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Home Theater => Audio => Amplifier => Topic started by: kid on Mar 09, 2004 at 01:41 PM
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Bros, any comments/suggestions on this ss amp? what can be the best combo (speakers, interconnect, cables) for this kind of amp?
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it's a nice Integrated Amplifier.. the best buy at the price point it is in.
It's good to use with bookshelves and smaller floorstanders..
ie.. BW 602s and 603s
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Im using the same amp with Paradigm monitor 3 speaker and soon to be connected to XLO PRO cables. It can drive my monitor 3 at ease with smooth, impressive low freq slam and detailed mid/high. Much better combo if use with NAD 521i or the NAD 542 cdp.. ;D
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with my former NAD C521i hooked to C320BEE, the Mordaunt Short 914s or even the 902s sounded SO NICE when playing Stacey Kent CDs. he he he
kidding aside, they're a great combo.... in the same league as the Rotels' RCD971 + RA02.
Since NAD amps are already oozing with warmth and balanced tonality, try bright interconnects and speaker cables from the XLO VDO or PRO series to get detailed mids and fluid highs.
;)
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got this amp on home audition recently from studio system and using it with Arcam One Plus speakers bi-wired with AudioQuest Indigo for hf and audiopro for lf speaker wires.. i changed the jumpers from the pre-out to power amp in with Monster cable interconnects and noticed an improvement in sound...as of now source is a pioneer 667a and hopefully the NAD c542 by the end of the week ;)
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"impressive low freq slam and detailed mid/high."
so does the NAD amp tame the Monitor's Bright tweeters?
and did it tighten the bass ba?
one thing i hate about monitors kaya hindi ko sya kayang pakingan is the SLIGHTLY boomy bass. and ear piercing tweeters. Don't get me wrong- I love Paradigm speakers rin.
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you have pm sir greatbop...
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you have a reply!.. stop using the word sir too, damned it!
we're online here. everybody is equal. Yes, sadly, even 5 year old kids.
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you have a reply!.. stop using the word sir too, d**ned it!
we're online here. everybody is equal. Yes, sadly, even 5 year old kids.
ok no problemo....
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you have a reply!.. stop using the word sir too, d**ned it!
we're online here. everybody is equal. Yes, sadly, even 5 year old kids.
bro, i think addressing you with a "Sir" is a sign of respect and politeness considering that the other guy may not have seen you yet or had no knowledge at all on whether or not you're older than him. well, if addressing you with "sir" bothers you then... what would you like to be called?? ..... would calling you "ma'am" makes you happier? ::)
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'man' is good enough.
'you have a pm!'
or you got pm, man!
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i use the NAD C320 BEE with Monitor Audio S2 speakers. i like i like !!! cables are analysis plus clear ovals and i changed the jumper (pre out to main in) to tara labs prism 5. really cleaned up the highs and not bright at all.
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It's good to use with bookshelves and smaller floorstanders.
ie.. BW 602s and 603s
am currently using wf 8.4 speaker, any comments?
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Im using the same amp with Paradigm monitor 3 speaker and soon to be connected to XLO PRO cables. It can drive my monitor 3 at ease with smooth, impressive low freq slam and detailed mid/high. Much better combo if use with NAD 521i or the NAD 542 cdp.. ;D
what type of music are u listening 2?
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uh.. idunno.. that extra woofer... plus it's a 6ohm load... i think it's a strain on the amps... It MIGHT be okay- pero don't expect to make it go loud..
i suggest getting something higher than a 320bee
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greatbop,
sent u pm.
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what type of music are u listening 2?
R & B, classic, instrumental & mostly jazz..
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R & B, classic, instrumental & mostly jazz..
swabe rin kaya ang tunog ng paradigm sa mga rock and indie music?
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Yeah... it sounds great with rock. dahil nga sa titanium tweeters ya. and it has prettty good bass extention.
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It's good to use with bookshelves and smaller floorstanders..
ie.. BW 602s and 603s
what other brands of smaller floorstander can u recommend and their price range? 10-15k
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what other brands of smaller floorstander can u recommend and their price range? 10-15k
Add a little to your budget and audition the 601S3.
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mag paradigm ka na lang doy, add k na lang ng kunti, i think 3-4k more. swabe conbination ng nad and this speaker!
:o
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bump.
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punk you have a pm.
8)
thnx.
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mag paradigm ka na lang doy, add k na lang ng kunti, i think 3-4k more. swabe conbination ng nad and this speaker!
:o
;D nice combination, Paradigm model monitor 3
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Raycor,
Sent u pm.
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;D nice combination, Paradigm model monitor 3
bro, how much ang paradigm ngayon?
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bro, how much ang paradigm ngayon?
check this site bro: http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=16191;start=msg302478#msg302478 i think tuff is selling paradigm monitor 3 series at a very low price. dont know though if its already sold. goodluck.
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Raycor,
Sent u pm.
answered your pm
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bro, how much ang paradigm ngayon?
brand new prize of paradigm monitor 3 ver 1 is 20k+ and for the ver 3 is 26k+
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This is a stupid question:
What is the power consumption of 320bee?
Another stupid question:
If paired with mission m72i, what speaker cables will you guys recommend?
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power consumption: check nad's website www.nadelectronics.com
for cable... any 14 guage speaker cable from SM Hardware Shop is more than good ehough.
bare wire, even.
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power consumption: check nad's website www.nadelectronics.com
for cable... any 14 guage speaker cable from SM Hardware Shop is more than good ehough.
bare wire, even.
punk kid,
you just got yourself a stupid answer to your stupid question! he he he he ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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is this going to be a barewire vs banana plug debate?
It's not like he has expensive speakers, m7x series are just entry level speakers naman eh. I don't start using better cables and connectors until atleast mid level ng mid- fi.
Plus, you know the endless debate naman siguro about bare wire vs connectors. One side believes that connectors are oh som important, the other side believes otherwise.
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medyo OT to ha but i just would like to know, what type of speakers/brands are categorized as (kasalanan to ni grestbop kaya ako napa-isip):
1. entry level
2. mid level
3. high end.
sana mapagbigyan munti kung tanong.
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medyo OT to ha but i just would like to know, what type of speakers/brands are categorized as (kasalanan to ni grestbop kaya ako napa-isip):
1. entry level
2. mid level
3. high end.
sana mapagbigyan munti kung tanong.
depends on your wallet really. but i would rather classify it this way:
[0 - 5,000]
[5,001 - 10,000]
[10,000 - 30,000]
etc... you get my drift? cheap speakers need not be called entry level - because that precludes that there are better speakers.
BUT WHAT IF for you they are the best sounding speakers you have heard, and consider yourself to be in audio nirvana??? does that mean you are not an audiophile because you have "entry level" gear and must upgrade?? not for me ;)
you want to classify objectively, lets use measurable parameters: like price, weight, volume, etc..
thats me ;D
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New batches of the NAD Integrated Amp will be hitting the dealers store...probability by Saturday or Monday nasa kanila yun mga stock...just an announcement..
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medyo OT to ha but i just would like to know, what type of speakers/brands are categorized as (kasalanan to ni grestbop kaya ako napa-isip):
1. entry level
2. mid level
3. high end.
sana mapagbigyan munti kung tanong.
If you have to stratify speakers into those 3 layers, you'd find out that many speakers will fall in each depending on the manufacturer's own categorization, not to mention consumer perception. Entry levels for B&Ws and Sonus Fabers can fall below the P50T price point. While entry levels for Wharfedales and Missions fall below the 15T mark. For mid-level, boy, you have almost the whole range of differing series depending on the manufacturer. All the way to the high end which can start above 350T for the B&W 800 series to the P1.4M Martin Logans and some other unheard of brands.
For some audiophiles, entry levels are below 100T. Hi end, above 500T. And in between are mid-levels. And for others, anything above 100T is hi-end. So there's really no hard classification. I used to classify them before in about the same manner. But it's kinda useless and defeating. These days, I couldn't care less what those classifications mean, as long as listening to what I bought makes my hair stand on end. ;D
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Now a days it is hard to classify which is High or Mid or Entry level.....cause manufacturer resort to different series according to the target market they are approaching....but definitely the sound of most High end level is still uncomparable with the entry or mid of some manufacturer. There are some exception..just in the case of of Klipsch...their mid range level of Synergy SF-2 can be compared with brand B## mid range and brand J## high-end level.
Mas mura pa lumalabas yun Synergy
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Yup, the high-end level of one brand could be comparable to the entry-level or mid-level of another brand.
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sirs,
how do i use banana plugs w/ the 320bee? also, can you suggest a specific brand/type of banana plugs?
many thanks.
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sirs,
how do i use banana plugs w/ the 320bee? also, can you suggest a specific brand/type of banana plugs?
many thanks.
Bro, you can use banana plugs by removing the plastic cover at the back of the speaker terminals. there are no brands for such, just drop by at any AV shops. It costs around 60-75 pesos each
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Bro, you can use banana plugs by removing the plastic cover at the back of the speaker terminals. there are no brands for such, just drop by at any AV shops. It costs around 60-75 pesos each
thanks sir punk. do i just force the cover out? is this really removable?
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Yup, medyo mahirap lang tanggalin yan konting ingat lang.
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Yup, medyo mahirap lang tanggalin yan konting ingat lang.
again, many thanks. wish me luck :-\
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bumblebee,
swissknife or cutter pwede na..
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yakang yaka mo yan pre..... good luck! :D
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there are no brands for such, just drop by at any AV shops. It costs around 60-75 pesos each
kung gusto mo mas mura pa and your'e not allergic to no-name brands, sa ace/handyman/etc, P80 or something, pair na hehe
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kung gusto mo mas mura pa and your'e not allergic to no-name brands, sa ace/handyman/etc, P80 or something, pair na hehe
yup, i've seen those. pero parang makapal? me sizes ba banana plugs?
anyway, i'm not in a hurry naman. i just want things tidy :)
many thanks, v0elker.
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v0elker,
yan din ang gamit ko bro, mura na durable pa hehehe
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tee hee ako din yan din gamit ko eh... medyo malaki nga sya, lalo na kasi medyo nipis cable ko, pero okay lang naman... though medyo tight fit pa ngayon hehehe
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just one more...
what can you recommend as a replacement for the pre-out/main-in connector? one that won't cost a fortune :)
i'm trying to get the best from my system kc. i'm starting w/ speaker cables and ic's kasi nde halata ng wife ko hehehe.
many thanks in advance.
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just one more...
what can you recommend as a replacement for the pre-out/main-in connector? one that won't cost a fortune :)
YUn metal jumper ba?? no need to replace them bro.. ok na yun orig.
i'm trying to get the best from my system kc. i'm starting w/ speaker cables and ic's kasi nde halata ng wife ko hehehe.
many thanks in advance.
Try mo silver Interconnects and XLO speaker wire ER-14 since mataba na sound ng NAD. ;D ;D
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just one more...
what can you recommend as a replacement for the pre-out/main-in connector? one that won't cost a fortune :)
Are you referring to the pre-out/main-in jumpers at the back of receivers/integrateds?
If so, any RCA cable will do. Though I once used a gauge 10 or 12 solid copper (can't recall exactly), cut into 2-inch lengths and bent into u-shapes to connect the pre-out-main-in.
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thanks, sir hans.
how much will the silver interconnects and er-14 cost me? also, where can i get them?
sir avphile,
thanks for the input. will try do it myself soon :)
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thanks, sir hans.
how much will the silver interconnects and er-14 cost me? also, where can i get them?
Try mo sa What Hi-fi sa Makati Cinema Square mayron silang tindang XLO speaker cable. Yung nabili ko is P200 (if i'm not mistaken) per feet di ko lang naitanong kung ER-14 sya.
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pro650f yung nabili mo kimosabe, er-14 costs around 100 pesos per feet. i have a spare er-14 ;D
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pro650f yung nabili mo kimosabe, er-14 costs around 100 pesos per feet. i have a spare er-14 ;D
Ah ok di ko na kasi naitanong i'm in a hurry kasi that time inuunahan ko si misis umuwi sa bahay baka masita ;D. Thanks.
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Ah ok di ko na kasi naitanong i'm in a hurry kasi that time inuunahan ko si misis umuwi sa bahay baka masita ;D. Thanks.
sir kimo, me connectors na ba yung wires?
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Ahihihi.... hirap talaga pag walang approval ang misis sa pagbili ng gears ;D buti sir hindi nahalata yung kulay nung wires mo ;D
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sir kimo, me connectors na ba yung wires?
Wala pa sir, pero pede kang magpalagay sa kanila ng xlo spade connectors with additional fee nga lang.
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Ahihihi.... hirap talaga pag walang approval ang misis sa pagbili ng gears ;D buti sir hindi nahalata yung kulay nung wires mo ;D
buti kamo walang alam sa HT/Audio yung misis ko kaya madaling mabola sa price. kaya nga HK ang binili ko kasi hindi kilalang brand unlike Yamaha, Pioneer, Sony etc. madaling sabihing mumurahin hehehe.
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HI-FI Choice September 2002
"The C320BEE delivers plenty for its asking price?it's a lot of entertainment for the money"
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Hard on the heels of its first glowing review (from What Hi-Fi?, the C320BEE has received five stars for value from another magazine in the UK, Hi-Fi Choice. Here are some excerpts from the review: "BEE, OR Bjorn Erik Edvardsen, has a lot to answer for. Half the hi-fi nutballs in the country caught the audiophile disease because of a product that he created, the NAD 3020: a seminal amp that turned a generation on to hi-fi."
"The new C320BEE was also created by Erik, as he's known in the fjords. Like its ancestor this is a grey-finished no-nonsense integrated amp with line-only inputs and a single set of speaker outputs mounted above NAD's trademark soft clipping switch ? which we left on for this appraisal".
"C320 changes include an increase in rated power from 40 to 50 watts per channel, improved tone control accuracy and the use of a better quality volume control. Frills have been added in the guise of multiroom-installation-friendly infrared connection port in and outputs for genuine remote control and a 12V trigger output for partnering components. The black and white remote is an attractive design which will also operate NAD source components."
"Tested without 'soft clipping,' the C320BEE provides some 2x80W/8 ohms, which increases, barely, to 2x85W into 4-ohm loads under continuous conditions. [NAD Note: These ratings from the magazine are almost twice as much as our rating, which certainly confirms NAD's conservative power specs.]"
"NAD uses a loosely-regulated power supply, which emphasises power output under dynamic, music-like conditions. Here it delivers and impressive 144W, 2555W, 400 watts (14.1A) and 470W (21.7A) into 8, 4, 2, and 1 ohm respectively."
"Whether 'Tone Defeat' is switched in or not, the C320BEE offers a flat (+0.0/-0.2dB) response, proving that the default tone position really is 'flat.'"
"There's no doubting the energy and enthusiasm that the NAD brings ? give it almost any piece of music, even a relaxed one like the Bach guitar and it'll dig out the life and vivacity. Laid back music sounds engaging and higher energy stuff has real 'oomph.' There's plenty of power too, the amp digging deep into the bass on heavy tracks and driving them with gusto."
"The C320BEE delivers plenty for its asking price?it's a lot of entertainment for the money."
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Stereophile
July 2003
Reviewer: Art Dudley
?The C320BEE is a really nice little amp, and totally worthy of whatever laurel leaves the 3020 has shaken from its head...The NAD is musically and sonically accomplished, and is probably about as close to organic sound as you can get for this kind of money."
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Stereophile?s Art Dudley, long-respected for his ?tell-it-like-it-is? style of reviewing has given the C320BEE integrated amp his seal of approval, finding it very musical and worthy of keeping company in a system costing many times its modest price. Here are some excerpts:
?...But nonaudiophile friends and family members keep asking me to recommend good two-channel music systems. With that in mind, I?m on a quest to find the best cheap amp I can...?
?First there?s the NAD C320BEE, which, according to its manufacturer, carries the torch for their well-loved 3020 integrated amp of the late 1970s and early ?80s?this because both products bear the imprint of designer Bjorn Erik Edvandsen.?
?The NAD weighs in a little over 14 lbs., delivers 50Wpc, and has inputs for five line-level sources in addition to two tape loops. The US price of the NAD C320BEE is $399.?
?That?s right: $399. In light of that, the C320?s clean layout and excellent build quality come as nothing less than a shock. The transformer is a toroid, all the output devices and voltage regulators are mounted on generously sized heatsinks, and all the C320?s active parts are discrete. Solid-copper bus bars abound. Connectors are gold-plated and sturdy without being silly about it.?
?The NAD C320BEE sounded surprisingly good at the basics of playing music?listening to this amp was consistently more an exercise in fulfillment than frustration. Driving the Quad ESL-989s or the ?se? version of Spendor?s little S3/5, the C320?s sound was free of noise and artificial texture. It could sound colorful, given the right source?stringed instruments on Ricky Skaggs? well-rounded Bluegrass Rules and Ancient Tones albums sounded warm and real, as did the strings and woodwinds in some of my favorite small-scale classical recordings?and its low-frequency performance was at least darn good, being neither anemic nor slow.?
?Once up and running for a minimum of 20 minutes, the C320 reproduced stereo recordings with excellent depth. Try that first Leonard Cohen album Songs of Leonard Cohen for example, and listen to how pleasantly distant the brushed snare sounds in ?So Long, Marianne,? and how realistic the space is between Lenny and his demure backing singers.?
?The C320 also preserved the music?s sense of flow, regardless of style.?
?...the NAD did a great job playing every track on one of my favorite albums from last year, Built to Spill?s Ancient Melodies of the Future. It got across the buzz?n?chunk of the opening number, ?Strange? in an engaging and convincing way?lots of color, no fatigue?and managed to make the bass-and-drum combination sound impactful and fast at the same time. Ditto the same album?s ?Fly Around My Pretty Little Miss? which scooted right along through the C320.?
?I don?t feel the least bit silly putting a $399 integrated amp in the same system with a $3500 SACD player, $8000 speakers, and God only knows how many dollars worth of cables. The C320BEE is a really nice little amp and totally worthy of whatever laurel leaves the 3020 has shaken from its head. (I know because I used to own one?and I?ve owned the 1020 preamp that was derived from it, too.) The NAD is musically and sonically accomplished, and is probably about as close to organic sound as you can get for this kind of money.?
?[Comparing the C320 to the Rotel RA-02]...the NAD C320BEE?s music-making is more to my taste; I?d be willing to sacrifice any number of conveniences for its smoothness and surprisingly good level of involvement.?
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mga bros,
where can i find tara labs RSC® Link? im thinking of replacing the preout/main-in jumper of the c320bee.
many thanks :)
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what about nadc320 with bw's 303?
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that combo should be ok. also try ma b2, ae evo 1, ms 912 and usher s520 :)
happy hunting :)
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Can't really say that I've auditioned the C320BEE but I've had the original NAD 3020B and spent my College days in the States with also another 3020. If the new C320 has the same sonic characters of its ancestor then this is one of the easiest Amps to match :) All depends on the kind of music you listen to. I can't get over it! I've been distant from NAD for a long time but the 3020 has been my longest bedroom companion since I was College. WOW! How much do these new ones cost?
Going back to speaker matching: Assuming the 320 has the same DNA, Rich and warm mids and soothing highs and rolling bass? For Jazz/Classical I matched this with Tannoy Mercury, More dynamics, clarity and details could be retrieved with perhaps the B&W 601. I would dare to say that it is better to err on the bright side for speakers.
Hope the 320 becomes another Giant Killer like it's ancestor the 3020.
BTW does the 320 also have an MM/MC phono stage?
Cheers! :)
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the c320bee has no MM/MC phono stage. it's not a giant killer like the 3020 but is well thought of. the giants now are just too much, too good.
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kaya bang i-drive ng nad 320bee yung ae evo3?
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i believe kaya.... ;D
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inaudition ko yung nad 320bee and nad 352 sa spectra yesterday. bakit somehow i get the feeling na mas maganda tumunog yung 320bee sa 352? i need inputs..have any of you experienced the difference between the two models?
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352 is less warm but more extended highs, for me compare the amps 352 is more neutral than 320bee and the bass of 352 is tight and deep, 320 has a rounded bass character it depends on your music genre for me i like the 352 for all around music but either of the two you can't go wrong. I hope this help.
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Both are fine amp. I prefer the 320, the 30watts difference is almost nothing. They sound the same except the 352 can go deeper but for me a bit muddy. If you read the review of what hifi, the first review was a dissapointment, then Nad rework the bottom end parang napasobra ata and the result is 5 stars. If I were you I'll get the 320 then add a power amp like the 270 or the new 272. If the budget is tight maghihintay na lang ako ng older model like the 370 and 350. IMO they sound better than the new model.For the price of a new 352 you can get a used 370. BTW the new 372 received only 3 stars and this is the one to avoid according to what hifi.
Good luck