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Home Theater => Audio => Setting Up => Topic started by: askme on Oct 28, 2013 at 05:55 PM
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PLEASE i need inputs from expert >,<
here's my story, naghahanap lang ako ng magandang Earphone, tapos napadaan ako sa JBL store sa SM north, nagandahan ako sa Sb400, i even down 500 php ^^. pang reserve, 29k ang bigay sakin, nag review ako since mahilig ako bumuo ng mga PC RIG, from 29k naging 35k ang bugdet at HT na ang hanap ko from SB400 to AV+speaker and SUB. Sa dalawang lingggong review at research, halos sasabog na utak ko sa mga details. i even designate one day to go around sa mga store at mag-audition :)) halos basagin ko lahat ng set up dahil metal music ang genre ko, like lamb of god etc. so heavy sub talaga ang gusto ko.. for my HT or Audio system 60% music and 40% movie po ang usage
here's my ideal set :)
Wharfdale Diamond 121
Wharfdale Diamond 101c
Wharfdale Diamond 10sr
=15,300 for wharfedale setup
SVS PB12 or pb1000 /B&W asw610/
Yamaha RX 475
45k+ ang budget ko hahah medjo gipet kaya kung my alam po kayong murang pagkukunan ng mga ito maganda, i even auditioin yung wharfedale set up na yan with spectra sa greenbelt,
i even do data base sa mga store and price at ang dameng set - up offer >,<
please help naman po for if my suggestioin kayo na mas better dito all welcome po. highly appreciated.
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bagay na bagay ang wharfedale sa yamaha, they will work well together. mag set-up ka muna ng walang sub dahil maganda at accurate ang bass response ng 121. just make sure na tama ang speaker placement mo.
good luck bro!
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With your budget, then the Wharf and Yamaha might just be right for you. If you are more into music, you may consider a soundbar for HT then a separate setup for audio. ;)
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sa totoo lang, ayos na ang plano mong setup. add ka na lang ng Wharfedale Vardus Powered Sub for P7,500 cash.
pero kung gusto mo ibang brand ng avr at speakers, check mo din ang mga to:
AVR: Pioneer VSX-522 - 11k
Front: Polk TSx 110 - 9,990
Center: Polk TSx 150c - 8,790
Surround: Polk TSx 110 - 9,990
Sub: Polk PSW110 or PSW111 (not sure about their prices, around 10k ata)
check mo din ang threads nila Sanjay (Polk and Deftech distro) at ng Sights & Sounds:
Sanjay - http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,177504.30.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,177504.30.html)
Sights & Soundshttp://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,153898.1110.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,153898.1110.html)
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@itanongmu, talagang nagtatanong sa unang post palang hehehe...
you want powerful sub? visit marco's place >>> http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,122822.0.html
ewan ko lang sa mga bagong labas na wharfs pero ang alam ko sa mga dating models medyo ngo ngo o boomy (paumanhin sa mga wharf owners)...
para sa akin, wharf ang last choice ko.
tama yan audition audition but habang nag aaudition ka tingnan mo din ang acoustics ng showroom/store baka later on hanapin mo sa bahay ang tunog na narinig mo sa store. unless, acoustically treated ng ang room mo.
gusto mo ba bago at same look? kung ok lang sa 'yo ang preowned then abang abang ka lang sa marketplace...
why buy brand new if you can find here na mas murang preowned?
be praktikal. hth. ;)
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hahaha salamat sa mga info ^^. kung PC lang ang usapan tapos na to ehh haha medyo bago kasi ako sa ganitong set ups, anyway free ba ang hifi show????
@praktikal pde penge po link for marketplace?? kagagawa ko lng po kasi ng account kanikanina lng ^^
@DTNS master ok din ba and polk??
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hahaha salamat sa mga info ^^. kung PC lang ang usapan tapos na to ehh haha medyo bago kasi ako sa ganitong set ups, anyway free ba ang hifi show????
@praktikal pde penge po link for marketplace?? kagagawa ko lng po kasi ng account kanikanina lng ^^
@DTNS master ok din ba and polk??
yes, free admission ang Nov HiFi show. :) naka-audition ako dati ng Polk TSi 100 bookshelf. okay naman ang tunog nya. pero pinalitan na cya ng TSx series.
suggestion ko, mag-audition ka ng iba't ibang speakers at kunin mo yung swak sa budget at pandinig mo. ;)
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@DTNS Sir, mahal ba talaga and svs?? sakit sa ulo ka rereview hahah
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@DTNS Sir, mahal ba talaga and svs?? sakit sa ulo ka rereview hahah
they have the 1000 series "entry-level" models. the PB1000 (ported) costs 29k while the SB1000 (sealed) costs 26k. you can ask the distro, mike c, for a discount :)
if you still find the 1000 series expensive but you want really powerful bass at low cost, I suggest checking out marco's custom sub: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,122822.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,122822.0.html) ;)
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thanks master pede makahingi ng contact or link for mike c
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thanks master pede makahingi ng contact or link for mike c
natabunan na yung thread ni mike. nasa 2nd page na ng speakers section. hehehe! ;D
eto yung link: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,179407.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,179407.0.html) :)
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salamat master, anug pla yung amp4v2??? hahaha
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salamat master, anug pla yung amp4v2??? hahaha
external amplifier ni marco. passive ang subwoofers nya. kailangan ng separate amplifier.
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salamat master, anug pla yung amp4v2??? hahaha
Power ampli for subwoofer yan ni marco bro...
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@vhinx
SALAMAT sir ^^. amp pla yun, compatible b sa lahat ng sub un o kailangan mod din ung sub?
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mga master anu pla pinagkaiba ng ported sa sealed?? subwoofer
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stay away from polk audio and pioneer combi....they sound too bright.... unless you have a fully treated room
yamaha and wharfedale are good combination.... you need beefier amp to make that wharf sing.....
i always suggest used MID to HIGH end receiver rather than buying new receiver.....
make sure you have pre-out for possible power amp in the future.......extra juice
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mga master anu pla pinagkaiba ng ported sa sealed?? subwoofer
ported may butas sealed - selyado kidding
ported for bass extension
sealed good for midbass
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@raider125jeigh sir any suggestion for receiver im eyeing for yamaha rx v467 and v375 ^^ mjo low cost and 375, bluetooth lng kasi prob sa 375 di ko sure kung compatible sa mga donggle na bluetooth >,< parecommend naman sir
which is better to to buy sir sealed or ported?? im 60% music and 40% movie sa usage ko ng sound system
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which is better to to buy sir sealed or ported?? im 60% music and 40% movie sa usage ko ng sound system
for music, sealed. for movies, ported.
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ang naisip ko kasi
5.1 receiver
floorstand front ( para pag radio or music lng ang gamet ko + sub )
Rear ( pag movie time na + floorstand + sub )
Center ( sempre pag music + floorstand + sub pero mas maganda sa movie + sub + rear + front )
sub ( sa lahat ng aspeto ^^.)
ang tanong magkano budget mu hahah patay tayo jan.. -,- 45k+ ang kaya ko
yamaha sana ang receiver
front = please suggest
1. Floor stand =
2. Book shelve =
center = please suggest
1. center =
Rear = please suggest
1. Rear =
Sub = please suggest
1. Sub =
:) salamat
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for music, sealed. for movies, ported.
for ported sir takpan ko n lng pag music na ako haha kidding :P
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ang naisip ko kasi
5.1 receiver
floorstand front ( para pag radio or music lng ang gamet ko + sub )
Rear ( pag movie time na + floorstand + sub )
Center ( sempre pag music + floorstand + sub pero mas maganda sa movie + sub + rear + front )
sub ( sa lahat ng aspeto ^^.)
ang tanong magkano budget mu hahah patay tayo jan.. -,- 45k+ ang kaya ko
yamaha sana ang receiver
front = please suggest
1. Floor stand =
2. Book shelve =
center = please suggest
1. center =
Rear = please suggest
1. Rear =
Sub = please suggest
1. Sub =
:) salamat
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@itanongmu
sir consider nyo po yung sensitivity ng speakers na kunin nyo, 90db pataas madali ma drive ng amp..89db pababa medyo kailangan mo ng powerful amp to drive these speakers..tanong nyo nalang po sa store na auditionan nyo kung ilan ang sensitivity ng speaker na gusto nyo or narinig nyo baka kasi iba maging result pag nauwi nyo na then di kayanin drive ng amp or receiver nyo ang speakers eh, basta 90db na sensitivity pataas muna pagpiliian nyo sir. :)
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amps: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/board,109.0.html
speakers: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/board,110.0.html
ano ba ang size ng room mo?
how loud ka magpatugtog?
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@itanongmu
sir consider nyo po yung sensitivity ng speakers na kunin nyo, 90db pataas madali ma drive ng amp..89db pababa medyo kailangan mo ng powerful amp to drive these speakers..tanong nyo nalang po sa store na auditionan nyo kung ilan ang sensitivity ng speaker na gusto nyo or narinig nyo baka kasi iba maging result pag nauwi nyo na then di kayanin drive ng amp or receiver nyo ang speakers eh, basta 90db na sensitivity pataas muna pagpiliian nyo sir. :)
salamat pops :* baka my recommendation ka jan labas mu na ^^
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amps: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/board,109.0.html
speakers: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/board,110.0.html
ano ba ang size ng room mo?
how loud ka magpatugtog?
eto po ang itchura ng kabahayan ko
(https://z-n.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-b.ak/hphotos-ak-frc3/1381196_687588324585534_25595067_n.jpg)
(https://z-n.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-f.ak/hphotos-ak-frc3/1395407_684832441527789_1673818403_n.jpg)
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^-^ which is much better?? or good pick??
also YAMAHA RX V467 or YAMAHA RX 475???
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pacomment naman po ngshort list na po ako.. which is better set-up para maaudition ko na po.. salamat mga master ^^. 5.0 muna po pero floorstand na.. all to be partner with Yamaha rx v475 (any comment for this receiver will also do)
for dealer and reseller of this item you could also place price for this items thanks
Monitor audio mr series
MR4
MRC
MR1
Boston acoustic a series
A250
A225C
A25
POLK tsx and tsi series
TSI
TSI300
CS10
TSI100
TSX
TSX330T
TSX150C
TSX110B
Wharfedale diamond 100 series
155
101c
10sr
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(https://z-n.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-h.ak/hphotos-ak-prn2/s403x403/1385765_690921340918899_1937504281_n.jpg)
Budget floor stand for your reference mga newbies like me heheh best pick po ba ang monitor audio??? for having a wide range?? and available na ba ang mecury vi version???
legend please comment :) salamat...
Short listed to top 5
(https://z-n.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-prn2/1393685_690961404248226_2070273903_n.jpg)
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Ok yan table na yan IF all the measurements were done by single independent person in the same room with the same testing equipment. Since measurements were done by each manufacturer and walang tolerance yung frequency range, mahirap mag compare. The only thing na usefull is sensitivity, 97 and 96 is very high, meaning the speakers would require half the power to sound loud compared to a speaker with 93 db sensitivity, 1/4 power compared to a 90 DB, so you dont need to much power
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The frequency range of the Monitor on paper doesn't make it automatically the best value among the models in the list. Just listen to all of them and choose what you like. A neutral sounding one is a good choice since it would be a good all around speaker.
For newbies though I'd suggest the same thing that qguy stated earlier. Choose one that is easy to power so that the next step of the process which is finding the suitable amp is going to be affordable.
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Ok yan table na yan IF all the measurements were done by single independent person in the same room with the same testing equipment. Since measurements were done by each manufacturer and walang tolerance yung frequency range, mahirap mag compare. The only thing na usefull is sensitivity, 97 and 96 is very high, meaning the speakers would require half the power to sound loud compared to a speaker with 93 db sensitivity, 1/4 power compared to a 90 DB, so you dont need to much power
Correct me if im wrong.. considering the sensitivity the best pick would be 89-91 than 96-97?. if i stand correct. i may now delete klipsch for this table, for me to consider 4 speaker from 5.
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for this table i will pair the winning speaker to yamaha rx v475.
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Speakers with higher sensitivity are much easier to drive.
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Speakers with higher sensitivity are much easier to drive.
so mas madali po idrive and klipsch compare with others
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just look for 91db and above sensitivity speakers para di ka gano magka problema sa amp..saan ba gagamitin sir sa HT po ba?
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so mas madali po idrive and klipsch compare with others
Exactly...but there is no longer a klipsch distributor in the philippines, either you wait for a seller in the marketplace or in sulit/ayosdito to unload his klipsch or buy from amazon.com and shipped them to the philippines..
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Medjo bihira ang 90+ sensitivity sa speakers, as long as you do not go below 87dB and impedance of 8 ohms, you should be okay with entry level amps, besides most of the bass would be handled by the subwoofer.
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just look for 91db and above sensitivity speakers para di ka gano magka problema sa amp..saan ba gagamitin sir sa HT po ba?
Yes master, please see my other post. for you to see my place dimension.
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correct me if im wrong from 5 my choice would be
Klipsch( if only i could find one)
MA
POLK
TANNOY
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Try auditioning those speakers then decide from there which sounds best for you.
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Try auditioning those speakers then decide from there which sounds best for you.
opo sir salamat
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all are good FS. i would recommend Tannoy because it's SQ suits my preference. also, i am a tannoy owner.
better audition to know which SQ fits you.
:)
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^^^ +1
take time to audition the speakers first.
the numbers you see on the spec sheet won't tell you how it sounds. And it doesn't automatically mean that if the speakers are easier to drive they will sound better than the others on the list ;)
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Klipsch are easy to drive cause of the high sensitivity. It also has horn tweeter, which makes the sound brighter. It's either you'll love Klipsch or hate it. In my cause I love Klipsch! Yun nga lang wala ng distributor dito ng Klipsch.
First choice ko from your list is the Klipsch and 2nd is the MA MR4.
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b&w 684 sir ayaw mo? 90db sensitivity..... a friend is selling his near minty one ;D ;D ;D
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Klipsch are easy to drive cause of the high sensitivity. It also has horn tweeter, which makes the sound brighter. It's either you'll love Klipsch or hate it. In my cause I love Klipsch! Yun nga lang wala ng distributor dito ng Klipsch.
First choice ko from your list is the Klipsch and 2nd is the MA MR4.
You're probably talking about the old horns, recent versions don't have the harshness and grittiness of the old ones, kaya siguro na-"love" mo na.
As to the tabulated values, aside from sensitivity, those numbers mean nothing and could not in any real world usage be used for comparison.
Speakers with higher sensitivity are much easier to drive.
Have read this statement several times dito sa PDVD at mukhang kumakalat na ito as a fact. High sensitivity does not equate with easy to drive. Some speakers have very high sensitivity but have been known to destroy amps for having less than one ohm impedance at some frequencies. Easy to drive speakers (lalo na from a tube amp's POV) are those that have impedances that do not dip much from the nominal value.
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Try mo din mag audition ng Infinity Primus a very good budget speaker for HT purposes.
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ok ba RF 52 series?? ngpaquote na ako sa sg ^^. un lng di ko mauaudition not unless kailangan kong pumunta dun -,-
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You're probably talking about the old horns, recent versions don't have the harshness and grittiness of the old ones, kaya siguro na-"love" mo na.
As to the tabulated values, aside from sensitivity, those numbers mean nothing and could not in any real world usage be used for comparison.
Have read this statement several times dito sa PDVD at mukhang kumakalat na ito as a fact. High sensitivity does not equate with easy to drive. Some speakers have very high sensitivity but have been known to destroy amps for having less than one ohm impedance at some frequencies. Easy to drive speakers (lalo na from a tube amp's POV) are those that have impedances that do not dip much from the nominal value.
I have to agree with you. Pero meron pa bang ganyan speakers that do not dip much sa impedance at reference levels? Mga lumang speakers?
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Actually it was some old speakers using internal passive circuits to extend bass response that became notorious for being amp killers, afaik those designs have been scrapped already. Recent technologies make it easier for designers to build speakers that will present a rather benign load to any amp. Impedance graph of a typical speaker:
(http://ap.com/images/audio.tst/03-2010/imp_util_3.png)
Most speakers will have a high narrow impedance peak at resonance, dip to half at around 100-300hz and a wide peak 2 or 3x around the crossover point. Difficult to drive speakers will deviate more from the nominal value.
Compare it with this: Manufacturer rated it 4 ohms but it's below 4 ohms at all other frequencies outside 80 and 1200 hz, with very nasty dips at 32 and 7k hz!!!
(http://www.avsforum.com/content/type/61/id/49342/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL)
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problem lang is where to find this "effective impedance vs frequency response" chart of those speakers that we are interested to buy. i don't think manufacturers publish this.
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You don't buy speakers to listen to graphs. You buy speakers because you like to hear and enjoy your music. ;)
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wala po ata si Wharfedale Diamond 10.5 sa list of floorstand. ^-^
love your own :-*
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You don't buy speakers to listen to graphs. You buy speakers because you like to hear and enjoy your music. ;)
Exactly. But you also need to know kung kayang i-drive ng amp mo. Specs are part of the selection process. Specially when you sometimes listen at reference levels.
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wala po ata si Wharfedale Diamond 10.5 sa list of floorstand. ^-^
love your own :-*
actually WD 155 yung asa list kaso natangal na :P
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You don't buy speakers to listen to graphs. You buy speakers because you like to hear and enjoy your music.
yes, no denying that. but the graph will be able to tell you if the speaker has stable impedance across its frequency range as shown by markcrenz. kaya nga lang this info is not published for public eyes. baka yung mga high-end models lang kung sakali man.
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grabe yung bagyo dun sa ormoc, galing ako dun, ng barko ako papuntang cebu.. tas tumingin din ako dito same lng din ng mga price.. >,< grabe si yolanda.. lupet bumayo..
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The sensitivity of the speaker will only tell you how loud it will sound with 1 watt of power at 1 meter distance. The "load" of the speaker, or how hard it is to drive will be dictated by its impedance dips, or lack of it for that matter.
A flat impedence speaker will actually be easier to drive than one that drops to ridiculous levels, even if that speaker is rated with a higher sensitivity.
This is were Amp + speaker matching comes into play.
For starters, some speakers tend to dip to 2 ohms at a certain frequency (B&w towers i think ), if the amp is not suited for such extremes - chances are you will bust your amp.
The graphs will help you match the speakers and the amps, as for the preferred SQ - that's an all different matter. :)
Cheers :)
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Will this one be suited
yamaha 475 and MA MR series?
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maganda sana kung may store na available pareho ng amp at speakers na target nyo. then blind test mo kung pwede sa preferred level and distance. hth
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Alitte inputs hope you still try to decide on what to get..:)
I read your post before i got my Dia 155, my first option was 121 + 101c or 122 + 102c.
Went to audition at megamall and after auditioned them, i was curious with 155 so i asked the guy to test that too... wow.. he played and skiped to battle scene for "private ryan" and then i asked him can you remove the subwoofer just use the 155 alone and he said he only connected 155... :o the bass is unbelievable..!!
I then decided to get the 155 considering too i dont have the table or stands for either 121 or 122 and i still need to invest in subwoofer if i chose the 121/122.
my room is 5 x 4 sqm.
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Alitte inputs hope you still try to decide on what to get..:)
I read your post before i got my Dia 155, my first option was 121 + 101c or 122 + 102c.
Went to audition at megamall and after auditioned them, i was curious with 155 so i asked the guy to test that too... wow.. he played and skiped to battle scene for "private ryan" and then i asked him can you remove the subwoofer just use the 155 alone and he said he only connected 155... :o the bass is unbelievable..!!
I then decided to get the 155 considering too i dont have the table or stands for either 121 or 122 and i still need to invest in subwoofer if i chose the 121/122.
my room is 5 x 4 sqm.
^.^ have you tried MA MR series??? and Polk TXs series?? eto kasi ang pinagpipilian ko after wharfedale 100 series setup.. tska :)
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^.^ have you tried MA MR series??? and Polk TXs series?? eto kasi ang pinagpipilian ko after wharfedale 100 series setup.. tska :)
Hindi pa sir, my budget just up to 15k so im worried to try more than my budget >:D baka ma tempted kase kung narinig ko na yung polk
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late update na >:( finally nakabile na ako (pero 1 month ago na talga nakalipas)
thanks AVshop!!
yamaha rx v475
Monitor Audio MR4,MR1
very good ang bass and high freq! accurate din and bato ng tunog lalo sa double peds :P medyo kapos nga lang sa bayo wala pa kasi ako sub >,< total damage 50,000 :) rear and sub na lang kulang
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late update na >:( finally nakabile na ako (pero 1 month ago na talga nakalipas)
thanks AVshop!!
yamaha rx v475
Monitor Audio MR4,MR1
very good ang bass and high freq! accurate din and bato ng tunog lalo sa double peds :P medyo kapos nga lang sa bayo wala pa kasi ako sub >,< total damage 50,000 :) rear and sub na lang kulang
congrats sir! enjoy your setup! :)
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concern ko lng.. di ba ako pde magvideoke?? sa set up ko?? planning to integrate my magic sing??? with my set-up??
any good tune up for my receiver?? baka my nga settings na maganda pa share na din mga master
DTNS
salamat din sir! ^.^ sub n lng ang iicpin ko next year
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concern ko lng.. di ba ako pde magvideoke?? sa set up ko?? planning to integrate my magic sing??? with my set-up??
pwede mag-videoke. why do you think hindi pwede?
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concern ko lng.. di ba ako pde magvideoke?? sa set up ko?? planning to integrate my magic sing??? with my set-up??
any good tune up for my receiver?? baka my nga settings na maganda pa share na din mga master
DTNS
salamat din sir! ^.^ sub n lng ang iicpin ko next year
baka bumigay mga high frequency drivers ng speakers mo sir kung gagamitin mo pang videoke sayang
better mag set up ka nalang ng separate para pang videoke or mag kabit ka ng compression limiter...just my 2 cents... ^-^
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check out A-Audio's Voca series videoke speakers for your videoke setup. ;)
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baka bumigay mga high frequency drivers ng speakers mo sir kung gagamitin mo pang videoke sayang
better mag set up ka nalang ng separate para pang videoke or mag kabit ka ng compression limiter...just my 2 cents... ^-^
+1 on this.. Sayang naman...
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concern ko lng.. di ba ako pde magvideoke?? sa set up ko?? planning to integrate my magic sing??? with my set-up??
any good tune up for my receiver?? baka my nga settings na maganda pa share na din mga master
sayang speaker sir baka masira pa at di ka masiyahan pag sa videoke ang SQ nyan..
bili ka nalang separate amp and speakers for videoke sir.
and congrats sa bagong acquire mong gears. ;)
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kaya mahal ko PNIOYDVD >:D dameng suggestion, kung karaoke naman hindi naman kame yung talgang hanggang tatlong bahay rineg yung tunog.. yung sakto lng hahah actually hindi ko nga masagad volume ng setup ko ehh sigugro mga 60% lng dagundong n sa bahay hahah given n wala pang sub..
@all masisira din b receiver ko???? if i plan just to change i mean add 2 speaker for videooke??? magic sing lng naman po sana ang ikakabit ko :))))
also padvice n rin po ng HTIB na 5-7k ang price.. bibigay ko n sa lola ko yung LG htib ko ^.^ pati 21'' TV gusto ko pa rin my HTIB ako ^.^ salamat ng marame.. next year january full pack n MR series ko or worst i'll go for next level bronse..
HTIB 1 PHILIPS HTD3510
or
HTIB 2 SONY DAV-TZ140
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Magandang gabe mga ka sound triper!!
ngaun at medyo nakaluwag luwag nanaman ^.^ planning to add some to my exisiting gear
rear and sub???
will i go for mr1 and sub ni monitor or pic other sub??
Movies and
music( alltypes of music :))
30% oldies (dahil kay pops)
40% metal and madouble peds
30% mga bagong kanta all genre
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Magandang gabe mga ka sound triper!!
ngaun at medyo nakaluwag luwag nanaman ^.^ planning to add some to my exisiting gear
rear and sub???
will i go for mr1 and sub ni monitor or pic other sub??
Movies and
music( alltypes of music :))
30% oldies (dahil kay pops)
40% metal and madouble peds
30% mga bagong kanta all genre
what's your budget for surrounds and a sub?