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Title: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: jaythan96 on Mar 13, 2016 at 12:29 AM
90movies  10music

semifinal.hehehe
due to budget problem(going to 7.1).suggestion lng mga master

a.  wharfedale 230          floorstander
     onkyo444

          or

b   wharfedale 220               bookshelf
      marco pilyo sub
      onkyo 444

c    or kung may magbebenta dyan ng mura
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Icermad on Mar 13, 2016 at 01:32 AM
I vote floorstanders for movies :) how much is your budget?
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: zram18 on Mar 13, 2016 at 06:16 AM
my vote goes to letter b. Settings mo sa receiver ay small din naman so same lang din bs at fs.also fs cannot reproduce lfe movie effects like rumbling sound bomb explosions etc

Just my opinion po.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: dts_hdma on Mar 13, 2016 at 06:24 AM
bookshelves. 5.1 is enough if on a budget.  ;)
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: jaythan96 on Mar 13, 2016 at 07:39 AM
ang original ko kasing plan ay bookshelf plus sub kaso may npuntahan ko store ang sabi skin floorstander daw at ilarge ko mna daw.

ska ganun b tlga yung mga stand ng bookshelf magalaw at parang babagsak?

first audition ko kahapon.ngyn balik n naman ko makati baka mkhanap ulit ng maaudition in ayala area
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: qguy on Mar 13, 2016 at 08:19 AM
ang original ko kasing plan ay bookshelf plus sub kaso may npuntahan ko store ang sabi skin floorstander daw at ilarge ko mna daw.


Whoever said that does not know what he is talking about. Stay away from that store :)  UNLESS he meant buy the FS first and add the sub later on.....

IMHO,  I would rather have  an entry level  bookshelf with an awesome sub, vs an awesome bookshelf with a entry level subwoofer

For HT, the SUB is VERY VERY critical. 

Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Courage on Mar 13, 2016 at 08:32 AM
B for me... Bookshelf and sub
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: rochie on Mar 13, 2016 at 08:45 AM
sinabi mo ata kasi na hindi ka sa kanya bibili ng sub kaya ang nirecommend sayo floorstanding para mas mahal compare sa bookshelf hehehe, tama ang sabi nung mga naunang nag reply,mas ok may sub pag ht kahit bookshelf lang kesa floorstanding lang.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Icermad on Mar 13, 2016 at 09:07 AM
Ay sorry didn't notice na walang sub yung fs.. yeah mas ok may sub for movies... so changing my vote to B.. gawin mo nalang pang surrounds pag nagkabudget na to acquire a floorstanders
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 13, 2016 at 09:28 AM
Ako FS + powerful receiver + sub hehe!
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: jaythan96 on Mar 13, 2016 at 09:47 AM
Whoever said that does not know what he is talking about. Stay away from that store :)  UNLESS he meant buy the FS first and add the sub later on.....

IMHO,  I would rather have  an entry level  bookshelf with an awesome sub, vs an awesome bookshelf with a entry level subwoofer

For HT, the SUB is VERY VERY critical.

balak ko kasi yun muna then after 1 month bili ulit hangang mabuo yung 5.1

pero mga 1-2 minths pa bago ko makakabili ng speaker ulit.kaya tinanung ko kng fs or bs plus sub mna

yung sa bs ska sub kasi baka d n k mkbili ng fs kagad kasi gsto ko sa surround e yung dfs.ang mangyayari e ibebenta k n aya.ayoko nman sna ng ganun
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: pa3ck608 on Mar 13, 2016 at 10:08 AM
Based on your options and application, I would choose B. Mas significant difference ang maibibigay ng may sub compared if you settle for an FS w/o sub.

But if your plan is building piece by piece and eventually setup a 5.1 system, then FS may be a better choice, im not just sure if your chosen receiver can make it perform to its full potential for other applications.
 
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: DTNS on Mar 13, 2016 at 10:13 AM
what's your room size?

if you have a large room, floorstander. if you have a small room, bookshelf.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: sovrain on Mar 13, 2016 at 10:24 AM
B, then upgrade later to FS, then assign the BS to surround...
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: roygee on Mar 13, 2016 at 10:29 AM
you'll most probably also buy speaker stands for BS, konti diff na lang FS na
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: jaythan96 on Mar 13, 2016 at 11:43 AM
setting sa small to fs and bs malaki ba difference?

yung size ng room mga 30-35 sqm kasama n dining area kasi open sya

meron pa ba na audio store dto sa ayala.galing n ko khpon sa spectra.bka meron pa kasi andto ulit ako sa ayala for a seminar
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: markcrenz on Mar 13, 2016 at 11:44 AM
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Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: zram18 on Mar 13, 2016 at 12:53 PM
Meron jan sa listen up makati glorieta 4. 3rd floor location malapit sa mercury drug. Try both fs & bs.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: jaythan96 on Mar 13, 2016 at 12:58 PM
sir marcrenz salamat sa pag post ng mga link.hndi k pa nababasa lahat.umpisa p lng very imformative.nsa seminar pa kasi ako

san n lng po meron pang audio shop dto sa ayala beside sa spectra?
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: czarsky on Mar 13, 2016 at 01:25 PM
Listen Up Glorietta, ung cnabi ni zram sa taas, mas mura pa presto nila at madami din choices
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: jaythan96 on Mar 13, 2016 at 02:27 PM
salamat sir.yung gwardiya n mga tinanungan k kng may audio shop sa area puro wla snabi yung isa sarado n daw..hehehe
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: dodie on Mar 13, 2016 at 02:43 PM
Nasa ayala ka na din lang bossing, pumunta ka na din sa greenbelt. Sa Architectural audio. Tapos diretso ka sa makati cinema square between pasong tamo and amorsolo..punta ka sa basement nandun whathifi.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: czarsky on Mar 13, 2016 at 03:00 PM
Nasa Glorietta din nga pala yung Sound Dimension, kung B&W ang hanap mo  :D sa may harap ng Buffet 101 lng sila, lapit din lang sa Spectra
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: praktikal on Mar 14, 2016 at 12:16 PM
1-2 months ang pagitan ng upgrade, why not wait para isang setup na lang? While iniipon mo ang pera, gamitin mo ang oras sa pag audition ng sa ganun mas lalawak ang kaalaman mo at iwas papalit palit. Consider mo din ang ibang brands? .1 man ang turing sa subwoofer pero wag mong balewalain. 5.1 is ok pang start lalo na kung magiging problema mo kung saan ilagay ang 2 speakers since open kamo kasama ang dining. Hth

Btw, avoid text speak po. ;)
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Trig on Mar 14, 2016 at 04:01 PM
if you have the space for Floorstanders, i suggest you get FS. But be patient. It might be better to save up for 3-5 months then try to get a good deal on a set
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: muypogi on Mar 15, 2016 at 08:34 AM
Big Bookshelf
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: MrDeckard on Jul 16, 2016 at 10:02 PM
Have a 6m x6m x 8ft room. Definitely floorstander?
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: zram18 on Jul 16, 2016 at 10:32 PM
Fs for dat size,no doubt. Bs is for small room 20sqm below as per wharfedale standards. Due to space constraints not all can use fs,hence its a privilege. Besides,fs really sounds better esp for music than bs as a rule.
Its more pricey though..
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: markcrenz on Jul 18, 2016 at 10:51 AM
Besides,fs really sounds better esp for music than bs as a rule.
That's a rule?
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: MrDeckard on Jul 18, 2016 at 05:29 PM
I presently use a Dali Zensor 3 mated to a Marantz pm6005.

Need to upgrade to a floorstander to fill my 6mx6m room? Any recommendations? I suppose i need to change my amp as well.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 18, 2016 at 08:49 PM
I presently use a Dali Zensor 3 mated to a Marantz pm6005.

Need to upgrade to a floorstander to fill my 6mx6m room? Any recommendations? I suppose i need to change my amp as well.

Malaki na din ang 6m X 6m. Depende din actually kung may nagustuhan kang FS. May nabasa ako na sometimes, a FS is a BS with stands. May mga BS din kasi that can beat some FS with ease. For me I think your room can accomodate a FS provided na may nagustuhan ka talagang FS.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Courage on Jul 18, 2016 at 09:21 PM
I presently use a Dali Zensor 3 mated to a Marantz pm6005.

Need to upgrade to a floorstander to fill my 6mx6m room? Any recommendations? I suppose i need to change my amp as well.

Tannoy Precision 6.2 or the cheaper Tannoy XT6F
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: qguy on Jul 18, 2016 at 10:19 PM
Have you tried added a subwoofer ?

I presently use a Dali Zensor 3 mated to a Marantz pm6005.

Need to upgrade to a floorstander to fill my 6mx6m room? Any recommendations? I suppose i need to change my amp as well.
Title: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: MrDeckard on Jul 19, 2016 at 06:52 AM
Have you tried added a subwoofer ?

Adding a sub will require me to get a new amp as well (pm6005 has mo sub out).

Thats why am considering a full revamp as cost may not be far off if i sell my gear.

Cant seem to find anybody who has a Dali zensor 3 with sub set up.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: MrDeckard on Jul 19, 2016 at 06:53 AM
Tannoy Precision 6.2 or the cheaper Tannoy XT6F
Ill check out sir. What the ideal midpriced amp for this? Thanks!
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: dodie on Jul 19, 2016 at 09:01 AM
Adding a sub will require me to get a new amp as well (pm6005 has mo sub out).

Thats why am considering a full revamp as cost may not be far off if i sell my gear.

Cant seem to find anybody who has a Dali zensor 3 with sub set up.

yung kunin mo sir na sub may speaker level connection para pwede sa amp mo. REL subs lahat may speakon connectors...
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: DTNS on Jul 19, 2016 at 09:48 AM
Adding a sub will require me to get a new amp as well (pm6005 has mo sub out).

Thats why am considering a full revamp as cost may not be far off if i sell my gear.

Cant seem to find anybody who has a Dali zensor 3 with sub set up.

you can use a REL or a Sumiko sub, which uses a Neutrik speakon connection if you don't have a sub-out. ;)
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: synchro_01 on Jul 19, 2016 at 10:30 AM
That's a rule?

Well the Dynaudio Special 25 has something to say about that
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: MrDeckard on Jul 19, 2016 at 12:42 PM
yung kunin mo sir na sub may speaker level connection para pwede sa amp mo. REL subs lahat may speakon connectors...
Salamat
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: MrDeckard on Jul 19, 2016 at 12:46 PM
Am sure there are compromises on the neutrik speakon connect. Can you tell me any downsides
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Icermad on Jul 19, 2016 at 01:08 PM
Goldenear na sir :)
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: markcrenz on Jul 19, 2016 at 02:08 PM
I presently use a Dali Zensor 3 mated to a Marantz pm6005.

Need to upgrade to a floorstander to fill my 6mx6m room? Any recommendations? I suppose i need to change my amp as well.
Argh, square room! Treat the room muna.

 
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: DTNS on Jul 19, 2016 at 02:14 PM
Argh, square room! Treat the room muna.

 

+1
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Cjtjader on Jul 19, 2016 at 02:24 PM
Any type of speakers will do. Just experiment for the right speaker placement or position..
 Here is a helpful link
http://www.cardas.com/room_setup_main.php (http://www.cardas.com/room_setup_main.php)
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: MrDeckard on Jul 19, 2016 at 05:35 PM
Where can i get these Rel subs? Any local distro?
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: qguy on Jul 19, 2016 at 06:50 PM
None as far as I know....its the recommended connection from REL

Am sure there are compromises on the neutrik speakon connect. Can you tell me any downsides
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: mbtorn on Jul 19, 2016 at 06:55 PM
Where can i get these Rel subs? Any local distro?

Meron yan sa:

Watts Hifi (MCS Makati look for Rex)
AVShop
Sound and Vision (c/o Tein)
Decibel Audio

Check mo yung marketplace.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: qguy on Jul 19, 2016 at 06:55 PM
Check out SVS too, they have subs with speaker level connection and their much cheaper and performance is bang for the buck



Where can i get these Rel subs? Any local distro?
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 19, 2016 at 09:39 PM
Argh, square room! Treat the room muna.
+1

Tama. Treating a room is also equivalent to upgrading your gears in terms of improvement. Minsan mas-signaficant pa ang improvement. Alam ko meron tayong suking mabait at poging seller sa marketplace. He has absorbers and diffusers din. AFAIK, may ilalabas pa siyang new product, yun fabric lined acoustic absorbers for those who deem WAF as very important.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Jul 19, 2016 at 09:57 PM
What is the primary intention for the room?
Is it music or HT?
The gears and speakers you will use is greatly dependent on the intended purpose.
Apology in advance if I missed out on the intended use of the room.

Have a 6m x6m x 8ft room. Definitely floorstander?
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: markcrenz on Jul 19, 2016 at 10:28 PM
^ Jojo I think it's for music. Marantz PM6005 is an integrated amplifier.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Deckard on Jul 19, 2016 at 10:45 PM
@CoolToysPh -- Yes, for Music strictly.
@Nelson, -- on side of the room as Heavy Thick drapes spanning  4 meters. Across the speakers are open cabinets.
Title: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: parasound on Jul 19, 2016 at 11:16 PM
If for music, consider DIY with bigger diameter woofer 12" to 15" or Klipsch Heresy (new or old production) & forget about the .1 (sub) if no problem with space.

@CoolToysPh -- Yes, for Music strictly.
@Nelson, -- on side of the room as Heavy Thick drapes spanning  4 meters. Across the speakers are open cabinets.



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Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 20, 2016 at 05:37 PM
@CoolToysPh -- Yes, for Music strictly.
@Nelson, -- on side of the room as Heavy Thick drapes spanning  4 meters. Across the speakers are open cabinets.

Drapes is good sir. It can absorb high frequencies. It may also have an effect on mid-high frequencies depending on what is behind the drapes.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: MrDeckard on Jul 20, 2016 at 08:41 PM
Last question mga master, if i stick to bookshelf speakers, will a Rel T5 be sufficient, or i need a T7. The latter is significantly pricier
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: muypogi on Jul 20, 2016 at 09:34 PM
Kung audio lang 1 REL T5 will do . .
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Jul 20, 2016 at 10:43 PM
+1
Kung audio lang 1 REL T5 will do . .
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: mbtorn on Jul 20, 2016 at 10:45 PM
Kung audio lang 1 REL T5 will do . .

+ 2...make it two T5 na ftw. ;D
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: MrDeckard on Jul 21, 2016 at 09:49 PM
I got the t7. World of difference
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 21, 2016 at 10:43 PM
I got the t7. World of difference

Ang bilis ah! Proper sub integration na lang, it will be like wala kang sub.
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: MrDeckard on Jul 22, 2016 at 08:20 AM
I put the t7 within 3 ft from left front and in the corner of room. Sounded ok. Just need to play around with location. Wife approved!
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Courage on Jul 22, 2016 at 08:31 AM
I got the t7. World of difference

Awesome.. I love Rel subs... As per sir Nelson, proper integration na lang kelangan which is actually the hard part...
Title: Re: bookshelf or floorstander
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 22, 2016 at 09:13 AM
I put the t7 within 3 ft from left front and in the corner of room. Sounded ok. Just need to play around with location. Wife approved!

Sir kung kaya sa center ang location, better. Minsan they lows tend to sound biased sa sides especially kung walang kasabay na lows from the speakers.