitting up straight, no turn off the lights… Detail, detail, detail – that’s what I got.

Soundstage remained about the same but the artists seem like they stepped up to the mike a bit. I played Jacintha’s Moon River and the piano keys were struck with a bit more force. I played Dire Straits’ Your Latest Trick live and I could hear the crowd chanting rhythmically for the first time. I thought they were just cheering at first. I have a better sense of the front and back of the recording, not just the left and right of it. It was getting late and I had a busy Monday so off it had to go. I went to bed with a feeling of satisfaction not unlike being bumped up to business class for free - on a long haul to NY. For the price i paid, I know i robbed somebody, just not sure who...

So far, I’ve had this burning in for about 40 hrs, having listened for about 8 hrs and played a bit with my interconnects. Thus far, I feel that the gain in the mids and lows have evened out more. I used to have more gain in the just highs and lows – not so much the mids. Now, vocals are more involving even off-axis or just low level ambient listening. Bass isn’t as much now as when it was new but when its there, its much better behaved. For the visually oriented, Did I go from black and white to colored TV? No, not really. More like rear projection to flat TV.  

Overall, I’m pretty happy I bought this for the following reasons; I can listen at lower volume and still get the detail I want. I get more detail with warmth uncompromised. My redbook CD’s sound better and I save money as I can put off a front-end upgrade. The gain I get has made listening to vocals more involving without it being in your face. The wider range and dynamics won’t make me want to upgrade my amp for some time. For the grand price of P8,250 – I’ve made my money back already. Suffice it to say that I’ll be begging off on that money back offer. Generous, but no need.

As far as reviews go, there are always cons that need to be mentioned. In my case, its tough to pinpoint. Do I need tone controls, no because I find things tonally balanced as they are. Do I need more than 2 inputs, again no - tuner and CD is all i have. Do I need a Phono stage, not right now. Could the power switch be in front, no - i don't like the clutter. In fact, as much as i am a slave to remotes, I find I don't really need it. On dynamic passages, the music remains poised and non fatiguing. No need to turn it down. Rather, let me tell you how you can get more out of this. 1) Label the RCA's/Input and selector switch -  makes life easier 2) Upgrade your power cord if you can afford it. 3) try out some other tubes AFTER you've familiarized yourself with the existing ones.

I hope this helps those on the fence wondering if this is just the thing to bring that romantic tube sound into your home. After having received some SMS messages over the weekend requesting feedback from prospective buyers, I felt my comments may be timely given the rise in demand. As I’ve said, I’ll leave the expert reviews to the experts (who else). Of course, my thanks to the guys of WS for making this available to the likes of us. Salamat at Mabuhay!

Equipment used (like a true audiophile :P ):

NAD 502 cdp
Rivo Dynaco ST-70
B&K ST-140
Passive line stage using Alps Black 100K
Kimber PBJ's CD to Pre, Pre to Amp
VdH D102 Mk 2 - Pre to Amp
Vandersteen 1b/Spica TC-60 (on loan)

Dire Straits - (Best of, HDCD)
Jacintha - Autumn Leaves
Jacques Lossier Trio Telarc - Vivaldi
Sting - All this time
Frank Sinatra/Carlos Jobim
And by now, practically half my CD collection...

P.S. Usual disclaimers apply, this is in my room, my ears, my neighborhood, my couch, my snacks etc...







Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 24, 2003 at 04:28 PM
Vintage_Dog,

Kasama ako don, wala lang sa picture :).

So that means the original price is offered to us anytime :D? Thank you very much.

Do I have to line up now? Or should I do it when I'm all ready to buy? I have no budget allocated yet as of today ;D and still hoping by January :-\.


yes, we'll keep that price for you until January...you can make reservations when you're ready to buy...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 04:44 PM
name the preamp...

1. Tubong Maginoo (superman)
2. Landi (v_d)
3. XXX (arnoldc)
4. tubong mapagbigay (iceman90a)
5.
6.


Sir new entry - Tubong Masabaw  ;D

juicy daw kasi eh

or heto pa : TL - Tubong Liberated  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 04:50 PM
eh kung TUBONG PINOY parang TRIBONG PINOY, hehehe!...eto pa...TU-BONGGA!...naging bongga ang tunog...hahaha! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 04:57 PM
Akyat,

James16 plan ata to bring along his HK3550 and B2 sa listening session.. so pwede natin hook up sa WS preamp.. and hear the difference will try cguro the CD in route since wla ata main in..

Paging james16 ano sundo na ba kita... hehehe
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 04:58 PM
How about Mr tube swabe!!  :P ::)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:17 PM
Akyat,

James16 plan ata to bring along his HK3550 and B2 sa listening session.. so pwede natin hook up sa WS preamp.. and hear the difference will try cguro the CD in route since wla ata main in..

Paging james16 ano sundo na ba kita... hehehe

sundo mo rin ako sa alabang, hehehe!  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:23 PM
superman,

hehehehehe  :D :D naku po..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:51 PM
how about... tubong oongi !!

ano nga ba ibig sabihin nyan, paging ser tamulmol.. tulong po... hehe.   ;D  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:53 PM
pwede kaya NATIVE TUBo..

Akyat,

OOnga....  ;D ;D para akong cow hehehe
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:56 PM
how about... tubong oongi !!

ano nga ba ibig sabihin nyan, paging ser tamulmol.. tulong po... hehe.   ;D  ;D


pssst...hala ka...lagot ka...baka magalit  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:58 PM
superman,

Ay OOnga... este.. sorry po..




Jok onli... ;D ;D peace
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Digities on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:59 PM
moooo..  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 06:02 PM
(L)les,

Pre... iba na yan choco drink na yan eh  ;D ;D

Teka sobra na OT...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: edboy7 on Nov 24, 2003 at 06:04 PM
pwede pa ba humirit hehehehe e kung ws-TB1122(tubong pinoy nov22).....ok ba?... ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Nov 24, 2003 at 06:07 PM
pssst...hala ka...lagot ka...baka magalit  8)

nyeks jok onli.... peace :D

uy dumadami na ang pupunta sa listening session.  sana makapunta lahat, konting tiyaga lang kasi baka hinde tayo lahat magkasya sa sofa.  tsaka hindi pwede tumayo behind the sofa tulad ng kila superman.  palit-palitan na lang ng upo.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Nov 24, 2003 at 06:09 PM
how about.... pinatubo !?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Nov 24, 2003 at 06:09 PM
Akyat,

James16 plan ata to bring along his HK3550 and B2 sa listening session.. so pwede natin hook up sa WS preamp.. and hear the difference will try cguro the CD in route since wla ata main in..

Paging james16 ano sundo na ba kita... hehehe

Oongiiiii!!!!

cge dalin natin kina akyat para marinig natin yung HK/MA tapos may WS pre amp (co narayan).... naku.... ang bigat pala ng dala ko.... ehhhhh  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 24, 2003 at 06:13 PM
eto pa ang isang entry ko...tutal naman eh may kabastusan ang pinagmulan ng lahat (TUBONG BASTOS)...eh di mag-all the way na tayo...TUBONG HUBO!...kitang-kita talaga (di ba sabi niyo OK ang imaging)??? 8) ;D :D 8) ;D :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 06:18 PM
ThubATUBES  :o ;D 8) ::)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Nov 24, 2003 at 06:21 PM
ThubATUBES  :o ;D 8) ::)

and the search for the name of the WS pre amp still continues.....
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: geko on Nov 24, 2003 at 06:54 PM
busy yata masyado Sir,

ako na lang dadaan...  :)

ako  hindi busy. ;D

di na dapat pinapatagal yan.....ako nalang kaya :)

calling geko! calling geko!

too late, guys!  nakuha ko na.  heheheh.   ;D

kung di lang coding ang sasakyan ko...  nag-ala-superman na ako -> zzzoom! -> faster than a speeding bullet!  nasa bahay na ako...  8)

oh, well.  just a few more minutes to go...   ;D      

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 07:01 PM
kaka inggit ka naman...  ;)

kinabahan ka no? kinuha mo agad eh  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 24, 2003 at 07:43 PM
tube life will not be affected by this setup.

this method (which is the only option) could be prone to impedance matching. so you have to find out if full volume on the preamp is better sounding compared to full volume on the amp.

the output impedance of the preamp is 2.5Kohms.

to those who missed the manual, please send me an email at [email protected] and i'll reply back with a manual in MS Office Word format.

thank you Sir,

here are the specs of the amp and receiver i will use it with. san ko dapat i-match?

HK Receiver: Input sensitivity/Impedance: Linear (high level) 200mV/47kohms

Fase amp PF30: cant remember the specs, but it would be similar to those of your PF45

thanks Sir!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 24, 2003 at 10:43 PM
Sir V_D,

Please consider me for this offer. I am interested to avail of this payment scheme.... :D :D :D

Maganda to ah!!! You've been very helpful for all members....

Thanks.... :) :) :)

okay, here's a one-time offer only for those who will book in November:

3-gives (para akong bumbay nito ah!)

P3,500 upon reservation up to November 30

P2,500 by December 15

P2,500 by January 15

post-dated checks required...


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:59 PM
Sir V_D,

Please consider me for this offer. I am interested to avail of this payment scheme.... :D :D :D

Maganda to ah!!! You've been very helpful for all members....

Thanks.... :) :) :)

ok
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 25, 2003 at 12:02 AM
AYOS! kasama pa ba ako dito Sir? (please)

kailan ho ang bigay ng cheke? upon pick-up? sana sa Alabang pick-up point ko Sir, also i requested no input selector switch - instead 2 output connections from 1 source

MARAMING SALAMAT  :)

ok
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 25, 2003 at 12:06 AM
those near the alabang area and interested to listen to the WS preamp and my other audio gear are free to join the session on tuesday 11/25, 8pm...

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/fostex/106_0650_IMG.sized.jpg)

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/eb-oct6/IMG_0652.sized.jpg)

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/speakers/IMG_0674.jpg)

contact superman for details...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 25, 2003 at 12:18 AM
thanks a heap,  V_D!...

guys, look at those vintage amps...now you know why francis chose the name Vintage_Dog...anyway, as of this evening, the following have confirmed their attendance thru SMS at V_D's abode (November 25, 2003 -  8:00pm):

1) superman

2) iceman90a

3) yukon

4) geko

5) aeioun

6) symon

7) julsp168


for the others, please make sure to confirm tomorrow afternoon if you're coming over...you may send me an SMS 0918-9284868...we can probably meet at starbucks madrigal avenue (beside HSBC, Frank Provost and Metrobank)...meeting time is 7:45pm to 8:00pm...for those na susunod na lang, send me an SMS for directions...

...this is a wonderful opportunity to experience what we now call an AUDIO PHENOMENON!  ;D

...thanks again!  see you tomorrow! 8)

BTW, one of the objectives of the session is to be able to test the preamp in A/V receivers, specifically the Harman Kardon 2550 (thanks iceman90a!)...we hope to post more good news after the session... 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Leiko on Nov 25, 2003 at 04:23 AM
hey guys, we're going to have a listening session this saturday in ortigas.  will test the WS preamp on various ss amps.
nga pala sir vintage_dog, do you have a name for it already?

...


Is this by invitation-only affair?  Can 'osyosos' like me crash in as well?  ;D  Haven't heard of SS-Tube combo and am wondering how the match will go.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Nov 25, 2003 at 07:00 AM
Many thanks.... :) :) :)

ok
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: darvin on Nov 25, 2003 at 07:36 AM
sirs

I wanna buy this wiredstate amp to connect to my receiver, I would like use a separate amp for audio, but the problem is I dunno how to do it

how will I connect the amp to my receiver?

what about the speakers, will they still stay connected to the receiver or do I have to transfer to the amp if I wanna use the amp?

many thanks

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 25, 2003 at 07:44 AM
sirs

I wanna buy this wiredstate amp to connect to my receiver, I would like use a separate amp for audio, but the problem is I dunno how to do it

how will I connect the amp to my receiver?

what about the speakers, will they still stay connected to the receiver or do I have to transfer to the amp if I wanna use the amp?

many thanks



you do not need to connect your amp to your receiver. the connections will be:

cd player -to- pre-amp -to- amp -to- speakers

yes you will have to disconnect your speakers from your receiver and connect it to your amp
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: geko on Nov 25, 2003 at 07:53 AM
thanks a heap,  V_D!...

guys, look at those vintage amps...now you know why francis chose the name Vintage_Dog...anyway, as of this evening, the following have confirmed their attendance thru SMS at V_D's abode (November 25, 2003 -  8:00pm):

1) superman

2) iceman90a

3) yukon

4) geko

5) aeioun

6) james16 (tama nga ba, bro?)


for the others, please make sure to confirm tomorrow afternoon if you're coming over...you may send me an SMS 0918-9284868...we can probably meet at starbucks madrigal avenue (beside HSBC, Frank Provost and Metrobank)...meeting time is 7:45pm to 8:00pm...for those na susunod na lang, send me an SMS for directions...

...this is a wonderful opportunity to experience what we now call an AUDIO PHENOMENON!  ;D

...thanks again!  see you tomorrow! 8)

BTW, one of the objectives of the session is to be able to test the preamp in A/V receivers, specifically the Harman Kardon 2550 (thanks iceman90a!)...we hope to post more good news after the session... 8)



supes, i left my mobile phone at home.  pls pm if there are any changes in the plan.  

also, i will be coming from makati.  those who need a ride, i can accomodate up to 3 people.  

we could meet at park square 1 at around 6:30 pm.  send me a pm if interested.  

 
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 25, 2003 at 08:18 AM
our listening schedule for tonight:

1. listen to iceman90a's receiver using sony SACD player without the preamp driving the 6" voigts in my living room...

2. hook-up WS preamp to receiver..., listen, evaluate

3. listen to same system but using preamp + japanese 2a3 amp

break; transfer venue to my listening room upstairs...

4. listen to consonance tube cd player - > ws preamp -> 300b SET amp -> brines fostex speakers

5. try out ws preamp-receiver driving the brines-fostex, then use either sonus faber concerto or the spendor s3/5

6. try out other amps - eico monoblocks, dynaco, 45 SET amps if desired  ;D




Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 25, 2003 at 08:27 AM

break; transfer venue to my listening room upstairs...

4. listen to consonance tube cd player - > ws preamp -> 300b SET amp -> brines fostex speakers

5. try out ws preamp-receiver driving the brines-fostex, then use either sonus faber concerto or the spendor s3/5

6. try out other amps - eico monoblocks, dynaco, 45 SET amps if desired  ;D

this is what i'm excited about especially the consonance -300b-WS tube preamp combo...yahoo!...pwede kaya magpaampon, hehehehe!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 25, 2003 at 08:32 AM
our listening schedule for tonight:

1. listen to iceman90a's receiver using sony SACD player without the preamp driving the 6" voigts in my living room...

2. hook-up WS preamp to receiver..., listen, evaluate

3. listen to same system but using preamp + japanese 2a3 amp

break; transfer venue to my listening room upstairs...

4. listen to consonance tube cd player - > ws preamp -> 300b SET amp -> brines fostex speakers

5. try out ws preamp-receiver driving the brines-fostex, then use either sonus faber concerto or the spendor s3/5

6. try out other amps - eico monoblocks, dynaco, 45 SET amps if desired  ;D


first of all Sir, thank you very much for this opportunity.
second - kapalan ko na mukha ko, can we insert between #2 & #3 , trial using my Monitor Audio B2 speakers?

Thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Nov 25, 2003 at 08:41 AM
our listening schedule for tonight:

1. listen to iceman90a's receiver using sony SACD player without the preamp driving the 6" voigts in my living room...

2. hook-up WS preamp to receiver..., listen, evaluate

3. listen to same system but using preamp + japanese 2a3 amp

break; transfer venue to my listening room upstairs...

4. listen to consonance tube cd player - > ws preamp -> 300b SET amp -> brines fostex speakers

5. try out ws preamp-receiver driving the brines-fostex, then use either sonus faber concerto or the spendor s3/5

6. try out other amps - eico monoblocks, dynaco, 45 SET amps if desired  ;D



mmmmm....looks like i am left with no choice but to attend the session tonight. ???
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 25, 2003 at 08:43 AM
mmmmm....looks like i am left with no choice but to attend the session tonight. ???


great, bro...you're IN!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Nov 25, 2003 at 08:51 AM
great, bro...you're IN!  8)

yes bro...count me in. ;)

ill bring bio-data narin baka naghahanap si sir vd ng househelper/security guard to take care of his gears. kahit isang amp lang isang taon ang bayad sakin. ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 25, 2003 at 10:33 AM
yes bro...count me in. ;)

ill bring bio-data narin baka naghahanap si sir vd ng househelper/security guard to take care of his gears. kahit isang amp lang isang taon ang bayad sakin. ;D

ok, pare...pero i'm 1st in line...kasi lamang ako...marunong ako maglaba, plantsa, all-around...thanks!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Nov 25, 2003 at 11:04 AM
naku sir sayang hindi ako makakapunta... ang gaganda ng gears!!  i'm especially curious about that beautiful black piano finish tower speaker with the tiny woofer in the middle.  if thats what i think it is (ike's legendary voigt??), oohh man... i read at wiredstate that it can go really loooow, as in lower than most subs can handle.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 25, 2003 at 11:54 AM
naku sir sayang hindi ako makakapunta... ang gaganda ng gears!!  i'm especially curious about that beautiful black piano finish tower speaker with the tiny woofer in the middle.  if thats what i think it is (ike's legendary voigt??), oohh man... i read at wiredstate that it can go really loooow, as in lower than most subs can handle.

yes, that's the legendary "ike's voigt" and only the second one in the world...the first one of course is the original with ike (of wiredstate.com).  only two units have the now extinct and super rare RS 40-1354 drivers...they are only 5-1/4" drivers but sound like a full blown speaker system in the voigts.  the voigts go as low as 10hz as measured...

don't worry, you will have another chance to listen to them one of these days!
 
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 25, 2003 at 11:54 AM
Superman,

wowow sayang... love to come sana...  :'( :'( problema have a client to meet.. tonight..

Feedback na lang sir..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 25, 2003 at 11:55 AM
first of all Sir, thank you very much for this opportunity.
second - kapalan ko na mukha ko, can we insert between #2 & #3 , trial using my Monitor Audio B2 speakers?

Thanks!

just bring them over...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Nov 25, 2003 at 01:31 PM
Superman,

wowow sayang... love to come sana...  :'( :'( problema have a client to meet.. tonight..

Feedback na lang sir..


superman,

ok sana makasama, nagkataon naman nasa bataan ako at may inspection lang kami dto. tignan ko kung di kmi overnyt at makahabol sana...

iceman, pls give feedback ok....

sir v_d, hopefully marinig ko yung cool gears mo next time... ;D cgurado ang lulupit nyan....
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 25, 2003 at 02:29 PM
take a look if you can spot the preamp prototype.  it's actually the one that's on a wooden board with open wires and the two tubes...this is how it all started  ;D

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/album03/106_0682_IMG.sized.jpg)

also take a look at what mickey is holding...that is the chassis prototype...and whose ass is that?  that's arnold's...hehehe ;D  the other guy on the right is ed (toobs)....am not in pic as i was holding the camera..

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/album03/106_0685_IMG.sized.jpg)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 25, 2003 at 04:47 PM
hi sir V_D!

as of 5:00pm today, here's the list of security guard applicants, este WS tube preamp fans coming over to your place...


1) superman

2) iceman90a

3) yukon

4) geko

5) aeioun + his officemate

6) symon

7) julsp168



guys, again, meeting time is 8:00pm at starbucks madrigal avenue (beside frank provost, metrobank and HSBC, fronting hen lin)...iceman90a and i will be at the alabang town center to visit the "controversial budget-priced" gale speakers and also visit upscale audio...pag napaaga kayo, let us know...tsibog muna...thanks!  8)

see you all!

btw, bro. geko, any anybody sasabay sa iyo??

thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Titanium on Nov 25, 2003 at 04:48 PM
Can you pls post the dimensions of the preamp, including total height plus tubes. thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: geko on Nov 25, 2003 at 04:48 PM
none i'm afraid.  sigue, will just see you there.  

ano oras magandang umalis coming from makati?  traffic kaya south expressway?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 25, 2003 at 04:50 PM
none i'm afraid.  sigue, will just see you there.  

ano oras magandang umalis coming from makati?  traffic kaya south expressway?
try to leave by 5:30...better to assume na heavy traffic...you can pass by the skyway...pero di ko sagot toll fee, hehehe!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: KD on Nov 25, 2003 at 08:30 PM
Can you pls post the dimensions of the preamp, including total height plus tubes. thanks.

Width 152mm
Depth 320mm (includes volume knob and rear RCA jacks)
Height 70mm without tubes, 120mm with tubes (includes rubber feet)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 26, 2003 at 06:45 AM
ano kaya tunog ng HK receiver + Monitor audio B2 + Wiredstate pre-amp?

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/hk&b2.JPG)

CURIOUS KA NO?????

Abangan ang reviews from last night....
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 26, 2003 at 06:54 AM
those near the alabang area and interested to listen to the WS preamp and my other audio gear are free to join the session on tuesday 11/25, 8pm...

First of all, thank you very much to our host Sir Francis (Vintage dog)  :)

that is one memorable experience, one I am very glad that I did not miss...

The Voigt's were AWESOME!!! and what a way to listen... with the creator standing right beside you, explaining the theory and principles behind the design - in a language you can easily understand  ;D

I'm still a little groggy from lack of sleep - so I'll post our findings later  ;)

Iceman, Geko, Superman, Julsp168, Yukon, Sir Mickey, Aeioun, Sir Francis , Sir Ike

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/group3.JPG)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: geko on Nov 26, 2003 at 10:25 AM
First of all, thank you very much to our host Sir Francis (Vintage dog)  :)

that is one memorable experience, one I am very glad that I did not miss...  

thanks very much for having us, sir vintage_dog!   likewise, for sharing your supercalifragilisticexpialidocious of an audio collection!  not to forget the superb meryenda!   salamat po!!!  

last night's  session is worth the cold shoulder that my girlfriend is giving me now (di ako naka-text/tawag dahil naiwan ko cell phone ko sa bahay  ;)).  i hope she doesn't read this.  heheheh.  ;D

Quote
The Voigt's were AWESOME!!! and what a way to listen... with the creator standing right beside you, explaining the theory and principles behind the design - in a language you can easily understand  ;D

yup!  can't take them tremendous Voigts out of my mind.  sana di ko na lang 'yung nadinig...  :-\

thanks, sir ike, for sharing with us the wonderful journey you took in coming up with those wonderful works of art.   ;D
 
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 27, 2003 at 09:53 AM
I guess the secret can now be revealed... all owners of HK receivers and Monitor Audio B2's may now rejoice!!

the Wiredstate Pre-amp does wonders for the sound coming from the combination  ;D

so good that Sir Vintage , Sir Ike & Sir Mickey, actually took a closer look at the receiver  ;)

another revelation was that the P75/meter speaker wire at Spectra - is a very good match for HK & MA  ;D

I'm not very good with translating sound into written word, so I'll just post a few more pics of that session:

HK & B2 in the living room:
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/b2hk%20in%20living%20room.JPG)

HK with pre-amp:
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/hk&pre%20in%20living%20room.JPG)

we also tested the pre-amp/HK combo with some of Sir Vintage's speakers - and the sound was awesome for all, except that the HK had a little difficulty in playing the Spendors...

HK with Spendors:
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/spendors.JPG)

HK with Sonus Faber Concertos:
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/concertos.JPG)

Brines Fostex 1.1:
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/bf1.1.JPG)

we spent the most time listening to this combo:
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/OHK_B2.JPG)

we ended the night with Julsp168 being handed his pre-amp by Sir Mickey:
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/julsp168%20handover.JPG)

and with me getting the proto-type(writer) from Sir Ike:
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/iceman%20handover.JPG)  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Nov 27, 2003 at 10:36 AM
there must something wrong somewhere with the HK - Spendor S3/5 combination.

i'm driving a Spendor S3/5 in my room using a puny 3W per channel 2A3.... hmmm, but yes, someone commented that my 2A3 + Spendor S3/5 was a lot better than Plinius + Spendor S3/5 combination.

so there you go, system matching is a reality.

julsp168 should be able to tell you about this combination after he hears it tonight. he will be the first to hear the TB 2A3i (version 2 of tubong bastos) + Infinity Kappa 200 and Spendor S3/5.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 27, 2003 at 03:02 PM
Iceman,

Galing!! Hk/Ma/WS preamp!!! can't wait na sana friday na hehehehe...

Sir Vintage dog,

Can you text me sir the address of Sir Mickey at West Ave.. thanks po.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 27, 2003 at 03:23 PM
feedback naman sa ibang listeners hehehe...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Nov 27, 2003 at 05:08 PM
Pwede bang pa delete ng thread na ito? Gastos nanaman!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 27, 2003 at 09:39 PM
feedback naman sa ibang listeners hehehe...

hi guys!  ;D

it's been a very hectic (and toxic) day...but when i entered my listening room, i immediately played "stacey kent: boy next door"...suddenly, nawala ang pagod... :o

it was a different experience at V_D's place (by the way, thanks sir francis!...especially for the pancit, chicken sandwich and home-made brownies - actually, eto yung ire-review ko, hehehe!)...i'm no audiophile nor an expert in listening but let me try... :-\

we first tried the living set-up with a sony dvd/sacd player, japanese 2A3 and the audio phenomenon (ano pa, eh di yung WS tube pre-amp)...and of course, the VOIGTS!...we all felt that we wanted to stay and live there...sir ike, those "monsters" are damn good!!!...bass slam goes down to 10hz...no subwoofer can match its slam...experienced goosebumps...boom, boom, boom!!!...ay, yung pre-amp nga pala ang ire-review...the only time we noticed how the pre-amp helps is when sir francis removed the preamp and just used the passive attenuator of his japanese 2A3...biglang numipis...the "detail" and sweetness is still there but you really have to crank up the volume...when we hooked the pre-amp again...oooohhhh...much, much sweeter...nakaka-diabetes!...lalanggamin sa tamis!...thanks to V_D's peters drury trio CD... ;D ;D ;D

next, we hooked up the harman kardon and the b2...suddenly, someone knocks on the door, it's the voigt man himself, mr. ike tuazon (see his picture sa taas awarding iceman90a the proto-typewriter with 300B tubes, hehehe!)...we had a small lecture on tube appreciation and the voigts (eto yung masaya, free lecture! - hope we can have a session on tube appeciation and tubes101)...then back to the set-up...sir francis was amazed on the HK-B2 combo with the WS preamp...tube-sounding na nga daw eh...sir francis, who's the artist in the that chinese CD again??? magandang pang-break-in ng speakers yan ha!...we then told sir francis to GET READY WITH THE ORDERS...i'm 100% sure that because of the success of this experiment, they will have a hard time catching up with the orders (kaya pila na, order na!)...they test them one by one, that is the true meaning of QUALITY!... ;)

then sir V_D told us to get ready and bring the equipment to his audio heaven (heaven talaga!)...we hooked up the HK-B2 combo plus the preamp using (my dream CD player!) the opera consonance cd player...again, it was a totally different listening experience...the bass were more controlled, tighter vs. an ordinary dvd player (which we all agreed na medyo muddy and parang kalay especially yung bass)...we played stacey kent's boy next door...i was expecting the highs to be a little "sharp" since we're using a receiver...but i was wrong, this preamp really makes wonders...bumilog, transition was very smooth...of course, the opera consonance also made this possible...even sir ike was "amazed" on how the combo sounded... :o

we also had the opportunity to listen to sir V_D's monoblock 300B SET amp using the ultimate TJ 300B meshplate...panis ang 2A3 ko, waaaaaaahhhhhhh!...pero siyempre, love your own...i still love the detail and slam of my 2A3 (naks, biglang bawi)...iba kasi yung "embracing" sound of the 300B...very involving...is this open for home audition???hehehehe!...or even for adoption??? hahahaha!  ;D ;D ;D

we also tried different speaker combinations, V_D's concertos, spendor s3/5 (sir jay_cee_em, medyo familiar yung speakers na yun ha! 8)) and the brines-fostex (one of my favorites)...each would have a different characteristic...i was particularly amazed on how the spendors sounded considering 82db lang ang sensitivity...sir francis, thos brines-fostex speakers can really sing with the 300B and the tube preamp... :o

naku, one of my favorites also during the listening session (aside from the chicken sandwich) is the NOS RCA cleartop...sir francis, you're correct, this is more malambing vs. the NOS sylvania...but there's still more tube life to enjoy with the sylvanias!...the sylvanias would have its own characteristics...more on the detail side, a perfect match to my 2A3...but i'm sure mas lalambing yung 2A3 ko with the cleartops, hehehehe!  ;D

wow, never realized that this is a litany already...well, let me thank again sir francis for hosting us...sir ike for the lecture on the voigts and basic tube appreciation...of course sir mickey...congrats on the design of the preamp and the tubong bastos!...hope there's a part 2... ;D

to the other members, if you're seriously considering this "upgrade", wag nang magdalawang isip...even Php20k to Php30k preamps can match this baby...this is an AUDIO PHENOMENON!...the WS Preamp - now a name...SOON A LEGEND...WORLDWIDE! ;D ;D ;D

thanks!...more reviews soon...i'm on my 50th burn-in/break-in hour already...it really opens up...very sweet sounding...haaaaayyyyyy!!... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Nov 28, 2003 at 07:38 AM
hans adriene,

congrats pare sa WS pre amp... ngayon mo ba makukuha??? puyatan na naman... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 28, 2003 at 08:33 AM
James,

Hopefully this afternoon sir...

superman,

sir very nice review..hehehehe
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sebman on Nov 28, 2003 at 08:51 AM
nice review superman... hopefully i can also get one WS preamp as a buddy to my HK/B2 combo..  :D   ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 28, 2003 at 09:18 AM
James,

Hopefully this afternoon sir...

superman,

sir very nice review..hehehehe


thanks hans!

more reviews to follow...this gear is really AWESOME!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 28, 2003 at 09:19 AM
nice review superman... hopefully i can also get one WS preamp as a buddy to my HK/B2 combo..  :D   ;D

thanks allan!

pumila na kayo...at baka magkaubusan pa... ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Nov 28, 2003 at 09:25 AM
Superman,

Maybe you can also post your review on the WS-Marantz4300 combo that you tried?

Thanx. :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Nov 28, 2003 at 09:26 AM
very nice and informative review superman...

hopefully magkaron ako ng budget para makabili nyan...
that's what is preventing me from buying it eh...   :-[
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 28, 2003 at 09:35 AM
TO THE SATURDAY CLUB...

good luck on your WS tube preamp adventure...enjoy the listening session...by the way, sir V_D mentioned to us that sir arnoldc might be joining you??? that's great, free lecture yan i'm sure...

i've got a very hectic sked this saturday and i guess i won't be able to join you (sayang, makikikain pa naman ako...sa food share ko, hans, please take charge  ;D)...

please post your findings kaagad...thanks again and enjoy!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 28, 2003 at 09:42 AM
Superman,

Maybe you can also post your review on the WS-Marantz4300 combo that you tried?

Thanx. :)

pre kung bitin ka sa listening session, pwede natin madala yung pre-amp ko sa inyo, para "Home audition" ang dating  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 28, 2003 at 09:50 AM
superman,


Keep it coming sir... for the guys who want there AVR to improve in 2 channel audio this is it...

O guys narinig nyo yan ha yun food share ni Superman eh sa akin lang... ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 28, 2003 at 09:58 AM
some settings we tried:

HK on 0 volume
HK at -10
HK at +10 (maxed out)

for me sound quality did not change, hinahabol naman kasi ng volume setting ng pre-amp

Hans - did you try the amp in of your hk 5500 if the volume can still be controlled even if this is the input connection used?

i think the answer is yes, because like i said the input connections are actually for a 5.1 source and not a true bypass like the NAD recvr/integ amp

no need to wait for the pre-amp before you try this, just plug in the analog audio out of your cd player or dvd player to the amp-in and see if the volume knob still works  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Nov 28, 2003 at 09:59 AM
pre kung bitin ka sa listening session, pwede natin madala yung pre-amp ko sa inyo, para "Home audition" ang dating  :)

Iceman,

thank you for the generous offer. After the listening session tomorrow, I will text you so we can schedule it.

thank you.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 28, 2003 at 10:00 AM
Iceman,

Sige sir i'll try it as soon as i got the preamp.. so better pa yun CD in?? at least no problem pag select ng function.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 28, 2003 at 10:10 AM
Iceman,

Sige sir i'll try it as soon as i got the preamp.. so better pa yun CD in?? at least no problem pag select ng function.

i wouldn't really know what would be better, since technically pareho lang ng specs ang inputs nyan, whether CD or Aux, etc... try mo na lang...

which reminds me something na di ko pa natry - Logic7 with the Pre-amp  :D

hmmm... for sale pa ba yung B2 ni Ganjaman???  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ariel on Nov 28, 2003 at 10:25 AM
if you will connect the cd output directly to the amp in of the hk, the volume control will not work anymore. the hk5500 is like the "separates" only housed in a single chassis.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 28, 2003 at 10:34 AM
if you will connect the cd output directly to the amp in of the hk, the volume control will not work anymore. the hk5500 is like the "separates" only housed in a single chassis.

thanks! that settles that then  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 28, 2003 at 10:38 AM
if you will connect the cd output directly to the amp in of the hk, the volume control will not work anymore. the hk5500 is like the "separates" only housed in a single chassis.

yup, this is correct, and we completely agree as this has been proven already by some of our co-members who own the HK 5500...however, please take note that during the listening session at V_D's place, we used iceman's HK 2550 which does not have the AMP IN feature, same goes for some marantz models...i think (if i'm not mistaken)...this feature is only available for the HK 5500 and up...that's why the whole objective of the session is to find out an ALTERNATIVE way of using the WS tube preamp using either the AUX IN or the CD IN...FYI!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 28, 2003 at 12:08 PM
Ariel,

Kung ganun mas ok sir..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Nov 28, 2003 at 12:16 PM
TO THE SATURDAY CLUB...

good luck on your WS tube preamp adventure...enjoy the listening session...by the way, sir V_D mentioned to us that sir arnoldc might be joining you??? that's great, free lecture yan i'm sure...

i've got a very hectic sked this saturday and i guess i won't be able to join you (sayang, makikikain pa naman ako...sa food share ko, hans, please take charge  ;D)...

please post your findings kaagad...thanks again and enjoy!  ;D

Sir Clark, pwede ba sumama dyan?
Kung pwede where and what time ba?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Nov 28, 2003 at 12:21 PM
Sir Clark, pwede ba sumama dyan?
Kung pwede where and what time ba?

muttley, sa ortigas center after lunch on saturday... pm me sir!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Nov 28, 2003 at 12:31 PM
akyatbundok,

send you pm sir!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Nov 28, 2003 at 02:35 PM
Architectural Audio appointed official Wiredstate Outlet

Starting Monday, December 1, Architectural Audio will stock the following:

a) Wiredstate Preamplifier P8,250
b) Wiredstate Interconnect (terminated with Eichmann Bullet Plugs) P2,500

Please note that ALL Wiredstate products will be available ONLY at Architectural Audio until further notice.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: marty_e on Nov 28, 2003 at 02:39 PM
Quote
b) Wiredstate Interconnect (terminated with Eichmann Bullet Plugs) P2,500

Hi Arnold, is this the teflon coated silver braid?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ZEPHYR on Nov 28, 2003 at 02:40 PM
Hi to all, just like to ask if I can still join you guys ::). May space pa po ba, matagal ko na kasing sinusundan itong mga usapan ninyo sa WS preamp et al. Medyo inclined na nga ho ako to upgrade to tube :P kaya lang gusto ko sana maka-audition yang WS preamp along with the SS equipment.

Thanks  ;D

Zephyr
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Nov 28, 2003 at 02:56 PM
Hi Arnold, is this the teflon coated silver braid?
ganjaman, this is the teflon insulated copper braid (warmer than silver).
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Nov 28, 2003 at 03:13 PM
Hi to all, just like to ask if I can still join you guys ::). May space pa po ba, matagal ko na kasing sinusundan itong mga usapan ninyo sa WS preamp et al. Medyo inclined na nga ho ako to upgrade to tube :P kaya lang gusto ko sana maka-audition yang WS preamp along with the SS equipment.

Thanks  ;D

Zephyr

Zephyr, kung ok lang sayo ang masikip na listening area, ok lang din samin hehe.  sent u pm!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Nov 28, 2003 at 03:21 PM
Architectural Audio appointed official Wiredstate Outlet

Starting Monday, December 1, Architectural Audio will stock the following:

a) Wiredstate Preamplifier P8,250
b) Wiredstate Interconnect (terminated with Eichmann Bullet Plugs) P2,500

Please note that ALL Wiredstate products will be available ONLY at Architectural Audio until further notice.


sir, meaning i can buy the preamp on monday?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Nov 28, 2003 at 03:31 PM
yes, you can. no more reservations, first come - first served.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ZEPHYR on Nov 28, 2003 at 10:29 PM
Zephyr, kung ok lang sayo ang masikip na listening area, ok lang din samin hehe.  sent u pm!

Sir cowboy din tayo np kahit masikip and lugar ang importante makasama ako at makita at mapakingan ko yung mga set-up nyo (newbie toits).

So see you all na lang bukas.

Thanks again bro.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Nov 28, 2003 at 11:36 PM

julsp168 should be able to tell you about this combination after he hears it tonight. he will be the first to hear the TB 2A3i (version 2 of tubong bastos) + Infinity Kappa 200 and Spendor S3/5.

Last night was really fun filled as I had the pleasure to audition sir Arnoldc’s tb2a3i (version 2) inside his listening den. It was really a mixed emotion of excitement  ;Dand fear ???. Fear because I felt my TB2a3 would need to undergo some circuit changes not to mention the added expenses of course. Excitement because any improvement in the design may as well benefit me.

At the very moment i entered sir Arnoldc’s audio den, my ears began to hear the prototype Tubong Bastos 2A3 version 2 paired with Anthem active preamp, Infinity Kappa speakers and hdcd cdp playing jacintha’s Moon River. Frozen by jacintha’s voice, I was momentarily unable to move as I didn’t want to miss a bit of her voice tickling if not licking my ears (laway!)  :P. Unconsciously my mouth keeps on whispering “ang ganda!” “ang galing!” :D..... admiring the bold and crisp presentation of the amp.   At the end of that song as silence began to draw its presence, I asked Arnold what changes have he made. He told me that the driver now used is the 12ax7 which has a higher gain, of course with some changes in capacitor values and circuitry and that it is capable now of giving 3 wpc unlike the first version which has 2 wpc only. My initial observation then was that the prototype has equally clear presentation as the original tubong bastos. I asked then that a passive preamp be used to test whether it is good also when not paired with active preamp and  he readily agreed. He connected it to a passive preamp with DAC potentiometer.  Viola, the details were still there but he had to crank up a little more for increased volume.  ;D Then he asked if I want to mate it with a WS preamp as he has one in his possession. I eagerly said yes as a proud owner of the same preamp ;D. As expected ;), the WS preamp did good even more by extending the bass and highs of the prototype amp. Extracting its potentials or any amp for that matter ;). After listening to some vocal cds, I decided to test the amp on instruments. So I asked Sir Arnold if he has Tutti Orchestral Sampler in his collections and luckily he replied positively.  I had to ask him to play such cd because this was one of the cds we played in one of our sessions in superman’s tower. The first bass of track 1 of that album stormed jen's listening room when the ws preamp was paired with akyatbundok’s kenwood THX solid state power amp. I wasnt expecting to obtain the same amount of bass from Akyat's solid state but at least a half of it would do. :) Immediately after the cd started playing, I apprehensively awaited for the first bang of bass to slam..... as the first track went on for few seconds ......suddenly......KABLOOM!........impressed? oh yes! the slam it humbly provided was pretty impressive.  ;D Though not as huge as what I heard with akyatbundok’s kenwood, the same is more than likeable to my preference. ;)  My impression then was that the prototype has more body and slam than the TB2a3.

Then Arnold took control of the situation, without going further, he brought out his reference cd to finally test the promising prototype. Guess what he came out with? Rock!................... What? ???..........Yes…..a rock cd. As reference?.............. Certainly! And so as the true blood rocker went on to play his newly acquired cd entitled “THE COMPLEX” by BLUE MAN GROUP,

(http://www.blueman.com/image/complex/thealbum/cover_avnow.jpg)

the final test then ensued. The first few notes on the first track were really impressive but when multiple drops of bass came to take its course, distorted percussions became apparent at high volumes :-[ :'( :-[. Sadly, we had to remove the WS preamp and replaced it with his Anthem active preamp to verify compatibility problem. Though distortions were not very audible when it was paired with the Anthem Preamp, presentation was still blurred. In other word “litong-lito” :o to aptly describe the fault. Probably a draw back in the design or it could have been the fault of cheap small output transformers (saturation problem). The output transformers mounted were not the same as those that came with the TB2a3 kit (OPTs were specially customized according to Master JM’s specification). At that moment, what was clear then after the test was that the prototype will need a little more time and effort of no less than Master Arnold himself :'(. (Lucky us for having a man filled with strong determination to provide another version of the tubong bastos and improve even more the already impressive original tubong bastos. Thanks Sir! ;))

The night didn’t end there, instead sir Arnold graced me by allowing to audition his JE’s 2a3 SRPP design and JE’s 300b design. He fired his 2a3 paired with his oracle turntable and infinity kappa. I was really floored because the amp sounded just right!......... very lovely combination of gears! synergy was overwhelming!Analog rules! (need I say more) ;D. He then braved himself and played his reference cd that shamed the prototype. Loudly as it was going, the multiple drops of bass in the first track of the cd did not have the able power to dent and put to shame his reference 2a3 amp. Instead, dynamics and sound stage were excellent. ;D.................. I was so impressed and floored even more. ;D An eye-popping  :o and jaw-dropping  :o performance that almost everyone will envy >:(. All praises to your 2a3 sir! Of course, I salute JE for coming up with the now world acclaimed JE 2a3 SRPP design.  ;)

And when the night was getting older, the final lap of the show had to come, the 300b in action. Best described as one to die for when it comes to vocals. Arnold then played again Moon River by jacintha inorder to compare its characteristic versus 2a3 amp. Jacintha's voice was astonishingly sweet and amazingly enveloping.  Her voice reminded me of someone I truly admire.  :) My wife! ha...ha...ha...!

After having reminded about my wife, I then looked at my mobile phone if somebody called or texted because I chose not to be bothered about what was happening outside the four walls of arnoldc’s audio room, not even FPJ’s declaration to run for president ;D ;D ;D. I then saw 3 messages coming from my true Jacintha! ..........Ngeeeeeeh! .............Nanginginig pa! :'( Fear started to shaken my knees while reading her three messages containing the same bold letters "UMUWI KA NA" >:(.  :'( ;D :'( Suddenly, we had to end the night because I was left with no choice but to pack up and leave sir Arnoldc’s place as my wifey had already made 3 counts (one message one count). On the fourth count......no one knows what's going to happen. HEHEHEHEHE!


To Sir Arnold,

Thanks for the time and patience! It is always a delight talking to you sir. ;)

Last night was a happy  ;Dand “trembling”  :'(experience. Indeed, a night to remember! ;D

Thanks and more power! ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 30, 2003 at 09:23 AM
nice review, pare!

had almost the same experience when i listened to ArnoldC's 2A3 and 300B...although wala pang WS tube preamp at that time, we used the volume control (Alps Pot) and his anthem tube preamp...great guy with great gears!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 30, 2003 at 09:31 AM
sir, meaning i can buy the preamp on monday?

Muttley,

We have a few units at ArchAudio but they are for those who reserved earlier.  You may pick-up your unit on Friday or Saturday next week.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ZEPHYR on Nov 30, 2003 at 09:45 AM
Hi vintage_dog

Sir you got PM, Thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 30, 2003 at 01:36 PM
[from"botching" of SAUDI]
Quote
VD i also want to get 1 unit of the WS preamp.my brother will make the transaction on my behalf. Due to job related circumstances my vacation has to be postponed until april next year. a friend will bring this preamp back here in saudi. many pinoy here wants to hear the pre amp. some hifi shops  owners here also are curious to how a pinoy made audio gear sound! they say if its good, commercial aspect of WS gears can be discussed later on. my friend will be coming back by the first week of jan. i hope it will ready by then.
pls pm me for your contact number

great news...i'm sure you guys will be very proud of this product...i own and have heard several expensive preamps and this preamp holds its own and in fact i prefer this over other preamps...syempre love your own...plus, how can one beat a $150 preamp (slightly higher in january!!!

my cel number is 0917-621-5056

cheers!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 30, 2003 at 01:48 PM
After our very successful listening session.. would like to thank sir Mickey for dropping by.

For the guys behind WS Preamp!!!  
clap.... clap.... clap...... clap..... clap.... clap....clap.... clap... clap... clap.... clap.... clap..... clap.... clap....

Editor's choice ito for me!!! PANALO ang sound!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: botching on Nov 30, 2003 at 01:49 PM
thanks VD, if my brother can pick it up by dec 7 the better maybe some other friend may be coming back here earlier
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 30, 2003 at 01:58 PM
thanks VD, if my brother can pick it up by dec 7 the better maybe some other friend may be coming back here earlier

...we will make sure there is at least 1 unit available for you guys!

btw, what's the voltage there at saudi?

v 8)d

be proud!  pinoy yata ito!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ZEPHYR on Nov 30, 2003 at 02:06 PM
the december 7 batch will use a thicker chassis...we will make sure there is at least 1 unit available for you guys!

be proud!  pinoy yata ito!

Sir kasama na rin ba ako sa batch na ito ;D

The Saturday session made a believer out of me that I just have to get that pre-amp on my new setup.

To all the guys at akyatbundok's condo thanks again for the great accomodation.  :) ;)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 30, 2003 at 02:26 PM
sir Francis,

Have Pm you sir..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 06:56 AM
DELIVERY STATUS:

17. aron - picked-up
18. Hans Adriane done
19. s2kov done
20. audioboy done
21. iceman90a done
22. don done

23. Cris - pickup from Ed at Bicutan (together with 2a3 amp + Fostex MV167)

24. June Montemayor - from Arch Audio
25. jon agner - from Arch Audio

26. rubhino2 (from mickey, QC)
27. Anthony Leuterio (pick-up from ArchAudio)
28. yukon done

29. Gabriel (ship to Cebu next week) - with mickey
30. RU9 (ship to Zambo) - with mickey

next batch (dec 7-15):
31. audionewbie/geko (for uncle, pickup?)
32. titan - from ArchAudio
33. rsm2a3 (singapore)
34 HotonE - from ArchAudio
35. hkfoam (ship to bukidnon)
36. Muttley (Dan) - from Arch Audio
37. ZEPHYR - from ArchAudio
38. botching (for saudi)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Dec 01, 2003 at 08:24 AM
I don't have any units with me. As I previously mentioned all those who prefer pickup from me should pick up their units from Architectural Audio.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 01, 2003 at 09:46 AM
the setup: MS & MA speakers
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws3.jpg)

the master: sir mickey!
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws1.jpg)

the fans: the rowdy MA-MS owners
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws2.jpg)

hey thanks to everyone who went to akyat's bundok. we had a lot of fun listening to the new WS preamp, which everybody should know by now is a winner of a product.

for me the moment of enlightenment was when i switched back & forth between digital and analog inputs of my marantz receiver.  i used to be unable to distinguish between the analog and digital connections of my DVD to receiver.  i once did a comparison so that i would know which connection would give me the optimum sound quality.  it turned out that the DACs & output stage of my DVD player matches the quality of those in my receiver, so i could barely distinguish the difference.  but with the WS preamp inserted in the analog path, the difference was enormous!  could it be because it was just louder?  we fixed the volume level of the preamp at 12'oclock presumably to keep the difference in loudness from becoming a factor.  well, it became louder anyway.  but even if i turn up the volume of the receiver when using digital inputs, the analog input seemed to be clearer.  can the other guys confirm?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:04 AM
Muttley,

We have a few units at ArchAudio but they are for those who reserved earlier.  You may pick-up your unit on Friday or Saturday next week.



sir vd, pwede ba sa alabang ko pick-up.  kung pwede i -arrange dun san at wat time?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:57 AM
I was able to get this and tested it last saturday evening with me the only observer at that time :-\ :-\ :-\Sayang! I can't attend to akyat's listening session (bro, thanks for the offer).

I did two things when the test performed, first i connect the preamp into receiver's CD Input and my initial observation put me into shock  :o :o :o it is indeed true that this unit will give you details. As instructed by sir mickey, i then set the volume (WS Preamp) into max and gradually adjusting the volume of the reciever, i noticed that there is a distorted sound (parang gasgas) as you further increase the volume. So i decided to set WS preamp's volume into 12o'clock position which gives me a more comfortable listening.

Second, i remove the jumper wire of the receiver and connect the preamp into Amp Input. For me the result is promising and very impressive :D :D :DFrom low to high volume the details is consistently noticable "Clear as clearasil" as per Sir ArnoldC ;) ;) ;)I don't believe this ad on into your set-up will differ your belief (hehehe).

Anyone verified the first test i performed if you encounter the same result?

Since the Amp Input connection gives me a better result, i preferred to use this setup and that's why i'm thinking of building a selector switch. This will be used for switching between HK Receiver's built-in preamp and WS Preamp.

Sir V_D/Sir ArnoldC/Sir Mickey,

Is it possible to buy from you the gold plated rca jack?

TO WIREDSTATE TEAM, MABUHAY!!! All i can say is WS Preamp is a must!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:12 AM
Anyone verified the first test i performed if you encounter the same result?

hi s2kov, yes we encountered the same result.  some of us think the distorted sound comes from the CD input of the receiver maxing out due to the increased signal.  i'm not sure but this probably has something to do with the maximum input sensitivity specs of the amp...  mga sensei, help?!  the safest volume level we found was at 12'oclock.  we tried the CD-in on 3 different amps: the HK, marantz and sansui.  the sansui can handle the max volume of the WS preamp without distorting.  the HK about 1'oclock and the marantz about 2'oclock.

this is also source-dependent as sir mickey explained to us.  if you are playing a CD with already strong signal, chances are a high input gain resulting from max vol level on the preamp will max out the CD-in of the receiver.  but when you are playing say a Chesky CD which has a lower signal level, you can probably set the WS preamp vol to max without distorting your amp.

safest bet is still 12'oclock unless your amp has unusually high tolerance.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:14 AM
sir vd, pwede ba sa alabang ko pick-up.  kung pwede i -arrange dun san at wat time?

sorry, but to simplify the tracking and our own operations, we are centralizing the pick-up at one point only....i hope you understand, but managing the distribution for us has been a challenge... :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:30 AM
Thanks akyat, hhmmm..... ::) ::) ::) different brands has different dynamic range.....


hi s2kov, yes we encountered the same result.  some of us think the distorted sound comes from the CD input of the receiver maxing out due to the increased signal.  i'm not sure but this probably has something to do with the maximum input sensitivity specs of the amp...  mga sensei, help?!  the safest volume level we found was at 12'oclock.  we tried the CD-in on 3 different amps: the HK, marantz and sansui.  the sansui can handle the max volume of the WS preamp without distorting.  the HK about 1'oclock and the marantz about 2'oclock.

this is also source-dependent as sir mickey explained to us.  if you are playing a CD with already strong signal, chances are a high input gain resulting from max vol level on the preamp will max out the CD-in of the receiver.  but when you are playing say a Chesky CD which has a lower signal level, you can probably set the WS preamp vol to max without distorting your amp.

safest bet is still 12'oclock unless your amp has unusually high tolerance.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 01, 2003 at 12:15 PM
akyat,

Very nice pix sir.... ganda ng setup mo dami speaker just like in a showroom... ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 01, 2003 at 12:20 PM
s2kov,

Sir if you connect thru the CD IN better FIX the volume level of the preamp..just like Akyat mention..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 01:15 PM
PLEASE READ IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:

Due to unexpected demand, the manufacturer of our chassis has ran-out of the regular chassis and can only supply a slightly thicker chassis.

We will honor the same price (p8,250) for the folks below even though some of them may get units with the thicker chassis.

31. audionewbie/geko (for uncle) - pickup at ArchAudio
32. titan
33. rsm2a3 (singapore)
34. HotonE
35. hkfoam (ship to bukidnon)
36. Muttley (Dan) - from Arch Audio
37. ZEPHYR
38. botching (for saudi)

However, for new orders beginning today (#39 and onwards), they will now be at a new price (p9,150) to take into account higher cost of chassis, NOS tubes, other parts and distribution charges.

Please note:
1) All Metro-Manila buyers should get their units from Architectural Audio
2) All provincial and international buyers will have their units shipped directly by Wiredstate

Thank you so much for your support.

the Wiredstate team.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 06:45 PM
Shown below is the original announcement dated September 14 at wiredstate.com on the pricing for the preamp.  The p8,250 was a very special introductory price only for the first 10 units.

As you know, we maintained the same price up to 38 units all with NOS tubes.

Much as we would want to please everybody, we are so sorry that we have to increase it to p9,150, which is still below the amount we had planned before ($200).  Note the new price is only $165 or 10% higher than the special $150.

Even at $165, expect this to last only this December.  We may go to the regular price of $200 after selling about 15-20 units.

Thanks so much for your understanding...

Quote

(dated September 14)

Reserve your Wiredstate Tube Preamp (WTP):

Introductory price of $150 only (30-45 days delivery, assembled units only)
for first 10 units only

Regular local price at $200-300
for next 10 units

Export regular price: $300-400

Hurry!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 06:52 PM
i will honor this commitment.  
send me a text message 0917-621-5056 to confirm your interest asap please.


hehehe...

let me correct that then:

all those present in superman's den will be extended that offer!

 ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 01, 2003 at 06:55 PM
daig talaga ng maagap ang masikap  :) it's a good thing i was able to order earlier  :)

i do understand though that this price increase is not a marketing tool because of the success of the amp, but rather a simple lesson in supply and demand...

even so - it would be very hard if not impossible to get another preamp/black box that would have the same sonic effect on your music using your existing gear  ;D

- iceman90a po WS preamp user  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 01, 2003 at 06:58 PM
For the price, it's still panalo ;D ;D ;DYou guys have try this and judge for yourself ;) ;) ;)

Sir V_D,

I want to build the selector switch for AVR's Preamp and WS Preamp. I like the quality of RCA jacks provided on WS Preamp, can you sell 6 pieces for me?

Thanks.... :D :D :D


Shown below is the original announcement dated September 14 at wiredstate.com on the pricing for the preamp.  The p8,250 was a very special introductory price only for the first 10 units.

As you know, we maintained the same price up to 38 units all with NOS tubes.

Much as we would want to please everybody, we are so sorry that we have to increase it to p9,150, which is still below the amount we had planned before ($200).  Note the new price is only $165 or 10% higher than the special $150.

Even at $165, expect this to last only this December.  We may go to the regular price of $200 after selling about 15-20 units.

Thanks so much for your understanding...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 07:02 PM
daig talaga ng maagap ang masikap  :) it's a good thing i was able to order earlier  :)

i do understand though that this price increase is not a marketing tool because of the success of the amp, but rather a simple lesson in supply and demand...

even so - it would be very hard if not impossible to get another preamp/black box that would have the same sonic effect on your music using your existing gear  ;D

- iceman90a po WS preamp user  ;D

well, as you know we wanted to have this special price for only the first 10 units...38 na ngayon, hindi pa rin namin tinaasan.

- our NOS tubes supply are almost depleted and replacement costs are higher.  in fact, after a few more units, we may no longer be supplying NOS tubes but the russian or chinese tubes...

- chassis is more expensive

- other parts costing higher

- we will incur additional distribution costs

so, congratulations to the 38!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 01, 2003 at 07:05 PM
Hehehe!!!Kaya pala ang saya-saya ko nung weekend.... :D :D :D



so, congratulations to the 38!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 07:10 PM
Special announcement:

The wiredstate preamp will soon have a new chassis, a new name, silkscreened labels, and a new price...

Distribution will start in two weeks, exclusively at Architectural Audio.

No reservations required.  Orders will be served on a first come first served basis.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: nels76 on Dec 01, 2003 at 08:41 PM
i will honor this commitment.  
send me a text message 0917-621-5056 to confirm your interest asap please.

Sir VD,

That's good news. Actually, I was one of the "usis" there at Superman's place last Nov. 22.

I was impressed with the WS Pre-Amp. And was even more impressed when we had another session at akyat's place last Nov. 29. Trying different connection until we concluded that the WS P.A. was indeed making wonders.

Now, I am interested. Unfortunately, this month I am also prioritizing to have a DVD 21. If budget permits, I will be getting one WS Pre-amp before the year ends.

Now, my question, and may also be the question by the "usis" at Superman's Place, can we still get the unit at the price of 8k+ even though you have said in earlier posts that price will be climbing to 9k+ especially after the 38th buyer?

Cheers Pinoydiophiles.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: nels76 on Dec 01, 2003 at 08:48 PM
the setup: MS & MA speakers
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws3.jpg)

the master: sir mickey!
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws1.jpg)

the fans: the rowdy MA-MS owners
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws2.jpg)


Thanks Akyat for hosting the EB.
Conclusions and Conclusions we had. Some of the questions answered.

Cheers "kwela" members of PinoyDVD:

Hans Adrianne
James16
AkyatBundok
J_albert22
Narayan
sebman

"Sound matters most"


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 09:09 PM

Now, my question, and may also be the question by the "usis" at Superman's Place, can we still get the unit at the price of 8k+ even though you have said in earlier posts that price will be climbing to 9k+ especially after the 38th buyer?

Cheers Pinoydiophiles.

i will honor my promise but i need confirmation asap, no later than tomorrow.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: nels76 on Dec 01, 2003 at 09:16 PM
Sir VD,

Ok. I'll just text you.

Thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: symon on Dec 01, 2003 at 09:53 PM
Sir, VD,

Sent you SMS. thanks.

Symon/Lester
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:26 PM

DELIVERY STATUS:

2 units ready for pick-up from ArchAudio:
24. June Montemayor
25. jon agner

26. rubhino2 (from mickey, QC)
29. Gabriel -ship to Cebu by mickey
30. RU9 -ship to Zambo by mickey

next batch:
31. audionewbie/geko (for uncle)
32. titan - from ArchAudio
33. rsm2a3 (singapore)
34 HotonE - from ArchAudio
35. hkfoam (ship to bukidnon)
36. Muttley (Dan) - from Arch Audio
37. ZEPHYR - from ArchAudio
38. botching (for saudi)

Units #39 and down will be at P9,150 cash only.



Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:38 PM
Sir, VD,

Sent you SMS. thanks.

Symon/Lester

saan ka dito?

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/07judges.JPG)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Mickey on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:42 PM
Akyatbundok,

To avoid clipping of the signal going into the CD in, you can turn the volume control of the preamp to 1030 assuming 6'olock is zero volume. The gain is 1 at 1030.

Mickey
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:48 PM
Sir Mickey,

What is the maximum gain of WS Preamp? Will there be any difference on sound quality between CD In and Amp In?

Thanks.... :) :) :)


Akyatbundok,

To avoid clipping of the signal going into the CD in, you can turn the volume control of the preamp to 1030 assuming 6'olock is zero volume. The gain is 1 at 1030.

Mickey
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:48 PM
Akyatbundok,

To avoid clipping of the signal going into the CD in, you can turn the volume control of the preamp to 1030 assuming 6'olock is zero volume. The gain is 1 at 1030.

Mickey

sir mickey, sir vintage_dog...

hi!... 8)

will this be also the ideal setting for, let's say the TB2A3 SET amp with volume control???...set the pre-amp at 12 o'clock then "timpla" with the use of the TB2A3's volume control or set the volume control of the TB2A3 to max then "timpla" with the pre-amp volume control??? which is better??? thanks! 8)

superman 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: symon on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:56 PM
saan ka dito?

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/07judges.JPG)

I was in the second set of judges (2nd pic, below that one).
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:56 PM
sir mickey, sir vintage_dog...

hi!... 8)

will this be also the ideal setting for, let's say the TB2A3 SET amp with volume control???...set the pre-amp at 12 o'clock then "timpla" with the use of the TB2A3's volume control or set the volume control of the TB2A3 to max then "timpla" with the pre-amp volume control??? which is better??? thanks! 8)

superman 8)

for the JE2a3 with volume control, set this to max and control volume via the preamp
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Mickey on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:04 PM
S2kov,

I haven't really compared it so its hard to say which is better. The gain of the preamp is 20db.

Mickey
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:04 PM
for the JE2a3 with volume control, set this to max and control volume via the preamp


thanks!...would it make a difference if i set the pre-amp volume to 12 o'clock then use the volume control of the 2A3??? just a thought...by the way, symon (lester) is in the 2nd picture...he arrived a little late kaya he was not part of the 1st one...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:09 PM
okay.  completo na yata. did i miss anyone?

superman - done
j_albert - on order
akyatbundok - on order
hans - done
james16 - on order
nels76 - on order
yukon - done
julsp168 - done
symon - on order


judges:

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/07judges.JPG)

L-R (standing) - superdad, superman, j_albert, akyatbundok, hans , james16, nels76
seated - yukon, julsp168

naka alis agad si jvm eh

second shot of judges

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/06judges%202.JPG)

the new guy in the middle is symon




Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:14 PM
Thanks sir.... :D :D :DTheoretically speaking sir, does it normal to have and use double preamp stage?

S2kov,

I haven't really compared it so its hard to say which is better. The gain of the preamp is 20db.

Mickey
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:28 PM
Quote
6pm yesterday (Saturday) and I only had 1 hour left from WOW Philippines (Intramuros) to Arch Audio. Had to beat time and traffic going to New World Hotel last night to get my reserved WS PreAmp. Muntik-muntikan na kaming mabangga kamamadali ko. whew...

As always, Nico and Epoy still have their never ending courteousness to clients. With all honesty (kaiyak naman to), more power sa inyo Arch Audio!!!

I immediately fired-up the preamp when we got home and oooohhhhhhhhh!!!

My commander-in-chief right there and then commented, "wow, gumanda ah!". Prerogatively, if it's a comment from a female - you do have to take note... scientifically, they've got better hearing than us guys. Reason why they hear a lot of things in the night that we guys don't - kaya sinasabi ng mga lalake sa pelikula... "ano ka ba... wala naman e, tulog ka na", yon pala may kumakaskas nga sa pintuan. Now it's scary... OT tuloy.

Well, am spending the whole day today listening (and breaking in) my preamp - it's only the 17th hour pero my golly wow!, you can almost spell out every single word from the vocalists - sa sobrang detalye - yap, no joke on this one. Highs, Mids, and Lows were like cranked up when using this preamp... no not the volume, i mean the focus... as I have mentioned on one of the X10d thread - "it propagates into your inner senses". So much detail you won't get using just your tube amps or receivers.

Tried Trio Esperanca, Nat King Cole, Trio Los Panchos, Laura Fygi, Peter Cetera, APO Hiking, Lodwick, Kenny G., Audiophile Reference 1, Audiophile Test CD 2002, Rod Stewart, Buble, Jose Feliciano, Bob Marley, Perez Prado, Jungle Bells, Jacintha's Here's to Ben, Milli Vanilli, Information Society, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Soul Rose, Snow Rose, Anna Caram, Frank Sinatra, Anne Murray, Guitarra Vol.1, Starbucks, Enoch Light, Bocelli, etc. etc... - virtually all genre's i have, yes pati Max Surban... ayaw paawat ng WS Preamp, it's just not tiring, so the list goes on.  

By the way, I don't know if it's me trying (hard) to really hear the difference or talagang nakahain lang sa yo ang music nang parang nahimay na... you will notice this on any of your CDs that's got a track where all instruments tend to blend together because they are being played simultaneously - - dito sa preamp, even if they are altogether being played, you will still hear every instrument's sound - not to forget, it tames your harsh music.

Take it from those who have reviewed this Preamp earlier, lalo na sa mga nagma-may-ari na ngayon - the WS Preamp squeezes out so much juice from your player.... an Audio Phenomenon indeed!

brothers (may mga sisters ba dyan?), I am well aware that most of us in this thread are also posting sa kabilang forum/site but this one's for those who have not wandered away - heheh - pandagdag ko sa mga feedback nyo... I posted this one originally sa kabilang site.  ;D ;D ;D

it's here: http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1114&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135

peace...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:29 PM
Thanks sir.... :D :D :DTheoretically speaking sir, does it normal to have and use double preamp stage?

ideally, you only need one preamp.  some integrated amps however have passive preamps so it is okay to have them in series.  for others (like receivers without amp in), you need to experiment, just like what was done in the last 2 sessions.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:42 PM
Thank you very much sir.... 8) 8) 8) I will also try sir mickey's instruction and observe the difference....


ideally, you only need one preamp.  some integrated amps however have passive preamps so it is okay to have them in series.  for others (like receivers without amp in), you need to experiment, just like what was done in the last 2 sessions.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Dec 02, 2003 at 07:21 AM
salamat kay akyatbundok last sat... maraming tanong na naresolve tungkol sa paggamit ng preamp sa HK/MA...

di hamak na gumanda at lumambing combo nila...  

nung di pa nakakabit, ayos na ang imaging at soundstage, pero nung kinabit yung preamp sa cd-in (note: dapat 12 o clock ang volume ng WS preamp) lao lumapit yung singer at tipong nakayakap at linalambing/landi ka saboses nya... very engaging... ;D

cgurado if budget permits.... magiging HK/MA/WS(soon) All The Way!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 02, 2003 at 08:04 AM
okay.  completo na yata. did i miss anyone?

superman - done
j_albert - on order
akyatbundok - on order
hans - done
james16 - on order
nels76 - on order
yukon - done
julsp168 - done
symon - on order

among those present that night Sir, si jvm na lang ang wala sa listahan nyo...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 02, 2003 at 09:32 AM
6 new orders (from the guys at superman's den) received under the original agreement.

2 new orders with new chassis confirmed

2 more subject to confirmation...

that's 10 plus 8 pa or 18 total!  

hindi na matutulog yung technician namin!  :)

 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 02, 2003 at 09:46 AM
Sir Mickey,

Thanks for the info will try that later...


sir Francis,

You have PM...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 02, 2003 at 10:05 AM
Sir Francis,

Have inform my cousin on the price last night... hope i can get feedback from him today..

Thanks..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jerix on Dec 02, 2003 at 01:27 PM
bros,

is this compatible with all brands and models of receivers? what are the technical requirements that the receiver must have to enjoy maximum benefits from the preamp? m using the pioneer vsx-d811ss pwede kaya ITo mga bros?-- thnks


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 02, 2003 at 01:42 PM
bros,

is this compatible with all brands and models of receivers? what are the technical requirements that the receiver must have to enjoy maximum benefits from the preamp? m using the pioneer vsx-d811ss pwede kaya ITo mga bros?-- thnks

pre - it must have a CD or Aux or Amp-in via RCA, otherwise you won't be able to connect it

kung bagay - your own ears will have to decide  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 02, 2003 at 01:44 PM
pwede sa lahat na try na namin with different amp(sansui,FASE,kenwood, maranzt,Harman kardon)ok naman  try mo this connection CD----WS preamp----CD in of your reciever.....tapos set to 12'oclock volume nang preamp .......that it enjoy listening na ;D ;D mabuhay wiredstate team
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 02, 2003 at 01:51 PM
Initially, they require that the receiver must have the Amp Input but they did some test as to whether they can use the CD In and it seems that it works fine and have a good result.

You won't regret in getting this and it will surely improve your system. :D :D :D

Get it now! WS Preamp is now a must!!! 8) 8) 8)
Title: teaser...
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 02, 2003 at 02:08 PM
[size=24]a piano in 'tune'[/size]

(http://www.ptg.org/museum/Images/steinway.jpg)
Title: teaser...
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 02, 2003 at 02:11 PM
[size=24]violins in 'tune'[/size]



(http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/instmnts/violin-1.jpg)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 02, 2003 at 02:12 PM
Akyatbundok,

To avoid clipping of the signal going into the CD in, you can turn the volume control of the preamp to 1030 assuming 6'olock is zero volume. The gain is 1 at 1030.

Mickey

mickey, will do.... thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Dec 02, 2003 at 02:14 PM
6 new orders (from the guys at superman's den) received under the original agreement.

2 new orders with new chassis confirmed

2 more subject to confirmation...

that's 10 plus 8 pa or 18 total!  

hindi na matutulog yung technician namin!  :)

 8)

Sir vd,

The success of WS preamp is measured by the eyebags of your technicians! ;D

Again, thanks for coming up with a preamp project like this. i havent enjoyed music that much till the day i got my ws preamp. It matches well with my TB2a3.

Congrats!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 02, 2003 at 02:17 PM
uh oh... ano na naman kaya ang ilalabas ng Wiredstate???

patay  ???
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Dec 02, 2003 at 02:28 PM
ws piano and ws violin yan bro. kailangan mo lang ng talent to operate them. ;D

hulaan ko.................WS Preamp in 'tune' ang susunod. ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 02, 2003 at 02:34 PM
ws piano and ws violin yan bro. kailangan mo lang ng talent to operate them. ;D

hulaan ko.................WS Preamp in 'tune' ang susunod. ;)

sana nga piano at violin, di ako marunong gumamit nun pareho - di ko pag iisipan bilhin  ;D

safe ako!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 02, 2003 at 02:45 PM
TEASERS!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 02, 2003 at 02:46 PM
[size=24]musicians in 'tune'[/size]

(http://www.gamelanpacifica.org/orchestra.gif)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 02, 2003 at 02:58 PM
[size=24]a system in 'tune'[/size]


(http://www.kidsmusicstage.com/images/1originals.jpg)
Title: teaser...
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 02, 2003 at 04:06 PM
[size=24]singers in 'tune'[/size]

(http://www.cinu.org.mx/prensa/fotos/pavarotti.jpg)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jerix on Dec 02, 2003 at 04:30 PM
pwede sa lahat na try na namin with different amp(sansui,FASE,kenwood, maranzt,Harman kardon)ok naman  try mo this connection CD----WS preamp----CD in of your reciever.....tapos set to 12'oclock volume nang preamp .......that it enjoy listening na ;D ;D mabuhay wiredstate team

bro thnx for the info--bro iceman thnx too--  ;D mukhang away na naman kami ni esmi sa iniisip ko--  :'(
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jerix on Dec 02, 2003 at 04:35 PM
Sir vd,


Again, thanks for coming up with a preamp project like this. i havent enjoyed music that much till the day i got my ws preamp. It matches well with my TB2a3.

Congrats!

josko!! ang lakas ng pressure ng mga ganitong comments--  :'(

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 02, 2003 at 10:29 PM
among those present that night Sir, si jvm na lang ang wala sa listahan nyo...

pare,

JVM just finalized his order this afternoon...everyone accounted for... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 02, 2003 at 10:33 PM
uh oh... ano na naman kaya ang ilalabas ng Wiredstate???

patay  ???

SECRET!  ;D
Title: the curse of Superman's tower
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 03, 2003 at 05:30 AM
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/06judges%202.JPG)

and one by one - all who were present on that day succumbed to the dreaded SARS disease....
Title: Re:the curse of Superman's tower
Post by: nels76 on Dec 03, 2003 at 06:25 AM

and one by one - all who were present on that day succumbed to the dreaded SARS disease....


Indeed, the SARS Disease, Specifically the Wired State  Variant is highly infectious. Spreading like wild fire.  
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 03, 2003 at 07:17 AM

50 folks had an early Christmas present for themselves ... :D

...and their days will never sound the same again....


thanks guys for your support for our preamp!

                    from the Wiredstate DIY team...
Title: Re:the curse of Superman's tower
Post by: yukon on Dec 03, 2003 at 07:42 AM
(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/06judges%202.JPG)

and one by one - all who were present on that day succumbed to the dreaded SARS disease....


yang naka-thumbs up - - - highly infectious ang SARS nyan, ...spreads like wildfire!... huwag kayong maglalapit dyan.  heheh,  ;D ;D ;D it starts by listening to his setup, then sending him PMs, text messages, tapos ayon na!... SARS attack na!  :o :o :o heheh Yahooooo! ito na yata ang pinaka-musical kong December!  ;D ;D ;D,

Seriously guys (and gals?), if Superman hosts a listening session - do yourself a favor, makisiksik na kayo!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 03, 2003 at 07:48 AM
Buti nalang hindi ako puwede nung listening session! ahahahah....  ;D  ;D  ;D

Ano kaya regalo ko sa sarili ko ngayong pasko?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sebman on Dec 03, 2003 at 08:02 AM
Buti nalang hindi ako puwede nung listening session! ahahahah....  ;D  ;D  ;D

Ano kaya regalo ko sa sarili ko ngayong pasko?

pre B4 n preamp na yan...  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 03, 2003 at 08:44 AM
mmmhhh look like wiredstate team is cooking something again.... naku po.. :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 03, 2003 at 08:56 AM
Sabi nga ng iba "KAPAG TAHIMIK MAY NILULUTO" hehehe.... ;D ;D ;D


mmmhhh look like wiredstate team is cooking something again.... naku po.. :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 03, 2003 at 08:58 AM
Slayer,

Pre its a must audition must have for christmas pre... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: lance on Dec 03, 2003 at 09:08 AM
I have an integrated amplifier, it has no "amp in". It has a connection for equalizer (left & right - in & out). I have no equalizer, when my setup is playing and I turn the equalizer setting to on position there is no sound and when I turn it off there is sound again. I guess when the equalizer setting is on, the connection of preamp and main amp of my integrated is cut to put the equalizer in between? So is it possible to turn on the equalizer setting, use the equalizer out of my integrated to connect a preamp?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 03, 2003 at 09:27 AM
I have an integrated amplifier, it has no "amp in". It has a connection for equalizer (left & right - in & out). I have no equalizer, when my setup is playing and I turn the equalizer setting to on position there is no sound and when I turn it off there is sound again. I guess when the equalizer setting is on, the connection of preamp and main amp of my integrated is cut to put the equalizer in between? So is it possible to turn on the equalizer setting, use the equalizer out of my integrated to connect a preamp?

the equalizer in/out is similar to a tape in/out.  you can experiment putting the preamp in between with volume (of the preamp) set at about 10:30-11:00 oclock...best way is to experiment... 8)
 
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: lance on Dec 03, 2003 at 09:51 AM
the equalizer in/out is similar to a tape in/out.  you can experiment putting the preamp in between with volume (of the preamp) set at about 10:30-11:00 oclock...best way is to experiment... 8)
 

Thanks.....medyo napapaisip kasi ako about WS Preamp eh kaya lang ang naka schedule ko na bilhin this holiday ay DVD player. Sa review nila dito I guess it can improved the sound of my system. Sayang kung hindi lang nagluluko yung cd player ko magka presyo halos ng WS Preamp ang bibilhin kong player. ??? Sana hindi masyadong tumaas ang presyo ng preamp nyo next year. Medyo Yan na yata ang path na gusto kong lakaran eh. Yun nga lang matatagalan pa ng konti kasi mahirap magpa approved kay misis eh. :)

GUsto ko nga pong mag experiment kaya lang wala akong mahihiraman ng preamp para ma i try. Kung meron sanang magmamagandang loob na i try sa bahay namin para marinig ng misis ko. Mas madaling i convinced si misis pag natuwa yon eh. Pero ok lang i'll just follow this thread na lang muna. :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 03, 2003 at 10:03 AM
Sebman & Hans,

Ahehehe... pinag-iisipan pa... hirap ng maraming hobby.  MAGASTOS!! Dami kong gusto la namang pera! ahehehe...  ;D ;D  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Dec 03, 2003 at 10:11 AM
... hirap ng maraming hobby.  MAGASTOS!! Dami kong gusto la namang pera! ahehehe...  ;D ;D  ;D

I can relate :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 03, 2003 at 10:14 AM
Bruce,

kamusta ws preamp mo? Review naman!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Dec 03, 2003 at 10:29 AM
simply put...the WS preamp did wonders on my NADC350 amp...it has a taste of tube sound..while still retaining the power to push my 87db Mission speakers..hell, it could even drive the Wharfedales 8.3 with ease...tho wala naman talaga influence yung preamp on the driving the speakers...it's more concerned on the sound..

-the power of my SS amp is still retained, but with an added warmth and detail on the music...a big big difference

-let's say pag naka-direct NAD set-up, the sound feels like it's hidden behind a screened wall, pero with the WS preamp attached...no more walls! mids were alot better! the highs were clearer and the bass more rounded.

-anu pa kaya pag naka all-tube gear na..:) tempting, tempting, tempting :)

so get out and rush to Arch Audio na!
you can drop by my place tonight if you want..i'll give you a demo :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 03, 2003 at 10:52 AM
pre tryaudio,

all this talk of the ws being so wonderful is driving me crazy :o :o :o. parang hindi ma completo christmas ko if i dont get one myself, hehehe. patienceeeee, patienceeeeee *sigh*
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 03, 2003 at 10:56 AM

-anu pa kaya pag naka all-tube gear na..:) tempting, tempting, tempting :)

so get out and rush to Arch Audio na!

btw, all stocks at ArchAudio are reserved.  due to high demand, new stocks will only be available in about 2 weeks pa...

also, for those interested in an all-tube system... watch-out for the announcement on wiredstate's valentine offering  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 03, 2003 at 11:03 AM
Kung meron sanang magmamagandang loob na i try sa bahay namin para marinig ng misis ko. :)


palagay ko mahirapan ka makakuha nang volunteer to part with their preamp para i-try mo  :)  sabi nga nang iba..." over my dead body" daw  ;D

pero, puede mong dalhin yung amp mo sa mga may preamp to try it out at their place...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 03, 2003 at 11:04 AM
haaayyy...  buti na lang at valentines pa, makaka pag pahinga muna sa gastos  :)

Sir anuman yun order ako isa!

joke lang baka di na ako makauwi  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 03, 2003 at 11:15 AM
At least, may early announcement!!! Kung anuman yun, we need to prepare for it now.... ;D ;D ;D



also, for those interested in an all-tube system... watch-out for the announcement on wiredstate's valentine offering  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Dec 03, 2003 at 11:39 AM
cousin skeeter,

dude..it will haunt you forever..PM na VD where you can get one.. :)

Sir Vintage,
I have a feeling "ma-inlove" ako this valentines :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Dec 03, 2003 at 11:54 AM
Upon hearing it again at the listening session at Akyat's place (it's great listening with all the guys there), I think I'm really missing something from my music without this preamp.

Although I'm already in the order list, I still want to hear it hooked up with my set-up to be sure. And thankfully we have a very generous friend here, Iceman, who will lend me his, because I'm fortunate to be living near his place. I can't wait to hear it on my set.

I'm even thinking of selling my bronze center to have the fund for this. Because I believe I will be spending more time for 2-ch music listening when I have it. So the center will be used less often. Anyway I still have my DTX center.
And hopefully, the preamp will bring about an improvement that will impress even my wife so that it will be easier to get approval for future upgrades. ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 03, 2003 at 11:59 AM
And thankfully we have a very generous friend here, Iceman, who will lend me his, because I'm fortunate to be living near his place. I can't wait to hear it on my set.

SSSSSSHHHHHH!!! secret yun, kasi ako rin yung nagsabi ng over my dead body  ;D pero sige ok lang, eka nga eh pay it forward...

I'm even thinking of selling my bronze center to have the fund for this. Because I believe I will be spending more time for 2-ch music listening when I have it. So the center will be used less often. Anyway I still have my DTX center.
And hopefully, the preamp will bring about an improvement that will impress even my wife so that it will be easier to get approval for future upgrades. ;D

kaya nga ako wharfedale wh-2 na lang ang center  ;D nadidinig ko naman eh  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Dec 03, 2003 at 12:04 PM
SSSSSSHHHHHH!!! secret yun, kasi ako rin yung nagsabi ng over my dead body  ;D pero sige ok lang, eka nga eh pay it forward...kaya nga ako wharfedale wh-2 na lang ang center  ;D nadidinig ko naman eh  ;)

Guys,

Secret lang namin ni Iceman yon ha. Magakapit bahay kasi kami, kaya amin lang yon ;D

Kunwari di niyo na lang nabasa ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 03, 2003 at 12:04 PM
Chief VD,

What do you suggest? Wait till the Valentines surprise o get the preamp now? Ahehehe....  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 03, 2003 at 12:05 PM
cousin skeeter,

dude..it will haunt you forever..PM na VD where you can get one.. :)

Sir Vintage,
I have a feeling "ma-inlove" ako this valentines :)

dont worry, will be getting one siguro next year. have to complete my speakers first ksi this christmas holiday sigurado well be having a movie watching marathon at home so having surround speakers is the priority now :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: edboy7 on Dec 03, 2003 at 12:15 PM
jvm,
   
 sent u again a pm thanks... :D
 
 VALENTINE OFFER....hmmmmm.....enough time to save ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 03, 2003 at 12:38 PM
Chief VD,

What do you suggest? Wait till the Valentines surprise o get the preamp now? Ahehehe....  ;D

the valentine special is intended to partner with the preamp, BUT can also be a standalone.  it will NOT be a substitute for the preamp... sorry, i can't tell you more at this point what it will be
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 03, 2003 at 01:06 PM
Hehehe.... ;D ;D ;DMukhang kelangan talaga paghandaan yan.... 8) 8) 8)


the valentine special is intended to partner with the preamp, BUT can also be a standalone.  it will NOT be a substitute for the preamp... sorry, i can't tell you more at this point what it will be
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: lance on Dec 03, 2003 at 01:40 PM
HELLO PEEPS...May taga Antipolo ba dito na may WS  :)preamp?.....Baka po pwedeng ma try sa bahay namin para marinig ni misis....Baka lang naman pwede ;D Naiintriga talaga ako dyan eh. saka baka iba ang epekto sa system.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 03, 2003 at 06:22 PM
order now or wait... order now or wait... order now or wait... WAAAAHHH!!!   ;D  ???
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 03, 2003 at 11:29 PM
the valentine special is intended to partner with the preamp, BUT can also be a standalone.  it will NOT be a substitute for the preamp... sorry, i can't tell you more at this point what it will be

hi sir V_D!

i think i know this already...pero i'll keep quiet muna...will wait 'til V_D (valentine's day)...i'm sure it'll be a lovelier valentine's day for me...thanks!

hi guys!

thanks for the complements!...sorry i got to answer only now...it's been a very hectic week...feel free to send me a text if you wanna listen to the WS tube preamp and the 2A3 paired with the S2...

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kimpao on Dec 03, 2003 at 11:43 PM
order now or wait... order now or wait... order now or wait... WAAAAHHH!!!   ;D  ???

ay sus ginoo! bili na slayer! para mahiram ko rin. ahehehehe!!!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 03, 2003 at 11:46 PM
order now or wait... order now or wait... order now or wait... WAAAAHHH!!!   ;D  ???

order na!...you're missing half of your life, hehehehe!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Dec 04, 2003 at 08:36 AM
i think i know this already...pero i'll keep quiet muna...
no, you have no idea what it is... what will hit you  :P you're welcome to speculate  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 04, 2003 at 09:50 AM
Valentine day special!!! ok yan.... another great project from wiredstate team... galing talaga mga sir..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 04, 2003 at 10:10 AM
bago naman di pa nga nakukuha yong isa may bago na sir hinay hinay lang..............joke joke ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rpm on Dec 04, 2003 at 10:45 AM
Can I use the WS pre-amp for a Rotel 971 MK2 with no pre-in.  If yes, how? Thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 04, 2003 at 10:46 AM
J_albert,

Kaka heal lang ng SARS attack... FEB meron naman... wag sana...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 04, 2003 at 11:05 AM
Can I use the WS pre-amp for a Rotel 971 MK2 with no pre-in.  If yes, how? Thanks.

YES cd out (rotel) connect mo sa input nang WS preamp then set to 12'oclock volume then connect to cd input of your AVR or AMP ...that its
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 04, 2003 at 11:08 AM
rpm,


Make it 10:30 instead of 12o clock... sa level ng preamp..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Dec 04, 2003 at 11:22 AM
J_albert,

Kaka heal lang ng SARS attack... FEB meron naman... wag sana...

Magkaka-relapse na naman SARS mo niyan ;D.
Ako I'm under attack pa.  :P
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rpm on Dec 04, 2003 at 12:38 PM
Thanks Hans Adriane and J_albert22, pero hindi ba dapat WS pre-amp out to CD in ng Rotel integrated , tapos yung CDP ko to auxiliary in na lang.  
Do you have any experience with the WS pre-amp and rotel int. combo.  Thanks again.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 04, 2003 at 12:44 PM
rpm,

Rotel malapit na hehehe.. but we have tried WS preamp with the following AVr and Power Amp.. HK2550/3550/5500, Marantz 7300, Fase integrated, 2A3, Sansui integrated, Kenwood power amp, NAD integrated & Musical Fidelity power amp. ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 04, 2003 at 01:18 PM
Thanks Hans Adriane and J_albert22, pero hindi ba dapat WS pre-amp out to CD in ng Rotel integrated , tapos yung CDP ko to auxiliary in na lang.  
Do you have any experience with the WS pre-amp and rotel int. combo.  Thanks again.

hi,

your CD player has to pass through the pre-amp else, you wont hear the benefit of having the pre-amp in your system  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 04, 2003 at 02:45 PM
rpm,

Rotel malapit na hehehe.. but we have tried WS preamp with the following AVr and Power Amp.. HK2550/3550/5500, Marantz 7300, Fase integrated, 2A3, Sansui integrated, Kenwood power amp, NAD integrated & Musical Fidelity power amp. ;D ;D

may alam ako na may preamp na WS na nakakabit sa rotel amp  :oganda cguro sir sched na natin listening session ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: marty_e on Dec 04, 2003 at 02:48 PM
I think that the rotel 971 is the int. amp not the player. Thus, the conection goes from -->CDP out to WS in -->WS out to amplifier CDP in (Rotel) with WS pre gain set at 10:30 as others have suggested.  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kimpOy on Dec 04, 2003 at 04:06 PM
guys,
would appreciate sana if you could connect the WS into a Yammy Receiver+B2

thanks a bunch
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 04, 2003 at 04:26 PM
guys,
would appreciate sana if you could connect the WS into a Yammy Receiver+B2

thanks a bunch

sure - pahiram ng yamaha na receiver  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 04, 2003 at 05:10 PM
may alam ako na may preamp na WS na nakakabit sa rotel amp  :oganda cguro sir sched na natin listening session ;D ;D

ay naku, sinabi mo... ultimate setup na ngayon yan kaibigan natin... WS tube preamp + high-end Rotel power amp.  sinamahan ko siya pickupin yun, grabe ang laki ng 1.2kVA toroidal transformer sa loob.  must-hear yun pre pag na break-in na ang speakers niya.  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Digities on Dec 04, 2003 at 05:39 PM
anong model ng rotel na yan ? thanks  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Dec 04, 2003 at 05:55 PM
ay naku, sinabi mo... ultimate setup na ngayon yan kaibigan natin... WS tube preamp + high-end Rotel power amp.  sinamahan ko siya pickupin yun, grabe ang laki ng 1.2kVA toroidal transformer sa loob.  must-hear yun pre pag na break-in na ang speakers niya.  ;D  ;D

tama, dapat ma-sked na listening session dun. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 04, 2003 at 06:54 PM
anong model ng rotel na yan ? thanks  :D

RB1080 bro... yikes buking na, sori po.  akalain niyo ba naman mag hybrid separates all the way.

idol ko yan, kaya gagayahin ko.  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kimpOy on Dec 04, 2003 at 11:21 PM
sure - pahiram ng yamaha na receiver  ;D

sure thing iceman, kaso nasa pampanga ako eh.he..he
sayang wish i could join your listening sessions
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 05, 2003 at 08:33 AM
sana tube CD player ang lalabas sa Feb  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 05, 2003 at 11:58 AM
Akyat,

Kilala ko yan may Rotel na yan hehehe.. sana open schedule ko this DEc para sa much awaited listening session sa bandang NOrth... hehehhee

Pre mukhang ok yun invite sa kabilang site.. hehehe


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 05, 2003 at 11:59 AM
vince,

Sana nga sir... at very affordable price...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: RU9 on Dec 05, 2003 at 12:59 PM
I have an integrated amplifier, it has no "amp in". It has a connection for equalizer (left & right - in & out). So is it possible to turn on the equalizer setting, use the equalizer out of my integrated to connect a preamp?

I have a similar int amp. My WS preamp arrived this am here in Zamboanga City.
The conection for the equalizer is the same as connecting to CD in of the int amp.

The preamp is well built, added PUNCH to my system.
A BEST BUY!!!

Wish list... WS 100-200 watt SS amp.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 06, 2003 at 01:16 AM
view what's in store from the wiredstate DIY team:

 http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1126 (http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1126)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 07, 2003 at 01:46 PM
Something to look forward to this 2004:

Single-ended Penthode integrated amplifier with triode selection

Uses common tubes for greater tube-rolling flexibility:  the popular EL34 and 12AX7

ALPS Blue Volume pot used in high-end components only

AURICAP coupling caps for maximum transparency, speed and musicality!

BLACKGATE high-end bias capacitors

the Wiredstate guarantee of quality!  why settle for anything else

all at an affordable price...

may be used with or without the Wiredstate preamp
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 07, 2003 at 04:33 PM
sir kailan ba namin mapapakinggan yan bago initial release ;D ;Dbuy-off ba!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 07, 2003 at 10:50 PM
sir kailan ba namin mapapakinggan yan bago initial release ;D ;Dbuy-off ba!!

the prototype will undergo several rounds of listening tests and fine tuning to make sure we come up with a real winner..i estimate we can have a final prototype by january pa...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ZEPHYR on Dec 07, 2003 at 11:36 PM
the prototype will undergo several rounds of listening tests and fine tuning to make sure we come up with a real winner..i estimate we can have a final prototype by january pa...

Sir vintage_dog - any hint as to the projected price of this new amp would be ::)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 07, 2003 at 11:40 PM
Something to look forward to this 2004:

Single-ended Penthode integrated amplifier with triode selection

Uses common tubes for greater tube-rolling flexibility:  the popular EL34 and 12AX7

ALPS Blue Volume pot used in high-end components only

AURICAP coupling caps for maximum transparency, speed and musicality!

BLACKGATE high-end bias capacitors

the Wiredstate guarantee of quality!  why settle for anything else

all at an affordable price...

may be used with or without the Wiredstate preamp



ang sigaw ng bayan...300B, 300B, 300B, 300B, 300B!!!...kelan kaya...mananatili bang pangarap na lamang??? hehehehe!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 07, 2003 at 11:42 PM
Sir vintage_dog - any hint as to the projected price of this new amp would be ::)

hi zephyr,

according to sir V_D's post at www.wiredstate.com, price will definitely be less than Php 15k...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ZEPHYR on Dec 08, 2003 at 12:02 AM
hi zephyr,

according to sir V_D's post at www.wiredstate.com, price will definitely be less than Php 15k...thanks!  8)

Less than 15k...WOW :D.

Would this new integrated amp be better sounding than the WS preamp + TB2a3 combination. Sir V_D can you please give us an idea (esp. to newbie guys like me) the difference of this new integrated amp over the combo.  ???

Thanks again.  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 08, 2003 at 07:50 AM
Less than 15k...WOW :D.

Would this new integrated amp be better sounding than the WS preamp + TB2a3 combination. Sir V_D can you please give us an idea (esp. to newbie guys like me) the difference of this new integrated amp over the combo.  ???

Thanks again.  :)

the ws preamp + tb2a3 combo will only give you some 3wpc...the new integrated one could give you at least 3x more power, so could easily drive less sensitive speakers...

the tb2a3 really started as a kit amp.  the cost of the assembled 2a3 plus WS preamp is about p24k, while the new integrated is only a little over half that, so it is designed for the newbie audiophile on a budget or someone's starter tube amp or a second system...the integrated amp will also sing very well with the preamp and recommended for added dynamics.

the new integrated amp will probably be out in the feb-march timing...



Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 08, 2003 at 07:55 AM
ang sigaw ng bayan...300B, 300B, 300B, 300B, 300B!!!...kelan kaya...mananatili bang pangarap na lamang??? hehehehe!  8)


hehehe...

that's coming too...but note, 300b amps cost at least double.  good pair of 300b tubes cost some $160, and 300b amps require bigger transformers...estimated cost of 300b amps is about p28-30k...add to that a preamp...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jvm on Dec 08, 2003 at 08:58 AM
Sir Vintage_Dog,

Sent you a PM.  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ZEPHYR on Dec 08, 2003 at 10:19 AM
the ws preamp + tb2a3 combo will only give you some 3wpc...the new integrated one could give you at least 3x more power, so could easily drive less sensitive speakers...

the tb2a3 really started as a kit amp.  the cost of the assembled 2a3 plus WS preamp is about p24k, while the new integrated is only a little over half that, so it is designed for the newbie audiophile on a budget or someone's starter tube amp or a second system...the integrated amp will also sing very well with the preamp and recommended for added dynamics.

the new integrated amp will probably be out in the feb-march timing...

Sir V_D thanks

This seems to be worth waiting for - ipon pa mga tsong. Kaya lang pag labas ng 300B hindi ko na alam kung saan ako pupulutin.  :o

Ano ba yan!!! :P
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 08, 2003 at 10:39 AM
Sir V_D,

Wish also 300B but i know its gonna be out of my budget.. for me ok na integrated tube amp... wish wish wish.. 8) 8) pero overall kahit ano pa project ng wirestate team eh Panalo!! gawang pinoy!! ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 08, 2003 at 10:49 AM
Sir V_D,

Wish also 300B but i know its gonna be out of my budget.. for me ok na integrated tube amp... wish wish wish.. 8) 8) pero overall kahit ano pa project ng wirestate team eh Panalo!! gawang pinoy!! ;D

look on the bright side - the new integ amp will be tweaked to drive our MA speakers  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 08, 2003 at 10:57 AM
look on the bright side - the new integ amp will be tweaked to drive our MA speakers  ;D

you got it ice!  our plan is to optimize the amp with the MA speakers, among others... AND the WS preamp...should be a super combo or trio!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 08, 2003 at 11:04 AM
you got it ice!  our plan is to optimize the amp with the MA speakers, among others... AND the WS preamp...should be a super combo or trio!

Nice!  ;D if you need a pair of Monitor Audio B2's to tune the amp - I would be honored to lend you mine Sir  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 08, 2003 at 11:15 AM
Nice!  ;D if you need a pair of Monitor Audio B2's to tune the amp - I would be honored to lend you mine Sir  :)

thanks, baka after the holidays na...and the pdvd team here will be the first to audition the prototype!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 08, 2003 at 11:51 AM
Sir V_D,

Thanks in advance sir.. WS preamp..MA..WS integrated.. wowowow..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rubhino on Dec 08, 2003 at 12:11 PM
anybody tried ws gear with mission speakers?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 08, 2003 at 05:26 PM
anybody tried ws gear with mission speakers?

missions have moderate sensitivity and are easy to drive with tube gear.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Dec 08, 2003 at 05:48 PM
i'm using Mission 780 bookshelfs on WS preamp hooked to a NAD c350...works well..:)

Sir VD,
just asking..is the new WS integrated amp good for fast paced music? eg. rock, R&B, pop?

thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 08, 2003 at 05:49 PM
Bruce!

Pa audition!! Gusto ko sana marinig ws preamp/hk combo. :D

i'm using Mission 780 bookshelfs on WS preamp hooked to a NAD c350...works well..:)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 08, 2003 at 06:07 PM
i'm using Mission 780 bookshelfs on WS preamp hooked to a NAD c350...works well..:)

Sir VD,
just asking..is the new WS integrated amp good for fast paced music? eg. rock, R&B, pop?

thanks

it should with sensitive speakers...but best way is for us to try it out!  will let you guys know once we have the prototype...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 08, 2003 at 06:12 PM
Here's a post at wiredstate.com on experience in tube-rolling:

BE WARNED:  this hobby is addicting!  ;D

quote from ambel:

"The Telefunken 12AU7/ECC83 is a match made in heaven for the WS pre-amp.  When we did a short comparison with the stock tube and Mullard Bugle boy there is no doubt the Tele's sang on the pre-amp seductive mids with a PRAT that is very seductive not in way that is too sweet that veils the musical presentation.

You definetely need to tube roll this pre-amp."
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Dec 08, 2003 at 06:52 PM
sir vd,

mine is not yet with new chassis? ???
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 09, 2003 at 08:28 AM
hehehe...

that's coming too...but note, 300b amps cost at least double.  good pair of 300b tubes cost some $160, and 300b amps require bigger transformers...estimated cost of 300b amps is about p28-30k...add to that a preamp...



that's great!...will look forward to that...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 09, 2003 at 08:31 AM
Less than 15k...WOW :D.

Would this new integrated amp be better sounding than the WS preamp + TB2a3 combination. Sir V_D can you please give us an idea (esp. to newbie guys like me) the difference of this new integrated amp over the combo.  ???

Thanks again.  :)

hi zephyr!

whcih is better??? still depends on your taste...2A3 is still reference (like 300B, 45)...if you're a starter, i suggest you go the push-pull way first para any speakers OK...or better yet, wait for wiredstate's valentine's project, the 10-watter that sir V_D is talking about...cheers!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 09, 2003 at 09:40 AM
5 units available tomorrow.  i will confirm where to pick-up.


pick-up from superman:

- j_albert22
- akyatbundok
- james16
- nels76
- symon

next weekend

- audionubie


hi guys!

for those getting their units from me, please wait for my text message...i'll get in touch with you as soon as they are available...with the payment, i'll coordinate with sir V_D...thanks and more fun and musical enjoyment to everyone especially this Christmas season! 8)


PS: looks like your Valentine's day will be lovelier in 2004 with the new WS project, hehehehe!  8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 09, 2003 at 11:27 AM
Sir V_D,

I am interested to hear WS Integrated Amp and the soon  300B. Sana we'll have the listening session for us to experience the good sounding amp of WS. :D :D :D

Ang galing talaga!!! Congrats to WS Team!!! 8) 8) 8)


hehehe...

that's coming too...but note, 300b amps cost at least double.  good pair of 300b tubes cost some $160, and 300b amps require bigger transformers...estimated cost of 300b amps is about p28-30k...add to that a preamp...


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 09, 2003 at 03:00 PM
...by the way, the Wiredstate Interconnects with Bullet Plugs are also available...tried them and they sound great!...thanks ArnoldC! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 09, 2003 at 05:25 PM
...by the way, the Wiredstate Interconnects with Bullet Plugs are also available...tried them and they sound great!...thanks ArnoldC! 8)

may stock ka Pre? pwede ba home audition? dami pi-pickup sa yo ng pre amp ah... dapat session na naman yan  ;D

compare natin brand new na pre-amp sa partly broken in  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 09, 2003 at 06:18 PM
may stock ka Pre? pwede ba home audition? dami pi-pickup sa yo ng pre amp ah... dapat session na naman yan  ;D

compare natin brand new na pre-amp sa partly broken in  ;)


sure...we can have one before Christmas...as for the WS interconnects, i have ArnoldC's ICs, will ask him if pwede mo i-home audition...ganda pare...but for me, nothing beats the eichmann's pa rin...although bullet plugs naman 'to so almost the same...thanks! 8)

the prototype of the new chassis is partly broken in although i'm using the original tubes i got...daan ka sa huwebes...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 09, 2003 at 06:29 PM
superman,

what's new with the new chassis?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 09, 2003 at 06:47 PM
superman,

what's new with the new chassis?

pasensiya na don't have the pics of the prototype yet...chassis is heavier...there are labels already (silk-screened)...ilalim is different...let you know kaagad...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 09, 2003 at 07:42 PM
pasensiya na don't have the pics of the prototype yet...chassis is heavier...there are labels already (silk-screened)...ilalim is different...let you know kaagad...thanks!  8)

what superman has is the prototytpe unit of the model that will be out next week.  to be sold at the new price...

the units to be released this week will not have the silk-screened labels
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 09, 2003 at 07:43 PM
5 units available tomorrow.  i will confirm where to pick-up.

- titan
- HotonE
- Muttley
- ZEPHYR

- HKfoam (ship to bukidnon c/o mickey)

more units available on Friday:

- botching (for saudi, pick-up by brother)

pick-up from superman:

- j_albert22
- akyatbundok
- james16
- nels76
- symon

next weekend

- audionubie

new chassis with labels:

+ arnel90
+ rossifumi46
+ rsm2a3 (for singapore)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Blade on Dec 10, 2003 at 09:11 AM
grabe, based on recos & comments bout this WS preamp mukhang talagang malupet  ;D
have not heard it though...audition pls...hehe...
would love to get 1 for myself parang krismas gip ko na din sa sarili ko...
might use it muna to improve the stereo side of my yamaha avr and try to save up for a tube amp...
read sa mga posts that the WS preamp & TB are a match made in heaven...
since wala pa naman akong budget for the TB amp might save up na lang for the next WS int tube amp coming next year...

B 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 10, 2003 at 11:22 AM
grabe, based on recos & comments bout this WS preamp mukhang talagang malupet  ;D
have not heard it though...audition pls...hehe...
would love to get 1 for myself parang krismas gip ko na din sa sarili ko...
might use it muna to improve the stereo side of my yamaha avr and try to save up for a tube amp...
read sa mga posts that the WS preamp & TB are a match made in heaven...
since wala pa naman akong budget for the TB amp might save up na lang for the next WS int tube amp coming next year...

B 8)



hi blade!

better line-up na...you may want to listen ot it at my place, let me know...just send me a text 0918-9284868...thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 10, 2003 at 11:24 AM
what superman has is the prototytpe unit of the model that will be out next week.  to be sold at the new price...

the units to be released this week will not have the silk-screened labels


we shall be posting the picture of the prototype with the new heavier chassis and silk-screened labels by thursday evening...iceman90a and yours truly will be working on it...also, we will post the picture/s of the WS interconnects using bullet plugs masterfully crafted by master arnoldc...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 10, 2003 at 11:28 AM
hi guys!

for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a listen, i'm planning to organize another listening session at my place on dec. 23 (tuesday), 4:00pm onwards (tentative date)...location is near susana heights (muntinlupa)...please send me a text message if you're interested to join...


(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XABpKB4b4vr4vPls6v1GXbfEn8rKn0o2*30P5IuDTheRGVit69G4xCN*9SO*xRqNnrRidKYLFFyPriepEKLOwYvm8XF7lNgEYd7fQ17ojqErSxdzkebggoTk1bu9nu68hyxOh34TqPk/Superman's%20Audio%20Set-Up%2007.jpg?dc=4675443525425067881)

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/03soul%20mates.JPG)


we'll be using of course the prototype of the WS tube preamp (with the new chassis), JE Labs 2A3 SET amplifier, Monitor Audio Silver S2 Bookshelf Speakers, Analysis Plus Oval 12 Speaker Cables and Two (2) sets of Eichmann Express 4 Interconnects...

thanks and Merry Christmas to ALL!  8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 10, 2003 at 11:45 AM
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::)Malapit lng ako d2 ah!!! :D :D :DI'll check my sked....


hi guys!

for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a listen, i'm planning to organize another listening session at my place on dec. 23 (tuesday), 4:00pm onwards (tentative date)...location is near susana heights (muntinlupa)...please send me a text message if you're interested to join...


(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XABpKB4b4vr4vPls6v1GXbfEn8rKn0o2*30P5IuDTheRGVit69G4xCN*9SO*xRqNnrRidKYLFFyPriepEKLOwYvm8XF7lNgEYd7fQ17ojqErSxdzkebggoTk1bu9nu68hyxOh34TqPk/Superman's%20Audio%20Set-Up%2007.jpg?dc=4675443525425067881)

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/03soul%20mates.JPG)


we'll be using of course the prototype of the WS tube preamp (with the new chassis), JE Labs 2A3 SET amplifier, Monitor Audio Silver S2 Bookshlef Speakers, Analysis Plus Oval 12 Speaker Cables and Two (2) sets of Eichmann Express 4 Interconnects...

thanks and Merry Chiristmas to ALL!  8)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 10, 2003 at 12:25 PM
so sorry, the 4 units can only be delivered tomorrow at ArchAudio for:


- titan
- HotonE
- Muttley
- ZEPHYR

please text ed at 0917-897-0798 to confirm.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 10, 2003 at 07:16 PM
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::)Malapit lng ako d2 ah!!! :D :D :DI'll check my sked....


thanks s2kov!

let me know...just send me an sms 0918-9284868  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 10, 2003 at 07:29 PM
No problem bro!!! 8) 8) 8)

Thanks....


thanks s2kov!

let me know...just send me an sms 0918-9284868  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 11, 2003 at 07:26 AM
hi guys!

for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a listen (especially those being attacked by the dreaded SARS), i'm free this saturday, december 13, 2003 8:30pm onwards...location is near susana heights (muntinlupa)...please send me a text message if you're coming over - 0918-9284868...


(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XABpKB4b4vr4vPls6v1GXbfEn8rKn0o2*30P5IuDTheRGVit69G4xCN*9SO*xRqNnrRidKYLFFyPriepEKLOwYvm8XF7lNgEYd7fQ17ojqErSxdzkebggoTk1bu9nu68hyxOh34TqPk/Superman's%20Audio%20Set-Up%2007.jpg?dc=4675443525425067881)

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/03soul%20mates.JPG)


we'll be using of course the prototype of the WS tube preamp (with the new chassis), JE Labs 2A3 SET amplifier, Monitor Audio Silver S2 Bookshelf Speakers, Analysis Plus Oval 12 Speaker Cables and Two (2) sets of Eichmann Express 4 Interconnects...

you may bring your reference CDs...cheers! 8)

Merry Christmas to all! 8)


superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 11, 2003 at 07:50 AM
hi guys!

for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a listen (especially those being attacked by the dreaded SARS), i'm free this saturday, december 13, 2003 8:30pm onwards...location is near susana heights (muntinlupa)...please send me a text message if you're coming over - 0918-9284868...


superman 8)



we'll have units for the gang ready by then... ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 11, 2003 at 08:20 AM
hi guys!

for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a listen (especially those being attacked by the dreaded SARS), i'm free this saturday, december 13, 2003 8:30pm onwards...location is near susana heights (muntinlupa)...please send me a text message if you're coming over - 0918-9284868...

superman 8)



ira-raffle ba yung toshiba dvd, marantz 4300 at us audio na sub?  ;D

kahit benta ka ng ticket - tig bente  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 11, 2003 at 09:03 AM
ira-raffle ba yung toshiba dvd, marantz 4300 at us audio na sub?  ;D

kahit benta ka ng ticket - tig bente  :D

wish ko lang!!! hehehehehe!... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 11, 2003 at 09:25 AM
Superman,

Any pix of the reinforced ws preamp?  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 11, 2003 at 09:50 AM
Superman,

Any pix of the reinforced ws preamp?  :)

we will post it tonight or tomorrow...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 10:31 AM
superman,

Sir aside from the new label and case is there any other modification..  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 11, 2003 at 10:34 AM
superman,

Sir aside from the new label and case is there any other modification..  :D

same as before...mas pogi...mas macho, ika nga...hehehe!... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 11, 2003 at 10:50 AM
Bro,

Is the saturday listening session final instead of Dec 23?


same as before...mas pogi...mas macho, ika nga...hehehe!... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 11, 2003 at 10:54 AM
Bro,

Is the saturday listening session final instead of Dec 23?

not really a full-blast listening session...a chance for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a try...please join if you're free...december 23 is another separate session...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 11, 2003 at 11:05 AM
Ok thanks.... December 23 is fine with me and the sked this coming saturday is not possible since we have company christmas party.... 8) 8) 8)

Again, many thanks.... :D :D :D


not really a full-blast listening session...a chance for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a try...please join if you're free...december 23 is another separate session...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 11, 2003 at 11:12 AM
Ok thanks.... December 23 is fine with me and the sked this coming saturday is not possible since we have company christmas party.... 8) 8) 8)

Again, many thanks.... :D :D :D

no problem, s2kov! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 11, 2003 at 11:35 AM
hi guys!

as posted by vintage_dog at www.pinoydiophiles.com, here's the detailed specs of the Wiredstate Tube Preamp...



(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SQDVApAVtAS5nDeqdF9trUdDw46V18B4CmuJsDCP3XhSkouoRM1ZzwI5gbhVq8jfizQJqrZhDcbDYiIBwDFUGKr1ZoK9o!1arLoJcciXc!BH0jDV2A!KYg/DSC04355.JPG?dc=4675447827344659257)

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS

FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 1.6Hz to 460kHz

HARMONIC DISTORTION: Less than 0.x% at xV RMS, xHz to xkHz

GAIN: at 1kHz is 20dB

INPUTS: (2) Line 1, Line 2

OUTPUTS: (1) Line Out

CONTROLS: (2) Input Select, Volume

SWITCHES: (1) Power

INPUT IMPEDANCE: 100k Ohms

OUTPUT IMPEDANCE: 2.5k Ohms

RATED OUTPUT: 28V

CHANNEL SEPARATION: xdB @ 1kHz

PHASE: Inverting or Non-inverting

NOISE: -xdB  below xV Output xHz to xkHz

TUBE COMPLEMENT: JAN Philips 12AU7

POWER REQUIREMENTS: 220VAC 50/60Hz (Export 110VAC 60Hz) xx VA maximum

DIMENSIONS: Width 152mm
Depth 320mm (includes volume knob and rear RCA jacks)
Height 70mm without tubes, 120mm with tubes (includes rubber feet)
WEIGHT: xkg (x lbs)


PRODUCT FEATURES

Point-to-point wiring
100K ALPS blue volume control
Black Gate bypass capacitors
AURICAPS coupling capacitors
Fast recovery soft start diodes for the power supply
Bulgin IEC with Fuse holder
Gold-plated and Teflon-insulated RCA jacks
Gold-plated 9 pin ceramic sockets
Heavy-gauge steel chassis
Uses 12AU7 tubes (2) included
2 inputs with selector
super-quiet/low-noise design
compatible with SET, Push-pull and Solid state amplifiers and Receivers

 
WHAT'S IN THE BOX

These items are:

One pair of JAN Philips 12AU7 tubes, totaling 2
A detachable AC power cord


CONTROL FUNCTIONS

A. SELECTOR SWITCH
This switch is flipped up or down to select a Line Level input. In the uppoer position, you are selecting Line 1, and in the lower position, Line 2.

B. VOLUME CONTROL
This knob allows variable control over the output volume level. Turn it clockwise to make the music louder.

C. ON-OFF SWITCH
When in the ON position, the switch will light indicating supply of power into the circuit.

D. IEC SOCKET WITH FUSE HOLDER
Plug the detachable power cord into this socket.

E. MAIN OUTPUT
These outputs connect to the inputs of the power amplifier. Connect left channel to left channel and right channel to right channel.

F. LINE LEVEL INPUT 1
Line level maybe made to these RCA pair. Connect left channel to left channel, right channel to right channel.

G. LINE LEVEL INPUT 2
Line level maybe made to these RCA pair. Connect left channel to left channel, right channel to right channel.


OPERATION

This unit is wired for 220V 50/60Hz.

Connect the supplied Detachable Power Cord to the pre-amplifier IEC socket, noting the orientation.
 
The remaining connections are made with RCA connectors to or from the other units, such as the sources and amplifier.

Connect the source units to the inputs of the pre-amplifier; left channel to left channel and right channel to right channel.. The right channel RCA is marked with a RED ring, and the left channel with a BLACK ring.

Check the Volume control and rotate it fully counter-clockwise to minimum volume.

The unit is now ready for operation. Power on the pre-amplifier by placing the ON-OFF switch in the ON position and the power switch will light RED.  Wait around 30-45 seconds for the tubes to heat up.

Select a source ready to play through the selector switch.

Adjust the volume via the Volume control knob by turning it clockwise until you are satisfied with the volume level.


TUBE ROLLING

Tube rolling can be fun if you only use the tubes listed below.

12AU7
CV4003
ECC82

Do not use tube types other than those listed above. Damage to the pre-amplifier due to improper substitution automatically voids the warranty. In addition, Wiredstate will not be liable for the damage to other equipment where the pre-amplifier was connected.



Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 11, 2003 at 05:33 PM
Mga idol,

May nakakuha na ba ng preamp niyo? ;D

Quote
pick-up from superman:

- j_albert22
- akyatbundok
- james16
- nels76
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Dec 11, 2003 at 05:56 PM

D ko pa nakukuha.  :P  sir v_d. i'm planning to get my unit on saturday.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 11, 2003 at 10:25 PM

HARMONIC DISTORTION: Less than 0.x% at xV RMS, xHz to xkHz

CHANNEL SEPARATION: xdB @ 1kHz

PHASE: Inverting or Non-inverting

NOISE: -xdB  below xV Output xHz to xkHz


 :-[ some specs not yet available

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 12, 2003 at 05:13 AM
went to Superman's place last night to take pictures of the new pre-amp...

we have them but guess we should leave the honor of unveiling the new chassis to Sir Vintage...

to those with the pre-amp already, just imagine your units with labels for the outputs and the pre-amp name on the front (hmmm wonder who gave the name, and won)

so just keep checking this thread for updates...

(julsp168 may Tutti na ako  ;D - pang headbang  ;D)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 12, 2003 at 06:09 AM
went to Superman's place last night to take pictures of the new pre-amp...

we have them but guess we should leave the honor of unveiling the new chassis to Sir Vintage...

to those with the pre-amp already, just imagine your units with labels for the outputs and the pre-amp name on the front (hmmm wonder who gave the name, and won)

so just keep checking this thread for updates...

(julsp168 may Tutti na ako  ;D - pang headbang  ;D)


thanks iceman!...has a short listening session...grabe, now i really notice an improvement in the pre-amp as it has already surpassed and 100-hour mark (including my MA S2s)...truly a "best-buy"... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Blade on Dec 12, 2003 at 07:48 AM
hi blade!

better line-up na...you may want to listen ot it at my place, let me know...just send me a text 0918-9284868...thanks!

thanks bro superman...
already got your cell no...
will just text you if ever i can make it to one of your listening sessions...
saan nga pala kayo sa susana heights...
thanks....

Blade.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jerix on Dec 12, 2003 at 09:39 AM

TUBE ROLLING

Tube rolling can be fun if you only use the tubes listed below.

12AU7
CV4003
ECC82

Do not use tube types other than those listed above. Damage to the pre-amplifier due to improper substitution automatically voids the warranty. In addition, Wiredstate will not be liable for the damage to other equipment where the pre-amplifier was connected.





Sirs, pardon me but what do we mean by the term TUBE ROLLING?

In what possible circumstances will the connected equipment(CD,DVD,etc.) be damaged if connected to the preamp?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: KD on Dec 12, 2003 at 10:19 AM
Tube rolling is the process of replacing the tubes with equivalents from a different manufacturer or production year. Even if tubes are compatible, they often have different sonic characteristics which may be desirable or unwanted. When tubes are rolled, the sound often changes.

Tube rolling can be costly, though. Some recommended substitutes for the 12AU7s included with the preamp can cost P4,000 per pair.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jerix on Dec 12, 2003 at 10:24 AM
thnx for the info KD--  ;D and WELCOME to the forum! i feel that u can contribute well here--  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: listener on Dec 12, 2003 at 10:31 AM
After hearing all the praises from the satisfied owners of the Tube preamp im quite certain that its performance is indeed more than what you invested in it. For a small amount of money it gives you a peek at what the tube sound has to offer.
One thing that bewilderes me though is that why would some of the buyers connect an exquisite sounding tube preamp to a Japanese A/V receiver like a Yamaha, Denon or a Harman that has a S/S preamp stage already?  didnt it ever occur to the users of that method that the S/S stage of the Japanese A/V receivers MAY dillute the performance of the already good sounding WS preamp?  The two pre amp stages that the signal passes through is kinda redundant and has the tendency be ergonomically difficult to operate  (two volume controls, inputs etc) and not only that it will need an extra set of signal cables that may degrade the sound even more.  Yes you may get the hybrid tube sound to some degree but isnt it more logical and practical to get the tube integrated amp that the WS team has promised for next year and then altogether ditch the S/S Jap A/V receiver that im quite certain taints the tube sound?
 I for one would be very much interested in that piece of gear when it comes out.  Sir Vintage Dog please PM me if and when it comes out.
 
BTW, another problem that the WS Preamp owners that may encounter is that if they want to upgrade their S/S amps with the WS tube integrated amp. They have two preamp stages once again which is quite redundant. Kung Tube POWER amp yung ikakabit then by all means kaso integrated tube pre amp yun eh so may Preamp stage again.  One this is for sure...if the WS Integrated comes out early next year and its price/performance ratio turns out toi be a winner then im quite sure that there will be a lot of used WS preamps that will go on sale sa classifieds. Happy listening to all  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 12, 2003 at 11:22 AM

One thing that bewilderes me though is that why would some of the buyers connect an exquisite sounding tube preamp to a Japanese A/V receiver like a Yamaha, Denon or a Harman that has a S/S preamp stage already?  

one very good reason - NO MONEY YET TO BUY A DEDICATED TUBE AMP - naubos sa receiver eh  ;D


didnt it ever occur to the users of that method that the S/S stage of the Japanese A/V receivers MAY dillute the performance of the already good sounding WS preamp?


well aware of that - but still settling for a compromise until enough money is earned to buy a dedicated tube amp

One this is for sure...if the WS Integrated comes out early next year and its price/performance ratio turns out toi be a winner then im quite sure that there will be a lot of used WS preamps that will go on sale sa classifieds. Happy listening to all  :)

I don't think so - the WS team said the Preamp will be a match for the Integrated amp that is coming out next year. I think the reason they placed a potentiometer in that amp is so that others who do not have this preamp can still enjoy the tube sound even if they get only that amp  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 12, 2003 at 11:55 AM
if someone would be generous enough to sell their krell, bryston or classe for 10k, i wouldn't even blink -- aprub without thinking!  ;) ;D  but sadly high-end brands are beyond the reach of most of us.  i happen to like jap brands, they're not all mass produced (luxman/accuphase), just as not all US/european brands are high-end (zenith/rca anyone?).

but i get what you wanted to say sir listener, the WS preamp deserves a good power amp to match... so as an alternative to "FS:WS preamp", may i add ... "WTB: power amp".

sir vintage, when the new integrated amp comes out, maybe power amp inputs would be useful for us WS preamp owners.  that way we can switch between 2 preamps?  maybe we can use a different set of tubes on the 2 preamps and then switch according to mood/taste.  or better yet, a power amp add-on.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: listener on Dec 12, 2003 at 02:50 PM
I don't think so - the WS team said the Preamp will be a match for the Integrated amp that is coming out next year. I think the reason they placed a potentiometer in that amp is so that others who do not have this preamp can still enjoy the tube sound even if they get only that amp  ;)

iceman,
sir, the WS Team are coming out with an INTEGRATED TUBE AMPLIFIER. That integrated amp has a pre amp stage already. Hindi lang potentiometer ang nakalagay dun and im sure most of the components if not all that you have on your WS Preamp will be built in dun sa WS Tube Integrated Amp. Doble gastos on your part di ba kung bibilhin mo din yung WS Tube Integrated kasi you already have a tube pre amp stage. Ang sa akin lang ay putting your money where it counts the most.  Yung Pre amp costs P8T+ tapos yung Integrated Tube Amp na 10 watt is less than P15T e di dun ka na sa Tube Integrated Amp ng WS kasi mas flexible yung gear na yun not to mention that you will spend only Php15T instead of Php23T+ (WS preamp and WS integrated).

Iceman, matagal na din ako sa Audio pero for me and to a lot of others ONE preamp stage is more than enough for a single stereo setup.   Kung naging Tube Power amp yun ikakabit sa WS Tube Preamp ay ibang story na yun.

Akyat

You need not spend much to get a taste of the high end sound.  The WS gear is already proof of that.  

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 12, 2003 at 03:08 PM
sir listener, you know its good that you brought this up coz i've been contemplating on this a lot for my xmas gift to myself... my target really was a tube integrated amp and i was planning to put pre-outs and main-ins on it, so that i can have the flexibility of having both a hybrid and an all-tube setup.  in fact i wanted to do this experiment of bi-amping my 3-way floorstander with a tube amp for the mids/highs and an ss power amp for the woofer.

i already had the AMX kt88 SET amp in mind, but on 1st & 2nd audition i thought it still needed an extra oomph so i kinda hesitated.  i hope the WS integrated would be more convincing... since the integrated amp version would be basically using the same preamp (just an assumption), would it then be possible for existing preamp owners to send in their units for "upgrade"?  you know, just to protect the investment.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 12, 2003 at 03:08 PM
iceman,
sir, the WS Team are coming out with an INTEGRATED TUBE AMPLIFIER. That integrated amp has a pre amp stage already. Hindi lang potentiometer ang nakalagay dun and im sure most of the components if not all that you have on your WS Preamp will be built in dun sa WS Tube Integrated Amp. Doble gastos on your part di ba kung bibilhin mo din yung WS Tube Integrated kasi you already have a tube pre amp stage. Ang sa akin lang ay putting your money where it counts the most.  Yung Pre amp costs P8T+ tapos yung Integrated Tube Amp na 10 watt is less than P15T e di dun ka na sa Tube Integrated Amp ng WS kasi mas flexible yung gear na yun not to mention that you will spend only Php15T instead of Php23T+ (WS preamp and WS integrated).

Iceman, matagal na din ako sa Audio pero for me and to a lot of others ONE preamp stage is more than enough for a single stereo setup.   Kung naging Tube Power amp yun ikakabit sa WS Tube Preamp ay ibang story na yun.

Akyat

You need not spend much to get a taste of the high end sound.  The WS gear is already proof of that.  



quoting Sir Vintage_dog from Wiredstate:
Quote from: vintage_dog
Something to look forward to this 2004:

Single-ended Penthode integrated amplifier with triode selection

Uses common tubes for greater tube-rolling flexibility:  the popular EL34 and 12AX7

ALPS Blue Volume pot used in high-end components only

AURICAP coupling caps for maximum transparency, speed and musicality!

BLACKGATE high-end bias capacitors

the Wiredstate guarantee of quality!  why settle for anything else

all at an affordable price...may be used with or without the Wiredstate preamp
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Quote

I'm not arguing with you (no point in it anyway) - just repeating what the WS guys are saying  ;D

besides unlike you - I'm a newbie, dont know anything I wouldn't know a penthode from a triathlon. so if you say it has what it has - can't contest that  :)

what would i know - i connect a preamp to a receiver...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Garp on Dec 12, 2003 at 03:17 PM
iceman,
sir, the WS Team are coming out with an INTEGRATED TUBE AMPLIFIER. That integrated amp has a pre amp stage already. Hindi lang potentiometer ang nakalagay dun and im sure most of the components if not all that you have on your WS Preamp will be built in dun sa WS Tube Integrated Amp. Doble gastos on your part di ba kung bibilhin mo din yung WS Tube Integrated kasi you already have a tube pre amp stage. Ang sa akin lang ay putting your money where it counts the most.  Yung Pre amp costs P8T+ tapos yung Integrated Tube Amp na 10 watt is less than P15T e di dun ka na sa Tube Integrated Amp ng WS kasi mas flexible yung gear na yun not to mention that you will spend only Php15T instead of Php23T+ (WS preamp and WS integrated).

Iceman, matagal na din ako sa Audio pero for me and to a lot of others ONE preamp stage is more than enough for a single stereo setup.   Kung naging Tube Power amp yun ikakabit sa WS Tube Preamp ay ibang story na yun.

Akyat

You need not spend much to get a taste of the high end sound.  The WS gear is already proof of that.  



Maybe you guys should wait for the specs. Is there a initial/premap gain stage in the WS integrated amp? At its simplest form integrated amp can mean just an input selector and a pot. In which case, getting the WS preamp and integrated amp would not be redundant.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Dec 12, 2003 at 03:18 PM
the integrated amp might be similar to the tsaudio amp being sold at architectural audio, it has a passive preamp but it has a direct amp input should you want to use a different preamp to control the volume.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sebman on Dec 12, 2003 at 03:28 PM
from this friendly discussions.. it seems that from the specs that sir listener has written.. it seems that its a logical choice to wait for the february release of the WS team..  :) please enlighten us sir vintage_dog if the Integrated Tube Amplifier can still be used as a preamp to our SS avrs besides from being a standalone tube amp... thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: listener on Dec 12, 2003 at 03:33 PM
my target really was a tube integrated amp and i was planning to put pre-outs and main-ins on it, so that i can have the flexibility of having both a hybrid and an all-tube setup.  in fact i wanted to do this experiment of bi-amping my 3-way floorstander with a tube amp for the mids/highs and an ss power amp for the woofer.

Give it a try bro. If the WS Integrated Tube Amp has a signal pass through circuit which can be controlled by the volume pot then its just a matter of connecting a S/S power amp to the signal path to power the woofer. Try to ask if they could custom build such a pass through for you.

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i already had the AMX kt88 SET amp in mind, but on 1st & 2nd audition i thought it still needed an extra oomph so i kinda hesitated.  i hope the WS integrated would be more convincing... since the integrated amp version would be basically using the same preamp (just an assumption), would it then be possible for existing preamp owners to send in their units for "upgrade"?  you know, just to protect the investment.

sir akyat, ang problem kasi minsan sa all tube setup is that sometimes sumosobra sa lambing ang sound to the point that nawawalan na ng slam and dynamics sa presentation ng ibang types of music. namimili na ng music pag ganun ang nangyari thats why a lot of tube users spend time and money auditioning and listening to certain tubes kasi iba-iba ang sonic characteristics ng ng tubes.  Pag hybrid ang set up ay andun pa din yung slam ng tunog coupled with the tube presentation of the mid and high.
others prefer the hybrid setup while others like the all tube.

Now for your "upgrade" question I am not in the position to answer that. maybe the WS team can work something out for you.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sebman on Dec 12, 2003 at 03:37 PM
since the integrated amp version would be basically using the same preamp (just an assumption), would it then be possible for existing preamp owners to send in their units for "upgrade"?  you know, just to protect the investment.

nice inquiry sir akyatbundok...  :) ;) is there such a provision for an upgrade?  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: listener on Dec 12, 2003 at 03:38 PM
Maybe you guys should wait for the specs. Is there a initial/premap gain stage in the WS integrated amp? At its simplest form integrated amp can mean just an input selector and a pot. In which case, getting the WS preamp and integrated amp would not be redundant.

The specs of the WS integrated amp are already out bro. just look at the post of iceman.  please compare it to the WS preamp and im quite sure you will notice common parts between the two.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 12, 2003 at 04:00 PM
Give it a try bro. If the WS Integrated Tube Amp has a signal pass through circuit which can be controlled by the volume pot then its just a matter of connecting a S/S power amp to the signal path to power the woofer. Try to ask if they could custom build such a pass through for you.

exactly what i was thinking sir!  the "lambing" of tubes in the mids as well as the "easy on the ears" treble, then add to that the dynamic slam of ss on the woofers.  though i realize you could achieve almost the same result with a bookshelf + tube amp + musical subwoofer... the key word being "almost" but not quite, because a woofer sounds different from a subwoofer.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 12, 2003 at 04:07 PM
thanks bro superman...
already got your cell no...
will just text you if ever i can make it to one of your listening sessions...
saan nga pala kayo sa susana heights...
thanks....

Blade.

hi blade!

send me your contact no. so i could get in touch with you for directions...thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: RU9 on Dec 12, 2003 at 04:09 PM
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if someone would be generous enough to sell their krell, bryston or classe for 10k

Akyat,

Baka HK P2000 or NAD C260/272 pwede na.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Garp on Dec 12, 2003 at 04:10 PM
The specs of the WS integrated amp are already out bro. just look at the post of iceman.  please compare it to the WS preamp and im quite sure you will notice common parts between the two.

Sorry can't tell from the specs. So if its integrated with preamp, then there should at least be 1 12ax7 for preamp, 2 12ax7 for driver stage, then 2 el34 for power?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 12, 2003 at 04:27 PM
Very interesting discuss this is...  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 12, 2003 at 04:31 PM
Akyat,

Baka HK P2000 or NAD C260/272 pwede na.

pwedeng-pwede po yan esp. NAD C272 meron na ba nyan 4sale for isang lapad?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: v0elker on Dec 12, 2003 at 05:01 PM
passive pre naman yung sa ws int amp, so the ws active preamp can still be used with it...

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corrsty gave me the following advice (one of the possible upgrades) when i got the ts audio integrated (also using passive pre)

"adding a separate preamp - doing this, especially paired with a not so efficient speaker will give you added gain. this can potentially give you a more dynamic sound. it will add body to your music."
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: edboy7 on Dec 12, 2003 at 06:06 PM
Very interesting discuss this is...  ;D

yup ur right slayer ;D.....this could help  newbies like me what would be the best audiosetup for us... ;D
 
 i like akyatbundok's hybrid set up in mind  though :D....lakas siguro sa kuryente yun....  8)

thanks guys ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Dec 12, 2003 at 06:10 PM
guys,

i will end all speculations on the integrated amp to allow you to make more informed decision.

facts:

1) it will be an integrated amp with single-stage high-gain triode driver, with volume control in front

2) i designed this and my goal is to give balls to the amp (i like rock music ok :D) in SINGLE-ENDED PENTODE mode (10W)and sweetness in TRIODE mode (3W) - hence no phase splitter section because it is NOT PUSH PULL

my 2A3 is "malambing" when playing jacintha or jheena lodwick but "brusko" when playing marilyn manson or rammstein, so i have the best of both worlds. my 300B does not do justice to my rock music. that's my gear and i hear it that way.

happy listening
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 12, 2003 at 06:43 PM
let me also provide more info to guide those who may be planning to buy a WS preamp and/or WS integrated amp:

1.  the WS preamp is intended to provide tube line stage amplification and flexibility to control CD inputs.  adding it to a receiver does not downgrade your system.  if you already have a receiver, view it as a gadget to enhance or improve the receiver system... in fact, that has been the experience of the majority who have invested in the preamp to match with their receivers.

not everyone can afford separate audio systems dedicated for 2 channel music only, so this is the logical and most economical path without investing in a new amp.  congrats to everyone who already did.

2.  the WS integrated amp is really a 10wpc amp with a passive preamp section.  net, it is like an amp but with a volume control.   the WS intamp does not have the same power rating as most receivers, so will may need efficient speakers.  

also, when you set the volume control to max, the WS integrated amp automatically becomes an AMP only!

3.  the WS intamp would work best with a WS preamp, but can also stand on it's own.  expect better dynamics with the use of an active preamp like the WS preamp.  for example, the TB2a3 amp works best with the WS preamp for some speakers, but may not have the same power to drive them well without the WS preamp, even if we convert the TB2a3 as an integrated amp via a passive preamp (volume control).

net, if you already have a ss amp or receiver but want to enjoy tube sound without spending much, go WS preamp.

if you want a separate dedicated system to drive efficient speakers, go WS integrated amp.

now, to really maximize the performance of your dedicated audio system only, get the WS preamp AND the WS integrated amp.

hope this helps...    
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 12, 2003 at 07:19 PM
sir vintage, when the new integrated amp comes out, maybe power amp inputs would be useful for us WS preamp owners.  that way we can switch between 2 preamps?  maybe we can use a different set of tubes on the 2 preamps and then switch according to mood/taste.  or better yet, a power amp add-on.


as i shared above, the WS int-amp does not have an active preamp stage (no tube, just passive via a volume control).  if you set the volume control to max, it automatically becomes an AMP only.

if you look at it, it's a brilliant design to ensure no redundancy and provide synergy with the WS preamp!

also guys, do not be tempted to buy another amp if you already have a WS preamp...enjoy your current set-up!

buy the WS int-amp more as a second system, or a separate system for audio only.  believe me, you are not missing anything much if you already have the WS preamp.  when iceman brought his receiver at home for a listen, frankly i was surprised how the WS preamp transformed it into a musical machine, i see no compelling need for someone to change his receiver set-up into something else...so while, we are promoting a new WS int-amp, do NOT buy it to replace your current receivers if you already have a WS preamp.  use the money to buy more CDs instead!  ;D



Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 12, 2003 at 07:24 PM
BTW, another problem that the WS Preamp owners that may encounter is that if they want to upgrade their S/S amps with the WS tube integrated amp. They have two preamp stages once again which is quite redundant.

not true, there will only be one active preamp stage in a WS preamp+WS integrated amp combo. reason is, the WS int-amp has a passive preamp stage (only a volume control).

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 12, 2003 at 07:35 PM
arnoldc & VD,

Thanks for the clarifications!!  ;D

So if we already have the ws preamp/ss amp combo, its already as good or even close to the ws preamp/ws intamp combo?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 12, 2003 at 07:46 PM
arnoldc & VD,

Thanks for the clarifications!!  ;D

So if we already have the ws preamp/ss amp combo, its already as good or even close to the ws preamp/ws intamp combo?

it's a matter of personal taste... in fact, if you already enjoy your WS preamp + ss amp/receiver, there is no need to get another amp!  unless, you want it for a second system...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Mickey on Dec 12, 2003 at 08:36 PM
Heres something I picked up on the net:

' Preamps are called upon to deliver extremely high amounts of gain while introducing very low amounts of noise and distortion.'

It is  difficult to design a tube amp that can hold its own during demanding passages. Once a signal demands that the power tube or tubes draw a lot of current from the power supply, the ripple or noise in the power supply increases. And part of this noise, among other things is introduced to the gain stage of the amp which in turn amplifies the noise and feeds it to the power tube.

In a preamp, a quiet or clean power supply can be economically designed because of its very small current draw or power needs. With a clean power supply, one can expect a cleaner more accurate sound reproduction.

Mickey
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: listener on Dec 12, 2003 at 11:00 PM
not true, there will only be one active preamp stage in a WS preamp+WS integrated amp combo. reason is, the WS int-amp has a passive preamp stage (only a volume control).

sir vintage dog,  even though the preamp stage of the WS tube integrated is passive the fact still remains that it is still a preamp stage and that there will be TWO preamp stages if you use the WS preamp with the WS Integrated tube amp (one is active and the other one is passive.)  kahit sabihin nating passive design yan at volume control lang ang meron dyan ay preamp stage pa din yan.  let us call a spade a spade sir para naman hindi ma-confuse yung mga newbies na babasa sa thread na ito and to those who are interested to purchase your products.  cheers  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 12, 2003 at 11:59 PM
sir vintage dog,  even though the preamp stage of the WS tube integrated is passive the fact still remains that it is still a preamp stage and that there will be TWO preamp stages if you use the WS preamp with the WS Integrated tube amp (one is active and the other one is passive.)  kahit sabihin nating passive design yan at volume control lang ang meron dyan ay preamp stage pa din yan.  let us call a spade a spade sir para naman hindi ma-confuse yung mga newbies na babasa sa thread na ito and to those who are interested to purchase your products.  cheers  ;)

listener,

there will still be only 1 and only 1 preamp stage in a WS preamp + WS  integrated amp combo.  the preamp (gain stage) is provided by the WS preamp.  the passive device (potentiometer) is exactly that, passive, that is, not proviing any gain at all, thus technically not a preamp stage.  the term "passive preamp" is an audiophile term referring generally to a potentiometer used to control "volume", but does NOT provide any gain.

if you still can't understand, i invite you to sit down with us and we will show you the design and theory behind what we are saying here.  at max setting of the potentiometer, the signal directly passes through the grid of the driver tube and the 100k potentiomener acts as a fixed resistor to ground.  this design makes it an amp, thus at this setting there is only one active preamp stage and not two.

have you seen our design for you to question what we are claiming?  

so before you make your statement and insinuations about us not calling a spade a spade, better consult with us first and validate what we are saying.  please note that we are hobbyists more than businessmen, and we are doing these projects to spread  tube sound to more folks.

also,  i do not need to advertise any of our products.  you will note that the product sells itself.  if you are here to question our credibility, better back-up your words or be prepared to confront us face to face.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Mickey on Dec 13, 2003 at 12:05 AM
It is very interesting to note that most people  use a preamp together with their tube amps. its either because most CD players in the market do not have the capability to directly drive an amp properly or tube amps are not meant to be driven by a passive preamp. A volume control doesnt add any value to an amp.
Old vintage amps like the ST-70 doesnt even have a volume control attached to it. Tube amps like the Japanese airtight used to  have volume pots before that sucks. Its not meant to be used. Use it and the sound becomes a bit veiled.  A 100K ohm volume control just cannot escape the fact  that ,at say 12 oclock, it just threw out the window all the hard work the CD player manufacturers did, in lowering the output impedances of their players to less than 500 ohms by adding 90K ohms to it.  :o  
Dont be confused. Having a preamp with your amp is not redundant because a preamp is there to provide gain without distorting the sound and to have enough juice to drive an amp properly which most cd players cant.

Mickey
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 13, 2003 at 12:56 AM

i already had the AMX kt88 SET amp in mind, but on 1st & 2nd audition i thought it still needed an extra oomph so i kinda hesitated.  i hope the WS integrated would be more convincing... since the integrated amp version would be basically using the same preamp (just an assumption), would it then be possible for existing preamp owners to send in their units for "upgrade"?  you know, just to protect the investment.

i am not familiar with  the AMX kt88 SET.  if it has a passive preamp section (ie, no active gain stage) and you are using less efficient speakers (less than 90db), then do not expect it to give you the oomph... i believe a WS integrated will not solve your problem.

some options:

1.  try out the WS preamp and the WS integrated combo

2.  continue your plan for bi-amping, although a little more complicated and more expensive with the tube amp driving the mids/highs and an ss amp for the bass

3. get a more powerful amp (tube or ss)

4. invest in high-efficiuency speakers...as a guide, every 3 db increase in speaker sensitivity requires only half the power.  for example, if your 8w amp (like a 300b amp) is able to drive your 90db speakers well, you will need only 1w to produce the same loadness when using 99db speakers!

 
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 13, 2003 at 01:04 AM
 I believe you on that Sir V_D!!! :D :D :D Additional 3dB will add the power 2x and less 3dB is half the power or vice versa.... 8) 8) 8)

4. invest in high-efficiuency speakers...as a guide, every 3 db increase in speaker sensitivity requires only half the power.  for example, if your 8w amp (like a 300b amp) is able to drive your 90db speakers well, you will need only 1w to produce the same loadness when using 99db speakers!

 
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 13, 2003 at 10:54 AM
just got 2 text messages from arnoldc that he has now completed a breadboard prototype of the integrated amp... ;D ;D

well, "the baby can rock! yeah baby yeah!" in penthode mode (10wpc)  8)

followed by "..maganda ang tunog in triode mode" (3wpc)  :)

well, that's like 2 amps in one!  :D

congarts arnoldc...looks like another winner!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: boobtube on Dec 13, 2003 at 10:59 AM
There are no real guarantees that being a so-called "hobbyist" makes it better than the rest.  I am a audiophile too.  Can you say, we're building this for the upliftment of audio in the Philippines?   Audio is like beauty " in the eyes of the beholder" or make it in the "ears of the beholder" and both very, very subjective.  You ain't the gospel unless it's in The Bible.

Now I read somewhere about the money back guarantee you have which is good for the buyers.
If indeed these wired state products are worthy of praise then congratulations are in order wiredstate team!

IIRC, there are products by Rene and other hobbyists too who may or may not be active on these forums and may not be as eloquent or well funded as some of you.

No flames here again for the newbies you have every right to ask no matter how dumb or trivial your questions may be because the customer is always right!
If they don't reaxct properly like a so called challenge then we can take our business elsewhere.

In the end like all other transactions... Caveat Emptor or buyers beware.  No matter how little the profit, bottomline it still is a business.

My spade.

Im sorry I have to edit your post. Please be careful with your posting. This is your first and  last Warning!

mod levi
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 13, 2003 at 11:24 AM
There are no real guarantees that being a so-called "hobbyist" makes it better than the rest.  I am a audiophile too.  Can you say, we're building this for the upliftment of audio in the Philippines?   Audio is like beauty " in the eyes of the beholder" or make it in the "ears of the beholder" and both very, very subjective.  You ain't the gospel unless it's in The Bible.

Now I read somewhere about the money back guarantee you have which is good for the buyers.
If indeed these wired state products are worthy of praise then congratulations are in order Francis Sogono!

IIRC, there are products by Rene and other hobbyists too who may or may not be active on these forums and may not be as eloquent or well funded as some of you.

No flames here again for the newbies you have every right to ask no matter how dumb or trivial your questions may be because the customer is always right!
If they don't reaxct properly like a so called challenge then we can take our business elsewhere.

In the end like all other transactions... Caveat Emptor or buyers beware.  No matter how little the profit, bottomline it still is a business.

My spade.

oh, thanks for the lecture, and yes we continue to be hobbyist first of all...but at the rate it's going, this can be a business too... would you like to invest?  maybe when we start to make money, we can then form our own company...

oh and by the way,  i agree with you totally, audio is subjective...if people buy them, it's because they have heard it and liked it...so i assume tehy like it.

since you called out my name, are you gentleman enough to also reveal your name?  or would you like to remain "anonymous" behind "boobtube".   let me guess?  you must indeed be an audiophile in the business, right?  

with all due respect to rene, i wouldn't really call Rene a hobbyist.  he is a master craftsman and probably the best in the local industry who also happens to have a good ear and is a businessman.  no wonder you get confused.  by the way, he has auditioned the preamp and likes it (at least that's what he tells us face to face).

okay, so can you let us know your name and meet us in person?   maybe you can lecture us some more?  ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: botching on Dec 13, 2003 at 03:35 PM
I think some of your remarks are uncalled for sir boobtube. I think the guys from WS have explained properly and throughly about the points your are trying to clarify. Theyre not trying to misled anybody into anything. Lets keep our cool. Its ok to disagree on issues but there no need to go further than that. Were just here to share our thoughts, experiences, and help each other in our hobby. The WS preamp is a cheap great sounding gear according to those who have heard or owned them. Im sure these guys at WS diy team did not expect this preamp to sell this much but the preamp is selling very well. WS diy team is a group of hobbyist  whether they become a business entity later because their products soon sells well is I think a good thing. Sooner there will be distribution, materials sourcing, assembly other logistics problems that these guys will face or facing now. So whats wrong if the WS diy team did indeed later become a business entity ? If by doing so they could produce better nicely priced product, it will us the consumers wholl benefits from this.
We should be proud that there are guys who are making  pinoy design and made audio gear. The WS team or any local producer of audio gear needs our support and patronage. I think we should be optimistic and supportive in our views especially regarding pinoy made products rather than questioning their intentions and motives on making the product.
Im now here in saudi arabia and Ive ordered one preamp based on your reviews though I never heard one. I buy this preamp coz I also believe in the pinoy talent and that I also happen to be a patriotic man. That we pinoy can also make a world class product. That we pinoys are capable of creating much more than canned bagoongs and tuyo in plastics. It will be coming here in january and I already talked with some hifi shops who agreed to test this preamp and put them on demo side by side with other international brands..  Ill put up posters on walls where pinoy hangouts so that they will know such product is available for them to hear. That when they go back to the phils for vacation its available there. When I come back after my vacation this coming april Ill take some more of their audio gear with me for other pinoy here to hear.
 What will I get from what Im doing ? NOTHING! My reward will come when I will hear other pinoy say   ganda ng tunog  pinoy pa or an american will say  is that really a filipino made gear? There dont have to be a selfish or material reason to everything we do nor there should always be a  bottomline.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 13, 2003 at 04:52 PM
first of all, my apologies to all those who felt i have come on quite strongly in some of my statements...that's just me - passionate.

perhaps a little background may help some folks as to who we are at the DIY team at wiredstate.com

the DIY-hard members are 5.  

what's common is our passion for audio - designing, creating and sharing our knowledege with others.  we have a simple vision:  to create quality pinoy audio products that we can all be proud of internationally.  our pride is when pinoys will be known and recognized in foreign lands to have quality and good-sounding products and designs...and actually buy and use them!

by the way, for our amps and preamps, the transformers are hand-wound by pinoys, the designs made by pinoys, chassis made by pinoys, assembled by pinoys, quality-checked and auditioned by pinoys....

are we after earning some money for these products later on?  of course, so we can pay local craftsmen the right and competitive wages and improve their way of life AND fund our other projects.   we sold the 2a3 kits at below cost of parts.  our WS preamp is one of the lowest if not the lowest-cost assembled preamps in the world with NOS and premium parts.  are we crazy?  maybe...  who do you think subsidizes the R&D, marketing and support?  who else, but us.  we all have careers that pay us a thousand times over, so why do it?

more than anything else, the pride of having a truly successful worldclass pinoy product is what we're after.  our biggest profits are the words of thanks, encouragement and satisfaction from our customers and friends....our accomplishment should also be the local audiophile communities' accomplishment.

perhaps we're dreamers, but do not fault us for at least taking the first step...

mabuhay and pinoy!  kaya natin yan!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 13, 2003 at 05:25 PM
botching,

maraming salamat for sharing our vision for the pinoy.

may your tribe increase!

                                from the WS DIY team...

ps.  btw, your brother will pick-up the unit on weds or thurs, so i gave it a run-in in my system....sounds pretty good, am sure hindi ka mapapahiya (sana!)....also, this preamp uses NOS sylvania 12au7s.... you can tube-roll and try-out other exotic 12au7s...ambel at pinoydiophiles has good experience with telefunken 12au7s and i have good experience with rca cleartops...your choice.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 13, 2003 at 06:19 PM
we have 11 units with me now here in alabang...those among you who wish to get them here, please let me know asap...

the rest will be delivered monday to architectural audio...

 
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 13, 2003 at 06:49 PM
my apologies to weimanwei (boobtube at pinoydiophiles)...apparently, his handle was used here at pinoydvd...so there you are, boobtube at pinoydvd is a fake....

hopefully, we can trace the IP address of boobtube at pinoydvd with the help of Pinoydvd administrators and match it up with someone we already know...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Dec 13, 2003 at 10:30 PM
There are no real guarantees that being a so-called "hobbyist" makes it better than the rest.  I am a audiophile too.  Can you say, we're building this for the upliftment of audio in the Philippines?   Audio is like beauty " in the eyes of the beholder" or make it in the "ears of the beholder" and both very, very subjective.  You ain't the gospel unless it's in The Bible.

Now I read somewhere about the money back guarantee you have which is good for the buyers.
If indeed these wired state products are worthy of praise then congratulations are in order wiredstate team!

IIRC, there are products by Rene and other hobbyists too who may or may not be active on these forums and may not be as eloquent or well funded as some of you.

No flames here again for the newbies you have every right to ask no matter how dumb or trivial your questions may be because the customer is always right!
If they don't reaxct properly like a so called challenge then we can take our business elsewhere.

In the end like all other transactions... Caveat Emptor or buyers beware.  No matter how little the profit, bottomline it still is a business.

My spade.

Im sorry I have to edit your post. Please be careful with your posting. This is your first and  last Warning!

mod levi

 I appreciated that they designed this preamp. It gives a chance for the newbies and not so newbies to own a good sounding but affordable gear. They are not cheating anyone with false claims, infact they are using the best parts possible. Even Rene told me that its a winner preamp and he owns one.  If you are an audiophile, you would know how expensive audio gears. For whatever reason they have to build this projects, no one is being forced to buy. It is upto the buyer to audition it and decide. Just my 1 cent .
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 13, 2003 at 10:39 PM
a reminder lang po to those who are planning of stirring troubles here:

this is how things like these are being done (i mean tracing)
(nagmamagaling na naman po ako - eheheh   ;D ;D ;D );

layman's term
-get the pinoydvd logs
-check the login name of the users that particular time
-check the ip address of "who used what"
-check the name of the ISP who gave the ip address of "who used what"
-ask the ISP (who assigned that ip address) who this user is (during that specific time)... that is, if the ISP is willing
-voila! and gotcha!

Technically, a lot of things have to be done to do things like these... the point is, it is not really that difficult to trace your roots... especially if the admin has the resources.

ingat mga tsong, there are even tools out there that can be used to trace a user's identity without even going through the ISP.  kakatakot ano? heheh ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: listener on Dec 13, 2003 at 11:17 PM
2.  the WS integrated amp is really a 10wpc amp with a passive preamp section.  net, it is like an amp but with a volume control.  the WS intamp does not have the same power rating as most receivers, so will may need efficient speakers.  

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there will still be only 1 and only 1 preamp stage in a WS preamp + WS  integrated amp combo.  the preamp (gain stage) is provided by the WS preamp.  the passive device (potentiometer) is exactly that, passive, that is, not proviing any gain at all, thus technically not a preamp stage.  the term "passive preamp" is an audiophile term referring generally to a potentiometer used to control "volume", but does NOT provide any gain.

kanina you described the WS integrated as "a 10wpc amp with a passive preamp section".  now its only an amp with a "passive device" na lang. biglang nawala na yung word na preamp kasi sabi mo "technically"  its not a preamp...volume control na lang sya.  later on siguro you will describe the WS Integrated amp as the WS Amp w/ volume pot.
sige...sabi mo e. I dont want to discuss this anymore.

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if you still can't understand, i invite you to sit down with us and we will show you the design and theory behind what we are saying here.  at max setting of the potentiometer, the signal directly passes through the grid of the driver tube and the 100k potentiomener acts as a fixed resistor to ground.  this design makes it an amp, thus at this setting there is only one active preamp stage and not two.

no need to sit down with your group sir and to listen to your lectures about preamps.  I wont waste my time doing so because I already have a clear and concise idea of what a preamp is and how it works and besides  this subject is very subjective so I doubt it very much that we will agree on the same thing.

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have you seen our design for you to question what we are claiming?  

so before you make your statement and insinuations about us not calling a spade a spade, better consult with us first and validate what we are saying.  please note that we are hobbyists more than businessmen, and we are doing these projects to spread  tube sound to more folks.

why would I consult with you before posting a statement?  Who made you the audio guru of the Philippines?  If you say that you are doing this for the advancement of Audio here in the Philippines before profit then good for you Vintage Dog. Sabi mo eh

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also,  i do not need to advertise any of our products.  you will note that the product sells itself.  if you are here to question our credibility, better back-up your words or be prepared to confront us face to face.

strong words ha!  tsk tsk tsk... just because little old me posted something you didnt like.  hey Mod Levi...how come posts like these dont get deleted and/or edited? How come the post of Mr. Boobtube was edited?    hmmmm  ::)

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hopefully, we can trace the IP address of boobtube at pinoydvd with the help of Pinoydvd administrators and match it up with someone we already know...

I am NOT boobtube sir. kahit pa-trace mo pa sa mga mods.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: listener on Dec 13, 2003 at 11:21 PM
a reminder lang po to those who are planning of stirring troubles here:

ingat mga tsong, there are even tools out there that can be used to trace a user's identity without even going through the ISP.  kakatakot ano? heheh ;D ;D ;D

yukon

sir, I am not stirring trouble. discussion lang ito.  If I get banned from this site because I merely wanted to discuss certain issues then so be it. bawal na yatang kumontra at mag raise ng question dito sa site na ito eh.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: listener on Dec 13, 2003 at 11:39 PM
I appreciated that they designed this preamp. It gives a chance for the newbies and not so newbies to own a good sounding but affordable gear. They are not cheating anyone with false claims, infact they are using the best parts possible. Even Rene told me that its a winner preamp and he owns one.  If you are an audiophile, you would know how expensive audio gears. For whatever reason they have to build this projects, no one is being forced to buy. It is upto the buyer to audition it and decide. Just my 1 cent .

mod levi, if you review all my posts re this subject matter im quite sure you will not find the word cheating and false claims.  I for one didnt accuse them as such. Meron lang sigurong konting misunderstanding in certain aspects of the WS product and how it works.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 13, 2003 at 11:48 PM
kanina you described the WS integrated as "a 10wpc amp with a passive preamp section".  now its only an amp with a "passive device" na lang. biglang nawala na yung word na preamp kasi sabi mo "technically"  its not a preamp...volume control na lang sya.  later on siguro you will describe the WS Integrated amp as the WS Amp w/ volume pot.

the WS integrated is what we described:  "a 10wpc amp with a passive preamp section" and yes it is really a WS amp with a volume pot.

a passive preamp IS really a volume pot...that's what we have been telling you all along.  read back my previous posts.   you seen to have problems reading plain and simple english.

you refuse to admit it but you do NOT understand what preamps are.  are you aware that there are two types:

1. active, just like the WS preamp.  active means, it has a gain stage.

2. passive..no gain stage, just a potentiometer or volume control...that is what is in the WS integrated amp.

I am not sure why you still can't get that simple definition.    







Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: listener on Dec 13, 2003 at 11:58 PM
the WS integrated is what we described:  "a 10wpc amp with a passive preamp section" and yes it is really a WS amp with a volume pot.

a passive preamp IS really a volume pot...that's what we have been telling you all along.  read back my previous posts.   you seen to have problems reading plain and simple english.

you refuse to admit it but you do NOT understand what preamps are.  are you aware that there are two types:

1. active, just like the WS preamp.  active means, it has a gain stage.

2. passive..no gain stage, just a potentiometer or volume control...that is what is in the WS integrated amp.

I am not sure why you still can't get that.



as I said earlier...i dont want to discuss this anymore sir.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Dec 14, 2003 at 12:02 AM
mod levi, if you review all my posts re this subject matter im quite sure you will not find the word cheating and false claims.  I for one didnt accuse them as such. Meron lang sigurong konting misunderstanding in certain aspects of the WS product and how it works.

Im sorry hindi ikaw ang kausap ko.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 14, 2003 at 12:06 AM
why would I consult with you before posting a statement?
oh simple:  so you don't make a fool of yourself by making   inaccurate statements and showing your ignorance.

 Who made you the audio guru of the Philippines?
oh by the way, we are not gurus.  we are just a bunch of crazy guys who design tube electronics for a hobby and create something which pinoys could be proud of.  does that bother you?  if yes, post somewhere else.

I wont waste my time doing so because I already have a clear and concise idea of what a preamp is and how it works
hahaha, no you DON'T understand preamps.  wake up man...you can't even distinguish between active and passive preamps


listener,

i really don't care whether you agree with what we're doing or not, just don't question our credibility without any basis.  when you made a statement for us to call a "spade a spade", you are implying we are misrepresenting.  that's how this all started.  please be careful next time with what you say and write, because we will always standby and back-up our statements and claims with proof.

i ask you to delete your original post (Reply #448 on: Dec 12, 2003 at 11:00 PM).  if you do, we will take that as a gesture of apology.  if not, we consider your statement as an ongoing insult to our team and we take personal offence to that.

francis for the wiredstate DIY team
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 14, 2003 at 02:32 AM
yukon

sir, I am not stirring trouble. discussion lang ito.  If I get banned from this site because I merely wanted to discuss certain issues then so be it. bawal na yatang kumontra at mag raise ng question dito sa site na ito eh.

My post goes for everybody sir listener... please don't feel bad about that one.  Frankly speaking I (and most probably the whole membership) would welcome your posts... I can see that your posts are... hhmmm already around 200... ibig sabihin luma ka na rin dito.

Hindi bawal ang mag-raise ng question, at lalong-lalo nang hindi bawal ang kumontra... it's just clear as the light of day na bawal ang mang-insulto.

Ang pagkontra is even healthy for the forum, at least may nagtsa-challenge to somewhat balance the force... even if preferably I (or is it we) like it that way.  I mean the way I see it, kung merong may hindi gusto or maintindihan sa isang product, they just plainly ask.  Pag medyo may nakanti (whoever they are), nag-a-apologize yong person inquiring... medyo nagpapa-cute (heheh). And that's it, tapos ang usapan at nasagot ang inquiry - everybody's happy.

I have been observing this, thrice na yata, na pag ang intention is to insult somebody, they register a new account name and do their not-so-nice posts using the newly registered name.

God bless us all... and more power to PinoyDVD!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 14, 2003 at 05:45 AM
 when iceman brought his receiver at home for a listen, frankly i was surprised how the WS preamp transformed it into a musical machine, i see no compelling need for someone to change his receiver set-up into something else...


and that was an experience i'm sure all the guys there consider unforgettable. made doubly so by the Voigt's of Mr Ike  :D

i think we still don't know if we should thank you for letting us hear them - or hate you for showing us how inadequate our speakers are  ;D

in fact last thursday while I was at Superman's place to take pictures of the preamp, we were listening to a particular track and i voiced out what was apparently on both our minds "Man, this song would sound great on the Voigt's!!!"

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Dec 14, 2003 at 11:54 AM

what's common is our passion for audio - designing, creating and sharing our knowledege with others.  we have a simple vision:  to create quality pinoy audio products that we can all be proud of internationally.  our pride is when pinoys will be known and recognized in foreign lands to have quality and good-sounding products and designs...and actually buy and use them!

by the way, for our amps and preamps, the transformers are hand-wound by pinoys, the designs made by pinoys, chassis made by pinoys, assembled by pinoys, quality-checked and auditioned by pinoys....




AMEN TO THIS! :)
MABUHAY TALAGA ANG PINOY!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: boobtube on Dec 14, 2003 at 02:55 PM
There are no real guarantees that being a so-called "hobbyist" makes it better than the rest.  I am a audiophile too.  Can you say, we're building this for the upliftment of audio in the Philippines?   Audio is like beauty " in the eyes of the beholder" or make it in the "ears of the beholder" and both very, very subjective.  You ain't the gospel unless it's in The Bible.

Now I read somewhere about the money back guarantee you have which is good for the buyers.
If indeed these wired state products are worthy of praise then congratulations are in order wiredstate team!

IIRC, there are products by Rene and other hobbyists too who may or may not be active on these forums and may not be as eloquent or well funded as some of you.

No flames here again for the newbies you have every right to ask no matter how dumb or trivial your questions may be because the customer is always right!
If they don't reaxct properly like a so called challenge then we can take our business elsewhere.

In the end like all other transactions... Caveat Emptor or buyers beware.  No matter how little the profit, bottomline it still is a business.

My spade.

Im sorry I have to edit your post. Please be careful with your posting. This is your first and  last Warning!

mod levi

1) Just because this was my first post doesn't mean I am bashing anyone.  I am a member of this forum and have been lurking for quite almost 2 years now.  I also run my own site Mr. Yukon.
2) Now what did I say wrong then in my post to merit an edit?Or a warning?!?  Please be fair Mod Levi.
3) The one who has been pointing fingers has been VD (shhhhh we can't say his name or we stand to be edited) no less and blaming some poor lass. VD even edited his post 3 times. I am glad you sold as much units as close to both our ages. Yes I am also an original member of the Tuesday Club.  Lest you speak that highly in front of us.  Your meak manners in front of us does not reflect you today on the forums. I wonder why?
4) The point I am trying to drive at is when people question, please do not snap at them.  These are young newbies.  Remember when you first started out? We are all happy at your efforts in the Audio community (who are closer to your age) and protecting the would be buyers.  The gospel may be said by the other 11 disciples also, diba???

Anyways, lets all be calm.  No one is trying to misrepresent the boobtube at pinoydiophiles.  It was merely a coincidence.

Good day and I'm sure your group will break the 50 unit sales soon.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 14, 2003 at 04:01 PM
3) The one who has been pointing fingers has been VD (shhhhh we can't say his name or we stand to be edited) no less and blaming some poor lass. VD even edited his post 3 times. I am glad you sold as much units as close to both our ages. Yes I am also an original member of the Tuesday Club.  Lest you speak that highly in front of us.  Your meak manners in front of us does not reflect you today on the forums. I wonder why?

boobtube,

- be more specific as to how i've been pointing fingers at anyone.  again, it's so easy for you to blame and throw mud at someone huh.  your style?

- "VD even edited his post 3 times."  what a lie...i don't have admin rights to edit anyone else's post here.  so again, please do not blame me for something i did not do.   another cheap tactic to discredit me...this should be enough to ban you here.

- if you were bold enough to call out my name in your first post ever, why did you not sign your name as well.  are you hiding anything?  or just comfortable "speaking out your mind"  and making sarcastic comments only when no one could identify you...that's sneaky...

- oh, and by the way, am less than 50, so from your statement "I am glad you sold as much units as close to both our ages", you are not even born then.   another cheap shot....sorry.

- by the way, from your statements, you seem to condone people questioning credibility of other people (like what listener did), and now you feel pissed that i have to defend myself.   that speaks well of your values.   so before you judge me, look in the mirror on what you are doing too. am glad, you remain anonymous in these forums.

- "The point I am trying to drive at is when people question, please do not snap at them."...please review all my past posts and see how i have always answered questions of anyone (both newbies and oldies) to the best of my limited ability and knowledge...the only time i "snapped" is when listener started insinuating we were misrepresenting our claim on the WS integrated amp.  that amigo is NOT something i can take quietly and meekly...  age has nothing to do with it too.  it's a matter of principle.  

- "Your meek manners in front of us does not reflect you today on the forums. I wonder why?"...frankly nothing much has changed...my values haven't changed, perhaps only my age and hearing have changed.  but, i morph into someone else when our credibility is challenged without any basis....(and i admit that in all honesty).

- "Yes I am also an original member of the Tuesday Club".  if this is indeed true, then this makes me very sad.  as i review your original post, i couldn't believe it comes from someone whom i may have known and enjoyed good audio times before...is that how you normally treat people you know?  how sad.  i guess times have really changed...how sad indeed.

francis aka vintage_dog.  oh, by the way, if you have been bold enough to post here, you can even be bolder and call me at 0917-621-5056.  i'll be waiting...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: RU9 on Dec 14, 2003 at 10:02 PM
Why do we call metal boxes with knobs that are filled with little do-dads like audio-taper volume controls and input selector switches, "passive pre-amplifiers"? The adjective "passive" is a misnomer when it is intended to modify the noun "pre-amplifier" because in audio, nothing is truly passive. Same goes for the word "pre-amplifier". If the metal box has no gain stages why do we call it an "amplifier"? Where is the amplification? And "pre"? What is it going before? It goes after the source and before the amplifier. So isn't it really an, "in-between"? Why not be accurate and call these things "audio control units" or some such?

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0102/preamplifiers.htm
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 14, 2003 at 10:19 PM
"Why do we call metal boxes with knobs that are filled with little do-dads like audio-taper volume controls and input selector switches, "passive pre-amplifiers"? The adjective "passive" is a misnomer when it is intended to modify the noun "pre-amplifier" because in audio, nothing is truly passive. Same goes for the word "pre-amplifier". If the metal box has no gain stages why do we call it an "amplifier"? Where is the amplification? And "pre"? What is it going before? It goes after the source and before the amplifier. So isn't it really an, "in-between"? Why not be accurate and call these things "audio control units" or some such? "

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0102/preamplifiers.htm

(i put a quote on the paragraph on your message to let folks know that the paragraph comes from an article...")

am not sure if the author answered his own questions...but another interpretation of "pre-amp" is "pre"  means "before"....thus, pre-amp means "before the amp".

indeed the word "passive preamp" is a misnomer, but that's what the audiophile community has been used to....

also, "passive" in audio is often used to mean  "not-powered"...same term used for passive subwoofers.  thus a "passive pre-amp" is a term that literally could mean "a non-powered device before the amp that controls gain"...

hope this helps...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Dec 14, 2003 at 10:39 PM
1) Just because this was my first post doesn't mean I am bashing anyone.  I am a member of this forum and have been lurking for quite almost 2 years now.  I also run my own site Mr. Yukon.
2) Now what did I say wrong then in my post to merit an edit?Or a warning?!?  Please be fair Mod Levi.
3) The one who has been pointing fingers has been VD (shhhhh we can't say his name or we stand to be edited) no less and blaming some poor lass. VD even edited his post 3 times. I am glad you sold as much units as close to both our ages. Yes I am also an original member of the Tuesday Club.  Lest you speak that highly in front of us.  Your meak manners in front of us does not reflect you today on the forums. I wonder why?
4) The point I am trying to drive at is when people question, please do not snap at them.  These are young newbies.  Remember when you first started out? We are all happy at your efforts in the Audio community (who are closer to your age) and protecting the would be buyers.  The gospel may be said by the other 11 disciples also, diba???

Anyways, lets all be calm.  No one is trying to misrepresent the boobtube at pinoydiophiles.  It was merely a coincidence.

Good day and I'm sure your group will break the 50 unit sales soon.

I dont know who are you but if you think Im unfair you can also call me thru 09175373837. Member of Tuesday Club? Who?

I am following this good thread, infact I am the one who started it.  I was able to purchase one of the product and I know how good it is. I want  others to have a chance to know more about the projects and at the same time have  good discussions. If ever I share my personal experience with the product, I do it as a member of PinoyDVD and not as the mod of this topic. If you will follow the chronological order of event you will know why I have to edit your post. I just removed the specific name and changed it with a more general term. Warning must be given to avoid making the problem bigger. I assure you that it was done in my own discretion even if Im also a member of wiredstate and an owner of their product. When VD informed me that someone singled out his name, I decided to check the board and in my own judgement, I think that it would be better to edit your post minimally. I dont see anything wrong with that. I know some of the people behind the wiredstate team and I know that they do this for fun, improvement of audio, gives chance for others to enjoy tubes at a minimum price and of course at the same time earn something for the effort. I dont see anything wrong with that but it just so happened that, what they got is a warning that the buyers must be careful when buying. With all the effort, time and money they are giving plus the quality products they are producing and the guarantee they are giving, I dont think they even deserve a warning. The buyers are already aware if ever they decide to buy a product.  
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Dec 14, 2003 at 11:12 PM
Why do we call metal boxes with knobs that are filled with little do-dads like audio-taper volume controls and input selector switches, "passive pre-amplifiers"? The adjective "passive" is a misnomer when it is intended to modify the noun "pre-amplifier" because in audio, nothing is truly passive. Same goes for the word "pre-amplifier". If the metal box has no gain stages why do we call it an "amplifier"? Where is the amplification? And "pre"? What is it going before? It goes after the source and before the amplifier. So isn't it really an, "in-between"? Why not be accurate and call these things "audio control units" or some such?

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0102/preamplifiers.htm

   Whatever you call it, i think there is a common understanding with the meaning of passive and active. It has been that way ever since. My own understanding is this. Let us compare it to our water system. A passive preamp is like a gate valve. It controls the water passing thru it but doesnt alter anything. The only thing it does is the volume of water allowed to pass thru. If you open it to the max, then you have a 100 percent flow which is also similar to the max volume of a passive preamp. The signal flow is 100 percent. An active preamp is like the water station. It adds Chlorine and other stuff that can alter the water and at the same time, it has its own gate valve that will control the volume of water that will flow. If you connect the gate valve after the water station, then it still has no effect on water except for the flow of volume of water. Same thing with active preamp being in series with an integrated amp with a passive preamp. The signal will be altered by the active preamp then pass thru its built in volume control then interconnect then enters the passive preamp of the integrated amp. In this stage the only thing it will do is adjust the volume but will not alter the sound anymore. If you max the volume, the only thing that will happen is a 100 percent flow of signal. I hope I was able to help. thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 14, 2003 at 11:25 PM
Thanks for your patience folks, we finally met all our order backlogs!

Two (2) extra units will be available on a "first come first served" basis at Architectural Audio by early afternoon Monday.   At least 10 more units will be available this weekend.  From hereon, no reservations are required.

the following folks with reserved units can pick-up their preamps at Arch Audio tomorrow:
- akyatbundok
- audionubie
- arnel90 (new chassis with label)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 15, 2003 at 01:00 AM
VD,

Sent you PM.  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 15, 2003 at 09:09 AM
wow,

with just two days of not logging-in the fourm, i missed a lot...sir V_D, i would have answered back the same way...but guys, it's CHRISTMAS time...peace to all...si saddam nahuli na...

superman 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 15, 2003 at 09:36 AM
hi guys!

here are the pictures of the "Tono" Wiredstate Tube Pre-Amplifier with the new chassis and the silkscreened labels:

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RQAAAIQUiM0lruaOtHyh4L504HbuMSda6bIzYrrq1IC7thG502d5Tmi*XFwjBoqUT2Jzy7AB7hNYHtvHUY2QEUHmnMAMEmqrxuVuqJZQiAQ/WS-preamp.jpg?dc=4675451333958618539)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RQDOAuwUQeiJyqqtTIiC3330VvmJz2UTc9AyCE40dDPRyHSR6BhXdDeqplwa*!MSa76oCf9GvO2Z*gOSbZ0RwoRTfHX1btAvxuwzb!nWYjQ/pre_under.jpg?dc=4675451332964476775)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RQDVAvcUueoZAqhA5H7NzyizBsOg!jUpBv!vxTE5kfZGLp*kHT3!GzkLvFa4cZcHoAbgpAkHkHITpkCIdLynnHDUKLVQnior27n277yi**g/pre_front.jpg?dc=4675451333062777442)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwDjAhkURrBp07Mpfbxju*DZP2Pq0HE!naznkAOWhNOVTTFt33S1xDCeC94XIHz140x7d!7HTTsPkR6eDMy1YxR9zgu!8zHi14TTPWkS438/pre_iso.jpg?dc=4675451333129292169)

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/DSC01114.JPG)

thanks!...merry christmas to all! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 15, 2003 at 10:10 AM
Naks! Professional ang kuha ah  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sebman on Dec 15, 2003 at 10:12 AM
oo nga.. ganda kuha...thanks superman for providing the pix..   ;)  :D  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 15, 2003 at 10:20 AM
Pre,

you forgot to show the back  :)

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/DSC01114.JPG)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 15, 2003 at 10:50 AM
thanks for posting the pics...

two 'tono' units will be available at AA this PM....

at least 10 more coming this week-end!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 15, 2003 at 10:51 AM
Superman,

Neat!!  ;D

Puwede kayang pa upgrade ng chassis yung mga may previous releases?  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: symon on Dec 15, 2003 at 10:55 AM
Ganda!!! can't wait to get mine. :) BTW, to everyone in Pinoydvd - Peace!!! It's the season to be merry!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 15, 2003 at 11:11 AM
Happy holidays!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 15, 2003 at 11:29 AM
1) Just because this was my first post doesn't mean I am bashing anyone.  I am a member of this forum and have been lurking for quite almost 2 years now.  I also run my own site Mr. Yukon.
2) Now what did I say wrong then in my post to merit an edit?Or a warning?!?  Please be fair Mod Levi.
3) The one who has been pointing fingers has been VD (shhhhh we can't say his name or we stand to be edited) no less and blaming some poor lass. VD even edited his post 3 times. I am glad you sold as much units as close to both our ages. Yes I am also an original member of the Tuesday Club.  Lest you speak that highly in front of us.  Your meak manners in front of us does not reflect you today on the forums. I wonder why?
4) The point I am trying to drive at is when people question, please do not snap at them.  These are young newbies.  Remember when you first started out? We are all happy at your efforts in the Audio community (who are closer to your age) and protecting the would be buyers.  The gospel may be said by the other 11 disciples also, diba???

Anyways, lets all be calm.  No one is trying to misrepresent the boobtube at pinoydiophiles.  It was merely a coincidence.

Good day and I'm sure your group will break the 50 unit sales soon.

Haaahay, sana magkabati-bati na lang tayong lahat.

It's true that we all have to be very careful with the products we buy...  but I have audiotioned these WS gears (esp the preamp) 3 times (on three different occasions, in three different places, and in more than 8 different setups) before the purchase. My verdict is; it really sounds a lot more heavenly (if that's the best term for a preamp) compared to other preamps "considering the price" and of course its musicality.

Merry Christmas Boobtube!!!
Merry Christmas Listener!!!
Merry Christmas sir VD and Mod Levi!!!
(sa totoo lang mga mababait na tao 'to sila Francis and Levi)...
(as for Boobtube and Listener, di ko pa kayo nami-meet -- why not join one of our listening sessions or EBs?....)
Merry Christmas everybody!!!
Peace...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 15, 2003 at 12:16 PM
Yukon,

Merry christmas pre!!  :D :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: botching on Dec 15, 2003 at 12:36 PM
merry christmas to all pinoydvd dudes, the WS team, especially mod levi , vintage dog, listener and boobtube :)
and as the arab people would say, assalam allaikum !
(peace be with you)  :)   :)    :)

from all saudi boys

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 15, 2003 at 12:47 PM
Yukon,

Merry christmas pre!!  :D :D


o...kiss muna...mano sa lolo...merry christmas to all, hehehehehe! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 15, 2003 at 01:01 PM
Superman,

Pamasko ko muna po lolo.. ;D ;D teka OT tayo..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 15, 2003 at 01:50 PM
got my 'tono' this lunch break, and met vintage_dog at archi audio along with james and nico... nice to meet you sir francis!!  i agree with yukon, mabait yan si sir francis... thanks for clarifying all our questions.  james oks na oks yan tambayan mo, nakaka-SARS dyan hehe...  ;D ;D

the proof is in the pudding... can't wait to get home to try it out... yahhooo!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sebman on Dec 15, 2003 at 02:06 PM
got my 'tono' this lunch break, and met vintage_dog at archi audio along with james and nico... nice to meet you sir francis!!  i agree with yukon, mabait yan si sir francis... thanks for clarifying all our questions.  james oks na oks yan tambayan mo, nakaka-SARS dyan hehe...  ;D ;D

the proof is in the pudding... can't wait to get home to try it out... yahhooo!!!


pre congrats sa bago mong toy... makadaan minsan sa condo mo para mapakinggan ko din yang WS preamp..  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 15, 2003 at 02:06 PM

the proof is in the pudding... can't wait to get home to try it out... yahhooo!!!


actually its "the proof of the pudding is in the eating..."  :)

ayan na naman, nagsisimula na naman ako ng gulo hehehe

ganda ng Christmas natin this year, sigurado punong puno ng music ang mga bahay natin...

recommended Christmas album: Linda Eder - Christmas Stays the Same... specially track no. 5 "Do you hear what i hear... GALING!!"

di na ba tayo maulit kina Superman?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 15, 2003 at 02:15 PM
actually its "the proof of the pudding is in the eating..."  :)

ayan na naman, nagsisimula na naman ako ng gulo hehehe

ay onga hehe... mag quote lang ako mali pa hehe... kay don quixote di plancha...  ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 15, 2003 at 02:33 PM
got my 'tono' this lunch break, and met vintage_dog at archi audio along with james and nico... nice to meet you sir francis!!  i agree with yukon, mabait yan si sir francis... thanks for clarifying all our questions.  james oks na oks yan tambayan mo, nakaka-SARS dyan hehe...  ;D ;D

the proof is in the pudding... can't wait to get home to try it out... yahhooo!!!


pare, congrats!

at least you were able to get it agad...enjoy! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 15, 2003 at 02:33 PM
Congrats akyatbundok!! Lufet mo talaga... may ws preamp na... may darating pang sony surplus amp.  :o  :o  :o
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 15, 2003 at 02:36 PM
actually its "the proof of the pudding is in the eating..."  :)

ayan na naman, nagsisimula na naman ako ng gulo hehehe

ganda ng Christmas natin this year, sigurado punong puno ng music ang mga bahay natin...

recommended Christmas album: Linda Eder - Christmas Stays the Same... specially track no. 5 "Do you hear what i hear... GALING!!"

di na ba tayo maulit kina Superman?


hi guys!

kelan niyo gusto??? jungle bells ang magandang pampasko!!!...hehehehe! pati burn in na rin ng speakers..

the stacey kent christmas album is also great!!! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 15, 2003 at 02:42 PM
hi guys!

kelan niyo gusto??? jungle bells ang magandang pampasko!!!...hehehehe! pati burn in na rin ng speakers..

the stacey kent christmas album is also great!!! 8)

bakit di ko nakita yang Stacey Kent????? tinago mo no?
 ;D ;D ;D Pre, friend, kaibigan... baka naman pwede...  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 15, 2003 at 02:49 PM
Superman,

Where di you get that? I was trying to look for it for quite sometime now.  Planning on getting Michael Buble's christmas album also... although 6 tracks lang ata.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 15, 2003 at 02:57 PM
bakit di ko nakita yang Stacey Kent????? tinago mo no?
 ;D ;D ;D Pre, friend, kaibigan... baka naman pwede...  ;D

secret, hehehehehe!...will try to remember...dami ko pinuntahan kahapon, di ko maalala...at masyadong madamdamin ang buhay ko kahapon kaya di ko talaga maalala...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 15, 2003 at 02:58 PM
bakit di ko nakita yang Stacey Kent????? tinago mo no?
 ;D ;D ;D Pre, friend, kaibigan... baka naman pwede...  ;D

Superman,

Where di you get that? I was trying to look for it for quite sometime now.  Planning on getting Michael Buble's christmas album also... although 6 tracks lang ata.

secret, hehehehehe!...will try to remember...dami ko pinuntahan kahapon, di ko maalala...at masyadong madamdamin ang buhay ko kahapon kaya di ko talaga maalala...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 15, 2003 at 03:12 PM
bro,

Please do imform me... I'd really like to have one.  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: geko on Dec 15, 2003 at 03:19 PM
hi guys!

kelan niyo gusto??? jungle bells ang magandang pampasko!!!...hehehehe! pati burn in na rin ng speakers..

the stacey kent christmas album is also great!!! 8)

uuuyyyy...  mukhang magkakaroon ng christmas party, ah...  sama ako!!!   ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 15, 2003 at 03:19 PM
my favorite xmas album ever came out in the 80's... kahit september pa lang play ko na 'to sa kotse... kaso i lost it or somebody probably borrowed it... wanna buy it again sana.

- bruce springsteen
- sting
- U2
- chrissie hynde / the pretenders
- alyson moyet

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002GFJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

teka... OT na yata...  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 15, 2003 at 03:31 PM
bro,

Please do imform me... I'd really like to have one.  ;D

OT...as soon as ma-remember ko, i'll PM you...thanks! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 15, 2003 at 03:32 PM
uuuyyyy...  mukhang magkakaroon ng christmas party, ah...  sama ako!!!   ;D

yup, let's plan...pag-usapan natin...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 15, 2003 at 04:26 PM
Superman,

Thanks! ;D

OT...as soon as ma-remember ko, i'll PM you...thanks! 8)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 15, 2003 at 05:36 PM
yup, let's plan...pag-usapan natin...thanks!  8)

bago tayo ma-ban dahil sa OT, dito na lang kayo palista...
 ;D
http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=17761 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=17761)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 15, 2003 at 05:42 PM
bago tayo ma-ban dahil sa OT, dito na lang kayo palista...
 ;D
http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=17761 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=17761)


agree ako diyan!!... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Dec 16, 2003 at 07:22 AM
Congrats akyatbundok!! Lufet mo talaga... may ws preamp na... may darating pang sony surplus amp.  :o  :o  :o


congrats akyat, nagkasabay pa tayo papuntang archi audio ah....

it was also nice meeting sir vintage_dog  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 16, 2003 at 08:56 AM
Superman,

Kailan ba maulit?? sana morning naman hehehe..  

Akyat,

Congrats sa WS preamp mo! welcome to the club hehehe.. balik tayo kina Superman..

Iceman,

Agree dapat maulit muli...


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 16, 2003 at 09:26 AM
Yukon,

Merry christmas pre!!  :D :D

Hans, Maligayang Pasko!... hohoho
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 16, 2003 at 09:31 AM
Superman,

Kailan ba maulit?? sana morning naman hehehe..  

Akyat,

Congrats sa WS preamp mo! welcome to the club hehehe.. balik tayo kina Superman..

Iceman,

Agree dapat maulit muli...






...sana maulit muli...let me know your preferred sked...dun na lang sa thread sa pinoydvd offline...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 16, 2003 at 09:32 AM
Yukon,

Happy new year!!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 16, 2003 at 09:58 AM
Yukon,

Merry christmas pre!!  :D :D

Hans, Maligayang Pasko!... hohoho

At Manigong Bagong Taon !!! hohoho ulit!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 16, 2003 at 10:58 AM
Akayat,

Kamusta preamp mo... balita ko naiuwi mo naraw!? ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:11 AM
lights on.....

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws4.jpg)

lights off......

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws5.jpg)

merry christmas!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:16 AM
wow!!! ganda ng christmas lights mo pre. hehehe
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sebman on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:21 AM
lights on.....

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws4.jpg)

lights off......

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws5.jpg)

merry christmas!!!


akyatbundok... ganda kuha..  ;D  ;D sana magkaroon din ako nyan...  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:24 AM
akyat,

SWABE!! ;D

Kamusta performance with your 908 and surpluseseseses amps?! ;D

Mukhang magkatabi pa sila ng xd10 mo ha?!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:39 AM
success!!!  bagay na bagay sa kenwood THX power amp ko mga 'pre.  akala ko pang cine lang 'tong amp ko, pwede rin pala sa music.  pogi pa match sa black finish o di ba?

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws6.jpg)

just as i experienced in our listening session, i felt the urge to shout "SUCCESS!!" a few seconds into a song... not that i've used lots of preamps before, i've only previously used the built-in preamps in my integrated amps & receivers, which in my opinion are all pretty good.  but i felt this preamp was letting through a bit more of the signal so that i could really hear what the power amp could do... which was deliver truckloads of BASSSS... and a bit more detail.  i love my kenwood and mordaunt floorstander even more, with what the combi could do in the bass region.

then i settled down for a more critical comparison vs. my sansui's preamp.  my sansui is a surplus amp, but it was a relatively high-end amp in japan in the mid-80's with SRP around 138,000yen or about 70k pesos by today's exchange rate.  the sansui is more "musical" than the kenwood.  the latter i think is more "accurate".  once i found the same loudness in the volume pot, i noticed only a slight difference in sound quality between the tono and the sansui.  but the difference is there alright... the 'tono' was more detailed & lively... the sansui's built-in preamp was a bit laid back and smoother... it was hard to distinguish in vocals but with orchestral works it was more obvious.  this was a surprise for me coz i expected the sansui to be brighter... anyways, i'll post more of my observations as the preamp burns in... it's only been used for like 6 hours so far and it sounds very good already.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:47 AM
Akyat,

Sent you pm.  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:48 AM
success!!!  bagay na bagay sa kenwood THX power amp ko mga 'pre.  akala ko pang cine lang 'tong amp ko, pwede rin pala sa music.  pogi pa match sa black finish o di ba?

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws6.jpg)

just as i experienced in our listening session, i felt the urge to shout "SUCCESS!!" a few seconds into a song... not that i've used lots of preamps before, i've only previously used the built-in preamps in my integrated amps & receivers, which in my opinion are all pretty good.  but i felt this preamp was letting through a bit more of the signal so that i could really hear what the power amp could do... which was deliver truckloads of BASSSS... and a bit more detail.  i love my kenwood and mordaunt floorstander even more, with what the combi could do in the bass region.

then i settled down for a more critical comparison vs. my sansui's preamp.  my sansui is a surplus amp, but it was a relatively high-end amp in japan in the mid-80's with SRP around 138,000yen or about 70k pesos by today's exchange rate.  the sansui is more "musical" than the kenwood.  the latter i think is more "accurate".  once i found the same loudness in the volume pot, i noticed only a slight difference in sound quality, but the difference is there alright... the 'tono' was more detailed & lively... the sansui's built-in preamp was a bit laid back and smoother... which was a surprise for me coz i expected the sansui to be brighter... anyways, i'll post more of my observations as the preamp burns in... it's only been used for like 6 hours so far and it sounds good already.


hi bro!

congrats ha!...more enjoyable music ahead...are these NOS tubes pa din??? parang iba ang "glow" eh...or because sa kuha lang ng camera???

enjoy! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:50 AM
Superman,

Sent you pm.  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:52 AM
hi bro!

congrats ha!...more enjoyable music ahead...are these NOS tubes pa din??? parang iba ang "glow" eh...or because sa kuha lang ng camera???

enjoy! 8)

thanks superman!  hehe sa camera lang siguro dahil ang ginagawa ko ay set yung shutter speed sa 5-8sec tapos very dim light para lumabas yung glow.  ang hirap kasi palabasin sa picture nung glow nung tubes... baka yata nasobrahan ko.  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jerix on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:52 AM
it was a very good afternoon for me last friday as Sir NARAYAN invited me to audition his WS preamp. GOOd!-- my boss was in her lucid interval that time hehe! that she allowed me go on half-day --  ;D

Sir Narayan met me at the gate of their well secured subdivision hehe- medyo strict ung guard. Exactly 1 pm we were at Narayan's Music HT room. what i noticed first was his all MS speakers very proud in its beech color (beech nga ba yun- ;D) the bookshelf spkers on top of the flrstanders; the sub in the corner; the two sorrounds locked his listening coach in its place.  His a/v cabinet carries in the middle his Flat TV and above that is the MS center.

i also noticed the fully protected piece of equipment resting on the right side of the cabinet  which later i found to be the well applauded MF power amp on top of a rotel cd player. i noticed also the two extra amps near his ms flrstanders. According to sir Narayan, the two amps duty is to pump power to the two flrtanders- hmmm!  ;) Now on the left side is the WS Preamp. I know it because of the two protruding tubes in its top cover and two controls in its front panel, which have become familiar to me because of my daily visit to the picture of the amp in this thread.

We started the session with a selection from the verve jazz cd. Using merely his kenwood avr and his MS bookshelf, i found the music very good for my virgin ears. After the piece, we now tried the WS preamp
using the same selection. I closed my eyes momentarily and concentrate on how the preamp executed the notes of the music.

frankly, i really cannot notice the difference--- i just arrived at Narayans house and with all the noise i encounterd during my travel from my office to Narayans house, my ears had yet been rested. For several times we played the same selection under two conditions, First- using the preamp and second - without.

After around 15 minutes of listening, when my ears have become adopted to the environment of Narayans closed music room, it had become easier to distinguish what was comin from the preamp and what was not. We tested on with some other CDs shifting from time to time, from merely the AVR, and with the aid of the preamp...and I was now very sure that i knew when we're playing with or without the preamp. The music and particularly the execution of the notes is clearer and more detailed with the preamp as compared with merely using the AVR.

with the AVR only, there are layers of sound which seem to cover the sound of notes as they thin out. With the intervention of the preamp, these layers  are minimized if not totally erased, depending maybe on the quality of the CD being played.

To illustrate, i noticed that the sound of long"DOOO" would actually sound as "DOOOHHHHH" from an AVR. However, when using the preamp, the "HHHHH" is minimized if not totally eliminated, giving a clearer sound of the note, so they say that with the preamp, "u seem to be actually infront of the singer."

Of course i may say now that getting and maximizing the benefit that the preamp would give still depends on many other factors. first, are intrinsic in nature which may consist of the quality of the other gears u use, the CD,  and ur speakers. Second are extrinsic, which may include your MUsic area and ur environment.

In Narayan's house we used the highly reviewed MS speakers. i think the quality of the speakers u use is very important because this is where interpretation of the sound by the preamp is expressed. Narayan has an enclosed Music room, eliminating most of the unwanted sounds comin from the environment.

I really wanted to have this considering the benefit i may get from the preamp. its true after hearin this perform u really can become a music lover-  ;D more if u all have in your side the intrinsic and extrinsic factors i am sayin here. However, maybe i have to  fix my music area first, to maximize the benefits the preamp can give.

After my experience with the WS preamp, Narayan allowed me also to hear his MF amp, while he used his rotel as the source. there are two separate MF amps driving the MS floorstanders. Frankly, to my surprise it sounded as if it was passin thru the preamp-- the clarity and detail of the notes i heard usin the preamp are there...only that it has a more subdued bass output. But this is due to the youth of the the MS floorstanders which are barely two months old. With my 2-hr session with Narayan, i also have observed how a well-broken speaker like his MS bs outperforms a new floorstander.

We parted at around 3pm.. and with the experience i got out of it, all i can say to all of you guys, the WS is a very cheap stuff to improve ur music. --  ;D

thnkx SIR NARAYAN!  ;D










 


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 16, 2003 at 12:08 PM
Superman,

Sent you pm.  ;D

got your PM...sent a reply...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 16, 2003 at 12:16 PM
Sent reply. Tnx.  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 16, 2003 at 03:46 PM
i also tested this with a MF x10-d... uh oh... sacrilege!  :-X :-X ...sori po i couldn't resist.  ;D ;D

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws7.jpg)

I placed the x10-d on line 1 and then straight wire on line 2... The wonders of having 2 audio outs in your dvd player is you can switch back & forth to compare 2 sources.  The x10-d improves my dvd player's audio output by adding more weight to the bass and body to the mids.  It's a very subtle change that is sometimes hard to distinguish, but once i got used to it, i prefer having it in the audio chain.  It works with the 'tono' preamp too.  This is my first time to hear the kenwood THX amp adorned with the x10-d because the previous preamp that i use with the kenwood (my marantz sr7300 receiver) doesn't match well with the x10-d.  With the x10-d + tono preamp, at times there could be too much low bass on my MS-908, especially on CD's that have alot of bass to begin with.  But after moving my speakers away from the corner, problem solved.  Still, i'm not sure if i should be using the x10-d because the sound is already well-balanced with the tono preamp alone.  I guess this could be source-dependent... if i want more mids & bass i'll just switch it on.  Some of my CDs do need that extra help... not all CDs are created equal after all.
Title: Off topic
Post by: KD on Dec 16, 2003 at 04:06 PM
May I just say that I like those glowing tube pictures very much.  ;D Good work, akyatbundok!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 16, 2003 at 04:15 PM
i also tested this with a MF x10-d... uh oh... sacrilege!  :-X :-X ...sori po i couldn't resist.  ;D ;D

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws7.jpg)

I placed the x10-d on line 1 and then straight wire on line 2... The wonders of having 2 audio outs in your dvd player is you can switch back & forth to compare 2 sources.  The x10-d improves my dvd player's audio output by adding more weight to the bass and body to the mids.  It's a very subtle change that is sometimes hard to distinguish, but once i got used to it, i prefer having it in the audio chain.  It works with the 'tono' preamp too.  This is my first time to hear the kenwood THX amp adorned with the x10-d because the previous preamp that i use with the kenwood (my marantz sr7300 receiver) doesn't match well with the x10-d.  With the x10-d + tono preamp, at times there could be too much low bass on my MS-908, especially on CD's that have alot of bass to begin with.  But after moving my speakers away from the corner, problem solved.  Still, i'm not sure if i should be using the x10-d because the sound is already well-balanced with the tono preamp alone.  I guess this could be source-dependent... if i want more mids & bass i'll just switch it on.  Some of my CDs do need that extra help... not all CDs are created equal after all.

a liitle OT, what camera do you use for the shots.  i agree with others, your tono shop of the tubes is so professional looking....hmmm, maybe we can tap you to help us with taking pics of some of our projects... ;D

by the way, while audio is a matter of personal taste, try to use your audio with the ws preamp but without the x10d and find out of there is anything else "missing" in the music.  if none, there is no need to add another component... ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 16, 2003 at 04:35 PM
a liitle OT, what camera do you use for the shots.  i agree with others, your tono shop of the tubes is so professional looking....hmmm, maybe we can tap you to help us with taking pics of some of our projects... ;D

by the way, while audio is a matter of personal taste, try to use your audio with the ws preamp but without the x10d and find out of there is anything else "missing" in the music.  if none, there is no need to add another component... ;)

hi sir v_d, i use a trusty old canon ixus v2... just 2megapix as i never had to use more than 1megapix.  they're not really that good when they're raw.... i do alot of digital processing before posting them.  i pick a candidate from dozens of shots, then use photoshop to balance the brightness & color levels.  last step is to sharpen and shrink the file size.  sure!! i'll be glad to take pics of your various projects.

i think i'll take ur advice on the x10d... it will probably stay with the sansui... the tono preamp might go to a planned minimalist pure audio setup.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: nels76 on Dec 16, 2003 at 05:14 PM

Jerix,

Thanks to your review of the 9060D's audio performance with the WS. I'll use it as reference since I am getting one WS soon and actually plans to series it in between the DVD Player and the 9060D.

I have learned from Narayan that you connected the WS to the CD In of the AVR.

Sana na-connect mo din sa 6-channel analog in as signal from this input does not undergo additional processing by the AVR.

Anyway, thanks sa review.



Akyat,

Actually, the best audio peformance i heard so far from sessions I attended ay iyong WS - Kenwood THX combi.
Full Bodied ang sound.

Now that's my reference.

nels76
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Dec 16, 2003 at 07:40 PM
it was a very good afternoon for me last friday as Sir NARAYAN invited me to audition his WS preamp. GOOd!-- my boss was in her lucid interval that time hehe! that she allowed me go on half-day --  ;D

Sir Narayan met me at the gate of their well secured subdivision hehe- medyo strict ung guard. Exactly 1 pm we were at Narayan's Music HT room. what i noticed first was his all MS speakers very proud in its beech color (beech nga ba yun- ;D) the bookshelf spkers on top of the flrstanders; the sub in the corner; the two sorrounds locked his listening coach in its place.  His a/v cabinet carries in the middle his Flat TV and above that is the MS center.

i also noticed the fully protected piece of equipment resting on the right side of the cabinet  which later i found to be the well applauded MF power amp on top of a rotel cd player. i noticed also the two extra amps near his ms flrstanders. According to sir Narayan, the two amps duty is to pump power to the two flrtanders- hmmm!  ;) Now on the left side is the WS Preamp. I know it because of the two protruding tubes in its top cover and two controls in its front panel, which have become familiar to me because of my daily visit to the picture of the amp in this thread.

We started the session with a selection from the verve jazz cd. Using merely his kenwood avr and his MS bookshelf, i found the music very good for my virgin ears. After the piece, we now tried the WS preamp
using the same selection. I closed my eyes momentarily and concentrate on how the preamp executed the notes of the music.

frankly, i really cannot notice the difference--- i just arrived at Narayans house and with all the noise i encounterd during my travel from my office to Narayans house, my ears had yet been rested. For several times we played the same selection under two conditions, First- using the preamp and second - without.

After around 15 minutes of listening, when my ears have become adopted to the environment of Narayans closed music room, it had become easier to distinguish what was comin from the preamp and what was not. We tested on with some other CDs shifting from time to time, from merely the AVR, and with the aid of the preamp...and I was now very sure that i knew when we're playing with or without the preamp. The music and particularly the execution of the notes is clearer and more detailed with the preamp as compared with merely using the AVR.

with the AVR only, there are layers of sound which seem to cover the sound of notes as they thin out. With the intervention of the preamp, these layers  are minimized if not totally erased, depending maybe on the quality of the CD being played.

To illustrate, i noticed that the sound of long"DOOO" would actually sound as "DOOOHHHHH" from an AVR. However, when using the preamp, the "HHHHH" is minimized if not totally eliminated, giving a clearer sound of the note, so they say that with the preamp, "u seem to be actually infront of the singer."

Of course i may say now that getting and maximizing the benefit that the preamp would give still depends on many other factors. first, are intrinsic in nature which may consist of the quality of the other gears u use, the CD,  and ur speakers. Second are extrinsic, which may include your MUsic area and ur environment.

In Narayan's house we used the highly reviewed MS speakers. i think the quality of the speakers u use is very important because this is where interpretation of the sound by the preamp is expressed. Narayan has an enclosed Music room, eliminating most of the unwanted sounds comin from the environment.

I really wanted to have this considering the benefit i may get from the preamp. its true after hearin this perform u really can become a music lover-  ;D more if u all have in your side the intrinsic and extrinsic factors i am sayin here. However, maybe i have to  fix my music area first, to maximize the benefits the preamp can give.

After my experience with the WS preamp, Narayan allowed me also to hear his MF amp, while he used his rotel as the source. there are two separate MF amps driving the MS floorstanders. Frankly, to my surprise it sounded as if it was passin thru the preamp-- the clarity and detail of the notes i heard usin the preamp are there...only that it has a more subdued bass output. But this is due to the youth of the the MS floorstanders which are barely two months old. With my 2-hr session with Narayan, i also have observed how a well-broken speaker like his MS bs outperforms a new floorstander.

We parted at around 3pm.. and with the experience i got out of it, all i can say to all of you guys, the WS is a very cheap stuff to improve ur music. --  ;D

thnkx SIR NARAYAN!  ;D

my pleasure bro :D










 



Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: james16 on Dec 16, 2003 at 09:06 PM
lights on.....

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws4.jpg)

lights off......

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws5.jpg)

merry christmas!!!


congrats akyat, ganda ng ws preamp!!!  ;D paskong-pasko na dyan ah!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 16, 2003 at 10:25 PM
anyone using the WS preamp with Rotel amps, eg the Rotel 931 MkII amps?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Dec 17, 2003 at 01:34 AM
I changed my tubes to Telefunken but no more time to try it out. I will post my observation soon.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: T-Rex on Dec 17, 2003 at 03:30 AM
Hi Levi,

Looks like you've been accumulating good sounding tubes. If you are fond of details, you should be very satisfied with the telefunkens.

Are those Smooth or Ribbed plates? Nos or Used? Just curious.

Looking forward to your observations.

Enjoy Bro!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 17, 2003 at 06:20 AM
I changed my tubes to Telefunken but no more time to try it out. I will post my observation soon.

tube-rolling should be fun, but watch-out, some of these tubes cost more than the preamp!  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Dec 17, 2003 at 09:52 AM
my set up:

sony sacd player  + tono preamp + MF XA1 + SF concertino

first impression after my first 3hr, :) :) :) :D :D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Dec 17, 2003 at 10:59 AM

I had a problem with my pioneer CD player which was really harsh on the highs. - I connected the "tono" preamp to the CD player then hooked it up with my cheapo Pioneer tube vintage receiver with matching DTX speakers and Arnold's DIY cables ...then vaVOOm! - been loving it eversince...

-the cymbals are more realistic but not harsh...before it was ear-piercing!

-the trumpets also made a great improvement..before it sounded too thin!

thanks to WS :-)
Title: A Chance to Listen to the "Tono" Wiredstate Tube Preamp on December 30
Post by: Superman on Dec 17, 2003 at 11:39 AM
hi guys!

for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a listen (especially those being attacked by the dreaded SARS), i'm free this tuesday, december 30, 2003 5:00pm onwards...location is near susana heights (muntinlupa)...why december 30??? it's a national holiday...a chance to give honor to our national hero, Dr. Jose P. Rizal by simply listening to music and having fun, nationalistic ba???

please send me a text message if you're coming over - 0918-9284868...more details to follow...


(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XABpKB4b4vr4vPls6v1GXbfEn8rKn0o2*30P5IuDTheRGVit69G4xCN*9SO*xRqNnrRidKYLFFyPriepEKLOwYvm8XF7lNgEYd7fQ17ojqErSxdzkebggoTk1bu9nu68hyxOh34TqPk/Superman's%20Audio%20Set-Up%2007.jpg?dc=4675443525425067881)

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/03soul%20mates.JPG)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RQAAAIQUiM0lruaOtHyh4L504HbuMSda6bIzYrrq1IC7thG502d5Tmi*XFwjBoqUT2Jzy7AB7hNYHtvHUY2QEUHmnMAMEmqrxuVuqJZQiAQ/WS-preamp.jpg?dc=4675451333958618539)

...we'll be using of course the prototype of the "Tono" WS tube preamp (with the new chassis and silk-screened labels), JE Labs 2A3 SET amplifier, Monitor Audio Silver S2 Bookshelf Speakers, Analysis Plus Oval 12 Speaker Cables and Two (2) sets of Eichmann Express 4 Interconnects...

you may bring your reference CDs...cheers! 8)

Merry Christmas to all! 8)


superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Dec 17, 2003 at 12:21 PM
anyone using the WS preamp with Rotel amps, eg the Rotel 931 MkII amps?


am using mine with the rotel rb1080 every now and then... i would say a very good match... has even better gain than my mf rainbow preamp
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 17, 2003 at 01:37 PM
those interested to join the listening session on december 30, 2003, please check this link -->

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?action=display;board=12;threadid=17761;start=40#msg286695 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?action=display;board=12;threadid=17761;start=40#msg286695)

thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Dec 17, 2003 at 09:51 PM
Hi Levi,

Looks like you've been accumulating good sounding tubes. If you are fond of details, you should be very satisfied with the telefunkens.

Are those Smooth or Ribbed plates? Nos or Used? Just curious.

Looking forward to your observations.

Enjoy Bro!



I got the tubes from Ambel but still no time to use it. Maybe during the holidays. Im not to interested rin makinig because na box-out ng Christmas tree ang setup ko.
Title: tweak your preamp
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 18, 2003 at 09:25 AM
for those using the preamp in the CD in of your Receiver or Integ amp (like me), you might want to try this:

1. connect the Left out of your CD, directly to the CD in of your recvr

2. connect the Right out of your CD to the Right In of the WS preamp

3. connect the Right out of the WS preamp to the Right CD In of the recvr

4. turn WS preamp volume to zero

5. turn recvr volume to regular listening level

6. play CD which you know singer is in the middle (acoustic vocals is good)

7. notice that the singer will be coming way from the left (because right volume is zero in the preamp)

8. slowly turn up the volume on the WS preamp

9. notice the singer is now moving towards the center..

10. when it reaches the center - stop turning the WS knob, remember location of white indicator

11. turn up the WS volume some more - voice will now be coming from the right (WS output is now greater than CD output)

12. turn down WS volume till the voice is centered once again

13. disconnect left input from cd to amp

14. connect to left in of WS preamp

15. connect Left out of WS to left in of your recvr

You have now achieved the following:
CD out = WS out

* this puts to rest the worry that you might damage your recvr by overloading the input signal being received through the CD in from the WS preamp
(note: this worry may or may not be justified, but I feel better now)

now that you have identified the reference volume on your preamp - another tweak to make getting that setting easier everytime:

1. carefully without turning the knob, loosen the screw holding the plastic knob in place

2. reinsert the plastic knob in such a way that the white indicator is at the 12 o'clock position

3. tighten the screw

now everytime you want to set the preamp to the ref volume - just set the knob to 12 o'clock  ;D
Title: Re:tweak your preamp
Post by: Superman on Dec 18, 2003 at 09:31 AM
for those using the preamp in the CD in of your Receiver or Integ amp (like me), you might want to try this:

1. connect the Left out of your CD, directly to the CD in of your recvr
2. connect the Right out of your CD to the Right In of the WS preamp
3. connect the Right out of the WS preamp to the Right CD In of the recvr
4. turn WS preamp volume to zero
5. turn recvr volume to regular listening level
6. play CD which you know singer is in the middle (acoustic vocals is good)
7. notice that the singer will be coming way from the left (because right volume is zero in the preamp)
8. slowly turn up the volume on the WS preamp
9. notice the singer is now moving towards the center..
10. when it reaches the center - stop turning the WS knob, remember location of white indicator
11. turn up the WS volume some more - voice will now be coming from the right (WS output is now greater than CD output)
12. turn down WS volume till the voice is centered once again
13. disconnect left input from cd to amp
14. connect to left in of WS preamp
15. connect Left out of WS to left in of your recvr

You have now achieved the following:
CD out = WS out

* this puts to rest the worry that you might damage your recvr by overloading the input signal being received through the CD in from the WS preamp
(note: this worry may or may not be justified, but I fell better now)




isa kang henyo...isa kang alamat!!! 8)
Title: Re:tweak your preamp
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 18, 2003 at 09:37 AM
isa kang henyo...isa kang alamat!!! 8)

di naman - praning lang talaga ako  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 18, 2003 at 10:03 AM
Mga tube gurus,

Does it mean that if you set the preamp (say, 12 o'clock position), we are limited on the gain we can achieve considering that the specs is 20dB at maximum.

Thanks.... :D :D :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 18, 2003 at 01:13 PM
Mga tube gurus,

Does it mean that if you set the preamp (say, 12 o'clock position), we are limited on the gain we can achieve considering that the specs is 20dB at maximum.

Thanks.... :D :D :D

It's the clipping that limits us... pag nagki-clip na, tigil na... but if your amp and speakers can take it, by all means drive it to its limit. eheheh

Btw, hindi ako kasama sa "mga tube gurus" na binanggit dun ... nakikisali lang po...  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 18, 2003 at 01:58 PM
It's your prerogative bro!!! 8) 8) 8)


It's the clipping that limits us... pag nagki-clip na, tigil na... but if your amp and speakers can take it, by all means drive it to its limit. eheheh

Btw, hindi ako kasama sa "mga tube gurus" na binanggit dun ... nakikisali lang po...  8) 8) 8)
Title: VD
Post by: Gino on Dec 18, 2003 at 03:57 PM
If I can borrow a WS preamp, I can audition it with my Rotel RA931 MkII. Though the amp doesn't have a main in.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 18, 2003 at 07:17 PM
a bit off topic but the reason why I bought a servo Automatic Voltage Regulator is mainly because I now have my WS Preamp... Previously I only had an all electronic (i think solid state would be the right term) avr that was specifically designed for my computer at home.

here are some of the pics that will convince those bobbyists not using AVRs (servo types are the best)...

= The testing gear used is a high end Multitester (FLUKE) with an ossiloscope feature.
(you'll see the Yaden AVR at the background).
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500025b.jpg)



Multitester/Ossiloscope now prepared for testing voltage outputs and sine waves.
We had to turn off the lights so we can get a good shot at the tester's display
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500042b.jpg)



= First reading (test prods directly connected to normal/meralco power line).  As you can see, the voltage reading is at 238.2volts. In some areas, hopefully not where you live, power supplies can go as high as 260v... that can easily damage your electronic gears.
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500045b.jpg)



= Second reading (test prods now connected to the AVR's 220V power output).  You will notice the voltage reading is at 221.3volts. Highest reading we had is around 224volts.  A 4-volt difference is okay, a 20-volt difference is not, how much more sa 40-volt difference - - as mentioned, in some areas there are 260-volt spikes from time to time.  The question is; how forgiving will your amps be?...
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500037b.jpg)



= Third reading (test prods now connected to the AVR's 110V power output).  Notice the voltage reading is 112.5V. Highest reading we had is around 114volts.  Again, a 4-volt difference is okay.
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500041b.jpg)



= Fourth reading (test prods now connected to a DIY power cord attached to the AVR's 220V power output).  Voltage reading (enlarged) is at 222.8V.  (okay pa rin)
You will see at the background the WS Preamp with its knob protruding.
The DIY power cord actually is for the WS Preamp.
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500038b.jpg)



I can not comment on the sine waves professionally (naks), but its highest and lowest peaks are like being clipped... it's not really a perfect sinusuidal wave... meralco or AVR output parehas lang. bakit kaya?... is it me, or is it really normal that way?

So there it goes, an AVR is a very small investment to protect the larger ones.

Yaden AVR's cost around P1.8k to P2k for 1000VA units (with delay na yon to protect itself from power outage and suddenly balik din agad).  There are a lot of good brands out there but Yaden Servo AVRs has proven its worth... bottom line para hindi magalit at burahin ang post ko ng moderator?... "protect your WS gears with an AVR"... eheheh

BTW, pag nagka-ubusan ng Yaden, tumataas 'to up to as much as 3.5k.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 18, 2003 at 10:39 PM
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::)238volts is quite high for our gears.... Can anyone know the tolerance of WS preamp?


a bit off topic but the reason why I bought a servo Automatic Voltage Regulator is mainly because I now have my WS Preamp... Previously I only had an all electronic (i think solid state would be the right term) avr that was specifically designed for my computer at home.

here are some of the pics that will convince those bobbyists not using AVRs (servo types are the best)...

= The testing gear used is a high end Multitester (FLUKE) with an ossiloscope feature.
(you'll see the Yaden AVR at the background).
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500025b.jpg)



Multitester/Ossiloscope now prepared for testing voltage outputs and sine waves.
We had to turn off the lights so we can get a good shot at the tester's display
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500042b.jpg)



= First reading (test prods directly connected to normal/meralco power line).  As you can see, the voltage reading is at 238.2volts. In some areas, hopefully not where you live, power supplies can go as high as 260v... that can easily damage your electronic gears.
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500045b.jpg)



= Second reading (test prods now connected to the AVR's 220V power output).  You will notice the voltage reading is at 221.3volts. Highest reading we had is around 224volts.  A 4-volt difference is okay, a 20-volt difference is not, how much more sa 40-volt difference - - as mentioned, in some areas there are 260-volt spikes from time to time.  The question is; how forgiving will your amps be?...
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500037b.jpg)



= Third reading (test prods now connected to the AVR's 110V power output).  Notice the voltage reading is 112.5V. Highest reading we had is around 114volts.  Again, a 4-volt difference is okay.
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500041b.jpg)



= Fourth reading (test prods now connected to a DIY power cord attached to the AVR's 220V power output).  Voltage reading (enlarged) is at 222.8V.  (okay pa rin)
You will see at the background the WS Preamp with its knob protruding.
The DIY power cord actually is for the WS Preamp.
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500038b.jpg)



I can not comment on the sine waves professionally (naks), but its highest and lowest peaks are like being clipped... it's not really a perfect sinusuidal wave... meralco or AVR output parehas lang. bakit kaya?... is it me, or is it really normal that way?

So there it goes, an AVR is a very small investment to protect the larger ones.

Yaden AVR's cost around P1.8k to P2k for 1000VA units (with delay na yon to protect itself from power outage and suddenly balik din agad).  There are a lot of good brands out there but Yaden Servo AVRs has proven its worth... bottom line para hindi magalit at burahin ang post ko ng moderator?... "protect your WS gears with an AVR"... eheheh

BTW, pag nagka-ubusan ng Yaden, tumataas 'to up to as much as 3.5k.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Furry on Dec 18, 2003 at 11:39 PM
Mas sulit ba yun WS Preamp for Audio only? i'm more into movies kasi eh.. ?
Title: Re:VD
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 18, 2003 at 11:40 PM
If I can borrow a WS preamp, I can audition it with my Rotel RA931 MkII. Though the amp doesn't have a main in.

hey gino, sure.  i'll contact you next week for a demo unit
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 18, 2003 at 11:44 PM
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::)238volts is quite high for our gears.... Can anyone know the tolerance of WS preamp?

the WS preamp should be able to take these voltages.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Dec 19, 2003 at 12:54 AM
VD,

   I sent you a PM. Thanks

Levi
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 19, 2003 at 01:18 AM
Thanks V_D :D :D :D

the WS preamp should be able to take these voltages.


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 19, 2003 at 09:47 AM
the WS preamp should be able to take these voltages.



Hi sir V_D, I am a fan of the Tono WS Preamp, and when it comes to protection, (di lang sa Preamp - heheh) it would still be best to protect our gears with an AVR - diba heheh?...
I remember my 20-inch Goldstar Green TV, its (power?) transistor blew up twice dahil hindi ko nalagyan ng AVR, an engineer told me the transistor should be able to handle up to 250 or 260volts yata pero pumutok din - I then concluded that our power supply should be spiking to more that 250V or 260V...
Notorious yong power line namin sa apartment where we lived before.

By the way, I was at makati square a few days ago or was it at harison plaza - parehas ko kasing pinutahan eh (my memory is getting bad heheh). An electronic store there was selling a 1.5kVA (yata) Stavol AVR for 10k... hanep!, ganun ba kagaling ang Stavol?

Merry Christmas sir Francis...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 19, 2003 at 10:07 AM
Gurong Yukon - ikinopya ko po ang inyong turing sa General Thread para po sa kaalaman ng iba  ;D

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=1823

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Gino on Dec 19, 2003 at 10:15 AM
Thanks. Tamang tama, the MS CDT is running in my system now.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 19, 2003 at 10:44 AM
Gurong Yukon - ikinopya ko po ang inyong turing sa General Thread para po sa kaalaman ng iba  ;D

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=1823



Principal Iceman, that's exactly where it should be... thanks - never thought about that ah.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: audio_tyro on Dec 19, 2003 at 02:17 PM
Thanks. Tamang tama, the MS CDT is running in my system now.

I don't know how you can do this (Preamp + Integrated amp). An integrated amp already has a preamp, so you will be subjecting the signal from the source to two sets of preamps. I am afraid it will degrade the sound. Can you not borrow a separate power amp? That should be most appropriate.

I've heard high praises on the Tono Preamp. Gawang Pinoy audiophile yan! Enjoy your audition.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Toobs on Dec 19, 2003 at 04:03 PM
Hi,

We have just delivered 10 units of the 'tono' preamp at Architectural Audio.  Give them a visit today and I am sure the guys at AA will set-up an audition for you.

toobs
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Gino on Dec 19, 2003 at 04:40 PM
You are probably right Audiotyro. Cascading brings much surprises.

Since I intend to have my friends audition it on their amps with main ins, I really have nothing to lose if I hook it up. I am ready for anything.

Thanks for the insight.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 19, 2003 at 06:02 PM
We've tried the tono with CD ins of some Amps and Receivers (HK, Pioneer, etc.) that doesn't have a separate preamp in (i think it's called the "main in" - iba-iba kasi ang tawag nila dito eh).
Surprisingly, an audible improvement is always there.
IMHO.  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 19, 2003 at 09:26 PM
Hi sir V_D, I am a fan of the Tono WS Preamp, and when it comes to protection, (di lang sa Preamp - heheh) it would still be best to protect our gears with an AVR - diba heheh?...
I remember my 20-inch Goldstar Green TV, its (power?) transistor blew up twice dahil hindi ko nalagyan ng AVR, an engineer told me the transistor should be able to handle up to 250 or 260volts yata pero pumutok din - I then concluded that our power supply should be spiking to more that 250V or 260V...
Notorious yong power line namin sa apartment where we lived before.

By the way, I was at makati square a few days ago or was it at harison plaza - parehas ko kasing pinutahan eh (my memory is getting bad heheh). An electronic store there was selling a 1.5kVA (yata) Stavol AVR for 10k... hanep!, ganun ba kagaling ang Stavol?

Merry Christmas sir Francis...

some protection and regulation will definitely help...however, you have to select a good mechanical-type AVR (like stavol, stac, and not the electronic type used for computers).  the electronic ones sometimes induce noise.

best is to try out your system with and without AVRs...some (like me) prefer raw electricity...some also report reduced dynamics with AVRs...

Merry Christmas to you too...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 19, 2003 at 11:27 PM
You are probably right Audiotyro. Cascading brings much surprises.

Since I intend to have my friends audition it on their amps with main ins, I really have nothing to lose if I hook it up. I am ready for anything.

Thanks for the insight.

i have a unit you can borrow for a few days.  you can pick-up the unit from alabang...  
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 20, 2003 at 12:02 AM
Wanna bring home a 'tono' preamp to try out over the holidays without spending a single centavo*?

Return only after New Year!




*requirement is a post dated check

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: edboy7 on Dec 20, 2003 at 12:56 AM
sir vd...can the tono pre amp can do justice with my marantz sr4300 and bose accoustimass set up? ???...and i dnt have a subwoofer yet ;D...thanks ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 20, 2003 at 01:40 AM
sir vd...can the tono pre amp can do justice with my marantz sr4300 and bose accoustimass set up? ???...and i dnt have a subwoofer yet ;D...thanks ;D

i assume the sr4300 is a receiver...if so, several folks have had very possitive results using the tono with their receivers...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: RU9 on Dec 20, 2003 at 04:30 AM
I don't know how you can do this (Preamp + Integrated amp). An integrated amp already has a preamp, so you will be subjecting the signal from the source to two sets of preamps. I am afraid it will degrade the sound.

No, it won't degrade the sound. It will improve it. It will be louder with a tubey characteristics.

I bought one and HEARD it.

The bass really improved. I have to lower the volume of the REL from 12 o'clock to 10 o'clock and adjust the crossover setting from C3 to B3.

CDP-->WS preamp-->CD in of Int Amp

Hindi na yata ako bibili ng UNICO:) GREAT SAVINGS!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 21, 2003 at 10:08 PM
10 'tono' preamps now available at Architectural Audio

audition them Monday to Saturday, 10:30am to 7:00pm
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: slowhand on Dec 22, 2003 at 07:08 AM
Can the preamp's input take the signal from the pre-outs of a receiver? Or is that signal's voltage too high? Thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 22, 2003 at 07:47 AM
Wanna bring home a 'tono' preamp to try out over the holidays without spending a single centavo*?

Return only after New Year!


*requirement is a post dated check
Bump for [slayer] - pre exactly what you need!  ;D




Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 22, 2003 at 08:19 AM
I don't know how you can do this (Preamp + Integrated amp). An integrated amp already has a preamp, so you will be subjecting the signal from the source to two sets of preamps. I am afraid it will degrade the sound. Can you not borrow a separate power amp? That should be most appropriate.

I've heard high praises on the Tono Preamp. Gawang Pinoy audiophile yan! Enjoy your audition.

the trick Sir is to set the output of the WS preamp to equal that of the CD player (had it been plugged in directly to the int amp)

this way its like you changed the CD player to a tube based CD player , playing on an integ amp  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Dec 22, 2003 at 08:52 AM
Can the preamp's input take the signal from the pre-outs of a receiver? Or is that signal's voltage too high? Thanks.
The gain will be too high, distorting the WS pre, and you will amplify that distortion.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Dec 22, 2003 at 08:52 AM
Can the preamp's input take the signal from the pre-outs of a receiver? Or is that signal's voltage too high? Thanks.
The gain will be too high, distorting the WS pre, and you will amplify that distortion.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Dec 22, 2003 at 08:53 AM
this is for slowhand - "The gain will be too high, distorting the WS pre, and you will amplify that distortion."

i can't quote your post. the board complains about email error ek ek.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 22, 2003 at 08:58 AM
Can the preamp's input take the signal from the pre-outs of a receiver? Or is that signal's voltage too high? Thanks.

if your receiver has a preamp in/out, that means it also has an amp in/out.  if so, use the preamp and plug this at the amp in.  this set-up bypasses the receiver's preamp features and control is provided by the tono preamp only. this is ideal for audio or stereo listening only.

CDP -> 'tono' -> RECEIVER (Amp IN) -> SPEAKERS

if you wish to use all the receiver's features but introduce the tono preamp's tube sound into your set-up, what you do is put the tono right after the cd/dvd player and adjust the volume on the tono at about 1 o'clock.  this is the setting at "unity gain", which means the output of tono is about equal the output of the cdplayer, thus no overload.    you can then continue to use the receiver's controls for both audio and HT....

CDP -> 'tono' (set for unity gain) -> RECEIVER (CD IN) -> SPEAKERS

most folks here with AVRs use it this way.  

fire away and enjoy the tube sound!  ;D
Title: Re:tweak your preamp
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 22, 2003 at 09:53 AM
Here's an an excellent procedure to pre-set the 'tono' for your receiver:

for those using the preamp in the CD in of your Receiver or Integ amp (like me), you might want to try this:

1. connect the Left out of your CD, directly to the CD in of your recvr

2. connect the Right out of your CD to the Right In of the WS preamp

3. connect the Right out of the WS preamp to the Right CD In of the recvr

4. turn WS preamp volume to zero

5. turn recvr volume to regular listening level

6. play CD which you know singer is in the middle (acoustic vocals is good)

7. notice that the singer will be coming way from the left (because right volume is zero in the preamp)

8. slowly turn up the volume on the WS preamp

9. notice the singer is now moving towards the center..

10. when it reaches the center - stop turning the WS knob, remember location of white indicator

11. turn up the WS volume some more - voice will now be coming from the right (WS output is now greater than CD output)

12. turn down WS volume till the voice is centered once again

13. disconnect left input from cd to amp

14. connect to left in of WS preamp

15. connect Left out of WS to left in of your recvr

You have now achieved the following:
CD out = WS out

* this puts to rest the worry that you might damage your recvr by overloading the input signal being received through the CD in from the WS preamp
(note: this worry may or may not be justified, but I feel better now)

now that you have identified the reference volume on your preamp - another tweak to make getting that setting easier everytime:

1. carefully without turning the knob, loosen the screw holding the plastic knob in place

2. reinsert the plastic knob in such a way that the white indicator is at the 12 o'clock position

3. tighten the screw

now everytime you want to set the preamp to the ref volume - just set the knob to 12 o'clock  ;D

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: slowhand on Dec 22, 2003 at 10:12 AM
thanks to arnold and vintage dog for your replies.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 22, 2003 at 11:35 AM
iceman,

Thanks for the heads-up!  Will try to drop by ArchAudio or Hans will bring his preamp sa house pag nag session kami. ;D

Bump for [slayer] - pre exactly what you need!  ;D





Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kimpao on Dec 22, 2003 at 01:59 PM
iceman,

Thanks for the heads-up!  Will try to drop by ArchAudio or Hans will bring his preamp sa house pag nag session kami. ;D

oiysssst!! anong session yan?!.. Sama ako diyan.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 22, 2003 at 03:17 PM
Ayaw mo naman pumunta samin eh.  Teka OT na tayo.  ;D Dalin ni Hans yung ws preamp para ma audition ko. ;D

oiysssst!! anong session yan?!.. Sama ako diyan.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 22, 2003 at 03:29 PM
since i have no HT system at home, i never had a chance to listen to a tono-powered HT system.   ;D

can folks share what they observed when using the tono preamp for HT...5.1, 7.1, etc...i.e, for watching concerts on DVD.  how about for action or adventure movies (lord of the rings)?   or suspense like the ring?

thanks...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 22, 2003 at 05:34 PM
Sir V_D,

I noticed on my preamp that the glow of both tubes are not identical. You will see on one tube that the upper and lower portion of the tube glows while the other tube is only the upper portion.

Is it normal?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 22, 2003 at 06:30 PM
Sir V_D,

I noticed on my preamp that the glow of both tubes are not identical. You will see on one tube that the upper and lower portion of the tube glows while the other tube is only the upper portion.

Is it normal?

this is normal...sometimes the filaments are partially covered by the plate structures thus giving the impression that they are less bright...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 22, 2003 at 06:55 PM
Thanks.... :D :D :D


this is normal...sometimes the filaments are partially covered by the plate structures thus giving the impression that they are less bright...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: audiobyte on Dec 23, 2003 at 07:05 AM
Quote
Wanna bring home a 'tono' preamp to try out over the holidays without spending a single centavo*?

Return only after New Year!

Sir V_D,

Can you please include me in the list? I want the new version with thicker chassis and labels. Kindly pm me on availability and post-dated check details. Tx.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 23, 2003 at 07:34 AM
Sir V_D,

Can you please include me in the list? I want the new version with thicker chassis and labels. Kindly pm me on availability and post-dated check details. Tx.

units are available at Architectural Audio and they can give you a new unit to bring home upon presentation of a P9,150 check dated 1/5/2004.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: audiobyte on Dec 23, 2003 at 07:58 AM
Sir V_D,

Thanks for the info and what a very good offer indeed! :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 23, 2003 at 10:59 AM
units are available at Architectural Audio and they can give you a new unit to bring home upon presentation of a P9,150 check dated 1/5/2004.



this is a GREAT OFFER, guys!...bili na!

i've had the unit for over a month now...every minute, every second the sweetness improves...a great FILIPINO product! 8)

mabuhay ang WIREDSTATE! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 23, 2003 at 11:05 AM
Same here Sup!!! Tampo na nga si esmi dahil buti pa daw yung audio gears ko lagi katabi.... hehehe ;D ;D ;D


this is a GREAT OFFER, guys!...bili na!

i've had the unit for over a month now...every minute, every second the sweetness improves...a great FILIPINO product! 8)

mabuhay ang WIREDSTATE! 8)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 23, 2003 at 03:40 PM
to all WIREDSTATE supporters, endorsers and product developers and product believers...

(http://www.usacyber.com/Christmas/titleanim.gif)


...and a more music-filled year ahead!


superman 8)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 23, 2003 at 06:22 PM
from everyone at Wiredstate....

(http://www.toons.artie.com/christmas/arg-merry-christmas-wreath-url.gif)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 25, 2003 at 05:19 PM
good news!

our prototype 300b amp is now up and running... ;D

be the first to audition this prototype at superman's den on the 30th!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 25, 2003 at 06:03 PM
good news!

our prototype 300b amp is now up and running... ;D

be the first to audition this prototype at superman's den on the 30th!



it would be an honor, sir V_D...although my place is not as "good" as yours...nevertheless, what's more important is the enjoyment of listening for the 1st time to this "baby"...i'm sure it rocks...thanks again! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: UB40 on Dec 25, 2003 at 08:52 PM
Sir Vintage,

i've been hearing good praises for this Tono pre-amp, is it possible to hide the tubes inside the box? quite apprehensive of the kids might accidentally break them when they're playing... :-\
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 25, 2003 at 11:28 PM
Sir Vintage,

i've been hearing good praises for this Tono pre-amp, is it possible to hide the tubes inside the box? quite apprehensive of the kids might accidentally break them when they're playing... :-\

that's quite possible but not for the version we have.  this may be customized for that purpose.  however, there are disadvantages:  difficulty is tube rolling and heat generated may accelerate life of certain components including tubes...


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 25, 2003 at 11:41 PM
we'd like to test and tune our amps using the MA speakers.  is it possible to borrow a pair of bookshelves?

thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 26, 2003 at 08:31 AM
we'd like to test and tune our amps using the MA speakers.  is it possible to borrow a pair of bookshelves?

thanks

you can borrow mine Sir, I'll bring them over on the weekend  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 26, 2003 at 09:06 AM
you can borrow mine Sir, I'll bring them over on the weekend  ;D


attaboy, iceman! 8)

merry christmas! 8)

attention MA owners...this is something to look forward to...wow! 8)

thanks! 8)


superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kimpao on Dec 26, 2003 at 11:09 AM
attaboy, iceman! 8)

merry christmas! 8)

attention MA owners...this is something to look forward to...wow! 8)

thanks! 8)


superman 8)



kaya kay niya yung b4 :-\ sana para i'll have more options in my next project. ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 26, 2003 at 07:12 PM
kaya kay niya yung b4 :-\ sana para i'll have more options in my next project. ;D

we havent's had any problems yet with the MAs we've used...both the B2 and S2 sounded "excellent"...i'm very confident it will have the same results with the B4s...thanks! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Dec 26, 2003 at 11:56 PM
Vintage,

Any chance you will sell tube cover for the preamp? Thanks

Levi
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 27, 2003 at 12:13 AM
Vintage,

Any chance you will sell tube cover for the preamp? Thanks

Levi

no plans as of the moment to include this in our preamps...however, this may be installed by a capable technician...perhaps rene can help put a cage?

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 27, 2003 at 12:48 AM
no plans as of the moment to include this in our preamps...however, this may be installed by a capable technician...perhaps rene can help put a cage?



will this not affect the performance of the WS pre-amp??? just wondering what would be the effect if it has a cover (the tubes) and without the cover...

i was at rene's this afternoon...asked him about bell caps and chromed chassis...

the metal for the "cage" can be bought at raon (tama nga ba joe3rp???)...but it has to be "cut" to size and repainted...had the privilege of seeing the "cage" of joe3rp's 300B...

thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sandawa on Dec 27, 2003 at 07:48 AM
is there a plan to make WS gears available for for audition in Davao or Cebu?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 27, 2003 at 08:03 AM
is there a plan to make WS gears available for for audition in Davao or Cebu?

someone from Cebu has one - though its not my place to say who. maybe he'll let you know if he reads this thread  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 27, 2003 at 08:11 AM
is there a plan to make WS gears available for for audition in Davao or Cebu?

we have owners in cebu and mindanao.   i can give you details.  please PM me your cel number and full name.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: sandawa on Dec 27, 2003 at 08:55 AM
thanks for the quick response. i'm specifically interested in the pre-amp. just sent the PM
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kimpao on Dec 27, 2003 at 12:08 PM
we havent's had any problems yet with the MAs we've used...both the B2 and S2 sounded "excellent"...i'm very confident it will have the same results with the B4s...thanks! 8)



thanks superman! ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 27, 2003 at 04:14 PM
thanks superman! ;D

no problem, kimpao!...anytime 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 29, 2003 at 02:43 AM
we just ended a marathon listening session (2pm to 2am) with our amps , trying it out with different combinations of speakers, wires, tubes, etc.  

we are pleased to let you know that the wiredstate 300b amp prototype has undergone another tweak/mod and sounds more dynamic, balanced, sweet and musical with the tono preamp....

it has enough muscle to drive the following:  sonus faber, spendor and the brines-fostex...

this amp really rocks and knows how to sing  ;D

present:  hansen, arnold, jovy (oldfogey), ed (toobs), mickey and myself

get a chance to audition them on the 30th at superman's den!


thanks, sir V_D! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 29, 2003 at 08:24 AM
we just ended a marathon listening session (2pm to 2am) at home trying  out different combinations of audio gear -  

amps:  
- ws 300b prototype
- elekit japan 2a3
- TB 2a3i
- eico HF 35
- arnold's prototype amp

preamps:  
- stock bottlehead foreplay
- ws tono
- audible illusions
- zen tube linestage

speakers:  
- sf concerto
- sf minima amator
- spendor s3/5
- norh 6.9
- monitor audio
- ike's voigt
- fostex bs60
- brines-fostex

sources:  
- sony sacd
- consonance 2.3
- thorens analog

ears:  hansen, arnold, jovy (oldfogey), ed (toobs), mickey and vd

we are pleased to let you know that the wiredstate 300b amp prototype version 1.1 has undergone another tweak/mod and sounds more dynamic, balanced, sweet and musical with the tono preamp....

also, to our ears, the tono easily beat the foreplay!

the new 300b amp really rocks and knows how to sing!

 :D

 
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 29, 2003 at 02:15 PM
This may be a bit pre-mature, but we are so excited with the newly-tweaked 300B tube amp prototype, we thought we'll share the good news!

We have another possible winner amp here in the tradition of Tubong Bastos and the 'tono' preamp!

Features:
- 300B single-ended stereo amp 8wpc (3-4x the power of the TB2A3 amp)
- Proprietary WIREDSTATE design, tweaked, tuned by Pinoydiophles!
- point-to-point wiring
- AURICAP coupling caps
- BLACK GATE bias caps with extra bypass caps
- new chassis to match with the tono preamp
- brass faceplate
- high quality gold-plated input and speaker connectors
- NOS 5U4 tube rectifier, choke regulated
- NOS 6SL7 driver tubes included
- your choice of 300B power tubes (included are Electro Harmonix)
- Lifetime guarantee on repairs; 1 year on parts
- Extra heavy-duty hand-wound power and OPT transformers
- A lot of TLC from the DIY team!

All at a very special unbelievable price of about P2?k for the first 5 units.

Preorders accepted for delivery in February 2004!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 29, 2003 at 02:26 PM
VD,

Kala ko around 15k lang?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 29, 2003 at 02:32 PM
VD,

Kala ko around 15k lang?

bro...Php15k is for the integrated pentode that will rival any SS integrated amp...thanks! 8)

superman 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 29, 2003 at 02:34 PM
This may be a bit pre-mature, but we are so excited with the newly-tweaked 300B tube amp prototype, we thought we'll share the good news!

We have another possible winner amp here in the tradition of Tubong Bastos and the 'tono' preamp!

Features:
- 300B single-ended stereo amp 8wpc (3-4x the power of the TB2A3 amp)
- Proprietary WIREDSTATE design, tweaked, tuned by Pinoydiophles!
- point-to-point wiring
- AURICAP coupling caps
- BLACK GATE bias caps with extra bypass caps
- new chassis to match with the tono preamp
- brass faceplate
- high quality gold-plated input and speaker connectors
- NOS 5U4 tube rectifier, choke regulated
- NOS 6SL7 driver tubes included
- your choice of 300B power tubes (included are Electro Harmonix)
- Lifetime guarantee on repairs; 1 year on parts
- Extra heavy-duty hand-wound power and OPT transformers
- A lot of TLC from the DIY team!

All at a very special unbelievable price of about P2?k for the first 5 units.

Preorders accepted for delivery in February 2004!



pwede na kaya pumila???  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

any chance we can have a "chromed" version...including the bellcaps??? para vtalagang gwapong-gwapo...but the black is OK kung maganda ang faceplate... :o :o :o

thanks sir! happy new year to all! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)


superman 8)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 29, 2003 at 02:42 PM
pupunta ba si Jvm bukas sa inyo? sabihan mo magdala ng tissue para pamunas sa laway nating tyak na tutulo  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: botching on Dec 29, 2003 at 02:44 PM
ok guys eto na umpisa na ang pila!

count me first to put in the order  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 29, 2003 at 02:59 PM
for fun, i will bring along assorted tubes for tube-rolling on the 300b amp:
- Vaic Valve super V V4300a
- Golden Dragon labelled Audio Note
- the much acclaimed TJ 300B mesh plate
- Electro harmonix (stock)

plus some NOS 6SL7s

and a special silver DIY interconnet and speaker cables care of Ambel (Eric) at Wiredstate.

am playing the 300b amp using stock tubes

consonance 2.3 -> tono (with RCA black plates) -> WS 300b with stock tubes -> Sonus Faber Minima Amator, all silver DIY cables by Ambel...

...goose bumps territory!



Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 29, 2003 at 03:24 PM
pupunta ba si Jvm bukas sa inyo? sabihan mo magdala ng tissue para pamunas sa laway nating tyak na tutulo  ;D


nasa province daw...di makakapunta...thanks! 8)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 29, 2003 at 03:26 PM
for fun, i will bring along assorted tubes for tube-rolling on the 300b amp:
- Vaic Valve super V V4300a
- Golden Dragon labelled Audio Note
- the much acclaimed TJ 300B mesh plate
- Electro harmonix (stock)

plus some NOS 6SL7s

and a special silver DIY interconnet and speaker cables care of Ambel (Eric) at Wiredstate.


yahoo!...thanks sir! 8)

superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 29, 2003 at 03:42 PM
sir V_D,

COUNT ME IN...i'd like to be part of the 1st batch (5)...february pa naman target completion, di ba??? 8)

thanks sir! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 29, 2003 at 04:35 PM
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::) February? Naguguluhan ako!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 29, 2003 at 06:31 PM
VD,

Kala ko around 15k lang?

tama si superman, yung p15K is for the integrated amp using penthode tubes.  we are still working on it to provide more power to drive speakers like the MA B2.  the 300b tubes are true triode tubes which are among the most popular and well-loved tubes in the tube audiophile commmunities.   the transformers are massive and these require careful design and select parts.

most commercial 300b amps are in the p60k to p200k, and believe me, the WS 300b is at par if not better than my $1,800 300B monoblocks, na made in the USA!  btw, we use even better parts than the amps made in china or other USA-made 300b amps.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 29, 2003 at 06:43 PM
btw, the amps carry a money-back guarantee, so buyers are practically risk-free. we are so confident in these amps, we will even give you additional money for all your trouble in the event you don't like it at all and return them within 30 days!

how about that? crazy deal huh?
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Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: hkfoam on Dec 29, 2003 at 07:28 PM
Sir Vintage_ Dog,
I am placing my order  for 1 unit of this 300B amp! Alam ko basta maganda sa pandinig mo, okay yan sir!

thanks and regards to all!
hkfoam
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 29, 2003 at 07:41 PM
Sir Vintage_ Dog,
I am placing my order  for 1 unit of this 300B amp! Alam ko basta maganda sa pandinig mo, okay yan sir!

thanks and regards to all!
hkfoam

thanks!



Congratulations and thank you to the Bold 5:

1. botching
2. anthony
3. SUPERMAN
4. KD
5. HKfoam
[/b]
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 29, 2003 at 09:10 PM
btw, the amps carry a money-back guarantee, so buyers are practically risk-free. we are so confident in these amps, we will even give you additional money for all your trouble in the event you don't like it at all and return them within 30 days!

how about that? crazy deal huh?
[/color]

wow...only in wiredstate...and only in the Philippines... galing! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 29, 2003 at 09:15 PM
thanks!



Congratulations and thank you to the Bold 5:

1. botching
2. anthony
3. SUPERMAN
4. KD
5. HKfoam
[/b]

Thanks, Sir V_D!... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Dec 29, 2003 at 09:21 PM
papila na rin sa next batch  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: audi0slave on Dec 29, 2003 at 10:35 PM
looks like this WS300B amp will become a bestseller with all you guys queuing again... :) :)

V_D, may I know the dimension of this amp? the HxWxD and if possible, the photo of your prototype

thanks ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 29, 2003 at 11:22 PM
looks like this WS300B amp will become a bestseller with all you guys queuing again... :) :)

V_D, may I know the dimension of this amp? the HxWxD and if possible, the photo of your prototype

thanks ;D

the prototype uses exactly the same chassis as the TB2A3 amp, however, the actual WS300B production amp will have a different  chassis and lay-out and will weigh heavier than the 2A3 amp.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 30, 2003 at 12:00 AM
the prototype uses exactly the same chassis as the TB2A3 amp, however, the actual WS300B production amp will have a different  chassis and lay-out and will weigh heavier than the 2A3 amp.



sir V_D...will the actual unit be using NOS 6SL7 and 5U4G tubes??? 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 30, 2003 at 12:06 AM
sir V_D...will the actual unit be using NOS 6SL7 and 5U4G tubes??? 8)

yes for the Bold 5, optional for the others at extra cost.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 30, 2003 at 07:46 AM
papila na rin sa next batch  :)

got that.  thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Dec 30, 2003 at 08:24 AM
yes for the Bold 5, optional for the others at extra cost.

sir v_d, pwede ba BOLD 7 para ako ung huli ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rpm on Dec 30, 2003 at 08:49 AM
I would just like to know when is the WS integrated amp going to be available? I assume that it have a pre-in for the WS-preamp?  I already have the WS-preamp, and currently looking for a power amp, driving a MA B2.  Please let us know.

Thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 30, 2003 at 09:09 AM
I would just like to know when is the WS integrated amp going to be available? I assume that it have a pre-in for the WS-preamp?  I already have the WS-preamp, and currently looking for a power amp, driving a MA B2.  Please let us know.

Thanks.

yes the WS integrated will still be available, maybe in the Feb/Mar timing.  we are on a prototype version 3 and our master chef is fine tuning the amp to drive an MA B2 (thanks to iceman for lending his speakers)...it is meant to be a budget entry tube amp at the price of a ss amp.

while it is a (passive) integrated amp,  the tono preamp will be highly recommended especially when driving  speakers with <90db sens.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 30, 2003 at 09:30 AM
yes for the Bold 5, optional for the others at extra cost.

thanks so much, sir!...kasi i have a NOS RCA 5U4G...baka pwede pa gamitin for the 300B...thanks again...see you all at the session tonight...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 30, 2003 at 09:40 AM
Due to the overwhelming response and requests we got on the special deal, we are pleased to announce that we will extend the offer to the first 12.

the Bold 5 will still get some extras (we will decide later)
the Magic 12 will avail of the same special price and NOS tubes

all 12 will get guaranteed NOS (New-Old-Stock) 6SL7 tubes and 5U4G rectifier tubes (valued at least 3k).  Current production 300B tubes (p7K and up) are also included.

THE MAGIC 12

Bold 5
6. john 5479/toobsnewbie
7. Muttley
8. (name withheld upon request)
9.
10.
11.
12.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 30, 2003 at 09:42 AM
yes the WS integrated will still be available, maybe in the Feb/Mar timing.  we are on a prototype version 3 and our master chef is fine tuning the amp to drive an MA B2 (thanks to iceman for lending his speakers)...it is meant to be a budget entry tube amp at the price of a ss amp.

while it is a (passive) integrated amp,  the tono preamp will be highly recommended especially when driving  speakers with <90db sens.



now how can anyone resist buying an amp that was tuned to his own speakers?  ;D

Yo! MA Boys - something to look forward to. wala muna gift gift sa Valentines, candle light dinner for 2 at home na lang (para madinig pa rin yung amp & speakers)  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 30, 2003 at 09:47 AM
now how can anyone resist buying an amp that was tuned to his own speakers?  ;D

Yo! MA Boys - something to look forward to. wala muna gift gift sa Valentines, candle light dinner for 2 at home na lang (para madinig pa rin yung amp & speakers)  ;)


dre, pumila ka na for the 300B... 8) 8) 8)

"incentive" has been extended to 12...talagang naghahamon...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Dec 30, 2003 at 09:50 AM
yahoo, me push pull na ko me SET pa sa feb.  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Dec 30, 2003 at 09:50 AM
Due to the overwhelming response and requests we got on the special deal, we are pleased to announce that we will extend the offer to the first 12.

the Bold 5 will still get some extras (we will decide later)
the Magic 12 will avail of the same special price and NOS tubes

all 12 will get guaranteed NOS (New-Old-Stock) 6SL7 tubes and 5U4G rectifier tubes (valued at least 3k).  Current production 300B tubes (p7K and up) are also included.

THE MAGIC 12

Bold 5
6. john 5479/toobsnewbie
7. Muttley
8. (name withheld upon request)
9.
10.
11.
12.


yehey!!! thanks sir v_d ;D ;D ;D kaya lang wala akong extra? pwede ba ako humingi ng extra  :'(pls?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 30, 2003 at 09:54 AM
yehey!!! thanks sir v_d ;D ;D ;D kaya lang wala akong extra? pwede ba ako humingi ng extra  :'(pls?

Feb pa naman eh...we'll see...  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Dec 30, 2003 at 10:17 AM
Indeed, it was tempting to get their offer.... ;D ;D ;D


Due to the overwhelming response and requests we got on the special deal, we are pleased to announce that we will extend the offer to the first 12.

the Bold 5 will still get some extras (we will decide later)
the Magic 12 will avail of the same special price and NOS tubes

all 12 will get guaranteed NOS (New-Old-Stock) 6SL7 tubes and 5U4G rectifier tubes (valued at least 3k).  Current production 300B tubes (p7K and up) are also included.

THE MAGIC 12

Bold 5
6. john 5479/toobsnewbie
7. Muttley
8. (name withheld upon request)
9.
10.
11.
12.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 31, 2003 at 02:58 AM
hi guys!

thanks again for coming over...to sir V_D...thanks for bringing the 300B (and for the masarap na brownies)...well, well, well...i'm still enjoying the 300B and no plans of sleeping yet...tsaka na ang tulog, hehehe! thanks for allowing me to "baby sit" the 300B prototype...HAPPY NEW YEAR to all...

will post the pics later on...iceman90a...pare, please post some of the pics also...

we will schedule another session once the "new superbaby" arrives...thanks again! 8)

PS: the 300B prototype and the WS tono preamp is a perfect match...my S2s never sang the way it did tonight... 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Dec 31, 2003 at 03:23 AM

PS: the 300B prototype and the WS tono preamp is a perfect match...my S2s never sang the way it did tonight... 8)


I can stand as witness to this.  ;D ;D ;D

ang lufet ng tunog!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Dec 31, 2003 at 05:23 AM
thats nice to hear....february will truly be a month to remember then :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Dec 31, 2003 at 07:28 AM
....PS: the 300B prototype and the WS tono preamp is a perfect match...my S2s never sang the way it did tonight... 8)



hi raymond, thanks for the hospitality too...frankly, i was not expecting much from the S2 because i thought they were difficult to drive...but boy, was i proven wrong big time last night! ...you have your system in synergy and "in tune" in your room.

there was bass slam, pace, rhythm, deep soundstaging and seductive vocals.

enjoy the 300b over the new year...hope it won't induce withdrawal symptoms when we pick them up on the 2nd...hehehe
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 31, 2003 at 09:11 AM
here are pictures of the prototype we demoed last night:

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/300b30a.JPG)

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/300b30b.JPG)

so what is so different from the 2a3? this has deeper , thumping bass (though as it turned out - that was partly due to the tubes used)

soundstage is bigger, and (to me) had a more laid back sound. lucky are the guys who will get this
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Dec 31, 2003 at 09:19 AM

so what is so different from the 2a3? this has deeper , thumping bass (though as it turned out - that was partly due to the tubes used)

another reason for the deeper bass is that 300b has more power than 2a3. Thus, can drive well superman's bookshelves.

Quote
soundstage is bigger, and (to me) had a more laid back sound. lucky are the guys who will get this.

I agree. Bold sound to the Bold guys!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 31, 2003 at 09:39 AM
hi raymond, thanks for the hospitality too...frankly, i was not expecting much from the S2 because i thought they were difficult to drive...but boy, was i proven wrong big time last night! ...you have your system in synergy and "in tune" in your room.

there was bass slam, pace, rhythm, deep soundstaging and seductive vocals.

enjoy the 300b over the new year...hope it won't induce withdrawal symptoms when we pick them up on the 2nd...hehehe

withdrawal symptoms??? i really hope not, hehehe!...thanks really to you for the opportunity of "experiencing" the 300B prototype...i remember i called the "tono" wiredstate preamp as an audio phenomenon...this time, the WS 300B (may pangalan na ba?) is not only an audio phenomenon...but an audio miracle...imagine the synergy of a phenomenon and a miracle??? wow! 8)

CONGRATS TO THE WIREDSTATE TEAM for another world-class product...happy new year...happy new gear! 8)

superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Dec 31, 2003 at 10:38 AM

hi guys!

here are the pictures...last night's session was a "blast"...dami food (as usual)...dami drinks (overflowing)...dami CDs (yahoo!)...great music, great company! 8)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SAASA7ATWZ8zkhhHmujqv9S6HxVcIHwRy9J224gttfEXOe3JJ5pq*hLD!nAZS!*9W35xK9RNFqoQtzsVUGspKNi8D2yRmEzXmihF1Bt*PwMzAAAArXJDAg/300B%20Pic02.JPG?dc=4675453534477545548)

a) picture of the 300B prototype...please take note (according to the wiredstate team) that the 300B amp will not be using the same chassis as the 2A3...it is going to be something different...with faceplate, etc.

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TgAAAGkWrF4zkhhHmujqv3NrhdKY!c7KSfZ6SmoXhEU*mDe8WzIcgG58pxUJS0YItEBF9lS8h356J1iTdZxoTYjnaIpJfuJ3iPS3QI0zUHrjn19uo!KV8Q/300B%20Prototype01.JPG?dc=4675453534900334175)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SABXA7MTCqAzkhhHmujqvxcgCHxUBt4pOWaP6kSisdFe9H622d7zUaUnCIFv*wLg9fsYVTok70727M4TYq7DR4zB7OFfpeghP2GYvzWtOfFGAAAArXKOAg/300B%20Pic05.JPG?dc=4675453539884973003)

b) another set of pictures of the 300B prototype...a beauty, indeed!...not only sa looks but THE SOUND! 8)
...for the initial A-B last night, we used the stock electroharmonix 300B tubes, sylvania 5U4 rectifier and philips 6SL7...then, of course...thanks to sir V_D...off we go to tube rolling...using the TJ 300B (see picture) and national 6SL7...we also used my RCA NOS 5U4G...different characteristics as we rolled from one tube to another...particularly liked the TJs...same with geko...but for iceman, he wants the "bite" of the EH 300B tubes...

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RAAWA5kTNJTWji7ihqXYOLy7QPt*wXSA2eKMamGIUDfrK!AHvzJZCpQWPz89YfZi1WifsSUxw9gLlT05lmgs47xqtUUgsPHPwydij7pyFt0/Judges01.JPG?dc=4675453536034864103)

c) the initial team of judges... (L-R) julsp168, symon, iceman90a (seated), master vintage_dog (back, seated), s2kov, edboy...notice the smile ni symon...he got his preamp last night...i think di pa natutulog up to now! 8)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RADdAp0TIJXWji7ihqXYOFzeW5wVUzxoYZqB!ObM4l3tUGRzdJNcXK9K98Tp3pyNFYRJBGDnV7aL4yvrcssAy1Q0iVxMyzRhu!K4aiDwmHk/Judges05.JPG?dc=4675453537760279724)

d) the next set of judges...this time kumpleto na!...geko and yukon (the boy scout) arrived after wrestling with the "south-superhighway" traffic for 1.5 hours

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RQDcAsoTx6LWji7ihqXYOGwCiJqdt7cgXrm0W6Y6HZUULoRXww7oeCMKTrrYPO5aQKGxY4bjkSbnYH53HD1yXuAxLtsdjVUzWbVSahUdGXg/Judges020.JPG?dc=4675453536768571776)

e) sir V_D entertaining some of our questions and giving a short lecture ala-tubes101


thanks again...we will schedule another session once the 300B is available...more power to WIREDSTATE! 8)

PS:...thanks again to sir V_D...for entertaining our newbie questions...and for the short lecture...SALAMAT PO! 8)


superman 8)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: botching on Dec 31, 2003 at 04:31 PM
 Congrats for a succesful listening session with the new WS 300b set amp!  :)
anak ng pusang gala. kaya pala alang tao sa pinoydvd kagabi ay lasing pala kayo lahat sa pakikinig sa seductive sound ng 300b  8)
i'll bethe first to have this baby ;D but i won't be listening to it until madala ko pa siya dito sa saudi after my vacation kasi narito and setup ko  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Jan 01, 2004 at 12:14 AM
happy new year to all!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Jan 01, 2004 at 02:18 AM
guys,

HAPPY NEW YEAR, and HAPPY NEW GEAR!...january na...naku malapit na ang february...lapit na ang completion ng 300B yehey! 8)

superman 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jan 01, 2004 at 03:21 AM
(http://www.uniquelygifted.com/CandidCards/pictures/move_happynewyear.gif)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: symon on Jan 03, 2004 at 10:53 AM
Hi guys!

I finally got my preamp last Dec. 30, and up to now i'm still in a state of euphoria, este, break-in pala! :) So how do I find the preamp?

- Around the first two hours, I noticed immediately the details that came, although, at first it was very harsh (kulang pa sa break-in eh) yet non fatiguing. This was clearly heard with the plucking of strings and the cymbals. Dave Mathews and Tim Reynolds became more alive! Noticeable as well was the body, the music/instruments now had character.

- Gradually, as the break-in period set-in, the preamp became warmer. Harshness became tamer, but still, the details and body of the instruments stand out.

All I can say is, this pre-amp is so good, I can't do without it anymore (in my system). Every time I listen to my system, I discover new things with what I'm listening to that I never noticed before. Galing talaga!


Set-up (sorry, medyo entry level lang):
- Sony CD Player
- NAD 314 (I used this as my power amp)
- Van Den Hul D102 & Ecosse Composer ICs
- AAudio Speakers
- Eichman speaker cables

CDs (in general, acoustic music):
- Dave Mathews (Some Devil, Live with Tim Reynolds)
- Jobim Songbook
- Sergio Mendez
- Beatles (Abbey Road, White Album, Let It Be - Naked))
- Natalie Merchant (Ophelia)
- Orange & Lemons
- Jack Johnson
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Jan 03, 2004 at 11:55 AM
Hi guys!

I finally got my preamp last Dec. 30, and up to now i'm still in a state of euphoria, este, break-in pala! :) So how do I find the preamp?

- Around the first two hours, I noticed immediately the details that came, although, at first it was very harsh (kulang pa sa break-in eh). This was clearly heard with the plucking of strings and the cymbals. Dave Mathews and Tim Reynolds became more alive! Noticeable as well was the body, the music/instruments became more alive/real/mas buo.

- Gradually, as the break-in period set-in, the preamp became warmer. Harshness became tamer, but still, the details and body of the instruments stand out.

All I can say is, this pre-amp is so good, I can't do without it anymore (in my system). Every time I listen to my system, I discover new things with what I'm listening to that I never noticed before. Galing talaga!


Set-up (sorry, medyo entry level lang):
- Sony CD Player
- NAD 314 (I used this as my power amp)
- Van Den Hul D102 & Ecosse Composer ICs
- AAudio Speakers
- Eichman speaker cables

CDs (in general, acoustic music):
- Dave Mathews (Some Devil, Live with Tim Reynolds)
- Jobim Songbook
- Sergio Mendez
- Beatles (Abbey Road)
- Natalie Merchant (Ophelia)

CONGRATS and enjoy your preamp, bro!...walang tulugan! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Archangel on Jan 03, 2004 at 08:52 PM
I will have to second the "pry the preamp from my cold dead hands" attitude.  I have had the MA B2s for 2 weeks now and I was wondering where the harshness and thinness I heard in my Spectra audition went.  Cristopher Cross and Metallica are listenable now without any fatigue setting in.   My suspicions were confirmed when I tried to relink the pre and power sections of my NAD C320BEE.  The preamp did it!  Can't wait for the B2s to fully break in..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Jan 05, 2004 at 09:04 AM
Symon,

Nice meeting you brod on Superman's den!!! Mine, hindi na ko sanay without the preamp connected with my receiver. 300b amp, it will be another setup hope to get.... :D :D :D


Hi guys!

I finally got my preamp last Dec. 30, and up to now i'm still in a state of euphoria, este, break-in pala! :) So how do I find the preamp?

- Around the first two hours, I noticed immediately the details that came, although, at first it was very harsh (kulang pa sa break-in eh). This was clearly heard with the plucking of strings and the cymbals. Dave Mathews and Tim Reynolds became more alive! Noticeable as well was the body, the music/instruments became more alive/real/mas buo.

- Gradually, as the break-in period set-in, the preamp became warmer. Harshness became tamer, but still, the details and body of the instruments stand out.

All I can say is, this pre-amp is so good, I can't do without it anymore (in my system). Every time I listen to my system, I discover new things with what I'm listening to that I never noticed before. Galing talaga!


Set-up (sorry, medyo entry level lang):
- Sony CD Player
- NAD 314 (I used this as my power amp)
- Van Den Hul D102 & Ecosse Composer ICs
- AAudio Speakers
- Eichman speaker cables

CDs (in general, acoustic music):
- Dave Mathews (Some Devil, Live with Tim Reynolds)
- Jobim Songbook
- Sergio Mendez
- Beatles (Abbey Road)
- Natalie Merchant (Ophelia)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: symon on Jan 05, 2004 at 09:52 AM
Symon,

Nice meeting you brod on Superman's den!!! Mine, hindi na ko sanay without the preamp connected with my receiver. 300b amp, it will be another setup hope to get.... :D :D :D


sir s2kov,

nice meeting you too sir! :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 05, 2004 at 10:15 AM
I will have to second the "pry the preamp from my cold dead hands" attitude.  I have had the MA B2s for 2 weeks now and I was wondering where the harshness and thinness I heard in my Spectra audition went.  Cristopher Cross and Metallica are listenable now without any fatigue setting in.   My suspicions were confirmed when I tried to relink the pre and power sections of my NAD C320BEE.  The preamp did it!  Can't wait for the B2s to fully break in..
OT.
bro,

finally you got your b2s, hehe. congrats and welcome to the club!!! pero na unahan mo ako sa ws preamp, tsk tsk tsk. am still contemplating the ws upgrade. am saving up for something else eh. :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Archangel on Jan 05, 2004 at 04:46 PM
OT.
bro,

finally you got your b2s, hehe. congrats and welcome to the club!!! pero na unahan mo ako sa ws preamp, tsk tsk tsk. am still contemplating the ws upgrade. am saving up for something else eh. :)

Thanks man.  I now understand why the B2s are considered B&W killers.  They have the same strength in details and highs but the MAs do not suffer from the pickiness of the B&Ws because of the smooth treble.  Plus the bass is soft and lush which is probably why I could not appreciate it during my Spectra audition.  The preamp of course is due a lot of the credit for the good music I am now enjoying.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jan 07, 2004 at 12:02 AM
we're pleased to share this piece of good news from botching in saudi arabia:

"Congratulations and thanks to the WS diy team for the eagle-tono(with WS diy cable) has landed yesterday night in saudi arabia!  This is a milestone - a first ever Pinoy design/made audio gear to reach this shore, ever  :) My wife liked the violet interconnect. It looks so pretty daw.

First i was really relieved when i started the tono and it worked perfectly. i'm a little bit anxious that it might be damaged during transit.

Its really fantastic! i never expected it to be this good. Using MF a3 integrated + MF fcd tube cdp (tele ecc88with janphilips 6922 low noise for tube rolling later) + concertino and epos 11 (c/o deep purple. actually its gift from him. he's migrating to canada next week and he's here with me now. Problema! gustong isama ang tono sa toronto. I told him padadalhan ko na lang sya doon later.

I'm using the WS interconnect between cdp and preamp. Then a vandelhul 102Mk3 for tono to mf a3 connected to cd input. I'll do evaluation of testing of cables later i'm just enjoying the music now.
Just shifted all audio gears to sala. 6 meters x 5 meters approx and 1 meter away from front wall. Speakers aroung 2.2 meters apart from center of the room

Most notable improvements:
1. imaging - more body to instruments and added flesh to the singers
2. walls, ceiling disappeared
3. wider, deeper soundstage
4. bass weight improved, dont know how, tubes not supposed to, but it did
5. images almost tangible now
6. i could now imagine the recording venues wheter live or in a studio.
7. Tono seemed to bring forth details and ambience that before were very faint
8. I can now magine the singers and performers in front of me without having to close my eyes
9. The cymbal especially brush really shimmers, send shivers in my spine sometimes

And this is just after a couple of hours of listening with the tono still unbroken!

More reviews from kababayan here will follow.

Excellent job WS diy team! Tono will soon conquer the middle east ! To infinity and beyond !  :D   :D   :D"


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rpm on Jan 07, 2004 at 08:56 AM
Good morning, to Vintage Dog and the rest of the WS team, any update on the WS integrated amp.  Will it be available by February (or March), as you have targetted?My WS pre-amp is already waiting for it.  Thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 07, 2004 at 10:01 AM
we're pleased to share this piece of good news from botching in saudi arabia:

"Congratulations and thanks to the WS diy team for the eagle-tono(with WS diy cable) has landed yesterday night in saudi arabia!  This is a milestone - a first ever Pinoy design/made audio gear to reach this shore, ever  :) My wife liked the violet interconnect. It looks so pretty daw.

First i was really relieved when i started the tono and it worked perfectly. i'm a little bit anxious that it might be damaged during transit.

Its really fantastic! i never expected it to be this good. Using MF a3 integrated + MF fcd tube cdp (tele ecc88with janphilips 6922 low noise for tube rolling later) + concertino and epos 11 (c/o deep purple. actually its gift from him. he's migrating to canada next week and he's here with me now. Problema! gustong isama ang tono sa toronto. I told him padadalhan ko na lang sya doon later.

I'm using the WS interconnect between cdp and preamp. Then a vandelhul 102Mk3 for tono to mf a3 connected to cd input. I'll do evaluation of testing of cables later i'm just enjoying the music now.
Just shifted all audio gears to sala. 6 meters x 5 meters approx and 1 meter away from front wall. Speakers aroung 2.2 meters apart from center of the room

Most notable improvements:
1. imaging - more body to instruments and added flesh to the singers
2. walls, ceiling disappeared
3. wider, deeper soundstage
4. bass weight improved, dont know how, tubes not supposed to, but it did
5. images almost tangible now
6. i could now imagine the recording venues wheter live or in a studio.
7. Tono seemed to bring forth details and ambience that before were very faint
8. I can now magine the singers and performers in front of me without having to close my eyes
9. The cymbal especially brush really shimmers, send shivers in my spine sometimes

And this is just after a couple of hours of listening with the tono still unbroken!

More reviews from kababayan here will follow.

Excellent job WS diy team! Tono will soon conquer the middle east ! To infinity and beyond !  :D   :D   :D"


huhuhu, reading more reviews like this and i wont be able to hold back na. am saving up for something else kasi  :( :( :(
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Jan 07, 2004 at 10:34 AM
rpm, the wiredstate integrated will be available on time and can be auditioned soon.  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rpm on Jan 07, 2004 at 11:55 AM
Thanks arnold, please inform us when and where we can audition. Thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jan 07, 2004 at 07:18 PM
update from our middle east bureau: ;D

Tono will be undergoing a series of sound evaluation in 3 diferent agents shop here:
Another succesful listening session last night for TONO(MF agents shop) using very expensive MF A308 cdp/pre/power combo driving tannoy eyris/canterburry. Reviews will follow later after tono's next sound evaluation/fist fights against the likes of ARC/ps/wadia(agent's shop) audio gears using . . . sonus cremona , cremona auditor, amati and hopefully the stradivari( when it arrive here on time). TONO in a picture with a stravidari under it, as a stand, Wow! The last bout (in local agent's shop) will be with NAD/Castle/Naim gears.
Photos will posted later because i'm just using analog slr.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Jan 07, 2004 at 08:06 PM
patay si Sir Botching sa shipping pag nagkataon - 33 pounds ang prototype ng 300b...  ;D

pano pa kaya yung production model??
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rpm on Jan 08, 2004 at 09:02 AM
To the WS project team, how much would the 300b cost? would it be able to drive (with ease) MA b2 speakers? who knows I may be able to afford it, instead of getting the WS integrated amp.

It is safe to assume that since the integrated amp has been fine tuned with MA b2, that it can can drive said speakers with ease.  Thanks again.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Jan 08, 2004 at 09:11 AM
my experience with the MA B2 - it is more difficult to drive than the Infinity Kappa, JBL LX2002, or heck even a Spendor S3/5 at 84dB sensitivity. my BOSE 301 Continental is easier to drive.  :o

...but i did not answer your question. i will have an answer for you real soon.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jan 10, 2004 at 11:30 PM
from the saudi front (c/o botching):

"Yesterday's session was another success. Now tono has gone 3 bouts all win by knockouts. By the rate listeners have been saying the same glowing praises over and over again, I may have to do sessions with ear plugs! I’m also running out of words to translate in english their comments. This tono is an audio miracle.
Home demo is really the proper way to demonstrate the benefits of inserting the tono to an existing audio setup. The difference the tono makes in an existing audio setup is discernible within seconds especially with average setups.
Seriously, I won’t get tired of seeing the smiles on the happy faces of our kababayan whenever they hear the tono , makes you really feel good inside.
I wont have to do a home demo again till next Thursday or friday perhaps. By Sunday or Monday I’ll probably bring the tono for a session with the sonus/ARC. The following days will be busy for me – new projects are coming up(job related), so I want to get over with the sessions with agents for sonus/ARC and NAD/castle
I just picked up the tono from the MF shop last night. Our friend there seemed  reluctant to return it back. He wants to use it to demo his expensive amps/speakers, How’s that for a compliment?"

thanks botching!  this note made us mighty proud!  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jan 10, 2004 at 11:33 PM
effective immediately, 'tono' will be sold at the regular (non-discounted) price: P12,800

thank you to all those who supported us and availed of the discounted prices in november and december.

each one of you is shown with a happy face below:


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Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Jan 11, 2004 at 12:20 PM
vintage,

you are probably referring to another WS project coz the original price of the tono preamp was P8,250, right bro?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jan 11, 2004 at 04:54 PM
vintage,

you are probably referring to another WS project coz the original price of the tono preamp was P8,250, right bro?

no, 8,250 was the special introductory price for the tono when we first started.  but anyway, to avoid confusion, i have modified the announcement above...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Jan 11, 2004 at 10:23 PM
no, 8,250 was the special introductory price for the tono when we first started.  but anyway, to avoid confusion, i have modified the announcement above...



ah ok. dami na pala happy owners of the tono preamp so far. sure glad to be one of them happy souls :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ZEPHYR on Jan 12, 2004 at 09:46 PM
no, 8,250 was the special introductory price for the tono when we first started.  but anyway, to avoid confusion, i have modified the announcement above...


 :) Well Im also one the 55 happy and lucky owners of the "Tono" Preamp. Now knowing that I got mine at P4,550 less than the original price is one heck of a Christmas gift I might say, glad that I didn't hesitated on this upgrade.

Thanks vintage_dog and to all the Wirestate people behind the "Tono" Preamp wonder.  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: botching on Jan 13, 2004 at 01:14 PM
Thanks for the WS diy team for giving us (55 happy guys) the chance to own an excellent sounding preamp at a very low price.
Guys they waited until all of us who want to own the preamp have actually bought them before they made the retail price 12,8k. They could have raised the price after 10 or 20 units have been sold and still many would buy them. BUT THEY DID NOT! :)
Let us continue supporting them so that they could create better/affordable gear for the ordinary pinoy. Best of all buy our own!  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: botching on Jan 14, 2004 at 04:40 PM
finally pictures of Tono from the middle east,

aba, ganire pala ang saudi!

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in my humble system

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boxing match with MF a308 cd/pre/power with tannoy spkrs

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taekwando with ARC and Sonus Cremon and Cremona auditor, Ang lakas ng loob lumaban nitong tono sa mga heavyweights !

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Hindi nga tayo napahiya guys ! congrats to our WS diy team! See the Korean agent (sitting) for Sonus/ARC he was mesmerized too by the tono. Even the WS interconnect was much admired for it looks.
Many praises have been heaped upon the tono. All the guys who heard the tono here were much impressed by it. Wait till they hear the 300b when I bring it back with me this last week of march. Most of the Pinoy were also glad that finally pinoy made audio gears might soon be available to them here, inshallah ! (God willing, sabi nga ng mga arabo). Some shots in other sessions Ive had were badly taken (unsteady hands  new to slr, just my 3rd roll of film), I cant post them.
Youre doing a great job WS diy team! You made us all pinoy audiophile proud!


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Jan 14, 2004 at 04:46 PM
congrats to the WIREDSTATE group! 8)

hey botching, nice pics! 8)

thanks!

superman 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: edboy7 on Jan 14, 2004 at 05:10 PM
wow...sonus cremona!!! :o....nakahanap ka ng katapat!!!...GAWANG NOYPI PA!!! ;D...Thanks bos botching for the pics!!!CONGRATS WIREDSTATE!!! ;D

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Jan 14, 2004 at 06:52 PM
Huh!!! Akala nyo ah!!! :P :P :P Gawang pinoy to ooyyy!!! Seriously speaking, nice setup and listening room you have botching.... :D :D :D

Goodluck for another bout of this baby.... ;) ;) ;)CONGRATS WS Team....
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: eposman on Jan 17, 2004 at 06:26 PM
Hello everybody. Here's our chromed TB 2A3 partnered with the WS preamp
(http://HyperText Transfer Protocol)
and the internal wiring...
(http://HyperText Transfer Protocol)
We used silver wire inside, had the entire chassis chromed, replaced the Jackcon caps with F&T. Tube complement: NOS Sylvania 12AU7, RCA 5U4, and the Sovtek 2A3"s.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jan 18, 2004 at 03:58 AM
nice work on Wiredstate's Tubong Bastos 2A3!

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Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: botching on Jan 19, 2004 at 06:16 PM
posting for eposman:


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Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Jan 21, 2004 at 03:18 PM
any update on the 300B project??? 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jan 21, 2004 at 05:46 PM
any update on the 300B project??? 8)

this is for late-feb/early-mar release as earlier communicated... :)

still working on the parts...chassis has the longest leadtime... :-[
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 26, 2004 at 07:22 PM
Wiredstate team

Would like to thank you guys for making the 300B a reality for us newbie sa tube and set.. and providing us the 300B for home audition..

my impression and expectation of the 300B was soaring although have not own a set amp... excited on whats in store for me,  when i got to Sir Akyat condo i openly suggest if we can hear it before we proceed to Narayan house..and as two lucky guys we hurried up to his house and hook it up and match it with Pioneer DVD and Monitor Audio B2

We played OPM accoustic 1st this recording when played on a SS amp would sometimes bright.. but with the 300B were both startled and astounded with the fine detail and clarity with no sign of brightness.  akyat said... pare ayos ito ah.. iba pala...still amazed and shaking my head told akyat to move to track 3 NIna's jealeous... and mmmhh hay... swabe!!!  8) 8)



then James16 arrived sat and listen pre yan yun WS 300B ah galing ah.. we almost finish the accoustic cd.. and got an itch to play orchestra music.. james put out his VCD soundtrack..





este CD soundtrack pala.. play pearl harbor soundtrack and the 300B gives the music a diff attack and rendetion :o :o we tried to push the volume to see if it can handle but i feel this track provide the amp a hell of work that some part got distortion.. nevertheless this track should be played with the sub on to max the music..so we fix the volume to moderate..

now i know that the SET amp are for mature and serious type of music lovers and not for party man..kaya step aside and give way coz its coming mabigat kasi eh  ;D ;D

Thanks ulit Sir VD
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 27, 2004 at 10:48 AM
Pre,

WS 300B + Hafler + Tono + B4 ka na niyan!!! ;D

Wiredstate team

Would like to thank you guys for making the 300B a reality for us newbie sa tube and set.. and providing us the 300B for home audition..

my impression and expectation of the 300B was soaring although have not own a set amp... excited on whats in store for me,  when i got to Sir Akyat condo i openly suggest if we can hear it before we proceed to Narayan house..and as two lucky guys we hurried up to his house and hook it up and match it with Pioneer DVD and Monitor Audio B2

We played OPM accoustic 1st this recording when played on a SS amp would sometimes bright.. but with the 300B were both startled and astounded with the fine detail and clarity with no sign of brightness.  akyat said... pare ayos ito ah.. iba pala...still amazed and shaking my head told akyat to move to track 3 NIna's jealeous... and mmmhh hay... swabe!!!  8) 8)



then James16 arrived sat and listen pre yan yun WS 300B ah galing ah.. we almost finish the accoustic cd.. and got an itch to play orchestra music.. james put out his VCD soundtrack..





este CD soundtrack pala.. play pearl harbor soundtrack and the 300B gives the music a diff attack and rendetion :o :o we tried to push the volume to see if it can handle but i feel this track provide the amp a hell of work that some part got distortion.. nevertheless this track should be played with the sub on to max the music..so we fix the volume to moderate..

now i know that the SET amp are for mature and serious type of music lovers and not for party man..kaya step aside and give way coz its coming mabigat kasi eh  ;D ;D

Thanks ulit Sir VD
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Jan 27, 2004 at 03:01 PM
Wiredstate team

Would like to thank you guys for making the 300B a reality for us newbie sa tube and set.. and providing us the 300B for home audition..

my impression and expectation of the 300B was soaring although have not own a set amp... excited on whats in store for me,  when i got to Sir Akyat condo i openly suggest if we can hear it before we proceed to Narayan house..and as two lucky guys we hurried up to his house and hook it up and match it with Pioneer DVD and Monitor Audio B2

We played OPM accoustic 1st this recording when played on a SS amp would sometimes bright.. but with the 300B were both startled and astounded with the fine detail and clarity with no sign of brightness.  akyat said... pare ayos ito ah.. iba pala...still amazed and shaking my head told akyat to move to track 3 NIna's jealeous... and mmmhh hay... swabe!!!  8) 8)



then James16 arrived sat and listen pre yan yun WS 300B ah galing ah.. we almost finish the accoustic cd.. and got an itch to play orchestra music.. james put out his VCD soundtrack..





este CD soundtrack pala.. play pearl harbor soundtrack and the 300B gives the music a diff attack and rendetion :o :o we tried to push the volume to see if it can handle but i feel this track provide the amp a hell of work that some part got distortion.. nevertheless this track should be played with the sub on to max the music..so we fix the volume to moderate..

now i know that the SET amp are for mature and serious type of music lovers and not for party man..kaya step aside and give way coz its coming mabigat kasi eh  ;D ;D

Thanks ulit Sir VD

hans,

makabagbag-damdamin ang iyong posts...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Jan 28, 2004 at 01:23 PM
hi sir V_D!

we're planning to have a listening session at my place either february 21 or 28 (saturday), 6:00pm onwards...would it be possible to borow (again) the 300B prototype so that we can demo it to those who would want to give it a "serious" listen???

also, any updates on the 300B projects??? are the chassis OK na???

thanks and god bless! 8)


superman 8)

guys,  guys, guys...please PM me or send me an SMS (0918-9284868) if you'll be available on these dates...thanks again! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Vrion on Jan 28, 2004 at 03:00 PM
Hi Jen,

Let me know kung kelan,  Im interested, thanks.

Boos V_D,

Me running list pa ba after the 300B's "dirty dozen"?  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jan 28, 2004 at 03:45 PM

Boos V_D,

Me running list pa ba after the 300B's "dirty dozen"?  :)

let's see if anyone backs out end-feb when amps are out...otherwise, you can still avail of the discounted price, but with the stock tubes (same as the ones on the prototype)..

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jan 28, 2004 at 03:52 PM
guys,

the 300b prototype amp is with hans.  pls contact him directly if you want to home audition.  just leave a note here once you get them...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 02, 2004 at 05:47 PM
Guys,

you can text me 0922-8061238.  



pre - nakanino na yung 300b? ty  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Feb 03, 2004 at 03:27 AM
Wiredstate Group,

   Thanks for the replacement knobs. It was delivered pa. Excellent service talaga, more reason to buy wiredstate projects. More power.


Levi
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: geko on Feb 03, 2004 at 06:51 PM
pre - nakanino na yung 300b? ty  :)

papila rin.  thanks.  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rony on Feb 03, 2004 at 07:41 PM
pwede rin ba maki audition ng 300b
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: hkfoam on Feb 05, 2004 at 10:09 AM
Sir Vintage Dog,

you got pm from me

hkfoam
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 08, 2004 at 08:52 AM
hi sir V_D!

any update on the 300B project??? how 'bout the el-34 pentode integrated prototype??? we can let the pinoydvd and wiredstate guys listen to these babies on february 28 at my place...thanks! 8)

superman 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 08, 2004 at 11:01 PM
 update:

300b amp - best estimate is end-Feb/early-March...delays due to manufacture/chroming of chassis...  :(

EL34 integrated amp - prototype on bare chassis now with me ready for audition!  :)

superman, once again, thank you for hosting the next listening session at your home...we'll have bothe the 300b amp and the EL34 integrated amp ready!

cheers!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 07:59 AM
update:

300b amp - best estimate is end-Feb/early-March...delays due to manufacture/chroming of chassis...  :(

EL34 integrated amp - prototype on bare chassis now with me ready for audition!  :)

superman, once again, thank you for hosting the next listening session at your home...we'll have bothe the 300b amp and the EL34 integrated amp ready!

cheers!


hi guys!

it's confirmed...those who would like to give the Wiredstate 300B and the EL-34 Pentode Integrated Amp a listen, we'll have a listening session at my place on february 28, 2004 (saturday), 7:00pm onwards...please PM me or text me 0918-9284868if you're joining us...

hey iceman90a, yukon, julsp168, geko and symon...i'm assuming you're in!...thanks! 8)


superman 8)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rpm on Feb 09, 2004 at 08:26 AM
For you guys who will be lucky to audition the WS projects, I hope your can post your impressions ASAP.  I am more interested in the integrated amp (due to budget limitation) and hope you can pair it with MA B2 in your session.

Thanks

 
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 08:50 AM
For you guys who will be lucky to audition the WS projects, I hope your can post your impressions ASAP.  I am more interested in the integrated amp (due to budget limitation) and hope you can pair it with MA B2 in your session.

Thanks

 

hi rpm!

why not try joining the session??? you can bring your MA B2s or i'll ask iceman90a to bring his MA B2s...para you can really "hear" the magic of the pentode...thanks! 8)

superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: lance on Feb 09, 2004 at 09:08 AM
Mga sir, ask ko lang po. I know many of you here owns a tube gear, can you please share some thoughts on how reliable is a tube gear, like preamps and amps? Im just thinking if ever i decided to buy,  ??? ss reciever or a tube gears? especially yung mga entry level lang po. Thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 09:56 AM
Mga sir, ask ko lang po. I know many of you here owns a tube gear, can you please share some thoughts on how reliable is a tube gear, like preamps and amps? Im just thinking if ever i decided to buy,  ??? ss reciever or a tube gears? especially yung mga entry level lang po. Thanks.

bro,

might as well join us sa listening session para you'll "hear" the difference...you're always welcome to join us...just PM or text me...thanks! 8)

superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 09:57 AM
Hi Jen,

Let me know kung kelan,  Im interested, thanks.

Boos V_D,

Me running list pa ba after the 300B's "dirty dozen"?  :)

bro. vrion...

please feel free to join us on february 28, 2004...text me to confirm your attendance...thanks! 8)

superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 10:23 AM
bro. vrion...

please feel free to join us on february 28, 2004...text me to confirm your attendance...thanks! 8)

superman 8)



vrion already confirmed...thanks! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: lance on Feb 09, 2004 at 11:08 AM
bro,

might as well join us sa listening session para you'll "hear" the difference...you're always welcome to join us...just PM or text me...thanks! 8)

superman 8)




 :(Sir gusto ko na nga rin sanang makasama sa listening sessions na tulad nito especially with tube gears kaso problema kay misis eh. Hirap magpaalam, siguro pag ready na kong bumili may reason na ako kasi for sure sa isip non lakwatsa lang ang gagawin ko. :-\ for now research muna ako..reliability ang inuuna kong alamin coz gusto ko makakasama ko ng matagal ang bibilhin ko eh. Thanks bro. :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 11:20 AM
:(Sir gusto ko na nga rin sanang makasama sa listening sessions na tulad nito especially with tube gears kaso problema kay misis eh. Hirap magpaalam, siguro pag ready na kong bumili may reason na ako kasi for sure sa isip non lakwatsa lang ang gagawin ko. :-\ for now research muna ako..reliability ang inuuna kong alamin coz gusto ko makakasama ko ng matagal ang bibilhin ko eh. Thanks bro. :)

there are some questions kasi that can be accurately answered only during the listening session, some can be answered by theory, but experience is still the best teacher...plus, of course, the wiredstate gurus are also joining us...as for reliability...all WS products are 100% reliable, lifetime free service (tama ba sir V_D???) pa...anyway, do let us know na lang...thanks! 8)

superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 12:40 PM
so far, the following have confirmed their attendance on the 28th:

1) iceman90a
2) vrion
3) yukon

thanks!  8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: botching on Feb 09, 2004 at 01:19 PM
hey superman i'll be coming earlier, nandyan na ako sa pinas on feb 26 so maybe i can join your session on 28.
what time ang session and what's your address pre ?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 01:23 PM
hey superman i'll be coming earlier, nandyan na ako sa pinas on feb 26 so maybe i can join your session on 28.
what time ang session and what's your address pre ?

yahoo!...pasalubong...i'll send you a PM bro...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 01:29 PM
so far, the following have confirmed their attendance on the 28th:

1) iceman90a
2) vrion
3) yukon

thanks!  8)



4) botching
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 01:32 PM
4) botching

5) symon
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: qguy on Feb 09, 2004 at 05:15 PM
pwede pa ba sumama  ?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: botching on Feb 09, 2004 at 05:23 PM
ty for pm. sent u reply
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 09, 2004 at 05:28 PM
pwede pa ba sumama  ?

6) jvm

sure qguy...send me a PM if you need directions...

thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 09, 2004 at 07:36 PM
the reason we encourage folks to audition our gear is not only to check on compatibility, etc. but importantly for folks to experience first hand how the gear sounds.

the WS 300b amp and the WS integrated amp are two different amps with different character.  rather than us describing them to you, it is far better for you to 'discover' them for yourselves.

note that both amps are less than 10wpc, so they should be used with speakers that are at least 90db...they will NOT compete with 100wpc amps (tube or SS) on bass and dynamics if medium sensitivity speakers are used.  where SE amps excel are in the midrange and their refinement in "portraying the soul of the music"...but that is vague, right?   so better listen to them na lang  :)

i suggest that in your listening session,  use only 3 amps - the 2A3, the 300B and the EL34SE....and spend time enjoying the music with each.  what you prefer is a matter of personal taste.

2A3 is 3wpc, 300b is 8wpc and the EL84SE is about 10wpc.  all 3 will sound best with the tono!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: lomi on Feb 09, 2004 at 10:12 PM
hi! pwede rin ba akong sumali?  saan yung place?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 09, 2004 at 10:30 PM
there are some questions kasi that can be accurately answered only during the listening session, some can be answered by theory, but experience is still the best teacher...plus, of course, the wiredstate gurus are also joining us...as for reliability...all WS products are 100% reliable, lifetime free service (tama ba sir V_D???) pa...anyway, do let us know na lang...thanks! 8)

superman 8)



well, baka hindi naman 100%...tubes, caps may fail due to manufacturing defect, but we guarantee them 90 days with full replacement...labor and service are free for life (for so long as we are still alive)  ;D

but what sets our products apart from those commercially available are:

- quality parts.  even some imported amps do NOT have the same parts as we do
- quality circuit - made by the WS DIY group...fully tested and improved until we are all satisfied...
- quality sound - now you decide.  our tono preamp was compared with much more expensive gear and the tono easily competes and beats most of them
- quality construction - point to point wiring, neat and well-planned lay-out minus the clutter...
- quality service.   immediate replacement of defective units within 90 days.  we guarantee lifetime service for free (except parts).
- quality price - now compare them to importad named brands, and you know what i mean.  

 
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 10, 2004 at 08:20 AM
hi! pwede rin ba akong sumali?  saan yung place?

hi lomi!

sure, just send me an sms 0918-9284868 or PM me...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 10, 2004 at 08:22 AM
well, baka hindi naman 100%...tubes, caps may fail due to manufacturing defect, but we guarantee them 90 days with full replacement...labor and service are free for life (for so long as we are still alive)  ;D

but what sets our products apart from those commercially available are:

- quality parts.  even some imported amps do NOT have the same parts as we do
- quality circuit - made by the WS DIY group...fully tested and improved until we are all satisfied...
- quality sound - now you decide.  our tono preamp was compared with much more expensive gear and the tono easily competes and beats most of them
- quality construction - point to point wiring, neat and well-planned lay-out minus the clutter...
- quality service.   immediate replacement of defective units within 90 days.  we guarantee lifetime service for free (except parts).
- quality price - now compare them to importad named brands, and you know what i mean.  

 

i agree... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: lance on Feb 10, 2004 at 09:07 AM
well, baka hindi naman 100%...tubes, caps may fail due to manufacturing defect, but we guarantee them 90 days with full replacement...labor and service are free for life (for so long as we are still alive)  ;D

but what sets our products apart from those commercially available are:

- quality parts.  even some imported amps do NOT have the same parts as we do
- quality circuit - made by the WS DIY group...fully tested and improved until we are all satisfied...
- quality sound - now you decide.  our tono preamp was compared with much more expensive gear and the tono easily competes and beats most of them
- quality construction - point to point wiring, neat and well-planned lay-out minus the clutter...
- quality service.   immediate replacement of defective units within 90 days.  we guarantee lifetime service for free (except parts).
- quality price - now compare them to importad named brands, and you know what i mean.  

 


Thanks sir, coz right now i'm more into music than movie and im thinking that if ever i decided to buy (not in the near future), im contemplating between a receiver and a tube gear. And considering the durability, i think tube gears have the edge especially WS products. Sana magkaroon ng himala na magkaroon ako ng pambili at payagan ni misis. hayyyyy.....sana lang:)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: isak0411 on Feb 10, 2004 at 09:32 AM
so far, the following have confirmed their attendance on the 28th:

1) iceman90a
2) vrion
3) yukon
4) isak0411
thanks!  8)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Feb 10, 2004 at 10:11 AM


senatorial candidates ba to? ;D

sama rin ako dyan. ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 10, 2004 at 12:15 PM
isak0411, julsp168...see you on the 28th! thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: RU9 on Feb 11, 2004 at 01:30 PM
my experience with the MA B2 - it is more difficult to drive than the Infinity Kappa, JBL LX2002, or heck even a Spendor S3/5 at 84dB sensitivity. my BOSE 301 Continental is easier to drive.  :o

...but i did not answer your question. i will have an answer for you real soon.

What makes a speaker tube friendly?

http://www.symphonysound.com/articles/tubefriendly.html
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Garp on Feb 11, 2004 at 01:38 PM
This maybe OT but if I may ask the question: Then I guess the Klipsch reference speakers aren't tube friendly? It drops down to 2.6ohm although sensitivity is very high.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Feb 11, 2004 at 03:53 PM
garp, exactly my experience.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Blade on Feb 12, 2004 at 11:10 AM
isak0411, julsp168...see you on the 28th! thanks! 8)

bro isak...sama ka pala...pasabay ako para makapakinig ng WS...
bro superman...ok lang ba sumama...
thanks...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: isak0411 on Feb 13, 2004 at 08:16 AM
bro isak...sama ka pala...pasabay ako para makapakinig ng WS...
bro superman...ok lang ba sumama...
thanks...


txt mo lang ako bro.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Feb 13, 2004 at 11:43 AM
bro isak...sama ka pala...pasabay ako para makapakinig ng WS...
bro superman...ok lang ba sumama...
thanks...


out of town na yata si superman...

hey blade, am sure gusto ka niyang sumama.

duon naman kaya tayo magsugba ng baboy at manok?...

heheh...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 13, 2004 at 11:57 AM

duon naman kaya tayo magsugba ng baboy at manok?...

heheh...

sagot mo ba yung baboy na ilelechon natin  :D magdala tayo ng ihawan, baka murahin tayo ni Superman pag nag bonfire tayo sa bubong nila  ;D (di ba Scout Master?)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: geko on Feb 13, 2004 at 07:53 PM

sagot mo ba yung baboy na ilelechon natin  :D magdala tayo ng ihawan, baka murahin tayo ni Superman pag nag bonfire tayo sa bubong nila  ;D (di ba Scout Master?)

heheheh.  tagal naman ng listening session...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Feb 13, 2004 at 09:28 PM

sagot mo ba yung baboy na ilelechon natin  :D magdala tayo ng ihawan, baka murahin tayo ni Superman pag nag bonfire tayo sa bubong nila  ;D (di ba Scout Master?)

mas maganda yata kung sagot mo ang baboy (at manok minus the bird flu ha) kasi mas malapit ka kila Superman. nye heheheh...

sagot ko na lang yong uling, yong luto at yong pag-kain. boy scout yata 'to.

(sagot ni geko yong sugbahan. nye heheheh)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Feb 14, 2004 at 10:35 AM
listening session ba yan o fiesta?  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 16, 2004 at 03:57 PM
bro isak...sama ka pala...pasabay ako para makapakinig ng WS...
bro superman...ok lang ba sumama...
thanks...


sorry for the late reply...sure, bro! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 16, 2004 at 04:00 PM
dala na lang kayo ng luto na para less hassle... 8)

sorry ha, just got back from a trip...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 16, 2004 at 10:59 PM
Good news to the Magic 12 who pre-ordered the "Tono 300B" amp:

Your unit will have the highly acclaimed Mesh-plate with Titanium oxide coating 300b!!

(http://www.diyhifisupply.com/images/tube_supplies/titanium300b.JPG)

Tubes have been ordered and being curved-traced using the sophisticated Sofia tube tester for perfect matching!  These are Class A select tubes, NOT SECONDS!  NO existing commercial 300b tube amp locally offers this tube.  They are yours as a bonus!  We took the hit on exchange rate and higher cost to give a smile on your faces.  Don't settle for anything less!

WS GUARANTEES PREMIUM PARTS EVEN SURPASSING AMPS COSTING 2-5 TIMES MORE!!!

Find out if your amp has:
- Point-to-point wiring
- premium wires used
- AURICAP coupling
- BLACKGATE bias caps
- NOS 6SL7 (NOT RUSSIAN OR CHINESE) TUBES
- NOS RECTIFIER TUBES (NOT chinese or russian)
- heavy duty gold-plated binding posts and RCAs
- TITANIUM COATED MESH PLATE 300B TUBES
- ceramic sockets!

WS exclusive designs (not clones of others) - fully tested!  High-end sound without the attitude :-)
Listen and believe!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 16, 2004 at 11:23 PM

Coming very soon:  The Tono 300B Amp!

Only limited quantities available and by invitation only to WS supporters.

For info, the Tono 300B Amp will only be sold exclusively to existing Tono preamp users.

This is a gift to the local audiophile community by the DIY-hard members at Wiredstate.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 16, 2004 at 11:37 PM

Coming very soon:  The Tono 300B Amp!

Only limited quantities available and by invitation only to WS supporters.

For info, the Tono 300B Amp will only be sold exclusively to existing Tono preamp users.

This is a gift to the local audiophile community by the DIY-hard members at Wiredstate.


Yahoo! patience is indeed rewarded (teka sama ako dyan di ba Sir?)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 16, 2004 at 11:38 PM
Yahoo! patience is indeed rewarded (teka sama ako dyan di ba Sir?)

a unit is reserved for you
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Feb 17, 2004 at 01:13 AM
Any ETA sir VD?just allocating my budget hehe ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 17, 2004 at 02:22 AM
first unit to be available/ready for the listening session at superman's, but most units will be available early March...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Feb 17, 2004 at 03:08 AM
thanks...patience is a virtue  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 17, 2004 at 08:58 AM
first unit to be available/ready for the listening session at superman's, but most units will be available early March...




YAHOOOOOO!

thanks so much sir!...indeed, it's worth the wait!... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 17, 2004 at 08:59 AM
Good news to the Magic 12 who pre-ordered the "Tono 300B" amp:

Your unit will have the highly acclaimed Mesh-plate with Titanium oxide coating 300b!!

(http://www.diyhifisupply.com/images/tube_supplies/titanium300b.JPG)

Tubes have been ordered and being curved-traced using the sophisticated Sofia tube tester for perfect matching!  These are Class A select tubes, NOT SECONDS!  NO existing commercial 300b tube amp locally offers this tube.  They are yours as a bonus!  We took the hit on exchange rate and higher cost to give a smile on your faces.  Don't settle for anything less!

WS GUARANTEES PREMIUM PARTS EVEN SURPASSING AMPS COSTING 2-5 TIMES MORE!!!

Find out if your amp has:
- Point-to-point wiring
- premium wires used
- AURICAP coupling
- BLACKGATE bias caps
- NOS 6SL7 (NOT RUSSIAN OR CHINESE) TUBES
- NOS RECTIFIER TUBES (NOT chinese or russian)
- heavy duty gold-plated binding posts and RCAs
- TITANIUM COATED MESH PLATE 300B TUBES
- ceramic sockets!

WS exclusive designs (not clones of others) - fully tested!  High-end sound without the attitude :-)
Listen and believe!



this is indeed a BLESSING! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 17, 2004 at 09:10 AM
by the way, for those attending the listening session on the 28th, please confirm thru PM or thru text (0918-9284868)...hopefully, we will have the 300B ready (yahoo!, thanks sir V-D!) and the pentode integrated amp prototype...come onoe, come all! 8)

thanks! god bless!

superman 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 17, 2004 at 09:21 AM
CURVE TRACING TONO 300B TUBES BY DIYHIFISUPPLY:

"Many questions about tube testing and matching have been asked. I use a Sofia tube tester. This machine offers a number of advantages over traditional tube testers.

1. It is fully programmable which means any filament voltage, B+ and bias voltage can be dialed in by the accompanying software.


2. Rather than just a good/?/bad reading or a single point Gm it outputs a multiple operating point curve trace which reveals problems that may be missed by other tube testers. For example the first of an 11 point curve trace for a 300B tube could start with an applied bias of -20V and a B+ of 75V. The B+ is continuously increased up to 225V producing a curve showing the current flow at any voltage between 75 and 225V. This is repeated at 11 different bias V from -20 to -150V with each incremental increase in bias voltage accompanied by an incremental increase in B+ until the last trace which would be operating at -100V and 350 to 450V B+. A curve trace looks like this:

(http://www.diyhifisupply.com/images/tube_supplies/emap0000.gif)
 


3. This method of testing reveals many anomalies not shown by ordinary testers. Those testers may match two tubes with the same matching Gm based on single point testing but a Sofia trace curve reveals major differences at other operating points proving that the tubes are not really a good match overall. Also, a tube may test with a 'good' Gm but a curve trace of that tube may produce an output that is 'S' shaped, meaning that at higher B+ voltages the tube isn't passing proportionately higher levels of plate current. It can be expected that in operation that tube will perform in a distorted non-linear fashion. Sometimes even new tubes show this condition.

(http://www.diyhifisupply.com/images/tube_supplies/tube2.gif)
 

For example the second curve trace shows two tubes which match at a nominal B+ and bias voltage around 50ma. The curve trace shows some non-linearities at other voltages not revealed by single-point matching.


4. The Sofia's software program produces the most accurate matching over a wide range of operating points. When a new batch of tubes arrives, I run a curve trace on all the tubes. The software program then matches the best pairs (or quads) calculating the match based on tube performance over the full range of operating conditions. No two tubes are ever perfect but any two tubes that match with 200 points of variance on the Sofia scale are very closely matched. I would not sell tubes with greater than 400 points of variance as a matched set even though single point testing may show a closely matched Gm.


5. All curve taces are stored on computer so that a matching tube can be supplied if one of a set is DOA or otherwise defective."
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 17, 2004 at 10:40 AM
CURVE TRACING TONO 300B TUBES BY DIYHIFISUPPLY:

"Many questions about tube testing and matching have been asked. I use a Sofia tube tester. This machine offers a number of advantages over traditional tube testers.

1. It is fully programmable which means any filament voltage, B+ and bias voltage can be dialed in by the accompanying software.


2. Rather than just a good/?/bad reading or a single point Gm it outputs a multiple operating point curve trace which reveals problems that may be missed by other tube testers. For example the first of an 11 point curve trace for a 300B tube could start with an applied bias of -20V and a B+ of 75V. The B+ is continuously increased up to 225V producing a curve showing the current flow at any voltage between 75 and 225V. This is repeated at 11 different bias V from -20 to -150V with each incremental increase in bias voltage accompanied by an incremental increase in B+ until the last trace which would be operating at -100V and 350 to 450V B+. A curve trace looks like this:

(http://www.diyhifisupply.com/images/tube_supplies/emap0000.gif)
 


3. This method of testing reveals many anomalies not shown by ordinary testers. Those testers may match two tubes with the same matching Gm based on single point testing but a Sofia trace curve reveals major differences at other operating points proving that the tubes are not really a good match overall. Also, a tube may test with a 'good' Gm but a curve trace of that tube may produce an output that is 'S' shaped, meaning that at higher B+ voltages the tube isn't passing proportionately higher levels of plate current. It can be expected that in operation that tube will perform in a distorted non-linear fashion. Sometimes even new tubes show this condition.

(http://www.diyhifisupply.com/images/tube_supplies/tube2.gif)
 

For example the second curve trace shows two tubes which match at a nominal B+ and bias voltage around 50ma. The curve trace shows some non-linearities at other voltages not revealed by single-point matching.


4. The Sofia's software program produces the most accurate matching over a wide range of operating points. When a new batch of tubes arrives, I run a curve trace on all the tubes. The software program then matches the best pairs (or quads) calculating the match based on tube performance over the full range of operating conditions. No two tubes are ever perfect but any two tubes that match with 200 points of variance on the Sofia scale are very closely matched. I would not sell tubes with greater than 400 points of variance as a matched set even though single point testing may show a closely matched Gm.


5. All curve taces are stored on computer so that a matching tube can be supplied if one of a set is DOA or otherwise defective."


very informative, sir...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Feb 17, 2004 at 12:40 PM
vintage_dog,

bro, sent you pm. thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 17, 2004 at 04:44 PM
someone asked: "So what's coming after the WS Tono 300B amp?"

watch out for the....

[size=18]Wiredstate Tono ST70 amp![/size]

a 35 watts per channel tube amp with premium parts that is meant to rock the market and beat the hell out of anything you've heard anywhere at the same price point...
NO local amp can claim same parts quality as WS!

thinking of buying a tube PP amp?  think again what you'll be missing if you get something else....  ;D
save your money for the ultimate...don't waste them on amps with inferior parts which you will end up selling a month later....

delivery:  late march or april...

sound:  to be tuned to compete with the classic Dynaco ST70 and the Eico HF87!

price?  that's the biggest surprise!  ;)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: edboy7 on Feb 17, 2004 at 05:30 PM
whew!!! :) ...i hope would have the dough by that time ???....MABUHAY ANG WIREDSTATE :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 17, 2004 at 05:38 PM
someone asked: "So what's coming after the WS Tono 300B amp?"

watch out for the....

Wiredstate Tono ST70 amp....

a 35 watts per channel tube amp with premium parts that is meant to rock the market and beat the hell out of anything you've heard anywhere at the same price point...
NO local amp can claim same parts quality as WS!

thinking of buying a tube PP amp?  think again what you'll be missing if you get something else....  ;D
save your money for the ultimate...don't waste them on amps with inferior parts which you will end up selling a month later....

delivery:  late march or april...

sound:  to be tuned to compete with the classic Dynaco ST70 and the Eico HF87!

price?  that's the biggest surprise!  ;)




hi sir!

when's the prototype available??? abot kaya sa listening session??? thanks! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 17, 2004 at 05:41 PM
hi sir!

when's the prototype available??? abot kaya sa listening session??? thanks! 8)



prototype in march...session to be done at home....
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 17, 2004 at 05:44 PM
prototype in march...session to be done at home....


ok sir...thanks so much!...by the way, sent you a PM...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: BuLLeT on Feb 17, 2004 at 05:57 PM
someone asked: "So what's coming after the WS Tono 300B amp?"

watch out for the....

Wiredstate Tono ST70 amp!

a 35 watts per channel tube amp with premium parts that is meant to rock the market and beat the hell out of anything you've heard anywhere at the same price point...
NO local amp can claim same parts quality as WS!

thinking of buying a tube PP amp?  think again what you'll be missing if you get something else....  ;D
save your money for the ultimate...don't waste them on amps with inferior parts which you will end up selling a month later....

delivery:  late march or april...

sound:  to be tuned to compete with the classic Dynaco ST70 and the Eico HF87!

price?  that's the biggest surprise!  ;)




I thinks this is sign enough for me to get a tube amp this year ahihi ;D (Aside from the Tono pre-amp that' ill be ordering).

Rejoice.. Rejoice......

Good Luck to the WS Team!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Feb 17, 2004 at 09:33 PM
just want to know-who has the WS300B prototype na? would like to have an audition at home over this weekend sana ???
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 18, 2004 at 01:45 AM
migs martinez has them..

he texted me this afternoon that he was enjoying tremendously the all-WS set-up in his home:  WS tono preamp, WS 300b amp, brines-fostex 1.1 speakers!

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Mika on Feb 18, 2004 at 01:05 PM
someone asked: "So what's coming after the WS Tono 300B amp?"

watch out for the....

[size=18]Wiredstate Tono ST70 amp![/size]

a 35 watts per channel tube amp with premium parts that is meant to rock the market and beat the hell out of anything you've heard anywhere at the same price point...
NO local amp can claim same parts quality as WS!

delivery:  late march or april...

sound:  to be tuned to compete with the classic Dynaco ST70 and the Eico HF87!

price?  that's the biggest surprise!  ;)




sir,

 :o :o :o

what are your plans, series 1 or 2?

galeng nyo talaga...

 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 18, 2004 at 02:05 PM
sir,

 :o :o :o

what are your plans, series 1 or 2?

galeng nyo talaga...

 8)

 :-[

i think i may have caused a bit of confusion.  we are not doing a dynaco clone.  this will still be a unique WS design expected to match if not surpass the dynaco st70.  btw, st70 stands for stereo 70 (35w+35w)...

tube complement is also different...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 19, 2004 at 12:29 AM
just want to know-who has the WS300B prototype na? would like to have an audition at home over this weekend sana ???

sent you PM
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 19, 2004 at 09:28 AM
Vintage dog,

Ok yan ST70 inspired design.. kailan yun release sir and i hope affordable?? ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Feb 19, 2004 at 10:44 AM
ahem, sir hans, with all due respect, it has nothing in common with the Dynaco ST-70 as far as circuit is concerned.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 19, 2004 at 10:48 AM
Arnoldc,

Ah ok  ;D ;D btw any news sa WS integrated prototype? yan ba yun kasama sa listening session at Supermans house??
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Feb 19, 2004 at 11:33 AM
cool, more choices for everyone  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Feb 19, 2004 at 02:30 PM
i'd be upfront with the integrated amp.

so far, the sound is not at par with my standards. we do not want to create an amplifier with a "me too" sound. that is what we are working on. we don't want you to hear it and say "ay parang * lang ang tunog."

i hope you will understand.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 19, 2004 at 05:52 PM
With regret, the WS DIY Team has decided last night NOT to release the Penthode SE (single-ended) Integrated Amp as scheduled this month.

Reason:  It did not meet our standards for a tube amp worthy of the name "Tono".   The DIY Team is committed to only release products that meet the highest standard of technical and sonic quality.  Your guarantee that what you get is only the best available in the market.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 19, 2004 at 06:27 PM
With regret, the WS DIY Team has decided last night NOT to release the Penthode SE (single-ended) Integrated Amp as scheduled this month.

Reason:  It did not meet our standards for a tube amp worthy of the name "Tono".   The DIY Team is committed to only release products that meet the highest standard of technical and sonic quality.  Your guarantee that what you get is only the best available in the market.


...at least we're guaranteed to get the BEST...so, are we still pushing thru with the listening session??? sir, will the 300B be ready by the 28th??? or is it still the prototype???

thanks and god bless! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 19, 2004 at 07:29 PM
...at least we're guaranteed to get the BEST...so, are we still pushing thru with the listening session??? sir, will the 300B be ready by the 28th??? or is it still the prototype???

thanks and god bless! 8)

yes, of course.

the 300b will be out by then.  i can also bring the prototype SE amp,  just for comparison.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 19, 2004 at 07:30 PM
yes, of course.

the 300b will be out by then.  i can also bring the prototype SE amp,  just for comparison.




thanks so much, sir!...will look forward to it... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 19, 2004 at 07:34 PM
yes, of course.

the 300b will be out by then.  i can also bring the prototype SE amp,  just for comparison.

kung kailangan nyo ng tulong magbuhat Sir, pwede ko daanan ahead of time (like monday)  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 19, 2004 at 07:41 PM
kung kailangan nyo ng tulong magbuhat Sir, pwede ko daanan ahead of time (like monday)  ;D

aba..uunahan pa ko! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 20, 2004 at 03:38 PM


WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101

Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:

- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths:  Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session


Place: Mickey's office.  QC
Date:  to be announced.  this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: geko on Feb 20, 2004 at 03:43 PM


WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101

Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:

- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths:  Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session


Place: Mickey's office.  QC
Date:  to be announced.  this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm


uyyy...  okay 'to, ah...  sir, pls include me in the list of attendees.  

thanks.    :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 20, 2004 at 03:46 PM


WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101

Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:

- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths:  Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session


Place: Mickey's office.  QC
Date:  to be announced.  this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm



i'm in...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: v0elker on Feb 20, 2004 at 03:50 PM
sir vd, please count me in as well. thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Feb 20, 2004 at 03:53 PM
Count me in....

Will there be tentative date so that i can attend to this since i'm on provincial assignment....

Thanks.... :D :D :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: audi0slave on Feb 20, 2004 at 04:07 PM
may registration fees ba, sir V_D? if yes, how much? ::) sino ba mga speakers o lecturers natin, sir?  ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 20, 2004 at 04:36 PM
sama ako dyan  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Feb 20, 2004 at 05:14 PM
me too... registration details please sir VD.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects - LISTENING SESSION...
Post by: Superman on Feb 20, 2004 at 06:07 PM
hi guys!

this is the tentative list of "participants" for the february 28 listening session at my place...session starts at 7:00pm...up to sawa...

1. sir vintage_dog
2. iceman90a
3. geko
4. julsp168
5. yukon
6. symon
7. vrion
8. botching (tentative)
9. jvm
10. isak0411
11. qguy
12. blade
13. lance (tentative)
14. lomi (tentative)

sir toobs might also join us according to symon...calling edboy7, j_albert22, hans adriane, akyatbundok, james16, nels76, s2kov...aren't you going to join us???

thanks and god bless! see you all! 8)


PS: please bring addiitional food or drinks na lang for the group...PM me kung ano balak niyo dalhin para wala duplication...thanks again! 8)


superman 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Feb 20, 2004 at 06:11 PM


WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101

Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:

- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths:  Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session


Place: Mickey's office.  QC
Date:  to be announced.  this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm


sama ako dyan. thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Feb 20, 2004 at 07:27 PM


WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101

Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:

- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths:  Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session


Place: Mickey's office.  QC
Date:  to be announced.  this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm




count me in too. thanks :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 20, 2004 at 07:29 PM
this session is FREE to everyone who wants to attend!

sessions to be conducted by Wiredstate DIY members.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Feb 20, 2004 at 07:30 PM
guys,

the WS300B prototype is with me for the weekend. you may pm me or text me at 0917-8080242 if you want to be next in line. thanks ;)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 20, 2004 at 07:39 PM
guys,

the WS300B prototype is with me for the weekend. you may pm me or text me at 0917-8080242 if you want to be next in line. thanks ;)

please note the final production 300b will use the latest titanium coated mesh plate tubes and improved parts.  chassis will also be better/different...chrome plus covers and brass/gold faceplates!

narayan, can we please get the amp after you're done.  we need to do some work on it.  thanks.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 20, 2004 at 07:48 PM
here's from an earlier post by Prof JM at Wiredstate:

Series I
Part 1 - Fundamentals and Basics
1. Sinusoids, Phases, Freq. & Time Domain
2. Distortion & Harmonics
3. Resistance
3. Capacitance
4. Inductance


Part 2 - Tubes
1. Diodes & It's Operation
2. Triodes & It's operation
3. Triode Amplifier Design (Graphical & Mathematical Methods)
4. Tweaks, Hints & Kinks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Feb 20, 2004 at 07:56 PM
Too bad my work sched does not permit me to join the session I would have learned a lot from it  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Blade on Feb 20, 2004 at 08:01 PM


WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101

sama po ako dyan...
sama din ako kina superman kapag isinabay ako ni bro isak...
thanks...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 20, 2004 at 11:09 PM
TUBES 101

Interested:

1. geko
2. superman
3. voelker
4. icemen90a
5. s2kov
6. homer
7. audioslave
8. yukon
9. julsP168
10. NARAYAN
11. blade
12. bruno
13. ARE
14. KD

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects - LISTENING SESSION...
Post by: Superman on Feb 21, 2004 at 12:54 PM
hi guys!

this is the tentative list of "participants" for the february 28 listening session at my place...session starts at 7:00pm...up to sawa...

1. sir vintage_dog
2. iceman90a
3. geko
4. julsp168
5. yukon
6. symon
7. vrion
8. botching (tentative)
9. jvm
10. isak0411
11. qguy
12. blade
13. lance (tentative)
14. lomi (tentative)

sir toobs might also join us according to symon...calling edboy7, j_albert22, hans adriane, akyatbundok, james16, nels76, s2kov...aren't you going to join us???

thanks and god bless! see you all! 8)


PS: please bring addiitional food or drinks na lang for the group...PM me kung ano balak niyo dalhin para wala duplication...thanks again! 8)


superman 8)


hi everyone! 8)

as per my conversation with sir V_D this morning, he has volunteered his place to be the NEW VENUE for the listening session on the 28th instead of my place...since medyo marami tayo baka di magkasya (plus some of the other WS DIYers might also join)...please finalize your confirmation...potluck please...same time...CHANGE VENUE lang just to accomodate the millions and millions of WS fans...thanks and god bless! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: isak0411 on Feb 22, 2004 at 07:15 AM
TUBES 101

Interested:

1. geko
2. superman
3. voelker
4. icemen90a
5. s2kov
6. homer
7. audioslave
8. yukon
9. julsP168
10. NARAYAN
11. blade
12. bruno
13. ARE
14. KD
15. isak0411

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 22, 2004 at 02:59 PM
hi guys!

anybody else who would like to join the listening session on the 28th at vintage_dog's abode??? please let us know so we could arrange for a meeting place and time...we can all meet at startbucks madrigal avenue branch...beside HSBC and franck provost...thanks and god bless! 8)

superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Feb 22, 2004 at 04:53 PM
hi guys!

anybody else who would like to join the listening session on the 28th at vintage_dog's abode??? please let us know so we could arrange for a meeting place and time...we can all meet at startbucks madrigal avenue branch...beside HSBC and franck provost...thanks and god bless! 8)

superman 8)



your treat at starbucks? ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 22, 2004 at 05:41 PM
your treat at starbucks? ;D


charge to boy scout yukon...o kay iceman90a kaya??? hehehehe! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Feb 22, 2004 at 08:49 PM
TUBES 101

Interested:

1. geko
2. superman
3. voelker
4. icemen90a
5. s2kov
6. homer
7. audioslave
8. yukon
9. julsP168
10. NARAYAN
11. blade
12. bruno
13. ARE
14. KD
15. Muttley

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects - LISTENING SESSION...
Post by: Muttley on Feb 22, 2004 at 08:52 PM
hi guys!

this is the tentative list of "participants" for the february 28 listening session at my place...session starts at 7:00pm...up to sawa...

1. sir vintage_dog
2. iceman90a
3. geko
4. julsp168
5. yukon
6. symon
7. vrion
8. botching (tentative)
9. jvm
10. isak0411
11. qguy
12. blade
13. lance (tentative)
14. lomi (tentative)
15. Muttley (tentative)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 22, 2004 at 09:18 PM
ok muttley...you're in...see you...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Vrion on Feb 23, 2004 at 09:00 AM


WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101

Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:

- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths:  Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session


Place: Mickey's office.  QC
Date:  to be announced.  this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm




Boss V_D

Very much interested, I wish to join.  Kaya lang depende sa date. Where's Mickey's Office?  
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Vrion on Feb 23, 2004 at 09:05 AM
hi guys!

anybody else who would like to join the listening session on the 28th at vintage_dog's abode??? please let us know so we could arrange for a meeting place and time...we can all meet at startbucks madrigal avenue branch...beside HSBC and franck provost...thanks and god bless! 8)

superman 8)




Hi bro

I'm joining, in case di ako maka login next few days, please text me the final meeting place and time.

Salamat  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 23, 2004 at 12:00 PM
Hi bro

I'm joining, in case di ako maka login next few days, please text me the final meeting place and time.

Salamat  :)

OK bro...no problem...i have your number naman...thanks! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects - LISTENING SESSION...
Post by: edboy7 on Feb 23, 2004 at 05:35 PM
hi guys!

this is the tentative list of "participants" for the february 28 listening session at my place...session starts at 7:00pm...up to sawa...

1. sir vintage_dog
2. iceman90a
3. geko
4. julsp168
5. yukon
6. symon
7. vrion
8. botching (tentative)
9. jvm
10. isak0411
11. qguy
12. blade
13. lance (tentative)
14. lomi (tentative)
15.edboy7(tentative)
16. s2kov(tentative)


sir toobs might also join us according to symon...calling edboy7, j_albert22, hans adriane, akyatbundok, james16, nels76, s2kov...aren't you going to join us???

thanks and god bless! see you all! 8)


PS: please bring addiitional food or drinks na lang for the group...PM me kung ano balak niyo dalhin para wala duplication...thanks again! 8)


superman 8)

 :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on Feb 23, 2004 at 05:48 PM
lapit na, post kayo ng reviews ha... sayang me lakad ako sa evening, sa daytime ko bulabugin ang neighbors.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: edboy7 on Feb 23, 2004 at 05:53 PM
lapit na, post kayo ng reviews ha... sayang me lakad ako sa evening, sa daytime ko bulabugin ang neighbors.

hhehehehe boss akyat, di ka kaya  mapetisyon nyan? :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rossifumi46 on Feb 23, 2004 at 07:11 PM
sali ako jan! if my sked permits!:)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 24, 2004 at 07:32 AM
session is open 7pm down.  folks are welcome to hang-out until the wee hours of the morning;  seriously, 3am is fine  :)

which now gets me to the next question:  apart from listening to the new Tono 300b SET amp, what other gear would you like to listen to?

- analog?
- voigts?
- vintage amps?
- push pull amps?
- sonus and spendors?
- classic klipsch?
- other SETs?
- vintage altec speakers?
- fostex mini-voigts?
- dynacos and eicos?

make sure you bring your favorite CDs/LPs too.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Vrion on Feb 24, 2004 at 08:46 AM
session is open 7pm down.  folks are welcome to hang-out until the wee hours of the morning;  seriously, 3am is fine  :)

which now gets me to the next question:  apart from listening to the new Tono 300b SET amp, what other gear would you like to listen to?

- analog?
- voigts?
- vintage amps?
- push pull amps?
- sonus and spendors?
- classic klipsch?
- other SETs?
- vintage altec speakers?
- fostex mini-voigts?
- dynacos and eicos?

make sure you bring your favorite CDs/LPs too.



I'd like to A B sana yung Scott (any model) with the 300B (or maybe another SET).  I need to justify an upgrade with myself  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 24, 2004 at 08:51 AM
session is open 7pm down.  folks are welcome to hang-out until the wee hours of the morning;  seriously, 3am is fine  :)

which now gets me to the next question:  apart from listening to the new Tono 300b SET amp, what other gear would you like to listen to?

- analog?
- voigts?
- sonus and spendors?
- classic klipsch?
- other SETs?
- vintage altec speakers?


make sure you bring your favorite CDs/LPs too.


hi sir V_D!

i'd be interested in the following...will make sure to bring not some but majority of my reference CDs...thanks and see you saturday! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: v0elker on Feb 24, 2004 at 05:42 PM
session is open 7pm down.  folks are welcome to hang-out until the wee hours of the morning;  seriously, 3am is fine  :)

which now gets me to the next question:  apart from listening to the new Tono 300b SET amp, what other gear would you like to listen to?

- analog?
- voigts?
- vintage amps?
- push pull amps?
- sonus and spendors?
- other SETs?
- fostex mini-voigts?
- dynacos and eicos?

make sure you bring your favorite CDs/LPs too.


im interested in the above.

sir, eto na rin ba yung tubes 101 or will that be a separate session? thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: edboy7 on Feb 24, 2004 at 07:23 PM
session is open 7pm down.  folks are welcome to hang-out until the wee hours of the morning;  seriously, 3am is fine  :)

which now gets me to the next question:  apart from listening to the new Tono 300b SET amp, what other gear would you like to listen to?

- analog?
- voigts?
- vintage amps?
- push pull amps?
- sonus and spendors?
- classic klipsch?
- other SETs?
- vintage altec speakers?
- fostex mini-voigts?
- dynacos and eicos?

make sure you bring your favorite CDs/LPs too.


mukang pamorningan tlaga to ha ;D..TUBES AND SPEAKERS GALORE!!  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Feb 26, 2004 at 01:28 AM
sayang sayang.... >:(

laging natataon ang mga session sa panahon na me trabaho sayang sayang...  

sana sir maulit gandang pagkakataon to sa mga baguhang nahihilig sa tubo.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects - LISTENING SESSION...
Post by: geko on Feb 26, 2004 at 09:24 AM
hi!  mukhang hindi ako makaka-attend ng listening session on Saturday...    

kasi, our management called for a brainstorming session this Friday & Saturday.  mukhang late na kami matatapos ng Saturday.  

inis nga, eh, dahil, tagal kong hinintay 'to...  aaarrrgghhh!

fyi lang.  :'(  

 

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects - LISTENING SESSION...
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 26, 2004 at 09:45 AM
hi!  mukhang hindi ako makaka-attend ng listening session on Saturday...    

kasi, our management called for a brainstorming session this Friday & Saturday.  mukhang late na kami matatapos ng Saturday.  

inis nga, eh, dahil, tagal kong hinintay 'to...  aaarrrgghhh!

fyi lang.  :'(  


you can always drop-by kahit na late....remember, session extends through sunday 3am!  ;)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects - LISTENING SESSION...
Post by: Superman on Feb 26, 2004 at 10:42 AM
hi!  mukhang hindi ako makaka-attend ng listening session on Saturday...    

kasi, our management called for a brainstorming session this Friday & Saturday.  mukhang late na kami matatapos ng Saturday.  

inis nga, eh, dahil, tagal kong hinintay 'to...  aaarrrgghhh!

fyi lang.  :'(  

 



BRO, i suggest you take care of midnight snacks and breakfast, hahahaha! 8)...thanks bro!


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 26, 2004 at 11:48 AM
This Saturday, we will also play around with the UniAmp.  This is a one-of-a-kind experimental push-pull amp by a known US audio engineer/designer.  The amp incorporates a unique circuit that allows:

- several types of any octal rectifier tube to be used:  5AR4, 5U4, 5Y3, 5VG4, 5AS4, etc.

- several types of power tubes:  EL34, KT66, KT88, 6L6, 6550, etc.

to be used in ANY combination WITHOUT making any adjustments to bias, etc.

Amazing?  that's why it is a Uni(versal)Amp.  I got this unit directly from the designer 5 years ago.  This has huge NOS transformers/chokes (Altec Peerless, Thordarson and Chicago)and uses a unique U.K. Sowter transformers for phase splitters.


Here's one channel of the amp (I have 2 of course for stereo.  25watts/channel.)  :)

This is the only amp (with this config/circuit) in existence in the world!

(http://www.pmillett.addr.com/images/UNIAMP.JPG)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects - LISTENING SESSION...
Post by: geko on Feb 26, 2004 at 04:15 PM
you can always drop-by kahit na late....remember, session extends through sunday 3am!  ;)

might do just that.  thanks.  :D  
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 26, 2004 at 05:28 PM
IMPORTANT:

can the orig Magic 12 guys pls reconfirm their order for the 300b amp.  the special offer (price) only applies to the Magic 12; a few others would like to take your reservation if you back-out.  send me a PM asap.  if we don't hear from you, we will release your unit to others.

production in progress. first unit (all black with gold faceplate) will be out this saturday!  all units will be chrome-plated.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 26, 2004 at 05:44 PM
IMPORTANT:

can the orig Magic 12 guys pls reconfirm their order for the 300b amp.  the special offer (price) only applies to the Magic 12; a few others would like to take your reservation if you back-out.  send me a PM asap.  if we don't hear from you, we will release your unit to others.

production in progress. first unit (all black with gold faceplate) will be out this saturday!  all units will be chrome-plated.


sir,

sent you a text message already...thanks!

btw...that uniamp intrigues me...parinig ha! 8)

thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Feb 26, 2004 at 05:59 PM
IMPORTANT:

can the orig Magic 12 guys pls reconfirm their order for the 300b amp.  the special offer (price) only applies to the Magic 12; a few others would like to take your reservation if you back-out.  send me a PM asap.  if we don't hear from you, we will release your unit to others.

production in progress. first unit (all black with gold faceplate) will be out this saturday!  all units will be chrome-plated.


sent you pm
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 27, 2004 at 12:40 PM
Tono 300B amp #1 is now up and singing!   ;D

this has an all-black chassis with gold-plated faceplate.

all other units will be chrome-plated..

see you all tomorrow evening...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: MiniCooper on Feb 27, 2004 at 01:07 PM
Sir V_D,  hope you can take photos of your listening session.  para-mainggit naman kami.  ;D

do you have plans to send some Tono 300B's in the US?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 27, 2004 at 01:35 PM
Tono 300B amp #1 is now up and singing!   ;D

this has an all-black chassis with gold-plated faceplate.

all other units will be chrome-plated..

see you all tomorrow evening...

Yahoo! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: v0elker on Feb 27, 2004 at 03:29 PM
sir vd, supes,

audio and myself will be there... can we ask for directions? bihira kami magawi dyan sa south kaya unfamiliar territory... thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 27, 2004 at 05:10 PM
guys,

here's my proposal...let's all meet at starbuck's madrigal avenue between 6:30pm to 7:00pm...then let's all go together to V_D's place by 7:00PM...ok lang ba??? please confirm...thanks! 8)

Superman 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 27, 2004 at 06:09 PM
all those needing directions will please text me at 0917-621-5056...

(http://sogono.com/gallery/albums/album40/016_550batulao.jpg)

ayala alabang
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: v0elker on Feb 27, 2004 at 08:57 PM
sir vd, alam pala ni Audi place nyo, sya na po bahala sa directions.

supes, text ka namin if we can make it to the 630-700 meeting time.

thanks!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 28, 2004 at 01:45 AM
the DIY-hard kids at Wiredstate are proud to present:

the 300B amp worthy of the name "Tono"...

          "Tono 300B"

Features:

- pure single-ended 8wpc amp using the new Valve Art titanium-coated mesh plates with gold-plated bases

- NOS (new-old-stock) 6SL7 driver tubes and NOS 5U4 rectifier tube

- AURICAP coupling caps and BLACK GATE bias caps

- heavy-duty speaker binding posts for 4 and 8 ohms

- extra heavy-duty chassis, transformer covers and with gold-plated faceplate

- heavy duty hand-wound transformers

- point-to-point wiring

- exclusive WS design, fully tweaked and tested

- free lifetime guarantee on repairs

- 30-day MONEYBACK GUARANTEE

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 28, 2004 at 06:58 AM
...can't wait to listen to this... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Feb 29, 2004 at 10:32 AM
bro. iceman90a...can you post some pics from the session last night???

sir V_D...as usual, many thanks for being a gracious host...sarap talaga nung chicken sandwich...i'm sure nag-enjoy si yukon...busog nga siya kagabi eh, hehehehe!

thanks to the "first-timers" who joined...and of course to the wiredstate gurus, sir V_D, sir toobs, sir choobs, darth hansen, bogart (with nico), sir tongki...everyone...thanks, thanks, thanks!

botching, ano, chrome pa ba or black???

thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Feb 29, 2004 at 12:13 PM
bro. iceman90a...can you post some pics from the session last night???

sir V_D...as usual, many thanks for being a gracious host...sarap talaga nung chicken sandwich...i'm sure nag-enjoy si yukon...busog nga siya kagabi eh, hehehehe!

thanks to the "first-timers" who joined...and of course to the wiredstate gurus, sir V_D, sir toobs, sir choobs, darth hansen, bogart (with nico), sir tongki...everyone...thanks, thanks, thanks!

botching, ano, chrome pa ba or black???

thanks! 8)


wala akong pakialam sa bird flu bird flu na yan!, basta ang sarap ng chicken kagabi... not to mention the brownies and the chicken spread... hhmmmm, ang sarap mag-audition. heheh...

Superman is in lab... iba ang arrive nya kagabi, gusto kong sabitan ng kryptonite para tigilan ako. hikhikhik

Sir VD, thanks for hosting last night's listening session.  What can I say... the Tono 300B will surely be another wiredstate milestone... IMHO, the kickass pushpull experience is there, I think it was because the amp was driving the speakers with ease.  The lambing of the TB2A3 was also there.  Aesthetically, it's as good as any other branded tube amp (with its gold face plate).

I had the oppotunity of listening to both the Ike's Voight (Ike himself was there) and the mini-Voights side-by-side last night - - driven by the T300B.  These single driver speakers really are awesome... "a sound to behold".  By the way, there were also other speakers we used to listen to the T300B; the MA S1 (from Iceman), the Stirling, and the Sonus.  Price-wise, super ganda ng 300B.

Also auditioned last night was the modified TB2A3 of Joey.  Wala akong masabi... 'ang ganda ng tunog'... magkano kaya ang modifications expense ni Joey dun... heheh

I hope di natin kalimutan yong planong ipa-gold face plate din ang tono preamp... para mas masaya.  ;D

Am now listening to Iceman's Asian Roots... now my ampons-left-and-right are really singing, loud and clear, ...and deep. whooooaa!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 29, 2004 at 12:24 PM
Am now listening to Iceman's Asian Roots... now my ampons-left-and-right really are singing, loud and clear, ...and deep. whooooaa!!!

kopya ko rin lang yan tsaka nag iisang kopya ko yan ha... baka di bumalik...... voigt na voigt ba dating? baka mapalayas ka nyan  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Feb 29, 2004 at 01:37 PM
kopya ko rin lang yan tsaka nag iisang kopya ko yan ha... baka di bumalik...... voigt na voigt ba dating? baka mapalayas ka nyan  ;D

ssshhhh, nakikiramdam nga ako bawat hampas ng drums at peak ng flute at baka maya-maya eh may kumatok na.  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Feb 29, 2004 at 07:59 PM
thank you guys for the hospitality esp to sir francis, salamat po sa tsibug ;)

aestheticaly, ganda ng T300b, retrong retro ang dating
sa tunog, d ko ma discribe eh   :o  ;D

sir clark, salamat din po, ayos ang landing mo sa starbucks. everybody there surely recognized you  ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Feb 29, 2004 at 10:45 PM
after consulting with majority of you interested in the 300b amp, we have decided to release the Tono 300B exclusively with classic black chassis and transformer cover and with gold-plated faceplate.   8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Vrion on Mar 01, 2004 at 09:41 AM

thanks to the "first-timers" who joined...
thanks! 8)


Isa ako dito... and Im grateful.. One event very much worth of posting in my history calendar.  Sana ma invite ulit sa susunod :D

Supes, Boss V_D

Thanks for the invite and accomodation.

The tono 300B will be one of the reasons the mas maraming ma ho hook sa bisyo na to  :).  Sayang wala ako sa list, pero who knows, baka nga me mag back out.. pasabi lang po agad..  ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 01, 2004 at 02:31 PM
after consulting with majority of you interested in the 300b amp, we have decided to release the Tono 300B exclusively with classic black chassis and transformer cover and with gold-plated faceplate.   8)

yahoo! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Mar 01, 2004 at 04:13 PM
mga sirs,

wala parin ang review ninyo sa mga equipment na na-audition last EB ke Sir VD's Place. n saka ano ano iyon.

Thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 01, 2004 at 06:25 PM
mga sirs,

wala parin ang review ninyo sa mga equipment na na-audition last EB ke Sir VD's Place. n saka ano ano iyon.

Thanks

Living room set-up
Amps:

1. WS 300b - ang pogi! elegante dating with the black chassis, cover and gold face plate

2. Joe3rp's turbo charged - WS TB2a3 (may NOS yata yun - parang fast n the furious nung nakakabit sa MV  ;D )

Speakers:

1. Ike's Voigts
2. WS Mini-voigts with fostex drivers
3. Tannoy Stirling
4. Monitor Audio S1
5. SF Concerto

2nd floor

amp: mono block push-pull amps (di ko nakita brand)

speakers:
1. SF Minima Amator
2. Rogers ls 3/5a
3. Brines Fostex 1.1
4. MA S1 (siningit ulit)

review: wala ako masabi, kahit picture nga 4 lang pala nakuha ko... sarap makinig eh  :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Mar 01, 2004 at 07:30 PM
Living room set-up
Amps:

1. WS 300b - ang pogi! elegante dating with the black chassis, cover and gold face plate

2. Joe3rp's turbo charged - WS TB2a3 (may NOS yata yun - parang fast n the furious nung nakakabit sa MV  ;D )

Speakers:

1. Ike's Voigts
2. WS Mini-voigts with fostex drivers
3. Tannoy Stirling
4. Monitor Audio S1
5. SF Concerto

Sir ICE, How's the tono paired with the SF Concerto? D ko na inabot eh. Am planning to use SF Concertino  
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 01, 2004 at 09:20 PM
Sir ICE, How's the tono paired with the SF Concerto? D ko na inabot eh. Am planning to use SF Concertino  

I am not sure how SF Concertinos would fare - but the Concerto's got a little boomy when played loud. this probably meant that the amp wasn't driving the woofers fast enough to snap them back to position...

maybe Sir VD can explain further...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Mar 01, 2004 at 10:11 PM
I am not sure how SF Concertinos would fare - but the Concerto's got a little boomy when played loud. this probably meant that the amp wasn't driving the woofers fast enough to snap them back to position...

maybe Sir VD can explain further...

Paging sir VD
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Mar 01, 2004 at 10:44 PM
thanks iceman
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 01, 2004 at 11:31 PM
Sir ICE, How's the tono paired with the SF Concerto? D ko na inabot eh. Am planning to use SF Concertino  

sensitivity of concerto is about 87db...they just love more powerful amps - ss or tubed.  8wpc is just not enough.  not sure though how the amp would match with the concertino...best to test them.  you're free to drop by anytime to try your tinos with the tono 300b...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Mar 01, 2004 at 11:34 PM
thank you sir vd
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: symon on Mar 02, 2004 at 10:26 AM
Hey guys!

Got to do my first tube rolling stint using my 'tono' preamp. Exchanged the NOS JAN Philips with RCA (cleartop) 12AU7 tubes (c/o sir 'toobs'). Noticed that highs are brighter (a little more detailed) than the philips and soundstage appeared to be more spacious, the depth of the intruments' location became a little more distinct (IMHO).  :)

symon
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 03, 2004 at 10:13 AM
hi guys!

will post the pics of the listening session within the day...sorry for the delay, i've been sick (and love sick) the past 2 days)...sigh! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 03, 2004 at 10:17 AM


WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101

Quote

March 13, 2004
10:00am to 6pm

Unit 2402 Antel 2000
121 Valero Street,
Makati City

simple snacks and lunch courtesy of Wiredstate
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: edboy7 on Mar 03, 2004 at 12:50 PM
i had really a great time last saturday GOOD MUSIC(Thanks supes! :))..GOOD COMPANY(wiredstate and pnoydvd pips)GOOD FOOD TOO! ...naka isa lang ako sa brownies ha! :-\...ang pogi ng 300b! :D good decision sir V_D to retain gold faceplate and black chassis combination...personally.....300b+tono preamp and mini voights is a perfect match ;D....thanks to sir tubes, he gave us mini lesson on tubes....kala ko kikay kit yung dala nya  ;D e puro tubo pala laman nun heheheheheehe...daming tanong ng mga st boys ;D...bro iceman90a thanks for the ride pre ;D......thank you guys and Sir V_d....hayyyy...mini voights ::)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: symon on Mar 03, 2004 at 02:09 PM
oh, by the way, about last saturday's listening session, galing ng setups, sarap ng food, dami pang natutunan. i got a 1 on 1 lesson about tubes from sir ike himself! wow! sana maulit! Di pala ako naka tikim ng brownies! :(
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Mar 03, 2004 at 04:16 PM
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgCiAgMXnqR*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS19GSBU1RXh6mqIe*tdZy6zLMzQ*giPPHQVpDVZjaP3*J9jJeuz7xjqNQ6nD56x3!rWzrnO*IVGiksKGJZYeT8r*rLlAn1dsHi/Resize%20of%20DSC01487.JPG?dc=4675462125791708086)

ito pala iyong 300b ganda pala
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 03, 2004 at 04:24 PM
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgCiAgMXnqR*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS19GSBU1RXh6mqIe*tdZy6zLMzQ*giPPHQVpDVZjaP3*J9jJeuz7xjqNQ6nD56x3!rWzrnO*IVGiksKGJZYeT8r*rLlAn1dsHi/Resize%20of%20DSC01487.JPG?dc=4675462125791708086)

ito pala iyong 300b ganda pala

how'd you do that?  ???
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 03, 2004 at 04:53 PM
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgDYAv0WPaN*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1m4oBmYxuV7AlLi1dFPxVAblwmgbVV8iqN!MSX!895LHsRyhkvwwr!oSK3uiyf4IssthoBkFTeeEx1EdA25bBh!wu50p4CcZo/Resize%20of%20DSC01490.JPG?dc=4675462125845395178)

sino kaya yung naka-superman shirt???...guys, guess the names behind these faces??? 8)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgALAwUXFKV*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1n1A!OuhyPm3tPh9aBDTHe5nitKijlyN9EbZdYt5*6Wj4GPainfLqBW91vKzE1ZfGixT2jJ8RS8!UM2tDbUVxkF9ITh6hlU8s/Resize%20of%20DSC01489.JPG?dc=4675462125828644805)

look at botching's pasalubong for sir v_d...love seat, hahaha! 8)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgAAAAMXnqR*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS19GSBU1RXh6mqIe*tdZy6zLMzQ*giPPHQVpDVZjaP3*J9jJeuz7xjqNQ6nD56x3!rWzrnO*IVGiksKGJZYeT8r*rLlAn1dsHi/Resize%20of%20DSC01487.JPG?dc=4675462125791708086)

the 300B Tono Treasure...malapit na rin 'tong mapasaakin, yahoo! 8)


(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgAAAAQX2aR*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1wtgIlGTbu2Psm0u6LYeobMqi*Fp!ZZNVojCKOWwV4Y4C*E4t*IIGH4!eydJczswxgBDmk6K*Eej8MoaxLKUBJvva!xp3i370/Resize%20of%20DSC01488.JPG?dc=4675462125808038506)


(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgALAwAX7aN*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1GP6LR6DKudaJ4w!UcAK04QqfwEcJxxgLb!StKSJdw2z0R388lDTSlcVU*wXA5eQARfEvnAuK23ZvqCCcqpkmVMLmmIrKLs!B/Resize%20of%20DSC01484.JPG?dc=4675462125777189506)

speakers galore!!! - sir v_d's voigts, sir v_d's mini-voigts, sir ed's tannoy stirling (pahiram naman!, hehehe!), iceman90a's monitor audio s1 (kapatid ng speakers ko!)

pareng iceman90a, took the liberty of posting these...mamayang gabi i'll upload the pics from my camera...thanks! 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Mar 03, 2004 at 08:20 PM

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgALAwAX7aN*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1GP6LR6DKudaJ4w!UcAK04QqfwEcJxxgLb!StKSJdw2z0R388lDTSlcVU*wXA5eQARfEvnAuK23ZvqCCcqpkmVMLmmIrKLs!B/Resize%20of%20DSC01484.JPG?dc=4675462125777189506)

speakers galore!!! - sir v_d's voigts, sir v_d's mini-voigts, sir ed's tannoy stirling (pahiram naman!, hehehe!), iceman90a's monitor audio s2 (kapatid ng speakers ko!)


superman,

MA S1 ang kay vince diba? ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 04, 2004 at 12:21 AM

Breathtaking!


(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/Tono-300B/DIGICAM_PICTURES_243.jpg)

The Wiredstate Tono 300B...

Top Class!


(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/Tono-300B/DIGICAM_PICTURES_216.jpg)


atop the classic pure walnut-wood Tannoy Stirling:

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/Tono-300B/DIGICAM_PICTURES_217.jpg)

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/Tono-300B/DIGICAM_PICTURES_219.jpg)

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/Tono-300B/DIGICAM_PICTURES_221.jpg)

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/Tono-300B/DIGICAM_PICTURES_233.jpg)

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/Tono-300B/DIGICAM_PICTURES_225.jpg)

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/Tono-300B/DIGICAM_PICTURES_234.jpg)

Features:

- pure single-ended 8wpc amp using the new Valve Art titanium-coated mesh plates with gold-plated bases

- NOS (new-old-stock) 6SL7 driver tubes and NOS 5U4 rectifier tube

- AURICAP coupling caps and BLACK GATE bias caps

- heavy-duty speaker binding posts for 4 and 8 ohms

- extra heavy-duty chassis, transformer covers and with gold-plated faceplate

- heavy duty hand-wound transformers

- point-to-point wiring

- exclusive WS design, fully tweaked and tested

- free lifetime guarantee on repairs

- 30- day MONEYBACK GUARANTEE
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: BuLLeT on Mar 04, 2004 at 01:04 PM
A very nice work of passion.

Two Thumbs up!!!!!!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 05, 2004 at 02:31 PM
Coming soon....

Stereo 70 (30-35wpc), push-pull amp

Built for hard-to-drive speakers:  LS3/5A, Sonus Faber, Dynaudio,  most other commercial speakers of 85db sensitivity and above...

Same chassis design as the Tono 300B

Quality/premium parts

Superb sound (guaranteed or we don't sell)

Exclusive WS DIY design

Limited production. Special introductory price for the first 8 units only. (Priority to be given to existing Tono fans)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 05, 2004 at 02:34 PM
hi Sir,

sent you PM  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 05, 2004 at 02:46 PM
Coming soon....

Stereo 70 (30-35wpc), push-pull amp

Built for hard-to-drive speakers:  LS3/5A, Sonus Faber, Dynaudio,  most other commercial speakers of 85db sensitivity and above...

Same chassis design as the Tono 300B

Quality/premium parts

Superb sound (guaranteed or we don't sell)

Exclusive WS DIY design

Limited production. Special introductory price for the first 8 units only. (Priority to be given to existing Tono fans)


sir...good pm...sent you a PM...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 05, 2004 at 03:05 PM
thanks for the reply sir...sent you another PM...by the way, any hint on more or less how much this amp would cost??? thanks again! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 05, 2004 at 03:12 PM
thanks for the reply sir...sent you another PM...by the way, any hint on more or less how much this amp would cost??? thanks again! 8)

we can't publish the price yet but will send you an indication via PM.  keep them confidential for now. :-)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Vrion on Mar 05, 2004 at 03:20 PM
Wow another item for consideration na naman to... kelan prototype nito boss?

btw, who has the 300B prototype na, pwede kaya mahiram kahit 2 days lang?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 05, 2004 at 03:24 PM
we can't publish the price yet but will send you an indication via PM.  keep them confidential for now. :-)


OK sir...no problem...will just wait for your PM...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 05, 2004 at 03:27 PM
bro. vrion,

sent you a PM...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Mar 05, 2004 at 03:46 PM
Sir V_d,

Pmd you

Thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on Mar 05, 2004 at 07:37 PM
we can't publish the price yet but will send you an indication via PM.  keep them confidential for now. :-)




hi bro vintage,

kindly pm me price estimate as well. thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 06, 2004 at 09:33 AM
Vintage Dog,

Sir wow another option for us guys..sana affordable??
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 08, 2004 at 09:16 AM
guys,

had the opportunity to give the Tono 300B a listen using my  equipment...all i can say is SUPERB!...will post impresions later on...trabaho muna...salamat! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 09, 2004 at 08:31 PM
TUBES 101

Just drop-by and come (no reservations required):

March 13, 2004
10:00am to 6pm

Unit 2402 Antel 2000
121 Valero Street,
Makati City

simple snacks and lunch courtesy of Wiredstate
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 10, 2004 at 09:07 PM
NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC: ...since i'm just a newbie in this audio hobby (although i have learned so much from the wiredstate gurus), let me try to give justice to this short review (or should i say my first impressions) about the TONO 300B - a superb invention made in heaven!


(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgCiAgMXnqR*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS19GSBU1RXh6mqIe*tdZy6zLMzQ*giPPHQVpDVZjaP3*J9jJeuz7xjqNQ6nD56x3!rWzrnO*IVGiksKGJZYeT8r*rLlAn1dsHi/Resize%20of%20DSC01487.JPG?dc=4675462125791708086)


hi guys!...thanks to sir V_D, i've had the opportunity to use (and of course ENJOY) the TONO 300B in my music room...i'd like to share my brief musical adventure with this "phenomenon"...here's the rundown of equipment used:

CD Player: Musical Fidelity Elektra E624
Interconnects: Eichmann Express 4 Interconnects (2-sets)
Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Oval 12 Cables
Speakers: Monitor Audio Silver (S2) Series
CDs used:
     1. Cantate Domino
     2. Christy Baron: I Thought About You
     3. Anita Baker: Greatest Hits
     4. Christopher Cross: Greatest hits
     5. Steve Tyrell: This Guy's In Love
     6. Chuck Mangione: Feels So Good
     7. Toto: IV
     8. Barbie's Cradle: Limang-Dipang Tao
     9. Michael McDonald: Motown

'twas an absolutely awesome, jaw-dropping experience...the vocals were superb...never heard Anita Baker "sing" this way before...it's full of flesh (especially when i heard my honey's signature song - JUST BECAUSE)...it was so full-bodied...plus, the soundtage is much bigger...actually, i had to send an SMS to arnoldc and mickey to ask which is better, the 4-ohm speaker tap or the 8-ohm speaker tap...and they gladly texted back their recommendations (hey, thanks again ha!)...

the 8-ohm tap gave more punch, bass was emphasized especially when i played Toto's Rosanna and Africa, Michael Mcdonald's Ain't No Mountain High Enough and Barbie's Cradle's Limang-Dipang Tao...never heard a 300B with this amount of bass before...iceman90a, you're right, the bass of the S2 is punchier vs. your S1...i like the punchier bite of the S2...but i also discovered (thanks to mickey) that the 4-ohm tap produces cleaner sound...personally, i like to 8-ohms vs. the 4-ohms...bass for the 4-ohms is thinner vs. the 8-ohms...sound is richer is the 8-ohms...mas mataba!...the 300B paired well with the Tono Pre-Amp and the Monitor Audio S2!

one thing i noticed also, especially comparing it with my 2A3 is that it has a wider (or should i say bigger) soundtstage...of course this has a higher power rating vs. the 2A3...the 2A3 is more laid back (in my room and in my system) vs. the 300B...and what surprised me is that even at higher volume, di sumigaw ang speakers...considering that monitor audio is a little bit notorious is terms of its impedance...at high volume, it is still ear freindly, very much detailed...trims down the highs, extends the mids (which i like) and refines the bass (again, the bite of the bass together with it detail, kakagigil!)...

i'm going home late again tonight because of work...but i'll make sure to pay my listening room a visit...kahit isang saglit man lang...hope to listen all through the night...will post additional observations, mindbloggers and goose-bumpers...hopefully tomorrow morning :?

thanks to all!...god bless!  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 10, 2004 at 11:44 PM

2nd Pinoydiophiles Tubes 101 Session
Presented by John Marc0
Sponsored by Wiredstate (the kids behind Tono  ;D)
13 March 2004
Table of Contents (free hand-outs):

3 Waves And Audio
4 Wave & Waveforms
5 Waves in The Real World
6 Waves And Products
7 Harmonic Distortion
8 Wave Phase & Phase Shift
9 Phase Mixing Products
10 Phase Results
11 Real Life is Distorted
12 Human Hearing And Waves
13 Hearing The Real World
14 Reproduction of Waves
15 Basic Passive Electronic Components
16 Resistors
17 Capacitors
18 Inductors
19 Transformers
20 Basic Electronic Circuits
21 Voltage, Current & Resistance
22 Ohms Law
23 Direct and Alternating Current
24 Ohms Law in AC Circuits
25 Behavior of Resistors in AC
26 Behavior of Capacitors in AC
27 Behavior of Inductors in AC
28 Behavior of Transformers in AC
29 RC & RL Circuits
30 RLC Circuits
31 Basic Active Electronic Components
32 Beginnings…..
33 Beginnings…..
34 Triode Transfer Curves
35 Triode Operating Points
36 Triodes as Audio Amplifiers
37 Basic Tube Amplifiers
38 How are Tube Amplifiers Designed
39 How are Tube Amplifiers Designed
40 How are Tube Amplifiers Designed
41 Modern Audio Triodes
42 Tube Power Supply Design
43 Modern Rectifier Tubes
44 Other Audio Tubes
45 Sample Designs WE43A
46 Sample Designs Sakuma
47 Sample Designs Sun Audio
48 Sample Designs TB2A3
49 Basic Sound Transmission
50 Loudspeakers Drivers
51 Loudspeakers Drivers
52 Non Enclosed Loudspeakers
53 Enclosed Loudspeakers
54 Speakers Enclosures Issues
55 Resolving Speakers Enclosures Issues
56 Horn Loudspeakers
57 Factors That Affect Enclosure Selection
58 UX245
59 Vacuum Tubes
60 Vacuum Tubes
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 11, 2004 at 02:00 AM
more Tono 300B pictures...

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VgBlctcYfiTdKRZdYeu6EZ0ToTacgE9nQeGcXhLFxy!ySOA74U0UXV*90CkovDUenuR8JK3UdnYTI1A53SfqXr!1GS*cKYMvMJ8pJ*oz4QETDO*LhY!MwH0pzLfD4kS7/Tono%20300B%20Front%20View.jpg?dc=4675463246405596655)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VADNAgEYkuLdKRZdYeu6EZ0ToTacgE9nsB9Iavbno0PJSnPAw*r1ysEXAeKuKu7gVIqKhTrmLRsvcL56ht6t4EOW6KlIvX5mBopqZgxFq!PTQN!dpG2I!m4FVNnHsLZ*/Tono%20300B%20Top%20View.jpg?dc=4675463246834329835)


thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Mar 11, 2004 at 03:43 AM
congrats superman. ;)

ganda talaga ng 300B...

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 12, 2004 at 02:50 PM
see you all tomorrow:

free session for beginners on tube audio
free hand-outs
free food

meet the gurus and DIY-kids of Wiredstate and your fellow Pinoydiophiles and PinoyDVDers...

we will also have an audio set-up to play around with...
 8)

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Mar 12, 2004 at 05:57 PM
sir vd
im out of the country..

baka pedeng makahingi ng kopya ng handouts

thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 12, 2004 at 10:39 PM
see you all tomorrow:

free session for beginners on tube audio
free hand-outs
free food

meet the gurus and DIY-kids of Wiredstate and your fellow Pinoydiophiles and PinoyDVDers...

we will also have an audio set-up to play around with...
 8)



hi sir V_D!

can;t join tomorrow...training commitments in the office...may i ask for a copy (both hard and soft copy) of the handouts to be given??? para self-study na lang ako muna  :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 12, 2004 at 11:56 PM
soft copies to be available via wiredstate.com
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 13, 2004 at 07:21 AM

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VgBlctcYfiTdKRZdYeu6EZ0ToTacgE9nQeGcXhLFxy!ySOA74U0UXV*90CkovDUenuR8JK3UdnYTI1A53SfqXr!1GS*cKYMvMJ8pJ*oz4QETDO*LhY!MwH0pzLfD4kS7/Tono%20300B%20Front%20View.jpg?dc=4675463246405596655)

thank you to the magic 12.  we will start serving your orders beginning next week at the rate of 1 unit every 2 days.  all amps undergo extensive testing by the DIY team.

to those who are ordering only now, Tono 300B has a new (higher) price (PM us for details).  the good news is that we will provide the same tubes as those in the first 12.

maraming salamat!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Mar 13, 2004 at 07:28 AM
question...how is the payment done?? can it be by terms?? ::)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 13, 2004 at 07:46 AM
question...how is the payment done?? can it be by terms?? ::)

sent you PM
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Mar 13, 2004 at 07:55 AM
sir VD pm sent as well thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 13, 2004 at 09:09 AM

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VgBlctcYfiTdKRZdYeu6EZ0ToTacgE9nQeGcXhLFxy!ySOA74U0UXV*90CkovDUenuR8JK3UdnYTI1A53SfqXr!1GS*cKYMvMJ8pJ*oz4QETDO*LhY!MwH0pzLfD4kS7/Tono%20300B%20Front%20View.jpg?dc=4675463246405596655)

thank you to the magic 12.  we will start serving your orders beginning next week at the rate of 1 unit every 2 days.  all amps undergo extensive testing by the DIY team.

to those who are ordering only now, Tono 300B has a new (higher) price (PM us for details).  the good news is that we will provide the same tubes as those in the first 12.

maraming salamat!


this is a GREAT NEWS!!!... can't wait... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 14, 2004 at 12:01 AM
I cannot thank the WiredState DIY Hard team enough for this afternoon  :) they fed us, taught us, gave freebies - and as if that was not enough... they want us back next week to teach us how to build our own amps!!!  ;D ;D

the event
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwAAAKkUZ9*u3*ScXbJfY3YGsltqhkIEwtvAcv4HUBCiqF1bZJbSHg3DgawnEV4f9yfrEr4uTVUWP0HAYYFQD5uQWV8JllQuvOTMLvH1lFc/the%20event.JPG)

the venue
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwAAAKoUzN*u3*ScXbJfYySaQGWBHJ9NFWqwrK8grZcHxFneSQuK9I2VQJL0AlBmQPUXC*QN9nLDz1o9qSYy5QCE2QwFdUPJIKbyZgErM8k/the%20venue.JPG)

early birds
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XAAAAFIb*AVdH!RqP1YmczEgNB8Du15y76xJMN9gITDXgN!!!txNQFZVkkCY7im2G6b27P86*J!yIrnYEFR2bT4o6WogiAnLi4zDqn5l8ESTZuxu57kIqz2DgWkmdnIKd9vsIUsiRlc/early%20birds%20get%20the%20worm.JPG)

recess
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QgDYAkQTG36hPYuGfCVt20hzLWdJYAPl4tLG0p19xTJFdAlTzWq8TXg!CMEKLb*Ox79QcV48Ci6uVvDMQryTWCpFbdxsu5lrZ168*CsrHPM/recess.JPG)

mandatory nicotine break
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VAAAAGUZpFHEed84J8wBbSEsZieq1fdQn5pdO7gioPsJMzNuiSD837s0R3LyOjfbKp6CeHu3rQoJqXwN1BbFJZxrRhIMfk3g7G2hECVcHXVp1XqZ6z3Y7kykpCkYgRfZ/mandatory%20yosi%20break.JPG)

class pic 1
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SADVAskUYuzrJNEUA818eu*YD3G8G6ybDuM64nMWKAim3DD75mKkhvzFK!IOKn3KDUYgHHtsFBBOFgOXyVex*Dp!mtRilNVDcMOxKmqBhpcvAAAArXJaAg/class%20pic1.JPG)

class pic 2
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SADSAsoUnezrJNEUA818egvgSXvlPp!EBQqX!Hwg!Bxq3muitPd8sVZDg!5C1itKHAxDsxTgver4U3GzQ9VjWT3zGWVQtCPjv1ej!4Q5EPJ0AAAArXJaAg/class%20pic2.JPG)

class pic 3
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SAAQA8sU2OzrJNEUA818esjiM8o7FaOYr24VbwsWyHyfrSnbMpeKcNbxBRezcfqQC!QH5dqKk0hN*ncLFOFumO9oAuZxRfxQO49vE5eSBP1HAAAArXKVAg/class%20pic3.JPG)

watch out for our parallel push pull mono block amps - based on 12AU7's!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 14, 2004 at 09:08 AM
bro...kakainggit ang mga pictures...i'm sure I MISSED A LOT...so, there's still a PART 2...waaaah...di rin ako makaka-attend, Davao ako next weekend...pero sige, abangan ko ang projects niyo...pa-home audition ha! 8)

guys, congrats...it's your 1st step towards being a TUBE GURU! 8)

CONGRATS TO THE WIREDSTATE TEAM!...proud to be PINOY! 8)

thanks!


superman 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Vrion on Mar 15, 2004 at 08:35 AM
question...how is the payment done?? can it be by terms?? ::)

Sir V_D,

Pa PM din, if ever....

thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 16, 2004 at 11:46 AM
any updates??? 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Mar 16, 2004 at 02:33 PM
sir vd

sino sino ba iyong mga pinalad na magic 8 at pede malaman na rin kung pang ilan ako sa waitlist

thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ras1842 on Mar 16, 2004 at 04:40 PM
Wala bang balak mag conduct ng session ang wiredstate dito sa cebu?  I know there are a few people who wanted to attend this kind of seminar.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Mar 18, 2004 at 01:50 PM
anyway, to those who would like to sign up for the next session, which is making a basic tube amplifier, let's get the ball rolling.

I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A SET AMPLIFIER, COUNT ME IN:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Sign up!

Depending on the number, place and date shall be determined.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Mar 18, 2004 at 04:12 PM
im in if it falls 27mar onwards (AKA slovakiedis)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Mar 18, 2004 at 04:18 PM
As long as its a saturday, sign me up! :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Mar 22, 2004 at 08:23 PM
Tono 300B, Ano po kaya balita?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 23, 2004 at 01:08 AM
to all,

thanks for your patience...we experienced some delays again due to parts upgrades...we are adding new parts: japan-made heavy-duty hum pots, UK-made aluminum clad cathode resistors, france-made switches! faceplate has bigger fonts, vents are bigger, chassis cover thicker, and chassis has new labels...

this amp is getting to be a dream machine which will put to shame most imported amps!

we gave the new amp a listen and it has a lower noise-floor, fantastic dynamics (it can drive my SF concertos!), very sweet midrange, super wide and deep soundstage....

in fact, we are so thrilled with this amp we will give one for free to the first person who can show us any commercially available amp (at the same price range) that sounds better and has better build-quality than the Tono 300B...

superman's unit is ready for pick-up tomorrow after a complete check-up!  next 2 persons on queue will get their units by weekend :-)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Mar 23, 2004 at 05:19 AM
Am gettin excited ;D thanks for the update sir.

"it can drive my sf concertos"     :o
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 23, 2004 at 09:44 AM
to all,

thanks for your patience...we experienced some delays again due to parts upgrades...we are adding new parts: japan-made heavy-duty hum pots, UK-made aluminum clad cathode resistors, france-made switches! faceplate has bigger fonts, vents are bigger, chassis cover thicker, and chassis has new labels...

this amp is getting to be a dream machine which will put to shame most imported amps!

we gave the new amp a listen and it has a lower noise-floor, fantastic dynamics (it can drive my SF concertos!), very sweet midrange, super wide and deep soundstage....

in fact, we are so thrilled with this amp we will give one for free to the first person who can show us any commercially available amp (at the same price range) that sounds better and has better build-quality than the Tono 300B...

superman's unit is ready for pick-up tomorrow after a complete check-up!  next 2 persons on queue will get their units by weekend :-)


an answered prayer...after a great vacation...now it's back to audio nirvana...yahoo! thanks VD and thanks WS gurus! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 24, 2004 at 12:04 AM
Tono 300B amp:  Did I miss out anyone?

1. botching (for saudi)
2. SUPERMAN - taken
3. jojie
4. KD
5. HKfoam
6. reserved
7. Muttley
8. choobs
9.  jay_cee_em
10. HotonE
11. Tongki
12. iceman
13. vrion
14. john 5479/toobsnewbie
15. reserved
16. doc john (for usa)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 24, 2004 at 10:18 AM
Tono 300B amp:  Did I miss out anyone?

1. botching (for saudi)
2. SUPERMAN - taken
3. jojie
4. KD
5. HKfoam
6. reserved
7. Muttley
8. choobs
9.  jay_cee_em
10. HotonE
11. Tongki
12. iceman
13. vrion
14. john 5479/toobsnewbie
15. reserved
16. doc john (for usa)


haven't had much sleep...not just because i miss my "honey" in davao (naks!)...but the TONO 300B really rocks!...sir VD, your correct, the timbre and decay of the piano is simply amazing, a very smooth transition from the "diin" to the decay...i'm sure mag-a-ala kuya germs na naman ako tonight...WALANG TULUGAN! 8)


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: 7Even on Mar 24, 2004 at 10:35 AM
Mga sir magkano ngayon ito?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Mar 24, 2004 at 11:18 AM
Guess who's enjoying the TONO preamp :)

http://www.pbase.com/image/27235319

feel free to explore my the site...:)

i shot just a few last night while I was waiting for water!..hehe

hope you like it?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Mar 24, 2004 at 11:25 AM
nice setup try audio

galeng noong figurines mo ah ;D  
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Mar 24, 2004 at 11:34 AM
thanks Qman!

that's the only souvenir I got when I was in Malaysia last year..hehe..sa airport ko pa nabili habang pauwi na :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 24, 2004 at 05:10 PM
tryman, you take fantastic shots...very creative on the Tono...what cam do you use?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 24, 2004 at 05:16 PM
regular price of the Super Tono 300B is p40k after unit #20.

17 units now reserved. 3 more units to go with 15% discount.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: [slayer] on Mar 24, 2004 at 06:21 PM
VD,

Pangunahan ko na si Tryaudio... he works as a porno este photographer for an major international news agency.

tryman, you take fantastic shots...very creative on the Tono...what cam do you use?

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Mar 24, 2004 at 07:20 PM
VD,

Pangunahan ko na si Tryaudio... he works as a porno este photographer for an major international news agency.

Sir Vintage,
Thanks for the compliment!....maybe if I get other WS projects then I could play with it more..(do I hear discounts) :)

-I used a Nikon D1 with a 14mm 2.8 lens for all the shots :)


Slayer,
I prefer the later title..hehe..! malapit na 27, see you :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 25, 2004 at 12:16 AM
Sir Vintage,
Thanks for the compliment!....maybe if I get other WS projects then I could play with it more..(do I hear discounts) :)

-I used a Nikon D1 with a 14mm 2.8 lens for all the shots :)



whoa!  a 14mm!!...you mean this:

(http://mikeli.image.pbase.com/u38/equipment/small/25093251.1925NAS_360.jpg)

that's a dream lens!  anyway, any chance you can help shoot our Tono 300B amp?

(http://mk31.image.pbase.com/u42/tryaudio/large/27235319.justtrippin.jpg)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 25, 2004 at 12:22 PM
Hi guys!

The Super Tono 300B is now singing at Superman's Tower...I've talked to Iceman90a and mentioned to him that we can have a listening session cum summer party (naks!)...now, for those interested, please let me know which schedule is OK for you...let's choose between:

1) April 16, 2004 (Friday) around 7:00pm onwards

2) April 30, 2004 (Friday) around 7:00pm onwards


please feel free to sign-in if you want to join the "tower gathering"

paging iceman90a, julsp168, geko, yukon, s2kov, edboy7, vrion, jvm, j_albert22, symon, james16, akyatbundok, hans & france, narayan, sebman, etc...

hope iceman90a can bring his S1 and his "new source", geko naman his "new vintage speakers"...by the way, yukon, geko, iceman90a , symon and julsp168...may utang pa ko sa niyo (alam niyo na yun...hehehe!)...thanks and god bless! 8) [/i]


superloverboy este superman 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 25, 2004 at 02:16 PM
Tono 300B amp status
1. botching (for saudi)
2. SUPERMAN - 3/22
3. jojie - ready for pick-up 3/25
4. KD
5. HKfoam
6. reserved
7. Muttley
8. choobs
9.  jay_cee_em
10. HotonE
11. Tongki
12. iceman
13. vrion
14. john 5479/toobsnewbie
15. reserved
16. doc john (for usa)

Quote

KD, you're next in line...  :)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Mar 25, 2004 at 02:42 PM
whoa!  a 14mm!!...you mean this:

(http://mikeli.image.pbase.com/u38/equipment/small/25093251.1925NAS_360.jpg)

that's a dream lens!  anyway, any chance you can help shoot our Tono 300B amp?
(http://mk31.image.pbase.com/u42/tryaudio/large/27235319.justtrippin.jpg)

i'm sorry but you cant post Pbase images in here..dont know why..

sir VD,
sure! I'd be honored to do that for WS. I'm shooting mostly digital cameras..is that ok with you?

thanks
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 25, 2004 at 03:20 PM

sir VD,
sure! I'd be honored to do that for WS. I'm shooting mostly digital cameras..is that ok with you?

thanks

perfect!  will contact you soon... :-)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Mar 25, 2004 at 03:36 PM
perfect!  will contact you soon... :-)

no prob sir  8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 25, 2004 at 10:57 PM


Presenting:
the new Super Tono 300B
(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/album12/IMG_0627.jpg)

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/album12/IMG_0625.jpg)


superb lay-out...only the best parts used:
(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/album12/IMG_0619.jpg)


last minute testing of voltages:
(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/album12/IMG_0623.jpg)[/size]
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Mar 26, 2004 at 12:12 AM
Ang ganda VD!  :) If I did not buy the ST70 I will get one also.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Mar 26, 2004 at 09:23 AM
i dare say this is world class. be it assembly/construction or parts selection.

to those who will get it at 28K, i say you are one damn lucky bunch!
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 26, 2004 at 09:28 AM
Arnoldc & Vintage dog,

Ganda talaga!! dapat ma-audition ulit yan...
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 26, 2004 at 11:45 AM
Arnoldc & Vintage dog,

Ganda talaga!! dapat ma-audition ulit yan...

sure.  this amp is the upgraded version which has better dynamics driving less-efficient speakers.  ideal speakers though should be over 90db.  while they can drive my SF and LS3/5A, they will clip with complex and loud passages (eg rock, etc.) with the SF and LS3/5A.   with the right speakers (>90db sens), the 300b is hard to beat in the area of musicality, tone definition,  midrange magic, even bass extension, etc...but let your ears decide. :-)



Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: MiniCooper on Mar 26, 2004 at 12:06 PM
sir V_d,  very nice indeed!

ipon muna ako para makuha ko yung wiredstate duo-- tono preamp & Tono 300B. hay naku! gastos. :'(

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 26, 2004 at 12:11 PM
1. botching - awaiting instructions on how to ship to saudi
2. SUPERMAN - taken
3. jojie - to be picked up by jojie from ed
4. KD - to ed for testing saturday; for release weds
5. HKfoam - for release thursday next week
6. reserved -
7. Muttley - for release friday next week (pickup at VD)
8. choobs
9.  jay_cee_em
10. HotonE
11. Tongki
12. iceman
13. vrion
14. john 5479/toobsnewbie
15. reserved
16. doc john (for usa)
17. pparungao
18.
19.
20.
-----------------
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 26, 2004 at 12:35 PM
Tono 300B condition of sale:

The 300b amp is being sold to you at a very special price.  Wiredstate reserves the right to have the first option to buy back the amp (at no more than the price paid) in case you plan to sell.  This amp should NOT be re-sold to a non-Wiredstate member and without prior consent of Wiredstate.

If you don't agree with the above, we can NOT sell you the amp.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Mar 26, 2004 at 12:37 PM
i agree  :D
(dick dastardly: muttleeey do something  ;D  ;D  ;D)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Mar 26, 2004 at 02:58 PM
BEAUTIFUL

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwDsAm8TYH1YpHZSR2TTx38SV6hfBgHC0Uj8yV8TNbFmN8OlqgDFvmMdyacSdw1EafZZiuCRbnOZT!1PataHOyJm469nIqBAPRGUqSAa62I/300B.jpg?dc=4675465383292992446)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 26, 2004 at 05:06 PM
the 300b is hard to beat in the area of musicality, tone definition,  midrange magic, even bass extension, etc...but let your ears decide. :-)

i agree with sir VD...for the price, it's a steal! those who would like to give it a listen, let me know...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 26, 2004 at 10:58 PM
this Super Tono 300B sounds great that you'll deprive yourself of much needed sleep... 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Mar 27, 2004 at 07:35 PM
i agree with sir VD...for the price, it's a steal! those who would like to give it a listen, let me know...thanks! 8)

What tube complements are you using?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 28, 2004 at 12:22 AM
What tube complements are you using?


bro. tuff...all NOS...driver is NOS Jan Philips 6SL7...rectifier is NOS Sylvania 5U4G...but will use RCA Red Base 6SL7 and Mullard 5U4 as well...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Mar 28, 2004 at 10:04 PM
bro. tuff...all NOS...driver is NOS Jan Philips 6SL7...rectifier is NOS Sylvania 5U4G...but will use RCA Red Base 6SL7 and Mullard 5U4 as well...thanks! 8)

congrats nga pala! maganda yang sylvania! what 300b tube are you using btw?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rossifumi46 on Mar 29, 2004 at 02:53 AM
i agree with sir VD...for the price, it's a steal! those who would like to give it a listen, let me know...thanks! 8)

ako game ako1:) jsut text me at 09193560397
i heard the previous version but i do understand this one has modificatoins on it
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 29, 2004 at 02:22 PM
superman,

Pre was discussing with Iceman last Saturday of a possible gate crashing session at your tower hehehe..
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Mar 31, 2004 at 01:18 AM

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwDsAm8TYH1YpHZSR2TTx38SV6hfBgHC0Uj8yV8TNbFmN8OlqgDFvmMdyacSdw1EafZZiuCRbnOZT!1PataHOyJm469nIqBAPRGUqSAa62I/300B.jpg?dc=4675465383292992446)
Quote

update:

1. botching - awaiting instructions on how to ship to saudi
2. SUPERMAN - taken
3. jojie - taken
4. KD - due 3/30
5. HKfoam - due 4/1
6. reserved -
7. Muttley - for release friday next week (pickup at VD)
8. choobs
9. jay_cee_em
10. HotonE
11. Tongki
12. iceman - pickup at VD
13. vrion
14. john 5479/toobsnewbie
15. reserved
16. doc john (110-120v for usa)
17. pparungao
18. reserved
19. amandarae (110-120v for usa)
20.
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 31, 2004 at 09:51 AM
congrats nga pala! maganda yang sylvania! what 300b tube are you using btw?

thanks bro! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 31, 2004 at 09:53 AM
ako game ako1:) jsut text me at 09193560397
i heard the previous version but i do understand this one has modificatoins on it

no problem, bro!...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 31, 2004 at 09:54 AM
superman,

Pre was discussing with Iceman last Saturday of a possible gate crashing session at your tower hehehe..


sayang...was out the whole time...grabe dami trabaho...next time bro...basta set natin yung listening session para organized, thanks again! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Mar 31, 2004 at 02:50 PM
Hi guys!

The Super Tono 300B is now singing at Superman's Tower...I've talked to Iceman90a and mentioned to him that we can have a listening session cum summer party (naks!)...now, for those interested, please let me know which schedule is OK for you...let's choose between:

1) April 16, 2004 (Friday) around 7:00pm onwards

2) April 30, 2004 (Friday) around 7:00pm onwards


please feel free to sign-in if you want to join the "tower gathering"

paging iceman90a, julsp168, geko, yukon, s2kov, edboy7, vrion, jvm, j_albert22, symon, james16, akyatbundok, hans & france, narayan, sebman, etc...

hope iceman90a can bring his S1 and his "new source", geko naman his "new vintage speakers"...by the way, yukon, geko, iceman90a , symon and julsp168...may utang pa ko sa niyo (alam niyo na yun...hehehe!)...thanks and god bless! 8) [/i]


superloverboy este superman 8)


cast your votes, guys...anyone joining pa??? thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 02, 2004 at 05:05 PM
to all 300b amp current (and would be) owners:

please make sure you install the 300b pins correctly into the sockets.  the fat pins should be nearest the front.  installing it incorrectly will smoke your amp!  2 amps were already damaged because of this.

Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ZEPHYR on Apr 03, 2004 at 07:03 AM
Hi sir Vintage_Dog


sent you PM thanks


Zephyr :D
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Apr 05, 2004 at 11:01 AM
to all 300b amp current (and would be) owners:

please make sure you install the 300b pins correctly into the sockets.  the fat pins should be nearest the front.  installing it incorrectly will smoke your amp!  2 amps were already damaged because of this.



 :o :o :o


Got my tono 300b last friday, Thanks sir Ed ;)

My set up:

Tono 300B
Tono pre-amp
Sony SCD-XE670
Sonus Faber Concertino
XLO-Pro spkr wire
Monster Cable Interconnect

Am using the 8 ohm speaker tap.

 :) :) :)


 


Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 05, 2004 at 11:05 AM
CONGRATS!!!

kayang kaya ba ng 300b ang Concertino?
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Apr 05, 2004 at 12:14 PM
:o :o :o


Got my tono 300b last friday, Thanks sir Ed ;)

My set up:

Tono 300B
Tono pre-amp
Sony SCD-XE670
Sonus Faber Concertino
XLO-Pro spkr wire
Monster Cable Interconnect

Am using the 8 ohm speaker tap.

 :) :) :)


hey mutt!

congrats...enjoy! 8)
Title: Re:Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Muttley on Apr 05, 2004 at 01:28 PM
sir ice,

for me yes, plus ganda ng bass  ;)

sir sup,

ZZZ ZZZZZ   ZZZZZ (breaktime na, napuyat ako kagabi)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 12, 2004 at 04:54 PM
taken:
SUPERMAN
jojie
KD
Muttley
jay_cee_em
HotonE

for pick-up:
choobs
Tongki
iceman
vrion

pls contact ed asap:
HKfoam

next deliveries:
john 5479/toobsnewbie
pparungao
macolive

for export:
doc john (110-120v for usa)
amandarae (110-120v for usa)
botching (for saudi)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 12, 2004 at 10:14 PM
taken:
SUPERMAN
jojie
KD
Muttley
jay_cee_em
HotonE

for pick-up:
choobs
Tongki

iceman - picked up and warming up... mahaba habang tugtugan!!!  ;D

Quote

vrion

pls contact ed asap:
HKfoam

next deliveries:
john 5479/toobsnewbie
pparungao
macolive

for export:
doc john (110-120v for usa)
amandarae (110-120v for usa)
botching (for saudi)[/b]
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Apr 13, 2004 at 07:51 AM
congrats iceman!
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 13, 2004 at 09:36 AM
Iceman,

Congrats sa super tono 300B!! wowow :o :o warming up agad.. O0
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 13, 2004 at 10:04 AM
ty mga bro  :D

pag gusto nyo pumasyal minsan - set natin  :)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kimpao on Apr 13, 2004 at 11:29 AM
uy! baka pwedeng sumabit diyan! congrats iceman sa bago mong toy. maganda yan, sir O0
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Apr 13, 2004 at 11:40 AM
ty mga bro  :D

pag gusto nyo pumasyal minsan - set natin  :)


bro, kelan??? just got back from the holy week vacation...medyo nasunog tayo eh, hehehe...sungo din sa pagmamahal...hahaha! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 13, 2004 at 11:44 AM
set natin, kung kailan pwede - huwag lang this sat, next weekend baka pwede  :D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Apr 13, 2004 at 01:51 PM
set natin, kung kailan pwede - huwag lang this sat, next weekend baka pwede  :D


thanks bro!...balitaan mo na lang kami...  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Apr 13, 2004 at 02:39 PM
Oopsss.... San session?





thanks bro!...balitaan mo na lang kami...  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Vrion on Apr 14, 2004 at 07:47 AM
mga bros...

baka pwede makigulo dito  :) :)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 14, 2004 at 09:01 AM



thanks bro!...balitaan mo na lang kami...  ;D

kung paisa isa lang punta - anytime mga bro, pero kung dagsa - di tayo kasya, kailangan paghandaan  ;)

pm nyo ko  :)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 14, 2004 at 10:17 AM
Iceman,

Sama akoooo.. hehehe malapit na house ko konti.. O0
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Apr 15, 2004 at 12:45 PM
Hi guys!

The Super Tono 300B is now singing at Superman's Tower...I've talked to Iceman90a and mentioned to him that we can have a listening session cum summer party (naks!)...now, for those interested, please let me know which schedule is OK for you...let's choose between:

1) April 16, 2004 (Friday) around 7:00pm onwards

2) April 30, 2004 (Friday) around 7:00pm onwards


please feel free to sign-in if you want to join the "tower gathering"

paging iceman90a, julsp168, geko, yukon, s2kov, edboy7, vrion, jvm, j_albert22, symon, james16, akyatbundok, hans & france, narayan, sebman, etc...

hope iceman90a can bring his S1 and his "new source", geko naman his "new vintage speakers"...by the way, yukon, geko, iceman90a , symon and julsp168...may utang pa ko sa niyo (alam niyo na yun...hehehe!)...thanks and god bless! 8) [/i]


superloverboy este superman 8)


hi guys!

with the sked this week, i don't hink we can have alistening session this friday...best bet is april 30...thanks! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Apr 15, 2004 at 02:04 PM
shoot.... ;) ;) ;)




hi guys!

with the sked this week, i don't hink we can have alistening session this friday...best bet is april 30...thanks! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Apr 15, 2004 at 05:32 PM
OK, let's start then...

Listening Session on April 30, 2004, Superman's Tower...

1. s2kov
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

thanks! 8)

god bless!

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 15, 2004 at 05:56 PM
hi sups,
how would you like to try this out during your session....

70 big watts of tube power.... 8)

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/album13/PP_AMP.sized.jpg)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: qguy on Apr 15, 2004 at 06:03 PM
is this the "Tono ST 70" ?

how does it fare versus the other popular St-70 ?  brand withheld..hehehe
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kaffee1 on Apr 15, 2004 at 06:06 PM

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SQDgApMVcwW5nDeqdF9trZIUzpb81DyI5mqyATwNvhNmM4Jly2LvhNmdwz1vqOkPRn*57CHB5BSg1w!1pFLprxdhZXM!Xmx61pFZx4BAYFIku05GyaRVwQ/DSC04349.JPG?dc=4675447827288908991)


i'd say this is a very handsome turntable :)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Apr 15, 2004 at 06:29 PM
hi sups,
how would you like to try this out during your session....

70 big watts of tube power.... 8)


oooohhh  O0 it looks bad. its got cerafine caps and uses el34s  >:D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Apr 15, 2004 at 06:31 PM
looks promising!!! :)

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 15, 2004 at 06:31 PM
is this the "Tono ST 70" ?

how does it fare versus the other popular St-70 ?  brand withheld..hehehe

hehehe...no contest  ;)

(btw, this is NOT the tono s70)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: john5479 on Apr 15, 2004 at 06:34 PM
care to divulge more about the el34 amp on the pic? is this diy?
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Apr 15, 2004 at 07:08 PM
hi sups,
how would you like to try this out during your session....

70 big watts of tube power.... 8)


thanks sir!

sige, can i bring it home this weekend together with the tinos??? will pass by probably saturday morning...any news on the new fostex bookshelf speakers??? how 'bout the faceplate of the tono preamp??? thanks and god bless! 8)

superman 8)

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 15, 2004 at 09:21 PM
care to divulge more about the el34 amp on the pic? is this diy?

if i'm not mistaken this is an eico  :)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: doughn on Apr 17, 2004 at 09:28 PM
hey iceman90a,

just wana know kng how much yung tono300b? any reviews

would you know how was it match with the tinos? thanks sir.


peace man

-doughn
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 17, 2004 at 11:53 PM
care to divulge more about the el34 amp on the pic? is this diy?

sent you PM
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 18, 2004 at 12:04 AM
hey iceman90a,

just wana know kng how much yung tono300b? any reviews

would you know how was it match with the tinos? thanks sir.


peace man

-doughn

hi - i think its now at the regular price of 40k... pm vintage dog for more details  :) for info on compatibility with SF Tinos, Muttley is enjoying that combo  :) you can get more info from him as well pasensya ka na kung puro pasa ha, sure kasi mas masasagot nila tanong mo  :)

reviews - my current combo is heaven and hell, well made cd's sound great - poor recordings (like those made from MP3 transferred to CD) sound very flat and harsh  :(
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: doughn on Apr 18, 2004 at 12:29 AM


hi - i think its now at the regular price of 40k... pm vintage dog for more details  :) for info on compatibility with SF Tinos, Muttley is enjoying that combo  :) you can get more info from him as well pasensya ka na kung puro pasa ha, sure kasi mas masasagot nila tanong mo  :)

reviews - my current combo is heaven and hell, well made cd's sound great - poor recordings (like those made from MP3 transferred to CD) sound very flat and harsh  :(


thanks for the info. more power :)

peace bro

-doughn
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 18, 2004 at 06:40 AM



thanks for the info. more power :)

peace bro

-doughn

PM us if you want to know special discount for Pinoy DVD and Wiredstate members.  Thanks
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rony on Apr 18, 2004 at 11:07 AM
hi sups,
how would you like to try this out during your session....

70 big watts of tube power.... 8)

(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/album13/PP_AMP.sized.jpg)


sir vintage eico hf-87 ba ito? maganda ang amp na ito . sweet and luscious ang midrange at ang bass matindi meron slam.




Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 18, 2004 at 02:11 PM
this is an EL34 PP amp using the legendary late '50s transformers of the Eico.  The chassis is Eico, but the power supply circuit is different, the circuit is modified and the operating voltages are different.

this amp will serve as our reference PP amp at Wiredstate.  so far, no stereo EL34 PP amp (vintage or modern) i own or heard comes close to this one. 
 
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Apr 18, 2004 at 05:14 PM


hi - i think its now at the regular price of 40k... pm vintage dog for more details  :) for info on compatibility with SF Tinos, Muttley is enjoying that combo  :) you can get more info from him as well pasensya ka na kung puro pasa ha, sure kasi mas masasagot nila tanong mo  :)

reviews - my current combo is heaven and hell, well made cd's sound great - poor recordings (like those made from MP3 transferred to CD) sound very flat and harsh  :(

hi!

the concerto pair of sir VD is with me...let me know if you want to audition, just send me a PM or text me 0918-9284868...i'm babysitting the tinos now...sana nga ibenta ng mura, hehehehe! 8)

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Apr 18, 2004 at 05:17 PM
this is an EL34 PP amp using the legendary late '50s transformers of the Eico.  The chassis is Eico, but the power supply circuit is different, the circuit is modified and the operating voltages are different.

this amp will serve as our reference PP amp at Wiredstate.  so far, no stereo EL34 PP amp (vintage or modern) i own or heard comes close to this one. 
 

hopefully, during the session on the 30th, we can listen to this...i think sir VD is allowing me to "babysit" this after he breaks it in...we can try it with both the MA silver and the concerto...thanks! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Apr 21, 2004 at 11:16 AM
hi guys!

so far only 2 have confirmed for the schedules session on the 30th...

iceman90a, geko, julsp168, yukon, symon, edboy7, hans and the others, hope you can join as well...thanks! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 22, 2004 at 01:54 PM
superman,

Uy cge will ask the guys.. this sat usap kami..
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Apr 23, 2004 at 04:54 PM
sir me balita na ba kung kelan ang distribution ng new project nyo EL34 and sino sino ang naka reserve.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 23, 2004 at 05:53 PM
it may be in may or even june when we get something out.  we'll keep you posted on developments.

thanks for you ineterest
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Qman on Apr 23, 2004 at 07:33 PM
thanks sir,

tinatantiya ko kasi ang budget ko sa speakers kung sakaling napasama ako sa mga listahan ng mga naka reserve nito.

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 27, 2004 at 02:41 AM
Tono 300b users,

thanks for your support.  all local orders have now been served.   :)

units for USA will soon be ready!

for those interested, a special Tono preamp+Tono 300b combo will be made for the serious audiophile at a special price.
2 sets of the Tono preamp+300b will be made available in early May.



Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 27, 2004 at 07:16 AM
i am writing this note to clarify what are the guarantees on the Tono products:

1. LIFETIME GUARANTEE on free repairs of the Tono gear.  of course, that assumes we are still alive by the time the uinit malfunctions, etc.  ;D  again, that does not include tubes and assumes the preamp is NOT modified.

2. 30-DAYS on tubes.  if within 30 days,  the tube dies, or becomes defective, we will replace the tube (NOT THE PREAMP) for free 

3. 30-DAYS BUY BACK.   if within 30-days from purchase you are NOT satisfied with the product, we will gladly buy it back at the same price paid.  (we had actually bought back 2 units even beyond 30 days)  i hope folks understand that we can not have a lifetime buyback policy.  if we created that impression to anyone, then we wish to correct that with this note.  the 30-days buy back is still guaranteed.

4. On the amps, we had a condition that WS be given (by seller) the first option to buy back the amp.

feel free to write us for any questions.





Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 28, 2004 at 11:14 PM
Tono 300b users,

thanks for your support.  all local orders have now been served.   :)

units for USA will soon be ready!

for those interested, a special Tono preamp+Tono 300b combo will be made for the serious audiophile at a special price.
2 sets of the Tono preamp+300b will be made available in early May.



the 2 sets Tono 300b+preamp combo are now taken by nani (singapore) and SoFtCliPpEr.  thanks!

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Apr 28, 2004 at 11:16 PM
good news! 

the Tono preamp and Tono 300b amp will soon be reviewed (and hopefully featured) in a US-based international audio magazine!

...more later!  :)
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Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Apr 28, 2004 at 11:25 PM
good news! 

the Tono preamp and Tono 300b amp will soon be reviewed (and hopefully featured) in a US-based international audio magazine!

...more later!  :)
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that's great news...congrats to wiredstate! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: j_albert22 on May 08, 2004 at 07:10 AM
sir question lang and its a matter of curiosity ? Sir ano po ba ang magandang pair nang speaker na compatible sa tono 300B amp?  ano po ba ang spec nang tono 300B?  thanks
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on May 08, 2004 at 08:18 AM
sir question lang and its a matter of curiosity ? Sir ano po ba ang magandang pair nang speaker na compatible sa tono 300B amp?  ano po ba ang spec nang tono 300B?  thanks

any speaker with a sensitivity of 90db and above would be a good match with the tono 300b amp.  i know of some owners who paired them with 87db speakers like the SF and the tono drives them well.

the tono 300b amp is a stereo single-ended amp with 8wpc.  it has an exclusive design by the DIY fanatics at wiredstate.  it is meant for serious audiophiles only who want the best in parts, design and value.  it is a natural upgrade to most ss amps and other commercial tube amps.

it is now being exported to the USA and is made to order only.

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on May 08, 2004 at 11:06 AM
i agree, for the SET amps of wiredstate, highly efficient speakers are the best...my 91db monitor audio S2 is a very good match for the super tono 300B...

try also wiredstate's speaker line (BS60, mini-voights, etc.)...wiredstate people paired the super tono 300B with sonus faber, spendor, rogers, klipsch, infinity...there were various results but are pretty impressive...thanks! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on May 09, 2004 at 10:28 PM
the super tono 300B is getting better and better everyday...parang alak, mas matagal mas masarap...haaaay!...kakain-love ang tunog...thanks talaga to the wiredstate team for this superb product...

hoping to "tube-roll" in the next few weeks...plus will also try "new gears" paired withe the super tono 300B...a tube CDP and hi-efficiency speakers maybe???  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Narayan on May 10, 2004 at 11:14 AM
the super tono 300B is getting better and better everyday...parang alak, mas matagal mas masarap...haaaay!...kakain-love ang tunog...thanks talaga to the wiredstate team for this superb product...

hoping to "tube-roll" in the next few weeks...plus will also try "new gears" paired withe the super tono 300B...a tube CDP and hi-efficiency speakers maybe???  ;D  ;D  ;D


bro,

let me make a guess... the jolida jd100 cdp and maybe klipsch speakers ::)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on May 10, 2004 at 12:14 PM
hey narayan!...

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....wrong guess...secret muna...pag andiyan na balitaan ko kayo...hehehe! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on May 10, 2004 at 02:44 PM
Superman,

O_ _ _ _ ba speaker na palit mo pre??  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kimpao on May 10, 2004 at 03:31 PM



bro,

let me make a guess... the jolida jd100 cdp and maybe klipsch speakers ::)

"Rivoed" Cayin CDT-15A at O_ _ _ _ speakers ba, sir? :D :D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: audiobyte on May 11, 2004 at 08:40 AM
 :) Got hold of this tono preamp for almost a week now. Hooked it up in my reference audio rig and gave it a serious listen. Hey man, this preamp is a joke! It's not what others claimed it to be! Changed components, cables, speaker position, etc.....no change, no improvement. Hey man, this preamp is a real joke! It's got:

1. Constricted dynamics
2. Weak and soft bass
3. Subdued leading edges of instrumental outlines
4. Flat imaging
5. Murky presentation

But there's still one hope  ::) remaining before I junk/get rid of this tono preamp. I really don't know how many hours this was fired up by the previous owner. So I subjected it to the burn-in tones of the Sheffield/XLO Test and Burn-in cd. After 52 hours of burn-in, I lit a candle and said a little audio prayer then played one of my reference cd's. Holy cow! Hey man, this tono preamp is NOT a joke! And I'm not ready for this. Now it's got:

1. Very good macro- and microdynamics
2. Strong and well-defined bass
3. Fleshed-out instrumental outlines
4. Deep and wide sounstage with pinpoint imaging
5. Very clear and transparent sonic picture

My previous Audio Research LS-7 had richer mids but is bright (a general characteristic of AR amps) and thin-sounding than this tono. As you've guessed already, I like this tono preamp!

There's only one problem with my unit. And not a minor one as it imparts a grainy texture to the overall sound. One of the 12AU7's has an abnormally high hiss/noise level(like crackling/frying sound) that is audible in my listening position about seven feet from the affected speaker channel. Swapping the tubes only transferred the problem to the channel where the suspected tube is! My pair of Fostex horns @ 98 db/w/m sensitivity is very revealing of amps' residual noise levels.

The tono preamp is very good as what others claimed it to be! Congrats to the Wiredstate design group!  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on May 12, 2004 at 03:18 PM
Superman,

O_ _ _ _ ba speaker na palit mo pre??  ;D ;D


wala pa sir... 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on May 12, 2004 at 03:21 PM

"Rivoed" Cayin CDT-15A at O_ _ _ _ speakers ba, sir? :D :D


wish ko lang, sir...hehehe!  8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on May 12, 2004 at 05:14 PM

There's only one problem with my unit. And not a minor one as it imparts a grainy texture to the overall sound. One of the 12AU7's has an abnormally high hiss/noise level(like crackling/frying sound) that is audible in my listening position about seven feet from the affected speaker channel.

contact me at 0917-621-5056.  we'll replace the tubes with a fresh pair - NOS of course.

simple (exclusive) circuitry and choice parts set the tono apart from other preamps.  some users have compared the tono with branded preamps, and the tono was preferred.

btw, what amp are you using.  matching is also key.  which fostex are you using?  you should at least give the tono 300b amp a listen with the fostex.  let us know if you want to home audition a 300b amp...

cheers :-)

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on May 12, 2004 at 05:38 PM
sir, any news on the new bookshelves??? thanks, god bless! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: audiobyte on May 12, 2004 at 09:36 PM
Sir V_D,

I'm using the tono preamp to drive the power amp section of my integrated Yamaha AX-1200 (only sold in Japan). They are hooked up to a pair of backloaded horns using Fostex FE206E 8'' full-range drivers. The speaker cabinets are actually this:

     http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/speaker_comp/pdf/recom_enclose/206e_enclrev.pdf


Thanks for your generosity! I'll give you a call soon.  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: RU9 on May 13, 2004 at 09:30 AM
I'm using the tono preamp to drive the power amp section of my integrated Yamaha AX-1200 (only sold in Japan).

Hi audiobyte,

May I inquire on volume setting of your Tono preamp to achieve a very loud level.

In my case, at 9:00, it is already too loud when connected to a 70-watt/channel
Rotel amp. A mismatch in my opinion.

Thanks.

Louie
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: audiobyte on May 13, 2004 at 11:31 AM
hi louie,

same volume setting as yours but it'ok with me! i would not say it's a mismatch. it just means that the tono preamp has enough headroom to drive even low sensitivity power amps. if you really wanted a finer or more graduations in volume, you might be able to go around it by changing the volume pot to a lower value, say 50 kohms. happy listening!
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: RU9 on May 13, 2004 at 01:14 PM

same volume setting as yours but it'ok with me! i would not say it's a mismatch. it just means that the tono preamp has enough headroom to drive even low sensitivity power amps.

Audiobyte,

Thank you for the clarification.

Louie
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on May 14, 2004 at 08:26 AM


....we'll replace the tubes with a fresh pair - NOS of course.



how's the preamp now with the new tubes?

the installed tubes were somehow NOT the original ones.  we mark all the tubes that go with our tono, and the mark was no longer there.  one tube was microphonic.  also, it may be good to clean the pins occasionally with a brush...
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: audiobyte on May 14, 2004 at 12:01 PM
sir v_d,

tx for the replacement tubes! what an aftersales service even for the second owner like me! the sound of my tono preamp is now as clear as a whistle.

tx also for the impromptu listening session (with mickey) last wednesday night. it was really a thrilling experience listening to your audio rig......and of course for the red wine.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on May 14, 2004 at 02:14 PM
Vintage Dog,

Quote
the installed tubes were somehow NOT the original ones we mark all the tubes that go with our tono, and the mark was no longer there.   


Sir VD meron ba? can't remember mine with a mark? o baka i forgot lang..  :D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on May 14, 2004 at 02:54 PM
Vintage Dog,


 

Sir VD meron ba? can't remember mine with a mark? o baka i forgot lang..  :D

sent you PM
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on May 14, 2004 at 04:16 PM
Vintage Dog,

Sir thanks for confirming baka nga wla din yun akin.. :)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: akyatbundok on May 18, 2004 at 07:33 PM
beauty!

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/tono5.jpg)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: j_albert22 on May 19, 2004 at 08:11 AM
beauty!

(http://203.131.66.146:8080/tono5.jpg)

not only beauty OKI na
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: redmagic on May 21, 2004 at 12:42 PM

now that i have "longer" time now and tapos na enrollment, its time to plan for a new project.  >:D
research muna tube. where will i start? anything and everything about tubes. help pls!

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on May 21, 2004 at 01:30 PM
Other members can help you with it. Listen to different tube amps, then decide what amp will satisfy you.... ;) ;) ;)



now that i have "longer" time now and tapos na enrollment, its time to plan for a new project.  >:D
research muna tube. where will i start? anything and everything about tubes. help pls!


Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jun 01, 2004 at 12:19 AM
you are invited to the first Pinoy(au)diophiles Audio Fair.

for details, please visit Wiredstate.com

(http://www.ryano.net/iraq/img/1/1176610.jpg)

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jun 10, 2004 at 09:24 AM
date moved from June 20 to June 27.

over 5000+ LPs and CDs

over 100+ pieces of audio gear...

join the fun!  meet fellow audiophiles...

please visit www.wiredstate.com for details

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: redmagic on Jun 10, 2004 at 03:06 PM

yeah! maganda to! punta tayo!  :D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: redmagic on Jun 10, 2004 at 04:17 PM

sir VD,

planning to venture into tubes, and would like to understand them first. was there a softcopy of the tubes 101 materials during the past seminar? where can i get it? anybody please? thanks!
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jun 18, 2004 at 01:39 PM
Don't miss this big event...a gathering of audio dealers, newbies, audiophiles and DIYers at Wiredstate....

thousands of LPs and CDs on sale plus dozens of audio gear on demo/display.


Audio Dealers:

2305-B Sonny Tuazon

2305-D Sonny Tuazon

2305-E Sonny Tuazon

2304 Architectural Audio

2303-bedroom Opera Audio

2307-bedroom Hyper Audio

2303-DIYers, CD, Vinyl, Audio Gear sellers

2307-Mang Johnny Demo, Vintage Gear Demo, CD, Vinyl, Audio Gear seller


Official Entries in the DIY room:

1. Ike Tuazon - Voigt speaker

2. Erik - TL speakers with ribbon tweeters and 300B power amplifier

3. Joel - full-function preamp and 205 power amplifier

4. Mickey - High-efficiency speaker, 45 and 50 power amplifier

5. T-Rex - Foreplay preamp with C4S, DIY speakers

6. Arnold - 807 power amplifier and 407 preamplifier (if they finish on time)

7. Art Flores - SET 845 amp, push pull 5881 amp, 12AT Preamp

8. Wiredstate 300B, TB2A3ii, Tono Preamp

9. Ben Canseco - BASs DIY speakers

10. Mandy Marino - DIY tonearm mounted on Thorens 'table
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Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jun 21, 2004 at 01:29 PM

What's playing at the DIY room:


10am - 11am
Mickey's Fidelio Speakers, 45 integrated amplifier
Featuring the music of Bong Peñera

11am - 12nn
Ben Canseco's BASs speakers, Arnold's Gemini (417-45/2A3) amplifier + T-Rex's Foreplay w/ C4S mod
Featuring the music of Juan dela Cruz Band

12nn - 1pm
T-Rex's Voigt speakers + JE Labs 2A3 (built by Joseph Esmilla himself) + Joel's Preamp
Featuring the music of Earth, Wind and Fire

1pm - 2pm
Mickey's Fidelio Speakers, 50 amplifier, and Tono Preamp
Featuring the Music of Boy Katindig

2pm - 3pm
Erik's TL w/ ribbon tweeter speakers, 300B, and Preamp w/ phonostage
Featuring the music of Seawind

3pm - 4pm
Mickey's Fidelio speakers, Joel's 205 amplifier and Preamp w/ phonostage

4pm - 5pm
T-Rex's Voigt speakers + Tono 2A3ii + Tono Preamp
Thorens Turntable w/ Mandy's DIY Kamagong Tonearm

5pm - 6pm
Ike's Voigt speakers + Tono 300B + Tono Preamp
Thorens Turntable w/ Mandy's DIY Kamagong Tonearm
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jun 21, 2004 at 01:31 PM

PRESS RELEASE: For media circulation

The Coming of Age of the Pinoydiophile

Wiredstate.com is an Internet forum for the Pinoy audio community fused by passionate discussions on equipment, media and most of all the music. The random ramblings are finding its voice and venue on June 27, 2004 for the first ever Philippine Audio Fair to be held at the LPL Manor, Salcedo Village, Makati.

The event will round up the latest top brand audio gear in both analog and digital, showcase vintage hi-fi and DIY audio equipment and include sales and trading of new and used vinyl and Cds, new production and New Old Stock (NOS) vacuum tubes, audio kits and tweaks.

To experience the distinct brilliance and clarity of both tube and solid state sound, nine demo rooms will be put together. The show will likewise feature the innovative designs and creations of Filipino DIYers. Among the better established brand names to be presented in the show are Clearaudio and Nottingham turntables, Musical Fidelity Trivista Series, Dynavector cartridges, Vienna Acoustic and Triangle speakers, Antique Soundlab and Opera Audio amplifiers.

The Philippine Audio Fair will be on Sunday, June 27, 2004 at the LPL Manor, 23rd Floor, 116 LP Leviste Street, Salcedo Village, Makati from 10am to 6pm. Entrance is free. For inquiries, please call 813-6651 or email [email protected].

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Handyman on Jun 23, 2004 at 11:24 AM
Other members can help you with it. Listen to different tube amps, then decide what amp will satisfy you.... ;) ;) ;)





Sir, gusto namin ni redmagic...ikaw na lang ang magturo... :) :) :)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Jun 23, 2004 at 12:26 PM
Hehehe....  I'm not the right person (newbie), kung satellite yan pwede pa pre!!!! Anyway, one day let's meet and finalize what we discussed....






Sir, gusto namin ni redmagic...ikaw na lang ang magturo... :) :) :)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: odyopayl on Jun 23, 2004 at 02:52 PM
Hehehe....  I'm not the right person (newbie), kung satellite yan pwede pa pre!!!! Anyway, one day let's meet and finalize what we discussed....






Sir pupunta ka pala, pasabay naman
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Jun 23, 2004 at 03:14 PM
Nde ako pwede this sunday.... Sana maulit yung Audio Fair....



Sir pupunta ka pala, pasabay naman
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: redmagic on Jun 24, 2004 at 12:32 PM
Hehehe....  I'm not the right person (newbie), kung satellite yan pwede pa pre!!!! Anyway, one day let's meet and finalize what we discussed....


sir may kaalaman na din kami ni handyman dyan eh. sa tubo wala pa, baka naman matulungan mo kami dito. nakita ko na nga ginawa mong tube pre-amp. musta performance?

may spare ka bang twt at klystron dyan? baka pwede na yun hehehe!
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: redmagic on Jun 24, 2004 at 12:36 PM

sir s2kov,

baka maraming tubes sa ligid-ligid dyan baka gusto mo kami timbrehan kung meron.  ;)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: s2kov on Jun 24, 2004 at 07:35 PM

may spare ka bang twt at klystron dyan? baka pwede na yun hehehe!

Travelling Wave Tube?? Sorry, gamit lahat!!!! Klystron tube meron ako dito spare dalawa rated 3KW.... >:D >:D >:D

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Jun 29, 2004 at 01:02 PM
I now have a modified 300b with DC heaters - galing! parang na turbo charge, better bass and PRAT ;D

thanks to Vintage Dog, Arnoldc and Mickey!  :)

got the new faceplate for the Preamp too  ;D
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VwDWF!0XfhJ*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1oRVACsyVEnEav8oK1oObDj0WT7NSO7Rh8MfbJ1ENMTdq3GXOrO3FBkz*jxK6C6Fs2eEq0*Mq*SSZKU*0n3qRKLqMz6Mp!a6V/Resize%20of%20DSC02102.JPG)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Vrion on Jun 30, 2004 at 09:43 AM
I now have a modified 300b with DC heaters - galing! parang na turbo charge, better bass and PRAT ;D

thanks to Vintage Dog, Arnoldc and Mickey!  :)

got the new faceplate for the Preamp too  ;D


Galing ah, match na match na!

How much for the tweak bro?

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Audioboy on Jun 30, 2004 at 10:10 AM
ice,

ganda ng patungan mo ng amp and preamp mo.

where did you get that?

lovan ba yung rack?

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Jun 30, 2004 at 10:34 AM
I now have a modified 300b with DC heaters - galing! parang na turbo charge, better bass and PRAT ;D

thanks to Vintage Dog, Arnoldc and Mickey!  :)

got the new faceplate for the Preamp too  ;D
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VwDWF!0XfhJ*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1oRVACsyVEnEav8oK1oObDj0WT7NSO7Rh8MfbJ1ENMTdq3GXOrO3FBkz*jxK6C6Fs2eEq0*Mq*SSZKU*0n3qRKLqMz6Mp!a6V/Resize%20of%20DSC02102.JPG)


guapo ng setup mo lalo sir!

btw, what are the pros and cons of using DC heater over AC? my amp is DC-fed also.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Jun 30, 2004 at 10:42 AM
I now have a modified 300b with DC heaters - galing! parang na turbo charge, better bass and PRAT ;D

thanks to Vintage Dog, Arnoldc and Mickey!  :)

got the new faceplate for the Preamp too  ;D
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VwDWF!0XfhJ*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1oRVACsyVEnEav8oK1oObDj0WT7NSO7Rh8MfbJ1ENMTdq3GXOrO3FBkz*jxK6C6Fs2eEq0*Mq*SSZKU*0n3qRKLqMz6Mp!a6V/Resize%20of%20DSC02102.JPG)

...can fully attest to this...isa ako sa mga saksi kagabi...yan ang tono "integrated amp", hehehehe!...vince, congrats and enjoy...as for me, pag nagpunta ko sa davao tsaka ko dadalhin for the DC heater upgrade para sakto pagbalik ko nasa akin na ulit...

guys, the bass has incredibly improved versus the 1st version...but the 1st version nga OK na eh...

sir mickey, arnoldc and VD, congrats again for this marvelous tweak!
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Jun 30, 2004 at 10:54 AM

ice,

ganda ng patungan mo ng amp and preamp mo.

where did you get that?

lovan ba yung rack?


those are VD's rack, pare...in his new, turbo charged, vitamin enriched music room... :D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Jun 30, 2004 at 11:52 AM
Vrion - cost of parts daw is around P200 (from Mickey) labor cost with their technician is P1,000, but if you know someone who can do it - they can allow that, pls pm vintage dog for details

Julsp168 - sa bahay ni VD yan kagabi, kanya yung rack

Tuff - excerpt from WS by joe3rp, nabasa ko na lang after the mod

Quote from: joe3rp
In my early days of audio/electronics (26 years+) I thought that DC coupling only equated to better low frequency response…but I am now learning in the Audio Forums and readings…it has an effect on the total sound of the amp.  The RC coupling results in a “signature sound” which is probably due to the capacitor residual voltage, linearity or symmetry in voltage charge/discharge speed and initial charge requirement.  These capacitor signatures are the result of the material (conductor, insulation and damping medium) and construction.  Note that some amp designers like this “capacitor signature” tuning capability.  But with DC…it is just a bunch of wires (maybe some coupling resistors)...But wires (resistors) also have their own “signature” sound…just listen to Hyperion’s KONDO cabling!!!! Somewhat like …super conductors! (That is a different story altogether!!! Just go to Darth Hansen Den and listen!).
Quote

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Jun 30, 2004 at 12:19 PM
iceman, the comments of joe3rp has *nothing* to do with DC filament mod. he was talking about direct coupled (DC) and capacitor coupled (which he called RC, in reality it is just capacitor coupling). this is about how the stages are coupled to each other, i.e., driver to power tube section.

DC filament heating and AC filament heating is an altogether a different story.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jun 30, 2004 at 12:42 PM
tono preamp faceplate is p500
tono 300b DC heaters mod - p1200 (labor and parts)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Jun 30, 2004 at 12:45 PM
sir VD...i'll be lining up for the DC heater modification...but no hurry...can i send it directly to sir ed??? thanks! 8)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Jun 30, 2004 at 12:51 PM
thanks to all PinoyDVD folks who came to the Audio Fair last Sunday. 

Hope to see you all again in the next one...  :D

view the pics at wiredstate:



http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3373&start=0



Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: iceman90a on Jun 30, 2004 at 02:10 PM
iceman, the comments of joe3rp has *nothing* to do with DC filament mod. he was talking about direct coupled (DC) and capacitor coupled (which he called RC, in reality it is just capacitor coupling). this is about how the stages are coupled to each other, i.e., driver to power tube section.

DC filament heating and AC filament heating is an altogether a different story.

whoops!!! my bad! just goes to show how much i know about electronics...
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Jun 30, 2004 at 03:16 PM
iceman, the comments of joe3rp has *nothing* to do with DC filament mod. he was talking about direct coupled (DC) and capacitor coupled (which he called RC, in reality it is just capacitor coupling). this is about how the stages are coupled to each other, i.e., driver to power tube section.

DC filament heating and AC filament heating is an altogether a different story.


so what's the story sir arnoldc?
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Jun 30, 2004 at 03:51 PM
tuff, DC heating improves (lessens) hum levels. on some amps using 45, or 2A3, we don't bother with DC heating because the hum level is just 3mV-4mV (my 2A3 is 4mV). my 45 even when connected to high efficiency single driver speakers is dead silent. however, AC heating on 300Bs is a different story. my first incarnation is about 12 mV, i plan to use DC heating on my next version. there are noisy tubes, there are silent tubes.

on preamps, where we amplify millivolts, specially phono stages, DC heating is a must.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Jun 30, 2004 at 04:24 PM
tuff, DC heating improves (lessens) hum levels. on some amps using 45, or 2A3, we don't bother with DC heating because the hum level is just 3mV-4mV (my 2A3 is 4mV). my 45 even when connected to high efficiency single driver speakers is dead silent. however, AC heating on 300Bs is a different story. my first incarnation is about 12 mV, i plan to use DC heating on my next version. there are noisy tubes, there are silent tubes.

on preamps, where we amplify millivolts, specially phono stages, DC heating is a must.

oK thanks sir. wala bang cons ang DC heating sir? why do others still prefer AC heating for their 300b amps?
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Jun 30, 2004 at 07:02 PM
tuff, ac heating is simplest, cheapest to implement. sonically, some swear ac heating is the best. but then again, it's their ears, not mine.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Jul 01, 2004 at 01:57 PM
tuff, ac heating is simplest, cheapest to implement. sonically, some swear ac heating is the best. but then again, it's their ears, not mine.

what you're saying then is you find DC  heating more quiet and easier to manage without sacrificing sonic quality.  :) TY sir!
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Jul 01, 2004 at 02:08 PM
tuff, no i didn't say that. what i'm saying is that DC reduces hum level significatly on some tubes, albeit more expensive (extra parts needed).

i have not made judgement sonically.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Jul 02, 2004 at 06:12 AM
tuff, no i didn't say that. what i'm saying is that DC reduces hum level significatly on some tubes, albeit more expensive (extra parts needed).

i have not made judgement sonically.

fair enough arnoldc. am actually very happy with my DC-heated 300B amp  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: JojoD818 on Jul 02, 2004 at 08:58 AM
master arnoldc,

I see you now use DC for heaters, helps a lot in the hum department doesn't it?

regards,
JojoD
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: arnoldc on Jul 02, 2004 at 10:56 AM
jojo, nope. not my amps yet. even my foreplay is ac heated dead silent ;)

but, i will consider that for my next preamp which is a 56 tube :D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: JojoD818 on Jul 02, 2004 at 12:59 PM
tuff, DC heating improves (lessens) hum levels. on some amps using 45, or 2A3, we don't bother with DC heating because the hum level is just 3mV-4mV (my 2A3 is 4mV). my 45 even when connected to high efficiency single driver speakers is dead silent. however, AC heating on 300Bs is a different story. my first incarnation is about 12 mV, i plan to use DC heating on my next version. there are noisy tubes, there are silent tubes.

on preamps, where we amplify millivolts, specially phono stages, DC heating is a must.

i meant this post.  ;D I agree on the noisy tubes and the silent tubes part.  :D

as always, there is the "audiophile" debate between AC or DC heating... thankfully I'm past that portion already, time to learn other things about tubes though.  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: rossifumi46 on Jul 02, 2004 at 06:17 PM
jojo, nope. not my amps yet. even my foreplay is ac heated dead silent ;)

but, i will consider that for my next preamp which is a 56 tube :D

OT
buti pa si master arnold every month may bagong amp!! >:D at malapit na din pala bagong speaker! >:D
ako rin gusto ko marami toys! pero ayaw na ng bulsa ko! hehehe
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ambel on Jul 12, 2004 at 11:39 PM
If you like a quite 300B SE amp converiting the filament heaters to DC voltage but definetely there would
be a change in sound character. It depends on your taste this is basically subjective but for me i would  go for the purist approach AC heaters there something about AC heating some my call musicality versus the sterile
sound of DC this is my opinion take it with a grain of salt. It's up to you to decide.
AC heated 300B SE amp hums but you need to be careful in implementing the grounding. my experience is basically the shortest grounding path with the input and power ground tied together.I stay away from the
bus bar type grounding and also a no feedback type of input/driver would surely help i also increase the value
hum resistor to 135 ohm.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: FASTBACK on Jul 14, 2004 at 01:14 AM
If you like a quite 300B SE amp converiting the filament heaters to DC voltage but definetely there would
be a change in sound character. It depends on your taste this is basically subjective but for me i would  go for the purist approach AC heaters there something about AC heating some my call musicality versus the sterile
sound of DC this is my opinion take it with a grain of salt. It's up to you to decide.
AC heated 300B SE amp hums but you need to be careful in implementing the grounding. my experience is basically the shortest grounding path with the input and power ground tied together.I stay away from the
bus bar type grounding and also a no feedback type of input/driver would surely help i also increase the value
hum resistor to 135 ohm.

OT

ambel

Finally you've come out in the open this time, not on a lurker mode anymore?
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Oct 07, 2004 at 05:50 PM
Citibank Credit Card and wiredstate.com cordially invite you to experience recorded music at its finest. For the first time feel the emotions beneath the recording format with some of the world’s best High End audio equipment. Join us at the “November HiFi Show” at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel on November 6 and 7 between 10:00am to 9:00pm. On show will be 21 dealers representing various foreign Hi-end equipment, vintage audio, Pinoy DIY, and record vinyl dealers. Also performing live will be the jazz funk band “Radioactive Sago Project”. This event is exclusively for all Citibank Card holders and wiredstate.com members.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: yukon on Oct 08, 2004 at 11:48 AM
yahoo!!!
more power to wiredstate.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Oct 21, 2004 at 07:30 PM
I just got my modded 300B from Rene and it has really improved. I highly recommend it to Tono 300B owners. I even added a little to have the resistors upgraded to riken.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 21, 2004 at 07:38 PM
I just got my modded 300B from Rene and it has really improved. I highly recommend it to Tono 300B owners. I even added a little to have the resistors upgraded to riken.

sir levi,

hope someday sa session madinig ko yan 300B mo.  :) it may be too soon to ask for a review pero congrats on your amp!  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Oct 21, 2004 at 07:45 PM
You should hear it with my new preamp.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Oct 21, 2004 at 08:14 PM
Exhibitors:

AVDI
Hyper Audio
Sound & Images
Listening in Style
Pinoy DIYers
Wiredstate
Home Theatre/DCM
Hifi Plus
Audio Den
Opera Audio
Apple Computer & I-Pod
Mang Johnny Cruz
Architectural Audio
Audio Amplified
Montage & Fully Booked
Ambel Audio
NASA
Upscale Audio
Phasetron
Audio Research
Toyama Enterprise (B&W Speakers)
D-Exchange
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Oct 21, 2004 at 08:16 PM
Quote from: detubo
tentatively this is whats going on;

Saturday:

10 am - Ribbon cutting. guest of honor maestro Eugene Castillo
  2:30 pm - percussion performance by mark escueta of rivermaya, paul zialcita of spy, zach form imago
  4:15 pm - waji wara (jazz band ala Cal Tjader)
   6:00 pm - radioactive sago project (jazz funk and spoken word.  this years winner of MTV's most stylish video.  their witty hit song sometimes back was "baboy" about politics & corruption.  i heard their new album.  is it any good?  well, i bought the album.  may horn section to bro!

right now things are still very fluid so expects changes as we approach D-day.  i'll try to arrange special audiophile specific activities too like different super cartridges on demo for sunday (maybe a Dynavector XV-1s,  Koetsu Onyx platyinum and Clearaudio insider Reference)

pm me if you have any suggestion or you would like to volunteer for any activity.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: mcbry on Oct 21, 2004 at 08:40 PM
two more weeks to go  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Oct 21, 2004 at 08:50 PM
Admission absolutely free for:

1.  All Citibank card holders
2.  Wiredstate members (register at www.wiredstate.com)

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 21, 2004 at 09:07 PM
You should hear it with my new preamp.

wowow! ano bago mo preamp sir?
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Oct 21, 2004 at 09:42 PM
Old model na CJ. matches well with the tono 300B. Attend ako sa audio fair baka may mahanap pa na mabili.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 21, 2004 at 09:47 PM
Old model na CJ. matches well with the tono 300B. Attend ako sa audio fair baka may mahanap pa na mabili.

must hear nga yan  ;D

see you there!
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Oct 21, 2004 at 10:00 PM
Medyo OT na tayo but I will invite you guys next time. I want to compare also the Tono with other amps baka mali mali na mga kalokohan kong pinagbibili. hehehe
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 22, 2004 at 01:08 AM
Medyo OT na tayo but I will invite you guys next time. I want to compare also the Tono with other amps baka mali mali na mga kalokohan kong pinagbibili. hehehe

ok naman sir yun kinalolokohan natin, mga audio gears and related stuff.  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Oct 22, 2004 at 10:39 AM
for any info on the forthcoming Hifi Show, please go to:

http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=55
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: mcbry on Oct 22, 2004 at 01:32 PM
sir,

i'm just wondering, will there be a 0% interest promo for citibank during the hifi show?

thanks,
 :)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 05, 2004 at 02:44 AM
Check out the new Tono products. Attend the Audio fair.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 05, 2004 at 08:02 AM

(http://img91.exs.cx/img91/7210/posterforwiredstate.jpg)
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 06, 2004 at 03:09 AM
Band Schedule (HiFi Show)

Saturday, November 6

1:00 PM - 1:45 PM DRIP www.dripscience.com

2:00 PM - 2:30 PM flipperbaby at Architectural Audio Room

2:45 PM -3:30 PM Garlic (Francis Reyes, our very own Zach, Louie Talan) Jazz Trio

4:30 PM - 5:15 PM wajiwara

6:15 PM - 7:00 PM Radioactive Sago Project
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: T-Rex on Nov 07, 2004 at 08:46 AM
Captions to follow. Better yet just go and see the show!!!

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Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 07, 2004 at 10:40 AM
Nice pics T-Rex, those 1kW MF amps really stand out.  ;D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 08, 2004 at 10:24 AM
Thanks to all PinoDVD guys who made it to the fair!

and thanks to all for the overwhelming reception to our Tono personal...

(now, more folks know that it's not just looks that matter in audio)  ;D

from data we gathered and orders for the amp, this is probably one of the best sellers at the fair!

maraming maraming salamat!

all Tono designs are made (not copied from the net or magazine, books) by the DIY guys at Wiredstate, assembled , tweaked, tuned by the ears at Wiredstate!  proudly pinoy!
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 08, 2004 at 10:27 AM
more discussions and pics on the event of the year at:

http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=55
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Control on Nov 08, 2004 at 10:28 AM
more discussions and pics on the event of the year at:

http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=55

Sir Vintage..nice to meet you Sir.....
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 08, 2004 at 12:36 PM
Thanks to all PinoDVD guys who made it to the fair!

and thanks to all for the overwhelming reception to our Tono personal...

(now, more folks know that it's not just looks that matter in audio)  ;D

from data we gathered and orders for the amp, this is probably one of the best sellers at the fair!

maraming maraming salamat!





all Tono designs are made (not copied from the net or magazine, books) by the DIY guys at Wiredstate, assembled , tweaked, tuned by the ears at Wiredstate!  proudly pinoy!


Congrats Sir Vintage Dog!!..
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Nov 08, 2004 at 12:54 PM
congrats again to the WS team! :D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kimosabe on Nov 09, 2004 at 02:09 PM
Congrats to the WS group for the job well done. I know that I can't afford all those equipment at the show  :( but at least I experience sonic nirvana even for a short period of time  ;D. Thanks guys more power.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 09, 2004 at 10:16 PM
Congrats to the WS team. I hope you can attend our Xmas EB and enjoy the party.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 10, 2004 at 10:46 AM
First major shipment of Tono has been confirmed today to USA!

Charlie Kittleson (VTV) has a Tono amp and preamp!

Next VTV (Vacuum Tube Valley) magazine issue reviews Tono!

Tono displayed (static) at the Colorado Hifi Show!

another breakthrough news: arrangements are being made by our USA contact in getting a table at the CES show in Las Vegas (Jack of Electro Print has offered some tables).

CES Las Vegas, here we go!!

Proudly Pinoy!  Proudly designed and made by the fanatics at Wiredstate!

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 10, 2004 at 11:14 AM
a small beauty that made it big at the recent Hifi Show...

minimalist design, true to the music...

(http://img84.exs.cx/img84/1219/SF_WS_Tono807_amp.jpg)

all Tono products are designed and made by the fanatics at Wiredstate!  proudly Pinoy!
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: levi on Nov 10, 2004 at 04:37 PM
congrats. what model are they reviewing?
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: vintage_dog on Nov 10, 2004 at 05:43 PM
congrats. what model are they reviewing?

the next issue of VTV will feature the 12AU7 tubes, so they will review the Tono preamp; hopefully also the Tono 300b amp!
thanks
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: kid on Nov 10, 2004 at 05:59 PM
that's a very nice amp though i did'nt hear it but i'm sure it can rock!!!

Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: ianmorales on Aug 21, 2005 at 11:43 PM
sirs, san ba tayo maka bili ng tono amp? and how much. heres my number 09198087892 send me sms regarding this matter.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Aug 29, 2005 at 03:44 PM
hi guys!

the WS website was hacked this morning so we won't be able to access until further notice...announcement will folow if website is already A-OK, thanks! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: jcob on Aug 29, 2005 at 03:57 PM
hi guys!

the WS website was hacked this morning so we won't be able to access until further notice...announcement will folow if website is already A-OK, thanks! :D :D :D

Kala ko yung PC ko ang may problema o na hacked. Kanina ko pa gusto magtanong dito.

Thanks superman, hope they'll be able to fix it soon.
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: V_D on Aug 30, 2005 at 10:53 AM
www.wiredstate.com was recently hit by a virus that is targetting phpbb type bulletin boards.  there have been hundreds of similar sites attacked worldwide.

we are working at restoring the database and upgrading to the latest version of phpbb which should help prevent further attacks.

you may check here for status:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wiredstate/

thanks
Title: Re: Wiredstate Projects
Post by: Superman on Aug 31, 2005 at 04:35 PM
GOOD NEWS...

www.wiredstate.com is now up and running...you may now log in, thanks! :D