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Entertainment => Film & TV Talk => Pinoy Entertainment => Topic started by: Excalibur on Feb 04, 2006 at 11:29 AM
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This is sad.
Whether kapamilya or kapuso,
I believe nobody wanted this to happen. :(
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Care to share some info as to what happened? Thanks.
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79 pople persihed, let us pray for the repose of their soul. :'(
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Care to share some info as to what happened? Thanks.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/03/world/main1281367.shtml?CMP=OTC-RSSFeed&source=RSS&attr=HOME_1281367
http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=2&story_id=65112
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Sad news for those people who perished due to stampede just to get inside the ULTRA. May their souls rest in peace.
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Yesterday, as I was watching Willie Revillame's tearful apology to the obviously dense crowd at the ULTRA, I was hoping that someone was taping it and would post it on YouTube. Somebody did, and it may be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/w/Wowowee?v=gmG87OUl1sA&search=wowowee
Unbelievable.
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Yesterday, as I was watching Willie Revillame's tearful apology to the obviously dense crowd at the ULTRA, I was hoping that someone was taping it and would post it on YouTube. Somebody did, and it may be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/w/Wowowee?v=gmG87OUl1sA&search=wowowee
Unbelievable.
sir pano ko to mapapanood ...ayaw mag play!!
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there is a thing called criminal negligence because of lack of skill,foresight.
there is also command responsibility and i don't believe in the crap called nobody wanted this to happen because they or any normal person with good intentions would have anticipated and made some contingencies before anything happens.it was an accident waiting to happen and it did.in law,the question is,there is criminal negligence if it can be prevented,no actions were taken.
i will also add to this the usual "power-tripping" of security guards and production assistants of tv networks,they have blood on their hands.no rationalizing will ever explain the fact that 73-79 poor filipinos dreams were crushed.as in literally crushed.mga middle-aged woman pa naman karamihan.
i cry justice for these poor fellows,but ithe story would be that given their respective family's situation,its a given that magiging utang na loob pa nila sa abs-cbn na mabayaran sila.it is their right ot ask for compensation and asan na ang mga rally ng rally na mga komunista and politicians/lawyers,eto na ang pagkakataong tunay na makatulong para makapagsampa ng class suit and to ask for other indemnities!
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I've seen these kinds of security and I think that they were power-trippin' again like they how own the craping place, acting like ass-holes instead of being nice like saying "Pakiramay lang po" thay are always saying "ALIS DIYAN!!!" or other crap. I wish the victims well and hope for the best.
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kahapon pa ko nakatutok(sa ABS-CBN)all day long and now sa "d buzz",isa lang ang masasabi ko,HUSTISYA!no amount of monetary help can compensate for lives lost! :'(
also,parang napaka arrogant nina Julius Babao and Karen Davila kahapon(more kay Babao) :(
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there is also command responsibility and i don't believe in the crap called nobody wanted this to happen because they or any normal person with good intentions would have anticipated and made some contingencies before anything happens.it was an accident waiting to happen and it did.in law,the question is,there is criminal negligence if it can be prevented,no actions were taken.
Amen to that. I agree 100% with Richard Gordon when he said: "If you predict that there's going to be a huge crowd, you should be ready with ambulances and communications. You should plan for the worst. We have a lot of people who wanted to help but could not get in immediately."
ABS-CBN is lucky that we're not litigious society like the U.S. If anything like this happened in the U.S., the entire thing will cost them hundreds of millions of dollars.
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maybe an example should be made out of them. lagi na lang ganyan. they should not get away with this. pag nakalimutan ng tao wala na naman yan. lusot na naman sila. they should take resonsibility for their action and no amount of excuses will let them off the hook. all of these people involved in that undertaking are culpable for what happened. they should be held liable. >:(
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sir pano ko to mapapanood ...ayaw mag play!!
It's supposed to download automatically and start playing at the same time. Although because of the file size, it takes a while for the downloading to complete. I sometimes press the play button at the lower left hand corner of the screen to pause the video, which does not affect the download. After the download is completed, unpause the video and it should play without interruption.
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It's supposed to download automatically and start playing at the same time. Although because of the file size, it takes a while for the downloading to complete. I sometimes press the play button at the lower left hand corner of the screen to pause the video, which does not affect the download. After the download is completed, unpause the video and it should play without interruption.
thanks sir!!nakuha ko na....i think willie is serious but apology does not mean that your off the hook :(.......i agree with everyone here in regards to justice for these people.....and conviction to that F**KNG ID*OT security head!!! >:(
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there is a thing called criminal negligence because of lack of skill,foresight.
there is also command responsibility and i don't believe in the crap called nobody wanted this to happen because they or any normal person with good intentions would have anticipated and made some contingencies before anything happens.it was an accident waiting to happen and it did.in law,the question is,there is criminal negligence if it can be prevented,no actions were taken.
i agree that negligence and lack of foresight seemed evident.
but you also have to imagine that abs (nor anybody) never wanted people to die.
people dying maybe the result of negligence or lack of foresight,
but they are not the same thing. the cause is not the effect.
i agree with you with the showing of command responsibility 100%.
it's the right thing to do for abs.
i will also add to this the usual "power-tripping" of security guards and production assistants of tv networks,they have blood on their hands.no rationalizing will ever explain the fact that 73-79 poor filipinos dreams were crushed.as in literally crushed.mga middle-aged woman pa naman karamihan.
yes, no explanation nor rationalization will make up for the deaths of those who were crushed.
we just hope that by investigating, we could learn something from it.
and hope that with the findings, it wouldn't happen again.
as to the behavior of the abs people towards the tragedy...
well, the cameras should speak for itself ;)
by the way, the head of the abs news department gave a message at the anc
assuring the viewers that they will remain professional and objective.
it's up to us if we will believe her or not :D
i cry justice for these poor fellows,but ithe story would be that given their respective family's situation,its a given that magiging utang na loob pa nila sa abs-cbn na mabayaran sila.it is their right ot ask for compensation and asan na ang mga rally ng rally na mga komunista and politicians/lawyers,eto na ang pagkakataong tunay na makatulong para makapagsampa ng class suit and to ask for other indemnities!
yes, i agree.
let justice be served through the findings from the investigation.
i just hope that the findings would not be tainted with you-know-what...
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A general thread for your thoughts on the Ultra stampede, it's underlying causes and rammifications, etc.
(to differ from the Let's pray for ULTRA stampede victims... thread)
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I must say, i am most disgusted with ABS-CBN and their overall attitude in handling the crisis. Sure, it's laudable that they have put their charitable arms in full-effect, and are willing to shoulder all expenses of victims, but their corporate ethics and morality, or the lack of it, is already beginning to reek.
First, there's this clown Willie Revillame who tries too hard to cry and exaggerate how devastated he is. he probably wishes he was sacked back when he was reprimanded by the MTRCB so he wouldn't be in the middle of this issue. but that's my personal opinion.
Then there's ABS-CBN's news coverage; simultaneously it's propaganda arm. I just don't get where they, which will most probably be held liable for the incident, draw the balls to exploit the scenes of tragedy for their own gain. ANC cameramen frequently focused on crying victims' families as they identify the bodies of the dead. What i found most disgusting was that ANC even bothered to produce a music video montage of the tragedy!!! They spliced images of the dead and wounded with scenes of how the corporation is helping out. It was set to inspiring music, no more than 12 hours after the incident!!! i could not help but perceive that they were already trying to contain the fallout from their viewers at that early stage.
Another disgusting episode occured inside the Ultra, when revillame et al were delivering their speeches. It was bad enough that the audience had the nerve to clap and cheer, even chant "Wowowee! Wowowee!" repeatedly, in the midst of this kind of crisis. What's worse is that the stagehands were EGGING THEM TO CLAP ON! 'twas as if the show was still on. For goodness' sake, i think if the show's production had an applause light-up sign in the venue, i think they would have used it to no end. Noli de Castro was already trying to hush the crowd but to no avail. In the end, revillame and santos-concio even waved to the crowd like it was some popularity contest! how vile.
Sadly, for this particular crisis, the sympathy i extend to the audience en masse is only out of pity. It was one thing to put your hopes and dreams on a game show. Holier than thou attitude aside, I can never empathize with the majority who escaped the stampede unscathed, couldn't care less about the dead and were still hoping that the show would go on.
It was just blood-curdling to see the bystanders linger around outside and smile and wave madly when the camera panned toward them, even if they were right beside the dead bodies. It was also chilling to hear the show's production manager testify that when she exited the venue, people, who were tip-toeing their way across the sea of dead bodies, had only one question... "Saan ba makakakuha ng ticket?"
I agree that this is a wake-up call to the government, as well as to the rest of us Filipinos, rich and poor. But to say that this is a call to address our country's poverty is rather short-sighted. I believe this is a call to address the moral crisis, as the CBCP put it, in society today; for this not only destroys the body, it corrupts the soul as well.
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i saw their episodes this weekend and got so disgusted to hear their propaganda! tsk tsk >:(
- they had a video of the tragedy w/ music as wrath mentioned. every live show seen had the "kapamilya" tag line blah blah my goodness!
- mr. revillame trying to cry on every live show, pati na yung 3 co hosts nyang tsix!!!
- there was a televised mass yesterday showing who's who from that chanel (kunwari everyone's mourning). i've got nothing against it but the intention to show it in public could have been scrapped!
haay naku! >:( 8)
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Stampede is definitely a result of war of two channels (ABS-CBN2 and GMA7) and Filipino's lack of discipline!!! Wag isisi sa iisang company lang!!!. :(
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i saw their episodes this weekend and got so disgusted to hear their propaganda! tsk tsk >:(
- they had a video of the tragedy w/ music as wrath mentioned. every live show seen had the "kapamilya" tag line blah blah my goodness!
- mr. revillame trying to cry on every live show, pati na yung 3 co hosts nyang tsix!!!
- there was a televised mass yesterday showing who's who from that chanel (kunwari everyone's mourning). i've got nothing against it but the intention to show it in public could have been scrapped!
haay naku! >:( 8)
I can almost see now the families of those who died in the stampede being given cheques in an episode of Wowowee by ABS-CBN executives and Product Advertisers' representatives!
Gagamitin na naman sila!
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About the network wars...
GMA-7 was the only other TV station to give full coverage to this incident. Their reporters really emphasized with their interviews on people disgusted with ABS-CBN. They showed footages of the corpses, injured people and repeated it again and again and again. One of their reporters even commented that this incident was one of the worst tragedies in modern Philippine history. GMA-7's intention was obvious, they are trying to give their rival a real shot of bad publicity as long as possible. To cap all these ironies, they stopped the coverage to air Wowowee's rival show..."Eat Bulaga!". Vic and Joey reportedly spent a few minutes to pray for the victims, but were not good in hiding their smirks during the course of the show as they felt they have put away the show's biggest threat...Willie and Wowowee.
Their Saturday night GMA FLASH REPORT was surprisingly long enough to give injustice to the word "flash". Repeatedly showing footages of the victims and their weeping families, once again focusing on people who were saying that they would never go to that noontime show in their lifetime and victims lashing out on ABS-CBN's irresponsibility. Even the staff at Jessica Soho's show did a astonishingly fabulous job, possibly with the order of GMA management, as they instantly came up with a segment on the Ultra stampede. These segments usually take days to produce.
Certainly, GMA-7's actions were as indigistible like the stories of people who asked for raffle tickets right before stepping on corpses. Has the rival for network dominance gone this low? I hope they won't go low as throwing out a party for ensuring their "No. 1 Kapuso" title for years to come.
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The issue here is no longer whether or not you are a "kapamilya" or a "kapuso." What ABS-CBN doing, like shouldering all the medical, burial and other incidental expenses, is not i think something that the law required them to do in the first place, but rather a gesture and a showing that somehow the company cares, and seeing them and all their people condole with the affected families is indeed a gesture worthy of appreciation. Never mind if what theyre doing to at least alleviate the predicament of the affected, their faces are shown on TV or their names mentioned on radio and even in newspapers. Whats the problem on that in the first place? The company's business is media ... and many people also wants to know what they are doing, including me of course.
If youre in the place of the company, I am very sure many of us, but not all, would do that too and i know that when we do and act on that, at that stage of emotional level we will not be thinking about ratings or how our popularity would rise above other companies -- di ba?
I agree with what Senator Gordon is saying, nobody wants and nobody in this world has always been ready to cope disaster. just my thoughts.
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OT: I think there are 3 threads already on this topic... can the Mod combine all three?
TIA
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OT: I think there are 3 threads already on this topic... can the Mod combine all three?
I agree.
But the other thread said "Let's pray for the ULTRA stampede victims"....hindi yata marunong magdasal yung mga nagpost ng comments and opinions doon. ??? ??? ???
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I forgot to tell -- my officemate's mother was one of those in that incident. Luckily she was able to extricate herself away from that rushing crowd, seconds before the gate collapsed. She also fell but luckily a man picked her up. She only suffered minor injuries.
She said that they heard from the crowd mentioned "me bomba yata," then somebody also shouted, "me bomba daw" that contributed so much to the confusion and the rush of people towards the gate area.
According to my office mate, her mother never had the feeling to blame anyone.
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The tragic fate of 74 fans of Wowowee who died at the gates of ULTRA opens a lot of windows for talk. Have we been -- as sociologist Neil Postman said -- Entertaining ourselves to death?
Is it OK to lure the poor with prizes and millions of pesos for the sake of TV ratings?
Is ABS-CBN ultimately liable? Or are the poor fans to be blamed for being undisciplined?
Please share your thoughts on the matter.[/b][/size] :'(
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Both Abs-Cbn & Ultra are liable for this tragedy. The organizers should have given the tickets advance in anticipation for this big event. This is SOP during Student Canteen days and other tv shows wherein a big crowd is expected to arrive.
The people who troop there, you can't exactly blame them. They just want to win and be entertained. I just went to Cinema One's office this morning and the ambience at Abs was so gloomy and sad.
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I do not doubt that the people at ABS sincerely regret the incident, and desire to offer as much assistance as possible to help the bereaved and injured. At the same time, I am certain that their altrustic acts are also guided by the concern that if the bereaved and injured sue, they may stand to lose hundreds of millions of pesos, as well as further damage to their corporate goodwill. One cannot blame ABS for going into damage control mode. At the same time, one cannot coerce the victims in suing ABS if they feel appeased by the network's treatment of them after the incident.
As to criminal liability, I'll be surprised if culpability extends beyond the head of ABS security and his underlings. At most perhaps, the executive directly supervising Wowowee. One cannot also discount the political color involved. While it seems, based on press tsimis, that this administration is out to get the Lopezes, it also happens that the Vice-President's wife is still with ABS, and has a hand either with Wowowee or Willie Revillame's career.
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It is regretable that something like this happened but as this is the Philippines it should not be that surprising. What ABS-CBN has been doing for the past few days is trying to minimize their legal liabilities and negative impact on their image. ABS-CBN's insurance will probably be used in part to finance the medical & funeral bills they are required to cover by law. Some may see this as gross exploitation but the various TV specials on this stamped is ABS-CBN's way of showing their sadness of the event after all they're an entertainment company. Some victims & their families wont accept the initial offer and may hold out for a better one to come around or even try to sue ABS-CBN for more. I hope litigation against ABS-CBN will be such that it will serve as a big enough deterent to organizers of big events to make them take health and safety of their audience a top priority no matter the condition.
In the govt side I hope they will not merely sweep this under the rug and try to forget about this. I hope there will be opportunistic legistlators who will draft laws that will take crowd safety more seriously. So far the laws concerning the public's safety in large events is inadequate to say the least.
For the many poor families who went to watch Wowowee this may be the only way they can get themselves out of poverty. This may sound a bit too materialistic but look at how the crowd reacted in spite of the tragedy when the camera focused on them. Either they dont care or dont know.
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What has been bugging me about this is that Gabby Lopez announced that ABS-CBN Foundation will shoulder all the medical and burial expenses of the victims. Why would the non-profit arm shoulder the expenses? First of all, this will be a big tax break for them, secondly, the foundation sources its funds partly from donations from third parties like other corporations and well-meaning individuals. This only means that other people's money would be used to pay the expenses of the victims, when the accident happened within the jurisdiction of the broadcasting arm.
It would have been different if Lopez said that the broadcasting arm will shoulder all the expenses but it will be dispensed by the non-profit arm.
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Goodness! You are right indie boi! ABS CBN Foundation is supposed to fund initiatives like the Bantay Bata, Bahay Kalinga, Knowledge Channel, etc... Now they are going to use foundation funds donated by 3rd parties to pay for the liabilities brought about by the stampede! That stinks! Someone should raise this publicly!
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What has been bugging me about this is that Gabby Lopez announced that ABS-CBN Foundation will shoulder all the medical and burial expenses of the victims. Why would the non-profit arm shoulder the expenses? First of all, this will be a big tax break for them, secondly, the foundation sources its funds partly from donations from third parties like other corporations and well-meaning individuals. This only means that other people's money would be used to pay the expenses of the victims, when the accident happened within the jurisdiction of the broadcasting arm.
Oh wow, that is crass. If the registered corporate purposes of ABS-CBN Foundation are limited to shouldering particularly named programs such as Bantay Bata, and not extraneous charitable initiatives, then the Foundation would not be allowed to release funds for those other purposes. I guess though that there would be an all-inclusive clause that would justify the Foundation in releasing funds for the stampede victims. Still, even if the move is legally justifiable, it does not make it morally correct.
However, if the donors to the Foundation specifically intended their contributions to go to particular programs, then I think their intentions should be respected, legalities aside.
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but we cannot also discount the possibility that the funds to be set aside by the Foundation are ultimately sourced from ABS itself. Presumably, the largest donor to the Foundation is also ABS, so it may be less objectionable if it is those funds, and not those from private donors, which are used to remunerate the victims. Still, it would be a shame that those worthwhile initiatives of the network would be deprived of funding in the process.
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What has been bugging me about this is that Gabby Lopez announced that ABS-CBN Foundation will shoulder all the medical and burial expenses of the victims. Why would the non-profit arm shoulder the expenses? First of all, this will be a big tax break for them, secondly, the foundation sources its funds partly from donations from third parties like other corporations and well-meaning individuals. This only means that other people's money would be used to pay the expenses of the victims, when the accident happened within the jurisdiction of the broadcasting arm.
It would have been different if Lopez said that the broadcasting arm will shoulder all the expenses but it will be dispensed by the non-profit arm.
one more thing, the lopezes own the lot where medical city was built. according to people from the hospital, abs need not pay the bills accumulated by the patients...
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randy david had said it in an interview, "mass media should be party be blame for what had happened. they have been exploiting the situation of the people."
i believe it, too! wowowee may have all the good intentions in mind i.e. helping to "alleviate" the conditions of the poor but exploitation is definitely on the other other side of the coin. they have overlooked that part.
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However, if the donors to the Foundation specifically intended their contributions to go to particular programs, then I think their intentions should be respected, legalities aside.
Our company recently donated P100,000 plus a few PCs to the ABS CBN Foundation for something on the Knowledge Channel... there was even a signing and turn over ceremony at Benpres covering the event...
hmm... my bosses would be interested in this piece of info...
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For me its totally alright if the idea to sue the company for its alleged negligence comes directly from the victims. What i dont like to see is other people's temerity in pushing hard and convincing families of these victims to explore chance to get bigger money from the company by urging them to file class suit.
The way I am seeing the situation, even the families of victims dont have that degree of ill-feelings against the company, the show, or even against willie revillame. It seems that only the "mirons" so to speak, are the ones angry against said company, the show and to other people of that show - hiding in the guise of trying to fight for the rights of these victims.
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What has been bugging me about this is that Gabby Lopez announced that ABS-CBN Foundation will shoulder all the medical and burial expenses of the victims. Why would the non-profit arm shoulder the expenses? First of all, this will be a big tax break for them, secondly, the foundation sources its funds partly from donations from third parties like other corporations and well-meaning individuals. This only means that other people's money would be used to pay the expenses of the victims, when the accident happened within the jurisdiction of the broadcasting arm.
It would have been different if Lopez said that the broadcasting arm will shoulder all the expenses but it will be dispensed by the non-profit arm.
my thoughts exactly. It's a subtle way of distancing the corporation from the tragedy. With the foundation, they could make it appear that they are "helping" the victims instead of "answering" for their actions.
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For me its totally alright if the idea to sue the company for its alleged negligence comes directly from the victims. What i dont like to see is other people's temerity in pushing hard and convincing families of these victims to explore chance to get bigger money from the company by urging them to file class suit.
The way I am seeing the situation, even the families of victims dont have that degree of ill-feelings against the company, the show, or even against willie revillame. It seems that only the "mirons" so to speak, are the ones angry against said company, the show and to other people of that show - hiding in the guise of trying to fight for the rights of these victims.
I agree that victims' families should not be compelled to sue anyone to possibly cash in on the incident. Then again, the government doesn't need their consent to file civil and criminal charges against the ones responsible. The government owes it to the entire country to find out who is culpable in order to mete justice where it is due, and avoid such incidents from occuring again.
Plus, seeing how malignantly fanatic the audience was (in general) over the show, it would be best for all of us to let a third-party entity handle the matter.
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Reposting from the other thread:
My observations:
1. Our church use to spend our anniversary at the ULTRA and while the organizers of our annviersary take pains to anticipate any untoward incidents. I notice that some of the doors inside the ULTRA is locked via chains! While it makes movement smooth I cringe on my seat thinking of worst case scenarios if ever a fire breaks out, which might lead to a similar accident. Though this does not have any bearing on the ABSCBN accident since it happened on the outside.
2. I watch both noon time shows as EAT Bulaga is our client in the rental business, we make sure we "remind" them to use us on their special events. There is one glaring difference between the two in terms of audience participation. In EAT Bulaga, they do not have any contest that involve the studio audience. They have recognize a long time ago that the TV audience is their bread and butter, thus most of their contests involve TXTing or calling. While there are many segments in Wowowee that involves the live audience - from their joke,joke which gives the audience anywhere from $10, $20, P500 etc to the other segments where they are pitted against each other. Thus I consider the Eat Bulaga audience as a true gauge of its popularity, as these people do not expect any "jackpot" or "doleouts"
The quest for No. 1 rating gone overboard. If you remember, previously ABSCBN tried to out-"Star" GMA7 by putting as many stars as possible in their noontime show just to achieve No. 1 status. And they did. For a while. But at what costs. When the last show was cancelled (poor Arnel), Joey de Leon mentioned offhand and in an unguarded moment "Mahina sila eh, hindi naman kailangan mag-no. 1 para kumita"
I thought they heard it right when they started Wowowee, 1 main expensive, box office draw and 3 newbies. The tables suddenly turned, suddenly GMA7's EAT Bulaga became the more expensive show to produce what with Vic and Joey + Anjo, Janno And Michael V. The rest being also rans (but they are the ones carrying the show, don't you agree?).
All of a sudden they began going for the No. 1 again. Producing crowds in the live audience to show that they are SRO. My thinking is that they wanted to out-do the anniversary of EB.
3. Having said that, this does not mean that I believe they wanted this to happen. NO ONE wanted this to happen, but being more realistic and more circumspect in their strategies could have prevented the tragedy.
4. This is both a PR and financial disaster for ABSCBN. Maybe to the tune of hundreds of millions of pesos. Sadly, it won't all go to the victims but to the management of the problem.
As expected, No. 4 is now a reality.
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my thoughts exactly. It's a subtle way of distancing the corporation from the tragedy. With the foundation, they could make it appear that they are "helping" the victims instead of "answering" for their actions.
I wouldn't be too surprised if they sever ties with AVP of Security Luspo and the show's production manager to further distance themselves from the tragedy.
Speaking of distancing, after watching the news last night, i just couldn't help wonder kung gaano talaga kakapal ang mukha ng ABS-CBN to be airing "heroism in the midst of tragedy" segments as frequent as they present the horrid truths of the incident.
It's one thing for another network to portray these stories (but even that can be done bad taste), or if the tragedy in question is natural, but for the news arm of the corporation who is most probably culpable to run these is just in very bad taste. It's like they had nothing to do with the incident!
Don't they get it that if they had done their job, their would be no need to look at the "silver lining" because there would have been no storm?
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From what I've been hearing Gabby Lopez was incensed over the way Luspo handled the press conference and is itching to let him go. But I don't think this will happen immediately. If he fires Luspo now he would just be telling the public that the error was entirely ABS-CBN's. If the crisis management team does their work they'd wait until the heat dies down before he is quietly let go.
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From what I've been hearing Gabby Lopez was incensed over the way Luspo handled the press conference and is itching to let him go. But I don't think this will happen immediately. If he fires Luspo now he would just be telling the public that the error was entirely ABS-CBN's. If the crisis management team does their work they'd wait until the heat dies down before he is quietly let go.
I think he should be one of the people to be blamed. I saw parts of the investigation on ANC last sunday, and I have to admit, the head of security was nuts. Hypocrite! Tapos he's playing the blame game. It's nuts! Then the management of the station took some five hours before cancelling the show! That's like thirty minutes before the show starts! Why? Why did it took that long of a time before realizing that dozens of people are already dead and that going on with the show is going to be insensitive?
But clearly, ABS-CBN and PSC is not the only ones to blame. And I do not think it is the Network wars (Give it a break. The networks already know that advertisers has choices now, unlike before.). In a larger sense, it is the indirect fault of the government. These people wanted money -- fast. Some need money for healthcare. Some to survive, and maybe put up a small business. And people in the upper tier of the society keep on sucking the already scarce resources of our country. So, in a sense all the political bickering does cause lives. It wasn't just as evident as what happened here. This incident, therefore, exposed the weaknesses of the whole spectrum.
So, the event organizers is clearly to blame, but in order to prevent this from ever happening again (Meaning, stampedes caused by game shows and whatnot. I first heard it on CNN, and I was really surprised when I found out it was because of "Wowowwee" -- indignifying in a way, but more unfortunate nonetheless.), we must see the big picture. But what about the show? I really do not know if it is wise to continue on, at least for another year. It will be discomforting to remember this incident every single anniversary. I even have a re-written theme song on my mind. But I won't be sharing it, though, as it even disgusts me. Talk about a ridiculous way to die.
So, I think we should just pray for the souls of the departed, so that they won't die in vain, and to remind us of what is our real situation.
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Di kasi talaga tayo magaling sa "Capacity Planning". Whether for family, event or infrastructures. Yung mga design or preparations ay laging may bottleneck.
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Di kasi talaga tayo magaling sa "Capacity Planning". Whether for family, event or infrastructures. Yung mga design or preparations ay laging may bottleneck.
Siguro kung si Bayani Fernando ang in-charge sa crowd control ng Wowowee, gumawa na yun ng pedestrian u-turn slots sa Ultra, pangontra sa bottleneck. hehehe.
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read the editorial of PDI today...there was one saying quoted there...."give a man a fish..and he will live for a day, teach a man to fish, and he will live forever". i really think the organizers and the government are in some degree liable to what happened there. The organizers for "inviting" people there, giving hope to those people via a game of chance..fast buck processes. and the government for not giving enough livelihood projects and creating employment. People must be thought that to escape poverty, the way is through the old basic hardworkand patience route, not fast buck game of chances. Just give them the opportunity man.
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I think in deconstructing this incident per se, we may have to discount the reasons why the people assembled there. All that matters is that they were there and they wanted to get in because they were invited. A crowd of 30,000 can assemble anytime anywhere for any given reason, and regardless of their demographic profile, a tragedy like this can still occur, and can be prevented through adequate logistical management.
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From what I've been hearing Gabby Lopez was incensed over the way Luspo handled the press conference and is itching to let him go. But I don't think this will happen immediately. If he fires Luspo now he would just be telling the public that the error was entirely ABS-CBN's. If the crisis management team does their work they'd wait until the heat dies down before he is quietly let go.
He should be! As I posted in a related thread, Luspo kept giving conflicting information. The production person then gave further information that also contradicted what Luspo had said. Then here's Mayor Eusebio saying that ABS CBN never coordinated with them... wake up old man! Tens of thousands of people were camped at a major sight inside your city which had affected traffic for several days before the event and you were waiting for ABS CBN to coordinate with you? If you or your people knew your jobs, you should've already stepped in and taken command of the situation as early as Thursday or at the very least contacted ABS and waved red flags already!
I also find it amusingly disturbing that everytime he stood in front of a camera, Willie Revillame would shed (or try hard to shed) tears even until his interviews late into the night of Saturday already. I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he cried during the announcement but c'mon! Also, on the noontime show on Sunday... Zsa Zsa Padilla was singing and crying at the same time! C'mon now! Then later in the show after the so called tribute ang saya saya na nila!
Anyway, that's me ranting again. Well, the ULTRA Fact Finding Team already aired their findings but all were recommendations for prevention of similar tragedies... nothing on liability... it's up to the DOJ daw to decide that...
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I got a brother in law who is a member of a security force of a downtown Las Vegas Hotel. According to him whenever a BLACK group holds a party in the hotel, the security force are always doubled the number of would be attendees. Such is not done when a WHITE group holds a similar party. The blacks are generally known for their ill manner whenever they are drunk and in a group.
The point here, in the planning stage of the Wowowee show the matter that was left out, i think, may have been the issue on the kind and character of people who were supposed to attend the show. This will be first time and no historical record can warn the organizers thay they have to consider this issue in their plan, so that they have to field a thousand security force more. Pinoys are not generally known to be what you are thinking now -- "magugulo, walang disiplina, makasarili. etc. "
The number of security force in the area may be ample and even more than enough for a disciplined group of 50 thousands, but i tell you, a thousand may not even be enough to guard just an unruly two folds of that number.
Maybe the organizers' negligence can be actually traced on its inability or its being not keen enough to detect that "Pinoys" now have become that kind people, that kind of breed, that kills just to be able to get a ticket in a show in order to have that one in a thousand chance to win a few thousand pesos so he can feed his hungry family. Their negligence is their overestimation of that discipline.
Now, a question should be asked -- why have we become that kind of people? This is tempting to explore. But i think we should stop there.
Rather, this i think should just be considered a lesson -- to file suit against Tom, dick and Harry may just exacerbate the difficult situation the pinoys are in right now. This will result to more divisions and more conflict. ::)
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The point here, in the planning stage of the Wowowee show the matter that was left out, i think, may have been the issue on the kind and character of people who were supposed to attend the show.
Good assessment. Months before this thing happened my wife kept telling me stories about how unruly the Wowowee crowd outside ABS-CBN could get. One thing she kept repeating was that, even if the show has already ended, the crowds refused to go home thinking that if they camp outside the compound it will make it easier for them to get in the studio. Luspo and his men, having to contend with this type of crowd for almost a year here in Mother Ignacia, should have used this information in forming their security plan. Luspo's excuse that the crowd was more unruly than usual does not hold water because he already knows first hand how unruly they can get.
But in fairness to ABS-CBN, some of their top honchos are really devastated about this incident and are personally affected. Word is, Charo Santos has been going to the office with no makeup and not dressed up for a few days now. She's really depressed.
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abs-cbn - damage control -(what do you expect?)
gma7 & others - going for the kill !!! (oh come on, what do you expect?)
business is business, kung nagkapalit ng kapalaran, ganyan din gagawin nila....
as to the poor desperate filipinos? pampalubag loob sa mga naapektuhan (namatayan o nasaktan) but show will go on, this will be forgotten. what do you expect? hindi kaya ng gob bigyan lahat yan ng trabaho esp the old women.... pipila at pipila uli sa ano mang game-show na may sapat na pa-premyo para baguhin ang buhay nila....
madaling magsalita na turuan huwag maging mendicant na magsipag etc, esp ung mga nakaka-angat sa buhay. the sad reality is OVERPOPULATED NA TAYO. dumarami ang mahirap, ang dating class ABC now ABCDE na....
will it happen again? i hope and pray never.....but ::)
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The irony is that people at the ULTRA were there in the hope that their lives will improve somehow with the instant cash they can win. Now, that very life is gone. And irony upon irony, their families may well get the cash after all -- as abuloy from ABS-CBN.
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It's one thing for another network to portray these stories (but even that can be done bad taste), or if the tragedy in question is natural, but for the news arm of the corporation who is most probably culpable to run these is just in very bad taste. It's like they had nothing to do with the incident!
Don't they get it that if they had done their job, their would be no need to look at the "silver lining" because there would have been no storm?
my thoughts exactly! seemed like they did nothing wrong and we should compliment them with their good deeds! when in fact, it's their responsibilty mostly to help the victims!
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About the network wars...
GMA-7 was the only other TV station to give full coverage to this incident. Their reporters really emphasized with their interviews on people disgusted with ABS-CBN. They showed footages of the corpses, injured people and repeated it again and again and again. One of their reporters even commented that this incident was one of the worst tragedies in modern Philippine history. GMA-7's intention was obvious, they are trying to give their rival a real shot of bad publicity as long as possible. To cap all these ironies, they stopped the coverage to air Wowowee's rival show..."Eat Bulaga!". Vic and Joey reportedly spent a few minutes to pray for the victims, but were not good in hiding their smirks during the course of the show as they felt they have put away the show's biggest threat...Willie and Wowowee.
Their Saturday night GMA FLASH REPORT was surprisingly long enough to give injustice to the word "flash". Repeatedly showing footages of the victims and their weeping families, once again focusing on people who were saying that they would never go to that noontime show in their lifetime and victims lashing out on ABS-CBN's irresponsibility. Even the staff at Jessica Soho's show did a astonishingly fabulous job, possibly with the order of GMA management, as they instantly came up with a segment on the Ultra stampede. These segments usually take days to produce.
Certainly, GMA-7's actions were as indigistible like the stories of people who asked for raffle tickets right before stepping on corpses. Has the rival for network dominance gone this low? I hope they won't go low as throwing out a party for ensuring their "No. 1 Kapuso" title for years to come.
Exactly. I think the rival station of ABS-CBN saw this tragedy as a blessing for them and gladly took the opportunity to destroy ABS-CBN, especially now that GMA is loosing their audience share in the ratings very rapidly. It's no secret in the industry that ABS-CBN has been performing very well these past few weeks and is gaining very significant ground in the ratings war. They practically retaken 75 percent of the primetime pie, plus the recent phenomenal performance of the Pacquiao-Morales bout will surely leapfrog it to the daytime lead.
It's hard to believe that the Network War have reached this callous state. I don't know what's worst - ABS-CBN doing damage control on the wake of this tragedy or GMA using this tragedy and the corpses as a bullet for ABS-CBN.
And btw I think it's about time that someone teach Joey deLeon when to shut up. When Joey made a joke about the death of Ernie Baron even before the guy was burried I thought he wont be able to top that, guess what, he did with this stampede.
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What was Joey de Leon's joke on Ernie Baron? On the stampede? I heard that he did say something...
I remember an ABS CBN reporter interviewing one of the victims (an old lady) who was treated for minor injuries at around past 11am on the day of the stampede. The questions being asked were very leading (and distasateful given the situation) but Ted Failon was actually the one asking the reporter to ask the questions...
(Reporter just found out victim was from the province and Ted goes and asks reporter... Pakitanong nga sa kanya...)
Question: Bakit ho kahit pagkalayo layo ng pinanggalingan nyo ay pumunta pa rin kayo dito at nagtiis na pumila sa ULTRA ng ilang araw para lang makapasok sa Wowowee Anniversary?
Answer: Mahal na mahal kasi ho namin si Willie....
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I don't know what the joke was about in Ernie Baron's case, but suffice to say that it was disrespectful and in bad taste. Regarding this stampede, it was reported and many people I know confirmed it to me, that Joey said in Eat Bulaga something like,"dito na lang kayo manood, kasi ang mga tao dito buhay" then made a cut gesture across his neck using his finger.
Then at the end of the show, they offered a prayer and a minute of silence. lol I think that's their version of their own damage control.
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What has been bugging me about this is that Gabby Lopez announced that ABS-CBN Foundation will shoulder all the medical and burial expenses of the victims. Why would the non-profit arm shoulder the expenses? First of all, this will be a big tax break for them, secondly, the foundation sources its funds partly from donations from third parties like other corporations and well-meaning individuals. This only means that other people's money would be used to pay the expenses of the victims, when the accident happened within the jurisdiction of the broadcasting arm.
It would have been different if Lopez said that the broadcasting arm will shoulder all the expenses but it will be dispensed by the non-profit arm.
ABS-CBN clarified this already. ABS-CBN Foundation said that they are not soliciting funds or donations from the public and that they are not shouldering the expenses. ABS-CBN Foundation said that they were merely facilitating for ABS-CBN and it is ABS-CBN that's funding this operation not them.
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randy david had said it in an interview, "mass media should be party be blame for what had happened. they have been exploiting the situation of the people."
Whether media is to be blamed or not isn't really the thing we must focus on. People have died because a certain game show has promised them a slice of heaven if they will come and watch its performance live. A real, solid plan for crowd control was sorely lacking and (sadly) it's the fault of the event's organizers. Media may have contributed to the build-up of tension before, during and after the tragedy, but they are not the main culprits in this unfortunate incident. I'm no great fan of irresponsible media myself, but let us identify first who is the biggest contributor to this event.
i believe it, too! wowowee may have all the good intentions in mind i.e. helping to "alleviate" the conditions of the poor but exploitation is definitely on the other other side of the coin. they have overlooked that part.
As they say, "The road to heaven (or was it hell?) is often paved with good intentions".
I have always believed from the start that Wowowwee's premise is flawed. The show gives away money to (needy) people in order to rake-in huge rating points. It is not new that ABS-CBN bigwigs have resorted to such tactics. If you still recall then, Boyet de Leon's Who wants to be a millionaire? game show has been a consistent top rater though it was being shown by a run-of-the-mill (pardon my expression) TV network. ABS came up with (that idiotic show) GAME KNB?, hosted by no less than you know who. Game KNB's premise is the same, offer much higher prizes to mostly poor folks by just answering super easy questions. Of course, the show became an instant hit, toppled WBAM and up til today is raking huge ratings points using more or less the same formula, with celebrities as contestants to boot.
Wowoweee (did I spell it right?), is no different. After losing consistently to the Kapuso channel's noontime show for such a long period now, it employed the same offer-stupendously-huge-prizes sheme just to get noticed. And predictably, people (especially the poor) have began to pay attention. There's no business really like show business. And wowowwee exploited this to the hilt. It has huge prizes, packs in big audience every show date and the STAR power of ABS-CBN. Those who have been watching the show consistently can't help but hope that someday they too may win the stupendously big prizes being offered to common folks like them. If you offer a poor person food and money just to watch u perform live (no matter how boringly stupid your performance maybe) what will you expect? Chances are that person will applaud you everytime you make a jig, dish out whatever lame joke you can hold of, or worst have the delusion that you can actually belt out a note or two. For poor folks, being eligible to win those big prizes being offered is worth the effort of applauding (even glorifying) every moronic action that their supposed benefactor performs for them. And for what? Poor folk just want to survive. And that, in my opinion, is what Wowwowwee has ingenuiosly preyed upon.
ABS media power has made sure that this (get rich quick) promise will be viewed by all common folks all over the country. It made no qualms in giving away millions just to solidify the illusion that anyone loyal enough to watch the show live stands to win huge amounts of prizes. More viewers means more ratings, more ratings mean more commercials, more commercials mean more MONEY for the network!!! It's just like spending a million pesos but getting five million pesos in return, that exactly is what Wowowee is bringing to ABS-CBN. ABS bosses have made sure that the show continually give away huge prizes to common folk while airing it live for all to see. ABS has been preying on common folk's vulnerabilities, they drive it hard to common folk's psyche that Wowwowee is the answer to their financial problems, that in order to win big they should watch the show live. An that, common folks did. And what happened next, is TRAGEDY.
When will ABS ever learn? How many more lives have to be sacrificed just to pacify it's greed for ratings leadership and money?
Now, they are in serious damage control. ABS offered to pay for the hospitalization, burial, etc. of each victim and compensate the departed's families as well. But how do they do it?? Why does the ABS foundation(s) do it, why not ABS the media company itself compensate the victims? Is it because whatever amount that the ABS foundation will incur in compensating (and pacyfying?) the victms' families can be deducted from it's tax liabilities because it's foundation(s) have shelled out the money? If so, then ABS is guilty of another sin - HYPOCRISY!!! Saying it is sorry and yet finding a way to decrease whatever taxes is due to government by using its foundation(s) as tool. I surely hope I am wrong for the sake of ABS-CBN. And they should really pray hard too that no opportunistic lawyer will try to convince the victims' families to file a class suit against them for negligence. It won't take a glib lawyer to convince people that there is more money to be earned by filing a case against this network, potential payment for damages could run into the hundreds of millions. Enough money for every loyal watcher of Wowwowwweee to partake off just to make their million peso dreams come true.
Really?!! When will ABS-CBN ever learn?? ??? :P
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It is for the people affected who risked their lives or even the mere recepients of the prizes, or even the viewers who enjoyed the show who should condemn ABS-CBN if there is really a need to condemn the company and not by people whom we know may not even have watched the show. I noticed that contradictory to the calmness of the affected people, the level of passion and furiousity of the mere observers is incredibly outstanding.
The supposed to be fair head of the Committee investigating the incident, no less than an undersecretary of the government is one person full of personal biases against the station and judging from his words, he is a typical example of a person who wants revenge no less. Why that degree of hate from him is something perplexing. Instead of reading the findings and conclusion of the committee he heads, he took that as personal opportunity to divulge supposedly what he had in mind about the situation which to my mind done only for one reason - for his personal aggrandizement or to make himself somehow at that instant, popular and "pogi"in the eyes of those who hate the station, among them - the powers that be. One thing for sure here, he has now made himself "kakampi" of the appointing authority. ;D
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sirs, sa hirap ng buhay ngayon lahat ng gameshows ay papatulan ng mga mahihirap. eh malake magpa-premyo abs-cbn kaya d2 tayo. yesterday at the presscon someone asked if anybody called 117 for help. WALA!!!pag tumawag sila ng pulis eh baka mawala pa ang pagkakataon nilang makapasok pag binuwag at inayos ang hanay. people stepped on dead-people walang pakialam basta makapasok lang! nangyari na ang lahat, hindi pa rin umalis ang mga tao sa ultra, gusto ituloy pa ang show. Monday may nakapila pa rin sa abs-cbn hoping show will go on back to normal...desperado na ang mga tao!
maski anong daming NGO nagtuturo ng livelihood programs etc, eh sa dami ng mahihirap...at bakit ayaw na nila magtsaga at magsikap? eh nakikita nila ang kaliwat kanan ang kurap yumayaman, at yung mga masipag at malinis ay napag-iiwanan....
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Very tragic ... Sana instead of tv stations placing grim pictures or footages of the dead ipakita rin iyung mga efforts to help those na namatayan or nasugatan. Don't know if GMA-7 extended help to those in need but I hope they did. This incident isn't about what's the better station, this is about reaching out to people in need.
Also, hope that people stop pointing fingers and do a thorough investigation to find out what really happened. I hope that people stop issuing blanket statements.
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Maybe sociologist can find better reasons why despite the incident, people would still like that show to continue. Under such a circumstance, people would just go home but I cant believe when these people even cried "tuloy ang show!" We also have heard the story that so many of these people too were still asking for the ticket while they were already beside these dead people -- crazy i think. It seems that we are now going back towards the barbaric system of survival of the fittest. :-\
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Regarding this stampede, it was reported and many people I know confirmed it to me, that Joey said in Eat Bulaga something like,"dito na lang kayo manood, kasi ang mga tao dito buhay" then made a cut gesture across his neck using his finger.
last night at the TV Patrol, they reported this for a few minutes, interviewing the mtrcb head.
but at the end of the report, a one liner was stated by their entertainment reporter:
"however, the mtrcb did not find anything wrong with mr. de leon's comments" (in tagalog).
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Eat Bulaga and its hosts, particularly Joey, frequently get into forgettable run-ins with the MTRCB.
but Revillame has had a couple of suspension-resulting reprimands from the ratings board.
He's probably wishing now that he had stayed outside of the limelight after that incident.
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I think USec. Marius Corpus was way out of line in emotively presenting the findings of his results. He should have kept objective to distance himself from the already angry mob, and to avoid providing ABS-CBN the chance to portray themselves as a victim in this issue.
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Di kasi talaga tayo magaling sa "Capacity Planning". Whether for family, event or infrastructures. Yung mga design or preparations ay laging may bottleneck.
this is about attitude kasi. most pinoys chose to be "short sighted" o kaya nagmamadali.
hindi naman siguro nagkulang sa pilipinas ng mga nakakaintindi ng operations mgt (research) di ba? ;D
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I think USec. Marius Corpus was way out of line in emotively presenting the findings of his results. He should have kept objective to distance himself from the already angry mob, and to avoid providing ABS-CBN the chance to portray themselves as a victim in this issue.
in a way, his use of figure of speech was quite surprising.
akala ko nga, calm and controlled sya. until that statement.
seeing that image in my mind, nagulintang ako.
(giving a small piece of meat to a pack of hungry wolves)
just this morning, the abs thru MUP went to the offensive mode
& called usec corpus on the air. they managed to get an apology from him.
but it did not end there. the reporter-anchor then took a swipe at the government.
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Maybe sociologist can find better reasons why despite the incident, people would still like that show to continue. ... It seems that we are now going back towards the barbaric system of survival of the fittest. :-\
that's a good point.
the next question would be,
will the media companies use socio-economic and psychological theories to guide their decision
making/s for their next projects as the main factor? or is it ratings?
your guess is as good as mine.
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A lot of the audience wanted to continue with the TV show because they're dirt poor. People with money can afford to have a sense of morals and stop to contemplate further the ethical implications of what happened that day. A lot of people who went to Wowowee came as far away as Mindanao for the chance to win the prizes.
If you've experience true poverty you'll understand why the audience wanted to go there and continue despite everything. You'll understand why they love Willie and his antics. Willie gives them a sense of hope that neither the government or the religious has ever given them. The government makes a lot of promises but never did deliver. The religious say they'll get their riches AFTER they died while the Wowowee gives them a realistic chance NOW!
If Satan himself appeared today and satisfied the poor's wants and needs then you'll see the first Satanic State in the world.
Now all the politicians and media outfit have descended from their high lofty perches to feed off the tragedy like vultures. The best we can hope for is that govt will take steps to make more stringent rules on crowd control. I do hope the victims will cause a major but not fatal financial hit at ABS-CBN when they go for a class action case. This will only be the way these jokers will learn and ultimately help the poor.
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in a way, his use of figure of speech was quite surprising.
akala ko nga, calm and controlled sya. until that statement.
seeing that image in my mind, nagulintang ako.
(giving a small piece of meat to a pack of hungry wolves)
just this morning, the abs thru MUP went to the offensive mode
& called usec corpus on the air. they managed to get an apology from him.
but it did not end there. the reporter-anchor then took a swipe at the government.
mali talaga si Corpus. para tuloy syang Kapuso.
ABS will start using this as the linchpin for its self-pity and anti-government propaganda. If so, i hope other media organizations will play this against ABS if only to neutralize the situation.
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I think USec. Marius Corpus was way out of line in emotively presenting the findings of his results. He should have kept objective to distance himself from the already angry mob, and to avoid providing ABS-CBN the chance to portray themselves as a victim in this issue.
This is precisely what the typical politician is in the Philippines. Emotions weigh heavier than actual evidence. Hindi ba tayo marunong mag-imbestiga. Mas magaling pa yata ABS-CBN or GMA-7.
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This is precisely what the typical politician is in the Philippines. Emotions weigh heavier than actual evidence. Hindi ba tayo marunong mag-imbestiga. Mas magaling pa yata ABS-CBN or GMA-7.
When you appoint instead of promote people this happens. :)
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When you appoint instead of promote people this happens. :)
I think the Undersecretary item is a career position though.
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I think the Undersecretary item is a career position though.
So is the position "Secretary" but half of the time political appointments are made as "utang ng loob". A cousin of Sen Magsaysay was once slated to be a DTI Undersecretary but the deal fell through.
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Aren't all secretaries-to-be required to go through the commission on appointment, ergo they need to be endorsed/nominated by the President? I can't seem to recall any past or present member of the cabinet who is a pure career official.
I believe Usecs. don't need to undergo the scrutiny of the CA anymore. but i guess nothing won't stop a president from giving a position in government to a person of his/her choice.
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Back to the topic:
Heard an update on the radio that the DOJ returned the report of the ULTRA Fact Finding Team as it was insufficient to determine any criminal liabilities. As per Sec. Gonzalez, the report was just an account of what happened with recommendations on how to prevent future stampedes. There were not much evidence and testimonies.
Well... what else can you produce when you're trying to beat a 72 hour deadline set by PGMA? PGMA should not have set a deadline in the first place... :P
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I think so that they can determine the negligence or the degree of culpabilities of all parties, the investigating committee should produce first the clear standard of preparations that should be used as benchmark, so that any thing less than that will be considered prima facie evidence of negligence. Under circumstances, it is necessary to study statistics, like the proportion of security officers, health officers, ambulances, toilets, etc. in relation to the number of people expected to attend the show which anybody could not have not predicted.
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People with money can afford to have a sense of morals and stop to contemplate further the ethical implications of what happened that day.
Are you saying that people faced with poverty can opt not to consider the ethical ramifications of their actions? Just want to clarify this...
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Are you saying that people faced with poverty can opt not to consider the ethical ramifications of their actions? Just want to clarify this...
The poor dont choose to put aside ethics & morals in the same way they are able to choose to be poor or not. This is similar to the debate on DVD piracy. It isnt a choice of whether it is legal to buy legit DVDs or not but what they can afford. How else can you explain the crowd wanting the show to go on? They came from all over the Philippines for the chance to win big prizes that can make or break them.
Personally I would pause and try to sort things out before even entertaining the idea of the show to continue but if acid is burning a big hole in your tummy and the tummies of your kids you'd rather get the chance to win money as soon as possible & bahala na yung Diyos sa mga namatay.
Thus my statement that non-poor people can afford ethics & morals. How else to explain why people becoming garbage men or prostitutes? I dont know of anyone who dreamed of growing up being either.
From the description of Wowowee by avid watchers it isnt a very good show and is very humiliating. Why allow yourself to be humiliated for a few thousands of pesos? I wouldnt but then again I'm not poor.
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I think that behavior is not exclusive to the poor. I don't think those people who join Fear Factor are that poor and desperate to eat live worms, spiders, bull testicle and exposed their naked bodies in a ballroom full of people because of the money, but they do it anyway.
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I think that behavior is not exclusive to the poor. I don't think those people who join Fear Factor are that poor and desperate to eat live worms, spiders, bull testicle and exposed their naked bodies in a ballroom full of people because of the money, but they do it anyway.
Was there a stampede in FearFactor as well?
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i heard that abs reported that ultra violated a number of building codes.
bakit ngayon lang nila ininvestigate ito?
if they knew it then, would they have pushed through with ultra as their venue?
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i heard a report last nyt about a relative of a dead victim of the stampede
who was frustrated about the amount he was supposed to receive as a support
for the costs of the burial.
he said that mr. lopez & ms. santos promised to him that
abs will shoulder all the costs.
but later, a social worker from the abs cbn foundation said to him that
abs can only give up to 50 grand.
(correct me if i am wrong guys, jurisprudence daw states that 50 grand kasi
ang general amount to be "given" to the family's victim)
but his bill now amounted to 75 grand.
the social worker told him that beyond 50 g,
it should be the family who will shoulder the cost.
i hope mr. lopez will fullfill his promise to the families of the victims to shoulder all the costs
and not hide behind the jurisprudence.
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from the inquirer's ceres doyo (human face),
qoutable quotes from the tragedy:
“I was not even aware that ‘Wowowee’ was having its first anniversary.” -- Gina Lopez, head of ABS-CBN’s Bantay Bata Foundation, speaking as guest at ABS-CBN’s “Straight Talk with Cito Beltran.”
“Ayan, namatayan ako ng anak.” [There, now I have lost a child.] -- a father, after finding out that his young, only daughter, whom his wife insisted on taking along, was crushed to death.
“Nagkanya-kanya, basta maka-una lang.” [It was each man for himself, trying to get ahead.] -- Sen. Richard Gordon, head of the Philippine National Red Cross.
“I saw something very wrong, very, very wrong.” -- Police superintendent Vidal Querol, his voice almost cracking, after he saw people stepping over the dead and clamoring for raffle tickets.
“Gusto lang namin sila mapasaya.” [We just wanted to make them happy.]
-- “Wowowee” host Willie Revillame.
“Even with all the dead around, many people were still asking for raffle tickets.” -- a paraphrase of what TV producer Marilou Almaden told the fact-finding committee investigating the tragedy.
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Lesson learned here (or the lack of it) is we Filipinos just don't have the apprehension of everything that had happened in the past. We blame ABS-CBN, the PNP, LGU and everybody except ourselves. This craziness should have prevented if only we have the values of being civilized. Poverty is not a reason that we should sacrifice the lives of others. Poverty is not a reason that we go back to stone age. One resounding example is people commuting the mass transit system. Everybody seems to be in a hurry they would push, shove, step on someone just to get in. And what amazes me, even those in barong, neat long sleeves and tie, they become animals let out of their cages. These are educated people and look how they behave. Ladies and gentlemen, we just don't get it. We are so knowledgeable we tend to ignore simple and basic things. VALUES.
If we only know how to fall in line... If we only know how to give respect to others... This tragedy should have never happened. Until we learn from our mistakes, get back our values... we will be witnessing another sequel to this nightmare.
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If they are already admitted to the show and something happened, ABS may be made directly accountable. But when the incident happened prior to their admission to the show just like when people are still on their way going there, it is really unfair i think for aBS CBN to be charged for anything that happens.
Some families of the victims are even complaining "bakit daw 75 thousand lang ang tulong?" -- Excuse me! In what sense that they have to demand an amount if they consider it as "tulong?" ::) In the first place, they were not forced to go there. All right there were tempting prizes, but for me whether to go or not to go is entirely the responsibility of the people.
These people are no longer children who may not have the full capacity to discern what is right or wrong, whether they have to proceed to the show or not.
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i heard that abs reported that ultra violated a number of building codes.
bakit ngayon lang nila ininvestigate ito?
if they knew it then, would they have pushed through with ultra as their venue?
kasi yung mayor na nakaka-sakop sa ultra ay maka-abs kaya dun nila ginawa.....sa mga interviews nga eh, lagi nyang sinasabi "alam nyo naman tong wowowee ang daming natutulungan" tapos meron pang "hindi nila kasalanan gusto lang nilang tumulong" i mean come on!!!!ang daming nang namatay pino-promote pa nya!!! ???
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Lesson learned here (or the lack of it) is we Filipinos just don't have the apprehension of everything that had happened in the past. We blame ABS-CBN, the PNP, LGU and everybody except ourselves. This craziness should have prevented if only we have the values of being civilized. Poverty is not a reason that we should sacrifice the lives of others. Poverty is not a reason that we go back to stone age. One resounding example is people commuting the mass transit system. Everybody seems to be in a hurry they would push, shove, step on someone just to get in. And what amazes me, even those in barong, neat long sleeves and tie, they become animals let out of their cages. These are educated people and look how they behave. Ladies and gentlemen, we just don't get it. We are so knowledgeable we tend to ignore simple and basic things. VALUES.
If we only know how to fall in line... If we only know how to give respect to others... This tragedy should have never happened. Until we learn from our mistakes, get back our values... we will be witnessing another sequel to this nightmare.
AMEN ako rito bro! BULLSEYE!!!
Values saka konting disiplina lang. Hindi excuse ang kahirapan. Mahirap ka o mayaman kung walang values saka walang disiplina, eh magulo talaga.
Naalala ko tuloy iyung first time ko mag commute sa subway sa Tokyo. Nasa isang side lang sila ng escalator para iyung nagmamadali makakadaan. Fast lane kung baga. Kaya iyung nasa gitna at ayaw tumabi, malamang pinoy din he!he!
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I work at shang mall and even at the mall makikita mo na magugulang talaga karamihan ng mga pilipino (rich or poor). Yung mga sasakay ng elevator sa 1st floor going up sasakay muna pababa sa basement para maka-una. Same din dun sa sasakay going down kapag marami nang nakapila mag round trip. To think na A-B crowd nang mall. Another example kapag traffic, maghihintay lang yung ibang drivers na may magsisimulang mag counter flow tapos sunuran na lahat.
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::)Amen to that!
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Lumalabas dito nasa kultura ng atin mga Pinoy ang pagiging alimango? Too bad no one has the guts to say it out loud. :)
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Values saka konting disiplina lang. Hindi excuse ang kahirapan. Mahirap ka o mayaman kung walang values saka walang disiplina, eh magulo talaga.
Naalala ko tuloy iyung first time ko mag commute sa subway sa Tokyo. Nasa isang side lang sila ng escalator para iyung nagmamadali makakadaan. Fast lane kung baga. Kaya iyung nasa gitna at ayaw tumabi, malamang pinoy din he!he!
True, pero hindi lang sa Tokyo; I noticed even doon sa Hong Kong and Singapore, ganoon yung escalator system--it's like some kind of accepted protocol, dapat stay on the right side so yung mga nagmamadali can run past you on the left side. Obviously we don't know about it here.
And kahit sobrang crowded yung subway nila, once the doors open, maayos yung pagboard and disembark ng commuters. Dito everyone pushes just to go inside and crowd the area near the train doors, pero yung center area ng trains ang luwag-luwag.
Hindi konting disiplina ang kailangan--madaming disiplina ang kailangan. The problem is we *never* learn from our past mistakes; even after may mga previous incidents na, you still get to hear deaths from overcrowding in ferrys, floats sa mga parades/fiestas, etc.
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I think stayin on the right side for "slow" moving people has its origins in road right of way. It's a law in the Philippines but anyone who ever went on SLEX, STAR or NLEX can tell you it isnt done.
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Regarding NLEX and SLEX, as I recall early 80's and late 70's talagang sumusunod yung mga drivers na left lane ka kapag mag overtake ka otherwise right lane ka lang dapat. I miss those days.
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The reason this happens again and again is nobody really gets penalized for what they did especially if they are big corporations or rich people.In Philippine history only a handful of prosecutions were made against people in power or who have the money.Examples had to be made from time to time to fool the public in to thinking the justice system works. But in reality it is the poor people who get screwed.People don't follow the rules here because most of the time they can get away with it, and this includes the not so fortunate.You will see most of the pinoys obeying the laws and acting with a sense of responsibility abroad but not when they are back home.
Let us face it, Filipinos have very short memory.What is in the headlines now will just be idle talk next week.What I'm waiting for now is President Estrada to be pardoned and run again for office.They sure are taking their time there.
Hopefully they make an example of this and justice be served so that future accidents like this may be avoided.Prosecute them to the full capacity of the law and retribution be brought to those who lost a family member in the tragedy.
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Seemingly, there is a growing concensus that the big reason for incidents such as this is the lack or want of discipline of the people. The irony of the situation is that these people are being urged now to sue so they can collect something out of it. ;D
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I work at shang mall and even at the mall makikita mo na magugulang talaga karamihan ng mga pilipino (rich or poor). Yung mga sasakay ng elevator sa 1st floor going up sasakay muna pababa sa basement para maka-una. Same din dun sa sasakay going down kapag marami nang nakapila mag round trip. To think na A-B crowd nang mall. Another example kapag traffic, maghihintay lang yung ibang drivers na may magsisimulang mag counter flow tapos sunuran na lahat.
True... the rich can be as gulang as any other person. Actually minsan mas may morals pa talaga yung common folks. Example, my wife is confined to a wheel chair so when in the mall, palaging elevator gamit namin to go from floor to floor. Sa MegaMall which can be considered a "masa" mall, nangyari na several times na full yung elevator pag-open sa floor namin and may mga mag-vovolunteer to step out to allow my wife and me to get on... pero sa Shang Mall never ever nangyari yon. The people riding the elevator would even look away pretending not to see us. Plus I also mentioned in another thread our experience of waiting outside the handicap CR at Shang only to see 2 very healthy (ie: not disabled) rich ladies step out...
I do not see wealth as factor in determining values and morals... a lot of wealthy individuals are guilty of being immoral and with out values... their sins just take a different form BUT there also less fortunate individuals who can uphold their values... just this morning on the radio, an old taxi driver went to DZMM so they can help him locate the passenger who left a brand new laptop and a few thousand dollars cash in his taxi... there's also the janitress at the airport who also returned a bag full of dollars to airport management for them to return to the businessman who left it in the men's comfort room.
There are probably a thousand other incidents like these we never heard about and will never hear about which is why I do not believe wealth has anything to do with a person's morals and values.
OT: Chito C., are you really with Shang Mall? Can I PM you? Just want to share a few things... TY
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OT: Chito C., are you really with Shang Mall? Can I PM you? Just want to share a few things... TY
I work for the holding company.
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True, pero hindi lang sa Tokyo; I noticed even doon sa Hong Kong and Singapore, ganoon yung escalator system--it's like some kind of accepted protocol, dapat stay on the right side so yung mga nagmamadali can run past you on the left side. Obviously we don't know about it here.
And kahit sobrang crowded yung subway nila, once the doors open, maayos yung pagboard and disembark ng commuters. Dito everyone pushes just to go inside and crowd the area near the train doors, pero yung center area ng trains ang luwag-luwag.
Hindi konting disiplina ang kailangan--madaming disiplina ang kailangan. The problem is we *never* learn from our past mistakes; even after may mga previous incidents na, you still get to hear deaths from overcrowding in ferrys, floats sa mga parades/fiestas, etc.
That's true. I think Filipinos are the most undisciplined people in Asia. The first time I went to Thailand and attended a Sunday mass there, I was caught by surprised during the communion, they even have a system when lining up to take communion. The people from the nearest rows from the altar goes first and people wait for their rows turn before getting in line to take their communion.
Having said that, I believe the responsibility for this tragedy still rest on the shoulders of our law enforcers, that's the bottom-line here. People don't get disciplined automatically, someone should enforced the law and instill order to society. Singapore clearly showed that people's habit and behavior can be changed by a strong government. If you ask me I think Bayani is capable of doing this.
During the height of the protest rallies against GMA I often hear Gen Querol saying that CPR is meant to keep the people from doing harm against others and against themselves. Those protests rallyist (even in "prayer rallies") definitely did not asked the assistance of Gen Querol or the PNP to keep order within their ranks, much so coordinated with them. But just the same Gen Querol and the PNP were there in full battle gear with cargo container as barricades and some fire trucks. All of those efforts were there, “only to keep people from getting hurt”, that is what Querol said. It didn’t take a single meeting or coordination with the opposition for the PNP to act then. Now I wonder why in the case of WOWOWEE where there is a much bigger crowd, bigger than any of the rallies I've seen the opposition mounted, where there is much more lives at stake and a higher risk of people getting hurt - Gen Querol and the PNP did not do anything to prevent it, despite of the fact that ABS-CBN/WOWOWEE asked for their assistance to keep order in the crowd.
Gen Querol said they the PNP was never invited to the emergency meeting by the organizers, so they did not act upon the potential disaster. Why did that stop them now but not when Guingona and company held their "prayer rallies" before? The opposition never even invited them or asked for their assistance in the first place. Both have public safety issues interests involved. The only difference I could see is - there is a political interest involved in the other crowd gathering but not in Willy’s show.
The street is a public domain and I think ABS-CBN has no right to order people to get out of it, only the state has that police power, and the PNP did not exercised that power on that occasion. The police are trying to tell the public that ABS-CBN is in charge of public safety and order, and they would have only acted if ABS-CBN told them to do so, that’s why they did not lift a finger even when there was a looming huge tragedy waiting to happen. That sounds BS to me.
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The reason this happens again and again is nobody really gets penalized for what they did especially if they are big corporations or rich people.In Philippine history only a handful of prosecutions were made against people in power or who have the money.Examples had to be made from time to time to fool the public in to thinking the justice system works. But in reality it is the poor people who get screwed.People don't follow the rules here because most of the time they can get away with it, and this includes the not so fortunate.You will see most of the pinoys obeying the laws and acting with a sense of responsibility abroad but not when they are back home.
Let us face it, Filipinos have very short memory.What is in the headlines now will just be idle talk next week.What I'm waiting for now is President Estrada to be pardoned and run again for office.They sure are taking their time there.
Hopefully they make an example of this and justice be served so that future accidents like this may be avoided.Prosecute them to the full capacity of the law and retribution be brought to those who lost a family member in the tragedy.
BINGO! ;D
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That's why I'm hoping the victims would wisen up and sue the pants off ABS-CBN. Money is the only language these media maniacs know.
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The only difference I could see is - there is a political interest involved in the other crowd gathering but not in Willy’s show.
good point! nice analysis! :)
The street is a public domain and I think ABS-CBN has no right to order people to get out of it, only the state has that police power, and the PNP did not exercised that power on that occasion. The police are trying to tell the public that ABS-CBN is in charge of public safety and order, and they would have only acted if ABS-CBN told them to do so, that’s why they did not lift a finger even when there was a looming huge tragedy waiting to happen. That sounds BS to me.
but the problem is, abs was the one who persuaded the public to go to a certain location.
it only makes sense that they should also be the one to persuade the public to leave the location.
(which they did after the tragedy happened and their loyal fans did follow them)
if abs knew there is danger looming,
why did'nt they announced on air that the venue can not accommodate additional people?
they had the chance to do it on their late evening report and at the ultra vicinity.
they could have definitely helped control the swelling of the crowd.
i hope this tragedy will make abs better in terms of planning their activities.
was abs negligent? (maybe) the court will decide this.
again, kapuso or kapamilya, nobody wanted this to happen.
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good point! nice analysis! :)
but the problem is, abs was the one who persuaded the public to go to a certain location.
it only makes sense that they should also be the one to persuade the public to leave the location.
(which they did after the tragedy happened and their loyal fans did follow them)
if abs knew there is danger looming,
why did'nt they announced on air that the venue can not accommodate additional people?
they had the chance to do it on their late evening report and at the ultra vicinity.
they could have definitely helped control the swelling of the crowd.
Events like this are not unique to ABS-CBN. We see crowd like this all the time, in concerts, TV shows, rallies etc. Organizers of big events always use something to entice big crowds to converge to an event. It was only unfortunate that in this ABS-CBN's event the different ingredients for the recipe for disaster also converged with the crowd.
We can't just trust or put private corporations or organizations in charge with public safety, that is not a sound policy. First of all, corporations like ABS-CBN do not have the expertise to handle matters like this, that's why we have a government that should regulate and police events like this. The police should have known better, simply because that’s their primary job & purpose in the first place.
If ABS-CBN did follow every governmental regulations and rules in conducting this event and inspite of it this still happened, then I think there’s something wrong with the regulations to begin with. Again the bulk of responsibility will still go down to the government. Why did the structural design flaws in ULTRA have gone uncorrected for so long and why did the City Engineers approve the design in the first place? Why did the Department of Trade and Industry or the proper agency approved the mechanics and promo of WOWOWEE if it is detrimental to public interest? Why didn’t the police intervened when it is their inherent task to prevent things like this from happening.
To me, if we’re just gonna blame ABS-CBN for this tragedy then this is bound to happen all over again, just like how the fluvial procession tragedy repeated itself. If the government can raise tax to the hilt no matter how hard it is for ordinary people then why can’t they intervene to a private affair if people’s lives are at stake?
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ABS-CBN should be solely blamed!not the police whom they are now trying very hard to blame,not that they don't have the media power(hahaha).
Anyway,why would the police extend assistance to a private gathering?!why would i let my taxpayer money paying the salaries of these policemen that you are trying to point your fingers on now,para lang mabantayan ang isang pribadong kumpayang may promo?!effing nah! >:(
fact is,and time and again,di na kailangan ng batas ng guilt beyond reasonable doubt when it comes to negligence,it only takes preponderance of evidence.if a given organizer could have prevented an unfortunate evnt BUT they did not do anything about it,bagkus they encourage it,ipagmamalaki sana nila that they were very successful what with the crowd,when it all went wrong because of lack of foresight,biglang iiwanan ang mga tao sa kangkungan at maninisi ng ibang tao \pa.its a case of pointing fingers at everyone else,pero yun pala nakaturo sayo lahat,dahil kaw naman talaga may kasalanan.
bottomline,people died,make that poor people died without any sense at all.they were just enticed by a tv network's show who is trying too hard to be on top and at their expense,they've lost their lives.
Again,i repeat,alam ko mentality nitong mga tv production staff na mga to,all they want is ratings.dahil gusto nilang makunan ng may pandemonium,yes,they wanted a pandemonium,it has come to that point,their greediness has come to that point,e they got a tragedy instead.di ba pinapalabas pa sa tv patrol how happy they were of the jampacked crowd days before,they were proud of it,they wanted pandemonium para maganda ang dating,para sabihin at ipagbandohanan na "dinumog and wowowee sa ultra" or "wowowwee no. 1"!now,with that greediness,mapasayo man ang mundo,sinusunog naman ang kaluluwa nyo sa impyerno.
and this ABS-CBN is continuing without remorse,it has not even at a single moment,out of respect for the 74 souls,the cancellation of that show,even a symbolic or token one,like palitan man lang ang title ng show,kahit anjan pa lahat ng "guilty" staff basta may gawin sila na hindi magleleave ng bad taste in the mouth,for starters,some remorse,esp. to their executives also.
sabagay,the lopez family esp. the children,except gina lopez,malayong malayo sa kanilang mapagkawanggawang ama,i bet he is turning in his grave right now,if he could only see what his chair son is doing.di ba ang meralco has been asked for a refund before,and lately meron ding nagtaas sila pero naoverturn ng supreme court,ibig sabihin they have a penchant for breaking the law,without remorse.
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The fact is, ABS-CBN, being obsessed with overtaking eat bulaga in the ratings, by promising poor people with lots of prizes, did not provide more on security and safety measures. Telling us that they wanted to help the poor by giving lots of prizes is a load of crap. Pera lang lahat yan.
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Wala kwenta security, kahit pa may contingency plan hindi pa rin magiging maayos ang lahat kc isa lang ang kalaban:
DISIPLINA
Kahit libo libo security ang nadeploy, wala kwenta yan. Lalu na pag pera ang pinaguusapan.
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I think some of you are misinformed.
Tina Monzon Palma, announced that no funds will be taken from the ABS-CBN Foundation. The expenses that the network will incur from the tragedy will be shouldered by the network itself, not its foundations. She did say that the ABS-CBN Foundation volunteers' services will be employed because only they have the expertise in relief and social work. She also said that while they are not soliciting donations (as there are rumors that claim that the "Alay Sa Kapamilya" special which temporarily replace "Wowowee" is a fundraising telethon), they won't turn away any kind of help that private citizens want to extend.
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joey de leon vehemently denied the so-called jokes that he made re the stampede in star talk today. he was angry and was crying his heart out. i, too, never believed it. alam naman ni joey kung kailan dapat magbiro at kung kailan dapat tumahimik...
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I think some of you are misinformed.
Tina Monzon Palma, announced that no funds will be taken from the ABS-CBN Foundation. The expenses that the network will incur from the tragedy will be shouldered by the network itself, not its foundations. She did say that the ABS-CBN Foundation volunteers' services will be employed because only they have the expertise in relief and social work. She also said that while they are not soliciting donations (as there are rumors that claim that the "Alay Sa Kapamilya" special which temporarily replace "Wowowee" is a fundraising telethon), they won't turn away any kind of help that private citizens want to extend.
Then she just clarified a statement that Gabby Lopez himself issued on the day of the tragedy.
Actually, my wife has already mentioned this to me last night. She also said that ABS-CBN will devise a plan wherein the help they will extend to the victims will go beyond just monetary assistance. The master plan is to have ABS-CBN employees adopt a family. They will serve as big brothers or big sisters who will oversee the welfare of the family for the succeeding years. they also plan to make this a tradition, wherein, every year, they will fulfill the dreams of 72 people or families -- the number of victims that died last saturday.
If they can do this without a glitch then this could well prove to be a PR masterstroke for the company.
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We all know that Joey is very much against ABSCBN, pero nung mapanood ko sya kanina sa tv, I believe na di nya talaga magagawa yung mga kumalat sa text messages. Pero still, may parinig pa rin sya sa mga salita nya.
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That's the biggest joke and the funniest I've seen from him. Saan ka makakakita habang umiiyak tinuturo yung luha tapos sabay sabi ng sabi, "totoo ito hindi ito fake, kagaya ng iba". lol
That's the most terrible acting I ever saw, worst than Willie's crying routine.
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joey de leon vehemently denied the so-called jokes that he made re the stampede in star talk today. he was angry and was crying his heart out. i, too, never believed it. alam naman ni joey kung kailan dapat magbiro at kung kailan dapat tumahimik...
Well I guess everybody who saw it is a liar then and Joey who is known for his arrogance and rudeness suddenly is a saint. Even Swarding said it on-air and was even published in the papers that he clearly saw Joey do what he did, the one he's denying now. Now it's Joey's word against another gay personality Tita Swarding, sabunutan na lang sila. lol
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cant help but wonder, pasig city drug bust, karma ni meyor at chief of police, nagkataon lang or.......? ::)
joey and willie dapat magsama...nakakasuka ang drama nila pag-iyak :'( :'( :'(
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helo there,
Wow! matagal din hindi ako nag rereply dito,well para sa akin eh! na karma na ang mga lopez at kung hindi ba
gutom sa ratings gusto nilang talunin ang eat bulaga ayan! sumabog sa mukha nila,buti nga >:( >:( >:(
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We can't just trust or put private corporations or organizations in charge with public safety, that is not a sound policy. First of all, corporations like ABS-CBN do not have the expertise to handle matters like this, that's why we have a government that should regulate and police events like this. The police should have known better, simply because that’s their primary job & purpose in the first place.
then abs should have hired experts who know how to manage these things.
i believe matatalino naman ang management team ng abs.
unfortunately, they hired someone who made a tragic miscalculation.
If ABS-CBN did follow every governmental regulations and rules in conducting this event and inspite of it this still happened, then I think there’s something wrong with the regulations to begin with. Again the bulk of responsibility will still go down to the government.
well, that is a theory.
anyway, of course the police is able to handle crowd control.
but then again, this is a private event so the police should only be a supporting force.
(as justified by everythingyouwant dahil taxpayers money ang ginamit for crowd control for a private event)
a case in point:
by observing the luneta gatherings for private religious activities,
these religious organizations do contact the police for assistance
but the majority of their personnel for crowd control were from with the organizers.
they assign some of their members to be traffic enforcers and sheriffs.
Why did the structural design flaws in ULTRA have gone uncorrected for so long and why did the City Engineers approve the design in the first place? Why did the Department of Trade and Industry or the proper agency approved the mechanics and promo of WOWOWEE if it is detrimental to public interest?
then abs should act against ultra for this specific case only (design flaws).
if they are convinced with their evidence against ultra, then they could lead in suing ultra.
DTI will only intervene if the mechanics of the promo are suspected to be deceptive or illegal in nature.
they are not tasked to predict if a stampede will happen.
Why didn’t the police intervened when it is their inherent task to prevent things like this from happening.
To me, if we’re just gonna blame ABS-CBN for this tragedy then this is bound to happen all over again, just like how the fluvial procession tragedy repeated itself. If the government can raise tax to the hilt no matter how hard it is for ordinary people then why can’t they intervene to a private affair if people’s lives are at stake?
i think what you are saying will hold if the private affair in question is suspected to be:
1. involved in a criminal activity, or
2. a threat to the national security.
however, the two reasons stated does not apply to the wowowee gathering.
therefore, the police does not have the right reason to "intervene" in the wowowee gathering.
also, wouldn't it be wrong kung ipinadisperse ng police ang crowd because they see a possible stampede?
hindi ba magagalit ang organizers?
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i think what you are saying will hold if the private affair in question is suspected to be:
1. involved in a criminal activity, or
2. a threat to the national security.
however, the two reasons stated does not apply to the wowowee gathering.
therefore, the police does not have the right reason to "intervene" in the wowowee gathering.
also, wouldn't it be wrong kung ipinadisperse ng police ang crowd because they see a possible stampede?
hindi ba magagalit ang organizers?
What if there is obvious danger of injury to the public because of disorder, shouldn't the police step in and restore peace and order?
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if abs knew there is danger looming,
Precisely! How could anyone predicted that? There is no historical basis that Pinoys will risk their lives just to get a ticket... thats the exact point in that situation.
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That's right, bosing.
It's easy to say what ABS should have done -- now that a stampede has already claimed many lives. Did you hear anyone say anything before it happened?
You know what they say about 20/20 hindsight: "Everyone's a genius after the fact".
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ang balita ko,yung isang dancer ng wowowee, dahil sa nawalan ng trabaho,eh pick up girl na ngayon sa me padis point morato
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sana hindi na nila binalik ang kawowowee just to remind us na meron isang show na pumatay sa mahigit 70 katao,abs should be ashemed to the victims hindi pa nila nabibigyan ng katarunga ang pagkamatay nila hetot nag shohow na sila mahiya sila,sana nga matangal na ang show na yan at pati na si willie. >:( >:( >:(
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What if there is obvious danger of injury to the public because of disorder, shouldn't the police step in and restore peace and order?
correct. :)
what i gathered is that the police were the ones responsible for the traffic management and crime prevention outside venue. traffic management & crime prevention is definitely about peace and order.
but when it comes to formulating, organizing and implementing the system of crowd entry,
abs (and ultra?) was the one responsible for it. (i think the MOA stated it).
since the police were not invited nor informed about the implementation of crowd entry system,
it was obvious that the police could not and should not participate in this activity
as this may lead to confusion and non-coordination.
simply put, wowowee anniversary is like a giant party.
whatever happens at the party is the responsibility of the host.
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Precisely! How could anyone predicted that? There is no historical basis that Pinoys will risk their lives just to get a ticket... thats the exact point in that situation.
Good point :)
Assuming that abs did all that they can do to forsee all the possible mishaps...
If the argument holds true that ignorance is not an excuse to a homicide,
i believe this argument could also be used in the case of the wowowee tragedy.
(At this point, the court/s will decide if abs is liable for the deaths after the case is filed)
In addition...
Managers are paid at a premium not only because of their knowledge and experience
but also because they are EXPECTED to make the RIGHT DECISIONS.
Managers are set apart from the staff (and even the masa) because
they know how to decide and execute things effectively and efficiently.
Managers should not make excuses if they made a wrong decision
because anybody can make an excuse. Para saan pa na naging manager sila?
"Covering Your Ass" as a work philosophy are practiced by WEAK MANAGERS and LEADERS.
When GOOD MANAGERS or LEADERS make a wrong decision,
i believe they adhere to COMMAND RESPONSIBILITY.
(and i respected gabby lopez for what he did on national tv)
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That's right, bosing.
It's easy to say what ABS should have done -- now that a stampede has already claimed many lives. Did you hear anyone say anything before it happened?
You know what they say about 20/20 hindsight: "Everyone's a genius after the fact".
i believe this is called "history".
a "genius" analyze how things happened so they can learn from it.
it is up to us on how we will approach the lessons of history:
would we choose to
1. have a "genius" who will tell us what had happened and how it can be prevented ? OR
2. have someone who is angry and not tell us how it can be prevented?
(who would you pick?)
i agree that it is easy to point out what should have been done.
we can not do anything about the past.
but we can do something about the present and the future. :)
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Here are some things that I read about the incident:
The crowd was stepping over the bodies and insisting on entering the stadium. Inside, as the host was crying, the audience insisted on continuing the show. Several members of the audience are not poor and are balikbayans.
The show has returned because of increasing demand from television viewers wanting it returned. Again, some of these viewers are not impoverished.
The number of Filipinos, both rich and poor, who support the show appear to overwhelm those who are critical of it. Many who make money from the show as sponsors or who work with broadcasters are part of the middle class.
There appears to be more to this than desperation due to poverty, the need to make a profit, mismanagement, lack of discipline, and so on. For example, the original title of this thread ("entertaining ourselves to death") may allude to Postman's book Amusing Ourselves to Death, and many apply not only to those who are addicted to this game show but also to those who are addicted to other forms of television entertainment, such as U.S. sitcoms, dramas, and sports.
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Whatever happened to Ultra Stampede? Has justice been served?
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and a new one... ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZb58E8rhGQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZb58E8rhGQ)
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DoJ clears TV host Willie Revillame in Pasig stampede
August 24, 2007
Updated 13:55:31 (Mla time)
Tetch Torres
INQUIRER.net
MANILA, Philippines -- The Department of Justice (DoJ) has absolved comedian Willie Revillame from any liability in connection with the Feb. 4, 2006 stampede at the Philippine Sports Arena in Pasig City.
The incident left 71 people dead and more than 600 injured.
In a resolution, Justice Secretary Raul Gonzalez granted Revillame's appeal and dismissed the case of reckless imprudence resulting in multiple homicide and multiple physical injuries filed against him for lack of probable cause.
Gonzalez ordered the DoJ prosecutors to withdraw the case against Revillame and report their compliance within 10 days.
Revillame said the three episodes of the show "Wowowee" where he had asked people to go to the PhilSports Arena had been pre-taped, negating a resolution that held him liable for inviting more even when he had known that there were thousands waiting outside.
The stampede occurred as people who were camped for days outside the PhilSports Arena to attend the first anniversary of the popular noontime show pushed each other to get in.
Only Revillame was absolved because he was the only one who filed an appeal.
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and a new one... ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZb58E8rhGQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZb58E8rhGQ)
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What a shame! >:(
He's a filthy little liar anyway.
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Nakalusot na naman si Kolokoy! I believe what one relative of a victim said in news, he is the one who vehemently encouraged the 'masa' to join him and play in Wowowee, not the people behind-the-camera so he should also be included! My sister used to watch Wowowee in TFC pero nawalan na rin ng gana dahil paawa effect si Willie. Hindi na siya nakaka-Willie. >:(