Anyone tried the wiredstate DIY? I bought the preamp and I am very happy with it. Good build quality and clean sounding. It has premium parts and warranty but the price is very affordable. It needs 100hrs of break-in but Im already enjoying it, what more after break-in.If you are looking for a preamp check this out.
Here are some pics.
Sir Levi,
How much did you buy wiredstate pream? Pa pm n lng if possible...Thanks.... :D :D :D
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Bought one too and paired it with my SS Musical Fidelity power amps. So far my impression is that more detailed ito compared with my MF preamp. Very sweet yung effect on say saxophone and you have to exerience the improvement on a guitar solo. Ang galeng :D
So now i have a hybrid pure audio and enjoying it. For the price, very highly recommended ;D
Ganda!!! is it possible to connect it to a AVr??? para hybrid hehehehe
P 8,250 for the first batch. If you are interested I suggest you order now before they increase their price.
Contact Arnoldc or vintage dog.
Ganda!!! is it possible to connect it to a AVr??? para hybrid hehehehe
??? Mukhang di yata pwede sa receeiver ko (Marantz 4300)
don't despair, we'll check out how to hook-up using the tape-in/tape-out. all receivers would have that...
don't despair, we'll check out how to hook-up using the tape-in/tape-out. all receivers would have that...
superman,
Pre order na hehehe para ma audition din namin hehehehe.. ;D
that's great, sir V_D!...even the offer :o, wala ka na mahahanap sa iba...will definintely get one this weekend... sana nga avaialble saturday afternoon para i can enjoy it kaagad (although no rush naman)...will just get in touch with you...thanks again, sir! 8)
congrats in advanced!!!! ;D
wag muna, baka maunsiyami...sana umabot...thanks guys!...in the event na di umabot, i've asked a fellow member to bring his preamp...thanks again! ;D
if you are having a listening session, suggest you use a preamp that has had several hours of break-in...the preamp can be left on non-stop with a signal passing through it but with the amp off...
if you are having a listening session, suggest you use a preamp that has had several hours of break-in...the preamp can be left on non-stop with a signal passing through it but with the amp off...
??? Mukhang di yata pwede sa receeiver ko (Marantz 4300)
btw sir...since you're suggesting that the pre-amp can be turned on while the amp is off, how about the source??? does it have to be turned on also??? thanks! :D
ako na marantz sr4300----pwede ka yan yung sa 6.1 in? ???.....pero sa left and right channels ko lang ipapasok ::).....sir vintage?
the source provides the signal, so if off, no signal will pass through to break-in the preamp...
best is to use rock or any dynamic cd running in repeat mode. make sure that the system produces the music first, then turn off the amp (only)...idea is you can keep the system running without disturbing your household overnight :)
check you solid state amps for direct input (or power amp input) some receivers have these feature.
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to all those with receivers,
sorry, unless your receiver has the 'amp in' or 'power in' inputs, you can't use the preamp. one easy way to find out is check at the back of your receiver if there is a pair of jumper wires that goes from one rca jack to another.
if yes, just remove the jumber wires and connect the preamp out into the rca jacks...
i'll be getting the ws preamp tom. i'll test it with a nad amp first while waiting for my tube amp ;D
Lets have a listening session. Curious ako with SS amps with our preamp. I can bring mine also.
i'll be getting the ws preamp tom. i'll test it with a nad amp first while waiting for my tube amp ;D
if you guys are having a listening session using this preamp, please use the one which has been used or burned-in at least 20 hours...they get better in time and will sound best with at least 100 hours...
one other bonus using this preamp is that you can try out dozens of different tubes (of different makes/brands) and get a slightly different sonic character...that is what is meant by "tube rolling"...experimenting with different tubes and enjoying the sound...just like trying out different wines, each one giving a different flavor and experience!
enjoy!
Sir Francis,
Will the WS preamp match with my HK receiver??
so guys, how did the preamp match with your receivers? how did the musical presentation go? ???
What other tubes do you recommend and do you know anyone selling? May mullard ba na 12au?yes, mullard 12au7s are very musical tubes!
we are extremely pleased and proud of the reception and feedback on our pinoy-made preamp! we have sold 25 units in only 1 week since we made the preamps available.
we are only selling 20 more before december 15 while still maintaining the same very low price...
maraming salamat! mabuhay ang pinoy!
yes, mullard 12au7s are very musical tubes!
with you being our first customer, you will get a pair of vintage 12au7s from my personal collection sometime december as a christmas gift ;D
for now, enjoy the music...and did you notice, suddenly your CDs are sounding much more enjoyable...
things get even better....and more sleepless nights!
superman just dropped by to get his unit 11:15pm and listened awhile to his preamp hooked to a 3wpc amp driving my voigts...i've never heard so much slam and dynamics coming from my 2a3 amp....awesome !
;D
superman just dropped by to get his unit 11:15pm and listened awhile to his preamp hooked to a 3wpc amp driving my voigts...i've never heard so much slam and dynamics coming from my 2a3 amp....awesome !
;D
superman,
congrats pre! soon ill be hearing your new toy. ill be having one too. ;D
wow. i want one !! now if only i had some moolah =/
for now, enjoy the music...and did you notice, suddenly your CDs are sounding much more enjoyable...
things get even better....and more sleepless nights!
For guys curious if the WS preamp can work with a receiver with an amp in, yes it does! Just got mine today and tested the preamp by connecting it to the main in of my nadt752. I can go louder with the preamp hooked in as at 12 o' clock position it goes real loud...and cleaner, seems like the amp is hindered if you use the receivers volume control. and the preamp is just barely broken in ;D
HEY GUYS!
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all EXCELLENT results...plus one very good news...i think there is a "alternative solution" for the WS preamp to work with receivers like HK2550 and Marantz SR4300...again, iceman will do the explaning, hehehehe!
overall, the preamp ROCKS!...really a best buy...guys, just a reminder...the limited offer of Php8,250.00 will be applicable only to the next available 15 units...afterwards, price will increase to US$200.00...ORDER NA! ;D
more reviews to follow c/o iceman90a, akyatbundok, james16, hans adriane and the rest of the guys...
thanks! ;D
geko, where are you? ;D
your wirestate preamp is now in my office, pick it up before someone else does :D ;D
congrats to the wiredstate crew for producing a winner. question guys, which model of receivers have a direct power amp in?? i heard in the session that hans adriane's HK 5500 have it. are there other receiver brands/models out there that can be used? thanks!
This could be a more affordable option if avr owners want to have their current set sound like tube in audio.
Marantz SR4300 have no "amp in", so how can we, owners of SR4300, be able to use the WS preamp? :)
How does HK5500 sound with WS preamp?
here is how:
1. plug cd player in pre-amp
2. connect pre-amp to CD "in" via analog
3. for Marantz - enable "Source direct" , for HK choose "Tone Out"
- this kills pre-amp section of the receiver, and the amp section will only get the "unchanged" signal from the input connections
for volume setting, you can either:
1. max out the volume knob on the Pre-amp
2. control volume via remote on the receiver
*** this is what i plan to do, but don't know the effect on the lifespan of the tube, paging ArnoldC - your advise please***
or
1. Set your receiver to 0dB (at your reference volume - i use 80 dB)
2. Control volume via the WS pre-amp knob
additional disclaimer - since the signal will not go directly to the amp section (although pre-amp is disabled) there is still the chance of the signal being modified, hence use of a pure amplifier will still be recommended
BUT until you do get an amp (tube/SS) this will work, and enable you to enjoy tube sound while you save up ;)
here is how:
1. plug cd player in pre-amp
2. connect pre-amp to CD "in" via analog
3. for Marantz - enable "Source direct" , for HK choose "Tone Out"
- this kills pre-amp section of the receiver, and the amp section will only get the "unchanged" signal from the input connections
for volume setting, you can either:
1. max out the volume knob on the Pre-amp
2. control volume via remote on the receiver
*** this is what i plan to do, but don't know the effect on the lifespan of the tube, paging ArnoldC - your advise please***
or
1. Set your receiver to 0dB (at your reference volume - i use 80 dB)
2. Control volume via the WS pre-amp knob
additional disclaimer - since the signal will not go directly to the amp section (although pre-amp is disabled) there is still the chance of the signal being modified, hence use of a pure amplifier will still be recommended
BUT until you do get an amp (tube/SS) this will work, and enable you to enjoy tube sound while you save up ;)
s2kov, we didnt have the hk5500 in the listening session but he told me that his hk5500 has amp in. lucky guy, the WS preamp becomes a simple add-on upgrade.
Iceman90a,
Do i still need to set my receiver (HK) to tone out even i have the amp input?
jvm - i don't think may mahihiraman ka ng WS pre-amp, puro "over my dead body" siguro ang sagot na madidinig mo ;)
iceman90a,
ganda ng set-up mo din.... di ba ibebenta??? heheheh
it's not all about being technically knowledgable on how everything works ;)
I thought so ;D. I think they rather be separated from their GF/wife for a while rather than from their new WS preamp ;D
I hope they extend the special price until January, so if ever there will be leftover from my bonus and hopefully tax refund, I will be able to get one. ;D
Listening session na lang ulit para marinig ang effect sa different amps, lalo na yong wala pang pambili tulad ko. :D
all of you guys (shown in the picture) are guaranteed the same price anytime you buy them...kahit na nag-increase na para sa iba...
actually may magandang sinabi si Sir Vintage:ang problema - wala si jvm sa picture dahil naka alis na sya ng mag kodakan, ako naman wala - kasi ako kumukuha ng picture :'( :'(
will try to ask V_D kung pwede i-stretch yung installment offer...thanks! 8)
tama!...and remember, the red wine, di nabuksan...piyesta kami ni superdad niyan, hahaha!...joke lang...so, bro. yukon, your assignment next time is to bring cork screw...hehehehe! 8)
sir V_D,
Sir any news on my order?? saw at wiredstate that friday pa sir ready??
Thanks
*** this is what i plan to do, but don't know the effect on the lifespan of the tube, paging ArnoldC - your advise please***tube life will not be affected by this setup.
hey guys, we're going to have a listening session this saturday in ortigas. will test the WS preamp on various ss amps. its probably the easiest way to go into tubes -- use your existing amp ala hybrid. then later on just add a tube power amp. we'll see if its possible to use on a receiver... we can compare using a power amp and an integrated amp with amp-in.
narayan will bring his WS tube preamp & MF ss preamp -- ala barrera vs pacuiao!! in this corner.... PAK-YEAOWWW... like they say about pac-man, a star is born. sensya na mga bro medyo masikip sa place ko only 5 guys at a time can really listen properly. palit-palit na lang.
nga pala sir vintage_dog, do you have a name for it already?
okay, here's a one-time offer only for those who will book in November:
3-gives (para akong bumbay nito ah!)
P3,500 upon reservation up to November 30
P2,500 by December 15
P2,500 by January 15
post-dated checks required...
hehehe...
let me correct that then:
all those present in superman's den will be extended that offer!
;D
I also have some suggestion about the name:
WS P1022-TB
WS-Wired State
P-preamp
1022-Nov22 nang "ma-discover" sa listening session
TB-tubong bastos ;D
eh di dapat 1122?
peace kabayan :)
hey guys, we're going to have a listening session this saturday in ortigas. will test the WS preamp on various ss amps. its probably the easiest way to go into tubes -- use your existing amp ala hybrid. then later on just add a tube power amp. we'll see if its possible to use on a receiver... we can compare using a power amp and an integrated amp with amp-in.
narayan will bring his WS tube preamp & MF ss preamp -- ala barrera vs pacquiao!! in this corner.... PAK-YEAOWWW... like they say about pac-man, a star is born. small/lightweight but packs a wallop. sensya na mga bro medyo masikip sa place ko only 5 guys at a time can really listen properly. palit-palit na lang.
jvm, after lunch. hintayin natin si narayan kasi nasa kanya yung preamp. pm me pre.
Vintage_Dog,
Kasama ako don, wala lang sa picture :).
So that means the original price is offered to us anytime :D? Thank you very much.
Do I have to line up now? Or should I do it when I'm all ready to buy? I have no budget allocated yet as of today ;D and still hoping by January :-\.
name the preamp...
1. Tubong Maginoo (superman)
2. Landi (v_d)
3. XXX (arnoldc)
4. tubong mapagbigay (iceman90a)
5.
6.
Akyat,
James16 plan ata to bring along his HK3550 and B2 sa listening session.. so pwede natin hook up sa WS preamp.. and hear the difference will try cguro the CD in route since wla ata main in..
Paging james16 ano sundo na ba kita... hehehe
how about... tubong oongi !!
ano nga ba ibig sabihin nyan, paging ser tamulmol.. tulong po... hehe. ;D ;D
pssst...hala ka...lagot ka...baka magalit 8)
Akyat,
James16 plan ata to bring along his HK3550 and B2 sa listening session.. so pwede natin hook up sa WS preamp.. and hear the difference will try cguro the CD in route since wla ata main in..
Paging james16 ano sundo na ba kita... hehehe
ThubATUBES :o ;D 8) ::)
busy yata masyado Sir,
ako na lang dadaan... :)
ako hindi busy. ;D
di na dapat pinapatagal yan.....ako nalang kaya :)
calling geko! calling geko!
tube life will not be affected by this setup.
this method (which is the only option) could be prone to impedance matching. so you have to find out if full volume on the preamp is better sounding compared to full volume on the amp.
the output impedance of the preamp is 2.5Kohms.
to those who missed the manual, please send me an email at [email protected] and i'll reply back with a manual in MS Office Word format.
okay, here's a one-time offer only for those who will book in November:
3-gives (para akong bumbay nito ah!)
P3,500 upon reservation up to November 30
P2,500 by December 15
P2,500 by January 15
post-dated checks required...
Sir V_D,
Please consider me for this offer. I am interested to avail of this payment scheme.... :D :D :D
Maganda to ah!!! You've been very helpful for all members....
Thanks.... :) :) :)
AYOS! kasama pa ba ako dito Sir? (please)
kailan ho ang bigay ng cheke? upon pick-up? sana sa Alabang pick-up point ko Sir, also i requested no input selector switch - instead 2 output connections from 1 source
MARAMING SALAMAT :)
hey guys, we're going to have a listening session this saturday in ortigas. will test the WS preamp on various ss amps.
nga pala sir vintage_dog, do you have a name for it already?
...
ok
sirs
I wanna buy this wiredstate amp to connect to my receiver, I would like use a separate amp for audio, but the problem is I dunno how to do it
how will I connect the amp to my receiver?
what about the speakers, will they still stay connected to the receiver or do I have to transfer to the amp if I wanna use the amp?
many thanks
thanks a heap, V_D!...
guys, look at those vintage amps...now you know why francis chose the name Vintage_Dog...anyway, as of this evening, the following have confirmed their attendance thru SMS at V_D's abode (November 25, 2003 - 8:00pm):
1) superman
2) iceman90a
3) yukon
4) geko
5) aeioun
6) james16 (tama nga ba, bro?)
for the others, please make sure to confirm tomorrow afternoon if you're coming over...you may send me an SMS 0918-9284868...we can probably meet at starbucks madrigal avenue (beside HSBC, Frank Provost and Metrobank)...meeting time is 7:45pm to 8:00pm...for those na susunod na lang, send me an SMS for directions...
...this is a wonderful opportunity to experience what we now call an AUDIO PHENOMENON! ;D
...thanks again! see you tomorrow! 8)
BTW, one of the objectives of the session is to be able to test the preamp in A/V receivers, specifically the Harman Kardon 2550 (thanks iceman90a!)...we hope to post more good news after the session... 8)
break; transfer venue to my listening room upstairs...
4. listen to consonance tube cd player - > ws preamp -> 300b SET amp -> brines fostex speakers
5. try out ws preamp-receiver driving the brines-fostex, then use either sonus faber concerto or the spendor s3/5
6. try out other amps - eico monoblocks, dynaco, 45 SET amps if desired ;D
our listening schedule for tonight:
1. listen to iceman90a's receiver using sony SACD player without the preamp driving the 6" voigts in my living room...
2. hook-up WS preamp to receiver..., listen, evaluate
3. listen to same system but using preamp + japanese 2a3 amp
break; transfer venue to my listening room upstairs...
4. listen to consonance tube cd player - > ws preamp -> 300b SET amp -> brines fostex speakers
5. try out ws preamp-receiver driving the brines-fostex, then use either sonus faber concerto or the spendor s3/5
6. try out other amps - eico monoblocks, dynaco, 45 SET amps if desired ;D
our listening schedule for tonight:
1. listen to iceman90a's receiver using sony SACD player without the preamp driving the 6" voigts in my living room...
2. hook-up WS preamp to receiver..., listen, evaluate
3. listen to same system but using preamp + japanese 2a3 amp
break; transfer venue to my listening room upstairs...
4. listen to consonance tube cd player - > ws preamp -> 300b SET amp -> brines fostex speakers
5. try out ws preamp-receiver driving the brines-fostex, then use either sonus faber concerto or the spendor s3/5
6. try out other amps - eico monoblocks, dynaco, 45 SET amps if desired ;D
mmmmm....looks like i am left with no choice but to attend the session tonight. ???
great, bro...you're IN! 8)
yes bro...count me in. ;)
ill bring bio-data narin baka naghahanap si sir vd ng househelper/security guard to take care of his gears. kahit isang amp lang isang taon ang bayad sakin. ;D
naku sir sayang hindi ako makakapunta... ang gaganda ng gears!! i'm especially curious about that beautiful black piano finish tower speaker with the tiny woofer in the middle. if thats what i think it is (ike's legendary voigt??), oohh man... i read at wiredstate that it can go really loooow, as in lower than most subs can handle.
first of all Sir, thank you very much for this opportunity.
second - kapalan ko na mukha ko, can we insert between #2 & #3 , trial using my Monitor Audio B2 speakers?
Thanks!
Superman,
wowow sayang... love to come sana... :'( :'( problema have a client to meet.. tonight..
Feedback na lang sir..
none i'm afraid. sigue, will just see you there.try to leave by 5:30...better to assume na heavy traffic...you can pass by the skyway...pero di ko sagot toll fee, hehehe! 8)
ano oras magandang umalis coming from makati? traffic kaya south expressway?
Can you pls post the dimensions of the preamp, including total height plus tubes. thanks.
those near the alabang area and interested to listen to the WS preamp and my other audio gear are free to join the session on tuesday 11/25, 8pm...
First of all, thank you very much to our host Sir Francis (Vintage dog) :)
that is one memorable experience, one I am very glad that I did not miss...
The Voigt's were AWESOME!!! and what a way to listen... with the creator standing right beside you, explaining the theory and principles behind the design - in a language you can easily understand ;D
feedback naman sa ibang listeners hehehe...
James,
Hopefully this afternoon sir...
superman,
sir very nice review..hehehehe
nice review superman... hopefully i can also get one WS preamp as a buddy to my HK/B2 combo.. :D ;D
Superman,
Maybe you can also post your review on the WS-Marantz4300 combo that you tried?
Thanx. :)
pre kung bitin ka sa listening session, pwede natin madala yung pre-amp ko sa inyo, para "Home audition" ang dating :)
Iceman,
Sige sir i'll try it as soon as i got the preamp.. so better pa yun CD in?? at least no problem pag select ng function.
if you will connect the cd output directly to the amp in of the hk, the volume control will not work anymore. the hk5500 is like the "separates" only housed in a single chassis.
if you will connect the cd output directly to the amp in of the hk, the volume control will not work anymore. the hk5500 is like the "separates" only housed in a single chassis.
TO THE SATURDAY CLUB...
good luck on your WS tube preamp adventure...enjoy the listening session...by the way, sir V_D mentioned to us that sir arnoldc might be joining you??? that's great, free lecture yan i'm sure...
i've got a very hectic sked this saturday and i guess i won't be able to join you (sayang, makikikain pa naman ako...sa food share ko, hans, please take charge ;D)...
please post your findings kaagad...thanks again and enjoy! ;D
Sir Clark, pwede ba sumama dyan?
Kung pwede where and what time ba?
b) Wiredstate Interconnect (terminated with Eichmann Bullet Plugs) P2,500
Hi Arnold, is this the teflon coated silver braid?ganjaman, this is the teflon insulated copper braid (warmer than silver).
Hi to all, just like to ask if I can still join you guys ::). May space pa po ba, matagal ko na kasing sinusundan itong mga usapan ninyo sa WS preamp et al. Medyo inclined na nga ho ako to upgrade to tube :P kaya lang gusto ko sana maka-audition yang WS preamp along with the SS equipment.
Thanks ;D
Zephyr
Architectural Audio appointed official Wiredstate Outlet
Starting Monday, December 1, Architectural Audio will stock the following:
a) Wiredstate Preamplifier P8,250
b) Wiredstate Interconnect (terminated with Eichmann Bullet Plugs) P2,500
Please note that ALL Wiredstate products will be available ONLY at Architectural Audio until further notice.
Zephyr, kung ok lang sayo ang masikip na listening area, ok lang din samin hehe. sent u pm!
julsp168 should be able to tell you about this combination after he hears it tonight. he will be the first to hear the TB 2A3i (version 2 of tubong bastos) + Infinity Kappa 200 and Spendor S3/5.
sir, meaning i can buy the preamp on monday?
VD i also want to get 1 unit of the WS preamp.my brother will make the transaction on my behalf. Due to job related circumstances my vacation has to be postponed until april next year. a friend will bring this preamp back here in saudi. many pinoy here wants to hear the pre amp. some hifi shops owners here also are curious to how a pinoy made audio gear sound! they say if its good, commercial aspect of WS gears can be discussed later on. my friend will be coming back by the first week of jan. i hope it will ready by then.
pls pm me for your contact number
thanks VD, if my brother can pick it up by dec 7 the better maybe some other friend may be coming back here earlier
the december 7 batch will use a thicker chassis...we will make sure there is at least 1 unit available for you guys!
be proud! pinoy yata ito!
Muttley,
We have a few units at ArchAudio but they are for those who reserved earlier. You may pick-up your unit on Friday or Saturday next week.
Anyone verified the first test i performed if you encounter the same result?
sir vd, pwede ba sa alabang ko pick-up. kung pwede i -arrange dun san at wat time?
hi s2kov, yes we encountered the same result. some of us think the distorted sound comes from the CD input of the receiver maxing out due to the increased signal. i'm not sure but this probably has something to do with the maximum input sensitivity specs of the amp... mga sensei, help?! the safest volume level we found was at 12'oclock. we tried the CD-in on 3 different amps: the HK, marantz and sansui. the sansui can handle the max volume of the WS preamp without distorting. the HK about 1'oclock and the marantz about 2'oclock.
this is also source-dependent as sir mickey explained to us. if you are playing a CD with already strong signal, chances are a high input gain resulting from max vol level on the preamp will max out the CD-in of the receiver. but when you are playing say a Chesky CD which has a lower signal level, you can probably set the WS preamp vol to max without distorting your amp.
safest bet is still 12'oclock unless your amp has unusually high tolerance.
(dated September 14)
Reserve your Wiredstate Tube Preamp (WTP):
Introductory price of $150 only (30-45 days delivery, assembled units only)
for first 10 units only
Regular local price at $200-300
for next 10 units
Export regular price: $300-400
Hurry!
hehehe...
let me correct that then:
all those present in superman's den will be extended that offer!
;D
Shown below is the original announcement dated September 14 at wiredstate.com on the pricing for the preamp. The p8,250 was a very special introductory price only for the first 10 units.
As you know, we maintained the same price up to 38 units all with NOS tubes.
Much as we would want to please everybody, we are so sorry that we have to increase it to p9,150, which is still below the amount we had planned before ($200). Note the new price is only $165 or 10% higher than the special $150.
Even at $165, expect this to last only this December. We may go to the regular price of $200 after selling about 15-20 units.
Thanks so much for your understanding...
daig talaga ng maagap ang masikap :) it's a good thing i was able to order earlier :)
i do understand though that this price increase is not a marketing tool because of the success of the amp, but rather a simple lesson in supply and demand...
even so - it would be very hard if not impossible to get another preamp/black box that would have the same sonic effect on your music using your existing gear ;D
- iceman90a po WS preamp user ;D
so, congratulations to the 38!
i will honor this commitment.
send me a text message 0917-621-5056 to confirm your interest asap please.
the setup: MS & MA speakers
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the master: sir mickey!
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the fans: the rowdy MA-MS owners
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Now, my question, and may also be the question by the "usis" at Superman's Place, can we still get the unit at the price of 8k+ even though you have said in earlier posts that price will be climbing to 9k+ especially after the 38th buyer?
Cheers Pinoydiophiles.
Sir, VD,
Sent you SMS. thanks.
Symon/Lester
Akyatbundok,
To avoid clipping of the signal going into the CD in, you can turn the volume control of the preamp to 1030 assuming 6'olock is zero volume. The gain is 1 at 1030.
Mickey
Akyatbundok,
To avoid clipping of the signal going into the CD in, you can turn the volume control of the preamp to 1030 assuming 6'olock is zero volume. The gain is 1 at 1030.
Mickey
saan ka dito?
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sir mickey, sir vintage_dog...
hi!... 8)
will this be also the ideal setting for, let's say the TB2A3 SET amp with volume control???...set the pre-amp at 12 o'clock then "timpla" with the use of the TB2A3's volume control or set the volume control of the TB2A3 to max then "timpla" with the pre-amp volume control??? which is better??? thanks! 8)
superman 8)
for the JE2a3 with volume control, set this to max and control volume via the preamp
judges:
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L-R (standing) - superdad, superman, j_albert, akyatbundok, hans , james16, nels76
seated - yukon, julsp168
naka alis agad si jvm eh
second shot of judges
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the new guy in the middle is symon
S2kov,
I haven't really compared it so its hard to say which is better. The gain of the preamp is 20db.
Mickey
6pm yesterday (Saturday) and I only had 1 hour left from WOW Philippines (Intramuros) to Arch Audio. Had to beat time and traffic going to New World Hotel last night to get my reserved WS PreAmp. Muntik-muntikan na kaming mabangga kamamadali ko. whew...
As always, Nico and Epoy still have their never ending courteousness to clients. With all honesty (kaiyak naman to), more power sa inyo Arch Audio!!!
I immediately fired-up the preamp when we got home and oooohhhhhhhhh!!!
My commander-in-chief right there and then commented, "wow, gumanda ah!". Prerogatively, if it's a comment from a female - you do have to take note... scientifically, they've got better hearing than us guys. Reason why they hear a lot of things in the night that we guys don't - kaya sinasabi ng mga lalake sa pelikula... "ano ka ba... wala naman e, tulog ka na", yon pala may kumakaskas nga sa pintuan. Now it's scary... OT tuloy.
Well, am spending the whole day today listening (and breaking in) my preamp - it's only the 17th hour pero my golly wow!, you can almost spell out every single word from the vocalists - sa sobrang detalye - yap, no joke on this one. Highs, Mids, and Lows were like cranked up when using this preamp... no not the volume, i mean the focus... as I have mentioned on one of the X10d thread - "it propagates into your inner senses". So much detail you won't get using just your tube amps or receivers.
Tried Trio Esperanca, Nat King Cole, Trio Los Panchos, Laura Fygi, Peter Cetera, APO Hiking, Lodwick, Kenny G., Audiophile Reference 1, Audiophile Test CD 2002, Rod Stewart, Buble, Jose Feliciano, Bob Marley, Perez Prado, Jungle Bells, Jacintha's Here's to Ben, Milli Vanilli, Information Society, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Soul Rose, Snow Rose, Anna Caram, Frank Sinatra, Anne Murray, Guitarra Vol.1, Starbucks, Enoch Light, Bocelli, etc. etc... - virtually all genre's i have, yes pati Max Surban... ayaw paawat ng WS Preamp, it's just not tiring, so the list goes on.
By the way, I don't know if it's me trying (hard) to really hear the difference or talagang nakahain lang sa yo ang music nang parang nahimay na... you will notice this on any of your CDs that's got a track where all instruments tend to blend together because they are being played simultaneously - - dito sa preamp, even if they are altogether being played, you will still hear every instrument's sound - not to forget, it tames your harsh music.
Take it from those who have reviewed this Preamp earlier, lalo na sa mga nagma-may-ari na ngayon - the WS Preamp squeezes out so much juice from your player.... an Audio Phenomenon indeed!
Thanks sir.... :D :D :DTheoretically speaking sir, does it normal to have and use double preamp stage?
ideally, you only need one preamp. some integrated amps however have passive preamps so it is okay to have them in series. for others (like receivers without amp in), you need to experiment, just like what was done in the last 2 sessions.
okay. completo na yata. did i miss anyone?
superman - done
j_albert - on order
akyatbundok - on order
hans - done
james16 - on order
nels76 - on order
yukon - done
julsp168 - done
symon - on order
bros,
is this compatible with all brands and models of receivers? what are the technical requirements that the receiver must have to enjoy maximum benefits from the preamp? m using the pioneer vsx-d811ss pwede kaya ITo mga bros?-- thnks
Akyatbundok,
To avoid clipping of the signal going into the CD in, you can turn the volume control of the preamp to 1030 assuming 6'olock is zero volume. The gain is 1 at 1030.
Mickey
6 new orders (from the guys at superman's den) received under the original agreement.
2 new orders with new chassis confirmed
2 more subject to confirmation...
that's 10 plus 8 pa or 18 total!
hindi na matutulog yung technician namin! :)
8)
ws piano and ws violin yan bro. kailangan mo lang ng talent to operate them. ;D
hulaan ko.................WS Preamp in 'tune' ang susunod. ;)
pwede sa lahat na try na namin with different amp(sansui,FASE,kenwood, maranzt,Harman kardon)ok naman try mo this connection CD----WS preamp----CD in of your reciever.....tapos set to 12'oclock volume nang preamp .......that it enjoy listening na ;D ;D mabuhay wiredstate team
Sir vd,
Again, thanks for coming up with a preamp project like this. i havent enjoyed music that much till the day i got my ws preamp. It matches well with my TB2a3.
Congrats!
josko!! ang lakas ng pressure ng mga ganitong comments-- :'(
among those present that night Sir, si jvm na lang ang wala sa listahan nyo...
uh oh... ano na naman kaya ang ilalabas ng Wiredstate???
patay ???
and one by one - all who were present on that day succumbed to the dreaded SARS disease....
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and one by one - all who were present on that day succumbed to the dreaded SARS disease....
Buti nalang hindi ako puwede nung listening session! ahahahah.... ;D ;D ;D
Ano kaya regalo ko sa sarili ko ngayong pasko?
mmmhhh look like wiredstate team is cooking something again.... naku po.. :)
I have an integrated amplifier, it has no "amp in". It has a connection for equalizer (left & right - in & out). I have no equalizer, when my setup is playing and I turn the equalizer setting to on position there is no sound and when I turn it off there is sound again. I guess when the equalizer setting is on, the connection of preamp and main amp of my integrated is cut to put the equalizer in between? So is it possible to turn on the equalizer setting, use the equalizer out of my integrated to connect a preamp?
the equalizer in/out is similar to a tape in/out. you can experiment putting the preamp in between with volume (of the preamp) set at about 10:30-11:00 oclock...best way is to experiment... 8)
... hirap ng maraming hobby. MAGASTOS!! Dami kong gusto la namang pera! ahehehe... ;D ;D ;D
-anu pa kaya pag naka all-tube gear na..:) tempting, tempting, tempting :)
so get out and rush to Arch Audio na!
Kung meron sanang magmamagandang loob na i try sa bahay namin para marinig ng misis ko. :)
also, for those interested in an all-tube system... watch-out for the announcement on wiredstate's valentine offering ;D
And thankfully we have a very generous friend here, Iceman, who will lend me his, because I'm fortunate to be living near his place. I can't wait to hear it on my set.
I'm even thinking of selling my bronze center to have the fund for this. Because I believe I will be spending more time for 2-ch music listening when I have it. So the center will be used less often. Anyway I still have my DTX center.
And hopefully, the preamp will bring about an improvement that will impress even my wife so that it will be easier to get approval for future upgrades. ;D
SSSSSSHHHHHH!!! secret yun, kasi ako rin yung nagsabi ng over my dead body ;D pero sige ok lang, eka nga eh pay it forward...kaya nga ako wharfedale wh-2 na lang ang center ;D nadidinig ko naman eh ;)
cousin skeeter,
dude..it will haunt you forever..PM na VD where you can get one.. :)
Sir Vintage,
I have a feeling "ma-inlove" ako this valentines :)
Chief VD,
What do you suggest? Wait till the Valentines surprise o get the preamp now? Ahehehe.... ;D
the valentine special is intended to partner with the preamp, BUT can also be a standalone. it will NOT be a substitute for the preamp... sorry, i can't tell you more at this point what it will be
the valentine special is intended to partner with the preamp, BUT can also be a standalone. it will NOT be a substitute for the preamp... sorry, i can't tell you more at this point what it will be
order now or wait... order now or wait... order now or wait... WAAAAHHH!!! ;D ???
order now or wait... order now or wait... order now or wait... WAAAAHHH!!! ;D ???
i think i know this already...pero i'll keep quiet muna...no, you have no idea what it is... what will hit you :P you're welcome to speculate ;D
Can I use the WS pre-amp for a Rotel 971 MK2 with no pre-in. If yes, how? Thanks.
J_albert,
Kaka heal lang ng SARS attack... FEB meron naman... wag sana...
Thanks Hans Adriane and J_albert22, pero hindi ba dapat WS pre-amp out to CD in ng Rotel integrated , tapos yung CDP ko to auxiliary in na lang.
Do you have any experience with the WS pre-amp and rotel int. combo. Thanks again.
rpm,
Rotel malapit na hehehe.. but we have tried WS preamp with the following AVr and Power Amp.. HK2550/3550/5500, Marantz 7300, Fase integrated, 2A3, Sansui integrated, Kenwood power amp, NAD integrated & Musical Fidelity power amp. ;D ;D
guys,
would appreciate sana if you could connect the WS into a Yammy Receiver+B2
thanks a bunch
may alam ako na may preamp na WS na nakakabit sa rotel amp :oganda cguro sir sched na natin listening session ;D ;D
ay naku, sinabi mo... ultimate setup na ngayon yan kaibigan natin... WS tube preamp + high-end Rotel power amp. sinamahan ko siya pickupin yun, grabe ang laki ng 1.2kVA toroidal transformer sa loob. must-hear yun pre pag na break-in na ang speakers niya. ;D ;D
anong model ng rotel na yan ? thanks :D
sure - pahiram ng yamaha na receiver ;D
I have an integrated amplifier, it has no "amp in". It has a connection for equalizer (left & right - in & out). So is it possible to turn on the equalizer setting, use the equalizer out of my integrated to connect a preamp?
sir kailan ba namin mapapakinggan yan bago initial release ;D ;Dbuy-off ba!!
the prototype will undergo several rounds of listening tests and fine tuning to make sure we come up with a real winner..i estimate we can have a final prototype by january pa...
Something to look forward to this 2004:
Single-ended Penthode integrated amplifier with triode selection
Uses common tubes for greater tube-rolling flexibility: the popular EL34 and 12AX7
ALPS Blue Volume pot used in high-end components only
AURICAP coupling caps for maximum transparency, speed and musicality!
BLACKGATE high-end bias capacitors
the Wiredstate guarantee of quality! why settle for anything else
all at an affordable price...
may be used with or without the Wiredstate preamp
Sir vintage_dog - any hint as to the projected price of this new amp would be ::)
hi zephyr,
according to sir V_D's post at www.wiredstate.com, price will definitely be less than Php 15k...thanks! 8)
Less than 15k...WOW :D.
Would this new integrated amp be better sounding than the WS preamp + TB2a3 combination. Sir V_D can you please give us an idea (esp. to newbie guys like me) the difference of this new integrated amp over the combo. ???
Thanks again. :)
ang sigaw ng bayan...300B, 300B, 300B, 300B, 300B!!!...kelan kaya...mananatili bang pangarap na lamang??? hehehehe! 8)
the ws preamp + tb2a3 combo will only give you some 3wpc...the new integrated one could give you at least 3x more power, so could easily drive less sensitive speakers...
the tb2a3 really started as a kit amp. the cost of the assembled 2a3 plus WS preamp is about p24k, while the new integrated is only a little over half that, so it is designed for the newbie audiophile on a budget or someone's starter tube amp or a second system...the integrated amp will also sing very well with the preamp and recommended for added dynamics.
the new integrated amp will probably be out in the feb-march timing...
Sir V_D,
Wish also 300B but i know its gonna be out of my budget.. for me ok na integrated tube amp... wish wish wish.. 8) 8) pero overall kahit ano pa project ng wirestate team eh Panalo!! gawang pinoy!! ;D
look on the bright side - the new integ amp will be tweaked to drive our MA speakers ;D
you got it ice! our plan is to optimize the amp with the MA speakers, among others... AND the WS preamp...should be a super combo or trio!
Nice! ;D if you need a pair of Monitor Audio B2's to tune the amp - I would be honored to lend you mine Sir :)
anybody tried ws gear with mission speakers?
i'm using Mission 780 bookshelfs on WS preamp hooked to a NAD c350...works well..:)
i'm using Mission 780 bookshelfs on WS preamp hooked to a NAD c350...works well..:)
Sir VD,
just asking..is the new WS integrated amp good for fast paced music? eg. rock, R&B, pop?
thanks
hehehe...
that's coming too...but note, 300b amps cost at least double. good pair of 300b tubes cost some $160, and 300b amps require bigger transformers...estimated cost of 300b amps is about p28-30k...add to that a preamp...
Less than 15k...WOW :D.
Would this new integrated amp be better sounding than the WS preamp + TB2a3 combination. Sir V_D can you please give us an idea (esp. to newbie guys like me) the difference of this new integrated amp over the combo. ???
Thanks again. :)
5 units available tomorrow. i will confirm where to pick-up.
pick-up from superman:
- j_albert22
- akyatbundok
- james16
- nels76
- symon
next weekend
- audionubie
hehehe...
that's coming too...but note, 300b amps cost at least double. good pair of 300b tubes cost some $160, and 300b amps require bigger transformers...estimated cost of 300b amps is about p28-30k...add to that a preamp...
...by the way, the Wiredstate Interconnects with Bullet Plugs are also available...tried them and they sound great!...thanks ArnoldC! 8)
may stock ka Pre? pwede ba home audition? dami pi-pickup sa yo ng pre amp ah... dapat session na naman yan ;D
compare natin brand new na pre-amp sa partly broken in ;)
superman,
what's new with the new chassis?
pasensiya na don't have the pics of the prototype yet...chassis is heavier...there are labels already (silk-screened)...ilalim is different...let you know kaagad...thanks! 8)
grabe, based on recos & comments bout this WS preamp mukhang talagang malupet ;D
have not heard it though...audition pls...hehe...
would love to get 1 for myself parang krismas gip ko na din sa sarili ko...
might use it muna to improve the stereo side of my yamaha avr and try to save up for a tube amp...
read sa mga posts that the WS preamp & TB are a match made in heaven...
since wala pa naman akong budget for the TB amp might save up na lang for the next WS int tube amp coming next year...
B 8)
what superman has is the prototytpe unit of the model that will be out next week. to be sold at the new price...
the units to be released this week will not have the silk-screened labels
hi guys!
for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a listen, i'm planning to organize another listening session at my place on dec. 23 (tuesday), 4:00pm onwards (tentative date)...location is near susana heights (muntinlupa)...please send me a text message if you're interested to join...
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we'll be using of course the prototype of the WS tube preamp (with the new chassis), JE Labs 2A3 SET amplifier, Monitor Audio Silver S2 Bookshlef Speakers, Analysis Plus Oval 12 Speaker Cables and Two (2) sets of Eichmann Express 4 Interconnects...
thanks and Merry Chiristmas to ALL! 8)
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::)Malapit lng ako d2 ah!!! :D :D :DI'll check my sked....
thanks s2kov!
let me know...just send me an sms 0918-9284868 8)
hi guys!
for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a listen (especially those being attacked by the dreaded SARS), i'm free this saturday, december 13, 2003 8:30pm onwards...location is near susana heights (muntinlupa)...please send me a text message if you're coming over - 0918-9284868...
superman 8)
hi guys!
for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a listen (especially those being attacked by the dreaded SARS), i'm free this saturday, december 13, 2003 8:30pm onwards...location is near susana heights (muntinlupa)...please send me a text message if you're coming over - 0918-9284868...
superman 8)
ira-raffle ba yung toshiba dvd, marantz 4300 at us audio na sub? ;D
kahit benta ka ng ticket - tig bente :D
Superman,
Any pix of the reinforced ws preamp? :)
superman,
Sir aside from the new label and case is there any other modification.. :D
same as before...mas pogi...mas macho, ika nga...hehehe!... 8)
Bro,
Is the saturday listening session final instead of Dec 23?
not really a full-blast listening session...a chance for those interested to give the WS tube preamp a try...please join if you're free...december 23 is another separate session...thanks! 8)
Ok thanks.... December 23 is fine with me and the sked this coming saturday is not possible since we have company christmas party.... 8) 8) 8)
Again, many thanks.... :D :D :D
pick-up from superman:
- j_albert22
- akyatbundok
- james16
- nels76
HARMONIC DISTORTION: Less than 0.x% at xV RMS, xHz to xkHz
CHANNEL SEPARATION: xdB @ 1kHz
PHASE: Inverting or Non-inverting
NOISE: -xdB below xV Output xHz to xkHz
went to Superman's place last night to take pictures of the new pre-amp...
we have them but guess we should leave the honor of unveiling the new chassis to Sir Vintage...
to those with the pre-amp already, just imagine your units with labels for the outputs and the pre-amp name on the front (hmmm wonder who gave the name, and won)
so just keep checking this thread for updates...
(julsp168 may Tutti na ako ;D - pang headbang ;D)
hi blade!
better line-up na...you may want to listen ot it at my place, let me know...just send me a text 0918-9284868...thanks!
TUBE ROLLING
Tube rolling can be fun if you only use the tubes listed below.
12AU7
CV4003
ECC82
Do not use tube types other than those listed above. Damage to the pre-amplifier due to improper substitution automatically voids the warranty. In addition, Wiredstate will not be liable for the damage to other equipment where the pre-amplifier was connected.
One thing that bewilderes me though is that why would some of the buyers connect an exquisite sounding tube preamp to a Japanese A/V receiver like a Yamaha, Denon or a Harman that has a S/S preamp stage already?
didnt it ever occur to the users of that method that the S/S stage of the Japanese A/V receivers MAY dillute the performance of the already good sounding WS preamp?
One this is for sure...if the WS Integrated comes out early next year and its price/performance ratio turns out toi be a winner then im quite sure that there will be a lot of used WS preamps that will go on sale sa classifieds. Happy listening to all :)
I don't think so - the WS team said the Preamp will be a match for the Integrated amp that is coming out next year. I think the reason they placed a potentiometer in that amp is so that others who do not have this preamp can still enjoy the tube sound even if they get only that amp ;)
iceman,
sir, the WS Team are coming out with an INTEGRATED TUBE AMPLIFIER. That integrated amp has a pre amp stage already. Hindi lang potentiometer ang nakalagay dun and im sure most of the components if not all that you have on your WS Preamp will be built in dun sa WS Tube Integrated Amp. Doble gastos on your part di ba kung bibilhin mo din yung WS Tube Integrated kasi you already have a tube pre amp stage. Ang sa akin lang ay putting your money where it counts the most. Yung Pre amp costs P8T+ tapos yung Integrated Tube Amp na 10 watt is less than P15T e di dun ka na sa Tube Integrated Amp ng WS kasi mas flexible yung gear na yun not to mention that you will spend only Php15T instead of Php23T+ (WS preamp and WS integrated).
Iceman, matagal na din ako sa Audio pero for me and to a lot of others ONE preamp stage is more than enough for a single stereo setup. Kung naging Tube Power amp yun ikakabit sa WS Tube Preamp ay ibang story na yun.
Akyat
You need not spend much to get a taste of the high end sound. The WS gear is already proof of that.
Something to look forward to this 2004:
Single-ended Penthode integrated amplifier with triode selection
Uses common tubes for greater tube-rolling flexibility: the popular EL34 and 12AX7
ALPS Blue Volume pot used in high-end components only
AURICAP coupling caps for maximum transparency, speed and musicality!
BLACKGATE high-end bias capacitors
the Wiredstate guarantee of quality! why settle for anything else
all at an affordable price...may be used with or without the Wiredstate preamp
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I'm not arguing with you (no point in it anyway) - just repeating what the WS guys are saying ;D
besides unlike you - I'm a newbie, dont know anything I wouldn't know a penthode from a triathlon. so if you say it has what it has - can't contest that :)
what would i know - i connect a preamp to a receiver...
iceman,
sir, the WS Team are coming out with an INTEGRATED TUBE AMPLIFIER. That integrated amp has a pre amp stage already. Hindi lang potentiometer ang nakalagay dun and im sure most of the components if not all that you have on your WS Preamp will be built in dun sa WS Tube Integrated Amp. Doble gastos on your part di ba kung bibilhin mo din yung WS Tube Integrated kasi you already have a tube pre amp stage. Ang sa akin lang ay putting your money where it counts the most. Yung Pre amp costs P8T+ tapos yung Integrated Tube Amp na 10 watt is less than P15T e di dun ka na sa Tube Integrated Amp ng WS kasi mas flexible yung gear na yun not to mention that you will spend only Php15T instead of Php23T+ (WS preamp and WS integrated).
Iceman, matagal na din ako sa Audio pero for me and to a lot of others ONE preamp stage is more than enough for a single stereo setup. Kung naging Tube Power amp yun ikakabit sa WS Tube Preamp ay ibang story na yun.
Akyat
You need not spend much to get a taste of the high end sound. The WS gear is already proof of that.
my target really was a tube integrated amp and i was planning to put pre-outs and main-ins on it, so that i can have the flexibility of having both a hybrid and an all-tube setup. in fact i wanted to do this experiment of bi-amping my 3-way floorstander with a tube amp for the mids/highs and an ss power amp for the woofer.
i already had the AMX kt88 SET amp in mind, but on 1st & 2nd audition i thought it still needed an extra oomph so i kinda hesitated. i hope the WS integrated would be more convincing... since the integrated amp version would be basically using the same preamp (just an assumption), would it then be possible for existing preamp owners to send in their units for "upgrade"? you know, just to protect the investment.
since the integrated amp version would be basically using the same preamp (just an assumption), would it then be possible for existing preamp owners to send in their units for "upgrade"? you know, just to protect the investment.
Maybe you guys should wait for the specs. Is there a initial/premap gain stage in the WS integrated amp? At its simplest form integrated amp can mean just an input selector and a pot. In which case, getting the WS preamp and integrated amp would not be redundant.
Give it a try bro. If the WS Integrated Tube Amp has a signal pass through circuit which can be controlled by the volume pot then its just a matter of connecting a S/S power amp to the signal path to power the woofer. Try to ask if they could custom build such a pass through for you.
thanks bro superman...
already got your cell no...
will just text you if ever i can make it to one of your listening sessions...
saan nga pala kayo sa susana heights...
thanks....
Blade.
if someone would be generous enough to sell their krell, bryston or classe for 10k
The specs of the WS integrated amp are already out bro. just look at the post of iceman. please compare it to the WS preamp and im quite sure you will notice common parts between the two.
Akyat,
Baka HK P2000 or NAD C260/272 pwede na.
Very interesting discuss this is... ;D
sir vintage, when the new integrated amp comes out, maybe power amp inputs would be useful for us WS preamp owners. that way we can switch between 2 preamps? maybe we can use a different set of tubes on the 2 preamps and then switch according to mood/taste. or better yet, a power amp add-on.
BTW, another problem that the WS Preamp owners that may encounter is that if they want to upgrade their S/S amps with the WS tube integrated amp. They have two preamp stages once again which is quite redundant.
arnoldc & VD,
Thanks for the clarifications!! ;D
So if we already have the ws preamp/ss amp combo, its already as good or even close to the ws preamp/ws intamp combo?
not true, there will only be one active preamp stage in a WS preamp+WS integrated amp combo. reason is, the WS int-amp has a passive preamp stage (only a volume control).
sir vintage dog, even though the preamp stage of the WS tube integrated is passive the fact still remains that it is still a preamp stage and that there will be TWO preamp stages if you use the WS preamp with the WS Integrated tube amp (one is active and the other one is passive.) kahit sabihin nating passive design yan at volume control lang ang meron dyan ay preamp stage pa din yan. let us call a spade a spade sir para naman hindi ma-confuse yung mga newbies na babasa sa thread na ito and to those who are interested to purchase your products. cheers ;)
i already had the AMX kt88 SET amp in mind, but on 1st & 2nd audition i thought it still needed an extra oomph so i kinda hesitated. i hope the WS integrated would be more convincing... since the integrated amp version would be basically using the same preamp (just an assumption), would it then be possible for existing preamp owners to send in their units for "upgrade"? you know, just to protect the investment.
4. invest in high-efficiuency speakers...as a guide, every 3 db increase in speaker sensitivity requires only half the power. for example, if your 8w amp (like a 300b amp) is able to drive your 90db speakers well, you will need only 1w to produce the same loadness when using 99db speakers!
There are no real guarantees that being a so-called "hobbyist" makes it better than the rest. I am a audiophile too. Can you say, we're building this for the upliftment of audio in the Philippines? Audio is like beauty " in the eyes of the beholder" or make it in the "ears of the beholder" and both very, very subjective. You ain't the gospel unless it's in The Bible.
Now I read somewhere about the money back guarantee you have which is good for the buyers.
If indeed these wired state products are worthy of praise then congratulations are in order Francis Sogono!
IIRC, there are products by Rene and other hobbyists too who may or may not be active on these forums and may not be as eloquent or well funded as some of you.
No flames here again for the newbies you have every right to ask no matter how dumb or trivial your questions may be because the customer is always right!
If they don't reaxct properly like a so called challenge then we can take our business elsewhere.
In the end like all other transactions... Caveat Emptor or buyers beware. No matter how little the profit, bottomline it still is a business.
My spade.
There are no real guarantees that being a so-called "hobbyist" makes it better than the rest. I am a audiophile too. Can you say, we're building this for the upliftment of audio in the Philippines? Audio is like beauty " in the eyes of the beholder" or make it in the "ears of the beholder" and both very, very subjective. You ain't the gospel unless it's in The Bible.
Now I read somewhere about the money back guarantee you have which is good for the buyers.
If indeed these wired state products are worthy of praise then congratulations are in order wiredstate team!
IIRC, there are products by Rene and other hobbyists too who may or may not be active on these forums and may not be as eloquent or well funded as some of you.
No flames here again for the newbies you have every right to ask no matter how dumb or trivial your questions may be because the customer is always right!
If they don't reaxct properly like a so called challenge then we can take our business elsewhere.
In the end like all other transactions... Caveat Emptor or buyers beware. No matter how little the profit, bottomline it still is a business.
My spade.
Im sorry I have to edit your post. Please be careful with your posting. This is your first and last Warning!
mod levi
2. the WS integrated amp is really a 10wpc amp with a passive preamp section. net, it is like an amp but with a volume control. the WS intamp does not have the same power rating as most receivers, so will may need efficient speakers.
there will still be only 1 and only 1 preamp stage in a WS preamp + WS integrated amp combo. the preamp (gain stage) is provided by the WS preamp. the passive device (potentiometer) is exactly that, passive, that is, not proviing any gain at all, thus technically not a preamp stage. the term "passive preamp" is an audiophile term referring generally to a potentiometer used to control "volume", but does NOT provide any gain.
if you still can't understand, i invite you to sit down with us and we will show you the design and theory behind what we are saying here. at max setting of the potentiometer, the signal directly passes through the grid of the driver tube and the 100k potentiomener acts as a fixed resistor to ground. this design makes it an amp, thus at this setting there is only one active preamp stage and not two.
have you seen our design for you to question what we are claiming?
so before you make your statement and insinuations about us not calling a spade a spade, better consult with us first and validate what we are saying. please note that we are hobbyists more than businessmen, and we are doing these projects to spread tube sound to more folks.
also, i do not need to advertise any of our products. you will note that the product sells itself. if you are here to question our credibility, better back-up your words or be prepared to confront us face to face.
hopefully, we can trace the IP address of boobtube at pinoydvd with the help of Pinoydvd administrators and match it up with someone we already know...
a reminder lang po to those who are planning of stirring troubles here:
ingat mga tsong, there are even tools out there that can be used to trace a user's identity without even going through the ISP. kakatakot ano? heheh ;D ;D ;D
I appreciated that they designed this preamp. It gives a chance for the newbies and not so newbies to own a good sounding but affordable gear. They are not cheating anyone with false claims, infact they are using the best parts possible. Even Rene told me that its a winner preamp and he owns one. If you are an audiophile, you would know how expensive audio gears. For whatever reason they have to build this projects, no one is being forced to buy. It is upto the buyer to audition it and decide. Just my 1 cent .
kanina you described the WS integrated as "a 10wpc amp with a passive preamp section". now its only an amp with a "passive device" na lang. biglang nawala na yung word na preamp kasi sabi mo "technically" its not a preamp...volume control na lang sya. later on siguro you will describe the WS Integrated amp as the WS Amp w/ volume pot.
the WS integrated is what we described: "a 10wpc amp with a passive preamp section" and yes it is really a WS amp with a volume pot.
a passive preamp IS really a volume pot...that's what we have been telling you all along. read back my previous posts. you seen to have problems reading plain and simple english.
you refuse to admit it but you do NOT understand what preamps are. are you aware that there are two types:
1. active, just like the WS preamp. active means, it has a gain stage.
2. passive..no gain stage, just a potentiometer or volume control...that is what is in the WS integrated amp.
I am not sure why you still can't get that.
mod levi, if you review all my posts re this subject matter im quite sure you will not find the word cheating and false claims. I for one didnt accuse them as such. Meron lang sigurong konting misunderstanding in certain aspects of the WS product and how it works.
why would I consult with you before posting a statement?oh simple: so you don't make a fool of yourself by making inaccurate statements and showing your ignorance.
Who made you the audio guru of the Philippines?oh by the way, we are not gurus. we are just a bunch of crazy guys who design tube electronics for a hobby and create something which pinoys could be proud of. does that bother you? if yes, post somewhere else.
I wont waste my time doing so because I already have a clear and concise idea of what a preamp is and how it workshahaha, no you DON'T understand preamps. wake up man...you can't even distinguish between active and passive preamps
yukon
sir, I am not stirring trouble. discussion lang ito. If I get banned from this site because I merely wanted to discuss certain issues then so be it. bawal na yatang kumontra at mag raise ng question dito sa site na ito eh.
when iceman brought his receiver at home for a listen, frankly i was surprised how the WS preamp transformed it into a musical machine, i see no compelling need for someone to change his receiver set-up into something else...
what's common is our passion for audio - designing, creating and sharing our knowledege with others. we have a simple vision: to create quality pinoy audio products that we can all be proud of internationally. our pride is when pinoys will be known and recognized in foreign lands to have quality and good-sounding products and designs...and actually buy and use them!
by the way, for our amps and preamps, the transformers are hand-wound by pinoys, the designs made by pinoys, chassis made by pinoys, assembled by pinoys, quality-checked and auditioned by pinoys....
There are no real guarantees that being a so-called "hobbyist" makes it better than the rest. I am a audiophile too. Can you say, we're building this for the upliftment of audio in the Philippines? Audio is like beauty " in the eyes of the beholder" or make it in the "ears of the beholder" and both very, very subjective. You ain't the gospel unless it's in The Bible.
Now I read somewhere about the money back guarantee you have which is good for the buyers.
If indeed these wired state products are worthy of praise then congratulations are in order wiredstate team!
IIRC, there are products by Rene and other hobbyists too who may or may not be active on these forums and may not be as eloquent or well funded as some of you.
No flames here again for the newbies you have every right to ask no matter how dumb or trivial your questions may be because the customer is always right!
If they don't reaxct properly like a so called challenge then we can take our business elsewhere.
In the end like all other transactions... Caveat Emptor or buyers beware. No matter how little the profit, bottomline it still is a business.
My spade.
Im sorry I have to edit your post. Please be careful with your posting. This is your first and last Warning!
mod levi
3) The one who has been pointing fingers has been VD (shhhhh we can't say his name or we stand to be edited) no less and blaming some poor lass. VD even edited his post 3 times. I am glad you sold as much units as close to both our ages. Yes I am also an original member of the Tuesday Club. Lest you speak that highly in front of us. Your meak manners in front of us does not reflect you today on the forums. I wonder why?
"Why do we call metal boxes with knobs that are filled with little do-dads like audio-taper volume controls and input selector switches, "passive pre-amplifiers"? The adjective "passive" is a misnomer when it is intended to modify the noun "pre-amplifier" because in audio, nothing is truly passive. Same goes for the word "pre-amplifier". If the metal box has no gain stages why do we call it an "amplifier"? Where is the amplification? And "pre"? What is it going before? It goes after the source and before the amplifier. So isn't it really an, "in-between"? Why not be accurate and call these things "audio control units" or some such? "
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0102/preamplifiers.htm
1) Just because this was my first post doesn't mean I am bashing anyone. I am a member of this forum and have been lurking for quite almost 2 years now. I also run my own site Mr. Yukon.
2) Now what did I say wrong then in my post to merit an edit?Or a warning?!? Please be fair Mod Levi.
3) The one who has been pointing fingers has been VD (shhhhh we can't say his name or we stand to be edited) no less and blaming some poor lass. VD even edited his post 3 times. I am glad you sold as much units as close to both our ages. Yes I am also an original member of the Tuesday Club. Lest you speak that highly in front of us. Your meak manners in front of us does not reflect you today on the forums. I wonder why?
4) The point I am trying to drive at is when people question, please do not snap at them. These are young newbies. Remember when you first started out? We are all happy at your efforts in the Audio community (who are closer to your age) and protecting the would be buyers. The gospel may be said by the other 11 disciples also, diba???
Anyways, lets all be calm. No one is trying to misrepresent the boobtube at pinoydiophiles. It was merely a coincidence.
Good day and I'm sure your group will break the 50 unit sales soon.
Why do we call metal boxes with knobs that are filled with little do-dads like audio-taper volume controls and input selector switches, "passive pre-amplifiers"? The adjective "passive" is a misnomer when it is intended to modify the noun "pre-amplifier" because in audio, nothing is truly passive. Same goes for the word "pre-amplifier". If the metal box has no gain stages why do we call it an "amplifier"? Where is the amplification? And "pre"? What is it going before? It goes after the source and before the amplifier. So isn't it really an, "in-between"? Why not be accurate and call these things "audio control units" or some such?
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0102/preamplifiers.htm
1) Just because this was my first post doesn't mean I am bashing anyone. I am a member of this forum and have been lurking for quite almost 2 years now. I also run my own site Mr. Yukon.
2) Now what did I say wrong then in my post to merit an edit?Or a warning?!? Please be fair Mod Levi.
3) The one who has been pointing fingers has been VD (shhhhh we can't say his name or we stand to be edited) no less and blaming some poor lass. VD even edited his post 3 times. I am glad you sold as much units as close to both our ages. Yes I am also an original member of the Tuesday Club. Lest you speak that highly in front of us. Your meak manners in front of us does not reflect you today on the forums. I wonder why?
4) The point I am trying to drive at is when people question, please do not snap at them. These are young newbies. Remember when you first started out? We are all happy at your efforts in the Audio community (who are closer to your age) and protecting the would be buyers. The gospel may be said by the other 11 disciples also, diba???
Anyways, lets all be calm. No one is trying to misrepresent the boobtube at pinoydiophiles. It was merely a coincidence.
Good day and I'm sure your group will break the 50 unit sales soon.
Yukon,
Merry christmas pre!! :D :D
got my 'tono' this lunch break, and met vintage_dog at archi audio along with james and nico... nice to meet you sir francis!! i agree with yukon, mabait yan si sir francis... thanks for clarifying all our questions. james oks na oks yan tambayan mo, nakaka-SARS dyan hehe... ;D ;D
the proof is in the pudding... can't wait to get home to try it out... yahhooo!!!
the proof is in the pudding... can't wait to get home to try it out... yahhooo!!!
actually its "the proof of the pudding is in the eating..." :)
ayan na naman, nagsisimula na naman ako ng gulo hehehe
got my 'tono' this lunch break, and met vintage_dog at archi audio along with james and nico... nice to meet you sir francis!! i agree with yukon, mabait yan si sir francis... thanks for clarifying all our questions. james oks na oks yan tambayan mo, nakaka-SARS dyan hehe... ;D ;D
the proof is in the pudding... can't wait to get home to try it out... yahhooo!!!
actually its "the proof of the pudding is in the eating..." :)
ayan na naman, nagsisimula na naman ako ng gulo hehehe
ganda ng Christmas natin this year, sigurado punong puno ng music ang mga bahay natin...
recommended Christmas album: Linda Eder - Christmas Stays the Same... specially track no. 5 "Do you hear what i hear... GALING!!"
di na ba tayo maulit kina Superman?
hi guys!
kelan niyo gusto??? jungle bells ang magandang pampasko!!!...hehehehe! pati burn in na rin ng speakers..
the stacey kent christmas album is also great!!! 8)
bakit di ko nakita yang Stacey Kent????? tinago mo no?
;D ;D ;D Pre, friend, kaibigan... baka naman pwede... ;D
bakit di ko nakita yang Stacey Kent????? tinago mo no?
;D ;D ;D Pre, friend, kaibigan... baka naman pwede... ;D
Superman,
Where di you get that? I was trying to look for it for quite sometime now. Planning on getting Michael Buble's christmas album also... although 6 tracks lang ata.
hi guys!
kelan niyo gusto??? jungle bells ang magandang pampasko!!!...hehehehe! pati burn in na rin ng speakers..
the stacey kent christmas album is also great!!! 8)
bro,
Please do imform me... I'd really like to have one. ;D
uuuyyyy... mukhang magkakaroon ng christmas party, ah... sama ako!!! ;D
OT...as soon as ma-remember ko, i'll PM you...thanks! 8)
yup, let's plan...pag-usapan natin...thanks! 8)
bago tayo ma-ban dahil sa OT, dito na lang kayo palista...
;D
http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=17761 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=17761)
Congrats akyatbundok!! Lufet mo talaga... may ws preamp na... may darating pang sony surplus amp. :o :o :o
Yukon,
Merry christmas pre!! :D :D
Superman,
Kailan ba maulit?? sana morning naman hehehe..
Akyat,
Congrats sa WS preamp mo! welcome to the club hehehe.. balik tayo kina Superman..
Iceman,
Agree dapat maulit muli...
Yukon,
Merry christmas pre!! :D :DHans, Maligayang Pasko!... hohoho
lights on.....
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws4.jpg)
lights off......
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws5.jpg)
merry christmas!!!
success!!! bagay na bagay sa kenwood THX power amp ko mga 'pre. akala ko pang cine lang 'tong amp ko, pwede rin pala sa music. pogi pa match sa black finish o di ba?
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws6.jpg)
just as i experienced in our listening session, i felt the urge to shout "SUCCESS!!" a few seconds into a song... not that i've used lots of preamps before, i've only previously used the built-in preamps in my integrated amps & receivers, which in my opinion are all pretty good. but i felt this preamp was letting through a bit more of the signal so that i could really hear what the power amp could do... which was deliver truckloads of BASSSS... and a bit more detail. i love my kenwood and mordaunt floorstander even more, with what the combi could do in the bass region.
then i settled down for a more critical comparison vs. my sansui's preamp. my sansui is a surplus amp, but it was a relatively high-end amp in japan in the mid-80's with SRP around 138,000yen or about 70k pesos by today's exchange rate. the sansui is more "musical" than the kenwood. the latter i think is more "accurate". once i found the same loudness in the volume pot, i noticed only a slight difference in sound quality, but the difference is there alright... the 'tono' was more detailed & lively... the sansui's built-in preamp was a bit laid back and smoother... which was a surprise for me coz i expected the sansui to be brighter... anyways, i'll post more of my observations as the preamp burns in... it's only been used for like 6 hours so far and it sounds good already.
hi bro!
congrats ha!...more enjoyable music ahead...are these NOS tubes pa din??? parang iba ang "glow" eh...or because sa kuha lang ng camera???
enjoy! 8)
Superman,
Sent you pm. ;D
i also tested this with a MF x10-d... uh oh... sacrilege! :-X :-X ...sori po i couldn't resist. ;D ;D
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws7.jpg)
I placed the x10-d on line 1 and then straight wire on line 2... The wonders of having 2 audio outs in your dvd player is you can switch back & forth to compare 2 sources. The x10-d improves my dvd player's audio output by adding more weight to the bass and body to the mids. It's a very subtle change that is sometimes hard to distinguish, but once i got used to it, i prefer having it in the audio chain. It works with the 'tono' preamp too. This is my first time to hear the kenwood THX amp adorned with the x10-d because the previous preamp that i use with the kenwood (my marantz sr7300 receiver) doesn't match well with the x10-d. With the x10-d + tono preamp, at times there could be too much low bass on my MS-908, especially on CD's that have alot of bass to begin with. But after moving my speakers away from the corner, problem solved. Still, i'm not sure if i should be using the x10-d because the sound is already well-balanced with the tono preamp alone. I guess this could be source-dependent... if i want more mids & bass i'll just switch it on. Some of my CDs do need that extra help... not all CDs are created equal after all.
a liitle OT, what camera do you use for the shots. i agree with others, your tono shop of the tubes is so professional looking....hmmm, maybe we can tap you to help us with taking pics of some of our projects... ;D
by the way, while audio is a matter of personal taste, try to use your audio with the ws preamp but without the x10d and find out of there is anything else "missing" in the music. if none, there is no need to add another component... ;)
it was a very good afternoon for me last friday as Sir NARAYAN invited me to audition his WS preamp. GOOd!-- my boss was in her lucid interval that time hehe! that she allowed me go on half-day -- ;D
Sir Narayan met me at the gate of their well secured subdivision hehe- medyo strict ung guard. Exactly 1 pm we were at Narayan's Music HT room. what i noticed first was his all MS speakers very proud in its beech color (beech nga ba yun- ;D) the bookshelf spkers on top of the flrstanders; the sub in the corner; the two sorrounds locked his listening coach in its place. His a/v cabinet carries in the middle his Flat TV and above that is the MS center.
i also noticed the fully protected piece of equipment resting on the right side of the cabinet which later i found to be the well applauded MF power amp on top of a rotel cd player. i noticed also the two extra amps near his ms flrstanders. According to sir Narayan, the two amps duty is to pump power to the two flrtanders- hmmm! ;) Now on the left side is the WS Preamp. I know it because of the two protruding tubes in its top cover and two controls in its front panel, which have become familiar to me because of my daily visit to the picture of the amp in this thread.
We started the session with a selection from the verve jazz cd. Using merely his kenwood avr and his MS bookshelf, i found the music very good for my virgin ears. After the piece, we now tried the WS preamp
using the same selection. I closed my eyes momentarily and concentrate on how the preamp executed the notes of the music.
frankly, i really cannot notice the difference--- i just arrived at Narayans house and with all the noise i encounterd during my travel from my office to Narayans house, my ears had yet been rested. For several times we played the same selection under two conditions, First- using the preamp and second - without.
After around 15 minutes of listening, when my ears have become adopted to the environment of Narayans closed music room, it had become easier to distinguish what was comin from the preamp and what was not. We tested on with some other CDs shifting from time to time, from merely the AVR, and with the aid of the preamp...and I was now very sure that i knew when we're playing with or without the preamp. The music and particularly the execution of the notes is clearer and more detailed with the preamp as compared with merely using the AVR.
with the AVR only, there are layers of sound which seem to cover the sound of notes as they thin out. With the intervention of the preamp, these layers are minimized if not totally erased, depending maybe on the quality of the CD being played.
To illustrate, i noticed that the sound of long"DOOO" would actually sound as "DOOOHHHHH" from an AVR. However, when using the preamp, the "HHHHH" is minimized if not totally eliminated, giving a clearer sound of the note, so they say that with the preamp, "u seem to be actually infront of the singer."
Of course i may say now that getting and maximizing the benefit that the preamp would give still depends on many other factors. first, are intrinsic in nature which may consist of the quality of the other gears u use, the CD, and ur speakers. Second are extrinsic, which may include your MUsic area and ur environment.
In Narayan's house we used the highly reviewed MS speakers. i think the quality of the speakers u use is very important because this is where interpretation of the sound by the preamp is expressed. Narayan has an enclosed Music room, eliminating most of the unwanted sounds comin from the environment.
I really wanted to have this considering the benefit i may get from the preamp. its true after hearin this perform u really can become a music lover- ;D more if u all have in your side the intrinsic and extrinsic factors i am sayin here. However, maybe i have to fix my music area first, to maximize the benefits the preamp can give.
After my experience with the WS preamp, Narayan allowed me also to hear his MF amp, while he used his rotel as the source. there are two separate MF amps driving the MS floorstanders. Frankly, to my surprise it sounded as if it was passin thru the preamp-- the clarity and detail of the notes i heard usin the preamp are there...only that it has a more subdued bass output. But this is due to the youth of the the MS floorstanders which are barely two months old. With my 2-hr session with Narayan, i also have observed how a well-broken speaker like his MS bs outperforms a new floorstander.
We parted at around 3pm.. and with the experience i got out of it, all i can say to all of you guys, the WS is a very cheap stuff to improve ur music. -- ;D
thnkx SIR NARAYAN! ;D
my pleasure bro :D
lights on.....
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws4.jpg)
lights off......
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ws5.jpg)
merry christmas!!!
I changed my tubes to Telefunken but no more time to try it out. I will post my observation soon.
anyone using the WS preamp with Rotel amps, eg the Rotel 931 MkII amps?
Hi Levi,
Looks like you've been accumulating good sounding tubes. If you are fond of details, you should be very satisfied with the telefunkens.
Are those Smooth or Ribbed plates? Nos or Used? Just curious.
Looking forward to your observations.
Enjoy Bro!
for those using the preamp in the CD in of your Receiver or Integ amp (like me), you might want to try this:
1. connect the Left out of your CD, directly to the CD in of your recvr
2. connect the Right out of your CD to the Right In of the WS preamp
3. connect the Right out of the WS preamp to the Right CD In of the recvr
4. turn WS preamp volume to zero
5. turn recvr volume to regular listening level
6. play CD which you know singer is in the middle (acoustic vocals is good)
7. notice that the singer will be coming way from the left (because right volume is zero in the preamp)
8. slowly turn up the volume on the WS preamp
9. notice the singer is now moving towards the center..
10. when it reaches the center - stop turning the WS knob, remember location of white indicator
11. turn up the WS volume some more - voice will now be coming from the right (WS output is now greater than CD output)
12. turn down WS volume till the voice is centered once again
13. disconnect left input from cd to amp
14. connect to left in of WS preamp
15. connect Left out of WS to left in of your recvr
You have now achieved the following:
CD out = WS out
* this puts to rest the worry that you might damage your recvr by overloading the input signal being received through the CD in from the WS preamp
(note: this worry may or may not be justified, but I fell better now)
isa kang henyo...isa kang alamat!!! 8)
Mga tube gurus,
Does it mean that if you set the preamp (say, 12 o'clock position), we are limited on the gain we can achieve considering that the specs is 20dB at maximum.
Thanks.... :D :D :D
It's the clipping that limits us... pag nagki-clip na, tigil na... but if your amp and speakers can take it, by all means drive it to its limit. eheheh
Btw, hindi ako kasama sa "mga tube gurus" na binanggit dun ... nakikisali lang po... 8) 8) 8)
a bit off topic but the reason why I bought a servo Automatic Voltage Regulator is mainly because I now have my WS Preamp... Previously I only had an all electronic (i think solid state would be the right term) avr that was specifically designed for my computer at home.
here are some of the pics that will convince those bobbyists not using AVRs (servo types are the best)...
= The testing gear used is a high end Multitester (FLUKE) with an ossiloscope feature.
(you'll see the Yaden AVR at the background).
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500025b.jpg)
Multitester/Ossiloscope now prepared for testing voltage outputs and sine waves.
We had to turn off the lights so we can get a good shot at the tester's display
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500042b.jpg)
= First reading (test prods directly connected to normal/meralco power line). As you can see, the voltage reading is at 238.2volts. In some areas, hopefully not where you live, power supplies can go as high as 260v... that can easily damage your electronic gears.
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500045b.jpg)
= Second reading (test prods now connected to the AVR's 220V power output). You will notice the voltage reading is at 221.3volts. Highest reading we had is around 224volts. A 4-volt difference is okay, a 20-volt difference is not, how much more sa 40-volt difference - - as mentioned, in some areas there are 260-volt spikes from time to time. The question is; how forgiving will your amps be?...
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500037b.jpg)
= Third reading (test prods now connected to the AVR's 110V power output). Notice the voltage reading is 112.5V. Highest reading we had is around 114volts. Again, a 4-volt difference is okay.
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500041b.jpg)
= Fourth reading (test prods now connected to a DIY power cord attached to the AVR's 220V power output). Voltage reading (enlarged) is at 222.8V. (okay pa rin)
You will see at the background the WS Preamp with its knob protruding.
The DIY power cord actually is for the WS Preamp.
(http://www.hpono.com:32000/mail/s3500038b.jpg)
I can not comment on the sine waves professionally (naks), but its highest and lowest peaks are like being clipped... it's not really a perfect sinusuidal wave... meralco or AVR output parehas lang. bakit kaya?... is it me, or is it really normal that way?
So there it goes, an AVR is a very small investment to protect the larger ones.
Yaden AVR's cost around P1.8k to P2k for 1000VA units (with delay na yon to protect itself from power outage and suddenly balik din agad). There are a lot of good brands out there but Yaden Servo AVRs has proven its worth... bottom line para hindi magalit at burahin ang post ko ng moderator?... "protect your WS gears with an AVR"... eheheh
BTW, pag nagka-ubusan ng Yaden, tumataas 'to up to as much as 3.5k.
If I can borrow a WS preamp, I can audition it with my Rotel RA931 MkII. Though the amp doesn't have a main in.
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::)238volts is quite high for our gears.... Can anyone know the tolerance of WS preamp?
the WS preamp should be able to take these voltages.
the WS preamp should be able to take these voltages.
Gurong Yukon - ikinopya ko po ang inyong turing sa General Thread para po sa kaalaman ng iba ;D
http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=1823
Thanks. Tamang tama, the MS CDT is running in my system now.
Hi sir V_D, I am a fan of the Tono WS Preamp, and when it comes to protection, (di lang sa Preamp - heheh) it would still be best to protect our gears with an AVR - diba heheh?...
I remember my 20-inch Goldstar Green TV, its (power?) transistor blew up twice dahil hindi ko nalagyan ng AVR, an engineer told me the transistor should be able to handle up to 250 or 260volts yata pero pumutok din - I then concluded that our power supply should be spiking to more that 250V or 260V...
Notorious yong power line namin sa apartment where we lived before.
By the way, I was at makati square a few days ago or was it at harison plaza - parehas ko kasing pinutahan eh (my memory is getting bad heheh). An electronic store there was selling a 1.5kVA (yata) Stavol AVR for 10k... hanep!, ganun ba kagaling ang Stavol?
Merry Christmas sir Francis...
You are probably right Audiotyro. Cascading brings much surprises.
Since I intend to have my friends audition it on their amps with main ins, I really have nothing to lose if I hook it up. I am ready for anything.
Thanks for the insight.
sir vd...can the tono pre amp can do justice with my marantz sr4300 and bose accoustimass set up? ???...and i dnt have a subwoofer yet ;D...thanks ;D
I don't know how you can do this (Preamp + Integrated amp). An integrated amp already has a preamp, so you will be subjecting the signal from the source to two sets of preamps. I am afraid it will degrade the sound.
Wanna bring home a 'tono' preamp to try out over the holidays without spending a single centavo*?Bump for [slayer] - pre exactly what you need! ;D
Return only after New Year!
*requirement is a post dated check
I don't know how you can do this (Preamp + Integrated amp). An integrated amp already has a preamp, so you will be subjecting the signal from the source to two sets of preamps. I am afraid it will degrade the sound. Can you not borrow a separate power amp? That should be most appropriate.
I've heard high praises on the Tono Preamp. Gawang Pinoy audiophile yan! Enjoy your audition.
Can the preamp's input take the signal from the pre-outs of a receiver? Or is that signal's voltage too high? Thanks.The gain will be too high, distorting the WS pre, and you will amplify that distortion.
Can the preamp's input take the signal from the pre-outs of a receiver? Or is that signal's voltage too high? Thanks.The gain will be too high, distorting the WS pre, and you will amplify that distortion.
Can the preamp's input take the signal from the pre-outs of a receiver? Or is that signal's voltage too high? Thanks.
for those using the preamp in the CD in of your Receiver or Integ amp (like me), you might want to try this:
1. connect the Left out of your CD, directly to the CD in of your recvr
2. connect the Right out of your CD to the Right In of the WS preamp
3. connect the Right out of the WS preamp to the Right CD In of the recvr
4. turn WS preamp volume to zero
5. turn recvr volume to regular listening level
6. play CD which you know singer is in the middle (acoustic vocals is good)
7. notice that the singer will be coming way from the left (because right volume is zero in the preamp)
8. slowly turn up the volume on the WS preamp
9. notice the singer is now moving towards the center..
10. when it reaches the center - stop turning the WS knob, remember location of white indicator
11. turn up the WS volume some more - voice will now be coming from the right (WS output is now greater than CD output)
12. turn down WS volume till the voice is centered once again
13. disconnect left input from cd to amp
14. connect to left in of WS preamp
15. connect Left out of WS to left in of your recvr
You have now achieved the following:
CD out = WS out
* this puts to rest the worry that you might damage your recvr by overloading the input signal being received through the CD in from the WS preamp
(note: this worry may or may not be justified, but I feel better now)
now that you have identified the reference volume on your preamp - another tweak to make getting that setting easier everytime:
1. carefully without turning the knob, loosen the screw holding the plastic knob in place
2. reinsert the plastic knob in such a way that the white indicator is at the 12 o'clock position
3. tighten the screw
now everytime you want to set the preamp to the ref volume - just set the knob to 12 o'clock ;D
Bump for [slayer] - pre exactly what you need! ;D
iceman,
Thanks for the heads-up! Will try to drop by ArchAudio or Hans will bring his preamp sa house pag nag session kami. ;D
oiysssst!! anong session yan?!.. Sama ako diyan. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sir V_D,
I noticed on my preamp that the glow of both tubes are not identical. You will see on one tube that the upper and lower portion of the tube glows while the other tube is only the upper portion.
Is it normal?
this is normal...sometimes the filaments are partially covered by the plate structures thus giving the impression that they are less bright...
Wanna bring home a 'tono' preamp to try out over the holidays without spending a single centavo*?
Return only after New Year!
Sir V_D,
Can you please include me in the list? I want the new version with thicker chassis and labels. Kindly pm me on availability and post-dated check details. Tx.
units are available at Architectural Audio and they can give you a new unit to bring home upon presentation of a P9,150 check dated 1/5/2004.
this is a GREAT OFFER, guys!...bili na!
i've had the unit for over a month now...every minute, every second the sweetness improves...a great FILIPINO product! 8)
mabuhay ang WIREDSTATE! 8)
good news!
our prototype 300b amp is now up and running... ;D
be the first to audition this prototype at superman's den on the 30th!
Sir Vintage,
i've been hearing good praises for this Tono pre-amp, is it possible to hide the tubes inside the box? quite apprehensive of the kids might accidentally break them when they're playing... :-\
we'd like to test and tune our amps using the MA speakers. is it possible to borrow a pair of bookshelves?
thanks
you can borrow mine Sir, I'll bring them over on the weekend ;D
attaboy, iceman! 8)
merry christmas! 8)
attention MA owners...this is something to look forward to...wow! 8)
thanks! 8)
superman 8)
kaya kay niya yung b4 :-\ sana para i'll have more options in my next project. ;D
Vintage,
Any chance you will sell tube cover for the preamp? Thanks
Levi
no plans as of the moment to include this in our preamps...however, this may be installed by a capable technician...perhaps rene can help put a cage?
is there a plan to make WS gears available for for audition in Davao or Cebu?
is there a plan to make WS gears available for for audition in Davao or Cebu?
we havent's had any problems yet with the MAs we've used...both the B2 and S2 sounded "excellent"...i'm very confident it will have the same results with the B4s...thanks! 8)
thanks superman! ;D
we just ended a marathon listening session (2pm to 2am) with our amps , trying it out with different combinations of speakers, wires, tubes, etc.
we are pleased to let you know that the wiredstate 300b amp prototype has undergone another tweak/mod and sounds more dynamic, balanced, sweet and musical with the tono preamp....
it has enough muscle to drive the following: sonus faber, spendor and the brines-fostex...
this amp really rocks and knows how to sing ;D
present: hansen, arnold, jovy (oldfogey), ed (toobs), mickey and myself
get a chance to audition them on the 30th at superman's den!
VD,
Kala ko around 15k lang?
This may be a bit pre-mature, but we are so excited with the newly-tweaked 300B tube amp prototype, we thought we'll share the good news!
We have another possible winner amp here in the tradition of Tubong Bastos and the 'tono' preamp!
Features:
- 300B single-ended stereo amp 8wpc (3-4x the power of the TB2A3 amp)
- Proprietary WIREDSTATE design, tweaked, tuned by Pinoydiophles!
- point-to-point wiring
- AURICAP coupling caps
- BLACK GATE bias caps with extra bypass caps
- new chassis to match with the tono preamp
- brass faceplate
- high quality gold-plated input and speaker connectors
- NOS 5U4 tube rectifier, choke regulated
- NOS 6SL7 driver tubes included
- your choice of 300B power tubes (included are Electro Harmonix)
- Lifetime guarantee on repairs; 1 year on parts
- Extra heavy-duty hand-wound power and OPT transformers
- A lot of TLC from the DIY team!
All at a very special unbelievable price of about P2?k for the first 5 units.
Preorders accepted for delivery in February 2004!
pupunta ba si Jvm bukas sa inyo? sabihan mo magdala ng tissue para pamunas sa laway nating tyak na tutulo ;D
for fun, i will bring along assorted tubes for tube-rolling on the 300b amp:
- Vaic Valve super V V4300a
- Golden Dragon labelled Audio Note
- the much acclaimed TJ 300B mesh plate
- Electro harmonix (stock)
plus some NOS 6SL7s
and a special silver DIY interconnet and speaker cables care of Ambel (Eric) at Wiredstate.
VD,
Kala ko around 15k lang?
Sir Vintage_ Dog,
I am placing my order for 1 unit of this 300B amp! Alam ko basta maganda sa pandinig mo, okay yan sir!
thanks and regards to all!
hkfoam
btw, the amps carry a money-back guarantee, so buyers are practically risk-free. we are so confident in these amps, we will even give you additional money for all your trouble in the event you don't like it at all and return them within 30 days!
how about that? crazy deal huh? [/color]
thanks!
Congratulations and thank you to the Bold 5:
1. botching
2. anthony
3. SUPERMAN
4. KD
5. HKfoam
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looks like this WS300B amp will become a bestseller with all you guys queuing again... :) :)
V_D, may I know the dimension of this amp? the HxWxD and if possible, the photo of your prototype
thanks ;D
the prototype uses exactly the same chassis as the TB2A3 amp, however, the actual WS300B production amp will have a different chassis and lay-out and will weigh heavier than the 2A3 amp.
sir V_D...will the actual unit be using NOS 6SL7 and 5U4G tubes??? 8)
papila na rin sa next batch :)
yes for the Bold 5, optional for the others at extra cost.
I would just like to know when is the WS integrated amp going to be available? I assume that it have a pre-in for the WS-preamp? I already have the WS-preamp, and currently looking for a power amp, driving a MA B2. Please let us know.
Thanks.
yes for the Bold 5, optional for the others at extra cost.
yes the WS integrated will still be available, maybe in the Feb/Mar timing. we are on a prototype version 3 and our master chef is fine tuning the amp to drive an MA B2 (thanks to iceman for lending his speakers)...it is meant to be a budget entry tube amp at the price of a ss amp.
while it is a (passive) integrated amp, the tono preamp will be highly recommended especially when driving speakers with <90db sens.
now how can anyone resist buying an amp that was tuned to his own speakers? ;D
Yo! MA Boys - something to look forward to. wala muna gift gift sa Valentines, candle light dinner for 2 at home na lang (para madinig pa rin yung amp & speakers) ;)
Due to the overwhelming response and requests we got on the special deal, we are pleased to announce that we will extend the offer to the first 12.
the Bold 5 will still get some extras (we will decide later)
the Magic 12 will avail of the same special price and NOS tubes
all 12 will get guaranteed NOS (New-Old-Stock) 6SL7 tubes and 5U4G rectifier tubes (valued at least 3k). Current production 300B tubes (p7K and up) are also included.
THE MAGIC 12
Bold 5
6. john 5479/toobsnewbie
7. Muttley
8. (name withheld upon request)
9.
10.
11.
12.
yehey!!! thanks sir v_d ;D ;D ;D kaya lang wala akong extra? pwede ba ako humingi ng extra :'(pls?
Due to the overwhelming response and requests we got on the special deal, we are pleased to announce that we will extend the offer to the first 12.
the Bold 5 will still get some extras (we will decide later)
the Magic 12 will avail of the same special price and NOS tubes
all 12 will get guaranteed NOS (New-Old-Stock) 6SL7 tubes and 5U4G rectifier tubes (valued at least 3k). Current production 300B tubes (p7K and up) are also included.
THE MAGIC 12
Bold 5
6. john 5479/toobsnewbie
7. Muttley
8. (name withheld upon request)
9.
10.
11.
12.
PS: the 300B prototype and the WS tono preamp is a perfect match...my S2s never sang the way it did tonight... 8)
....PS: the 300B prototype and the WS tono preamp is a perfect match...my S2s never sang the way it did tonight... 8)
so what is so different from the 2a3? this has deeper , thumping bass (though as it turned out - that was partly due to the tubes used)
soundstage is bigger, and (to me) had a more laid back sound. lucky are the guys who will get this.
hi raymond, thanks for the hospitality too...frankly, i was not expecting much from the S2 because i thought they were difficult to drive...but boy, was i proven wrong big time last night! ...you have your system in synergy and "in tune" in your room.
there was bass slam, pace, rhythm, deep soundstaging and seductive vocals.
enjoy the 300b over the new year...hope it won't induce withdrawal symptoms when we pick them up on the 2nd...hehehe
Hi guys!
I finally got my preamp last Dec. 30, and up to now i'm still in a state of euphoria, este, break-in pala! :) So how do I find the preamp?
- Around the first two hours, I noticed immediately the details that came, although, at first it was very harsh (kulang pa sa break-in eh). This was clearly heard with the plucking of strings and the cymbals. Dave Mathews and Tim Reynolds became more alive! Noticeable as well was the body, the music/instruments became more alive/real/mas buo.
- Gradually, as the break-in period set-in, the preamp became warmer. Harshness became tamer, but still, the details and body of the instruments stand out.
All I can say is, this pre-amp is so good, I can't do without it anymore (in my system). Every time I listen to my system, I discover new things with what I'm listening to that I never noticed before. Galing talaga!
Set-up (sorry, medyo entry level lang):
- Sony CD Player
- NAD 314 (I used this as my power amp)
- Van Den Hul D102 & Ecosse Composer ICs
- AAudio Speakers
- Eichman speaker cables
CDs (in general, acoustic music):
- Dave Mathews (Some Devil, Live with Tim Reynolds)
- Jobim Songbook
- Sergio Mendez
- Beatles (Abbey Road)
- Natalie Merchant (Ophelia)
Hi guys!
I finally got my preamp last Dec. 30, and up to now i'm still in a state of euphoria, este, break-in pala! :) So how do I find the preamp?
- Around the first two hours, I noticed immediately the details that came, although, at first it was very harsh (kulang pa sa break-in eh). This was clearly heard with the plucking of strings and the cymbals. Dave Mathews and Tim Reynolds became more alive! Noticeable as well was the body, the music/instruments became more alive/real/mas buo.
- Gradually, as the break-in period set-in, the preamp became warmer. Harshness became tamer, but still, the details and body of the instruments stand out.
All I can say is, this pre-amp is so good, I can't do without it anymore (in my system). Every time I listen to my system, I discover new things with what I'm listening to that I never noticed before. Galing talaga!
Set-up (sorry, medyo entry level lang):
- Sony CD Player
- NAD 314 (I used this as my power amp)
- Van Den Hul D102 & Ecosse Composer ICs
- AAudio Speakers
- Eichman speaker cables
CDs (in general, acoustic music):
- Dave Mathews (Some Devil, Live with Tim Reynolds)
- Jobim Songbook
- Sergio Mendez
- Beatles (Abbey Road)
- Natalie Merchant (Ophelia)
Symon,
Nice meeting you brod on Superman's den!!! Mine, hindi na ko sanay without the preamp connected with my receiver. 300b amp, it will be another setup hope to get.... :D :D :D
I will have to second the "pry the preamp from my cold dead hands" attitude. I have had the MA B2s for 2 weeks now and I was wondering where the harshness and thinness I heard in my Spectra audition went. Cristopher Cross and Metallica are listenable now without any fatigue setting in. My suspicions were confirmed when I tried to relink the pre and power sections of my NAD C320BEE. The preamp did it! Can't wait for the B2s to fully break in..OT.
OT.
bro,
finally you got your b2s, hehe. congrats and welcome to the club!!! pero na unahan mo ako sa ws preamp, tsk tsk tsk. am still contemplating the ws upgrade. am saving up for something else eh. :)
we're pleased to share this piece of good news from botching in saudi arabia:huhuhu, reading more reviews like this and i wont be able to hold back na. am saving up for something else kasi :( :( :(
"Congratulations and thanks to the WS diy team for the eagle-tono(with WS diy cable) has landed yesterday night in saudi arabia! This is a milestone - a first ever Pinoy design/made audio gear to reach this shore, ever :) My wife liked the violet interconnect. It looks so pretty daw.
First i was really relieved when i started the tono and it worked perfectly. i'm a little bit anxious that it might be damaged during transit.
Its really fantastic! i never expected it to be this good. Using MF a3 integrated + MF fcd tube cdp (tele ecc88with janphilips 6922 low noise for tube rolling later) + concertino and epos 11 (c/o deep purple. actually its gift from him. he's migrating to canada next week and he's here with me now. Problema! gustong isama ang tono sa toronto. I told him padadalhan ko na lang sya doon later.
I'm using the WS interconnect between cdp and preamp. Then a vandelhul 102Mk3 for tono to mf a3 connected to cd input. I'll do evaluation of testing of cables later i'm just enjoying the music now.
Just shifted all audio gears to sala. 6 meters x 5 meters approx and 1 meter away from front wall. Speakers aroung 2.2 meters apart from center of the room
Most notable improvements:
1. imaging - more body to instruments and added flesh to the singers
2. walls, ceiling disappeared
3. wider, deeper soundstage
4. bass weight improved, dont know how, tubes not supposed to, but it did
5. images almost tangible now
6. i could now imagine the recording venues wheter live or in a studio.
7. Tono seemed to bring forth details and ambience that before were very faint
8. I can now magine the singers and performers in front of me without having to close my eyes
9. The cymbal especially brush really shimmers, send shivers in my spine sometimes
And this is just after a couple of hours of listening with the tono still unbroken!
More reviews from kababayan here will follow.
Excellent job WS diy team! Tono will soon conquer the middle east ! To infinity and beyond ! :D :D :D"
vintage,
you are probably referring to another WS project coz the original price of the tono preamp was P8,250, right bro?
no, 8,250 was the special introductory price for the tono when we first started. but anyway, to avoid confusion, i have modified the announcement above...
no, 8,250 was the special introductory price for the tono when we first started. but anyway, to avoid confusion, i have modified the announcement above...
any update on the 300B project??? 8)
Wiredstate team
Would like to thank you guys for making the 300B a reality for us newbie sa tube and set.. and providing us the 300B for home audition..
my impression and expectation of the 300B was soaring although have not own a set amp... excited on whats in store for me, when i got to Sir Akyat condo i openly suggest if we can hear it before we proceed to Narayan house..and as two lucky guys we hurried up to his house and hook it up and match it with Pioneer DVD and Monitor Audio B2
We played OPM accoustic 1st this recording when played on a SS amp would sometimes bright.. but with the 300B were both startled and astounded with the fine detail and clarity with no sign of brightness. akyat said... pare ayos ito ah.. iba pala...still amazed and shaking my head told akyat to move to track 3 NIna's jealeous... and mmmhh hay... swabe!!! 8) 8)
then James16 arrived sat and listen pre yan yun WS 300B ah galing ah.. we almost finish the accoustic cd.. and got an itch to play orchestra music.. james put out his VCD soundtrack..
este CD soundtrack pala.. play pearl harbor soundtrack and the 300B gives the music a diff attack and rendetion :o :o we tried to push the volume to see if it can handle but i feel this track provide the amp a hell of work that some part got distortion.. nevertheless this track should be played with the sub on to max the music..so we fix the volume to moderate..
now i know that the SET amp are for mature and serious type of music lovers and not for party man..kaya step aside and give way coz its coming mabigat kasi eh ;D ;D
Thanks ulit Sir VD
Wiredstate team
Would like to thank you guys for making the 300B a reality for us newbie sa tube and set.. and providing us the 300B for home audition..
my impression and expectation of the 300B was soaring although have not own a set amp... excited on whats in store for me, when i got to Sir Akyat condo i openly suggest if we can hear it before we proceed to Narayan house..and as two lucky guys we hurried up to his house and hook it up and match it with Pioneer DVD and Monitor Audio B2
We played OPM accoustic 1st this recording when played on a SS amp would sometimes bright.. but with the 300B were both startled and astounded with the fine detail and clarity with no sign of brightness. akyat said... pare ayos ito ah.. iba pala...still amazed and shaking my head told akyat to move to track 3 NIna's jealeous... and mmmhh hay... swabe!!! 8) 8)
then James16 arrived sat and listen pre yan yun WS 300B ah galing ah.. we almost finish the accoustic cd.. and got an itch to play orchestra music.. james put out his VCD soundtrack..
este CD soundtrack pala.. play pearl harbor soundtrack and the 300B gives the music a diff attack and rendetion :o :o we tried to push the volume to see if it can handle but i feel this track provide the amp a hell of work that some part got distortion.. nevertheless this track should be played with the sub on to max the music..so we fix the volume to moderate..
now i know that the SET amp are for mature and serious type of music lovers and not for party man..kaya step aside and give way coz its coming mabigat kasi eh ;D ;D
Thanks ulit Sir VD
Boos V_D,
Me running list pa ba after the 300B's "dirty dozen"? :)
Guys,
you can text me 0922-8061238.
pre - nakanino na yung 300b? ty :)
update:
300b amp - best estimate is end-Feb/early-March...delays due to manufacture/chroming of chassis... :(
EL34 integrated amp - prototype on bare chassis now with me ready for audition! :)
superman, once again, thank you for hosting the next listening session at your home...we'll have bothe the 300b amp and the EL34 integrated amp ready!
cheers!
For you guys who will be lucky to audition the WS projects, I hope your can post your impressions ASAP. I am more interested in the integrated amp (due to budget limitation) and hope you can pair it with MA B2 in your session.
Thanks
Mga sir, ask ko lang po. I know many of you here owns a tube gear, can you please share some thoughts on how reliable is a tube gear, like preamps and amps? Im just thinking if ever i decided to buy, ??? ss reciever or a tube gears? especially yung mga entry level lang po. Thanks.
Hi Jen,
Let me know kung kelan, Im interested, thanks.
Boos V_D,
Me running list pa ba after the 300B's "dirty dozen"? :)
bro. vrion...
please feel free to join us on february 28, 2004...text me to confirm your attendance...thanks! 8)
superman 8)
bro,
might as well join us sa listening session para you'll "hear" the difference...you're always welcome to join us...just PM or text me...thanks! 8)
superman 8)
:(Sir gusto ko na nga rin sanang makasama sa listening sessions na tulad nito especially with tube gears kaso problema kay misis eh. Hirap magpaalam, siguro pag ready na kong bumili may reason na ako kasi for sure sa isip non lakwatsa lang ang gagawin ko. :-\ for now research muna ako..reliability ang inuuna kong alamin coz gusto ko makakasama ko ng matagal ang bibilhin ko eh. Thanks bro. :)
hey superman i'll be coming earlier, nandyan na ako sa pinas on feb 26 so maybe i can join your session on 28.
what time ang session and what's your address pre ?
so far, the following have confirmed their attendance on the 28th:
1) iceman90a
2) vrion
3) yukon
thanks! 8)
4) botching
pwede pa ba sumama ?
there are some questions kasi that can be accurately answered only during the listening session, some can be answered by theory, but experience is still the best teacher...plus, of course, the wiredstate gurus are also joining us...as for reliability...all WS products are 100% reliable, lifetime free service (tama ba sir V_D???) pa...anyway, do let us know na lang...thanks! 8)
superman 8)
hi! pwede rin ba akong sumali? saan yung place?
well, baka hindi naman 100%...tubes, caps may fail due to manufacturing defect, but we guarantee them 90 days with full replacement...labor and service are free for life (for so long as we are still alive) ;D
but what sets our products apart from those commercially available are:
- quality parts. even some imported amps do NOT have the same parts as we do
- quality circuit - made by the WS DIY group...fully tested and improved until we are all satisfied...
- quality sound - now you decide. our tono preamp was compared with much more expensive gear and the tono easily competes and beats most of them
- quality construction - point to point wiring, neat and well-planned lay-out minus the clutter...
- quality service. immediate replacement of defective units within 90 days. we guarantee lifetime service for free (except parts).
- quality price - now compare them to importad named brands, and you know what i mean.
well, baka hindi naman 100%...tubes, caps may fail due to manufacturing defect, but we guarantee them 90 days with full replacement...labor and service are free for life (for so long as we are still alive) ;D
but what sets our products apart from those commercially available are:
- quality parts. even some imported amps do NOT have the same parts as we do
- quality circuit - made by the WS DIY group...fully tested and improved until we are all satisfied...
- quality sound - now you decide. our tono preamp was compared with much more expensive gear and the tono easily competes and beats most of them
- quality construction - point to point wiring, neat and well-planned lay-out minus the clutter...
- quality service. immediate replacement of defective units within 90 days. we guarantee lifetime service for free (except parts).
- quality price - now compare them to importad named brands, and you know what i mean.
so far, the following have confirmed their attendance on the 28th:
1) iceman90a
2) vrion
3) yukon
4) isak0411
thanks! 8)
my experience with the MA B2 - it is more difficult to drive than the Infinity Kappa, JBL LX2002, or heck even a Spendor S3/5 at 84dB sensitivity. my BOSE 301 Continental is easier to drive. :o
...but i did not answer your question. i will have an answer for you real soon.
isak0411, julsp168...see you on the 28th! thanks! 8)
bro isak...sama ka pala...pasabay ako para makapakinig ng WS...
bro superman...ok lang ba sumama...
thanks...
bro isak...sama ka pala...pasabay ako para makapakinig ng WS...
bro superman...ok lang ba sumama...
thanks...
duon naman kaya tayo magsugba ng baboy at manok?...
heheh...
sagot mo ba yung baboy na ilelechon natin :D magdala tayo ng ihawan, baka murahin tayo ni Superman pag nag bonfire tayo sa bubong nila ;D (di ba Scout Master?)
sagot mo ba yung baboy na ilelechon natin :D magdala tayo ng ihawan, baka murahin tayo ni Superman pag nag bonfire tayo sa bubong nila ;D (di ba Scout Master?)
bro isak...sama ka pala...pasabay ako para makapakinig ng WS...
bro superman...ok lang ba sumama...
thanks...
Coming very soon: The Tono 300B Amp!
Only limited quantities available and by invitation only to WS supporters.
For info, the Tono 300B Amp will only be sold exclusively to existing Tono preamp users.
This is a gift to the local audiophile community by the DIY-hard members at Wiredstate.
Yahoo! patience is indeed rewarded (teka sama ako dyan di ba Sir?)
first unit to be available/ready for the listening session at superman's, but most units will be available early March...
Good news to the Magic 12 who pre-ordered the "Tono 300B" amp:
Your unit will have the highly acclaimed Mesh-plate with Titanium oxide coating 300b!!
(http://www.diyhifisupply.com/images/tube_supplies/titanium300b.JPG)
Tubes have been ordered and being curved-traced using the sophisticated Sofia tube tester for perfect matching! These are Class A select tubes, NOT SECONDS! NO existing commercial 300b tube amp locally offers this tube. They are yours as a bonus! We took the hit on exchange rate and higher cost to give a smile on your faces. Don't settle for anything less!
WS GUARANTEES PREMIUM PARTS EVEN SURPASSING AMPS COSTING 2-5 TIMES MORE!!!
Find out if your amp has:
- Point-to-point wiring
- premium wires used
- AURICAP coupling
- BLACKGATE bias caps
- NOS 6SL7 (NOT RUSSIAN OR CHINESE) TUBES
- NOS RECTIFIER TUBES (NOT chinese or russian)
- heavy duty gold-plated binding posts and RCAs
- TITANIUM COATED MESH PLATE 300B TUBES
- ceramic sockets!
WS exclusive designs (not clones of others) - fully tested! High-end sound without the attitude :-)
Listen and believe!
CURVE TRACING TONO 300B TUBES BY DIYHIFISUPPLY:
"Many questions about tube testing and matching have been asked. I use a Sofia tube tester. This machine offers a number of advantages over traditional tube testers.
1. It is fully programmable which means any filament voltage, B+ and bias voltage can be dialed in by the accompanying software.
2. Rather than just a good/?/bad reading or a single point Gm it outputs a multiple operating point curve trace which reveals problems that may be missed by other tube testers. For example the first of an 11 point curve trace for a 300B tube could start with an applied bias of -20V and a B+ of 75V. The B+ is continuously increased up to 225V producing a curve showing the current flow at any voltage between 75 and 225V. This is repeated at 11 different bias V from -20 to -150V with each incremental increase in bias voltage accompanied by an incremental increase in B+ until the last trace which would be operating at -100V and 350 to 450V B+. A curve trace looks like this:
(http://www.diyhifisupply.com/images/tube_supplies/emap0000.gif)
3. This method of testing reveals many anomalies not shown by ordinary testers. Those testers may match two tubes with the same matching Gm based on single point testing but a Sofia trace curve reveals major differences at other operating points proving that the tubes are not really a good match overall. Also, a tube may test with a 'good' Gm but a curve trace of that tube may produce an output that is 'S' shaped, meaning that at higher B+ voltages the tube isn't passing proportionately higher levels of plate current. It can be expected that in operation that tube will perform in a distorted non-linear fashion. Sometimes even new tubes show this condition.
(http://www.diyhifisupply.com/images/tube_supplies/tube2.gif)
For example the second curve trace shows two tubes which match at a nominal B+ and bias voltage around 50ma. The curve trace shows some non-linearities at other voltages not revealed by single-point matching.
4. The Sofia's software program produces the most accurate matching over a wide range of operating points. When a new batch of tubes arrives, I run a curve trace on all the tubes. The software program then matches the best pairs (or quads) calculating the match based on tube performance over the full range of operating conditions. No two tubes are ever perfect but any two tubes that match with 200 points of variance on the Sofia scale are very closely matched. I would not sell tubes with greater than 400 points of variance as a matched set even though single point testing may show a closely matched Gm.
5. All curve taces are stored on computer so that a matching tube can be supplied if one of a set is DOA or otherwise defective."
someone asked: "So what's coming after the WS Tono 300B amp?"
watch out for the....
Wiredstate Tono ST70 amp....
a 35 watts per channel tube amp with premium parts that is meant to rock the market and beat the hell out of anything you've heard anywhere at the same price point...
NO local amp can claim same parts quality as WS!
thinking of buying a tube PP amp? think again what you'll be missing if you get something else.... ;D
save your money for the ultimate...don't waste them on amps with inferior parts which you will end up selling a month later....
delivery: late march or april...
sound: to be tuned to compete with the classic Dynaco ST70 and the Eico HF87!
price? that's the biggest surprise! ;)
hi sir!
when's the prototype available??? abot kaya sa listening session??? thanks! 8)
prototype in march...session to be done at home....
someone asked: "So what's coming after the WS Tono 300B amp?"
watch out for the....
Wiredstate Tono ST70 amp!
a 35 watts per channel tube amp with premium parts that is meant to rock the market and beat the hell out of anything you've heard anywhere at the same price point...
NO local amp can claim same parts quality as WS!
thinking of buying a tube PP amp? think again what you'll be missing if you get something else.... ;D
save your money for the ultimate...don't waste them on amps with inferior parts which you will end up selling a month later....
delivery: late march or april...
sound: to be tuned to compete with the classic Dynaco ST70 and the Eico HF87!
price? that's the biggest surprise! ;)
someone asked: "So what's coming after the WS Tono 300B amp?"
watch out for the....
[size=18]Wiredstate Tono ST70 amp![/size]
a 35 watts per channel tube amp with premium parts that is meant to rock the market and beat the hell out of anything you've heard anywhere at the same price point...
NO local amp can claim same parts quality as WS!
delivery: late march or april...
sound: to be tuned to compete with the classic Dynaco ST70 and the Eico HF87!
price? that's the biggest surprise! ;)
sir,
:o :o :o
what are your plans, series 1 or 2?
galeng nyo talaga...
8)
just want to know-who has the WS300B prototype na? would like to have an audition at home over this weekend sana ???
With regret, the WS DIY Team has decided last night NOT to release the Penthode SE (single-ended) Integrated Amp as scheduled this month.
Reason: It did not meet our standards for a tube amp worthy of the name "Tono". The DIY Team is committed to only release products that meet the highest standard of technical and sonic quality. Your guarantee that what you get is only the best available in the market.
...at least we're guaranteed to get the BEST...so, are we still pushing thru with the listening session??? sir, will the 300B be ready by the 28th??? or is it still the prototype???
thanks and god bless! 8)
yes, of course.
the 300b will be out by then. i can also bring the prototype SE amp, just for comparison.
yes, of course.
the 300b will be out by then. i can also bring the prototype SE amp, just for comparison.
kung kailangan nyo ng tulong magbuhat Sir, pwede ko daanan ahead of time (like monday) ;D
WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101
Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:
- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths: Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session
Place: Mickey's office. QC
Date: to be announced. this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm
WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101
Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:
- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths: Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session
Place: Mickey's office. QC
Date: to be announced. this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm
WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101
Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:
- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths: Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session
Place: Mickey's office. QC
Date: to be announced. this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm
WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101
Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:
- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths: Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session
Place: Mickey's office. QC
Date: to be announced. this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm
guys,
the WS300B prototype is with me for the weekend. you may pm me or text me at 0917-8080242 if you want to be next in line. thanks ;)
WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101
hi guys!
this is the tentative list of "participants" for the february 28 listening session at my place...session starts at 7:00pm...up to sawa...
1. sir vintage_dog
2. iceman90a
3. geko
4. julsp168
5. yukon
6. symon
7. vrion
8. botching (tentative)
9. jvm
10. isak0411
11. qguy
12. blade
13. lance (tentative)
14. lomi (tentative)
sir toobs might also join us according to symon...calling edboy7, j_albert22, hans adriane, akyatbundok, james16, nels76, s2kov...aren't you going to join us???
thanks and god bless! see you all! 8)
PS: please bring addiitional food or drinks na lang for the group...PM me kung ano balak niyo dalhin para wala duplication...thanks again! 8)
superman 8)
TUBES 101
Interested:
1. geko
2. superman
3. voelker
4. icemen90a
5. s2kov
6. homer
7. audioslave
8. yukon
9. julsP168
10. NARAYAN
11. blade
12. bruno
13. ARE
14. KD
15. isak0411
hi guys!
anybody else who would like to join the listening session on the 28th at vintage_dog's abode??? please let us know so we could arrange for a meeting place and time...we can all meet at startbucks madrigal avenue branch...beside HSBC and franck provost...thanks and god bless! 8)
superman 8)
your treat at starbucks? ;D
TUBES 101
Interested:
1. geko
2. superman
3. voelker
4. icemen90a
5. s2kov
6. homer
7. audioslave
8. yukon
9. julsP168
10. NARAYAN
11. blade
12. bruno
13. ARE
14. KD
15. Muttley
hi guys!
this is the tentative list of "participants" for the february 28 listening session at my place...session starts at 7:00pm...up to sawa...
1. sir vintage_dog
2. iceman90a
3. geko
4. julsp168
5. yukon
6. symon
7. vrion
8. botching (tentative)
9. jvm
10. isak0411
11. qguy
12. blade
13. lance (tentative)
14. lomi (tentative)
15. Muttley (tentative)
WIREDSTATE EDUCATION SERIES: TUBES 101
Please sign-up if interested to attend the first session covering:
- Intro to Audio
- Facts and Myths: Tubes and Solid State
- Basic Tube designs
- Q/A
- Listening session
Place: Mickey's office. QC
Date: to be announced. this will be on a Saturday, beginning at 10am to 4pm
hi guys!
anybody else who would like to join the listening session on the 28th at vintage_dog's abode??? please let us know so we could arrange for a meeting place and time...we can all meet at startbucks madrigal avenue branch...beside HSBC and franck provost...thanks and god bless! 8)
superman 8)
Hi bro
I'm joining, in case di ako maka login next few days, please text me the final meeting place and time.
Salamat :)
hi guys!
this is the tentative list of "participants" for the february 28 listening session at my place...session starts at 7:00pm...up to sawa...
1. sir vintage_dog
2. iceman90a
3. geko
4. julsp168
5. yukon
6. symon
7. vrion
8. botching (tentative)
9. jvm
10. isak0411
11. qguy
12. blade
13. lance (tentative)
14. lomi (tentative)
15.edboy7(tentative)
16. s2kov(tentative)
sir toobs might also join us according to symon...calling edboy7, j_albert22, hans adriane, akyatbundok, james16, nels76, s2kov...aren't you going to join us???
thanks and god bless! see you all! 8)
PS: please bring addiitional food or drinks na lang for the group...PM me kung ano balak niyo dalhin para wala duplication...thanks again! 8)
superman 8)
lapit na, post kayo ng reviews ha... sayang me lakad ako sa evening, sa daytime ko bulabugin ang neighbors.
session is open 7pm down. folks are welcome to hang-out until the wee hours of the morning; seriously, 3am is fine :)
which now gets me to the next question: apart from listening to the new Tono 300b SET amp, what other gear would you like to listen to?
- analog?
- voigts?
- vintage amps?
- push pull amps?
- sonus and spendors?
- classic klipsch?
- other SETs?
- vintage altec speakers?
- fostex mini-voigts?
- dynacos and eicos?
make sure you bring your favorite CDs/LPs too.
session is open 7pm down. folks are welcome to hang-out until the wee hours of the morning; seriously, 3am is fine :)
which now gets me to the next question: apart from listening to the new Tono 300b SET amp, what other gear would you like to listen to?
- analog?
- voigts?
- sonus and spendors?
- classic klipsch?
- other SETs?
- vintage altec speakers?
make sure you bring your favorite CDs/LPs too.
session is open 7pm down. folks are welcome to hang-out until the wee hours of the morning; seriously, 3am is fine :)
which now gets me to the next question: apart from listening to the new Tono 300b SET amp, what other gear would you like to listen to?
- analog?
- voigts?
- vintage amps?
- push pull amps?
- sonus and spendors?
- other SETs?
- fostex mini-voigts?
- dynacos and eicos?
make sure you bring your favorite CDs/LPs too.
session is open 7pm down. folks are welcome to hang-out until the wee hours of the morning; seriously, 3am is fine :)
which now gets me to the next question: apart from listening to the new Tono 300b SET amp, what other gear would you like to listen to?
- analog?
- voigts?
- vintage amps?
- push pull amps?
- sonus and spendors?
- classic klipsch?
- other SETs?
- vintage altec speakers?
- fostex mini-voigts?
- dynacos and eicos?
make sure you bring your favorite CDs/LPs too.
hi! mukhang hindi ako makaka-attend ng listening session on Saturday...
kasi, our management called for a brainstorming session this Friday & Saturday. mukhang late na kami matatapos ng Saturday.
inis nga, eh, dahil, tagal kong hinintay 'to... aaarrrgghhh!
fyi lang. :'(
hi! mukhang hindi ako makaka-attend ng listening session on Saturday...
kasi, our management called for a brainstorming session this Friday & Saturday. mukhang late na kami matatapos ng Saturday.
inis nga, eh, dahil, tagal kong hinintay 'to... aaarrrgghhh!
fyi lang. :'(
you can always drop-by kahit na late....remember, session extends through sunday 3am! ;)
IMPORTANT:
can the orig Magic 12 guys pls reconfirm their order for the 300b amp. the special offer (price) only applies to the Magic 12; a few others would like to take your reservation if you back-out. send me a PM asap. if we don't hear from you, we will release your unit to others.
production in progress. first unit (all black with gold faceplate) will be out this saturday! all units will be chrome-plated.
IMPORTANT:
can the orig Magic 12 guys pls reconfirm their order for the 300b amp. the special offer (price) only applies to the Magic 12; a few others would like to take your reservation if you back-out. send me a PM asap. if we don't hear from you, we will release your unit to others.
production in progress. first unit (all black with gold faceplate) will be out this saturday! all units will be chrome-plated.
Tono 300B amp #1 is now up and singing! ;D
this has an all-black chassis with gold-plated faceplate.
all other units will be chrome-plated..
see you all tomorrow evening...
bro. iceman90a...can you post some pics from the session last night???
sir V_D...as usual, many thanks for being a gracious host...sarap talaga nung chicken sandwich...i'm sure nag-enjoy si yukon...busog nga siya kagabi eh, hehehehe!
thanks to the "first-timers" who joined...and of course to the wiredstate gurus, sir V_D, sir toobs, sir choobs, darth hansen, bogart (with nico), sir tongki...everyone...thanks, thanks, thanks!
botching, ano, chrome pa ba or black???
thanks! 8)
Am now listening to Iceman's Asian Roots... now my ampons-left-and-right really are singing, loud and clear, ...and deep. whooooaa!!!
kopya ko rin lang yan tsaka nag iisang kopya ko yan ha... baka di bumalik...... voigt na voigt ba dating? baka mapalayas ka nyan ;D
thanks to the "first-timers" who joined...
thanks! 8)
after consulting with majority of you interested in the 300b amp, we have decided to release the Tono 300B exclusively with classic black chassis and transformer cover and with gold-plated faceplate. 8)
mga sirs,
wala parin ang review ninyo sa mga equipment na na-audition last EB ke Sir VD's Place. n saka ano ano iyon.
Thanks
Living room set-up
Amps:
1. WS 300b - ang pogi! elegante dating with the black chassis, cover and gold face plate
2. Joe3rp's turbo charged - WS TB2a3 (may NOS yata yun - parang fast n the furious nung nakakabit sa MV ;D )
Speakers:
1. Ike's Voigts
2. WS Mini-voigts with fostex drivers
3. Tannoy Stirling
4. Monitor Audio S1
5. SF Concerto
Sir ICE, How's the tono paired with the SF Concerto? D ko na inabot eh. Am planning to use SF Concertino
I am not sure how SF Concertinos would fare - but the Concerto's got a little boomy when played loud. this probably meant that the amp wasn't driving the woofers fast enough to snap them back to position...
maybe Sir VD can explain further...
Sir ICE, How's the tono paired with the SF Concerto? D ko na inabot eh. Am planning to use SF Concertino
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgCiAgMXnqR*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS19GSBU1RXh6mqIe*tdZy6zLMzQ*giPPHQVpDVZjaP3*J9jJeuz7xjqNQ6nD56x3!rWzrnO*IVGiksKGJZYeT8r*rLlAn1dsHi/Resize%20of%20DSC01487.JPG?dc=4675462125791708086)
ito pala iyong 300b ganda pala
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgALAwAX7aN*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1GP6LR6DKudaJ4w!UcAK04QqfwEcJxxgLb!StKSJdw2z0R388lDTSlcVU*wXA5eQARfEvnAuK23ZvqCCcqpkmVMLmmIrKLs!B/Resize%20of%20DSC01484.JPG?dc=4675462125777189506)
speakers galore!!! - sir v_d's voigts, sir v_d's mini-voigts, sir ed's tannoy stirling (pahiram naman!, hehehe!), iceman90a's monitor audio s2 (kapatid ng speakers ko!)
Coming soon....
Stereo 70 (30-35wpc), push-pull amp
Built for hard-to-drive speakers: LS3/5A, Sonus Faber, Dynaudio, most other commercial speakers of 85db sensitivity and above...
Same chassis design as the Tono 300B
Quality/premium parts
Superb sound (guaranteed or we don't sell)
Exclusive WS DIY design
Limited production. Special introductory price for the first 8 units only. (Priority to be given to existing Tono fans)
thanks for the reply sir...sent you another PM...by the way, any hint on more or less how much this amp would cost??? thanks again! 8)
we can't publish the price yet but will send you an indication via PM. keep them confidential for now. :-)
we can't publish the price yet but will send you an indication via PM. keep them confidential for now. :-)
see you all tomorrow:
free session for beginners on tube audio
free hand-outs
free food
meet the gurus and DIY-kids of Wiredstate and your fellow Pinoydiophiles and PinoyDVDers...
we will also have an audio set-up to play around with...
8)
question...how is the payment done?? can it be by terms?? ::)
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VgBlctcYfiTdKRZdYeu6EZ0ToTacgE9nQeGcXhLFxy!ySOA74U0UXV*90CkovDUenuR8JK3UdnYTI1A53SfqXr!1GS*cKYMvMJ8pJ*oz4QETDO*LhY!MwH0pzLfD4kS7/Tono%20300B%20Front%20View.jpg?dc=4675463246405596655)
thank you to the magic 12. we will start serving your orders beginning next week at the rate of 1 unit every 2 days. all amps undergo extensive testing by the DIY team.
to those who are ordering only now, Tono 300B has a new (higher) price (PM us for details). the good news is that we will provide the same tubes as those in the first 12.
maraming salamat!
question...how is the payment done?? can it be by terms?? ::)
to all,
thanks for your patience...we experienced some delays again due to parts upgrades...we are adding new parts: japan-made heavy-duty hum pots, UK-made aluminum clad cathode resistors, france-made switches! faceplate has bigger fonts, vents are bigger, chassis cover thicker, and chassis has new labels...
this amp is getting to be a dream machine which will put to shame most imported amps!
we gave the new amp a listen and it has a lower noise-floor, fantastic dynamics (it can drive my SF concertos!), very sweet midrange, super wide and deep soundstage....
in fact, we are so thrilled with this amp we will give one for free to the first person who can show us any commercially available amp (at the same price range) that sounds better and has better build-quality than the Tono 300B...
superman's unit is ready for pick-up tomorrow after a complete check-up! next 2 persons on queue will get their units by weekend :-)
Tono 300B amp: Did I miss out anyone?
1. botching (for saudi)
2. SUPERMAN - taken
3. jojie
4. KD
5. HKfoam
6. reserved
7. Muttley
8. choobs
9. jay_cee_em
10. HotonE
11. Tongki
12. iceman
13. vrion
14. john 5479/toobsnewbie
15. reserved
16. doc john (for usa)
tryman, you take fantastic shots...very creative on the Tono...what cam do you use?
VD,
Pangunahan ko na si Tryaudio... he works as a porno este photographer for an major international news agency.
Sir Vintage,
Thanks for the compliment!....maybe if I get other WS projects then I could play with it more..(do I hear discounts) :)
-I used a Nikon D1 with a 14mm 2.8 lens for all the shots :)
whoa! a 14mm!!...you mean this:
(http://mikeli.image.pbase.com/u38/equipment/small/25093251.1925NAS_360.jpg)
that's a dream lens! anyway, any chance you can help shoot our Tono 300B amp?
(http://mk31.image.pbase.com/u42/tryaudio/large/27235319.justtrippin.jpg)
sir VD,
sure! I'd be honored to do that for WS. I'm shooting mostly digital cameras..is that ok with you?
thanks
perfect! will contact you soon... :-)
Arnoldc & Vintage dog,
Ganda talaga!! dapat ma-audition ulit yan...
the 300b is hard to beat in the area of musicality, tone definition, midrange magic, even bass extension, etc...but let your ears decide. :-)
i agree with sir VD...for the price, it's a steal! those who would like to give it a listen, let me know...thanks! 8)
What tube complements are you using?
bro. tuff...all NOS...driver is NOS Jan Philips 6SL7...rectifier is NOS Sylvania 5U4G...but will use RCA Red Base 6SL7 and Mullard 5U4 as well...thanks! 8)
i agree with sir VD...for the price, it's a steal! those who would like to give it a listen, let me know...thanks! 8)
congrats nga pala! maganda yang sylvania! what 300b tube are you using btw?
ako game ako1:) jsut text me at 09193560397
i heard the previous version but i do understand this one has modificatoins on it
superman,
Pre was discussing with Iceman last Saturday of a possible gate crashing session at your tower hehehe..
Hi guys!
The Super Tono 300B is now singing at Superman's Tower...I've talked to Iceman90a and mentioned to him that we can have a listening session cum summer party (naks!)...now, for those interested, please let me know which schedule is OK for you...let's choose between:
1) April 16, 2004 (Friday) around 7:00pm onwards
2) April 30, 2004 (Friday) around 7:00pm onwards
please feel free to sign-in if you want to join the "tower gathering"
paging iceman90a, julsp168, geko, yukon, s2kov, edboy7, vrion, jvm, j_albert22, symon, james16, akyatbundok, hans & france, narayan, sebman, etc...
hope iceman90a can bring his S1 and his "new source", geko naman his "new vintage speakers"...by the way, yukon, geko, iceman90a , symon and julsp168...may utang pa ko sa niyo (alam niyo na yun...hehehe!)...thanks and god bless! 8) [/i]
superloverboy este superman 8)
to all 300b amp current (and would be) owners:
please make sure you install the 300b pins correctly into the sockets. the fat pins should be nearest the front. installing it incorrectly will smoke your amp! 2 amps were already damaged because of this.
:o :o :o
Got my tono 300b last friday, Thanks sir Ed ;)
My set up:
Tono 300B
Tono pre-amp
Sony SCD-XE670
Sonus Faber Concertino
XLO-Pro spkr wire
Monster Cable Interconnect
Am using the 8 ohm speaker tap.
:) :) :)
taken:
SUPERMAN
jojie
KD
Muttley
jay_cee_em
HotonE
for pick-up:
choobs
Tongki
vrion
pls contact ed asap:
HKfoam
next deliveries:
john 5479/toobsnewbie
pparungao
macolive
for export:
doc john (110-120v for usa)
amandarae (110-120v for usa)
botching (for saudi)[/b]
ty mga bro :D
pag gusto nyo pumasyal minsan - set natin :)
set natin, kung kailan pwede - huwag lang this sat, next weekend baka pwede :D
thanks bro!...balitaan mo na lang kami... ;D
thanks bro!...balitaan mo na lang kami... ;D
Hi guys!
The Super Tono 300B is now singing at Superman's Tower...I've talked to Iceman90a and mentioned to him that we can have a listening session cum summer party (naks!)...now, for those interested, please let me know which schedule is OK for you...let's choose between:
1) April 16, 2004 (Friday) around 7:00pm onwards
2) April 30, 2004 (Friday) around 7:00pm onwards
please feel free to sign-in if you want to join the "tower gathering"
paging iceman90a, julsp168, geko, yukon, s2kov, edboy7, vrion, jvm, j_albert22, symon, james16, akyatbundok, hans & france, narayan, sebman, etc...
hope iceman90a can bring his S1 and his "new source", geko naman his "new vintage speakers"...by the way, yukon, geko, iceman90a , symon and julsp168...may utang pa ko sa niyo (alam niyo na yun...hehehe!)...thanks and god bless! 8) [/i]
superloverboy este superman 8)
hi guys!
with the sked this week, i don't hink we can have alistening session this friday...best bet is april 30...thanks! 8)
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hi sups,
how would you like to try this out during your session....
70 big watts of tube power.... 8)
is this the "Tono ST 70" ?
how does it fare versus the other popular St-70 ? brand withheld..hehehe
hi sups,
how would you like to try this out during your session....
70 big watts of tube power.... 8)
care to divulge more about the el34 amp on the pic? is this diy?
care to divulge more about the el34 amp on the pic? is this diy?
hey iceman90a,
just wana know kng how much yung tono300b? any reviews
would you know how was it match with the tinos? thanks sir.
peace man
-doughn
hi - i think its now at the regular price of 40k... pm vintage dog for more details :) for info on compatibility with SF Tinos, Muttley is enjoying that combo :) you can get more info from him as well pasensya ka na kung puro pasa ha, sure kasi mas masasagot nila tanong mo :)
reviews - my current combo is heaven and hell, well made cd's sound great - poor recordings (like those made from MP3 transferred to CD) sound very flat and harsh :(
thanks for the info. more power :)
peace bro
-doughn
hi sups,
how would you like to try this out during your session....
70 big watts of tube power.... 8)
(http://www.wiredstate.com/gallery/albums/album13/PP_AMP.sized.jpg)
hi - i think its now at the regular price of 40k... pm vintage dog for more details :) for info on compatibility with SF Tinos, Muttley is enjoying that combo :) you can get more info from him as well pasensya ka na kung puro pasa ha, sure kasi mas masasagot nila tanong mo :)
reviews - my current combo is heaven and hell, well made cd's sound great - poor recordings (like those made from MP3 transferred to CD) sound very flat and harsh :(
this is an EL34 PP amp using the legendary late '50s transformers of the Eico. The chassis is Eico, but the power supply circuit is different, the circuit is modified and the operating voltages are different.
this amp will serve as our reference PP amp at Wiredstate. so far, no stereo EL34 PP amp (vintage or modern) i own or heard comes close to this one.
Tono 300b users,
thanks for your support. all local orders have now been served. :)
units for USA will soon be ready!
for those interested, a special Tono preamp+Tono 300b combo will be made for the serious audiophile at a special price.
2 sets of the Tono preamp+300b will be made available in early May.
good news!
the Tono preamp and Tono 300b amp will soon be reviewed (and hopefully featured) in a US-based international audio magazine!
...more later! :)[/color]
sir question lang and its a matter of curiosity ? Sir ano po ba ang magandang pair nang speaker na compatible sa tono 300B amp? ano po ba ang spec nang tono 300B? thanks
the super tono 300B is getting better and better everyday...parang alak, mas matagal mas masarap...haaaay!...kakain-love ang tunog...thanks talaga to the wiredstate team for this superb product...
hoping to "tube-roll" in the next few weeks...plus will also try "new gears" paired withe the super tono 300B...a tube CDP and hi-efficiency speakers maybe??? ;D ;D ;D
bro,
let me make a guess... the jolida jd100 cdp and maybe klipsch speakers ::)
Superman,
O_ _ _ _ ba speaker na palit mo pre?? ;D ;D
"Rivoed" Cayin CDT-15A at O_ _ _ _ speakers ba, sir? :D :D
There's only one problem with my unit. And not a minor one as it imparts a grainy texture to the overall sound. One of the 12AU7's has an abnormally high hiss/noise level(like crackling/frying sound) that is audible in my listening position about seven feet from the affected speaker channel.
I'm using the tono preamp to drive the power amp section of my integrated Yamaha AX-1200 (only sold in Japan).
same volume setting as yours but it'ok with me! i would not say it's a mismatch. it just means that the tono preamp has enough headroom to drive even low sensitivity power amps.
....we'll replace the tubes with a fresh pair - NOS of course.
the installed tubes were somehow NOT the original ones we mark all the tubes that go with our tono, and the mark was no longer there.
Vintage Dog,
Sir VD meron ba? can't remember mine with a mark? o baka i forgot lang.. :D
beauty!
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/tono5.jpg)
now that i have "longer" time now and tapos na enrollment, its time to plan for a new project. >:D
research muna tube. where will i start? anything and everything about tubes. help pls!
Other members can help you with it. Listen to different tube amps, then decide what amp will satisfy you.... ;) ;) ;)
Sir, gusto namin ni redmagic...ikaw na lang ang magturo... :) :) :)
Hehehe.... I'm not the right person (newbie), kung satellite yan pwede pa pre!!!! Anyway, one day let's meet and finalize what we discussed....Sir pupunta ka pala, pasabay naman
Sir pupunta ka pala, pasabay naman
Hehehe.... I'm not the right person (newbie), kung satellite yan pwede pa pre!!!! Anyway, one day let's meet and finalize what we discussed....
may spare ka bang twt at klystron dyan? baka pwede na yun hehehe!
I now have a modified 300b with DC heaters - galing! parang na turbo charge, better bass and PRAT ;D
thanks to Vintage Dog, Arnoldc and Mickey! :)
got the new faceplate for the Preamp too ;D
I now have a modified 300b with DC heaters - galing! parang na turbo charge, better bass and PRAT ;D
thanks to Vintage Dog, Arnoldc and Mickey! :)
got the new faceplate for the Preamp too ;D
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VwDWF!0XfhJ*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1oRVACsyVEnEav8oK1oObDj0WT7NSO7Rh8MfbJ1ENMTdq3GXOrO3FBkz*jxK6C6Fs2eEq0*Mq*SSZKU*0n3qRKLqMz6Mp!a6V/Resize%20of%20DSC02102.JPG)
I now have a modified 300b with DC heaters - galing! parang na turbo charge, better bass and PRAT ;D
thanks to Vintage Dog, Arnoldc and Mickey! :)
got the new faceplate for the Preamp too ;D
(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VwDWF!0XfhJ*Jmx9MQUfyoozElbUhVS1oRVACsyVEnEav8oK1oObDj0WT7NSO7Rh8MfbJ1ENMTdq3GXOrO3FBkz*jxK6C6Fs2eEq0*Mq*SSZKU*0n3qRKLqMz6Mp!a6V/Resize%20of%20DSC02102.JPG)
ice,
ganda ng patungan mo ng amp and preamp mo.
where did you get that?
lovan ba yung rack?
In my early days of audio/electronics (26 years+) I thought that DC coupling only equated to better low frequency response…but I am now learning in the Audio Forums and readings…it has an effect on the total sound of the amp. The RC coupling results in a “signature sound” which is probably due to the capacitor residual voltage, linearity or symmetry in voltage charge/discharge speed and initial charge requirement. These capacitor signatures are the result of the material (conductor, insulation and damping medium) and construction. Note that some amp designers like this “capacitor signature” tuning capability. But with DC…it is just a bunch of wires (maybe some coupling resistors)...But wires (resistors) also have their own “signature” sound…just listen to Hyperion’s KONDO cabling!!!! Somewhat like …super conductors! (That is a different story altogether!!! Just go to Darth Hansen Den and listen!).Quote
iceman, the comments of joe3rp has *nothing* to do with DC filament mod. he was talking about direct coupled (DC) and capacitor coupled (which he called RC, in reality it is just capacitor coupling). this is about how the stages are coupled to each other, i.e., driver to power tube section.
DC filament heating and AC filament heating is an altogether a different story.
iceman, the comments of joe3rp has *nothing* to do with DC filament mod. he was talking about direct coupled (DC) and capacitor coupled (which he called RC, in reality it is just capacitor coupling). this is about how the stages are coupled to each other, i.e., driver to power tube section.
DC filament heating and AC filament heating is an altogether a different story.
tuff, DC heating improves (lessens) hum levels. on some amps using 45, or 2A3, we don't bother with DC heating because the hum level is just 3mV-4mV (my 2A3 is 4mV). my 45 even when connected to high efficiency single driver speakers is dead silent. however, AC heating on 300Bs is a different story. my first incarnation is about 12 mV, i plan to use DC heating on my next version. there are noisy tubes, there are silent tubes.
on preamps, where we amplify millivolts, specially phono stages, DC heating is a must.
tuff, ac heating is simplest, cheapest to implement. sonically, some swear ac heating is the best. but then again, it's their ears, not mine.
tuff, no i didn't say that. what i'm saying is that DC reduces hum level significatly on some tubes, albeit more expensive (extra parts needed).
i have not made judgement sonically.
tuff, DC heating improves (lessens) hum levels. on some amps using 45, or 2A3, we don't bother with DC heating because the hum level is just 3mV-4mV (my 2A3 is 4mV). my 45 even when connected to high efficiency single driver speakers is dead silent. however, AC heating on 300Bs is a different story. my first incarnation is about 12 mV, i plan to use DC heating on my next version. there are noisy tubes, there are silent tubes.
on preamps, where we amplify millivolts, specially phono stages, DC heating is a must.
jojo, nope. not my amps yet. even my foreplay is ac heated dead silent ;)
but, i will consider that for my next preamp which is a 56 tube :D
If you like a quite 300B SE amp converiting the filament heaters to DC voltage but definetely there would
be a change in sound character. It depends on your taste this is basically subjective but for me i would go for the purist approach AC heaters there something about AC heating some my call musicality versus the sterile
sound of DC this is my opinion take it with a grain of salt. It's up to you to decide.
AC heated 300B SE amp hums but you need to be careful in implementing the grounding. my experience is basically the shortest grounding path with the input and power ground tied together.I stay away from the
bus bar type grounding and also a no feedback type of input/driver would surely help i also increase the value
hum resistor to 135 ohm.
I just got my modded 300B from Rene and it has really improved. I highly recommend it to Tono 300B owners. I even added a little to have the resistors upgraded to riken.
tentatively this is whats going on;
Saturday:
10 am - Ribbon cutting. guest of honor maestro Eugene Castillo
2:30 pm - percussion performance by mark escueta of rivermaya, paul zialcita of spy, zach form imago
4:15 pm - waji wara (jazz band ala Cal Tjader)
6:00 pm - radioactive sago project (jazz funk and spoken word. this years winner of MTV's most stylish video. their witty hit song sometimes back was "baboy" about politics & corruption. i heard their new album. is it any good? well, i bought the album. may horn section to bro!
right now things are still very fluid so expects changes as we approach D-day. i'll try to arrange special audiophile specific activities too like different super cartridges on demo for sunday (maybe a Dynavector XV-1s, Koetsu Onyx platyinum and Clearaudio insider Reference)
pm me if you have any suggestion or you would like to volunteer for any activity.
You should hear it with my new preamp.
Old model na CJ. matches well with the tono 300B. Attend ako sa audio fair baka may mahanap pa na mabili.
Medyo OT na tayo but I will invite you guys next time. I want to compare also the Tono with other amps baka mali mali na mga kalokohan kong pinagbibili. hehehe
more discussions and pics on the event of the year at:
http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=55
Thanks to all PinoDVD guys who made it to the fair!
and thanks to all for the overwhelming reception to our Tono personal...
(now, more folks know that it's not just looks that matter in audio) ;D
from data we gathered and orders for the amp, this is probably one of the best sellers at the fair!
maraming maraming salamat!
all Tono designs are made (not copied from the net or magazine, books) by the DIY guys at Wiredstate, assembled , tweaked, tuned by the ears at Wiredstate! proudly pinoy!
congrats. what model are they reviewing?
hi guys!
the WS website was hacked this morning so we won't be able to access until further notice...announcement will folow if website is already A-OK, thanks! :D :D :D