Post by: qguy on Feb 18, 2015 at 05:38 AM
Post by: comet on Feb 18, 2015 at 06:36 AM
Post by: meat_eater on Feb 18, 2015 at 07:41 AM
For some which are more dialogue oriented there is a difference in panning of the voices as you go left to right and front to back, but not as much as some movies like transformers where you have scenes where all 5 channels work at the same time producing different sounds and effects - This in my opinion is when a dedicated center truly shines, because most if not all of the dialogue are directed to that channel.
I have experience with 5.2 and 7.2 only, I cant speak for the Atmos layout, but I'm sure there's some difference, small or big :)
For movies with lots of "effects" - 10
For dialogue heavy movies - 6
Cheers :)
Post by: qguy on Feb 18, 2015 at 08:36 AM
Post by: meat_eater on Feb 18, 2015 at 08:40 AM
If I were to remove either the subwoofer or Surrounds, which one would you remove ?
For me, the surrounds :)
Post by: Narayan on Feb 18, 2015 at 08:56 AM
For me, the surrounds :)
+1
Post by: comet on Feb 18, 2015 at 08:58 AM
, add na lang
Post by: DTNS on Feb 18, 2015 at 09:33 AM
I tried a 2.1 setup before with my HK AVR 265, GoldenEar Aon 3, and SVS PB1000. movies don't sound complete without a center/ dialog channel.
that said, you could probably do without surrounds, but not without a sub and a center. :)
Post by: crazyhog on Feb 18, 2015 at 09:44 AM
For me, the surrounds :)
LFE > Surround. paminsan un surround di mo marinig or ma appreciate. Pero in LFE, ramdam mo talaga. Mas kakaenjoy xa. :).
Post by: fattyacid on Feb 18, 2015 at 10:32 AM
Post by: luis on Feb 18, 2015 at 10:57 AM
2.1 HT set-up may work also for small rooms pero iba pa rin yung 5.1. ;D
Post by: Oldboyracer on Feb 18, 2015 at 12:19 PM
Post by: backdraft on Feb 18, 2015 at 07:56 PM
Post by: zram18 on Feb 18, 2015 at 08:05 PM
it should be 5.1 vs 3.1 vs 2.1
Post by: qguy on Feb 18, 2015 at 08:13 PM
bakit wala kasing 3.1 sa choices?
it should be 5.1 vs 3.1 vs 2.1
its not there, coz, I do not have a need for the center channel as when I watch I am dead center between the left and right speakers.
Post by: dodie on Feb 18, 2015 at 08:43 PM
2.1 will suffice kung maliit lang yung viewing room mo tapos very close pa yung left and right channel mo...but the question is, will you be satisfied if your not hearing everything that should come from your surroundings? at ang end result kuha ka na din ng center at surround tapos dagdag ka na naman ng point 1. ayun naging point 2 na. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D tapos bigla kang magtataka master Q, yung point 2 mo may karugtong nang point 4....naging 5.2.4 na! lumaki na ang gastos :D :D :D :D :D
Post by: DTNS on Feb 18, 2015 at 09:09 PM
saken chief, kung mga 2 hanggang tatlong metro lang layo ng left and right speaker mo, tapos naka toe in pa..dapat maganda ang imaging, dapat sesentro. yung malalaki mong sub hindi dapat mawala ;D ;D ;D pangit pag wala talaga eh ;D ;D ;D dapat kayang macompensate ng magaling magimage na speaker yung absence ng center speaker..kung mga 5 metro na ang distance nung dalawa eh bka kailangan na ng aid ng center channel. pero yung mga speaker na 2 metro lang ang layo sa isat isa tapos hindi sumentro ang dialogue...malamang pangit yun speaker, dun klangan na talaga ng center para hindi malakihan ng gastos at magpalit pa uli ng left and right ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
totoo ito. na-experience to sa 4.1 setup ko dati (no center channel). ang laking kakulangan sa movie experience pag walang center channel! :-\
Post by: speed_kills on Feb 19, 2015 at 02:20 PM
For most hi res downloaded content or PS4 gaming, is there a real benefit in 7.1 ?
Or invest in a better 5.1 system nalang?
Post by: comet on Feb 19, 2015 at 07:51 PM
Post by: zram18 on Feb 19, 2015 at 07:56 PM
pero kung small or average room lang naman sa haws nyo, for me 5.1 is already enough.
otherwise, baka hiwalayan ka na ng misis mo pag nakita nya ang napakadaming speakers sa salas nyo. :)
Post by: Oldboyracer on Feb 21, 2015 at 05:31 PM
its not there, coz, I do not have a need for the center channel as when I watch I am dead center between the left and right speakers.
Sounds like you are using a stereo amp & not an AV receiver so the soundtrack is not being decoded. May I suggest you audition a 5.1/7.1 system with a soundtrack you are are familiar with then you can evaluate what you have at present against the auditioned system.
Post by: speed_kills on Feb 23, 2015 at 05:19 PM
for large room, you can appreciate 7.1,9.1,11.1 kahit 11.2 at kahit yung dolby atmos pa (yun and di ko pa naexperience).
pero kung small or average room lang naman sa haws nyo, for me 5.1 is already enough.
I'm curious, which room sizes are generally considered small, medium, or large?
Thanks!
Post by: bejiboys on Feb 23, 2015 at 06:03 PM
2.1: 2.0 add sub: impact =10 (per TS. however, if full range floor stander, might not be as impactful)
3.1: 2.1 add center; impact = 7
5.1: 3.1 add surrounds; impact = 3
7.1: 5.1 add rear surrounds; impact = 2
My room size: 19' x 17'
Change 50' plasma to 120" projection screen: impact = 10++ (sorry, OT)
Post by: jeffry10 on Mar 08, 2015 at 08:02 AM
Post by: jeffry10 on Mar 08, 2015 at 08:02 AM
even if you're dead center. iba pa rin yung may dedicated center. you get deeper voices. also. surrounds add the ambient effects that make you feel like you're there.
even if you had 2 million peso speakers you wouldn't get that real surround effect. IMHO lang.
Post by: zonks on Mar 08, 2015 at 08:06 AM
Post by: jeffry10 on Mar 08, 2015 at 08:37 AM
Post by: sientobente on Mar 08, 2015 at 10:05 AM
Post by: Tempter on Mar 08, 2015 at 11:35 PM
its like Zero to Hero...;D Will never go back!
Post by: speed_kills on Mar 09, 2015 at 02:04 AM
I'm thinking in terms of quantity/quality ratio, like whether to spread the budget to more speakers or getting better ones but fewer speakers.
Post by: dodie on Mar 09, 2015 at 02:13 AM
This is a bit OT but given a similar budget, will a set of really good 5.1 speakers be better than a 7.2 in a 25sqm movie area?
I'm thinking in terms of quantity/quality ratio, like whether to spread the budget to more speakers or getting better ones but fewer speakers.
it will always be quality over quantity for me.....
Post by: meat_eater on Mar 09, 2015 at 07:02 AM
This is a bit OT but given a similar budget, will a set of really good 5.1 speakers be better than a 7.2 in a 25sqm movie area?
I'm thinking in terms of quantity/quality ratio, like whether to spread the budget to more speakers or getting better ones but fewer speakers.
I would get an upscale 5.1 vs an ok 7.1.
It's easier to save up for the extra 2 channels in the future, than be infected by the PDVD plague of UPGRADATITIS.
hahaha :D
Post by: speed_kills on Mar 09, 2015 at 12:09 PM
:)
Post by: jh@meeh on Mar 09, 2015 at 12:48 PM
IMO, 2 or 2.1 is better for audio, 5.1 up is also good for audio and best for movies. Everybody knows the movie Starwars Phantom Menace Podrace scene and Book of Eli small house assault scene...this is a very good example showcasing surround spkr.
Not all movies requires a surround spkr, but its best you have this so that you will not miss the fun of surround channels when it is needed. Enveloping 3D sound experience really gives a thrill which 2.1 will not offer you.
Post by: mbtorn on Mar 09, 2015 at 03:06 PM
Post by: jeffry10 on Mar 09, 2015 at 10:58 PM
http://hometheaterreview.com/new-home-theater-trend---21-speaker-surround-sound/ (http://hometheaterreview.com/new-home-theater-trend---21-speaker-surround-sound/)
Post by: Courage on Mar 10, 2015 at 03:36 PM
Having a 5.1 system will provide you a cinematic experience compared to a 2.1 system. I will pick a very good quality 5.1 system over an ordinary 7.1 system.
+1 on this... I dont have a big sala/ht area that would benefit a system higher than 5.1 so i concentrated on improving my 5.1 system by updating to better speakers...
Post by: Tempter on Mar 10, 2015 at 03:45 PM
+1 on this... I dont have a big sala/ht area that would benefit a system higher than 5.1 so i concentrated on improving my 5.1 system by updating to better speakers...
Not to mention iilan lang ang source na nag-uutilize ng 7.1 and up... especially kung poor guy na katulad ko na gumagamit lang ng Jack Sparrows.. ;D
Post by: PDBD on Mar 10, 2015 at 04:44 PM
Not to mention iilan lang ang source na nag-uutilize ng 7.1 and up... especially kung poor guy na katulad ko na gumagamit lang ng Jack Sparrows.. ;D
+1 this is what i'm telling a pdvd newbie whom i met last week. 7.1 bihira sa jack sparrow and malalaki pa files meaning takes time to dl. 5.1 tipid at sulit from receiver, speakers, wires etc.
Post by: zram18 on Mar 10, 2015 at 09:59 PM
Post by: PDBD on Mar 10, 2015 at 10:14 PM
just curious sir, pag jack sparrow ba 5.1 din ang output? alam ko kc stereo lang.
YIFY ata mga dl mo sir, 1.5Gb per 1080p movie, madalas yan ang mga stereo.
5.1 dts if 8Gb up. 5.1 dts hdma if 30Gb up.
Post by: CMac on Mar 10, 2015 at 10:18 PM
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Smallest file I have that highlights the HD audio notification on my AVR is only 3.27Gb.
Post by: rhizom3 on Mar 10, 2015 at 10:51 PM
Post by: PDBD on Mar 10, 2015 at 11:55 PM
Post by: dodie on Mar 11, 2015 at 12:45 AM
+1 this is what i'm telling a pdvd newbie whom i met last week. 7.1 bihira sa jack sparrow and malalaki pa files meaning takes time to dl. 5.1 tipid at sulit from receiver, speakers, wires etc.
this is one reason kung bkt im not that picky about my HT setup, kse karamihan ng DL ko eh galing kay YIFY. ;D ;D but once in a while, there's the itch of watching a movie na kumpleto, so i added a very good BDP sa system and a very reliable center speaker and paminsanminsan eh nakakahingi ng mga bluray rip sa kaibigan. pero 90% of viewing experience ko eh with my lossy movie files...
Post by: Tempter on Mar 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM
just curious sir, pag jack sparrow ba 5.1 din ang output? alam ko kc stereo lang.
May mga media na AC3 pero stereo lang. As much as possible 5.1 ang kinukuha ko, nakalagay yan sa details, you just have to read it. ;)
Post by: jeffry10 on Mar 11, 2015 at 02:59 PM
just curious sir, pag jack sparrow ba 5.1 din ang output? alam ko kc stereo lang.
when i had the 838, the transformers 4 i have would output dolby true hd / atmos.
it really depends on what you get to download. if you only have 1mbps dl speed, try finding a good friend that sells blurays or has a good collection of those jack sparrows.
Post by: comet on Mar 11, 2015 at 03:41 PM