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Home Theater => Audio => Tubes => Topic started by: lakambini on Sep 01, 2006 at 05:15 PM
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jojod818
ask ko lang po kung ano sonic advantge of adding a tube buffer for cdp. gumagawa din po ba kayo nito? magkano po kasi i want to uprade the sound of my decade-old harman cdp. thanks!
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jojod818
ask ko lang po kung ano sonic advantge of adding a tube buffer for cdp. gumagawa din po ba kayo nito? magkano po kasi i want to uprade the sound of my decade-old harman cdp. thanks!
hi,
first, a tube buffer must have a high input impedance and a low output impedance. the input of the buffer presents a high impedance load to your source such as your cdp and should improve your bass rolloff. this should also prevent any capacitive loading which may occur with highly capacitive interconnects thus preserving your highs. in it's casual configuration, a tube has been said to be a natural digital noise filter.
from a technical standpoint, the source should not "see" the tube buffer while the preceeding stage (i.e. amp) will not overload the output of the buffer due to it's low impedance.
it is rather prudent that I warn you, things like this are subjective in nature so as always, YMMV.
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Im also using a harman cd player, hd755, and i got a tube buffer from jojo, for me malaki ang improvement, though i cant explain it in technical details, what i notice is naging refined ung highs which used to be harsh sounding, mas crisp ung bass at mas musical ang dating ng music. well ung lang ang na notice ko, isang gabi ko pa lang naman napapakinggan, mas mag iimprove pa daw after a while, sulit sa pera
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i also owned a tube buffer made by jojoD. i'm not an odyofayl and doesn't know how to write a review. all i can say is there is a difference when using it and the difference is GOOOOD ;D
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sir,
magkano ba ang tube buffer na 'to?
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i second the question of abj104. sana po masagot kahit one year anniv. na ang thread na ito. ;D
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lakambini, abj104 and gearhead,
you need to pm JojoD as this is not the place or forum to conduct such transactions (buy/sell).
Regards, JoeyGS
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If you can try Dbx III or Pioneer EX9000 Dynamic Bass Expander, its purpose is cancelled the that goes with the audio signal, retrieve and refine the sonic impact of all frequency. I'm satisfied with its perfomance in Audio CD playing and even my TTable is connected to it. :o ;D
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lakambini, abj104 and gearhead,
you need to pm JojoD as this is not the place or forum to conduct such transactions (buy/sell).
Regards, JoeyGS
sir joey... with due respect po, we're not dealing with sir jojo pa naman about the item. more like we're interested to know the outlay if we're to get this kind of investment. now, if we find the cost attractive... we can go ahead and deal directly with the master about ordering one.
peace. :)
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can't wait for the tube buffer to come out "custom-made" by jojod. ;)
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dyaraan!!!
sa wakas, malapit ko nang malasahan ang pinakahihintay kong sandali sa aking buhay-odyo! :P ;D
hindi pa man, nais na kitang pasalamatan doc jojo! ;)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/maj_el/Chiefscdbuffer.jpg)
(pics courtesy of jojod)
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dyaraan!!!
sa wakas, malapit ko nang malasahan ang pinakahihintay kong sandali sa aking buhay-odyo! :P ;D
hindi pa man, nais na kitang pasalamatan doc jojo! ;)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/maj_el/Chiefscdbuffer.jpg)
(pics courtesy of jojod)
Had this played for several days now. kumbaga bini-break in pa lang. Personally, my impression for this gear is that it acts like a digital noise filter. Instantly, naging clear kasi yung vocals at background music nya. It complimented very well my onkyo c-200 cdp & d9.6 ko. So, yung tracks nina Susan Wong, Nora Jones, Josh Groban, Paul Potts & the likes sounded like heaven to me! ;) :) :D it's really a bang for the bucks! ;)
Sabi ng iba, hintayin ko pa daw ma-break in ng husto at saka ko mas madarama ang lubos na kaligayahan! ;D ;D ;D
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same observation here bro with my jdlabs tube buffer paired with a shanling cds-100 cdp.
here's the pic with the original case
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/weng2x/DSCF2777.jpg)
now, re-cased using ATI chassis
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/weng2x/home%20audio/shanlingcdp.jpg)
bago na pala ang design ni jojo. naka stick out na ang mga tubes. galing ;)
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actually sir gnew, it was on my insistence to have it installed that way to look like a tube pre-amp/amp kaya sinabi ko na custom-made. dagdag pogi-points ba! ;D ;D ;D but of course for an additional fee! ;) :D
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good idea sir, astig looking buffer ;)
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good idea sir, astig looking buffer ;)
thank you sir gnew! thanks so much din to sir jojod for patiently dealing with my kakulitan! shukran sadiq! ;) :)
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thank you sir gnew! thanks so much din to sir jojod for patiently dealing with my kakulitan! shukran sadiq! ;) :)
congrats chief! break-in pa kailangan niyan.... kailan ba namin maririnig yang setup mo???............ ayaw mo na ba mag ersop??? hehehe.
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congrats chief! break-in pa kailangan niyan.... kailan ba namin maririnig yang setup mo???............ ayaw mo na ba mag ersop??? hehehe.
kayo lang naman mahirap i-sked kid! ;D baka enero balik-loob na ako ;D ;D ;D
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Chief,
Parinig naman setup mo..
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Chief,
Parinig naman setup mo..
oo naman! ikaw pa! ang natatanging advisor ko sa mga bagay-bagay na ito! ;D ;D ;D sa madaling salita, ang nagtulak sa bisyong ito! >:(
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Hahaha!!! galit yung smiley mo fafi.....
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Hahaha!!! galit yung smiley mo fafi.....
mwehehe! halata ba fafs? ;D ;D ;D
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Hi all,
I recently received my cd tube buffer courtesy of JojoD a few days ago. All i can say is whoa!!!! :) First night pa lang of breaking in, i already started to hear the difference, subtle details in the music had suddenly appeared and the soudstage was better than ever. Glad to say that after a few more days of breaking in and it only got better. The highs were more refined and the voice transformed from harsh to silky smooooth. a great add on indeed.
maraming salamat Sir JojoD. Mabuhay Pinoy Audiophiles!!! :)
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Hi dex,
Welcome to PinoyDVD sir! Glad to hear you liked your tube buffer... :)
Thanks
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im using a Musical Fidelity Tube buffer with an
ordinary Phillips DVD player....
immidiately noticed the improved SQ too!
a friend said that with a Tube upgrade, it will sound better !!!
im now in a hunt for those tubes.... ;D
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Sir Jojo,
Pa pm din naman price ng Tube at SS cd buffer mo ?
Thanks
;D
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Sir jojo I've heard your tube buffer for cdp several times on different players and it all
sounded gooood! Sana magkaroon din ako in the future! Mabuhay kayo sir .........
aprub!
Sir Jojo,
Pa pm din naman price ng Tube at SS cd buffer mo ?
Thanks
;D
PM sent.
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sir jojo,
gud am, does this tube buffer has a similar effect as a tube preamp minus the volume control? would the sound quality improve further if i replace the tubes with better nos? tnx
regards
btw, paano nga pala namin papalitan ung tubes kasi parang di ko mabuksan ung casing eh, hehe
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sir jojo,
gud am, does this tube buffer has a similar effect as a tube preamp minus the volume control? would the sound quality improve further if i replace the tubes with better nos? tnx
regards
btw, paano nga pala namin papalitan ung tubes kasi parang di ko mabuksan ung casing eh, hehe
nope, most tube preamps have gain (with the exemption of the Decware ZSLA-1 among others) , the tube buffer has unity gain. 1 in, 1 out only. tube rolling is always welcome sir.
screws are inside the plastic footings...
regards
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sir, sent you pm, need to know the price baka kayanin ng budget. Thanks! :D
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sir, sent you pm, need to know the price baka kayanin ng budget. Thanks! :D
mura lang yan bro! kaya mo 'yan! ganyan din ako nung una. ;D
bang for the buck ika nga! ;)
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hi. for the people who are using the master's cd tube buffer. how many are using tube amps?
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After testing my cd buffer (courtesy of Jojo D) for more than a month now, I would say that it was one of the best decision I made in relation with improving the audio quality of my system. It really complemented my gear (AMX 6L6 tube amp & Denon PCM-DCD 770 cd player) using a wharfdale 9.5 diamond series floorstanding speakers!
Thanks to Jojo for the patience in answering and explaining ALL my questions related to the tube buffer!!!! More so, of the option of using a NOS (with additional investment of course) tube. Money well spent!!!!!!
Kudos to Jojo D!!!!!!!
Big Berto
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sir, sent you pm, need to know the price baka kayanin ng budget. Thanks! :D
mura lang yan bro! kaya mo 'yan! ganyan din ako nung una. ;D
bang for the buck ika nga! ;)
Sir Jojo,
Got me interested again in your cd tube buffer, same price parin po ba?
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Sir Jojo,
Got me interested again in your cd tube buffer, same price parin po ba?
PM sent. Thank you.
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naku sir jaklord, wag na patumpik-tumpik pa at ikaw naman ay 'di magsisisi. :D
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Sir Jojo,
Got me interested again in your cd tube buffer, same price parin po ba?
Boss, Im also a user of sir Jojo's cd buffer. Its one of the best decision ive ever made when it comes to audio gears, hindeng hinde ka magsisisi! then dress it up with an aluminum casing like what boss gnew did.
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How much po and tube buffer for cd player? ty.
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pm how much .......
thanks
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PM sent
Thanks
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Sir Jojo,
ako din interested. PM mo din sakin. Tnx
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Pa-pm din sir ng price! Baka kayanain (sana) hehe
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dyaraan!!!
sa wakas, malapit ko nang malasahan ang pinakahihintay kong sandali sa aking buhay-odyo! :P ;D
hindi pa man, nais na kitang pasalamatan doc jojo! ;)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/maj_el/Chiefscdbuffer.jpg)
(pics courtesy of jojod)
Sir Jojo. Pwede ba ma-tweak yong Tube Buffer na nabili kay Chief para madagdagan ang LINE IN nya ng isa(1) pa plus TOGLE SWITCH para ma-select ko ang INPUT choice ko. In case pwede pa, please PM for the price.
Thanks and more power to you.
;D
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wala ba for sale na 2nd hand ?
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hi. for the people who are using the master's cd tube buffer. how many are using tube amps?
follow-up on the question ;)
may difference ba when you're already using a tube amp?
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follow-up on the question ;)
may difference ba when you're already using a tube amp?
+1 ;)
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in my experience meron pa din, especially if your source cdp is a bit harsh on the highs...
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thanks for the response master! ;D
currently trying this out...so far ang na notice ko pa lang is parang nag increase ng volume.
anyone else care to share? ;)
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hi si jojo!
pa pm din po ng price. thanks!
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Will this setup work if I connected an IPOD to it? If yes, is there a major SQ improvement?
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Please PM the price. Thanks
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Will this setup work if I connected an IPOD to it? If yes, is there a major SQ improvement?
Yes it will work with an iPod but of course the quality will also depend on the way your files are encoded. A low bitrate file will always sound "synthesized" no matter what. I use aac at 320kbps for my collection before I transferring to my iPod.
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Thanks for the input, Jojo.
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Hi jojo,
Interested po ako sa cd tube buffer. Pa PM naman po ng price. Tnx.
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PM sent sir.
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sir JoJo
pa pm din ng price ng tube buffer mo.
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sir JoJo
pa pm din ng price ng tube buffer mo.
Sent na po sir.
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won't it conflict with the "character" of the music when paired to a tube preamp? my set up kasi is tube preamp then SS poweramp. Won't the tube preamps have inherent characteristics to "buffer" the signal from the cdp when it goes through its inputs?
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the objective of adding a buffer is for maximum power transfer from the buffer's input to output. hence, if youll be using the buffer inbetween your preamp and power amps, your preamp's capacity to deliver maximum power to you power amps will be improved.
how? the input impedance of a buffer is extremely high as its output impedance is extremely low. if this is not the case, then there will be no purpose of adding a "buffer".
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how? the input impedance of a buffer is extremely high as its output impedance is extremely low. if this is not the case, then there will be no purpose of adding a "buffer".
How would you know this?
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you add a buffer because you don't want the output of your source say a phono preamp to be loaded down by your interconnecting cables, specialy if those cables are quite long...... ;)
in other instances you do not need a buffer at all.... :D
but buffers do add flavoring if you will.... ;D
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In the case of a CD player and a Pre-amp or Integrated Amplifier, both gears would have specifications and the corresponding input and output impedance are indicated accordingly. You can then compare the data whether it matches. These can also be applied between a preamp and a power amp.
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but buffers do add flavoring if you will.... ;D
Hi sir Tony,
In your experience would a pure SS tube buffer also add flavoring similar to tubed ones?
Thanks and regards,
JoeyGS
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Hi sir Tony,
In your experience would a pure SS tube buffer also add flavoring similar to tubed ones?
Thanks and regards,
JoeyGS
you mean pure ss or pure tube? either way they present different falvors....
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you mean pure ss or pure tube? either way they present different falvors....
Yes Pure SS buffer. But would a pure SS buffer present a more natural sound quality over the Tubed buffer?
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how? the input impedance of a buffer is extremely high as its output impedance is extremely low. if this is not the case, then there will be no purpose of adding a "buffer".
How would you know this?
you check the specs of the buffer....its input and output impedances.
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Yes Pure SS buffer. But would a pure SS buffer present a more natural sound quality over the Tubed buffer?
bro, may pure na branded SS buffer, made in australia. mukhang babanat ka nito ah..hehe
i think the Vseries of MF is an SS buffer din as opposed to their X series.
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bro, may pure na branded SS buffer, made in australia. mukhang babanat ka nito ah..hehe
i think the Vseries of MF is an SS buffer din as opposed to their X series.
What brand is the one made in australia? What I am aware of is the B1 of Nelson Pass and likewise the MF V10D.
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i forgot the brand of the one made from australia. i saw it in 1 of the "music direct" magazines at home. it looks promising..
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Yes Pure SS buffer. But would a pure SS buffer present a more natural sound quality over the Tubed buffer?
tube buffers present more warmth, ss have less colorations, so it depends on your tastes......
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tube buffers present more warmth, ss have less colorations, so it depends on your tastes......
Thanks :)
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Sir Jojo pa pm naman ng tube buffer at location nyo po tnx.