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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: dannielsimone on Dec 02, 2006 at 09:29 AM
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Visited the local sony shop and they had the new X series LCD. I tested the 40 inch LCD as well as the 50 and 60 inch SXRD rear projection...both are 1080P. Will start of with rear projections reviews. For picture quality..using a real DVD....(matrix movie and a pirated red hot chilli pepper concert)I rated the SXRD a very good 8.25 and for color we also rate it a 8.5. Very good stuff.
Then went to Ansons...We then tested a toshiba 64 inch DLP rear projection (1080p)and it was pretty good......but rated a 7.25 for picture quality and color.. Also noticed too much pixelization.
Then we tested the newest JVC 56 inch rear projection (1080P) and this rated a 7.5 for picture quaity anda 7.5 for color. The clear winner of this test for rear projection was the Sony SXRD.
We then tested the New X series LCD 1080P against the current standard (780P) sets of JVC...Aquos...toshiba.
Toshiba..rated a 7.25
jvc rated a 7.5
aquos rated a 7.75
NOW>>>>>Checked out the new X series and it was lined up side by side to all there current LCD....the V series.....the S series. all were hooked up the same DVD player. AND WE SET ALL THE TVS TO THE MIDDLE RANGE ON ALL SETTINGS TO 50. When comparing the three........
S series rated a 8.0 for picture quality and a 8.25 for color (189,000 peso)
V series rated a 8.25 for picture and a 8.25 for color ( 219,000 peso)
and the x series rated a 9.25 for picture quality (minimal pixelization) and a 9.0 for color.....(and this is on setting that we did not tweak ) (279.000 peso)
The X series was really a beautiful picture.....truly impressive.
Must say the LCD was looking smooth as silk.
To me and it was all to obvious that the v sereis and s series displayed a pixelization in bright areas where the X series did not.
These opinions are based on using a standard DVD player and a standard DVD. No doubt that when using a High Def dvd player and then a high def DVD the results the scoring gap for the testing of units would probably be wider??
Any you guys test the Sony series against each other?
Have you compared picture of new Sony SXRD to that of other brands like toshiba or others......
lets hear your verdicts!!!!
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Im actually torn between the 50" sxrd and the 40" X Series. I guess i will test both on a xbox 360 before i purchase. What sony store were you able to test at?
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I did the side by side comparison at Ansons in Alabang Town center. It is great...The 40 inch X series side by side with the 40 inch V series >the 40 inch S series and the 60 inch SXRD. It is a real eye opener.
Am on the brink of having a X series tested on my sky platinum connection. If it works will be buying one. Will keep you updated.
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great keep us up to date. i might buy the 40" X series and the dvp-ns76h upscaling hdmi dvd player hopefully before the promo ends :)
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Toink....wait for my go ahead.
Where do you live?
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bf pque
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Pahingi naman ng details nung promo Toink. Thanks. :)
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www.sony.com.ph and click on the christmas treasures banner
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Many thanks. :)
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Today I have a scheduled home demo (on my sky platinum) for the 40 inch V series and the 60 inch SXRD. My interest is not to buy the V series but as they have no X series in stock the V serves as a test substitute.
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Can't wait for the feedback dannielsimone ;)
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Re: Clarity of picture with Sky Platinum (Help)
« Reply #15 on: Today at 10:51:05 PM »
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OK.....in a nutshell. Had the 60 inch SXRD on the floor and the 40 inch V series on the the table. Had a great view of both sitting on my couch approximately 10 feet away. I was with my wife and the two installers (who had installed many a TV) and my electrician. I fed the sky platinum signal in to both units using the standard RCA plugs. The 40 inch LCD had a very clear picture with absolutely no snow or interference. Some channels looked better than others. The SXRD had a similar picture but was a shade or two darker. That is exactly what I hoped for!. However the picture Quality was really strange. Color contrast looked pretty good on close ups but became Hazy when switching scenes or as the camera moved side to side. Skin/flesh tones looked one dimensional with Very Little facial detail visible. The news casters on CNN looked like manicans. Very Very weird. Too me it was a bit disturbing. Watched a basketball game and it looked good when the camera was taking a close up shot but when panning across the crowd or just viewing the game(half court view) as so you could see the whole squad interplay the picture got a little fuzzy and most of the detail was lost. In fact you could not even read the names on there jerseys. I Then watched Italian football on Star sports. It was worse than the basketball game. Close up shots looked good but when the camera panned across the field to, get "the big picture" a brutal ghosting or shadowing effect came in to play on every players bright jersey. The ghosting was worse on the SXRD than on the LCD but was evident none the less. Installer tried tweaking for about an hour but could do very little. I found it hard to enjoy the game. Now having said all that this review is just my opinion of a first watch on a HD using a SD signal...perhaps I need to get used to the colors and lack of detail. It may have been just the shell shock of seeing my 29 inch wega sitting idle in the corner(LOL).
Pulled out the platinum box and viewed regular sky cable. Snowy picture appeared but after fine tuning did not look terrible. Some channels looked real good. Shutting off the room lighting helped a lot. Saw full detail. Color was back to normal. Seemed to be a major relief for me. Told my wife to put away the Valium.
Plugged in the 29 inch Wega and watchwed it next to the others. On my scale of 1-10..(when viewing sky cable/platinum...the 29 inch being a 10 for clarity .. I rated the LCD a 8 and the SXRD a 7.5.
FOLKS I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO AGREE TO WATCH CABLE TV ON A REGULAR BASIS USING THESE DISPLAYS. PICTURES WERE NOT AWFUL OR HORRIBLE...JUST NOT WHAT I AM USED TOO.
OK FOLKS....THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS TO GET INTERESTING.
INSTALLER PLUGS IN THE NEWEST TOSHIBA 1080P PLAYER. BOURNE IDENTITY. LOOKED REAL GOOD ON THE LCD. BUT ON THE 60 INCH SXRD PICTURE WAS BRILLIANT. I WAS BLOWN . AUDIO WAS PRETTY GOOD BUT NOT GREAT. DEFINITELY GONNA NEED THE HT .
TOLD THE INSTALLER TO PUT THE LCD BACK IN ITS BOX AND LETS REALLY SEE WHAT THE 60 INCH COULD DO (WITH MY LIMITED TECHNOLOGY). I ALSO TOLD HIM TO PUT THE TOSHIBA IN ITS BOX AND WATCH ON A STANDARD DVD PLAYER. MUST SAY I WAS BLOWN AWAY. MY DVDS LOOKED INCREDIBLE. MY VCDS LOOKED BETTER THAN EVER. THATS RIGHT FOLKS I REPEAT MY VCDS!!! THE COLOR ON THIS TV WAS INCREDIBLE. THE BLACKS WERE REALLY BLACK. SKIN TONE WAS PERFECT. ABSOLUTELY NO GHOSTING OR SHADOWS ON MATRIX, CONSTANTINE, LORD OF THE RINGS AND THE REST. and ANOTHER THING.....NO PIXELIZATION SIGHTINGS....AT ALL!. I REALLY WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH THIS SET AND IT WAS ALL USING STANDARD MATERIAL. MY WIFE AND THREE KIDS DID NOT WANT TO END THE NIGHT. I WILL RECOMMEND TO ALL TO TRY THIS ONE AND COMPARE IT TO ANY OTHER REAR PROJECTION ON THE MARKET. YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED .
NEEDLESS TO SAY.........THE TEST ENDED AND I NOW AM THE PROUD OWNER OF "THE ULTIMATE TV"!
OH YES...ALMOST FORGOT.....I GOT A GREAT DEAL FOR CASH. AM LOVING LIFE! AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE WHERE AND HOW MUCH WITH YOU. DROP ME AN EMAIL..IT IS ON MY PROFILE.
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
http://www.sony.com.ph/wega/detail.asp?product_id=1463&cat_id=3&subcat_id=76&subcat2_id=0
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Bro, sent you an email ;) ;D
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Sir,
Congats on the SXRD.
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Kaka-inggit! :) I guess the 2.5ms response time helped you in selecting the SXRD...it minimizes the pixellations :) but this SXRD is slightly thicker than the LCD's and Plasmas right? comaprable to a samsung slimfit tv i guess...
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Boglers......the SXRD 60 INCH REAR PROJECTION is about about 20 inches thick and the X series LCD is about 4 1/2 inches thick. NOT SURE ABOUT SAMSUNG SLIM FIT.
THE X SERIES HAS THE BEST PICTURE OF ANY LCD I HAVE SEEN AND THE SXRD HAS THE BEST PICTURE OF ANY REAR PROJECTION. THE CHOICE AT FIRST WAS VERY DIFFICULT. I CHOSE THE SXRD BECAUSE IT IS PROVIDING MUCH MORE SCREEN IN MY BIG HT ROOM WHERE FAMILY AND FRIENDS COULD MOST APPRECIATE IT. THE 40 INCH UNIT JUST A WEEEEE BIT TO SMALL FOR MY HT.
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Re: Clarity of picture with Sky Platinum (Help)
« Reply #15 on: Today at 10:51:05 PM »
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NEEDLESS TO SAY.........THE TEST ENDED AND I NOW AM THE PROUD OWNER OF "THE ULTIMATE TV"!
OH YES...ALMOST FORGOT.....I GOT A GREAT DEAL FOR CASH. AM LOVING LIFE! AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE WHERE AND HOW MUCH WITH YOU. DROP ME AN EMAIL..IT IS ON MY PROFILE.
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
http://www.sony.com.ph/wega/detail.asp?product_id=1463&cat_id=3&subcat_id=76&subcat2_id=0
Congrats on the purchase....the SXRD microdisplays are really nice I was torn between the SXRD and the Bravia and could have gone either way but in the end went with the Bravia LCD TV (KDL46XBR2) due to size and wall mountable. I was surprise about the weight of the SXRD they are pretty light. Well enjoy ur new Sony!!
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tanong lang sir,
what store did you purchase it from ?
am surprised they allow you to demo the units at home.
baka pwede na ring humingi ng 30 days money back guarantee next time :)
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TSXdriver....You got the KDL46BXR2..that is the American model numbr for the SXRD rear projection?????
You got an LCD right?
You got me confused? Where did you buy your unit and what is the accurate madel number. Just wondering what the deal is.
Enjoy the Sony. They are great!
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TSXdriver....You got the KDL46BXR2..that is the American model numbr for the SXRD rear projection?????
You got an LCD right?
You got me confused? Where did you buy your unit and what is the accurate madel number. Just wondering what the deal is.
Enjoy the Sony. They are great!
Yes I have the Bravia LCD TV (KDL-46XBR2) bought it from an online Etailer (http://www.vanns.com/shop/index.jsp) 2 weeks ago. The bravia line up are also offered in 52" in XBR2 and 3. It is also offered as the lower end S and V series model.
The SXRD (microdisplay) model # line up are KDS-50A2000, 55A2000, 60A2000 and the higher end KDS-60XBR2 & 70XBR2. All of these are assembled in Mexico.
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So TSXdriver..you bought it in the states.
How is the picture quality?
Are you happy with purchase?
Any negatives about it?
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So TSXdriver..you bought it in the states.
How is the picture quality?
Are you happy with purchase?
Any negatives about it?
PQ is outstanding.....HD sources was just awesome its like looking on a window. SD sources not too bad either. I'm happy with the purchase, did a lot of research first before making the plunge.....visited a friend in Seattle 2 months ago and he had a 60" SXRD which I was blown away on the PQ of the TV. I didn't buy the SXRD due to the size (width) of the chasis which wouldn't fit in my A/V entertainment center and changing the lamp after so many hours didn't favor me as well....plus Sony charge a fortune for the replaceable lamps. The LCD has a lifespan of 80,000hrs according to Sony. The only negative for the LCD is the high price associated with it...check this out the 52" (KDL-52XBR2) runs about $6,500. I could have bought a plasma in the first place (Pioneer or Panasonic) but I was leery of the burn in issue. Wish you have HD sources and get the full potential of ur TV, hopefully HDTV broadcast will come soon there in 'Pinas.
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not bad, if the claim of 80,000 hours is true, that's about 9 years if used everyday for 24 hours, or in my case 27 years if used everyday for 8 hours..... i would be in my 60's by then hehehe. ;D
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OK....got my 60 inch SXRD at "sights and sounds" in Edsa Shangrila fourth floor. It retails for 269,000 peso but using the voucher "program" they gave me an incredible deal ( a deal no one else could even come close to matching). I am still smiling 10 days later. Am thrilled at the PQ.
Today I demoed the JVC 70 inch Full HD (1080) as well as the new Samsung 66 inch(?) and it was pale in comparrison to the SXRD.
Must say the 70 inch Hitatchi was better than than the JVC or Samsung but had to stand back about 15 feet. It to simply was no match to the SXRD.
I know I must sound like a cheer leader for Sony but I speak from the heart. No games...No Bull.
If you are considering a Sony product get to "sights and sounds" and negotiate by making use of those X-mass voucher programs. I dealt with Paul. He is a pretty good fellow.
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I also received this 50k+ worth of discount voucher when I bought my
Sony LCD last October.
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nels.....How did you use the vouchers? Did you have to buy other products to make use of them.....or were they deducted from the price of your LCD?
And where did you buy it?
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I used the voucher to buy other Sony Items.
It was not deducted from the price of the LCD.
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bro sent you an email too =)
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iamlet.....check your email.
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iamlet...sent you an email.
Have a great day!
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may nakapag sabi sa akin na may problema daw yung mga display unit ng mga XRD model sa mga branches ng western appliances(limited lang kc ang may display ng XRD di lahat ng appliance store meron ni sm nga wala), bigla na lang daw nag shut down nireport nila 'tong issue sa office nila pero mukhang sinisecret nila 'to..... :-\ kaya sa mga bibili dyan check nyo maige mahirap na laking investment 'to ;D HAPPY NEW YEAR ;)
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Rok...perhaps you can find out some more info?
Thanx
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so far yun lang ang nasagap kong info, nasa sony kc yung friend ko nakwento nya sa akin regarding sa issue ng XRD sa mga branch ng western :o try nyo rin itanong sa sales ref ng sony sa mga western pero i duda akong aminin nila yan...
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thanx rok.....you b da man!
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pictures of my Sony Bravia and Mitsubishi RPTV.....
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(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5634/sonybraviahidefpqns9.jpg)
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(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4368/mitsubishirptvinsdzr5.jpg)
(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/7497/mitsurptvinhdml4.jpg)
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Wow..that looks like the Bravia X series to me.
Some say it is the best HD picture in the market today! TSXdriver...you be da man!!!
Are you loving life or what?
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Wow..that looks like the Bravia X series to me.
Some say it is the best HD picture in the market today! TSXdriver...you be da man!!!
Are you loving life or what?
Thanks dude.......your SXRD is an awesome unit also and HD sources is just as stunning as the Bravia. My pictures just doesn't do justice to show you how beautiful these Sony sets are for watching HD content. I mentioned in my earlier post my friend has an SXRD and I was just blown away on its PQ....thats where I got the idea to buy a new TV otherwise I would have stick with my old Mitsu RPTV for several more years. Well enjoy your SXRD (btw I saw the SXRD hooked to a Bluray DVD and it was just like looking to a window).
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TSX Driver....Thanx for those nice words about the SXRD. I must say That a full line of 1080 P LCD's and rear projections are now hitting the local market but I have viewed a few and can only say that they are just not as good as our Sony's. ;D My HT is full of speakers and receivers as I am looking to add some finishing touches. Check out the situation.
am pretty tired as it has been a long long day but wanted to keep you updated in "real time".
As you know I am no Audiophile and would be hard pressed to find the vocabulary to compare the products I am demoing so please put up with my novice approach.
Firstly.....a few hic ups today. Not enough speaker wire in the truck. They were to bring a spool but they only brought 20 meters when needing 25-30 . ...oh well.....
Bought some speaker brackets from perfect vision which would have been great....but the back of the atoms/titans are a polymer type resin not wood so to drill a hole was not recommended. The ADP 370 surround dipole was also of the same polymer substance on the back so again could not drill( and the bracket that the 370 comes with is not adjustable ...having said that... Never should have bought brackets in the first place as Paradigm provides a swivel bracket mount upon request for both the atom and the titan..DUH! So no worries here. Must order them. Unfortunatley for me the Paradigm supplier is closed till Jan 2 or 3
Unwrap the Onkyo and the black one I ordered turned silver ....no biggy the demo will go on!!!!
Set up the speakers with the Atom as surrounds. The titan is just a bit too big as I feared with my limited head room and space.
Unwrapped the Denon receiver and thought it looked great. Powered it up and the sound was real clean with the few CD's I played.. At 110 watts per channel I thought this baby was about to blow me out of the water but must say....it did not. ( These are CD's that I and family had listened to many a time for many a year.). System sounded real good though. Went on to some movie clips to see how the surrounds would work and they did the trick. Speakers and receiver seemed to go pretty well with each other. Played a live Rock concert on DVD which is crystal clear in respect to quality. Like the 90 watt Denon I auditioned in the paradigm shop I slowly cranked it up to full volume. Was really surprised when the volume indicator stopped moving. I was looking for the additional 10 watts you had recommended to me before). Must also say that on the highest volume the speakers seemed to break up...got muddy...and I was huffing and puffing with what I hoped was Adrenalin. Unfortunately the Adrenalin was really ....well......dissapointment. My son looked at me and said....that didn't sound to good there dad. Asked myself Why were the monitor 7's whimpering out?
Decided to give the Onkyo a try. As soon as I put on the same DVD at low levels I noticed a major difference in the body and tone of the music. Raised the volume higher and higher and as I did the smile on my face got bigger and bigger. Cranked up the music to about 90% which was louder than the Denon at full volume and had no break up or muddy sound. Clear as a bell it was. Cranked up the volume to full and it sounded real good.....no distortion at all. Tossed on the "red hot Chili peppers live at Slain Castle and it was killer. Wife and kids came right out and said the Onkyo was better for them. In my opinuion it was also better for me...big time! Very different than the Denon...much more Alive and open....and more powerful to boot. Proceeded to listen to the same CD's as before of Usher (to test the sub) some rock, and even some pop (Madonna for the wife) and it was all kick Asssss take no prisoners.
Am happy with the Paradigm speakers and am pleased with the Onkyo. The combo to "my ears" seems to be the "REAL DEAL"!
REVIEW OF THE ONKYO 803
Part 1 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/onkyo-tx-sr803-receiver-6-2006-part-1.html
Part 2 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/onkyo-tx-sr803-receiver-6-2006-part-2.html
Part 3 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/onkyo-tx-sr803-receiver-6-2006-part-3.html
DUDE....LET ME WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR AND LOTS OF FUN WITH YOUR MEGA TOY ;)
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Happy New Year to you also!! looks like you got some serious equipment to set up...enjoy putting it together ;D. One advantage about here is before you buy AV equipment you can audition it in the store...they usually have several rooms with equipment - AV receivers Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo, etc., connected to speakers. I bought the Yamaha model #RX-V1000 as my AV receiver (it is 4 yrs. old now) but still works, main and rear (surround) speakers are Infinity (time to change them in the near future), center speaker - Boston Acoustics and sub is from M&K. From experience and advice from other people they said to trust your ears and do a lot of research so looks like your in the right path my man....Good Luck on your HT set up.
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does sony SXRD have burn in issue? lcd projection tv man kaya ito
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SXRD is a rear projecion TV which does not have a burn issue like plasma. It is a relatively new technology so no one knows what will happen years from now.
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a few questions that hope to merit some answers
I am not torn between a 52inches Bravia 1080p and XSRD 60 inches. How pc inputs fared? kasi sa Bravia lcd it's hi def daw thru it's HD PC 15 input. Is this the same as the XSRD? another thing, ano ba tlaga different ni XSRD at ni Bravia?
thanks
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Mga pre,
Ingat lang sa mga LCD projection. Both Rear and Front. Continuous use will cause color decay. Naninilaw ba. Ito yun finding ng research na ginawa ng several firms. They compared DLP and LCD. Maganda talaga LCD pag bago but after several thousands of hours, color decay will set in.
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Wow TSXdriver, Sony X series my dream hdtv..Excellent, nice tv