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Home Theater => Audio => Amplifier => Topic started by: nujnuj on Sep 06, 2001 at 11:30 PM
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Good day :).
I would like just to ask recommendations regarding DD and/or DTS receiver/processor.
I am planning to buy one.
1. How much would I invest?
2. What are models and their prices?
3. Is there a model wherein DD and DTS in one receiver/processor?
4. What brand do you recommend?
5. What is the cheapest yet a good performer?
Thanx. :D
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--> 1. How much would I invest?
It depends on the rest of your system. If you have a multi-megabuck set of speakers (e.g., B&W Nautilus/Dunlavy SCIV) , a ~PhP25k Onkyo TX-DS575x won't do.
To play it safe, PhP25k for a receiver would be a good enough number for budgetting purposes. You can buy models cheaper than PhP25k but at least you have the leeway to choose the next step up in you wanted/needed to.
--> 2. What are models and their prices?
Talk to Electro-Depot who is also a member of this forum. They have a shop at Libis that sells receivers/processors. And go to the malls. A few months back I posted a mini-review of the stores you can go to. Just do a search.
--> 3. DD and DTS in one receiver/processor?
The latest models (even those of two years back) would typically have both DD & DTS. In fact, newer ones would have new formats/decoding schemes like DPL2, DTS-ES, DD-EX, etc.
--> 4. What brand do you recommend?
--> 5. What is the cheapest yet a good performer?
After listening to Yamaha, Onkyo, Denon, Sony, Sherwood, Rotel, NAD, etc., my personal choice is the Onkyo for entry-level models then NAD for mid-level models. I'm not saying Denon or Yamaha is bad, their sonic character just isn't to my liking. This is very subjetive so you should go listen for yourself.
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noted. i'll try to see the specs of the Onkyo on the net.
thanx rtsy. :)
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I think your first question will influence the answer for your other questions. If you have a tight budget go for the entry level like the Yamaha 496 or Onkyo 484 which is more or less 17-19T+ and add a little bit more and you get a denon 1601. With more budget around 25-30T you can get mid models from the same brands and you get more power and better features. If you have more budget your choices becomes wider. I think the choice can only be made by listening and trying them out. I think choosing what brand is like choosing between Benz, BMW, Jaguar or Volvo. There are all good its just matter of taste and requirements. I suggest dont decide now since there are new Receivers coming like the Denon 1602 or Onkyo 494 with DPL2 . They will be available anytime now. I wont recommend you get the lowest model if you can stretch your budget. I made that mistake so now Im saving again for a better receiver even if its only two months old. Im satisfied and happy with the Yamaha 496 but I need more features and I only realize it when I bought it. I suggest go for the mid models but if you have unlimited budget go for the best.
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thanx levi. :)
what are the features that the 496 lacks?
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Nujnuj,
I just need more inputs and Im interested with DPL2. I was not thinking about it when I got the 496. Another thing is the audio. Not too much setting for audio like 5 channel stereo. Other than that okay naman yung receiver it sound very good and very simple and a lot of features for HT. Medyo tight kasi budget ko and I wanted to upgrade na agad (You shouldnt rush when buying).Dont think that Yamaha is not good, I recommend that you try it. Try also Harman Kardon receiver, I saw it in audio den this afternoon, around 19T+ lang. Looks okay but this time I want to make sure before I buy again.
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mr. electronics depot man,
do you accept BPI deferred scheme? Do you have other branches aside from the one in Libis? Thanks
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--> I think choosing what brand
--> is like choosing between Benz,
--> BMW, Jaguar or Volvo. There are
--> all good its just matter of taste
--> and requirements.
Hmm, pero di ba kung Onkyo/Denon/Yamaha level eh ang analogy is closer to Toyota/Honda? Kasi kung Benz/BMW, eh dapat mga Theta/Mark Levinson etc. na ang katapat. :)
On a separate note, I just wanted to reiterate...your choice of electronics would be dependent on your choice of speakers. If it were my money, I'd choose speakers first before a receiver since speakers typically last an upgrade or two. Your receiver will be good only till the next major format (e.g., when DVD-A or multichannel SACD comes to full bloom).
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--> do you accept BPI deferred scheme?
Naku! Utang para sa bisyo. :)
Seriously, I did this once when I bought my first LD player. Since then, I've personally vowed never to finance hi-fi/HT ever again. If I don't have the cash to pay in full, then I don't deserve the upgrade.
This personal policy made me more prudent in saving and choosing my next purchase. Bu then again, your mileage may vary.
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among rtsy,
your point is well taken, thank you. :) Since this would be my first attempt in a HT setup, I would like to carefully select the components I need. I've started off with a pioneer dvd player which is currently hooked to a kenwood stereo receiver with Wharfedale Diamond Vs. I noticed most of the recommended receivers doesn't include pioneer, why so?
I'm thinking of purchasing front speakers first before the receiver; what models would suit a small living room? budget probably would be 12k
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ED,
Just called at ED, Denon 1602 is P23,000. Wala daw sale!
Any discounts?
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YEs, We have both Visa and BPI installment Package.
We only have 1 branch in Libis and out entry level speakers range for home theater is a Denon floor standing speakers for only 14995 without subs.
thank you.
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MyNameIsWalts,
--> among rtsy
Wow. As in, tuta, maamo? :)
--> your point is well taken, thank you. :)
Just to be sure and safe, I am not in any way saying people who use credit card financing should be shot. I am merely sharing my own thoughts/values on this practice. If on the other hand, setting up the HT by card financing will:
1--save you more money since hindi ka na manonood ng sine sa labas
2--save a marriage/get you committed to a great partner
3--make you the most satisfied and happy person you think you could be
then by all means, charge it! :)
--> I noticed most of the recommended
--> receivers doesn't include pioneer, why so?
I can only remember 1 Pioneer integrated amp I liked. The A400X. And I liked it since it doesn't have the characteristic Pioneer amp sound...rather bright, bass-light.
Good question though...I also often wonder why Pioneer's great success with DVD players and RPTVs did not ripple through their receiver line.
--> I'm thinking of purchasing front speakers
--> first before the receiver
Great idea. IMHO, speakers define the overall character of your set-up. The electronics you'd buy would depend on how well they'd match your chosen set of speakers. Ideally of course, you buy the best matching electronic/speaker set-up but few of us can do this in one blow.
--> what models would suit a small
--> living room? budget probably would be 12k
Many spekers can be had at or below PhP12k. I'd shorlist the new B&W 300 series, Mission 771/772 or even the 73 or 70-series. I'd visit Upscale and hear PSB New Alpha and Acoustic Energy Aegis 100. I'd probably also check out Paradigm over at Audio Den. And of course, I'd look for Tannoy Mercury's.
Bring you favorite CDs and DVDs. And make sure to try to audition with a complete HT set-up so you are able to set a goal/target.
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rtsy,
among tunay ;D
hehehe, thanks for your reply; I'll check out the models that you recommended.
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ED, once you have in in stock (1602), kindly post it here, I'm interested.
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ED, once you have in in stock (1602), kindly post it here, I'm interested.
Hi Alfie,
Been to ED yesterday, saw about 6 or more Denon 1602 at the store. Don't know if all are reserve already, but the store clerk offered it to me at 23K. The people there has no idea on the sale posted here, but indicated that their manager was the one to decide on it.
Zephyr
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Zephyr, Thanks man, will check it out.
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Electronics Depot, Am I seeing it right Php 18995.00 for the 1602, If so, kindly reserve one for me. Thanks.
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Electronics Depot, Also, If ever, When to get, whom to talk to, so I can avail of the discount,etc...Thanks again.
Hope this transaction pushes thru.
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ED, ano ang cheapest DD processor nyo? n how much?
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Hi Electronics-Depot,
Thanks for having the sale for PinoyDVD members. I'm sure someone here will benefit.
I'm primarily interested in either the Denon AVR-1802 or AVR-2802. Do you carry those as well, if so, how much are they? Thank you.
-Pep
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ED,
How long will your sale for PinoyDVD last? Do you have limited units only for the sale? I want to know lang sana because Im planning sell my Yamaha 496 which I got last month only pero baka ubos na 1602 by the time I sell my amp and balik na sa original price ang 1602.
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look at this site for the Denon 1602 w/ DPL 2:
http://www.denon.com/catalog/photo.asp?s=home&p=AVR%2D1602&f=1602front+final%2Ejpg&c=2
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Hey ED,
Thnaks for giving the members of PinoyDVD special discount on the Denon 1602. ;D
Same as PEP, Im more interested with the Denon AVR 2802 (6X 90watts, DTS EX, DD EX, Dolby Prologic II, preamp outputs for all channels, etc.), do you have this in stock? How much?
If not, kailan kaya? I know that it is very limited even in America.
Thanks!
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Thank you for all your support.
Dolby Pro Logic II is a technological breakthrough!!!
Denon 1602 has been sold out!!!
1602, 1802, and 3802 is coming next month, prices to be determined!
Thank you all..
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Hello there! I was looking at the Denon 1602 and it has an output of 75 watts per channel in 6 ohms or 8 ohms. What does this mean? If I have speakers of 100 watts each would this amp power them. What if the other way around like having an amp with an output wattage more than my speakers. Would this cause damage to my speakers? I am no techie hope you guys can help me with this. I am eyeing an Onkyo 595 amp with the same wattage output for upgrade (DD, DTS, DPL 2)
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Hello there! I was looking at the Denon 1602 and it has an output of 75 watts per channel in 6 ohms or 8 ohms. What does this mean? If I have speakers of 100 watts each would this amp power them. What if the other way around like having an amp with an output wattage more than my speakers. Would this cause damage to my speakers? I am no techie hope you guys can help me with this. I am eyeing an Onkyo 595 amp with the same wattage output for upgrade (DD, DTS, DPL 2)
it is better to use an amp with an output wattage more than what the power spec of your speakers coz using a smaller amp may actually damage your speakers. it is actually easier to damage a speaker with low power because power does not damage speakers, distortion does. nabasa ko lang ito sa isang site sa internet. very informative especially yung isang topic doon tungkol sa bose. i was a bose fan then, but nung ienumerate niya ang mga reasons not to buy bose speakers, napunta ang hilig ko sa mga di kilala but really good speakers like paradigm,b&w,dynaudio etc.
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Enygma- Thanks for your reply! If most of the HT speakers, I guess the good ones are selling speakers w/c carry at least 100 watts, why are they releasing new models of receivers with low ouput/channel wattage? Especially the ones with DPL 2? :-/
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Enygma- Thanks for your reply! If most of the HT speakers, I guess the good ones are selling speakers w/c carry at least 100 watts, why are they releasing new models of receivers with low ouput/channel wattage? Especially the ones with DPL 2? :-/
yung nakikita nating 100 watts for example sa likod ng speaker natin, usually yun na ang maximum power wattage na kakayanin ng speaker natin but if you will read the specs of the speaker (yung brochure itself) nakalagay doon ang minumum or recommended input power na pwede nating gamitin. for a 100 watts speaker, 25watts up to 75 watts ang recommended ng most speaker manufacturers.
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enygma - so what you mean to say is that even if I had speakers with 100 watts max output, I can still go for the receivers with only 75 wattage output per channel and not harming the speakers or the amp? I'm really dumb when it comes to these technical haloobaloo. And it could help me make my decisions re: buying a DPL 2 receiver with only 75 watts/channel output compared to just a DD/DTS receiver but with 100 watts/channel ouput. Which would you suggest? my front, center and surround speakers are all 100 watts. What receiver would be OK for this set-up? Thanks!
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nirvblakr - check this site. it will help you a lot in selecting your home theater equipment. it's really informative and dito mo makikita ang sagot sa tanong mo.
http://www.geocities.com/m_churches/ht.htm
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enygma- thanks man! you really helped me there! :D
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Ok din ba yun Yamaha DSP-E492?
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Meron ba kayong alam na murang receiver o amplifier na may 5.1 analog inputs? kahit fake
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yamaha 592 ata yun, yung pioneer 608/606 din yata, im not very sure kasi medyo luma na yung mga models na yan, i'll check unit later
sakura baka meron din
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ok thanks. pero mahal pa rin yung mga yun e.
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8)Check this web page for detailed infos on home theater systems: http://www.crutchfield.com/infolib/S-w8rVtQBWJP9/homeindex.asp (the home theater guide - Acrobat File - is highly recommended - detailed home theater helps from systems to popcorn). Also, if you're looking for cheaper speakers with the Bose sound quality - Cambridge Soundworks is highly recommended (www.cambridgesoundworks.com). Consider their Home Ensemble III model. Receivers priced at P10~15000 (US$200) range - I found JVC-RX6010 competitive vs. Kenwood-VR505,Onkyo-TX8211,Sony STRDE475
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Ok din ba yun Yamaha DSP-E492?
Imerb,
If I remember correctly, the DSP-E492 is a pre-amp/processor with 3 amplifier channels to drive the center and rears. It's meant to be an add-on so stereo only amplifiers can be converted to a full HT.
I personally agree with the concept of the DSP-E492 as a pre-pro. First, it's Yamaha inside so you get top-notch DPL/DD/DTS processing. Plus, it allows you to retain decent stereo set-up.
What I'm not that comfortable in is the amplifier section. It may work OK if you also have a Yamaha integrsted/pre and power amp for your front mains but I don't remember and such Yamaha stereo gear that I liked.
The other issue is system matching. It's critical (though more so for speakers than for electronics) that the front array have the same sonic character. I'm not sure how a Yamaha amplified center would sound when paired to a warmish NAD/Rotel/Harman Kardon integrated driving the mains.
The best is to try it out. If you do, please share your experience with us. Thanks.
--Russ
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Imerb,
How much are you willing to spend for the receiver? I got a Yamaha RX-V393 at Raon for 11,000. But that was almost two years ago.
The reason I mention "two years ago" is not so much as the price may have increased (These are old discontinued Yamaha models, so they should be more reasonably priced.), but rather they may have run out of stock.
Nevertheless, you might wanna try looking around there as they should have some units available. I bought mine at a store named Ang Brothers.
BTW, the 393 is ProLogic only but has six channel inputs for decoder or DVD with decoder. 50W lang per front channels (including center) and 20 lang for the surrounds. If you want more juice, try hunting around for the 493 or the 592.
The nice thing is they all come in BLACK
Hope this helps :)
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I already saw this 592. but i cant remember what store
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To all HT "guru",
I presently own a DD rcvr with a 5.1 ch input, and I wish to make it DTS compatible. Pls give me your suggestions if it would be economical to buy a new DVD player with on board dts decoder or should I buy a seperate decoder for this? ???
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PEDOR2,
Posted by: pedor2 Posted on: 09/20/01 at 5:28pm
To all HT "guru",
I presently own a DD rcvr with a 5.1 ch input, and I wish to make it DTS compatible. Pls give me your suggestions if it would be economical to buy a new DVD player with on board dts decoder or should I buy a seperate decoder for this?
BROTHER HINDI NAMAN SA PINAPAGASTOS KITA BUT MY ADVICE IS TO GO FOR "SEPARATES", BALE IF EVER NA MAY BUDGET KA AY BUY A DTS PROCESSOR NA LANG AT MAPAPAKINABANGAN MO PA DIN YUNG PRESENT AMP MO.
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AY GO FOR "SEPARATES" IKA NGA AY INDIVIDUAL DUTY FOR EVERY COMPONENT.
KASI PAG ALL IN ONE AY BIHIRA YUNG NAIA-UPGRADE PA.
I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE,
PAG MINI OR MIDI COMPONENT NASIRA ANG CD PLAYER AY PARANG TUNER OR TAPE PLAYER NA LANG SIYA LALO NA MAHAL PAGAWA NG LENS IF EVER NA LENS HA, UNLIKE KUNG SEPARATE COMPONENT YAN, MASIRA MAN ANG CD PLAYER MO AY PWEDE MONG PALITAN OR IPAGAWA DIN NG HINDI APEKTADO ANG IBANG UNIT AND STILL ENJOYING YOUR OTHER ORIGINAL SETUP BALE ISA LANG ANG DADALHIN MO SA SHOP HINDI TULAD PAG COMBO PAG NASIRA YUNG ISA, SIGURADONG LAHAT AY DADALHIN MO SA PAGAWAAN AT HALOS WALANG WAY FOR UPGRADING. HINDI KA NA MAKAPAKIKINIG SA BALITA MAN LANG KASI NGA LAHAT AY NASA PAGAWAAN.
ALSO YUNG TV NA MAY VHS AY GANUN DIN PAG NASIRA ANG ISA KAILANGAN MONG DALHIN LAHAT SA SHOP YUNG UNIT, E KUNG VHS LANG SANA ANG SIRA PWEDE KA PANG MANOOD NG TV WHILE YOUR VHS IS IN SERVICE OR KUNG YUNG TV NAMAN ANG NASIRA AY INSTALL ANG VHS SA OTHER TV NAMAN WHILE YOUR TV IS IN THE SHOP.
SA DECODER AY GANUN DIN IF YOUR PRESENT AMP STILL SOUNDS GOOD THEN YUNG DECODER LANG ANG UPGRADE MO HINDI TULAD PAG BUO NA SYANG AV RECEIVER PAG MAY LUMABAS NA BAGONG AUDIO FORMAT PALIT LAHAT NG AVR YAN KASI YOUR STRIVING FOR IMPROVEMENT DIBA?
MUCH BETTER DIN KUNG ANG AMPLIFIER AY INDEPENDENT PER CHANNEL FOR EXAMPLE KUNG ILANG CHANNEL ANG PROCESSOR OUTPUT AY YUN DIN ANG NUMBER OF YOUR MONO AMPLIFIERS.
PARA PAG NAGKAROON PA NG MGA HIGHER THAN 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 PA YAN AY DECODER NA LANG ANG PAPALITAN MO AND ADDITIONAL MONO AMP NA LANG ULIT.
BINGO!
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To all HT "guru",
I presently own a DD rcvr with a 5.1 ch input, and I wish to make it DTS compatible. Pls give me your suggestions if it would be economical to buy a new DVD player with on board dts decoder or should I buy a seperate decoder for this? ???
Get a separate decoder. Gives you more flexibility.
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anybody here has comments on HT-in-a-box? What are its pros and cons? I've been looking at a unit the Kenwood HTB-504 at crutchfield and its very tempting to buy considering it has DPL2. The good thing I surmise with this is that you have already matching speakers for the amp and you don't have to worry about making a mistake of buying non-timbre-matched speakers with your amp. What gives???
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Get a separate decoder. Gives you more flexibility.
Hi ekime,
What DTS decoder ba ang mga available na that you guys can recommend ??? and how much are these :P ::), just asking.
Thanx.
ZEPHYR
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Hi ekime,
What DTS decoder ba ang mga available na that you guys can recommend ??? and how much are these :P ::), just asking.
Thanx.
ZEPHYR
The good ole bang for the buck:
1) Technics SH-AC300D MSRP of $300, but you should be able to find it for less, though. The used market should be your best bet as this has been discontinued. If you find one, let me know, I'm looking for one too.
2) Millenium 2.4.6 DTS. $200 for the 220v version. See here http://www.5point1.com/millennium.htmlThey ship internationally.
:)
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ekime,
okey yung technics at nakadinig na din ako nun na naka feed sa thx 6-channel power amp.
okey din yung VANTAS and B&K brands na processor and problema lang ay availability dito sa pilipinas.
meron na kayang YAMAHA DSP-E800 dito sa pilipinas?
saan kaya nakakabili nun?
sa may shangrila edsa kaya yung nagtitinda ng mga yamaha products?
AIKON saan ka nga ba nakabili ng AVR mo?
ang alam ko ay meron dun eh!
thanx!
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ekime,
okey yung technics at nakadinig na din ako nun na naka feed sa thx 6-channel power amp.
okey din yung VANTAS and B&K brands na processor and problema lang ay availability dito sa pilipinas.
meron na kayang YAMAHA DSP-E800 dito sa pilipinas?
saan kaya nakakabili nun?
sa may shangrila edsa kaya yung nagtitinda ng mga yamaha products?
AIKON saan ka nga ba nakabili ng AVR mo?
ang alam ko ay meron dun eh!
thanx!
Sorry, vacuum, I am not familiar with the Philippine market that much. Nevertheless, I'll try a lookout for the Yamaha E800 just for you. :)
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ekime,
hindi ka ba tagarito sa pilipinas?
sa abroad ka din ba?
what place?
thanx.
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ekime,
hindi ka ba tagarito sa pilipinas?
sa abroad ka din ba?
what place?
thanx.
New Jersey, but I wish I was in Cebu, though. :(
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Point well taken, bro! Thanks again!(gastos nga :'()
PEDOR2,
Posted by: pedor2 Posted on: 09/20/01 at 5:28pm
To all HT "guru",
I presently own a DD rcvr with a 5.1 ch input, and I wish to make it DTS compatible. Pls give me your suggestions if it would be economical to buy a new DVD player with on board dts decoder or should I buy a seperate decoder for this?
BROTHER HINDI NAMAN SA PINAPAGASTOS KITA BUT MY ADVICE IS TO GO FOR "SEPARATES", BALE IF EVER NA MAY BUDGET KA AY BUY A DTS PROCESSOR NA LANG AT MAPAPAKINABANGAN MO PA DIN YUNG PRESENT AMP MO.
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AY GO FOR "SEPARATES" IKA NGA AY INDIVIDUAL DUTY FOR EVERY COMPONENT.
KASI PAG ALL IN ONE AY BIHIRA YUNG NAIA-UPGRADE PA.
I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE,
PAG MINI OR MIDI COMPONENT NASIRA ANG CD PLAYER AY PARANG TUNER OR TAPE PLAYER NA LANG SIYA LALO NA MAHAL PAGAWA NG LENS IF EVER NA LENS HA, UNLIKE KUNG SEPARATE COMPONENT YAN, MASIRA MAN ANG CD PLAYER MO AY PWEDE MONG PALITAN OR IPAGAWA DIN NG HINDI APEKTADO ANG IBANG UNIT AND STILL ENJOYING YOUR OTHER ORIGINAL SETUP BALE ISA LANG ANG DADALHIN MO SA SHOP HINDI TULAD PAG COMBO PAG NASIRA YUNG ISA, SIGURADONG LAHAT AY DADALHIN MO SA PAGAWAAN AT HALOS WALANG WAY FOR UPGRADING. HINDI KA NA MAKAPAKIKINIG SA BALITA MAN LANG KASI NGA LAHAT AY NASA PAGAWAAN.
ALSO YUNG TV NA MAY VHS AY GANUN DIN PAG NASIRA ANG ISA KAILANGAN MONG DALHIN LAHAT SA SHOP YUNG UNIT, E KUNG VHS LANG SANA ANG SIRA PWEDE KA PANG MANOOD NG TV WHILE YOUR VHS IS IN SERVICE OR KUNG YUNG TV NAMAN ANG NASIRA AY INSTALL ANG VHS SA OTHER TV NAMAN WHILE YOUR TV IS IN THE SHOP.
SA DECODER AY GANUN DIN IF YOUR PRESENT AMP STILL SOUNDS GOOD THEN YUNG DECODER LANG ANG UPGRADE MO HINDI TULAD PAG BUO NA SYANG AV RECEIVER PAG MAY LUMABAS NA BAGONG AUDIO FORMAT PALIT LAHAT NG AVR YAN KASI YOUR STRIVING FOR IMPROVEMENT DIBA?
MUCH BETTER DIN KUNG ANG AMPLIFIER AY INDEPENDENT PER CHANNEL FOR EXAMPLE KUNG ILANG CHANNEL ANG PROCESSOR OUTPUT AY YUN DIN ANG NUMBER OF YOUR MONO AMPLIFIERS.
PARA PAG NAGKAROON PA NG MGA HIGHER THAN 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 PA YAN AY DECODER NA LANG ANG PAPALITAN MO AND ADDITIONAL MONO AMP NA LANG ULIT.
BINGO!
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NIRVBLAKR,
Posted by: nirvblakr Posted on: 09/21/01 at 4:34am
anybody here has comments on HT-in-a-box? What are its pros and cons? I've been looking at a unit the Kenwood HTB-504 at crutchfield and its very tempting to buy considering it has DPL2. The good thing I surmise with this is that you have already matching speakers for the amp and you don't have to worry about making a mistake of buying non-timbre-matched speakers with your amp. What gives
if u want HT all in one setup merong labas ang AIWA ngayon na center speakers with control/selector for dolby digital with surround and subwoofer na at P9,999.
bale mukhang center speaker lang siya pero kasama na pati controls doon at may mga ilang inputs din and remote control pa.
optical input para ma-enjoy ang dolbydigital sound.
available at all anson's emporium pero nakita ko siya sa pasay road and landmark branches.
if you want to buy there at ansons-landmark i can give referal so they can give you discounted price pa.
vax
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NIRVBLAKR,
Posted by: nirvblakr Posted on: 09/21/01 at 4:34am
anybody here has comments on HT-in-a-box? What are its pros and cons? I've been looking at a unit the Kenwood HTB-504 at crutchfield and its very tempting to buy considering it has DPL2. The good thing I surmise with this is that you have already matching speakers for the amp and you don't have to worry about making a mistake of buying non-timbre-matched speakers with your amp. What gives
if u want HT all in one setup merong labas ang AIWA ngayon na center speakers with control/selector for dolby digital with surround and subwoofer na at P9,999.
bale mukhang center speaker lang siya pero kasama na pati controls doon at may mga ilang inputs din and remote control pa.
optical input para ma-enjoy ang dolbydigital sound.
available at all anson's emporium pero nakita ko siya sa pasay road and landmark branches.
if you want to buy there at ansons-landmark i can give referal so they can give you discounted price pa.
vax
Vaccuumtubes-
I've seen one of those AIWA na mukhang center speaker but I didn't really bother to check it out. The ones I've seen has only 70 watts max output. Parang mahina. But the ones I've seen dont come with a sub. I still have some questions about this if you don't mind. And I hope you could answer them. Do you mean to say it could go without an amp? And it only looks like a center speaker, how about the fronts and the surround? If I have an existing amp would it still be of use maybe as a center speaker? How many watts maximum output?
I have an existing Sony DPL receiver and Aiwa for front speakers, Philips for surround speakers, US Audio center and a Dai-Ichi Sub. Kind of a chop-chop set-up just to have one. :P I was planning to buy sana in the States the Kenwood HT in a box (DD,DTS,DPL2) so I could have maybe a better receiver with matching speakers already. With the introduction of the center speaker that you were telling, maybe that would go hand in hand with my Aiwa front speakers para at least uniform ang tunog. It gave me some thought. With regards to the upgrade of my receiver I would maybe buy a Denon 1802 or an Onkyo 595 with DPL 2 in the States and retain my speakers and just match the center Aiwa (junk the US Audio). OR....maybe just buy the Kenwood HT in a box to change the whole set-up. Can you help me in this? Thanks in advance! ;)
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NIRVBLAKR,
ung aiwa na mention ko ay center console siya na nandun na din yung front speakers and the center. bale detachable yung surround nya kung gusto mo syang ilagay sa rear. plus an active subwoofer na separate box.
yung pinakaconsole ay may amplifier na for the speakers ang kailangan na lang ay input from the player na lang at mga two inputs yata yun kung may dvd or vhs ka select lang and with remote control din. with optical input kasi may dolby digital processor na sa loob.
pang budget and limited space ideal sya at yung gustong magkaroon ng setup agad. magnetically shielded din para pwedeng ipatong sa tv kahit na active pa siya.
i'm not sure kung maincorporate mo sya sa existing setup mong aiwa front spkrs kasi nga ay active na ito.
bye for now and see you at the 29th and sana wag bumagyo!
vax
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Thanks vax you really helped me and I saw some other brands in the net that sell the same set-up like KLH, etc. The best thing maybe to satisfy my query is to see for myself the performance. I'll keep you posted my findings.
By the way, regarding the meeting at Brash Young Cinema, can't make it pre. Enjoy nalang kayo and I know you guys will! Cheers! 8)
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Check out the latest Home Theater in a Box from SONY and Pioneer ...
* SONY DAVC700 (5 dvd changer, multi-region, AUTO/PAL/NTSC, SACD 2ch/multi, DVD/SACD/CD/CD-R/CD-RW, and built-in AC3/DTS decoder).
* Pioneer HTZ-77DV (multi-region, AUTO/PAL/NTSC, DVD/SVCD/CD/CD-R/CD-RW/MP3, and built-in AC3/DTS decoder).
I've tested both, Audio/Video qualities not bad ...
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ON stock now with Dolby Pro-Logic II at ED!!!
Denon 1602
Denon 1802
Denon 2802
Denon 3802
Denon ADV700
Audition the DPL-II and get amazed on reproducing 5.1 surround on regular CDs!!!
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Very tempting, ngayon pa na taghirap. How much are the units and do you have promo for pinoyDVD members?
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ED,
I am also interested with the Denon 1602 or the 1802 whichever my budget permits. Hope you could post the prices so I know how much I could stretch my buck. Thanks! 8)
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Check out Onkyo's budget receiver with pro logic II, TX-DS595
http://www.onkyousa.com/show_model.cfm?class=receivers&m=TX-DS595
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Hi Levi,
I have my tight budget closer to the price of Yamaha 496 or Onkyo 494 ( they have the same price here in abroad $299 ) and eager to buy one. Which one is better? I was confused because they have both good specs except that Yamaha 496 is 100wx5 & DPL and Onkyo 494 55wx5 but DPL2. What do you suggest? Thanks!
I suggest dont decide now since there are new Receivers coming like the Denon 1602 or Onkyo 494 with DPL2 . They will be available anytime now. I wont recommend you get the lowest model if you can stretch your budget. I made that mistake so now Im saving again for a better receiver even if its only two months old. Im satisfied and happy with the Yamaha 496 but I need more features and I only realize it when I bought it. I suggest go for the mid models but if you have unlimited budget go for the best.
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Hi almondski WELCOME to PinoyDVD,
One factor that is related to the wattage is the area where you are going to use it. If the room is small and you dont really crank up the volume to the max then you wont see any difference. There is a long explanation to the wattage ( impedance,high current,rms etc)but the bottomline is, there both capable for small or average room. What is important is listen to both and choose what you like better. Regarding the DPL2, its another factor you have to look into. I think it has more weight than the wattage since you can use DPL2 for VCD, Playstation, VHS, and old DVD film that is not 5.1.
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Hi Levi,
Thanks for very informative reply. Personally , I was fascinated by Onkyo 494 but also got good impression with Yamaha 496 based on the experienced owners like you. Pls allow me to get some more tips, i dont have knowledge in matching avr's & spkrs and if ill go for 55w avr, is there a lot of speakers options available that i can choose to match with it?
What is important is listen to both and choose what you like better. Regarding the DPL2, its another factor you have to look into. I think it has more weight than the wattage since you can use DPL2 for VCD, Playstation, VHS, and old DVD film that is not 5.1.
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The reason I got the yamaha 496 was during the time I was scouting for a receiver, my only option was Onkyo 484 and denon 1601.There was still no DPL2. The Denon was more expensive and my friend's Onkyo broke down after a year. They all sound good but I was given a good financing scheme for the Yamaha and it received good reviews in audioreview.com. For your speakers, I think any good brand like B&W,PSB,Paradigm,JPW,Dyneaudio or even Studio acoustic will be a good match. You can try them out at HT shops.
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Reposting for Seth
Can somebody tell me which sounds best? YAMAHA OR PIONEER
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It depends on several factors:
1. Which models from Pioneer and Yamaha are you considering? I don't know about Pioneer but the newer Yamahas have a different sound from the older ones.
2. What speakers are you going to use them with?? The speakers will have a bigger impact on the sound of your system compared to the receiver.
3. What are you going to use your system primarily for?? Music or HT???
4. What sort of music do you like listening to??
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Pioneeer VSX-D710S-G and Yamaha RX-V430? Well choosing a speakers are not critical to me. And going to set my own HT coz my wife don't like going to movie houses so i'm bringing the theater to our home. Music, i like alternative, punk rock,acid rock and techno pop.
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i bought a Pioneer VSX-D710 s-g 2 weeks ago and after using it for a week, i disposed of it. the label says its 120watts X 5 power output. kaya lang ng gamitin ko bitin ang tunog. tapos parang my oscilating/pumping bass sound sa subwoofer out .
Comparing it to a Yamaha RX-v620 ( which i used to own) malayo tunog. the v620 seemed to have more power at mas malinis yung bass reproduction ng subwoofer out.
the speaker set up i used is the same for both the Pioneer VSX-D710 and Yamaha Rx-v620.
The price of D710 and v620 is almost the same at 18 - 18.5k. So, if I would be the one to choose , i go for the yamaha ( v620 is an older model vs the v430)
But if you want to stick it out with Pioneer, the model to get is the VSX -d908 TX ,medyo mahal nga lang. :)
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rmpmla,
Thank you very much sa info, Pioneer p naman ang first choice ko pero i go the Yamaha na lang. What did u do to ur pioneer? Did u send it to service center ng pioneer? May service center be ang Yamaha?
Thanks again bro....
seth
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Hi Seth,
I've noticed that Pioneer seems to overstate the specs of their receivers. If you look closely, it says MAXIMUM, instead of NOMINAL, which most good receiver companies (like Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo, HK, etc.) use.
Kaya it MIGHT appear na high wattage, yun pala, mahina! :(
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I saw the displays of diff. pioneer recievers and they put stickers in front of the reciever ex. 120 X 5 watts, 130 X 6 watts etc. etc... na kung di ka marunong tumingin nang specs talaga nang reciever maatract kang bilhin yun....
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rmpmla,
Thank you very much sa info, Pioneer p naman ang first choice ko pero i go the Yamaha na lang. What did u do to ur pioneer? Did u send it to service center ng pioneer? May service center be ang Yamaha?
Thanks again bro....
seth
seth,
never bothered asking for the Yamaha service center but i am sure meron ito. :)
as for the pioneer, di ko na ito dinala sa service center. anyway na-dispose ko na ito eh.
actually, for me, Pioneer is not that bad as long as you know which model to choose/use .
Right now i am using a VSX-D908TX and the label states 100watts X 5 but a lot better than the D710 and V620 ( little bit higher in price level though ). :)
And another one, i just recently bought second hand as replacement to the D710 is a Pioneer VSX-D3S. :)
rmpmla
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Pardon me, makasabat nga,
It's so difficult recommending good AVRs or decoders with a budget in mind. Sa experience ko in the past, nagsimula ako na may budet , say P40k in cash, and ended up spending almost twice that. Dahil magaling kasi yung sales talk na nakuha ko sa Apple sa Makati Cinema Square. Dagdag lang ng konti dito, mas OK. Problem was I had to buy a DVD player, a speaker set and an amp or avr. components. So add a little to this and that, suma total na doble yung nagastos ko. Thanks to my credit card and my lack of self-control.
To those contemplating to get a Pioneer AVR, take a second look, especially at the back panel. Maaring hindi issue ang power consumption to a moneyed audio purist, but for the budget conscious, the Pioneer models I've seen boasts of an electric power consumption rating of 900 to 1100 watts. Isang plantsa yan!!!! E yung ibang brands like Yamaha at Onkyio, only 500 watts. for the same audio power rating of 80-100watts RMS per ch.
Kung tunog din lang,or DD/DTS/DL2 capabilities, there is hardly any difference among them., except this power consumption thing. I suggest you visit www.epinions.com for equipment reviews. Very informative.
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Otcho,
We have a thread about power consumption courtesy of lexmil. Power Consumption (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=4227).
levi
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Pardon me, makasabat nga,
It's so difficult recommending good AVRs or decoders with a budget in mind. Sa experience ko in the past, nagsimula ako na may budet , say P40k in cash, and ended up spending almost twice that. Dahil magaling kasi yung sales talk na nakuha ko sa Apple sa Makati Cinema Square. Dagdag lang ng konti dito, mas OK. Problem was I had to buy a DVD player, a speaker set and an amp or avr. components. So add a little to this and that, suma total na doble yung nagastos ko. Thanks to my credit card and my lack of self-control.
To those contemplating to get a Pioneer AVR, take a second look, especially at the back panel. Maaring hindi issue ang power consumption to a moneyed audio purist, but for the budget conscious, the Pioneer models I've seen boasts of an electric power consumption rating of 900 to 1100 watts. Isang plantsa yan!!!! E yung ibang brands like Yamaha at Onkyio, only 500 watts. for the same audio power rating of 80-100watts RMS per ch.
Kung tunog din lang,or DD/DTS/DL2 capabilities, there is hardly any difference among them., except this power consumption thing. I suggest you visit www.epinions.com for equipment reviews. Very informative.
In your other post
Hi Lexmil.
can't help reading thru this thread. masasabi ko lang , your messages make for very valid technical arguments versus tubes. bilang kasagutan sa title ng thread dito. Glad to read you're not really leaving this group where some of the tube loving dinousurs' only argument are their primitive ears.
So go ahead. YOUR RESP0NSES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE QUESTION IN THIS THREAD: WHAT'S YOUR BIGGEST REASON WHY YOU WON'T GO TUBES..
para sa akin, i share your understanding of tube operation vs solid state. there is no known technical superiority of tubes over solid state. sa mga nagsasabing let the ears be the judge., go ahead. that's like getting married to someone and just letting the eyes be the judge. (and geting married has so many similariities with going into this audiophile hobby of ours.)
anyway, palampasin mo na lang into raccio na ito. Not worth it. I too have been to a number of live performances and they do sound just as clear and defeanning (sometimes) as my solid state equipment.(a second hand conrad-johnson mf-5600 and a harman-kardon avr7000). I do not compare between tubes and ss, only between live and ss. yan ang hi-fi.
You are against the power consumption of Pioneer to be 1100W, but your using Harman Kardon AVR 7000 which is a high current amplifier ( 75 Amperes ) that draws 1100W for 2 channel stereo only. If you use all five channels, 3 plantsa na iyon. Plus your using a CJ MF5600 then ilang plantsa nanaman iyon. I guess your a moneyed audio purist if this is your setup. If you can afford this gears then you wont mind using this electricity except if your an Electrical Engineer. Just my 1 cent.
Levi
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Hi levi,
Sa pagka-alam ko, yung Harman Kardon ko at Conrad Johnson are both current amlifiers. Pero yung mga Japanese brands like Onkyo, Sony, Yamaha at Pioneer ay voltage amplifiers na walang karapatang katumbas ng plantsa and consumo sa electricity. Unless you say that Pioneer is a current amp, then their power consumption is justified. So when I caution would-be Pioneer buyers about this, it is in context sa mga voltage amplifiers na mostly Jpanese and not with Harman, or most US and European amps na almost always current drivers.
PS. I'm neither moneyed nor a purist. Kaya nga sinabi kong second hand e.
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Pardon me, makasabat nga,
It's so difficult recommending good AVRs or decoders with a budget in mind. Sa experience ko in the past, nagsimula ako na may budet , say P40k in cash, and ended up spending almost twice that. Dahil magaling kasi yung sales talk na nakuha ko sa Apple sa Makati Cinema Square. Dagdag lang ng konti dito, mas OK. Problem was I had to buy a DVD player, a speaker set and an amp or avr. components. So add a little to this and that, suma total na doble yung nagastos ko. Thanks to my credit card and my lack of self-control.
To those contemplating to get a Pioneer AVR, take a second look, especially at the back panel. Maaring hindi issue ang power consumption to a moneyed audio purist, but for the budget conscious, the Pioneer models I've seen boasts of an electric power consumption rating of 900 to 1100 watts. Isang plantsa yan!!!! E yung ibang brands like Yamaha at Onkyio, only 500 watts. for the same audio power rating of 80-100watts RMS per ch.
Kung tunog din lang,or DD/DTS/DL2 capabilities, there is hardly any difference among them., except this power consumption thing. I suggest you visit www.epinions.com for equipment reviews. Very informative.
Otcho,
I think you forgot it was you who compared the Pioneer to a "plantsa". Howcome you are now saying that Pioneer is a voltage amplifier and cant be compared to a plantsa. They are all power consumption whether its current or voltage. Just my 1 cent.
levi
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To Levi,
pls reread my posts. Ang sabi ko yung Pinoeer katumbas ang plantsa compared with Yamaha, Onkyo and with all japanese brands na voltage drivers. Siya lang bukod tangi ang may rating na 1000 watts thereabouts while the rest only say 500w or so for the same amp rating. Then sabi ko kung Pioneer ay current driver maybe the consumption rating is right. Hindi ko alam kung current dirver si Pioneer. But what I know is it is also a voltage driver like all jap brands.
Malaki and difference ng voltage sa current amp. The latter is low impedance driving at kaya nya kahit 2 ohms load. That is why matass sumipsip ng current.. Kung voltage driver hindi tatagal yung transistors mo sa ganitong load. You are right parehong nag- coconsume ng power. What I know is that the current amps consume more than voltage amps. And my basis for cautioning you all is what is rated at the back for comparison purposes. And only among jap brand. Claro???
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Nope................
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hay..alam nyo sice th laserdisc days many yrs back hanggang ngayon..upgrade upgrade upgrade..as if theres no stopping frm upgrading....
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hi!
if you really have the money and want to invest in a "best buy", go for the following:
1) denon 1602
2) onkyo 989 (thx ultra)
3) higher-end yamaha models (at least rxv730 and above)
thanks!
;D
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should receivers be chosen based on their weight? i've read this somewhere,
i'm actually thinking of onkyo's 797 and denon's 3802. they seem to occupy the same market niche based on their identical prices (45k) but the denon has more amplifiers for a full 7.1 setup, despite this the onk is both larger and heavier-does this mean the power supplies in the denon are inferior to the onk's, and therefore (?) the sound, especially with low-impedance speakers?
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Hmmm, I've always thought that receivers should be chosen on the basis of their sound quality! ;D ;D (Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;))
BUT, the better receivers usually employ better components, such as larger and heavier heatsinks, power supplies and transformers, which leads to heavier equipment. So I guess, to a certain extent, it's true--the heavier the better--but not entirely.
I'm not familiar with the onkyo 797, but the denon 3802's have lots of rave reviews. In the end, it boils down t what sounds better for you, and what features you want.
Cheers!
GAOL
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yup, a lot of raves went the denon 3802's way, but those i've read come with a caveat: use the digital connection, especially w/cd's.
which brings me to another question: since every maker brags about the dacs in their gear (denon & analog devices, onkyo & akm, h/k & crystal semicon, yamaha's own + burr-brown), should we then buy a receiver for its dacs?
yeah, yeah, somebody will always say "sound comes first"-but we're talking one-box receivers here, not separates. it'd be better to base a choice on how a product attempts to arrive at its sound rather than one's perceptions in the showroom w/c may or may not hold up in one's own room and w/one's speakers.
i'm asking about dacs coz those reviews were pretty detailed about the diff. bet. the denon's analog vs. digital inputs. this is very interesting because if those analog devices dacs really are any good - and with the improving build standards of dvd players - maybe we need not be so finicky about sources anymore-???
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I plan on upgrading my AV Receiver I currently have an Onkyo 656 DD without DTS unfortunately I'm choosing between the six models Onkyo 696 or 797, Marantz 7200 or 8200, Denon 2802 or 3802. I think it all boils down to power, I think the Denon 2802's isn't powerful enough they're only rated at 90 watts per channel, because I have a bigger listening room, so I might cross that out from my short list. By the way these receivers would be driving my 602 series 2 B&W's for the front and a cc6 series 2 for the center and a pair of B&W's 601 series 3 for the rear. Can somebody recommend to me the best AV receiver for my HT setup?
Bonjit of Sydney
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;DGood day to all!!
I need some expert advice regarding what receiver to buy which is compatible with my DVD player. I have a Pioneer 533K (I think). ???
Being new to the world of DVD (since I purchased my player just 4 months ago), I thought that one can attach speakers and the sub-woofer to its back. Yun pala, you have to buy a receiver in order to get that "cinema quality sound". I need a decent receiver which is not too much of a burden in the pocket (I canvassed for a Pioneer receiver and it costs the same as the player!!)
I appreciate if you can assist me. :-\
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Hi sandman
Welcome to the world full of gastos ;D do you have a existing speakers? (component speakers) ok na yon for starter...later mag upgrade kana lang...btw yah you need a good reciever for your dvd player...i might consider a yamaha RX V-430 at least...it cost i think for now 15k+...thats the only budget reciever i can offer you, good reciever na yan...check mo yung features nya sa yamaha.com for more info, the rest is within your budget...pero i think dagdagan mo ng center speaker para mas cinematic ang dating. k....good luck and happy viewing
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Hi Sandman,
If you're interested in a budget receiver, i am selling a Pioneer 510G (Dolby Digital, DTS compatible with a power rating of 120 watts X 5). Im selling it for P12k. If you're interested you can txt me at 0919-8192809. Thanks and happy viewing.
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Hi sandman
Welcome to the world full of gastos ;D do you have a existing speakers? (component speakers) ok na yon for starter...later mag upgrade kana lang...btw yah you need a good reciever for your dvd player...i might consider a yamaha RX V-430 at least...it cost i think for now 15k+...thats the only budget reciever i can offer you, good reciever na yan...check mo yung features nya sa yamaha.com for more info, the rest is within your budget...pero i think dagdagan mo ng center speaker para mas cinematic ang dating. k....good luck and happy viewing
In addition to Tango you can check out Pioneer sells for 15+ in raon and Sherwood sells 14.5K in avid.
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Try for starters...Sherwood Receivers, the cheapest is at P14,500.00, 100W per channel or try mo yun NAD T741 which sell P23,500, 40W per channel.
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I would go for a Sony STR-DB780. Its a nice receiver if youre new into home theater. A entry level receiver. And it got all the things you want. And nice price too. I got one.
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^ pero sony receivers are known for their bad amplifers eh. It does the job for cheaper speakers. pero if you got more mid end speakers.. sony receivers just won't cut it..
Unless ofcourse SONY-ES.. now that's a different story. They are acctually at par/ slightly superior than Denons or Marantz's similarly priced receivers.
ES line is their 'high end' line. better build, better parts, etc.
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TRY pioneer elite series.. ;D
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yeah.. pioneer's the first one to come out with a receiver that has firewire support for both sacd and dvd-a.
FULL BASS MANAGEMENT and Distance Compensation.
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Hi,
I am planning to replace my Kenwood A/V receiver (KR-V888D) with one of the following:
DENON AVR-1604
TEAC AG-10D
I auditioned the TEAC today sa 5th Ave pero haven't heard the DENON yet. Pwede ba malaman opininon nyo on the receivers? BTW, my speakers are:
Center CS-6
Sub SW-301 100w
Front LSF-333 6 Ohms 100w
Surround OMNI-7 8 Ohms 60w
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dude, Denon 1604 5.1 channel lang output. Kung gusto mo bang for the buck try mo Onkyo SR501 or SR601 with 6.1 channel output at may Zone 2 feature. According to Onkyo owner's very warm ang output. Though the Yamaha's are really superb sa HT pag dating sa Audio medyo bright sya. Onkyo receivers are well balanced.
Just my 2 cents. BTW I own a Onkyo SR 601
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Correction pala, Denon 1604 is 6.1 channel
Features for Denon 1604 : 96Khz / 24 bit DAC, 75W per channel at 8 ohms
Features for Onkyo SR601 : LPCM 192KhZ / 24 bit DAC, 85W per channel at 8 ohms, Zone 2 area outputs
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Check this out dude...
100 Watts per Channel x 2 in Stereo Mode with less than 0.9% THD,
40 Hz-20 kHz, 6 Ohms
100 Watts x 5 in Surround Mode
DTS
Dolby Digital
Dolby Pro Logic II (Movie Music, Custom and Matrix)
2 Coaxial and 1 Optical Digital Inputs
Unified Remote Control
3 DSP Modes
Subwoofer Preamp Output
3 A/V Inputs
4 Audio Inputs
6-Channel Direct Input
Front Panel A/V Input
Tone Direct
Cinema EQ
Source/Feature Memory
Dynamic Range Control
Totally Discrete Amplifier Stage (TDAS)
Quartz PLL Tuning
Preset Scan
30 Station Presets
Digi-Link III
System Illumination
Sleep Timer
Dimensions: 17 3/8" W x 5 3/8" H x 13" D
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Hi hurricayn,
Thanks for the feedback. I'll try and audition the ONKYO SR601.
dude, Denon 1604 5.1 channel lang output. Kung gusto mo bang for the buck try mo Onkyo SR501 or SR601 with 6.1 channel output at may Zone 2 feature. According to Onkyo owner's very warm ang output. Though the Yamaha's are really superb sa HT pag dating sa Audio medyo bright sya. Onkyo receivers are well balanced.
Just my 2 cents. BTW I own a Onkyo SR 601
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Check this out dude...
100 Watts per Channel x 2 in Stereo Mode with less than 0.9% THD,
40 Hz-20 kHz, 6 Ohms
100 Watts x 5 in Surround Mode
DTS
Dolby Digital
Dolby Pro Logic II (Movie Music, Custom and Matrix)
2 Coaxial and 1 Optical Digital Inputs
Unified Remote Control
3 DSP Modes
Subwoofer Preamp Output
3 A/V Inputs
4 Audio Inputs
6-Channel Direct Input
Front Panel A/V Input
Tone Direct
Cinema EQ
Source/Feature Memory
Dynamic Range Control
Totally Discrete Amplifier Stage (TDAS)
Quartz PLL Tuning
Preset Scan
30 Station Presets
Digi-Link III
System Illumination
Sleep Timer
Dimensions: 17 3/8" W x 5 3/8" H x 13" D
Nice guessing game. If anyone can name the brand and model, he wins it???
Let me see. Hmmm... doesn't read like any NAD receiver, much less an Rotel. It has high THDs much like a Pioneer I know, but you don't carry Pioneers. It is rated at 6 ohms much like an Onkyo, but you don't carry Onkyo. So it must be a .... Sherwood... which you carry. A Sherwood R-945!!! Yeah I won I won!!!!
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Hmm....no response from Redkoji.....helloooo.....
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nakaka-intriga to
http://www.myakira.com/products/showproduct.asp?pid=10&catid=111&id=812
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Nice guessing game. If anyone can name the brand and model, he wins it???
Let me see. Hmmm... doesn't read like any NAD receiver, much less an Rotel. It has high THDs much like a Pioneer I know, but you don't carry Pioneers. It is rated at 6 ohms much like an Onkyo, but you don't carry Onkyo. So it must be a .... Sherwood... which you carry. A Sherwood R-945!!! Yeah I won I won!!!!
Its Sherwood...sorry forget which model is this
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hello everyone! i'm a newbie here and a newbie in HT's ...... well i'm thinking of setting up a hometheater system. I'll begin w/ a Audio Video Receiver.. can i know which is the audio receiver for P19K-P20K..... can you please recommend at least three..... if its Ok with you, can you include where i can buy them........ i recently looked for AVR's at SM-north...the only avr i found within my price range is the DENON AVR-1804...thank :)s..
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if it isn't much of a hassle w/ you can you pls give your recomendation int his format:
ex.
1. DENON 1804 @ SM-North appliance center 19K
1. DENON 1804 @ SM-West appliance center 19.5K
1. DENON 1804 @ SM-North Edsa appliance center 20.K
by the way my budget has increased to 22K...... hoping for your recommendations..tnx :)
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i'll just add, as much as possible it has to have 6.1 discrete channels (DTS-ES and DD-ES) :)
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What are you more interested in, home theater or music? The a/v receivers that excel in HT applications are yamaha and denon. I would recommend the Harman Kardon receivers like the older models like the 2550, 3550, or the newer models like HK 130 since they are "warm" sounding and very musical, which is useful if you are planning on listening to CDs, SACDs, DVD-As, or even using it to listen to concert DVDs.
Another factor that would determine which a/v receiver that you would get is your speakers. What brand and type (floorstanding or bookshelf) are your main/front speakers or which brands or types do you intend to get? It is important that your speaker matches with your receiver.
For more details about Harman Kardon receivers or denon, you may contact Nico or Epoy of Architectural Audio at 811-6715. They are located in New World Hotel. And I did not get any comission(s) for recommending them. ;D
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You can also try the Yamaha x40 and x50 series, i think merong AVR na abot nang budget mo. Also marantz receiver, sa Harman pasok sa HK 130 yan
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Harman Kardon is definitely very good but the 130, 2550, 3550 are 5.1
the only model of Harman that is 6.1 is 230 about 27T
for the denon it will be 1604 that will fit your budget the silver is 1T difference than the gold and be careful of other unauthorize dealers that sells at a cheaper price
if you want you can try visit spectra @ parksquare 1 and look for jim
you can learn a lot from him and the best price
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With your budget, i think it is best to settle for a 5.1 receiver right now. There is no point in investing heavily on electronics since a good set of front speakers will most certainly outlast your receiver in the long term. The pace at which they introduce new receivers is akin to personal computers. I think what you should do is try to invest in a good set of speakers and center. Don't rush in getting the surrounds or the subwoofer since, in the end due to mounting cost, you just might end compromising the quality of your front speakers which are the most important of them all.
Why get a 5.1 receiver over 6.1? Well i'm part of the camp that subscribes to the theory that materials encoded in 6.1 (ie. Dolby Digital EX, or DTS ES) sound much better on a 7.1 setup. So if it was in my case, i would either get a receiver with the 5.1 or 7.1 . In your case 5.1 is the best route to take.
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thanx for your opinions..... mga magkano kaya and denon 1604 sa parksquare1?? meron kasi sa apliance center sa sm-north for P19K sale yun from P25K dati.....
by the way i think i can spend up to P24K for the receiver...... i'm not yet sure with what speakers i'll get, baka wharfedale diamonds.....
any more opinons???
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thanx for your opinions..... mga magkano kaya and denon 1604 sa parksquare1?? meron kasi sa apliance center sa sm-north for P19K sale yun from P25K dati.....
by the way i think i can spend up to P24K for the receiver...... i'm not yet sure with what speakers i'll get, baka wharfedale diamonds.....
any more opinions???
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sir try nyo marantz 5400 SRP 22k plus if you want 6.1 discrete channels
then mordaunt short speaker 30% off sa 5th ave.
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Consider the musical and powerful Marantz 5400.
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i agree. the marantz 5400 is a very capable receiver. i read a review once comparing it with 3 other entry level receivers and it was the only one that was able to churn out its rated power even when driving 5 channels simultaneously while maintaining low thd.
by the way, if your planning to get diamonds, then denons are not for you. if youre bent on getting diamonds, yamahas or harmans are better matches. not sure of the marantz-diamonds combo. denons are great with missions and b&ws.
if i had a 24k budget for a receiver, i would save a bit more and get a hk230 :)
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hello everyone! i'm a newbie here and a newbie in HT's ...... well i'm thinking of setting up a hometheater system. I'll begin w/ a Audio Video Receiver.. can i know which is the audio receiver for P19K-P20K..... can you please recommend at least three..... if its Ok with you, can you include where i can buy them........ i recently looked for AVR's at SM-north...the only avr i found within my price range is the DENON AVR-1804...thank :)s..
As a newbie, I suggests you go for entry level amps pero at least 6.1 na. Here are the choices accdg to my preferences:
1). Yamaha RX-V450 or RX-V440 (best for movies)
2). Marantz SR4400 (best for music)
3). Onkyo SR-501 (average on both movies and music)
These amps are good to start with and determine your true audio preferences. Atsaka, pag nag-upgrade(which is likely to happen) ka into higher models or may magustuhan kang iba later on, di ka masyadong napagastos sa una mong setup.
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the denon at parksquare is 18990 based on cash price
definitely yamaha is best for movies
then denon and harman kardon is for movies and audio, but the difference between the two is that harman kardon is designed high current and it is very powerful
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Hello po. newbie here. what is the lowest price ng yamaha avr recievers? for movies, HTPC. speakers will be DIY sa raon.
isa sa plan ko po is konzert or sakura. budget for reciever is 5-10k lang po. Salamat.
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Hello po. newbie here. what is the lowest price ng yamaha avr recievers? for movies, HTPC. speakers will be DIY sa raon.
isa sa plan ko po is konzert or sakura. budget for reciever is 5-10k lang po. Salamat.
If you can save more for better quality AVR to avoid any upgrade after awhile. AVR or Processor is most important component in HT or Audio set-up. It's the heart and brain of your system, even if you got expensive speakers but your processing unit is below it's category, you are missing something in your set-up. ;D ;D