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Home Theater => Audio => Speakers => Topic started by: tonedeaf on Mar 01, 2014 at 05:53 PM
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Instead of hijacking the Recommend Speaker thread every few weeks, I thought I'd just start a new topic.
My set-up is in a 20sqm room, but the listening area is actually only about 10 sqm:
Denon 1713
Mission M73 (fronts)
Mission M7C1 (center)
Mission M70 (rear)
Velo CHT 10 (sub)
I can't change my receiver because I just purchased it ;D But I want to upgrade my front/center speakers, and so far, here are my choices -
Option 1 - Dali Zensor 5 (fronts) + Vokal (center);
Option 2 - Polk Rti A3 (fronts) + Csi A6 (center);
Option 3 - B&W 685 (fronts) + matching center; or
Option 4 - PSB Image B6 + matching center.
Of the 4 options, only the Zensor is a floorstander. I don't mind getting a bookshelf speaker, basta maganda, since I have a sub anyway.
It will be used 80% HT + 20% music.
Budget: 40K, a tad more or less :D
Thoughts? Other suggestions?
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I love your dilemma he he he...
I vote for PSB.... But i was able to own the Polks RTIs and i like the PSB better...
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I'd cross out option 3 for now. May bagong 600 series na lalabas you'd wanna wait for that muna. Medyo malaki daw yung chagnes compared sa current 600 series.
Being a PSB owner too, I'd vote of course for PSB. 2nd would be the DALI's.
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Psb for me as well.
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If you don't mind buying pre owned, I heard the PSB T55 and IMO it's a good buy . . .
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,189257.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,189257.0.html)
czarsky
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@Courage @esr101, I'll be sure to audition the PSBs soon, if not today.
@armymanhaha, I don't think my EQ can stand to wait for the new B&Ws :) I heard the 685s over at Sound Dimension (at their new Glorietta 2 location) yesterday, and I was pleasantly surprised by the sound. My concern about getting bookshelves instead of floorstanders was assuaged. Btw, very helpful folks there, who accommodated me.
@czarsky, thanks. I'll check it out.
I initially included the Dali Lektor 3 in my list of choices, but had to delete it as it isn't available in AA and I don't think new stocks are forthcoming. The Zensors are definitely arriving though, this April.
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@onedeaf
just curious, what's your budget for a front speaker upgrade?
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^budget is 40K, more or less, for both fronts and center. willing to go a bit over, but not by much. the options I posted will actually cost me anywhere between 35-45K, depending on the discount I get.
*updated first post to reflect this.
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All are good speakers, pick the one that suits your subjective preference.
Happy hunting :)
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Heard both the Polk audio Rti A3 and the Psb Image B6 today, at Watts Hi Fi.
This, after listening to B&W 685 yesterday, and the Zensor 7 a few days back.
I think we have a winner.
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Heard both the Polk audio Rti A3 and the Psb Image B6 today, at Watts Hi Fi.
This, after listening to B&W 685 yesterday, and the Zensor 7 a few days back.
I think we have a winner.
which is the winner?
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Heard both the Polk audio Rti A3 and the Psb Image B6 today, at Watts Hi Fi.
This, after listening to B&W 685 yesterday, and the Zensor 7 a few days back.
I think we have a winner.
Wow, congrats.. finally nakapili ka na.. Pero alin kaya sa kanila???? Hmmmmmmmm
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@DTNS and @Courage,
Psb Image B6 :-)
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@DTNS and @Courage,
Psb Image B6 :-)
Wow.. excellent choice mam...... Pair it with Image C5 center... The small C5 Center is big sounding with excellent details and clarity....
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Congrats! Sarap ng dilemma...
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Yes, getting the matching center as well.
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congrats sir! :)
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Yes, getting the matching center as well.
Btw sir how much for both? Ano ba ok na surrounds for that?
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Syempre dapat PSB din ;)
czarsky
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Kung merong bigger series pero same model na center speaker, i'd get that. Karamihan ng audio, some say as much as 60-80%, sa center speaker lumalabas.
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Btw sir how much for both? Ano ba ok na surrounds for that?
Meron surrounds ang image line kaso mahal, but you can use the smaller B5 or B4
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Kung merong bigger series pero same model na center speaker, i'd get that. Karamihan ng audio, some say as much as 60-80%, sa center speaker lumalabas.
tama master Nelson..Ur putting her/them into right decision. have rti-a3 series with Csi-a4 center pero im using big infinity c360 center..mas emphasize ang action sa movie pag bigger center. promise! sabi nga "mas malaki, mas masarap!!!"
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@Nelson @bhenard,
I'm getting the C5 which is bigger than the other model, the C4.
I actually realized this when I got my Mission speakers a few years back. Should've gotten the M7C2 instead of the M7C1.
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Meron surrounds ang image line kaso mahal, but you can use the smaller B5 or B4
3.1 muna then ipon for surrounds.. hehehe.. I prefer kasi yung bipole/dipole for surrounds e.. Mga how much ba complete set-up for PSB?
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@Icermad,
Watt Hi Fi posted the SRPs of the PSB line up here - http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,20318.msg2025695.html#msg2025695
Just visit/call/PM them, and other stores selling PSB, to find out how much discounts they give. It's different for every store and, I think, every person who visits (first timer, suki, maraming bibilhin, konti lang etc)
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@Icermad,
Watt Hi Fi posted the SRPs of the PSB line up here - http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,20318.msg2025695.html#msg2025695
Just visit/call/PM them, and other stores selling PSB, to find out how much discounts they give. It's different for every store and, I think, every person who visits (first timer, suki, maraming bibilhin, konti lang etc)
Thank you sir :)
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Wow ang mahal nga ng surrounds! Parang ok na nga yung B4 for surrounds..hehehe..
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Wow ang mahal nga ng surrounds! Parang ok na nga yung B4 for surrounds..hehehe..
kung gusto mo mura
look for wharf 10dfs or 9dfs...
its not psb but it will suit you well for surround functionality.
daming nakaganyan dito hehe... pero best parin kung kaya mo ang psb para same lahat..
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kung gusto mo mura
look for wharf 10dfs or 9dfs...
its not psb but it will suit you well for surround functionality.
daming nakaganyan dito hehe... pero best parin kung kaya mo ang psb para same lahat..
Oo nga sir e..That was the advise that I got before :) hehe.. or 3.1 muna..until makaipon..pero sobrang expensive talaga..kapresyo halos ng floorstanders..haha
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B&w 685
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If low on budget, the Alpha LR1 seems to do the job ^-^
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,189321.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,189321.0.html)
czarsky
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B&w 685
S2
http://www.whathifi.com/review/685-s2
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Good choice with PSB. im planning to get the Imagine series by mid year.
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Thank you guys, for all the help! Got my PSB Image B6 + C5 center na :)
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Thank you guys, for all the help! Got my PSB Image B6 + C5 center na :)
Congrats mam... Enjoy your new setup.. What will you be using for surrounds if i may ask?
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Congrats mam... Enjoy your new setup.. What will you be using for surrounds if i may ask?
I'll be retaining my Mission M70 in the meantime.
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@Nelson @bhenard,
I'm getting the C5 which is bigger than the other model, the C4.
I actually realized this when I got my Mission speakers a few years back. Should've gotten the M7C2 instead of the M7C1.
Congrats! I started with mission speakers too, love the warmth of those speakers but the i could barely understand the dialogue from movies. Switching to PSB was a big upgrade in that department, iba yung linaw while being able to retain the warm sound that I like. I hardly turn my center channel up anymore with this change.
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I'll be retaining my Mission M70 in the meantime.
I just realized M30 pala surrounds ko.
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Auditioned the 685s and the image b6 awhile ago. Same source same el34 tube amp, same everything. Budget ko talaga pang 685. After auditioning, i went home with the b6 + extra money in my pocket :P
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Auditioned the 685s and the image b6 awhile ago. Same source same el34 tube amp, same everything. Budget ko talaga pang 685. After auditioning, i went home with the b6 + extra money in my pocket :P
Congrats!
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Auditioned the 685s and the image b6 awhile ago. Same source same el34 tube amp, same everything. Budget ko talaga pang 685. After auditioning, i went home with the b6 + extra money in my pocket :P
Congrats sir and very nice choice...
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Auditioned the 685s and the image b6 awhile ago. Same source same el34 tube amp, same everything. Budget ko talaga pang 685. After auditioning, i went home with the b6 + extra money in my pocket :P
value for money talaga ang PSB! happy listening sir.
:)
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Salamat mga kapatid. I'm not sure if factor ang speaker+amp matching... kasi maganda ang reviews ng 685 (or talagang iba lang ang tenga ko). Baka sa ibang amp maging iba rin ang result.
I made it sure na similar sa amp ko (el34 based amp) ang ginamit sa audition.
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Well here is my take on this 4 way melee
Dali
Heard the Zensor 1 + Vokal + Sub = darn bang for the buck if you ask me for HT, also great for stereo listening in a small room.
Zensor 5 or Zensor 7 + Vokal + Sub = for bigger rooms (>40sqm)
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PSB
PSB Image B6 + Centre + Sub = great for music, but something is missing with HT that can be modified with tweaking the tone controls.
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Polk Audio
Polk RTiA3s or RTiA1s + Centre + sub = another bang for the buck for HT but is a bit more expensive than the Dalis for the same purpose
Odd Quirk: RTiA3 is more for Audio over HT, RTiA1s is more for HT over Audio if using a dedicated audio setup (integrated amp + CD player)
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Bowers & Wilkins
B&W 685s + Centre + sub = another perfect HT and Audio match, only IF your AVR can handle the B&Ws in HT.
The only AVR that did deliver in spades for this group - a Rotel RSX, But it costs an arm and a leg plus your kidney and cornea.
The Polks, Dalis and even the PSBs are more unpretentious and 'social' when it comes to AVRs in HT mode.
B&Ws are a bit snobbish = picky with AVRs especially the low powered ones in HT.
Assuming you have a medium to high end [insert brand here] AVR, then the B&W will definitely impress.
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The actual verdict will come from you since you have to bring your AVR to audition.
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Heard these permutations:
Dali Zenzor 1 + Vokal + sub with a Harman/Kardon AVR265 (Thanks Xandrik! [ecks_xnm] of PDVD)
Dali Zensor 5 + Vokal + sub with a Harman/Kardon AVR360 (Thanks Architectural Audio!)
Dali Zensor 7 + Vokal + sub with a Harman/Kardon AVR360 (Thanks Architectural Audio!)
B&W 685s + HTM 62 + sub with an Onkyo TX-NR818 (Thanks Toyama!)
B&W 685s + HTM 61 + sub with an Onkyo TX-NR818 (Thanks Toyama!)
PSB Image B6 + Image C4 + sub with a NAD T748 (Thanks Spectra!)
PSB Image B6 + Image C5 + sub with a NAD T748 (Thanks Spectra!)
Polk RTiA3 + Polk CSiA6 + sub with an Onkyo TX-SR508 (Thanks AVShop/MLY!)
Polk RTiA1 + Polk CSiA4 + sub with an Onkyo TX-SR508 (Thanks AVShop/MLY!)
Of course things will change once you bring in your AVR hence the wisdom in bringing in your own equipment to audition the speaker sets in question.
Speakers:
PSB, Polks, B&Ws are peddled by: Toyama (distro), AVShop/MLY (Kalayaan QC), Watts HiFi (MCS), Spectra (New Glorietta)
Dalis are peddled by Architectural Audio (distro) - Greenbelt 5
AVRS:
Onkyo, Harman/Kardon, NAD are peddled by: AVShop/MLY, Spectra
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guys up ko lang to..
looking to upgrade my speakers.
i have to 2choices
psb x1t
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dali zensor 5
using yamaha aventage receiver.
any inputs?
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instead zensor 5 go for zensor 7, konti lang price difference at mas deep bass at more detailed.
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instead zensor 5 go for zensor 7, konti lang price difference at mas deep bass at more detailed.
will try to demo both zensor 5 and 7.
marami kasi good feedback sa psb. anyone have x1t paired up with yammy avr?
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guys up ko lang to..
looking to upgrade my speakers.
i have to 2choices
psb x1t
or
dali zensor 5
using yamaha aventage receiver.
any inputs?
parehong maganda, psb more lows and weight, dali neutral more of mid and high. ;D
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parehong maganda, psb more lows and weight, dali neutral more of mid and high. ;D
thanks for the feedback sir luis..
oo nga pala naka dali zensor 3 ka at psb x2t before..
btw yun x2t ba ndi too big for 17spqm room?
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How about the kef q100/300 or r100? Any reviews?
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How about the kef q100/300 or r100? Any reviews?
I have q300 that replaced my ma bx2. for me the diff. is night and day, narinig ko yung very punchy bass na hinahanap ko.
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thanks for the feedback sir luis..
oo nga pala naka dali zensor 3 ka at psb x2t before..
btw yun x2t ba ndi too big for 17spqm room?
if you are living in a single detach home, you can optimize x2t in a 17 sqm room. ;D
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How about the kef q100/300 or r100? Any reviews?
Those are good choices boss P! I kinda find the R-series sounding a bit dark while the Q-series neutral. You won't go wrong with the Q300. Lawak pa ng soundstage. It is also highly flexible in equipment partering. Mapa SS or Tube, it can make those KEFs shine.
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thanks master Gerald. nakadinig ako dati ng kef, old models. ok naman pero what I didn't like is the highs. madetalye pero "splashy". probably because of the tweeter pero sabi ng distro sakin, the q100/300 series is much much better in terms of mid-high coherence.
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Not intending to hi jack but-
Is the Zensor 3 naturally bright even with a warm amp?
Is the psb xb forward, or say have a relatively narrow soundspace? (Paired with a rotel)
Auditioned these and this is what I noticed.
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to answer this;
the zensor 3 is neutral with warm amp.(in my ears).
Is the Zensor 3 naturally bright even with a warm amp?
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Not intending to hi jack but-
Is the Zensor 3 naturally bright even with a warm amp?
Is the psb xb forward, or say have a relatively narrow soundspace? (Paired with a rotel)
Auditioned these and this is what I noticed.
Not a fan of Rotel + PSB pairing. I would recommend to pair you amp with B&W instead. Listen to the difference, I bet you'll find the same.
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Not intending to hi jack but-
Is the Zensor 3 naturally bright even with a warm amp?
Is the psb xb forward, or say have a relatively narrow soundspace? (Paired with a rotel)
Auditioned these and this is what I noticed.
Zensor 3 is neutral, for me best paired with warm amp for more body like a nad.
psb and rotel combi is not common. if you have psb get nad, if you have rotel get b&w.
;D
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Thanks. Was impressed with the BW with rotel even if the bw was fresh out if box.
Btw, re my observation on Zensor, it was paired with a Naim.
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PSB generally sounds forward. Coupled with Rotel which is lean and clinical. It does not make for a good pairing. The B&W 6-series is dark sounding. This is why Rotel is best paired with it. Dark+Clinical=Balance ;)
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psb kayo ako ps4