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Title: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: audioslave on Oct 01, 2004 at 04:53 PM
like in every audio forum, this is a very debatable issue. so, in order to temper down any inflammatory remarks or comments from patrons and advocates of either side, the question goes this way: which format is more popular among the members here, digital or analog?

let's divide the house and tell us which format do you fancy the most, analog or digital?

 :)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: akyatbundok on Oct 01, 2004 at 06:32 PM
'torney...... pwede ba both?  ;D  i wanna experience both, including DVD-A's and DVD's too.  8)

i play my CDP more often but probably only because i have a lot more CD's than LP's.... if i had more LP's than CD's it would probably be the other way around, but then i'm only just starting to (slowly & tentatively) appreciate analog, w/c i'm finding out has more hassles like the popcorn sound, the record cleaning, cartridge alignment, can't skip to the next track, etc.... but the experience can be just as enjoyable if the rig is properly calibrated and the LP is clean and good quality.

kinda begs the question: instead of having a TT worth 15k + a CDP worth 15k, would it be better instead to upgrade the CDP to a higher-end model worth 30k?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Oct 02, 2004 at 12:24 AM
attorney....... both also for me as i have both sources.  ;D ;D

true as what akyat said....." the experience can be just as enjoyable if the rig is properly calibrated and the LP is clean and good quality"........ again, drawback is that you have to have clean and good condition lps, properly aligned cartridge. in addition to this, there are certain albums which you can not find in analog format, medyo limited nga lang when it comes to newer artists and albums plus you really have to pay the price.

i wouldn't really be getting into analog if all my recent expeditions proved futile.  lucky for me, i was able to acquire  alot of lps from friends and relatives, both local and imported pressings.  But honestly, i enjoy both formats eventhough there are numerous downsides with analog and very little with digital.  :)









PANGIT ANG PLAKA!!!!........Ibigay nyo nalang sa mga "kapos palad" na tulad ko.....  >:D ;D ;D   
   
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 02, 2004 at 12:30 AM
sabi nga sa  TV comercial KUNG SAN KA MASAYA  ;D  ;D  ;D SUPORTAHAN TA KA ......................ako happy sa digital kc wala ako analog e.......... >:D >:D pero mas maganda kung both meron kc di naman palagi maganda yong digital at analog vice versa ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Oct 02, 2004 at 12:56 AM
sabi nga sa  TV comercial KUNG SAN KA MASAYA  ;D  ;D  ;D SUPORTAHAN TA KA ......................ako happy sa digital kc wala ako analog e.......... >:D >:D pero mas maganda kung both meron kc di naman palagi maganda yong digital at analog vice versa ;D ;D

Pareho pala tayong mga salawahan! Ahahahahaha.........  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 02, 2004 at 12:58 AM
Attorney,

Ang vote ko eh both analog and digital.  ;D

Cheers!  ;)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 02, 2004 at 12:59 AM


Pareho pala tayong mga salawahan! Ahahahahaha.........  ;D ;D ;D


hehehehe di naman minsan lang lalo na kung wala sa aking around  >:D >:D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:00 AM
Attorney,

Ang vote ko eh both analog and digital.  ;D

Cheers!  ;)

isa pa rin salawahan hehehehehehe
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:04 AM


isa pa rin salawahan hehehehehehe

ganda kasi pareho eh, di ko mapigil ang sarili ko!  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:12 AM


ganda kasi pareho eh, di ko mapigil ang sarili ko!  ;D


hehehe na aappreciate mo pa kac ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:15 AM



hehehe na aappreciate mo pa kac ;D

sarap analog, pwede mo scratch!

imagine dj mixing with digital gears, pindot ka lang ng pindot, di tulad ng analog, literally hawak mo yun music.

pero ang sarap naman ng dulot na convinience ng digital!  :P

kaya pareho ko gusto!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:21 AM
yung kay akyat pwede pang scratch! :o Yung akin hindi, yari yung cart ko niyan. :-X
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:28 AM
yung kay akyat pwede pang scratch! :o Yung akin hindi, yari yung cart ko niyan. :-X

pero tuwing hahawakan ko yun cart ni akyat eh nag-bubutil yun pawis nya, baka daw kasi di ko mapigil at mag scratch ako! hahahaha
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:31 AM


pero tuwing hahawakan ko yun cart ni akyat eh nag-bubutil yun pawis nya, baka daw kasi di ko mapigil at mag scratch ako! hahahaha

e di subukan mo hehehe baka maban ka na nyan sa bundok >:D >:D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: vvt-i on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:33 AM


pero tuwing hahawakan ko yun cart ni akyat eh nag-bubutil yun pawis nya, baka daw kasi di ko mapigil at mag scratch ako! hahahaha

sir,
ok lang yan matibay naman ang TT ni akyat kaya kahit scratch mo stable pa rin. O0 O0
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:37 AM
Sige na nga! Susubukan ko kung matibay!  ;D Teka, wala yata ako pambayad dun pag nasira ko ah?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:41 AM
Sige na nga! Susubukan ko kung matibay!  ;D Teka, wala yata ako pambayad dun pag nasira ko ah?  ;D ;D ;D


subok na yon sabi nya galing daw sa DJ yon e tsaka yong talaga ang sikat na model non kapanahunan nyo hehehehehe >:D >:D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: vvt-i on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:43 AM
Sige na nga! Susubukan ko kung matibay!  ;D Teka, wala yata ako pambayad dun pag nasira ko ah?  ;D ;D ;D

lagyan lang natin ng dalawang patong ng plastic ng plaka sa ilalim ng felt dudulas na yun.  sarap mag-scratch dun walang wow. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:50 AM
Hehehe, basta magdala lang tayo ng pamunas ng pawis nun owner! hehehee
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:55 AM
Hehehe, basta magdala lang tayo ng pamunas ng pawis nun owner! hehehee

cge sagot na yon hehehehe
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 02, 2004 at 01:58 AM


cge sagot na yon hehehehe

pwede ba yun cartridge na lang sagot mo?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 02, 2004 at 02:02 AM


pwede ba yun cartridge na lang sagot mo?  ;D ;D ;D

ok lang kuna ako ang gagawa non kaso ikaw kaya ikaw may sagot hehehehe san may mixer during shoot out para mas maganda at mas madali
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 02, 2004 at 02:04 AM


ok lang kuna ako ang gagawa non kaso ikaw kaya ikaw may sagot hehehehe san may mixer during shoot out para mas maganda at mas madali


meron ako dito diy ko na skinny mixer, kaso puro Alpha pots ginamit ko kaya ayun, pati yun pot may scratch! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Audioboy on Oct 02, 2004 at 08:42 AM
both.  ;)

you wont appreciate the beauty of one without either.  ;D

 



Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Narayan on Oct 02, 2004 at 12:18 PM
 i had both and sold my tt recently...maybe its the convenience of playing cds, its easy accessibility and practically maintenance free :D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: emvi_2000 on Oct 02, 2004 at 09:10 PM
Me both! There are old albums kc that aren't available on CD format. Some oldies naman sound more "buhay" on lps than on their cd format.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: audi0slave on Oct 02, 2004 at 11:23 PM
mostly fence sitters pala kayo eh...  ;D ;D

obviously, i go for the digital formats... we're now on the digital age where the convenience of playability and economy of preserving one's collection is my primordial consideration. i'm a very mobile person and i take my CDs to almost every places where i can play, listen and enjoy my music -- inside my car and in my office.  ;D

lately, i've been comtemplating on just having a good mp3 player so that i can even take it when i'm biking or indulging in sports activities. mas tipid pa!! isaksak mo lang yan sa tube amp, magiging warm na rin tunog nyan... ;D ;D

guys, what do you think of this brand and model of mp3 player---  i-river H340? it can accomodate 40 GB of space.... i prefer the iriver over the iPod M9245  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Oct 02, 2004 at 11:29 PM
both.  ;)

you wont appreciate the beauty of one without either. ;D

 

agree with attorney...it's fun to "experience" the best of both worlds...but as akyat and kim mentioned:

....." the experience can be just as enjoyable if the rig is properly calibrated and the LP is clean and good quality"........
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: audi0slave on Oct 02, 2004 at 11:42 PM

....." the experience can be just as enjoyable if the rig is properly calibrated and the LP is clean and good quality"........

but that would take much of one's precious time  ;D >:D

besides, you can play any tracks with CDs, you can program when they will be played... you can even have them randomly played or repeatedly played with just a touch of your finger. what more if you have the CD changers or the jukebox CD Players like the Pioneer PD-F1009 where it can house at least 300 CDs...

in short, fingerin mo lang yung remote at mag-eenjoy kana unlike with LPs, magkakanduduling ka pa umasinta just to play a single track. eh paano kapag lasing ka at gusto mong makinig ng music - pampatulog o pampababa ng tama?  >:D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Oct 02, 2004 at 11:53 PM
that's OK attorney!...to each his own talaga...for me, it's a wonderful experience listening to some ticks and pops...standing up to "flip" the LP, cleaing the LP before playing, carefully lifting the headshell/tonearm to transfer to another track (para umasinta)...and it's a thrill "maintaining" and "looking for" LPs...just like the other day, i brought my angela bofill "something about you" LP to her free concert at alabang town center...i chased her as she went to her car service after the concert (as she was surrounded by security)...when i approached her and asked for her autograph, she was so happy and surprised that vinyls do exists...now, my LP is a "collector's item", hehehe! (i still have my CDs and LP collection)

while i have CDs, i still find LPs (especially those with very good pressing) to be more musical and emotional...CDs tend to be "electronic" in sound...but of course, that's me...for others it may be different...

we're blessed to be able to experience "both worlds"...thanks! 8)

by the way, OT, your "tootoot", i'll just leave them c/o watt hi-fi ha...thanks!
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: audi0slave on Oct 03, 2004 at 12:10 AM
my preference of the digital formats doesn't mean i haven't had the chance to own TTs and LPs. i used to enjoy those gears in my childhood and teenage days when listening to Led Zep, Queen, Alice Cooper, Kiss, Yardbirds, Eric Clapton and The Who can only be had on vinyls and carrying LPs at school became a fad and a status symbol. but just like any fad, it has to die so i discarded all of them in college when the digital formats became increasingly popular. and i see myself and the other digital advocates as the more blessed guys for we have seen the light at an early age .... and we can still enjoy music without indulging into extra time, effort and money.  >:D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Oct 03, 2004 at 10:20 AM
I still very much enjoy cds.  Best of both worlds ika nga ni atty JulsP! Most of the time you can't find a certain album in such format kaya you end up resulting to the other, minsan naman mas maganda yung album kesa dun sa isang format. may trade offs talaga.


in short, fingerin mo lang yung remote at mag-eenjoy kana unlike with LPs, magkakanduduling ka pa umasinta just to play a single track.

Atty, para sa akin depende naman sa mood ko. Pag feeling on the "GO" ako, "atat na atat" at "aksyon" kaagad ang hinahanap, sa cd. Pero kung gusto ko munang "humimas" at mang "romansa", ng..................................................plaka, lamesa naman.  >:D ;D ;D


eh paano kapag lasing ka at gusto mong makinig ng music - pampatulog o pampababa ng tama?  >:D

Ay syempre! Sa aksyon kaagad! CD!!!...........  ;D Pero attorney kung marunong ka naman mag-mix, eh di mag-scratch ka na sa TT, enjoy ka pa!......  >:D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Audioboy on Oct 03, 2004 at 06:47 PM
but that would take much of one's precious time  ;D >:D

i agree. after all, we do waste time every time we listen to music. but here is a question.......is it worth the waste? if you think playing vinyl compensates all that time and effort.....that answers it!

personally, whenever i find myself listening to my setup, i would devote 70% of my time listening to my cds and 30% to my vinyls. im more into cds because most of the songs i like are in a CD format and maybe because of convinience. let me tell you this, the bulk of the enjoyment i find in music comes from the 30%. a good vinyl often gives me goose bumps. everytime i play vinyl, i still keep telling myself......."iba talaga plaka tumunog"........buhay na buhay! once you begin enjoying the sound of a vinyl, youll forget about the ticks and pops.

audioslave,

i am more intrigued if what would be the answer of the guys here if the question were: "can you give up your cd player in the name of TT?"

ako.........hindi ko kaya! will throw my TT but not my cd player.

gusto ko may cd player ako kahit na mas gusto ko tunog ng vinyl.  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Oct 04, 2004 at 12:50 PM
Attorney, if i have this....
http://www.shows.soundstagelive.com/shows/avtour2004/frk_showstop2.shtml
WHY NOT?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: arnel90 on Oct 04, 2004 at 08:04 PM
kinda begs the question: instead of having a TT worth 15k + a CDP worth 15k, would it be better instead to upgrade the CDP to a higher-end model worth 30k?

a properly set up 15k TT beats the hell out of a 60k tube cdp  O0
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 04, 2004 at 08:22 PM
will go for both also.. but notice even without convenience of remote, sellect tracks, repeat LP still rocks its the punas, adjusting and etc that gives TT lovers the excitement and gallore..
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: edboy7 on Oct 04, 2004 at 08:39 PM
just found this one :) http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/turntabletest_e.html
i go for the cd but i heard some TT set ups before iba tlaga :) fresh na fresh ang tunog :o tinalo cd copies ko ???
sabi nga ni broder audioslave, cleaning LPs etc eats up time e madalas nasa ofis pa naman ako minsan ala pa uwian, so it would very convinient(rewarding na rin) just to plug and play then sitback and relaks 8), hirap di n makahanap ng LP titles na gusto ko, parang lahat sila "hard to find" na ;D yun lang po :)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: andaleon on Oct 04, 2004 at 10:40 PM
"a properly set up 15k TT beats the hell out of a 60k tube cdp "

A 15K CDP beats the hell out of a 60K TT!

The same way if you pay attention to setting up your digital playback you can get so much music out of it!

The problem with some vinyl guys (not all!) is that they totally shunned away digital playback! They recall how CD's sounded 12 years ago- when, well CD sucked! Some have CD players but they don't give it the same attention as they do their vinyl.

Let's forego the debate on which is more musical.  Digital is more convenient and a lot more choices in software!!! AND ADD DVD CONCERTS TO THAT! And let us not even mention SACD and DVD-Audio.

With the current crop of concert DVD's musical concerts, you get double wammy! You see and you hear it! and And these DVD's are getting out more than they are pressing LP's

That is march towards being there- at the actual recording event!!!!! That's what true musical lovers strive for- TO BE THERE AT THE ACTUAL EVENT.

Analog will never give you that treat of seeing it and hearing it. You can close your eyes and imagine that the performer is there.

Analog is not going anywhere anymore. As soon as these current crop of vinyl lovers die out (we all do), it will die out too. What's on the horizon for digital? One can only imagine.

If you have a collection of vinyl, go ahead love it and cherish it! Some of those music will never be printed again.

If you are starting a music collection, I suggest look into digital.

Digital is the present and the future!
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Audioboy on Oct 05, 2004 at 09:05 AM


a properly set up 15k TT beats the hell out of a 60k tube cdp  O0

agree.  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: iceman90a on Oct 05, 2004 at 09:15 AM


agree. ;D

disagree >:D

you need to consider the price of the phono stage, the phono cables & the cart...

makes the price disparity a little less convincing ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Oct 05, 2004 at 09:16 AM
If you have a collection of vinyl, go ahead love it and cherish it! Some of those music will never be printed again.

If you are starting a music collection, I suggest look into digital.

Digital is the present and the future!
Well said Andaleon, I't's not good to invest on a turntable if you don't have your own huge collection. I can't imagine to spend 10K ++ for a stylus and i will just use it to play a second hand or third...etc. vinyl? I remember what I've read on "Sterophile" magazine: " How do you make a $500 turntable sound like $5K...."Well spend 5K".

Honestly I've heard a good turntable worth $20K it's sound so good...so real! Idon't even recognized it's a vinyl! But I've heard also a good CD player ...A reference CD transport (Air bearing) ...... a Trivista(Musical Fidelity)  DAC and KPW (Musical Fidelity) Preamp....if you have this set-up I'm pretty sure you will forgot vinyl!!!!
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kid on Oct 05, 2004 at 09:45 AM
For me, i love digital because of its playability and convenience. Isa pa, wala pa kong TT eh  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: arnel90 on Oct 05, 2004 at 10:50 AM
"a properly set up 15k TT beats the hell out of a 60k tube cdp "

A 15K CDP beats the hell out of a 60K TT!

Let's forego the debate on which is more musical.  Digital is more convenient and a lot more choices in software!!! AND ADD DVD CONCERTS TO THAT! And let us not even mention SACD and DVD-Audio.

Analog is not going anywhere anymore. As soon as these current crop of vinyl lovers die out (we all do), it will die out too. What's on the horizon for digital? One can only imagine.

If you have a collection of vinyl, go ahead love it and cherish it! Some of those music will never be printed again.

If you are starting a music collection, I suggest look into digital.

Digital is the present and the future!

i still need to hear one 15k cpd sounding better than a 60k TT

when the first cd came out, that's what they all said, the end of the era for the LP, yet there are more and more TT that are coming out in the market and new LPs are even pressed.

i only started seriously collecting music recently, and i am very happy that i have chosen the analog route, little as it maybe, it always brings a smile whenever i play it.

yes digital is definitely improving, maybe when i can't cue on a record because of some old crippling sickness, then i could consider the digital media, but i hope by that time it already has reached its peak of improvement (what's the use of collecting cds now that you can't play on a futuristic digital player?) and more importantly have the moolah also to spend on those megabucks high resolution digital hardware and software.   O0
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: iceman90a on Oct 05, 2004 at 11:53 AM
(what's the use of collecting cds now that you can't play on a futuristic digital player?)

again i disagree >:D

even the latest sacd and dvd players have backward compatibility, meaning they can play regular CD's and show an improvement in the sound reproduction. think of what the future players could do ;D

besides - we should also learn from analog users who ditched their lp's in the advent of cd's... who would have thought that turn table technology would still progress? linear tracking, unipivot, etc. if you sell your cd's now to go analog i'm sure you'll know how those others who sold their lp's before to go CD are feeling right now ;D

bottom line for me is the music - play what you want to hear, on what you have ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: andaleon on Oct 05, 2004 at 12:20 PM
Iceman is right!

Any futuristic digital player can be backward compatible to play CD's.

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: andaleon on Oct 05, 2004 at 12:33 PM
"when the first cd came out, that's what they all said, the end of the era for the LP"

That was jumping the gun a little bit too early.

When CD's first came out, it really did sound awful compared to my TT.  Hated the freaking CD's! I asked, is this progress, supposedly?

But then progress did happen and CD's have long been re-born! However, a lot of TT lovers got locked in to that notion that CD sucked. It did, but not anymore!

Yes, LP's continue to be pressed and produced but that is miniscule compared to the volume of digital media coming out.

I think most of vinyl lovers only love the exclusivity of vinyl playback. It's not common- not banal. It has a snob appeal- which is a true and tried marketing strategy.



Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: arnel90 on Oct 05, 2004 at 01:11 PM
backward compatibility, maybe so, but this new digital hardware is optimized with the newer digital media.

there's no question about the ease and convenience of digital, but experiencing music differently in analog is the reason why i have chosen said path.

i think its the other way around, digital fanatics look down on the old school analog, people who doesn't want to accept the future.  for me there's still no digital media that can sound as good as analog, maybe there is already, but i can't afford it right now.

so like iceman said, enjoy the music on whatever media you have.  O0
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: akyatbundok on Oct 05, 2004 at 03:04 PM
sometimes there can be too much loyalty to a format or technology, that we limit ourself to the side we've chosen, we "exclusive-or" the choices to: LP xor CD, SACD xor DVD-A, Audio xor HT.

mabuhay ang mga balimbing!

seriously, i must admit that the budget (or lack of it) forces us to choose sides.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: jcob on Oct 05, 2004 at 03:49 PM
I'll go for both.

I will listen to music that I have base on the following.

I will play CD if  (1) If I don't have that kind of music on my few LP collection. (2) If the CD copy sounds better than the vinyl copy. (3) if I want to listen, leave it playing and at the same time do something else.

I will listen to my very few vinyl collection if (1) It sounds better than my CD copy (2) I have time to listen only and not do anything else. (3) If I want to impress somebody who does'nt even know what an LP looks like.

I must admit, there are some vinyls that does sounds like more of a CD, and there are CDs that sound like more of a vinyl.

But that's just me.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: krets pulpol on Oct 05, 2004 at 08:05 PM
here's my take.

i would agree with the others having both analog and digital.  this is a sticky topic even from audiophile forums from other countries.  it is similar to tube vs. solid state users each with their own pros and cons.  vinyl lps are difficult to finds these days but still available not obsolete.  you have to rake old specialty stores or source it outside the country.  for cds, it has become the standard format in the last decade so you can find most titles locally except hard to find ones of course.  sacds and dvd-audios are still in dispute over the future of music format until now.  so i guess the cd would still be the common format in the coming years or so.

in terms of resolution, our cds have improved from the 80s but still the average bit rate would be 16 bit unless they are hdcds or xrcds.  analog lps maintain the same audio quality and near lifelike music (very natural).     

here's the question, did you notice most audio enthusiasts are getting back to tube amplification?  i guess this is true with turntables also.  you won't see new turntable products today if analog has gone obsolete.  you won't see a sophisticated-looking belt driven turntable right now if the development has stopped. 

i wouldn't be surprised if i see "system of a down","audioslave" or "red hot chili peppers" vinyl lps today.  even  metallica is releasing a limited "vinyl box" of old albums in 180 gram audiophile quality vinyls.

in terms of maintenance and transport capability, cds would remain the popular choice.  you wouldn't think of an lp player/changer in your car would you hahaha

i guess to each is own, i wouldn't dispose my cds for practical reasons but now i have stopped buying.  my previous purchases have been vinyl lps.  i'm going backwards so sue me  >:D

my two cents only  8)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: audioslave on Oct 06, 2004 at 03:01 PM

audioslave,

i am more intrigued if what would be the answer of the guys here if the question were: "can you give up your cd player in the name of TT?"

ako.........hindi ko kaya! will throw my TT but not my cd player.

gusto ko may cd player ako kahit na mas gusto ko tunog ng vinyl.  ;D


you're right... just like you and most sane people out there who loves music, we'd rather live without a turn table but not without a CD Player.   ;D

digital is our link to the future but there's nothing objectionable about rekindling the past and liking your music coming from analog sources. for them, it's their own distinct and special way of finding satisfaction, enjoyment and happiness brought about by the sounds of the ticks and pops, the calibrations inherent with aligning the stylus to realize its maximum potentials, the brushing of the LPs, all the effort expended on removing dusts on the grooves and the cuing of the tonearm and spotting the widest space on the grooves to land the stylus - that's all part of the silliness we have in every hobbies we take. in my case, my own silly way of enjoying music is just sitting down while listening and doing nothing after the disk had been plugged to play. but to impress upon us that going analog is the path to a better music life or the road to take if you're a music lover is simply preposterous and a perverted conclusion. we do appreciate the fullness and richness of the music coming from analog sources but as technology finds its way to the future, the perceived gap on the superiority of the analog vinyls over the digital formats is slowly being narrowed down by the presence and availability of newer formats like HDCDs, XRCDs, DVD-As and SACDs, which if played on equally competent players - would sound just as pleasingly analog.

well, that's just me... and i'm not an audiophile but a mere audioslave and not being an audiophile means i'm not nuts...  :-* >:D

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Dracula on Oct 07, 2004 at 06:19 PM
Maybe somebody will release a multi format player with a turntable on top! hehe :D

there were comments from a hifi magazine that the new digital formats are just not revolutionary enough to warrant a jump on the SACD and DVDA band wagon they are predicting that we are stuck with the CD format for a few more years.....To put it in the writers words "the new digital formats just aren't sexy enough"....

I think with the presence of real good value turntables like the goldring gr-1...people can get a taste of the analog experience without selling their digital gears...and in the end having a little of both worlds... :D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: bayonic on Oct 07, 2004 at 06:47 PM
i guess i am in the majority<?> who prefers " a little bit of both worlds " ... :)

reasons i bought a turntable ?
because i started buying used LPs again .
because i found a nice,cheap entry level TT

reasons i started buying LPs again ?

... theyr'e dirt cheap.
... for the art work
... nostalgia
... preparing for my retirement , when i'll have all the time in the world to play my LP collection :)

the bad thing about playing LPs as has already been mentioned is that you have to get up everytime you change disc or track or sides ...
the good thing about this bad thing though is that it forces you to listen to the entire album ... and i have discovered several previously unknown songs this way.

i still buy new CDs but I don't think I will be buying those outrageously priced re-released new vinyl LPs. < well maybe one or two for comparison purposes ;)>

 
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro on Oct 07, 2004 at 11:16 PM
kanya kanyang trip lang yan  ;D.  lahat naman tayo parang mga mental case pagdating sa audio e whether analog or digital   O0
lets look at it in a different perspective...some car afficionados prefer the latest automobiles over the old ones.  Those hi tech engines and all the electronic gadgetry slapped on to make the journey from point A to point B more efficient.  in contrast to that some car afficionados prefer old cars that are painstakingly restored. They love the classic lines and the sound that those glorious engines produce.  two types of afficionados, two types of routes taken but the end result of both routes is still getting from point A to point B.  Different choices yet still the same goal and destination. 
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 07, 2004 at 11:24 PM
kanya kanyang trip lang yan  ;D.  lahat naman tayo parang mga mental case pagdating sa audio e whether analog or digital  O0

well said.  ;D

yun iba naman bukod sa trip lang may passion and dedication na din.  ;)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: audioslave on Oct 07, 2004 at 11:35 PM
kanya kanyang trip lang yan  ;D.  lahat naman tayo parang mga mental case pagdating sa audio e whether analog or digital   O0


di ba sir, ikaw yung nagbenta ng TT at sangkatutak na plaka kase mas prefer mo CDs mo. digital pala trip mo ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Dracula on Oct 07, 2004 at 11:49 PM
I'm safe from the dilemma of deciding whether to go analog or digital....I listened to a michelle gyro TT when I was buying my tube amplifier and I couldn't hear the difference...although I would like to get a nice entry level turntable like the GR-1 they're on sale here in the UK for 10k (hhmm tempting very tempting!)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro on Oct 08, 2004 at 08:53 AM


di ba sir, ikaw yung nagbenta ng TT at sangkatutak na plaka kase mas prefer mo CDs mo. digital pala trip mo ;D ;D ;D

audioslave

Please drop the "sir". yes thats me audioslave.  Thanks to a fellow PDVD mental case (like me hehe), my record stash will be well taken care of for the next decade or so  ;). I havent completely gave up on analog since my Technics TT is still with me though I prefer the practicality of the digital medium.  who knows maybe one day I just might go crazy over analog again but for now the digital route suits my taste and lifestyle better than analog.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Oct 08, 2004 at 10:20 AM
kanya kanyang trip lang yan  ;D.  lahat naman tayo parang mga mental case pagdating sa audio e whether analog or digital   O0
lets look at it in a different perspective...some car afficionados prefer the latest automobiles over the old ones.  Those hi tech engines and all the electronic gadgetry slapped on to make the journey from point A to point B more efficient.  in contrast to that some car afficionados prefer old cars that are painstakingly restored. They love the classic lines and the sound that those glorious engines produce.  two types of afficionados, two types of routes taken but the end result of both routes is still getting from point A to point B.  Different choices yet still the same goal and destination. 

way to go synchro!  :D :D :D

lahat tayo'y praning pagdating sa audio!  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: sandawa on Oct 08, 2004 at 11:36 AM
i'm a balimbing on this issue although i prefer digital now for convenience and for many recordings that are really excellent. i still have something like a thousand vinyls incl. Telarc, Sheffield, Chesky, MFSL, Reference, and Japanese virgin pressings and about half a dozen record players, and a dozen cartridges. i had a serious talk with my wife last month and we've decided we would donate my vinyl and record player collection to UP Mindanao library should something unfortunate happen, maybe within the next 40 years. the next generation deserves to hear how good analog hifi technology sounds despite its limitations.

i own a CD player since the mid-80s and didn't like its sound initially until i heard the CD versions of Sheffield, Chesky and Reference titles, which I also have on analog. Lincoln Mayorga's "Missing Linc" and Michael Garson's "Serendipity" are among those that convinced me digital could be good. i also was given a demo by the Linn people at their showroom on Union Square in SF sometime in early '90s on how their technology has improved significantly playing their best analog and digital recordings on their best record and CD players. an analog legend, Linn was among those that originally resisted digital conversion.

what about analog? my experience is that everytime i revisit my collection every three months, i'd notice a note or sound i never heard from the digital versions. there's something there that's difficult to explain - could include the click and pop, maybe the hiss of the original tape where the vinyl recording was sourced, maybe the memory of the golden years of rock, folk-rock and cross-over jazz in the '70s and '80s. whatever it was, it always sounded good to me.

the synthesis? i'd say it's a "to each his own" game. we all have personal preferences that no one can take away from us when we play our gears and music in our rooms. analog or digital? no way, as far as i'm concerned. it should be analog AND digital.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Audioboy on Oct 08, 2004 at 01:05 PM
i'm a balimbing on this issue.......


Quote
.......analog or digital? no way, as far as i'm concerned. it should be analog AND digital.

 ;D

analog or digital? both!
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 11, 2004 at 11:42 AM
I've cast my hobby entirely to digital.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 11, 2004 at 08:24 PM
Would be nice to have both analog and digital.. listening to LP always bring back old memories talaga.. cguro the ceremonias in LP is the addicting factor or the search for hard to find LP give them thrills that analog fanatics love while convenience and latest gears naman for digital..
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: andaleon on Oct 11, 2004 at 09:45 PM
I would like to say it again:

If you are starting, it would be wiser to start an all digital system.

If you have inhereted or have in your possession a good analog collection, go ahead and invest in a good analog playback.

Imagine yourself as having this classic car, it runs on CARBURATOR.  But if I am buying a new car, I would be looking for one with FUEL INJECTION.

If you budget limits to a choice of ONLY one-----go digital. If you can afford to have both, the better! The problem with this is that one tends to compromise one form as resources are pumped into another form. Unless, you have unlimited funds....

If you have kids and other members of the family who wants to enjoy elevated sense of listening but not as hard core as we are--- it's safer to go digital.

If you want to have your cake and  eat it too- ---go for the convenience of digital.

If you love the ritual of playing the grove and the hunt for that elusive vinyl ---go analog
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: sandawa on Oct 12, 2004 at 08:34 AM
I would like to say it again:
If you are starting, it would be wiser to start an all digital system.
If you have inhereted or have in your possession a good analog collection, go ahead and invest in a good analog playback...

i would agree with this, except i have to be practical too. i'm not going to invest more on analog if the cost is too high. what i'm doing now is maintain my collection, maybe add a few more if these wouldn't cost an arm and a leg, and enjoy both formats. again, that's "as far as i'm concerned."
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: audioslave on Nov 06, 2004 at 09:08 AM
i've chosen the digital path again  ;D  >:D

they claim that SACDs' DSD bit streams resemble the analog waveform and DSD sound are remarkably like analog. i'll stake my future adventures to find out if this is truly indeed.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 08, 2004 at 10:11 AM
I've read on the net that the new lossless DTS format for HD-DVD has been accepted by the DVD-Consortium.  Am trying to recall the site, must be at audiohlics.com.  Lossless DTS is touted to replace both DVD-A and SACD.  Morever, it is expected to bring the audio levels of movies to lossless compression quality. 

For those who have cast their lots on digital, like I have, expect to see the obsolescence of your equipment at a fast rate.  Maybe at least 2 years which is just fine for SARS-beaten nuts like me.   ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: doughn on Aug 18, 2005 at 12:31 AM
for me DIGITAL..   why??

1. dvds, watching ht in dts or dd not in (stereo :P)
2. ipod and archos (music portability)  vs. analog walkman
3. cds vs. vinyl (popcorn) but i also have a tt
4. minidisc vs. cassette tape (no match)

just me



Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: jerix on Aug 18, 2005 at 07:02 AM
Digital is what i have now -- it needs additional bucks for building an analog setup that aims principally only to bring back the sound of yesteryears that are not even necessarily better.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 18, 2005 at 12:49 PM
For me Digital is the way to go, analog is just a sort of collection & status symbol as an audiophile. With the blu-ray technology SACD DVDA-A DSD and the availability of XRCD24, i-POD can't hide the fact the we are already on digital age.  This doesn't mean digital is better than the Analog, everything is a matter of storage, everything is getting smaller with higher capacity medium, lighter, thinner accessable......ease of use....plug & play........remote control......whew! Sometimes we need to look back to the "mother of all audio sources" in order to know what music is .....Old School! men
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 22, 2005 at 12:06 PM
kung hindi na mapakali sa plaka, TT, at sa cart at needle, posible yan sinabi mo na status symbol. eh paano kapag bumili na ng mga digital weight scale, laser guided alignment tool etc. ano na kaya ang tawag dun? eh di audiophile diba?  ;D

honestly, maganda ang analog. sa mga may analog, wag nyo naman inaapi ang mga naka digital, maganda din naman digital eh.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 22, 2005 at 01:19 PM
For me Digital is the way to go, analog is just a sort of collection & status symbol as an audiophile.

If you have the money to spend. Then by all means, go spend on the "meanest" rig money can get, but that doesn't  necessarily mean that it's just for status quo whenever you go analog.  ;)

How much is decent digital front-end that can decode HDCD, XRCD or SACD? 16K to 30K, right?.. How much is a decent entry level TT. 5k to 14k. Now add another 8k for an entry level phonostage.

Software???.... How much is a mint impt lp? Php200 to Php350.  How much is a local lp? 3 for Php 100, vg to nm pa condition.  Now how much is an impt cd and a local cd? Yung orig ha! Hindi pi@at$d, ha.  ;D "Do the math" and tell if its status quo or not.  8)

Am not telling that its better than the other format but it's a matter of one's choice on whether which way to go. Why am I more into analog? I love the sound and the thrill of finding those elusive titles, that I like to listen to, and were never pressed into cds.  ;) Ticks and pops, sheeeeesh!!!!!!!..................... as long as you properly clean your lps and a correctly aligned stylus, you won't get these.  ;D   

Convenience, well for sure digital is the way to go, no doubt about it. Hands up ako dyan. That's why I never completely abandoned digital.

Soundwise, mas type ko analog, eh. Ano magagawa ng iba,diba?  >:D ;D ;D But that does not mean, it's for status quo. Don't be afraid. Go ask each one who's into analog for their reasons.  ;) :) ;D

kung hindi na mapakali sa plaka, TT, at sa cart at needle, posible yan sinabi mo na status symbol.

Hmmmm.......... ::)  Mas mura kasi pag align ng cart, pag palit ng cart o pag bili ng bagong lp kesa sa pagpalit ng cdp.  ;D ;D ;D.  If one buys those mega buck rigs and just displays it on his rack and still uses his cdp then that is what we should call status quo. Di mapakali sa lp, di mapakali sa cart at di mapakali sa TT.  Each one has its own sonic characteristics just like amps, preamps, capacitors, circuits, etc...... A rega bias cart definitely sounds different from a shure m-447 cart. Now and if properly implementend on an amp or preamp circuit, does an amp or preamp with auricaps sound different from the ones with only raon parts?.... ;)

eh paano kapag bumili na ng mga digital weight scale, laser guided alignment tool etc. ano na kaya ang tawag dun? eh di audiophile diba?  ;D

Tawag dun?  ::) ::) Marami siyang pera (masipag at marunong lang siya sa buhay kaya maraming pera  ;D ) But seriously, again that does not mean status quo, diba??.......  One does not really have to spend so much when going into analog.  It's just that you have to be wise in buying your equipment para hindi ma loko ng mga tao at mga brands.  ;) . Parang amp at preamp lang yan, pwedeng DIY, pwedeng branded o pwede rin vintage. ;D ;D

 

honestly, maganda ang analog. sa mga may analog, wag nyo naman inaapi ang mga naka digital, maganda din naman digital eh.  ;D ;D ;D

May nang-aapi ba? Wala naman, ah. Nasa interpretasyon nalang ng reader yun kung inaapi siya ::) Ahahahahahaha!!!!!!!...............  ;D ;D ;D ;D


just my opinion.  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 22, 2005 at 05:39 PM
If you have the money to spend. Then by all means, go spend on the "meanest" rig money can get, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's just for status quo whenever you go analog. ;)

How much is decent digital front-end that can decode HDCD, XRCD or SACD? 16K to 30K, right?.. How much is a decent entry level TT. 5k to 14k. Now add another 8k for an entry level phonostage.

Software???.... How much is a mint impt lp? Php200 to Php350. How much is a local lp? 3 for Php 100, vg to nm pa condition. Now how much is an impt cd and a local cd? Yung orig ha! Hindi pi@at$d, ha. ;D "Do the math" and tell if its status quo or not. 8)

Am not telling that its better than the other format but it's a matter of one's choice on whether which way to go. Why am I more into analog? I love the sound and the thrill of finding those elusive titles, that I like to listen to, and were never pressed into cds. ;) Ticks and pops, sheeeeesh!!!!!!!..................... as long as you properly clean your lps and a correctly aligned stylus, you won't get these. ;D

Convenience, well for sure digital is the way to go, no doubt about it. Hands up ako dyan. That's why I never completely abandoned digital.

Soundwise, mas type ko analog, eh. Ano magagawa ng iba,diba? >:D ;D ;D But that does not mean, it's for status quo. Don't be afraid. Go ask each one who's into analog for their reasons. ;) :) ;D

Hmmmm.......... ::) Mas mura kasi pag align ng cart, pag palit ng cart o pag bili ng bagong lp kesa sa pagpalit ng cdp. ;D ;D ;D. If one buys those mega buck rigs and just displays it on his rack and still uses his cdp then that is what we should call status quo. Di mapakali sa lp, di mapakali sa cart at di mapakali sa TT. Each one has its own sonic characteristics just like amps, preamps, capacitors, circuits, etc...... A rega bias cart definitely sounds different from a shure m-447 cart. Now and if properly implementend on an amp or preamp circuit, does an amp or preamp with auricaps sound different from the ones with only raon parts?.... ;)

Tawag dun? ::) ::) Marami siyang pera (masipag at marunong lang siya sa buhay kaya maraming pera ;D ) But seriously, again that does not mean status quo, diba??....... One does not really have to spend so much when going into analog. It's just that you have to be wise in buying your equipment para hindi ma loko ng mga tao at mga brands. ;) . Parang amp at preamp lang yan, pwedeng DIY, pwedeng branded o pwede rin vintage. ;D ;D

 

May nang-aapi ba? Wala naman, ah. Nasa interpretasyon nalang ng reader yun kung inaapi siya ::) Ahahahahahaha!!!!!!!............... ;D ;D ;D ;D


just my opinion. ;D

Sir Kim, I don't think you will be satisfied by an entry level TT :D if your talking about entry level.......... You can buy Php 1.5 K CD player sa ......pier or 2nd hand (meron nga ba?) then copy XRCD, or any audiophile CD for Php150 only! diba?

When I say "status symbol": as  an audiophile (thats my only opinion), why? those people having more than 30K CD player now crazy with analog hehehe! Peace brother.

If you have TT marami accessories! Cleaner etch...etch... a good vinyl sometimes cost more than new XRCD's & HDCD's hehehe.

Buttom line....... kung saan ka masaya!
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: vvt-i on Aug 22, 2005 at 06:11 PM
ako masaya sa analog. but i also play cds  kapag tinatamad ako mag-plaka.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: john5479 on Aug 22, 2005 at 07:05 PM
masaya na ko sa digital. 5k sa transport and 12k sa DAC, swabe tumunog O0 next step is pc based audio (next year na to) via wireless >:D

a properly set up analog rig is hard to beat though a digital front end set up properly can also sound satisfying, and less rituals. then again less rituals does not affect the sound, which is what should matter. 
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 22, 2005 at 07:11 PM
I have both mediums and I favor digital because of its convenience.  my analog front end sees action once in a while though.  been searching far and wide for that affordable digital front end that sounds like an analog rig. I have heard digital front ends that sound like analog but alas...they cost an arm and a leg.  If I do find that piece of gear that is well suited to my budget and needs then ill completely turn my back away from analog but until then im keeping my Technics TT  :)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 22, 2005 at 08:55 PM
senyor DOM paldo,

ikaw pa maloloko eh ang galing-galing mo sa audio, tindi pa ng mga research mo!  ;D

totoo na masipag at marunong sa buhay yan si Kim, masipag at marunong mamili ng plaka, yun mga nabibilan hindi pa naamoy ng iba pinagpilian mo na! kaya siguro sobrang enjoy ang analog experience mo.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 22, 2005 at 09:01 PM
I have both mediums and I favor digital because of its convenience.  my analog front end sees action once in a while though.  been searching far and wide for that affordable digital front end that sounds like an analog rig. I have heard digital front ends that sound like analog but alas...they cost an arm and a leg.  If I do find that piece of gear that is well suited to my budget and needs then ill completely turn my back away from analog but until then im keeping my Technics TT  :)

Most digital front-end that claims that it sounds like analog can buy one a second hand car.  ;D But for all intents and purposes, it seems that old LPs are much cheaper to buy than a new CD disc.  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 22, 2005 at 09:16 PM
Most digital front-end that claims that it sounds like analog can buy one a second hand car.  ;D But for all intents and purposes, it seems that old LPs are much cheaper to buy than a new CD disc.  ;D

very true. one good example that I had the chance to home audition for 2 solid months is the Forsel Air reference CD Transport and its matching partner the Forsel outboard D/A converter.  well what can I say..Jim Forsel indeed suceeded in making it sound ALMOST (95% for me)  like an analog rig...what turned me off is the very stiff price tag at that time (Bnew is Php250T for the combo) and the hyper exotic parts utilized (imagine an air pump that is utilized in rotating the CD in playback..hanep) that I know for sure will break down and those parts are non existent in Asia.

I really hope in the future the technology will bring the cost of those devices down to a level that enthusiasts can afford.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 22, 2005 at 09:38 PM
that's what Kim said, a decent digital is more expensive than analog.

the day will come when their prices will be affordable. i hope so.  ;D

in the mean time, I see people converting cdrom drives into cd players and having the time of their life.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 22, 2005 at 10:14 PM

the day will come when their prices will be affordable. i hope so.  ;D


oh yes it will...its just a matter of time.  if man can go to the moon then I see no reason why they cant engineer a playback system that is affordable and warm sounding like analog.  It will all depend on the demand. if there is no market then for sure they (the manufacturers) wont spend a dime to R&D such a device. we will be stuck with maverick manufacturers such as Jim Forsel, Krell and what have you.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 23, 2005 at 09:21 AM
Sir Kim, I don't think you will be satisfied by an entry level TT :D if your talking about entry level.......... You can buy Php 1.5 K CD player sa ......pier or 2nd hand (meron nga ba?) then copy XRCD, or any audiophile CD for Php150 only! diba?
Same with cdps lang yan.  Alot of people or members here have already upgraded their cdps from entry level to mid level cdps. 2k for cdps in pier, p-mount TT's also delve in the same price range. XRCD or Audiophile CD for Php 150 only!? Di pa rin eh, ang mahal.  ;D ;D Audiophile grade na lps 2nd hand in mint condition(decca, columbia six eyes, capitol, Rainbow Rim Capitol, London, Living Stereo, etc......) The labels I mention are at par with those new 200 gram pressings and sometimes even far more superior.  >:D >:D I can get it at 3 or even 4 for Php 100.00.  Damn, I was even able haul a little over 190 imported lps a couple of months ago for what, Php 2.8k, say Php 14.75/each. Best thing is they were all in vg to near mint condition and ilan lang ang tinapon kong lps dun.  >:D >:D ;D ;D  Tuwang-tuwa nga yung owner ng thriftshop sa akin at pinakyaw ko raw yung paninda niya.   ;D

If you have TT marami accessories! Cleaner etch...etch... a good vinyl sometimes cost more than new XRCD's & HDCD's hehehe.

Di pa rin talaga, eh... ::) >:D ;D If you can spend for a sub 5k isolation device for a cdp and a Php 500.00 cd lens cleaner then you can spend on a 1K record brush and a 1.5k stylus cleaner.  Even if you're still talking about XRCD's and HDCD's mahal pa rin, eh kahit p$ra@e^ pa yan! Wouldn't it be nice to have original media.......  ;D ;D ;D

Bottom line....... kung saan ka masaya!

Exactly my point!  ;D It's what you call passion.  Well, the only misconception about this certain aspect of the hobby, analog, is that you have to spend so much.  No, one doesn't really have to spend all his earnings to say to himself that he has a great analog rig. You just have to be wise and adventurous in acquiring analog equipment and software.  Ke mapa analog o mapa digital, lolokohin ka kung magpapaloko ka, especially sa mga reviews. Parang digital din yan, meron masaya sa simpleng cd player lang at meron din hindi makuntento pag walang trivista dac na nakakabit sa cdp niya, diba?..........Sa analog, ganun din.  Meron masaya sa simpleng Technics lang at meron naman di makuntento kaya bumibili ng clearaudio, nottingham, vpi, linn, etc......


senyor DOM paldo,

ikaw pa maloloko eh ang galing-galing mo sa audio, tindi pa ng mga research mo!  ;D

totoo na masipag at marunong sa buhay yan si Kim, masipag at marunong mamili ng plaka, yun mga nabibilan hindi pa naamoy ng iba pinagpilian mo na! kaya siguro sobrang enjoy ang analog experience mo.  ;D ;D ;D


Jo, tatlong klase ng tao lang ang nabubuhay dito sa mundong ito : isang manloloko, isang naloloko, at isang nilikhang lokoloko.......Ahehehehehehe........ ;D ;D




ako masaya sa analog. but i also play cds  kapag tinatamad ako mag-plaka.  ;D ;D ;D

Pagtinatamad ako mag-plaka, I turn-on my ever reliable vintage FM tuner.  ;D  kakatamad din kasi mag lipat ng dvd player sa sala eh.  ;D

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: s2kov on Aug 23, 2005 at 09:48 AM
kimpao,

ganun nman tlga eh, kung san ka masaya and what you can afford! ;D actually, i used both format, but to me, analog sound is the way to go. >:D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 23, 2005 at 10:57 AM
Recently, I bought brand new LPs - about 20pcs. at P50 a piece. I like the contents thats why I bought it.
I have my own TT - an audio-technica WEGA model (german made) - still running good with its orig cart.

I have also CDP, that plays HDCD, and I like to hear HDCD - good resolution. I did not invest yet in SACD/DVD-A/XRCD for the simple reason that it is just a matter of time that tech improves more and prices drop - my patience is a virtue to my pocket.  ;D

I also play most of my favorite contents in both CD and TT - not that they are "audiophily"  ::) recorded but because it is the content that I am more concerned with.

I stayed with both because some contents I am interested with are not in CD and some are not in LP. But if I find one in both format, I go the CD way - simply because I can have the contents preserved in any way, unlike the wear&tear that goes with LP thing.

All materials recorded differently, and since I want to listen to them regardless of their recording quality, I have to adjust many parameters sometimes. Reason why I have full range driver, and modern bookshelf+sub, Why i have separate amp for TT and CD.

Sound comparison - hard to simply categorize which is better. Ones sonic taste is too subjective to be debated upon, and such taste is typically anchored on what is currently setup in ones audio rig (a very vast factor to consider), which makes it more difficult to quantify as a whole to serve as standard (or common ground) for the rest of the so-called audiophiles.

Some people have really spent no limit to come-up with the "sound-to-die-for" setup. Interestingly, some people have implemented same "banana" thing just at a small cost. It is understandable - you might say - because the factor of subjectivity knows no definite limit.

However, if the same audiophile have met both implementation (the costly and the cheaply), costs becomes an easy justification to go cheaper especially if the system is not really a night-and-day thing. And there have been records of this type of findings nowadays - from some high-end users who discovered some cheaper implementation can blow the most expensive setup (always if properly implemented - system synergy and matching).

I can only agree with one of the earlier poster that sometimes, you only need to be wiser than those peddling a very limited valuation of their sonic (and gear) preferences. Most of those bitten into high cost of sound gear are those who
- correlate audio cost to performance
- have no knowledge where to get very good but cheap implementation
- are not readily equipped to correlate audio science to the art of listening to audio
- simlpy invested in known high-end gears
They are not wrong! It is their circumstance at one point in time. That is still the best decision they have made given their particular circumstances. Sometimes they woke up and go to buy and sell section of pinoydvd!  ;D


Bottomline, ones setup is dictated by
- his convenience
- his cost
- his content
- his sonic preferences
- his value of cost related to sound quality (whatever this means)
- his attack to accomplishing good audio (relative to his ear)
- his readiness to filter crap info from the sound one
- and of course - aethetics (as in - payabang, paporma, pampaganda etc)

MABUHAY!  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: s2kov on Aug 23, 2005 at 11:57 AM
given this, that is part of this hobby that we must accept for those who have high-end gears. i don't believe to people commenting which format and gear is good even if he doesn't have it and do serious listening.


- and of course - aethetics (as in - payabang, paporma, pampaganda etc)

MABUHAY!  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 23, 2005 at 12:21 PM
I'd rather put it this way "One's lifestyle is dictated by his income".   ;)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 23, 2005 at 12:22 PM
i don't believe to people commenting which format and gear is good even if he doesn't have it and do serious listening.

very true.  you gotta live with the gear to know it well.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:03 PM
I'd rather put it this way "One's lifestyle is dictated by his income".   ;)

senyor paldo, dapat digital or analog, hindi lifestyle.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

given this, that is part of this hobby that we must accept for those who have high-end gears. i don't believe to people commenting which format and gear is good even if he doesn't have it and do serious listening.


it's true that it's a part of our hobby, a part that we can't listen to...  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:09 PM
senyor paldo, dapat digital or analog, hindi lifestyle.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Eh status quo lang daw pag analog. Kaya give me "bragging rights"!.....  Ahehehehehe ;D :o


Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:23 PM
Blessed are those who have at least 100's of good LP's oopssss not to forget those who have 100's of original audiophile CD's ;D ;D ;D

Obviously the market trend is going to Digitals.  I'm not against Analog but sometimes it's hard to accept the fact that our LP's  will not plays as good as it was 3 years ago (Because of friction as I've read). I've heard a comparison between LP's & XRCD's they are almost the same, to think XRCD will play the same for the lifetime it's worth  an investment.

Both Digital & Analog have their own advantages & disadvantages to balance it, you must have both. ::)



Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:27 PM
Eh status quo lang daw pag analog. Kaya give me "bragging rights"!..... Ahehehehehe ;D :o



Lifestyle is a product of Bose  ;D
Kidding aside, if your not devoted to audio music (audiophile) you will never appreciate TT!
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: s2kov on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:35 PM
jojo,

when i said hobby, it has passion that i dedicated myself whatever it is! >:D let's just be true to ourselves, as synchro_01 posted "you gotta live with the gear to know it well."

how will you know if you don't have it and do serious listening.

senyor paldo, dapat digital or analog, hindi lifestyle.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

it's true that it's a part of our hobby, a part that we can't listen to...  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:42 PM
Kidding aside, if your not devoted to audio music (audiophile) you will never appreciate TT!
Kidding aside, what you're saying is also applicable to digital.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:48 PM
given this, that is part of this hobby that we must accept for those who have high-end gears. i don't believe to people commenting which format and gear is good even if he doesn't have it and do serious listening.


And yet "serious listening" is again a very subjective matter to begin with . . . and it differs with those that use their ears and with those that use their SPL meters!  ;D

Pero psycho-wise, iba talaga kapag maganda dating ng japorms! its like nagiging pogi (kahit ngetpa ka) ka sa mga chikas pag may magara kang tsikot! Kahit walang ibubuga, may dating pa rin!  ;D

This is also the reason why, in a more level-headed personalities, selecting which is better is made in the light of what have been heard or tested so far (and it should be in the same environment).

Yeah, the cost of money in the bose lifestyle is basically geared to aesthetics genereally!  :P

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:56 PM
Lifestyle is a product of Bose  ;D
Kidding aside, if your not devoted to audio music (audiophile) you will never appreciate TT!

E paano naman ang todong nag-aapreciate sa iPod at walkman, hindi ba sila devoted to audio music? ano ba laman ng iPod, wala pa ko non eh!  ;D

I think what audiophile aspire is not devotion to music but devotion to the realistic (relative to ones concept of whats real  ;D) reproduction of music
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: s2kov on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:58 PM
i agree with you, audio is very subjective. :) i'm just curious with others commenting which format or gears is good even they don't have it! ;D

And yet "serious listening" is again a very subjective matter to begin with . . . and it differs with those that use their ears and with those that use their SPL meters!  ;D

Pero psycho-wise, iba talaga kapag maganda dating ng japorms! its like nagiging pogi (kahit ngetpa ka) ka sa mga chikas pag may magara kang tsikot! Kahit walang ibubuga, may dating pa rin!  ;D

This is also the reason why, in a more level-headed personalities, selecting which is better is made in the light of what have been heard or tested so far (and it should be in the same environment).

Yeah, the cost of money in the bose lifestyle is basically geared to aesthetics genereally!  :P


Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:01 PM
I'd rather put it this way "One's lifestyle is dictated by his income".   ;)

Ones lifestyle is dictated by his TT or CDP
Ones TT or CDP is dictated by his income
ones income is dictated by his lifestyle (as in govt officials)

parang pareho silang lahat ah!  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: john5479 on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:14 PM
hmmm, when aesthetics comes into play there are good looking tt's and cdps, if i had the moolah i would get a gyrodec or an oddyssey for the looks alone  ;D and a zanden cd player for the digital front end based on looks alone  ;D conincedentally they are both well reviewed.  however there are other factors to consider in choosing whether to go analog or digital, each has its pros and cons...its just a matter of choice for the listener.
 - can he afford it ?
 - does he have time to maintain and listen ?
 - what to him has the most bang for buck ?
 - like it or not, there are people who choose one over the other based on what others will say  :'(
 - does it look good?

some questions to answer..just my 1 piso
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:21 PM
i'm just curious with others commenting which format or gears is good even they don't have it! ;D

baka nabalitaan sa isang website ng kapatid ng kapitbahay ng pinsan nila na hindi maganda yung isang gear or format. daming ganyan bro  ;D

live with the gear to know it well...you will know both its positives and negatives.  30 minute auditions does not apply IMHO.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:50 PM
Ones lifestyle is dictated by his TT or CDP
Ones TT or CDP is dictated by his income
ones income is dictated by his lifestyle (as in govt officials)

parang pareho silang lahat ah!  ;D

Ahahahahaha!!!!!.......... Nice one aHobbit. I totally agree with you on this....... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:52 PM
Parang "Red" or "Blue" pill. Ahehehehehe................  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: s2kov on Aug 23, 2005 at 03:00 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D kakatawa tlaga!

baka nabalitaan sa isang website ng kapatid ng kapitbahay ng pinsan nila na hindi maganda yung isang gear or format. daming ganyan bro  ;D

live with the gear to know it well...you will know both its positives and negatives.  30 minute auditions does not apply IMHO.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 23, 2005 at 03:09 PM
baka nabalitaan sa isang website ng kapatid ng kapitbahay ng pinsan nila na hindi maganda yung isang gear or format. daming ganyan bro  ;D

synchro_01, yan ang tinatawag na "Audiofool"

But seriously, I could only agree with you and s2kov. The hobby is very subjective, everyone here has his own preference or even "snake-oil", i should say. In my opinion, a single track audition of any format or equipment wouldn't do justice to such, not even a single session would do.  Most of us here audition several setups before deciding what to buy or even get, diiba?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 24, 2005 at 11:58 AM
i don't believe to people commenting which format and gear is good even if he doesn't have it and do serious listening.


Is this a forum for believing or justification, I tought this is just expressing somebodys opinion. Serious listening is very subjective, do we need to elaborate what is serious listening?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: s2kov on Aug 24, 2005 at 12:13 PM
yes, we are expressing our opinion which is good. but our opinion will be supported of what gears do we have. how can you say that this format is better than this even if you don't have it. serious listening can only be done if you give more time in listening and not just attending any sessions and/or go to audio shop and audition the gears you want to listen.

Is this a forum for believing or justification, I tought this is just expressing somebodys opinion. Serious listening is very subjective, do we need to elaborate what is serious listening?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 24, 2005 at 12:31 PM
yes, we are expressing our opinion which is good. but our opinion will be supported of what gears do we have. how can you say that this format is better than this even if you don't have it. serious listening can only be done if you give more time in listening and not just attending any sessions and/or go to audio shop and audition the gears you want to listen.


Won't this alienate analog-only and digital-only users? As for serious listening, what if one listens to "music" more rather than to the sound one's gear makes?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 24, 2005 at 12:38 PM
E paano naman ang todong nag-aapreciate sa iPod at walkman, hindi ba sila devoted to audio music? ano ba laman ng iPod, wala pa ko non eh! ;D

I think what audiophile aspire is not devotion to music but devotion to the realistic (relative to ones concept of whats real ;D) reproduction of music
Correct that's an audiophile  aspires (as close as possible to reality).

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 24, 2005 at 12:42 PM
I'd rather put it this way "One's lifestyle is dictated by his income". ;)
Now we are talking about how much you can afford bro! Don't take it seriously, we're just talking about our opinion about "which way to go, analog or digital" not what best you have. ???
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Aug 24, 2005 at 12:47 PM
for me i have both analog and digital, but just like jetok, kim and the others, i find myself spending more time with analog vs. my digital rig...the "involvement" with analog is much much different as compared to digital...while i know that we are in the "digital age", for me LPs (especially mint ones) still sound much more superior than CDs, even if the CD is HDCD or even XRCD...the "warmth" is more felt in analog than digital...but this is me...

i've had a tube CDP before with the notion that i can "capture" the sound of analog with a good CDP, de tubo pa at that...but still the sound of analog would haunt me (i just had a technics back then)...

yes, this hobby is very subjective...even my closest audio friends, di kami mag-agree kung maganda or di maganda ang isang set-up because it's really subjective...a good friend of mine really loves analog but is too lazy to flip LPs that's why he sticks it out to digital...ako naman i find the thrill in the "preparation" stage before playing my favorite LPs, i.e. using the carbon fibre brush for the LP, using the stylus cleaner, etc....

and again, i agree with kim, simple math will reveal that analog is cheaper as a very good/mint LP would cost around P200-P400 imported, for local it ranges from P30-P150...what a thrill to also "hunt' for hard-to-find LPs just like Bong Penera's Samba Song, LPs of Juan Dela Cruz Band, Mike Francis, Julia Fordham, etc...

for me, it is still analog...but i'll keep my analog rig for those "lazy" days...thanks! :D :D :D

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 24, 2005 at 12:50 PM
. serious listening can only be done if you give more time in listening and not just attending any sessions and/or go to audio shop and audition the gears you want to listen.

OK, thats your opinion. Attending sessions & shop audition is not serious listening. Anybody agree?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 24, 2005 at 02:15 PM
Don't take it seriously, we're just talking about our opinion about "which way to go, analog or digital" not what best you have. ???
Nope, never took it seriously.  ;D ;D

Now we are talking about how much you can afford bro!

For me Digital is the way to go, analog is just a sort of collection & status symbol as an audiophile.

If I were talking about "How much one can afford" then I would be having the same opinion as yours, right? And   I would be voicing such opinion as this "analog is just a sort of collection & status symbol as an audiophile"  ;D

Now going back to the topic. Analog or Digital, which way to go. Bottomline, it really depends on ones preference.  Sound Quality of each format, depende pa rin kung ano preference mo. Now, if we are to claim that one costs more than the other, that is debatable.  Going analog is not "Status Symbol", it's basically which format you prefer. Look, I previously own a flagship model CDP which I got for 35K ++, I trashed it for what? An entry level new production TT which I only bought for 15K plus bnew, 3.4k for a bnew decent cartridge. Why? Even if the cdp sounded so great the enrty level TT was able to produce a more livelier and engaging sound for me.

Now which one is costs more? Is that status symbol? Again, do your math... ;)  ;D ;D ;D

If we are to ask Which is better, analog or digital? Everybody can go on discussing this for "centuries"and still end-up with no concrete results. Why? It's subjective, it's personal preference....
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 24, 2005 at 02:19 PM
OK, thats your opinion. Attending sessions & shop audition is not serious listening. Anybody agree?

You should always consider equipment being used in the shop as well as room treatment.  Pag session naman, masyado magulo, pero masaya. Kaya ako home audition ang ginagawa ko for a couple of days.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Aug 24, 2005 at 02:30 PM
for me, serious listening means having time alone, in my room (and its condition/s), using my present gears to audition a specific product, because you'll only know if it sounds good to you in your own room and using your own gears...the gears and room condition in shops are (or maybe) different than your own...for listening sessions, again the gears and room condition may be different with  yours...agree with kim, home audition is the best! thanks! :D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 24, 2005 at 02:35 PM
Won't this alienate analog-only and digital-only users?

Don't think so.

As for serious listening, what if one listens to "music" more rather than to the sound one's gear makes?
If you're listening to the music and not the sound one's gear make, then it wouldn't be a problem, diba? As long as you enjoy the music, whether be it analog or digital, you wouldn't care what gear is producing such sound, diba.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 24, 2005 at 02:44 PM
Don't think so.
If you're listening to the music and not the sound one's gear make, then it wouldn't be a problem, diba? As long as you enjoy the music, whether be it analog or digital, you wouldn't care what gear is producing such sound, diba.

Yes, yes.

I was just under the impression that one has to own and "seriously" use both formats before he gets to have a "valid opinion" on w/c is better.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: s2kov on Aug 24, 2005 at 02:49 PM
that's the point! ;D

You should always consider equipment being used in the shop as well as room treatment.  Pag session naman, masyado magulo, pero masaya. Kaya ako home audition ang ginagawa ko for a couple of days.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 24, 2005 at 02:51 PM
Now going back to the topic. Analog or Digital, which way to go. Bottomline, it really depends on ones preference. Sound Quality of each format, depende pa rin kung ano preference mo. Now, if we are to claim that one costs more than the other, that is debatable. Going analog is not "Status Symbol", it's basically which format you prefer. Look, I previously own a flagship model CDP which I got for 35K ++, I trashed it for what? An entry level new production TT which I only bought for 15K plus bnew, 3.4k for a bnew decent cartridge. Why? Even if the cdp sounded so great the enrty level TT was able to produce a more livelier and engaging sound for me.

Now which one is costs more? Is that status symbol? Again, do your math... ;) ;D ;D ;D

Opps, you haven't mention good Phono Stage & other accessories to play it well  ::)
Status symbol as devoted to audio music (your an Audiophile) ...........
No argument , your preference is Analog mine is different. As I have said I am not against Analog.
Lets go back to Topic

Which way to go? Analog or Digital?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 24, 2005 at 02:57 PM
You should always consider equipment being used in the shop as well as room treatment. Pag session naman, masyado magulo, pero masaya. Kaya ako home audition ang ginagawa ko for a couple of days. ;D ;D ;D
It depends on how you evaluate the equipment  in the shop, there are lshops that can offer space (acoustically treated room) and let you evaluate  alone for a day.
Sa Session naman, depends on place and attendees.

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 24, 2005 at 03:01 PM
shop audition and shootout sessions are OK but rarely do I decide to buy a piece of gear just because it performed well for an hour or two in front of me using a different set of gears and in a different listening environment to boot. This is where having a good business relationship with your friendly A/V shop comes into play.  The best would be to take the piece of gear home with you and give it a try for a couple of days using your gears and your room.  you may discover a lot of things this way that you didnt notice to begin with when you first auditioned it at the shop..like for example..what may be detailed and transparent when you tested it at the A/V store may turn out to be fatiguing and clinical when you use it at your place and with your gears.  Home audition is best talaga.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 24, 2005 at 03:04 PM
Opps, you haven't mention good Phono Stage & other accessories to play it well  ::)
Which way to go? Analog or Digital?
15k bnew entry level TT + 3.4K bnew cart + 8k phonostage = di pa rin talaga eh.  ;D ;D

Look, in purchasing gears whether digital or analog you really have to be wise.  ;)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 24, 2005 at 03:05 PM
OK, thats your opinion. Attending sessions & shop audition is not serious listening. Anybody agree?

I think I can not judge anyone's seriousness at any given time - kung baga sa korte, you have to prove otherwise, and the burden of proof will be in the accuser in the negative. Again, before the hearing starts, somebody should point the law that defines what constitute seriousness! Your honor!  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 24, 2005 at 03:12 PM
...for me LPs (especially mint ones) still sound much more superior than CDs, even if the CD is HDCD or even XRCD...the "warmth" is more felt in analog than digital...

DI kaya amp and speaker synergy ang culprit kung bakit maganda phono mo at ngetpa si XRCD/HDCD! just scratching my head on the comparison without the benefit of setup complements. Of course I recognise its only you.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 24, 2005 at 03:14 PM
and again, i agree with kim, simple math will reveal that analog is cheaper as a very good/mint LP would cost around P200-P400 imported, for local it ranges from P30-P150...what a thrill to also "hunt' for hard-to-find LPs just like Bong Penera's Samba Song, LPs of Juan Dela Cruz Band, Mike Francis, Julia Fordham, etc...

Yeah! got imported ones at P50 a piece brand new - my contents of course. But on the CD thing, some people can get it even cheaper than LP, being creative enough!  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 24, 2005 at 03:43 PM
....there are lshops that can offer space (acoustically treated room) and let you evaluate  alone for a day.

odyopayl,  what would be the shops that you are referring to that actually permits one to audition gears for the whole day?   this is good news for a lot of enthusiasts.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Aug 24, 2005 at 05:42 PM
odyopayl, what would be the shops that you are referring to that actually permits one to audition gears for the whole day? this is good news for a lot of enthusiasts.
Sent you PM
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 24, 2005 at 06:11 PM
It depends on how you evaluate the equipment  in the shop, there are lshops that can offer space (acoustically treated room) and let you evaluate  alone for a day.

Pa PM din kung san 'to?  ???   or kung pwede paki post para naman members can benefit from this.  :)  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Aug 24, 2005 at 06:27 PM
for the day? u mean 1 whole day? paano naman yung ibang customers?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 24, 2005 at 06:30 PM
for the day? u mean 1 whole day? paano naman yung ibang customers?

Pila balde.    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Aug 24, 2005 at 06:34 PM
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DI kaya amp and speaker synergy ang culprit kung bakit maganda phono mo at ngetpa si XRCD/HDCD! just scratching my head on the comparison without the benefit of setup complements. Of course I recognise its only you.

system synergy? that's the least of my worries...why because i know how my system sounds...everything else is equal...i.e. cables, amp, TT, CDP, room condition...what i compare is software, i.e. LP vs. CD...it doesn't mean na when you have an XRCD it sounds superior over ordinary CD, or HDCD...
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Aug 24, 2005 at 06:37 PM
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pila balde :D :D :D

kim, ang saya-saya niyan!! :D :D :D eh dapat sa 7/11 na lang mag-audition para 24-hours :D :D :D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 24, 2005 at 06:40 PM
kim, ang saya-saya niyan!! :D :D :D eh dapat sa 7/11 na lang mag-audition para 24-hours :D :D :D

 :o ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Aug 24, 2005 at 06:46 PM
may freebie kayang lugaw at lomi para sa customers na mag-audition the whole day? para naman di antukin...maski ako yung may-ari ng tindahan eh aantukin din ako eh...
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: john5479 on Aug 24, 2005 at 07:14 PM
IMHO there are great recordings in cd/hdcd/xrcd and great recordings for LPs as well. Same thing that there are bad recordings for the mediums mentioned. Just because you are playing an lp does it mean that it will always sound good. Same as saying if its on cd it does not necessarily mean it won't sound good.

For me you can actually set-up an analog rig that is cheaper and more musically satisfying but more maintenance.
In contrast you can set-up a digital rig for convenience but for it to be musically satisfying you may have to spend more. However if the question is can i have a setup that can be musically satisfying using a digital front end ? for me yes...is it superior to an analog front end ? I won't go that far. O0

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: iceman90a on Aug 24, 2005 at 08:54 PM
uy buhay na naman itong thread na ito :) which way to go? eh di sa medium kung san available ang music/artists na gusto mo madinig: lp, cd, dvd, cassette...

why bother convincing anyone else which medium is better?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 24, 2005 at 08:56 PM
jojo,

when i said hobby, it has passion that i dedicated myself whatever it is! >:D let's just be true to ourselves, as synchro_01 posted "you gotta live with the gear to know it well."

how will you know if you don't have it and do serious listening.


agree ako 100% sa iyo manong! dapat let's be true to ourselves, ika nga sa commercial... magpakatotoo ka!  ;D ;D ;D

seriously, ang sarap ng audio ano? dapat magpasalamat tayong lahat at meron tayo analog at digital! either or both, we should be thankful that it plays good music and sooths our senses...



Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:00 PM
We Also Serve Audiophile Foods - matinding strategy ito, wala pa shops na nakaisip nito ah....

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:06 PM
uy buhay na naman itong thread na ito :) which way to go? eh di sa medium kung san available ang music/artists na gusto mo madinig: lp, cd, dvd, cassette...

why bother convincing anyone else which medium is better?

fafa vens musta ka na? miss na kita eh!  >:D

yun cassette sa analog yun kasali diba? meron pa ako player nun at mga metal typeII tapes.  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: john5479 on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:08 PM
We Also Serve Audiophile Foods - matinding strategy ito, wala pa shops na nakaisip nito ah....



ano yan? pag nakakain ka ba ng audiophile food, tatalas ba pandinig mo and you'll appreciate music more? hehe
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:15 PM
ano yan? pag nakakain ka ba ng audiophile food, tatalas ba pandinig mo and appreciate music? hehe

kung whole day kasi audition ng gears syempre magugutom ka kaya dapat audiophile grade din ang food. hehe


Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: iceman90a on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:25 PM
fafa vens musta ka na? miss na kita eh! >:D

yun cassette sa analog yun kasali diba? meron pa ako player nun at mga metal typeII tapes. ;D

heto Pre - nabibingi sa mga makina sa planta... :(

yup sa analog yan, sayang nga mga tapes ko - sa walkman lang (oo meron pa ako nun) napapakinggan.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:33 PM
heto Pre - nabibingi sa mga makina sa planta... :(

yup sa analog yan, sayang nga mga tapes ko - sa walkman lang (oo meron pa ako nun) napapakinggan.

ingat sa noise pre baka masobrahan sa decibels at mawala ang golden ears!  ;D ;D ;D

ayos! linisin ko yun tape deck ko para sa next session mag cassette naman tayo!

 ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: s2kov on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:35 PM
ang saya sya! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


seriously, ang sarap ng audio ano? dapat magpasalamat tayong lahat at meron tayo analog at digital! either or both, we should be thankful that it plays good music and sooths our senses...




Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: rony on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:51 PM
which way to go? eh di sa medium kung san available ang music/artists na gusto mo madinig: lp, cd, dvd, cassette...

why bother convincing anyone else which medium is better?

Tama ka ice.  ;D TUMPAK ka diyan.  8) Darating din ang panahon vince na babalik at babalik rin tayo sa digital mga 15 to 20 yrs. siguro

bad sounding CD vs. bad sounding LP sino panalo?
good sounding CD vs. good sounding LP sino panalo?

o kaya Cantate Domino XRCD vs. Cantate Domino ATR Germany

yun gears na pag testingan palagay na natin nasa 30-50K yun CD-player + kung me mga DAC pa tapos sa turntable lagay na natin sa 30-50K din. entry level to moderate yun preamp,power at speakers.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 24, 2005 at 10:08 PM
this thread is on fire...48 hours ago it was only 4 pages. now its on its 8th page already  :o

never ending ito...shades of valve gears vs. s/s discussions  >:D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Aug 24, 2005 at 10:16 PM
We Also Serve Audiophile Foods - matinding strategy ito, wala pa shops na nakaisip nito ah....


doc, OK to ha! :D ano naman kaya ang specialty? anything edible related to "hearing" tulad ng sisig, tengang daga?? :D :D peace po! :D :D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: taggart on Aug 24, 2005 at 11:42 PM
this thread is on fire...48 hours ago it was only 4 pages. now its on its 8th page already  :o

never ending ito...shades of valve gears vs. s/s discussions  >:D

very hot thread here!!! ;D

for me, both analog and digital have their own merits like those already mentioned by the masters.  best to try them both...if budget's a concern(like me), go for 2nd hand items na lang.  i'd rather listen to both(albeit entry level systems) formats than to just one top of the line analog or digital but if you can afford both top of the lines...i'd say go for it. >:D 
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 25, 2005 at 08:28 AM
Whoahey!!!!!............ :o ;D ;D ;D Tape deck, hinalukay ko kagabi. Still have my collection of cassette tapes. Very nostalgic....Ahehehehehehe........  ;D ;D ;D ;D  Was also able to find my dad's reel tape player yun tag 4 hrs bawat reel.  ;D ;D Pwede kaso baka sabihin may wina-wire tap ako.  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Aug 25, 2005 at 08:31 AM
congrats, kim!...buti ka pa! eh yung mga cassette tapes ko na-nenok nung dati naming househelp, sayang... :D :D :D ayus yan! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 25, 2005 at 09:07 AM
hehe I remember years ago when CD changers were still non existent. I used to carry a bagfull of cassette tapes inside my car so that I have my music wherever I go. My dream device back then was the cassette tape changer manufactured by a small start up company named Alpine electronics.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 25, 2005 at 10:22 AM
Whoahey!!!!!............ :o ;D ;D ;D Tape deck, hinalukay ko kagabi. Still have my collection of cassette tapes. Very nostalgic....Ahehehehehehe........  ;D ;D ;D ;D  Was also able to find my dad's reel tape player yun tag 4 hrs bawat reel.  ;D ;D Pwede kaso baka sabihin may wina-wire tap ako.  ;D

ahahaha! meron din ako nyan! Kaso nag molds na yun Memorex na tapes, yun BASF na lang ang malinis. Tamang tama yan sa surveilance kasi may recording speed na pwedeng 24 hours yun isang tape. hehehe... Kim hindi na yata para sa analog yan, tools of another trade na yata yan pre kaya meron ka nyan.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 25, 2005 at 10:26 AM
doc, OK to ha! :D ano naman kaya ang specialty? anything edible related to "hearing" tulad ng sisig, tengang daga?? :D :D peace po! :D :D

that's just a thought, malay mo meron shop bigla mag offer nito diba.... cge, at mag audiophile coffee (wala sa Starbucks nyan) and audiophile cigarette break muna ako. Naks!  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 25, 2005 at 10:29 AM
ahahaha! meron din ako nyan! Kaso nag molds na yun Memorex na tapes, yun BASF na lang ang malinis. Tamang tama yan sa surveilance kasi may recording speed na pwedeng 24 hours yun isang tape. hehehe... Kim hindi na yata para sa analog yan, tools of another trade na yata yan pre kaya meron ka nyan.  ;D ;D ;D



chief, analog pa rin ang classification niyan.  i've seen somewhere from the other site (don't know which particular thread) that these reel tape recordings are the closest to the real thing. But come to think of it  ::)  directly diyan siya nire-record diba, siya yung master recording before transferring to other media.  >:D

Pre baka naman 8 mm na film reel ang sinasabi mo. yung kailangan magsabit kapa ng kumot as screen tapos manonood ka ng mga sinaunang tooooooooot.............. Censord...... Ahehhehee ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 25, 2005 at 10:32 AM
audiophile cigarette break muna ako. Naks!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

audiophile cigarette break?  ::) ???  = bagong project nanaman. ano yan?!....digital turntable na may DAC at OPAMP >:( ;D ;D Bwahahahahaha.......
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: john5479 on Aug 25, 2005 at 10:57 AM
kimpao: dac with tube output and tube rectified yung bagong project >:D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 25, 2005 at 10:59 AM
kimpao: hindi po dac with tube output and tube rectified yung bagong project >:D

Aba! Aba! Mukhang may pinaluluto ka nanaman adrian.  :o ;D ;D ;D  Btw, musta na chief... Bihira ka nalang sumama sa mga session, busy?
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: john5479 on Aug 25, 2005 at 11:04 AM
kimpao: pasaway off ko these past few months, ngayon sat-sun na uli kaya pwedeng sumama.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 25, 2005 at 12:49 PM
Whoahey!!!!!............ :o ;D ;D ;D   Was also able to find my dad's reel tape player yun tag 4 hrs bawat reel.  ;D ;D

Ibig mong sabihin may shoot-out ng tape reel - got one also!  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 25, 2005 at 12:57 PM
IMHO there are great recordings in cd/hdcd/xrcd and great recordings for LPs as well.

Yan ang audiophile - can track good music in any format!  8)


For me you can actually set-up an analog rig that is cheaper and more musically satisfying but more maintenance.

 ;)


In contrast you can set-up a digital rig for convenience but for it to be musically satisfying you may have to spend more.

 ???


for me yes...is it superior to an analog front end ? I won't go that far. O0

... or else you are courting another fire and brimstone  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: bruno on Aug 25, 2005 at 01:04 PM
Here's my take on the matter:

Digital = accuracy

Analog = naturalness

Accuracy is like high resolution digital photographs that captures images at bizzare level of details that we sometimes miss with our own naked eye.  What's there is there.

Naturalness naman is what our senses will likely perceive.  We might not perceive everything that's there but it may please our senses.  Very subjective ito dahil di naman parepareho ang pandinig ng tao.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: bruno on Aug 25, 2005 at 01:10 PM
i've had a tube CDP before with the notion that i can "capture" the sound of analog with a good CDP, de tubo pa at that...but still the sound of analog would haunt me (i just had a technics back then)...

Just a Technics?

Are you trying to imply that Technics is an inferior TT?

Magagalit ang mga UTOT and TAE nyan.  ;D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: bruno on Aug 25, 2005 at 01:13 PM
yun cassette sa analog yun kasali diba? meron pa ako player nun at mga metal typeII tapes.  ;D

Metal is Type IV.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Superman on Aug 25, 2005 at 01:25 PM
Just a Technics?

Are you trying to imply that Technics is an inferior TT?

Magagalit ang mga UTOT and TAE nyan.  ;D

bro, i didn't say technics is inferior...i stand corrected should have been "i was using a technics then"...it was my very reliable SL-1600...sorry for the wrong choice of words :D :D :D peace po tayo! :D :D :D

PS: UTOT and TAE member din naman ako eh :D :D :D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 25, 2005 at 02:47 PM
Metal is Type IV.

yan ng nakalagay eh, typeII hindi typeIV. baka fake yun meron ako.  ::)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 25, 2005 at 02:51 PM
chief, analog pa rin ang classification niyan.  i've seen somewhere from the other site (don't know which particular thread) that these reel tape recordings are the closest to the real thing. But come to think of it  ::)  directly diyan siya nire-record diba, siya yung master recording before transferring to other media.  >:D

Pre baka naman 8 mm na film reel ang sinasabi mo. yung kailangan magsabit kapa ng kumot as screen tapos manonood ka ng mga sinaunang tooooooooot.............. Censord...... Ahehhehee ;D

senyor, pang audio yun reel eh, hindi pang video.  ;D pero nakapanood pa ako nun ha, kaso lang walang sound.  ::)

kailangan muna marepair ito deck, ayaw kumagat nun capstan.  >:(

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: kimpao on Aug 25, 2005 at 03:01 PM
senyor, pang audio yun reel eh, hindi pang video.  ;D pero nakapanood pa ako nun ha, kaso lang walang sound.  ::)

kailangan muna marepair ito deck, ayaw kumagat nun capstan.  >:(



mukhang yan din problema ko kagabi, medyo malutong na yun rubber nya. meron pa kaya sa raon.
 
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 26, 2005 at 12:38 PM
magtitingin ako mamya pero kung wala, sabi nun neighbor ko pwede daw convert yun capstan nun sa mga luma betamax at vhs  ??? sana meron pa pre. hay buti na lang yun cassette deck ko buo pa.  ;D


Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 26, 2005 at 02:42 PM
Hi guys, I have been into mostly HT since I joined pdvd. So all I know is using a single digital coax from DVD to AVR. I have been enjoying audio lately, so I tried using alternative connections yesterday, so:

Tama ba? Analog is using 2 coax for the L&R of the CD/DVD player and connecting it to the L&R of the AVR? Better ba sound nito than using one digital coax? Or is this used for turntables and tubes lang?

Digital is using 1 coax or fiber optic cable from AVR to DVD/CD player?

What interconnect is best for the 2 coax (L&R) ? silver ? copper?

Can I use the silver interconnect as digital coax?

TIA :)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 26, 2005 at 03:12 PM
When you use a player's digital output, you let an external DAC (digital to analog converter) do the DAC (digital to analog conversion), in your case, that's your HK 630. If you use the analog output of a player (L/R), you are using the player's DAC to do the DAC.

So, if you have an expensive player and use digital connections, you're merely using the player as a transport. Sayang naman, except if you have a "better" external DAC than your player's.

Coax is different from standard RCA cables. I think you can use coax for analog outputs but you can't use standard RCA cables for digital connections. Not so sure though.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Jagner on Sep 03, 2005 at 11:35 AM
Hi,

Been reading this thread and trying to understand the arguments on which way to go, Analog or Digital?  I'm a music fan and I don't care much if the music is cut in vinyl or pressed in CD.  What matters is that I appreciate the music I listen to, IMHO.

On the question of which way to go, Analog or Digital:  Here’s a question: are we the ones to decide which way to go or the recording companies?  Sure, there are quite a number of turntables (exotic and entry level) that are coming out, but is there enough software to complement the growing need?  Will commercial record companies bring back their cutting machines and produce LPs along with CDs, knowing that recording companies earn more because the cost of production for CDs is cheaper than LPs?   If the argument is that  LPs are cheaper to produce, then why do these record companies continue to produce CDs, and are in fact, improving the medium (SACD, XRCD, XRCD2, HDCD, etc)?  Also, why is the production of LPs limited to Audiophile classics and not commercial recordings?  It’s all ‘bout profit taking, I guess. 

Digital is still in and may still be the future, and it’s not because of the music.

Just my opinion.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Sep 03, 2005 at 09:30 PM
Hi,

Been reading this thread and trying to understand the arguments on which way to go, Analog or Digital?  I'm a music fan and I don't care much if the music is cut in vinyl or pressed in CD.  What matters is that I appreciate the music I listen to, IMHO.

i think iceman already pointed out above the importance of knowing what type of music you listen to when choosing to go analog or not. for example, if someone likes pre-1990 music, it might make sense to invest in some analog gear. why? i have two answers in mind right now.

First, its doesn't seem easy to find pre-1990 titles in either CD or SACD format, whether from off- or on-line sources. Used LPs in Mint condition of pre-1990 titles are neither expensive nor that hard to find. lalo na ngayong madami nang nagbebenta ng LPs ulit.

Second, while this might not be true for new recordings, i find that most of the pre 1980 stuff released in CD format sound very inferior to their vinyl counterparts. Madalas manipis, matalas at nakakapagod pakinggan ang maraming old titles na released in CD format before 1990. Supposedly maraming flaws ang Digital to analog processing noon. Ngayon the technology is far better, that's why many new recordings do not sound that bad anymore. Nevertheless, the better sounding remastered material from the past are not very common and can still be quite expensive (e.g. XRCDs or SACDs).

On the question of which way to go, Analog or Digital:  Here’s a question: are we the ones to decide which way to go or the recording companies?  Sure, there are quite a number of turntables (exotic and entry level) that are coming out, but is there enough software to complement the growing need?  Will commercial record companies bring back their cutting machines and produce LPs along with CDs, knowing that recording companies earn more because the cost of production for CDs is cheaper than LPs?   If the argument is that  LPs are cheaper to produce, then why do these record companies continue to produce CDs, and are in fact, improving the medium (SACD, XRCD, XRCD2, HDCD, etc)?  Also, why is the production of LPs limited to Audiophile classics and not commercial recordings?  It’s all ‘bout profit taking, I guess. 

Digital is still in and may still be the future, and it’s not because of the music.

Just my opinion.

Cheers.


The supply side or the decisions made by the record companies on what format to support is not within the buyers' influence. However, on the demand side, baka meron tayong epekto. Bakit nga ba ang dami nang nagbebenta ng LPs
ulit ngayon dito sa manila? Bakit nga ba dumadami ang brands ng turntables, cartridges, phono stage, record cleaners ang pumapasok lately? Kasi medyo lumalaki ang merkado.

Hindi rin totoong audiophile material lang ang lumalabas. Si Norah Jones, Diana Krall, atbp. na may pop following din naman
ay lumalabas pa din sa plaka. Marami ding oldies na di naman audiophile classics ang available pa din sa LP. Palagay ko malaking market pa rin ito kung pag aaralan lang ng mga record companies nang mabuti.

doon na man sa gustong pumasok ng analog, word of warning: ingat lang. the analog path can be quite dangerous.
nandyan ang napakadaming maaaring maging kakabit na gastos: maporma and heavy duty turntables, low output MC cartridges, decent phono stage, cleaning accesories, anti-warp devices, precision power supply belt drive motors etc...naku talagang napaka delikado...so try to keep it simple at first, pa-attend-attend ng sessions, etc. para maalalayan ang gastos. 8) huwag na lang maghabol nang maghabol  ;D kung hindi, mapapasubo ka nang husto.


ngayon doon sa mga talagang ayaw mag-analog: di naman sila dapat pilitin. OK lang sa amin. At least makakabawas sa mga pacman o piranhang  kalaban sa plaka.  ;D ;D  ;)



siempre opinyon ko rin lang lahat ang mga ito.



 
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 06, 2005 at 12:39 PM
Hi,

Been reading this thread and trying to understand the arguments on which way to go, Analog or Digital?  I'm a music fan and I don't care much if the music is cut in vinyl or pressed in CD.  What matters is that I appreciate the music I listen to, IMHO.

Nothing could be more important in this hobby.  Whether digital or analog, it's the music that you find listening pleasure with that makes this hobby worth the investment you make.
 
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On the question of which way to go, Analog or Digital:  Here’s a question: are we the ones to decide which way to go or the recording companies?  Sure, there are quite a number of turntables (exotic and entry level) that are coming out, but is there enough software to complement the growing need?  Will commercial record companies bring back their cutting machines and produce LPs along with CDs, knowing that recording companies earn more because the cost of production for CDs is cheaper than LPs?   If the argument is that  LPs are cheaper to produce, then why do these record companies continue to produce CDs, and are in fact, improving the medium (SACD, XRCD, XRCD2, HDCD, etc)?  Also, why is the production of LPs limited to Audiophile classics and not commercial recordings?  It’s all ‘bout profit taking, I guess.
 

All business is about profit.   Newly pressed LPs are often limited to audiophile pressings, as this is the market those LP releases are targeting.  That's where the demand is, according to the labels making them. 

Vinyl LPs have technically gone the way of dinosours.  Except for these few audiophile LP pressing.  Manufacturers have early on realized the economic benefits of going CD over LP.  One thing for sure,  the LP vinyl is petrol-based.  And it doesn't even take one plus one to figure out why record makers would junk this media.  One tragic result of the oil crises in the mid 70s was the production of recycled vinyls whose impurities created so much objectional surface noise.  And the use of light and thin vinyls that acted like drum parchment on the turntable to capture microphonics to induce resonances.  Neither of these endeared the vinyl to audiophiles at a time when a new media was about to be revealed.

The cost of manufacturing a single CD has grown so small that record companies are really raking in the profits and howling a storm of protests anytime this is threatened, like napster and other online music exchanges.  Even home recordings never had it so cheap.  I remember the time using one-hour TDK metal cassette tapes that cost P250 each to copy and compile my favourties from LPs.  That was 20 years ago. Today, I can do the same on a CDR for P15.00, despite all the inflation and exchange rate skyrocketing since.


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Digital is still in and may still be the future, and it’s not because of the music.

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It is inescapable.  Thanks largely to the ever-increasing computational power in micro-chip developments, you get higher and higher digital quantization that may not be entirely necessary according to Nyquist, but gives comfort and confidence to audiophiles that the quantization process approaches analog resoltuion, without the problems of analog. 
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Narayan on Sep 06, 2005 at 02:24 PM
  Was also able to find my dad's reel tape player yun tag 4 hrs bawat reel.  ;D ;D

my first serious hifi source more than 2 decades ago was a sony reel to reel tape deck(pre-owned pa)  ;) cant complain about the sound :D
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 06, 2005 at 02:53 PM
my first serious hifi source more than 2 decades ago was a sony reel to reel tape deck(pre-owned pa)  ;) cant complain about the sound :D

Analog record masters were and are made on large format open reels.   Even those digital recordings are made on digital open reels.    Commercial stereo open reels from Teac, Marantz, Tandberg, etc, often have no peer in the audiophile playback field. Ever wondered why professional recordings are made on open reels?   They're simply the best.  Most have a 50khz bandwidth. If you think analog is better, it had to be open reels in general,  not turntables. Ofcourse, that's also brand dependent.   Only problem was, using them can be unwieldy and there were so few software titles in those formats.  Even within the open reel format, there were plenty of options, half-inch, quarter-inch,  1-inch.  And they're not interchangeable.  Because of this, they lost the home market to cassettes and then to VCRs and CDRs.  Just a thought. 
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: edboy7 on Sep 06, 2005 at 04:03 PM
and 2 inchers too sir AV :) roamed around here @ the office and found this one....Our Studer A800 MKIII 24 track recorder :)  ULTIMATE ANALOG  EXPERIENCE YATA TO ;D sadly, we never played it  wala kasing avaialble na tape :-\
(http://www.proaudioeurope.com/images/products/multitracks/studer/studer_a800_front.jpg)

Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 06, 2005 at 04:12 PM
Wow, looks like a studio-grade museum piece of an open reel, edboy.   ;D  There may be some software titles available on the net that you can check.  I distinctly recall seeing a website offering preowned 1/2 inch and 1" Ampex tapes with recorded Classics straight from the master reels.  Ranging from $50 to $300.  Just not so sure about 2" formats.   
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Sep 06, 2005 at 06:06 PM
nice pic edboy. the only open reel player brand i've seen played is revox.

btw, i forgot to answer the original question asked at the beginning of this thread.

i sold my cdp about 1 1/2 years ago and was purely into vinyl for more than a year.
i recently got a good deal on a tube non-oversampling DA converter for
my CDs with my pioneer dvd player serving as transport. so i'm using both media.

80%/20% i listen in favor of my LP records.

as for digital becoming the format of the future. yes, i agree. 

but i bet brand new vinyl and turntableswill still be produced for a good 15 years more.
that's still a lot of time to listen.  ;D

which leads me to quote my favorite economist: J.M. Keynes who
is famous for saying : "In the long run, we're all dead" - .

by the year 2040, my ears will no longer be as critical as they are today. so i'd
rather enjoy records in the next decade or so.



Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Garp on Sep 07, 2005 at 02:38 PM
I have both. I find both have their merits so I guess that makes me an ANAL fan. Uggh
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: shuttertrigger on Dec 05, 2005 at 02:30 PM
Pareho rin para sa akin..

pero sabi ng tatay at nanay ko, mas gusto raw nila yung plaka.. bakit kaya?  ::)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Aug 16, 2006 at 10:36 PM
I have a few questions...

Let's say you have a Harman Kardon 335 AVR and the accompanying 5.1 speakers e.g.( Monitor Audio)

I want to play movies (HT) - i use the existing setup of 5.1.

But what if I want to play stereo sound / music e.g. (audio cd's) - what do i use..how would i setup stereo sound using the existing equipment?
  1. do i need additional amps? Forgive my ignorance but I just want clarifications and I want to learn.
  2. Do i need to buy vinyl LP's or any other equipment?

If you can give me some insights or links to read on, i would appreciate it.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: s2kov on Aug 16, 2006 at 10:41 PM
just set the AVR to stereo mode and select CD input if you connect you're cdp to CD input ! ;)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: bayonic on Aug 16, 2006 at 11:25 PM
I'm toying with the idea of getting a wireless Digital Music Server with Multi-Room , Multi-Zone , Internet Radio streaming functions ...

it's probably a trade-off between the the quality of the SOUND and the ease of accessing the MUSIC.

at any rate , mas masarap pa rin mamangka sa dalawang ilog ...
so pag sinisipag at napagtripan , ilalabas na ang mga plaka
at kung medyo busy at tinatamad , mamimili nalang ng Playlists.

and so my question is :
what is the best way to encode those precious vinyl tracks to lossless audio formats ???


Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Aug 17, 2006 at 08:04 PM
(http://www.daemongod.com/dvd.jpg)

Let's take the picture as a clear example and let's say it is connected with a receiver

5.1. CH output there is analog right. So it means that the signals are passed to the dvd player and straight to the speaker right? It essentially uses the DAC of the player.  This is true for CD players (stereo sound) as well right?


Digital Out means that the signals are processed by the DAC of the receiver.

Clarifications are appreciated
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: Signal2Noise on Feb 11, 2007 at 06:35 AM
Mine is Digital in format but Analogue in sound.

A 24bit hdcd played on a tube amp will be excellent for me. 8)
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: accastil on Feb 14, 2007 at 04:48 PM
Hi,

Been reading this thread and trying to understand the arguments on which way to go, Analog or Digital?  I'm a music fan and I don't care much if the music is cut in vinyl or pressed in CD.  What matters is that I appreciate the music I listen to, IMHO.

On the question of which way to go, Analog or Digital:  Here’s a question: are we the ones to decide which way to go or the recording companies?  Sure, there are quite a number of turntables (exotic and entry level) that are coming out, but is there enough software to complement the growing need?  Will commercial record companies bring back their cutting machines and produce LPs along with CDs, knowing that recording companies earn more because the cost of production for CDs is cheaper than LPs?   If the argument is that  LPs are cheaper to produce, then why do these record companies continue to produce CDs, and are in fact, improving the medium (SACD, XRCD, XRCD2, HDCD, etc)?  Also, why is the production of LPs limited to Audiophile classics and not commercial recordings?  It’s all ‘bout profit taking, I guess. 

Digital is still in and may still be the future, and it’s not because of the music.

Just my opinion.

Cheers.

enjoy both worlds. for people with very discerning ears, digital may not be enough though.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: rascal101 on Feb 15, 2007 at 02:20 PM
Having heard both analog and digital and owning analog gear, IMHO I do not believe that one can say for certainty that the analog path (TT) is the best path. IMHO also, I do not believe going analog means that you have a discerning ear. This hobby is quite subjective and you may be in for a surprise on some other set-up.
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: ATJr. on Feb 15, 2007 at 04:36 PM
(http://www.daemongod.com/dvd.jpg)

Let's take the picture as a clear example and let's say it is connected with a receiver

5.1. CH output there is analog right. So it means that the signals are passed to the dvd player and straight to the speaker right? It essentially uses the DAC of the player.  This is true for CD players (stereo sound) as well right?


Digital Out means that the signals are processed by the DAC of the receiver.

Clarifications are appreciated

if that is the rear of the dvd player i would say you have two sets of analogue out, one is a stereo out(2sets) and the one on the left is for the 5.1 system. i do not know that you can connect that to speakers directly. you have to have a separate ampli for those...
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: odyopayl on Feb 16, 2007 at 05:04 PM
Which way to go, Analog or Digital?

Time to try Analog
Title: Re: Which way to go, analog or digital?
Post by: aHobbit on May 22, 2007 at 01:04 PM
Digital is hard to beat if the quest is for a "clean" sound.  However, to capture that old feeling, or that particular sound/time when the material was recorded, analog is it.

Yeah ... like how my grandfathers feel whenever those popping and warping sound blend with the music, enjoying clear soundstage on a mono vynil, and that particular sound of limited bandwidth being stretched out heroically by those TT RIAA pre-amps ... I experienced that including the tedious job of vynil cleaning, mounting, and care for expensive stylus ... some materials I enjoyed in TT because they are not in CD  >:( (how I wish they will release the equivalent so I can enjoy a cleaner & maintenance-friendly one  ;D)