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Title: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: kyle618 on Dec 03, 2006 at 01:23 AM
which is better? both are selling for roughly the same price? may nagsabi sa akin mas ok daw yun 427 pero based on the specs the 436 wins hands down.

tama ba? we're planning on getting one soon.
Title: Re: Pioneer PDP-4360HDG or PDP-4270HD?
Post by: tambutsoo on Dec 03, 2006 at 10:45 PM
how much?
Title: Re: Pioneer PDP-4360HDG or PDP-4270HD?
Post by: kyle618 on Dec 06, 2006 at 10:48 PM
got it for 170k with the HTZ-656. good deal na ba? btw the 656 is 29k retail.
Title: Re: Pioneer PDP-4360HDG or PDP-4270HD?
Post by: qwerty765 on Dec 09, 2006 at 03:57 PM
Which one did you get? Share naman you're experience. A friend of mine is considering buying an LCD, he just can't decide on what brand. So far his considering Toshiba or Hitachi. Probably he'll consider Pioneer also if there's a good review.
Title: Re: Pioneer PDP-4360HDG or PDP-4270HD?
Post by: kyle618 on Dec 10, 2006 at 10:11 PM
well pioneer is the best for plasma. for lcd, i think its a tie between the samsung and the sony since they share the same screen.
Title: Re: Pioneer PDP-4360HDG or PDP-4270HD?
Post by: dB10 on Feb 16, 2007 at 08:33 PM
hi, where did you get your pio? thats a good deal indeed, does it have a local warranty or store warranty?
Title: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: louie777 on Nov 04, 2007 at 06:01 PM
Hello,

Newbie dito sa site na to, just registered pero matagal tagal narin ako nagbabasa sa forums na to and i have to say a lot of people are very informative and friendly.

Balak ko kasi major renovation ung room ko, and with that i want to buy a new flat panel tv this december to be the center piece of the room. Ang current choice ko is Pioneer's PDP-4270XD

(http://www.cinematica.ru/img/goods/734.jpg)

Any reviews or recommendation?

Based on several test para saakin malinaw tlaga pioneer kahit pirated or bootlegged dvds lang. Pero di ko pa nakita sa gaming.

The tv would be used 40 percent for gaming, 40 percent for movies and about 2o percent for cable viewing.

Any reviews? experience or recommendations?

BTW retail prices nya sa mall is 199,000 pero kapag cash makukuha daw for only 128k, thanks

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: RXV on Nov 04, 2007 at 10:38 PM
Sir, I suggest going to either Theater Works (Trinoma) or Sights & Sounds (Shangri-La), since they carry that brand. You could compare its picture quality to other brands (both plasma and LCD). It's best for your eyes to judge.  ::)

I heard that Pioneer Philippines offers excellent customer warranty support though. This could be one reason to buy a Pioneer (other than the excellent picture quality).

Good luck on your hunt. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: pekspert on Nov 05, 2007 at 07:02 AM
why dont you just wait for the coming new generation pioneer kuros? theyre much better but also more expensive...if you wait a little more that model's price should drop some more since its already last years model and would be phased out.

Those pioneers have good pq, the only reason i think most people dont consider them is becasue they cost more than the usual. If you can afford it then go for it.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 05, 2007 at 09:57 AM
the guys are right,

1. since pios are more pricey than the others, to justify your expense, you should do a side by side single source comparison if possible ( or better similar player with similar disc with similar cable will be the best but a little inconvenient sa store at syo since you will need 2 test discs of same quality kahit good copy pir---- dvd) others will always say its less than its price difference but you're the best judge on your money's worth.

2. new generation kuros are making raves but of course price is the factor... pq difference? you have to do the same side by side, dont let others tell you whats ok for you, if you listen to all the marketing things going around you'l go crazy and never be able to decide conclusively. there will never be a perfect panel only a panel that suits your needs and budget at the moment of purchase.  they will always depreciate everytime a new model comes out, what doesnt? just choose whats best to your eyes and pocket and enjoy your movies! so if you're getting this pio panel now that it's 50% off its intro price go for it kasi bargain na yan, although if you wait a little more baka mas bumaba pa or baka naman ma out of stock ka, hahahay ang daming factors! better have a good relationship with the store to give you either further discount or a tip when to come back (syempre malabo ito)

i dont think the pio will be priced the same as the others even at this point of its market life, may difference pa din, but basing on all models out last Feb07 in malls and specialty stores being sold at its price point and below, its worth the price difference they ask for dahil malinis talaga ang pq nya compared sa others, and since they say that 1080p is not discernable naman sa regular viewing distance natin (unless you watch 6 feet or less from your tv, calling Dr. Sarabia!) ayos na ang resolution nya, sayang lang ang gastos sa 1080full hd panel unless bargain na presyo sya(2-3 yrs fr now), sa HD player at HDdisc mo na lang gamitin budget mo.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 05, 2007 at 12:35 PM
got news that baka mag karoon nga ng clearance sale for that unit kasi darating na ung new models this november. So baka mga 100K nalang sya =)

If that is the case siguradong kunin ko na sya in a heart beat, kasi compared to sony, samsung and other lcd comparisons masmalinaw sya and hnd sya pixelated or grainy on some test done compared to others. Un lang nga masmataas sya sa iba pero worth it naman =)

Meron bang may ari ng unit na to? reviews or comments naman mga sir =)

Someone suggested pala to get a panasonic plasma since same price level pero masmalinaw daw panasonic? pero prang masmaganda design ng pioneer (Based on personal opinion lang, lam ko kasi raming may ari ng mga panasonic plasma sa forum na to =)

thanks again

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: RXV on Nov 05, 2007 at 12:53 PM
For me, the Pioneer is still the best plasma in terms of PQ, ganda ng colors at quality e.
Next is Panasonic.

Of course, it depends na lang on your budget. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Tonmeister on Nov 05, 2007 at 01:00 PM
the pioneer plasma offers excellent picture quality and will definitely make one happy whatever the viewing application. it is arguably one of the best plasma tvs in the market. you can go to cnet.asia.com for reviews. my only con about this product is the price.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 05, 2007 at 01:04 PM
I think eto na kunin kong unit, got a quote na around 110K nalang sya from its retail price of 199,000 sa malls dahil lalabas na ung mga bagong models ng pioneer.

Taga pampanga pa ako so byahe ako cguro sa manila this week to buy it na, kasi baka maubusan ako kasi iphapase out na yta?

Dito pala ako sa angeles pampanga. Sino ba mga taga pampanga dito? =)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 05, 2007 at 01:07 PM
Oo nga pre' tlgang sya ung isa sa pinakamahal sa size range nya. Buti nalang got a very nice offer from E-reply. Might be getting one this week. Just awaiting the text of sir Jeff, kasi masmalapit saamin trinoma =)






the pioneer plasma offers excellent picture quality and will definitely make one happy in various viewing applications. it is arguably one of the best plasma tvs in the market. you can go to cnet.asia.com for reviews. my only con about this product is the price.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Tonmeister on Nov 05, 2007 at 01:14 PM
a lot of people like the panasonic plasma mainly because of its price-performance ratio. d naman kasi quantum leap ang difference in picture quality ng pioneer compared to the 70k panasonic plasma. sayang din kasi yung 40k, right? but if you have the money and want one of the best, then by all means buy the pioneer.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Big Mac on Nov 05, 2007 at 01:55 PM
Louie:

Pioneer plasmas are really good, you got to pay premium for it too.  Read the new Kuros reviews and its all top rate. 

Im a panasonic user myself so may I recomend the following:

Instead of a 42 Pioneer, you can get a 50 Panasonic  :)  Put your money at the extra 8 inches and it will be worth it. You can get a 50 at almost the same price as a 42 pioneer na.

Or if space is a limitation for your screen, get a 42 Panasonic, and use the savings of P50k to get a decent AV receiver, upgrade your system to decent speakers and get your wife/gf/mother something for xmas.  Everybody happy.  Kung may sobra ka pang 5k, get a pioneer upconverting dvd player.  So naka pioneer ka na. 



Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 05, 2007 at 02:04 PM
110t is a very good price :o, gusto ko sumama ang loob with the price drop :'( but considering the joy it brings me and my wife, ok lang kasi i got it when it was the best in the field and it hasnt let me down, until now it surprises me with its clarity specially when 576p ang disc upconverted to 1080i  ::)! wow! the more you feed it with good copies the more it shines...kaya nga im saving for a HD player para maximized ang full potential nya...tapos na ako sa question ng lcd-vs-plasma...BD-vs-HDDVD na ang dilemna ko  >:(

consider mo din suggestion ni mac, when i bought the 42 i thought malaki na sya, but after a week gusto ko na ng 50 kaya lang over na ako sa budget at hindi na talaga mag fit sa built-in entertainment cabinet ko >:( the thing is, everytime you increase the size, you want the next bigger size or the next! hay buhay walang kaligayahan!
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: parak on Nov 05, 2007 at 02:09 PM
Hi,

I would suggest you wait for the pioneer kuro to arrive. Side by side mo siya vs 427 and other hdtvs. Rank mo yung mga choices mo. Then compare mo price diff ng rank 1 sa rank 2, kung worth it for you, then ipon ka and buy. Dont make the mistake of buying yung hindi mo talaga gusto, konting ipon and patience lang.

For me naman, I love my 427. Ang tagal ko nag research and compare online, also, ang dami ko din ginawang side by side comparisons. For me, the best I saw was the pioneer plasma, so i saved up for a few months, sold also some of my personal stuff, then bumili nako. Well worth it for me! Too bad lalabas na yung kuros, i have to think of a way to sell my 427 hehe
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: parak on Nov 05, 2007 at 02:11 PM
110t is a very good price :o, gusto ko sumama ang loob with the price drop :'( but considering the joy it brings me and my wife, ok lang kasi i got it when it was the best in the field and it hasnt let me down, until now it surprises me with its clarity specially when 576p ang disc upconverted to 1080i  ::)! wow! the more you feed it with good copies the more it shines...kaya nga im saving for a HD player para maximized ang full potential nya...tapos na ako sa question ng lcd-vs-plasma...BD-vs-HDDVD na ang dilemna ko  >:(

consider mo din suggestion ni mac, when i bought the 42 i thought malaki na sya, but after a week gusto ko na ng 50 kaya lang over na ako sa budget at hindi na talaga mag fit sa built-in entertainment cabinet ko >:( the thing is, everytime you increase the size, you want the next bigger size or the next! hay buhay walang kaligayahan!

DB10, go format neutral na like me. Sulit sa pioneer 427 ko. My wife and I enjoys it talaga. Di ako nagsisisi na nagbayad ng malaking halaga. Worth it talaga.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 05, 2007 at 04:24 PM
Quote
DB10, go format neutral na like me. Sulit sa pioneer 427 ko. My wife and I enjoys it talaga. Di ako nagsisisi na nagbayad ng malaking halaga. Worth it talaga.

bro if I were only a gamer then i will have no problem being neutral, but i lost my appetite for games already and knowing i will be addicted with HD content, i have to concentrate on one format lang, as in buhos lahat when things clear up between the two, right now HDDVD tosh players are very very tempting...if only one more big studio realizes its time to side with it tapos na ang laban specially now that HDDVD players prices are crashing down which i beleive will be the key sa war na ito, very good SDdvd upconvertion at mura pa na region free HD player ano pa gusto mo?.... konti na lang....konting konti na lang ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: barrister on Nov 05, 2007 at 09:57 PM
If you want a plasma, avoid gaming.  If you want a Pioneer plasma, wait for the Kuro.  I think buying the previous generation's model now would be a waste of money.  The Kuro is the new king of black levels.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 05, 2007 at 11:50 PM
kaso lang the new KURO model might be expensive... =( Around 160 or 190 cguro? Kasi ung dating price range ng binibili ko is around 160 and 190 before, clearance or liquidation sale lang kaya around 110K nalang ngayon.


How much ba ung panasonic na 50 inch? papost naman ng pic =)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 05, 2007 at 11:55 PM
BTW kamusta pala ung pioneer kapag sa gaming na? Addict kasi ako sa games eh kaya cguradong lagi kong nilalaro ung ps3 and xbox 360 ko dito. Kamusta ung graphics and gameplay ? Thanks... =)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: parak on Nov 06, 2007 at 01:07 AM
BTW kamusta pala ung pioneer kapag sa gaming na? Addict kasi ako sa games eh kaya cguradong lagi kong nilalaro ung ps3 and xbox 360 ko dito. Kamusta ung graphics and gameplay ? Thanks... =)

top notch!
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 06, 2007 at 07:35 AM
kaso lang the new KURO model might be expensive... =( Around 160 or 190 cguro? Kasi ung dating price range ng binibili ko is around 160 and 190 before, clearance or liquidation sale lang kaya around 110K nalang ngayon.


How much ba ung panasonic na 50 inch? papost naman ng pic =)

fyi, price of pio 427 quoted to you is +50% off original srp, swerte kyo at you're buying now as the new model is coming in.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 06, 2007 at 10:11 AM
Maganda din yung pioneer, mahal lang nga. ;) for the price of the 427 you can get the pana pv700 na.
side by side nyo and be the judge
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Tonmeister on Nov 06, 2007 at 10:13 AM
there will always be new technology, prices will go down and we will always play catch-up. so if you're going to ask me, just buy it if it makes you and your family happy. mahirap maexperience ang BUYERS REMORSE.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: RXV on Nov 06, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Wait na lang for the pioneer kuros, para bumaba pa yung price niyan. :)

It's either that you buy a 42" pioneer, or opt for a 50" panasonic plasma. Halos pareho lang price nila.
Iba pa rin kapag big screen. Hindi ka magsisisi.  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 06, 2007 at 11:57 AM
thanks for all those that replied, visit ako tom sa sights and sounds and trinoma tom, Would update you guys kung ano kunin ko =) also post din ako ng mga pics =)

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: barrister on Nov 06, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Before deciding on the Pio, try the Panny's latest 50 inch plasma at sir Nemesis91's Trinoma shop.  You might change your mind. ;)  8)

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: vtec3 on Nov 06, 2007 at 12:20 PM
I suggest also you audition the PV700 ay naku was there last sunday and have seen the PV700 side by side with other models and and ganda ng PV700. All i can say is "if only" if only nakita ko itong model na ito before, if only hindi nasabay sa audio upgrade ko, if only i can sell my 6 mths old Plasma, if only di magagalit wife ko kapag bibili ulit ako nito. Never ending if only  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 06, 2007 at 02:29 PM
haha never ending tlga.. sabi nga nila man cannot be completely satisfied hehe.

Yup check ko din ung panasonic na 50 inch para sure =) Paka try ko lahat, minsanan lang naman bibili ng tv so kailangan ung walang pagsisi hehe.





I suggest also you audition the PV700 ay naku was there last sunday and have seen the PV700 side by side with other models and and ganda ng PV700. All i can say is "if only" if only nakita ko itong model na ito before, if only hindi nasabay sa audio upgrade ko, if only i can sell my 6 mths old Plasma, if only di magagalit wife ko kapag bibili ulit ako nito. Never ending if only  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 06, 2007 at 03:58 PM
Its a good time to buy the 427 kasi the new models (Kuro) are coming out. IMO, the 427 has noticeably better PQ than the Panasonic 42PV70 but Php 50,000 better?  Definitely not. If Php 20,000 lang ang difference siguro I'll think about it.  But I'll definitely choose the 427 over the 42PV700 assuming they are priced equally.

I've seen the Kuro 428 in action.  I wasn't blown away but then its never as simple as that.  You really have to do a side by side comparo to see the differences. I saw the 42PV70 side by side with the 1080p 42PY70 and in a blind test, I honestly can say that I would've chosen the PV70. 

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: parak on Nov 06, 2007 at 06:43 PM
i saw the 50" 1080p kuro at best buy. ibang klase black levels. i suggest you wait for the kuro and do side by side against all models. also, try to read professional reviews, to help you what to look for when buying a tv. the more information you have, the better your choice will be.

for me, better na get something better than settle for something inferior. konting tiyagaan lang yan. konting tipid dito at tipid don, minsan magbaon ka lunch instead of eating out. eventually, you will reap what you sow.

alam ko konti lang kami naka pioneer dito sa boards dito, and di kami masyado maingay. kasi mahirap talaga mag recommend ng product na napakamahal. but i know, just like my fellow pioneer plasma owners, we are all  satisfied with what we have.

 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 07, 2007 at 12:19 AM
Punta ako tom sa manila and test ko ng mga tv, post narin ako ng mga pics para sa mga iba na gusto bumili kasi rami ko nakita sa forums na interested din sa panasonic, so mapicturan ko narin, para makatulong din sa forum na to =)

Actually minsan kapag nasayo na ung tv at nsa bahay na at wala ka ng kacomparison, even an ok tv looks great =) Minsan kasi pumapangit lang ung tv or ung PQ kasi marami syang katabi na masmaganda haha.

Parang GF daw, kapag kyong dlawa lang sya ang pinakamaganda para sa iyo kaso kapag nasa labas na or nasa mall na dun lumalabas ung masmaganda LOL just kidding =)

Update tyo bukas mga pare =)



Its a good time to buy the 427 kasi the new models (Kuro) are coming out. IMO, the 427 has noticeably better PQ than the Panasonic 42PV70 but Php 50,000 better?  Definitely not. If Php 20,000 lang ang difference siguro I'll think about it.  But I'll definitely choose the 427 over the 42PV700 assuming they are priced equally.

I've seen the Kuro 428 in action.  I wasn't blown away but then its never as simple as that.  You really have to do a side by side comparo to see the differences. I saw the 42PV70 side by side with the 1080p 42PY70 and in a blind test, I honestly can say that I would've chosen the PV70. 


Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 07, 2007 at 09:54 AM
Haha, good analogy.  100% agree.  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Big Mac on Nov 07, 2007 at 04:31 PM
Hello lithium

I actually did a side by side with a 427, a pv70 and a pv700 very recently.  Allow me to disagree that the 427 has noticeable better pq than the pv70.  I found it the other way around but not by much.  As for the pv700, way more impressive.  But then again, this is just me (my eyes, rather).

But I agree with your agreeing to the analysis on the "girlfriend when alone in an island vs girlfriend when you are in the mall". 

Louie to get back on track, try your best to compare apples against apples otherwise it wont do your comparison justice.  And let your eyes decide ha (and your pocket too). Either way, whatever makes you happy lang naman yan in the final analysis. 

Ganito nalang, pmail me, and If you want, i think I can help arrange an actual side by side for you. Surely that will help you seal your deal.



Its a good time to buy the 427 kasi the new models (Kuro) are coming out. IMO, the 427 has noticeably better PQ than the Panasonic 42PV70 but Php 50,000 better?  Definitely not. If Php 20,000 lang ang difference siguro I'll think about it.  But I'll definitely choose the 427 over the 42PV700 assuming they are priced equally.

I've seen the Kuro 428 in action.  I wasn't blown away but then its never as simple as that.  You really have to do a side by side comparo to see the differences. I saw the 42PV70 side by side with the 1080p 42PY70 and in a blind test, I honestly can say that I would've chosen the PV70. 


Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: parak on Nov 07, 2007 at 07:49 PM
agree din ako analogy mo. kaya nga nagsisi ako na nakakasample ako ng magandang tv, dahil now i know na there is something better out there, and if i get something inferior, lagi may nangungulit na boses sa likod ng isip ko na "bakit di mo kinuha yon, mas maganda yan eh"....hehehe.

tama nga sabi nila, ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 07, 2007 at 07:54 PM
Hello lithium
I actually did a side by side with a 427, a pv70 and a pv700 very recently.  Allow me to disagree that the 427 has noticeable better pq than the pv70.  I found it the other way around but not by much.  As for the pv700, way more impressive.  But then again, this is just me (my eyes, rather).

Its a good time to buy the 427 kasi the new models (Kuro) are coming out. IMO, the 427 has noticeably better PQ than the Panasonic 42PV70 but Php 50,000 better?  Definitely not. If Php 20,000 lang ang difference siguro I'll think about it.  But I'll definitely choose the 427 over the 42PV700 assuming they are priced equally.

I've seen the Kuro 428 in action.  I wasn't blown away but then its never as simple as that.  You really have to do a side by side comparo to see the differences. I saw the 42PV70 side by side with the 1080p 42PY70 and in a blind test, I honestly can say that I would've chosen the PV70. 

So in the final analysis louie, it will be 'your' own preference sa panel that will choose the winner in 'your' search, just remember despite their pros and cons, you will not go wrong for sure with either of these panels!
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 08, 2007 at 08:53 AM
Hello lithium

I actually did a side by side with a 427, a pv70 and a pv700 very recently.  Allow me to disagree that the 427 has noticeable better pq than the pv70.  I found it the other way around but not by much.  As for the pv700, way more impressive.  But then again, this is just me (my eyes, rather).

Thats alright, kanya kanyang opinion lang naman. For me the 427 has a more natural color pallette and has noticeably less picture "noise" vis-a-vis the Pana's.
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Post by: louie777 on Nov 08, 2007 at 09:41 AM
Just went to theaterworks yesterday, naguluhan lang ako nong pinakita ni sir jeff ung panasonic tvs haha. Very sure na kasi ako before sa pioneer tpos ung pinakita ung mga panasonic napadalawang isip ako hehe.

Right now iniisip ko din choice ung 50 inch ng panasonic kasi same price din sya nong pioneer and parang maganda syang tignan na wallmounted hehe. And katulad nong sinagest nong isang member dito na tlagang value for the money sya kasi ang laki ng 8 inches na difference.

Post ako ng mga pic mamaya sa visit ko sa theaterworks and the pics of the tv hehe
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Post by: RXV on Nov 08, 2007 at 10:12 AM
Yes sir malaki talaga diffrence ng 42" sa 50". :)

Either brands would do ok for you. No complaints from our members so far.  ;D
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Post by: E-reply on Nov 08, 2007 at 11:13 AM
Just went to theaterworks yesterday, naguluhan lang ako nong pinakita ni sir jeff ung panasonic tvs haha. Very sure na kasi ako before sa pioneer tpos ung pinakita ung mga panasonic napadalawang isip ako hehe.

Right now iniisip ko din choice ung 50 inch ng panasonic kasi same price din sya nong pioneer and parang maganda syang tignan na wallmounted hehe. And katulad nong sinagest nong isang member dito na tlagang value for the money sya kasi ang laki ng 8 inches na difference.

Post ako ng mga pic mamaya sa visit ko sa theaterworks and the pics of the tv hehe

Sent you pm, Louie.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Tonmeister on Nov 08, 2007 at 11:42 AM
bili na kasi :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: barrister on Nov 08, 2007 at 11:22 PM
Just went to theaterworks yesterday, naguluhan lang ako nong pinakita ni sir jeff ung panasonic tvs haha. Very sure na kasi ako before sa pioneer tpos ung pinakita ung mga panasonic napadalawang isip ako hehe.

Good for you.  It's a big expense, so it's best to visit a good shop.  Sir Jeff's shop is very popular here.


Right now iniisip ko din choice ung 50 inch ng panasonic kasi same price din sya nong pioneer and parang maganda syang tignan na wallmounted hehe. And katulad nong sinagest nong isang member dito na tlagang value for the money sya kasi ang laki ng 8 inches na difference.

Yes, malaking difference talaga ang 8 inches.  Sa umpisa parang ang laki na ang 42"; after some time, parang maliit pa pala ...  :D  But the advantage is not just a bigger size, actually. 

Here's another reason why I recommend a 50 incher:

In appliance stores, I've observed 42" and 50" Vieras side by side at the same viewing distance using a single video source (standard DVD), and the result is consistent --- the picture quality on the 50" panel is always slightly better.   

No, I don't think it's because the 50" has a higher native resolution.  I think it's because the 50" panel is doing a better job of scaling the image.

The PV4270 and 42PV700, like most other 42" plasmas, have a native resolution of 1024x768.  The 1024x768 standard is also called "XGA" (Extended Graphic Array), a standard developed for computer monitors. 

Note that a 1024x768 resolution is equivalent to a 4x3 ratio.  How do they fit that resolution on a 16x9 TV?  They use rectangular pixels instead of square ones. 

The 50PV70 and 50PV700, like most other 50" plasmas, have a native resolution of 1366x768.  Note that this resolution is almost equivalent to a 16x9 ratio.

On a 16x9 panel, it's probably easier to scale images on square pixels rather than on rectangular ones because less calculations are required from the panel's scaling software. 

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 08, 2007 at 11:59 PM
Good for you.  It's a big expense, so it's best to visit a good shop.  Sir Jeff's shop is very popular here.


Yes, malaking difference talaga ang 8 inches.  Sa umpisa parang ang laki na ang 42"; after some time, parang maliit pa pala ...  :D  But the advantage is not just a bigger size, actually. 

Here's another reason why I recommend a 50 incher:

In appliance stores, I've observed 42" and 50" Vieras side by side at the same viewing distance using a single video source (standard DVD), and the result is consistent --- the picture quality on the 50" panel is always slightly better.   

No, I don't think it's because the 50" has a higher native resolution.  I think it's because the 50" panel is doing a better job of scaling the image.

The PV4270 and 42PV700, like most other 42" plasmas, have a native resolution of 1024x768.  The 1024x768 standard is also called "XGA" (Extended Graphic Array), a standard developed for computer monitors. 

Note that a 1024x768 resolution is equivalent to a 4x3 ratio.  How do they fit that resolution on a 16x9 TV?  They use rectangular pixels instead of square ones. 

The 50PV70 and 50PV700, like most other 50" plasmas, have a native resolution of 1366x768.  Note that this resolution is almost equivalent to a 16x9 ratio.

On a 16x9 panel, it's probably easier to scale images on square pixels rather than on rectangular ones because less calculations are required from the panel's scaling software. 




I think you have a point, kasi less pixelized ung mga images sa 50 inch na tv, when i did a side by side comparison nong pioneer and the panasonic almost same picture quality ung black levels lang tlga nag pinagkaiba ng pioneer...

hay...  ano kaya? hehe

btw ano pala tv mo pre?

thanks
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: parak on Nov 09, 2007 at 02:27 AM
bili na!!  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: E-reply on Nov 09, 2007 at 06:24 AM

I think you have a point, kasi less pixelized ung mga images sa 50 inch na tv, when i did a side by side comparison nong pioneer and the panasonic almost same picture quality ung black levels lang tlga nag pinagkaiba ng pioneer...

hay...  ano kaya? hehe

btw ano pala tv mo pre?

thanks

Sent you again pm that replied your inquiry.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: barrister on Nov 09, 2007 at 10:17 AM
btw ano pala tv mo pre?

Panasonic 42PA60M.  It's an EDTV: 852 x 480 native rez.  This resolution is nearly perfectly matched to standard DVD, so scaling should be very easy.  Also, the unit runs cold no matter how long it's on. 

Panasonic phased out its EDTV consumer plasmas for the 10th gen.  EDTVs nila ngayon commercial models na lang (no tuner, no speakers).

The 9th gen Panasonic plasma had a problem called "purple snakes" ("magenta banding" is the tech term).  Only the 42PX60 and 42PX600 were affected -- they're 1024x768 panels. 

Those rectangular pixels could be more problem-prone than square ones.  No purple snakes appeared on 42" EDTVs and 50 inchers. Note that the native res on the EDTV (852x480) and the 50" (1366x768) are both 16x9.   
 
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Tonmeister on Nov 09, 2007 at 10:57 AM
like what i said in my previous post, the pioneer plasma is better than the panasonic, mahal lang nga.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: barrister on Nov 14, 2007 at 02:01 PM
8) Aussie telly review, mate:


Pixel perfect
Posted by Jason Hill
November 14, 2007 7:28 AM


It was a sad day on Monday as Screen Play bid a solemn farewell to a 50-inch Kuro plasma the kind folks at Pioneer had let me test drive for a few weeks.

It's a stunning panel that has forced me to reassess my advice to friends, family and readers for when shopping for a high-def display. It even helped convince Mrs Screen Play we need a new screen.

http://blogs.theage.com.au/screenplay/archives/008022.html



Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: parak on Nov 15, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Here are some more professional reviews of the Kuro:

From ultimate av mag:

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/907piokuro/
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/1007piok60/

From Home theater mag:

http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/907kuro/
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 16, 2007 at 08:47 AM
mga sir may price advise na ba ang kuros dito sa atin?
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: parak on Nov 16, 2007 at 01:19 PM
wala pa eh
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: samlowry on Nov 19, 2007 at 07:53 AM
tinext ako ng isang taga automatic center.... may price na sila... I hope Sights and Sounds and Theater works post their prices na cause I'm sure they have better deals sa pio508/kuro.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 19, 2007 at 10:42 AM
hi samlowry, can you share with the board the price info on kuros?
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: samlowry on Nov 19, 2007 at 12:44 PM
weird... my first post didn't push through...

anyways, pm E-reply (sights and sounds)!  Not sure why they don't post their prices on the main boards but they must have their reasons....
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 19, 2007 at 01:36 PM
I've been quoted 160T for the 428 Kuro at Automatic and provisionally, around 20T below that by one of our favorite stores in this forum.  Hopefully its going to be lower pa.  If so, I'm ready to pull the trigger on this baby. 
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 19, 2007 at 04:30 PM
those are great starting figures, way better than 7th gen prices, i wonder if the full hd kuros will be coming to town too  ::) 
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: parak on Nov 20, 2007 at 02:43 AM
I've been quoted 160T for the 428 Kuro at Automatic and provisionally, around 20T below that by one of our favorite stores in this forum.  Hopefully its going to be lower pa.  If so, I'm ready to pull the trigger on this baby. 

wow that is lower than what i am expecting! time to sell my 427 cheap and get those 8th gen kuros in my home!!!
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 20, 2007 at 10:41 AM
wow that is lower than what i am expecting! time to sell my 427 cheap and get those 8th gen kuros in my home!!!

I have stock 428xg and 508xg. ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 20, 2007 at 11:15 AM
PM sent.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 20, 2007 at 06:58 PM
wow that is lower than what i am expecting! time to sell my 427 cheap and get those 8th gen kuros in my home!!!

Better hit the road and check out the stores.  You won't believe the prices. You may have to sell that 427 way way cheaper though. Thank you weak dollar. It really is the time to buy.    :) ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 21, 2007 at 09:50 AM
have you seen the difference between the 427 and 428? dun sa 50 inches na pioneer mukang my difference pero sa 42 it is hard to tell.. looks almost similar to me.. or maybe pangit lang ung dvd source nong nakita ko sya in action...
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 21, 2007 at 11:18 AM
have you seen the difference between the 427 and 428? dun sa 50 inches na pioneer mukang my difference pero sa 42 it is hard to tell.. looks almost similar to me.. or maybe pangit lang ung dvd source nong nakita ko sya in action...

Have seen both but not at the same time and the 428 sandali lang. But even if side by side sila, you can never tell if one is perfectly calibrated or not. The 427 already looks goegeous to me and all the reviewers say the 428 is a huge leap in picture quality over the 427.

But all this is irrelevant given the entry price of the 428.
Title: Pioneer Kuro
Post by: louie777 on Nov 21, 2007 at 04:10 PM
Has anyone seen the new 42 or 50 inch pioneer KURO? read the reviews they said that the picture quality is way better than the older version of the pioneer pdp 427 or the 50 inch...

Any comments or comparisons?

thanks

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 21, 2007 at 04:20 PM
may nakita ka bang huge difference in PQ?? even boss vic of sights and sounds said that there is a minimal difference if you use high def movies or blue ray.. pero kung normal sources like DVD wala daw....

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro
Post by: Tonmeister on Nov 21, 2007 at 04:35 PM
Has anyone seen the new 42 or 50 inch pioneer KURO? read the reviews they said that the picture quality is way better than the older version of the pioneer pdp 427 or the 50 inch...

Any comments or comparisons?

thanks



i just got word that the kuro model released here is not a 2mp version. anyway, here's my take on the new model:
1. specs-wise, its better than the previous model. major advantages include:
  - 64hz vs 24hz
  - 10k:1 vs 4k:1 contrast ratio
2. surprisingly it's cheaper (just ask our favorite shops for a freindly quote)
3. picture quality is superior compared to the previous model.

the pioneer definitely puts you at the top of the food chain in plasma monitors. and because you get better picture quality at a lower cost, the new pioneer plasma gets my vote.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 21, 2007 at 04:49 PM
The Kuro models garnering all those rave reviews are the 720p ones.  Di pa yung mga 1080p models na kalalabas pa lang kaya wala pang reviews. Am sure mas maganda yung mga 1080p pero $$$$$ naman.

Contrast ratio of the 428 is 16,000:1 which per reviews seem conservative pa.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 21, 2007 at 07:16 PM
The most important difference I saw was the price.  Mas mura yung 428.  'Nuf said  ;).
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 21, 2007 at 09:02 PM
hi louie, you're not the first person on the net to give this observation, its a good consolation for those who bought the 7th gen panel earlier and those planning to get them now for the bargain they are today.

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45450.msg359962#new

this is of course not to dampen the kuros fever set to hit us soon, after all very few of us have seen them in action, hopefully the full hd models arrive with same 'soft' price as the xg models.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 21, 2007 at 10:54 PM
Kuros 42 428 105k lang boys
Kuros 50 508 160k lang. ;)

5 units each available from theater works pioneer phil warrarnty free hdmi 1.3 version ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 22, 2007 at 09:01 AM
sir jeff what's to account for the low prices the new models are selling for? the weak dollar or is it really the trend in the industry of maturing technology or competition?
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 22, 2007 at 11:38 AM
sir jeff what's to account for the low prices the new models are selling for? the weak dollar or is it really the trend in the industry of maturing technology or competition?

weak $ sir! ;)
besides that's the suggested retail price ng Pioneer Phil....theaterworks(trinoma), stop look n listen (robinsons pioneer) listen up(glorieta) listening room (megamall), golden sound (virramall ) same price mga sirs! ;)
pm me for more discounts pwede pag-usapan 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 22, 2007 at 12:03 PM
Kuros 42 428 105k lang boys
Kuros 50 508 160k lang. ;)

5 units each available from theater works pioneer phil warrarnty free hdmi 1.3 version ;D

3 units 508 nalang and 2  units 408.
more power to pdvd! hehehe...
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 22, 2007 at 02:24 PM
ano itsura nong kuro model? ung nakita ko kasi parang all black na ung color nya unline the 7th gen na may grey sa baba...

which one looks better?



how about the PQ? malayo ba tlga? or almost the same?

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 22, 2007 at 02:30 PM
ano itsura nong kuro model? ung nakita ko kasi parang all black na ung color nya unline the 7th gen na may grey sa baba...

which one looks better?



how about the PQ? malayo ba tlga? or almost the same?



kia vs honda
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: trackers888 on Nov 22, 2007 at 03:16 PM
kia vs honda

Hindi bagay.... how about Rolex vs Alba :D :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 22, 2007 at 03:25 PM
Hindi bagay.... how about Rolex vs Alba :D :D :D

hehehe... tama ka dian sir! ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 22, 2007 at 03:35 PM
hehe which one dun ung 427? ung kia? alba? hehe


Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 22, 2007 at 03:38 PM
hehe which one dun ung 427? ung kia? alba? hehe




You got that right bro!  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Tonmeister on Nov 23, 2007 at 10:56 AM
o, the new model just came out. better and cheaper.
buy it while its hot :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: mannix on Nov 23, 2007 at 11:12 AM
o, the new model just came out. better and cheaper.
buy it while its hot :)

buy it while its hot?hmmm ::), buy it when its cheap nalang,hehehe ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 23, 2007 at 11:22 AM
I'll get mine tomorrow.  Twas a struggle but I settled for the 428.  I was so tempted by the 508.  Daming buyers ng Kuro when I was in the store. I guess like me, a lot of guys found the combination of top rated perfomance and cheaper-than-expected pricing irresistible.  Get yours while the dollar is weak.  :) 
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Nov 23, 2007 at 12:10 PM
Kuros 42 428 105k lang boys
Kuros 50 508 160k lang. ;)

5 units each available from theater works pioneer phil warrarnty free hdmi 1.3 version ;D

at these prices paano pa makakalaban ang ibang panels  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: trackers888 on Nov 23, 2007 at 12:33 PM
Kuros 42 428 105k lang boys
Kuros 50 508 160k lang. ;)

5 units each available from theater works pioneer phil warrarnty free hdmi 1.3 version ;D

Grabe! :o
Dumami na tuloy option ko! ;D
1. Panasonic PY700 - Full HD
2. Pioneer Kuros 428 - HD XGA 1024X768 http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/kuro/product/details/0,,2076_310069733_459440994_tab=B,00.html?compName=PNA_V3_ProductDetailsComponent
3. Toshiba42X3500 - Full HD

 :D :D :D

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 23, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Grabe! :o
Dumami na tuloy option ko! ;D
1. Panasonic PY700 - Full DH
2. Pioneer Kuros 428 - http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/kuro/product/details/0,,2076_310069733_459440994_tab=B,00.html?compName=PNA_V3_ProductDetailsComponent
3. Toshiba42X3500 - Full HD

 :D :D :D



Kuro 428 not full hd yet 1080p capable, katumbas ng 42pv70 lang ito. ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: trackers888 on Nov 23, 2007 at 01:02 PM
Kuro 428 not full hd yet 1080p capable, katumbas ng 42pv70 lang ito. ;D

OO nga Sir Jeff :D
High-Definition Resolution   XGA - 1024 x 768 lang pala to.

Full HD na Pio, mahal sigurado yan
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Tonmeister on Nov 23, 2007 at 01:33 PM
Grabe! :o
Dumami na tuloy option ko! ;D
1. Panasonic PY700 - Full HD
2. Pioneer Kuros 428 - HD XGA 1024X768 http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/kuro/product/details/0,,2076_310069733_459440994_tab=B,00.html?compName=PNA_V3_ProductDetailsComponent
3. Toshiba42X3500 - Full HD

 :D :D :D



pag ganyang palaging may bago e wag na lang kayang bumili? hahaha :)
what's next 2gp = 2 giga pixel resolution
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 23, 2007 at 02:19 PM
OO nga Sir Jeff :D
High-Definition Resolution   XGA - 1024 x 768 lang pala to.

Full HD na Pio, mahal sigurado yan

Not so sure but I think the full HD LX Kuros will start at 50".  What is almost sure is they are expensive.  Most reviews I saw however rate the 42" and 50" XGA Kuros higher than their Full HD plasma counterparts. At these sizes, I guess contrast ratio is more critical to PQ than resolution.     
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: barrister on Nov 23, 2007 at 03:00 PM
pag ganyang palaging may bago e wag na lang kayang bumili? hahaha :)

 :D Oo nga  ;D  See my old post:

There really is no such thing as "future proof".

1080p?  Ang baba naman ng resolution  ...   Wala yan sa lolo ko ...

Sharp already has a prototype 64" LCD with a native resolution of approx. 4000 x 2000 (8.8 megapixels)!

(http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/televisions/sharp_ultra_high_definition_tv.jpg)


Sharp ultra-definition: Even higher definition
Firday 16 March 2007

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49288581,00.htm (http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49288581,00.htm)

Like I always say, either buy now and enjoy, or keep waiting for the next model until you never buy at all.  :D




=========================================================



...  I guess contrast ratio is more critical to PQ than resolution. 

That's what I keep posting here:


I'm sure that LCD and plasma makers are both aware that 1080p is an insignificant improvement for smaller screens --- they're only doing it because full HD is what the customer wants.  Ask the average flat panel shoppers what they think is the most important aspect in a flat panel's picture quality, and you'll invariably get the same answer:  RESOLUTION. 

According to the ISF (Imaging Science Foundation), the most important aspects of picture quality are:  1. contrast ratio, 2. color saturation, 3. color accuracy, and 4. resolution, in that order.  Resolution is the least important, yet the bandwagon seems to think the opposite. 


Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Nov 23, 2007 at 03:19 PM
hay... kakabili ko pa naman ng 427 bago lumabas ung 428 pero hnd pa nadedeliver so pwede ko pa papalit.. papalit ko kaya ng 428? hnd ko pa kasi nakikita sa personal ung 428 ung 50 inch palang... concern ko kasi sa 428 bago palang and hnd pa lumalabas mga sakit nya.. hnd katulad ng 427 subok na and wala namang nagkasakit sa ulo sa model na to... what do you guys think??

papost naman ng pic ng 428 hehe

thanks

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: barrister on Nov 23, 2007 at 03:36 PM

 :o Hindi ka naniwala sa previous post ko eh ...  Murang mura na ngayon ang Kuro ... :o


... If you want a Pioneer plasma, wait for the Kuro.  I think buying the previous generation's model now would be a waste of money.  The Kuro is the new king of black levels.


Manood na lang tayo ng commercial sa Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4nOAyrhric

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: trackers888 on Nov 23, 2007 at 09:44 PM
pag ganyang palaging may bago e wag na lang kayang bumili? hahaha :)
what's next 2gp = 2 giga pixel resolution

Nakow Sir, kung wala lang event sa bahay, hindi ako mapipilitan talaga bumili  ;D
I dream of HD, kaya may dagdag reason pa ;) Baka sa kahihintay ng bago, hindi na ako makabili :D :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: barrister on Nov 24, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Cross-posting:

Kuros Xmas Promo gift ito. 428- Php100k cash

 :o
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 24, 2007 at 12:19 PM
Get ka na sir! hehehe. ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: barrister on Nov 24, 2007 at 01:40 PM
Ipon ipon muna  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 24, 2007 at 05:43 PM
Ipon ipon muna  :D

Pwedeng kang terms sa akin sir....basta ikaw!  hehehehe. :D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: switi on Nov 24, 2007 at 09:16 PM
kabibili ko lang ng 42pv70! wala pa 1 week tapos eto na kuro! ano ba yan! grabe ka jeff, dapat i ban ka for 1 month para wala bago dito...

ha ha ha ha! kainis ka  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: trackers888 on Nov 24, 2007 at 09:41 PM
kabibili ko lang ng 42pv70! wala pa 1 week tapos eto na kuro! ano ba yan! grabe ka jeff, dapat i ban ka for 1 month para wala bago dito...

ha ha ha ha! kainis ka  :D :D :D

 :D tahimik muna ako for now, baka mausog ;D
Title: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: vir.2.oso on Nov 26, 2007 at 02:21 PM
Hi.
I'm a newbie here.
I'd like to direct this question to members who have recently bought a Pioneer 8th generation Kuro.
Do you think P160T is a reasonable price to pay for a 50-in model-- specifically, the PDP 508XG now available in top HT outlets? Would anybody know a store that sells the same model for less?

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lover8888boy on Nov 26, 2007 at 02:45 PM
hi !!! i heard jeff from theater works is selling this cheaper, as i know its below P160,000.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: vir.2.oso on Nov 26, 2007 at 02:59 PM
hi !!! i heard jeff from theater works is selling this cheaper, as i know its below P160,000.

That's as prompt as it gets--thanks, bro!
May I have the location and contact nos. of theater works?
Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: trackers888 on Nov 26, 2007 at 03:47 PM
You may wish to consider this price from Jeff himself

Kuros Xmas Promo gift ito. 428- Php100k cash and 508- Php155k

Nemesis91 (Jeff) of Theater Works - M3 TRINOMA MALL EDSA 3016B near Mindanao parking area 3rd floor. Quezon City
Tel: 901-39-75

Or check his thread here

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=60748.0

Happy hunting

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: vir.2.oso on Nov 26, 2007 at 04:09 PM
You may wish to consider this price from Jeff himself

Kuros Xmas Promo gift ito. 428- Php100k cash and 508- Php155k

Nemesis91 (Jeff) of Theater Works - M3 TRINOMA MALL EDSA 3016B near Mindanao parking area 3rd floor. Quezon City
Tel: 901-39-75

Or check his thread here

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=60748.0

Hi.
That was really fast. And very helpful!
Thank you so much.
vir.2.oso

Happy hunting


Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: trackers888 on Nov 26, 2007 at 04:44 PM


Your welcome ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: samlowry on Nov 27, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Wow!  nice prices!!! excited nako malaman ang price ng lx508!!!! :)  tho I think the 508 is great as it is.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 27, 2007 at 02:01 PM
Sights & Sounds has one.  I think the price is around 300T.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: E-reply on Nov 27, 2007 at 02:46 PM
Thanks to everyone who buys TV or TVs from Sights and Sounds! Your complements to our service are highly appreciated! Thank you for being valued customers.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Nemesis91 on Nov 27, 2007 at 11:43 PM
Still available mga sir, pioneer phil
same price w/glass stand na.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: caycski on Dec 02, 2007 at 01:44 AM
Got from Jeff of Theater Works Pio 508XG last Friday. My sisters unit arrived yesterday. Tested it using Ordinary DVD (Fifth Element - Superbit) and I'm amazed by the PQ eventhough it's not BD. My unit will be arriving later. Heto na naman ang walang katapusang gastos ;D ;D ;D

Thanks to Jeff aka Nemesis91 and more power to your store!
 
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Nemesis91 on Dec 03, 2007 at 11:58 AM
Haayy, napagod na ako sa kabila dito naman ako. hehehe.. ;D
Title: Re: CAVEAT TO ALL MEMBERS
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Dec 03, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Since this thread no longer has anything to do with Pioneer Kuro Plasmas and is instead a complaint/rant/testimonial or something, I'm locking this thread. You can continue the lovefest/hatefest or whatever you want on the other thread on this same topic, which I think has the more appropriate thread title:

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=74203.0

Seriously, please never start the same topic in three sections again.  ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: firewired on Dec 03, 2007 at 01:17 PM
I've merged the irrelevant content into the thread that Mr. Hankey posted above and unlocked this one.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: trackers888 on Dec 03, 2007 at 08:05 PM
Haayy, napagod na ako sa kabila dito naman ako. hehehe.. ;D

 :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: E-reply on Dec 04, 2007 at 06:35 PM
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee128/ereply/pioneerkuro.jpg)

Pioneer Philippines has just announced the arrival of Pioneer KURO Full HD Plasma
50" PDPLX508G at P265,000.00 (tentative price; price subject to change)   
Release date will be December 15, 2007 or earlier

Arrival on second week of January, 2008
60" PDPLX608G at P320,000.00 (tentative price; price subject to change)   


Pioneer KURO will be on display at Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangri-La Plaza.




Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Moks007 on Dec 04, 2007 at 07:33 PM


May I ask if this 50 inch you mentioned here is different from the 508 model mentioned above at 155k? Thanks
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Dec 04, 2007 at 10:04 PM
May I ask if this 50 inch you mentioned here is different from the 508 model mentioned above at 155k? Thanks

Yes they are different.  The 265K one is 1080p while the 155K one is 720p.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Moks007 on Dec 04, 2007 at 10:09 PM
Yes they are different.  The 265K one is 1080p while the 155K one is 720p.

Ok thanks very much..
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: IceTea on Dec 05, 2007 at 09:35 AM
50" PDPLX508G at P265,000.00 (tentative price; price subject to change)   
Release date will be December 15, 2007 or earlier

Arrival on second week of January, 2008
60" PDPLX608G at P320,000.00 (tentative price; price subject to change)   

Holy-santa-banana!  It's like hanging half of my car on the wall.  How I wish I'm rich enough to buy such a monster. :D  Ang ganda siguro nito!   ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Nemesis91 on Dec 05, 2007 at 09:52 AM
new stocks of 508 and 428 available 2moro at Theater works! ;)
Pedestal na kasama, its better and safer.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: E-reply on Dec 05, 2007 at 10:34 AM
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee128/ereply/pioneerkuro.jpg)

Pioneer Philippines has just announced the arrival of Pioneer KURO Full HD Plasma
50" PDPLX508G at P265,000.00 (tentative price; price subject to change)   
Release date will be December 15, 2007 or earlier

Arrival on second week of January, 2008
60" PDPLX608G at P320,000.00 (tentative price; price subject to change)   


Pioneer KURO will be on display at Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangri-La Plaza.




Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Nemesis91 on Dec 06, 2007 at 06:47 PM
Available again pioneer 428xg 100k and 528xg 155k includes pedestal and freebies. ;)
While supply last.... hehehe!
Thanks Voj. :D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Tonmeister on Dec 07, 2007 at 02:16 PM
Holy-santa-banana!  It's like hanging half of my car on the wall.  How I wish I'm rich enough to buy such a monster. :D  Ang ganda siguro nito!   ;D

at that price, dapat lang. i just hope this is the end of it all.
tapos bukas may kuro mark 2 naman. ayoko naaaaaaaaa...... ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Dec 11, 2007 at 10:41 AM
Any Kuro owner who wants to share his display settings?  I haven't had my 428 calibrated yet so I experimented using settings acquired from a UK AV forum that I joined. I used to think the Dynamic setting was awesome but after the manual adjustments I made on the Movie setting, which gave movies a highly realistic color and lighting, I don't want to use any other setting when watching Blurays.  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: caycski on Dec 11, 2007 at 08:48 PM
@lithium_deuteride - sir pa PM naman nung movie settings mo kung ok lang. thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Dec 11, 2007 at 09:31 PM
I'll post it for you:  :)

***********************************************************************************************
These settings should be applied to the letter, you can adjust sharpness and saturation to suit but don't alter colour temp or colour mangement away from the settings below.
***********************************************************************************************

For SKY HD, PS3, Blue Ray or HD/DVD (BLUE RAY, PS3 OR HD/DVD YOU NEED TO ADJUST PURE CINEMA)
                (SKY HD SET PURE CINEMA TO OFF)

AV SELECTION  ***MOVIE***

CONTRAST     30
BRIGHTNESS      0
COLOUR        -2
TINT        +2 Towards Green
SHARPNESS     -15

PRO ADJUST > PURE CINEMA
FILM MODE     OFF            (BLUE RAY/HD DVD Smooth or Advanced)
TEXT OPTIMISATION OFF           

INTELIGENT MODE     OFF

PICTURE DETAIL
DRE        OFF (Low if you prefer)
BLACK LEVEL     OFF
ACL        OFF
ENHANCER MODE     2 (1 if you prefer)
GAMMA        2

COLOUR DETAIL     MANUAL (HOLD ENTER FOR 3 SECS)
COLOUR TEMP    
        R High  -2
        G High   0
        B High  +2
        R Low     -1
        G Low    0
        B Low   -1
       
       
               
CTI        OFF
COLOUR MANAGEMENT 
        R       0
        Y      0
        G      0
        c      0
           B      0
        M       -7

COLOUR SPACE      1

If you're using a PS3 via HDMI with this TV, there is a bug that will destroy shadow and highlight details if you have "RGB Full Range" enabled in the PS3's display settings. I won't go into the technical details as to why, but to set up your PS3 properly with this TV, you should go to:

1: Settings > Display Settings > RGB Full Range (HDMI) set it to "Full"

2: Settings > BD/DVD Settings > BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) and change it to "RGB"

3: TV Menu > Option > HDMI Input > Video and change it from "Auto" to "Colour-4"

After a second or two, you should see the image change to a lower contrast, and far more accurate image.

NOISE REDUCTION
Field NR      OFF
All others      OFF

OTHERS
IP MODE      1
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Dec 13, 2007 at 06:01 PM
wow thanks sa setting sir!

By the way pano nyo break in ung plasma? kasi bago palang saakin, what do i need to do to prevent screen burn? Kasi hilig pa naman ako maglaro ng games at manood ng mga asian movies where may black bars sa taas at baba..


thanks in advance

btw what i have is the 42 inch pioneer kuro....
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Dec 13, 2007 at 08:25 PM
Louie, glad you got the 428 in lieu of the 427.  Its a great TV.  I don't give too much thought on screen burn, I just enjoy the TV.  Have played some downloaded PS3 demo games and Blu-rays with the black bars top and bottom. I've noticed no image retention, even temporary ones whatsoever.  To be on the safe side, don't use Dynamic for games and movies with black bars. Just set the orbital function to on and calibrate it to the above settings which I believe are screen-friendly in addition to looking more natural. Best. :) 
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Dec 14, 2007 at 06:58 PM
ey man thanks! yup sa una lang naman maganda ung dynamic pero eventually masakit sya sa mata hehe.... ung game mode na settings ok din...

cge config ko later.

thanks!

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Dec 16, 2007 at 11:12 PM
Kuro 428 beats the 1080p Panasonic 42PZ700 according to this:

http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/1500/v/1/sp/
Title: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: byron on Jan 30, 2008 at 04:42 PM
Hi,
I would like to ask Pio PDP 428XG users their overall experience (good and bad) on this TV?   I would also like to ask what problems or challenges you faced when on this unit as well...

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Jan 30, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Very happy with it. Japan built, exhudes class with the glossy plastic sidings. Fit and finish is beyond reproach. Weighty brushed-aluminum remote control adds a sense of quality.

Cable TV reception was disappointingly soft at first.  I expected that but not to such degree.  After about a month of usage, TV reception for some reason markedly improved in sharpness to the point that its now just a tick below what I'm used to with my CRT Sony Wega 25 incher.

Bluray playback is awesome. No you will not complain about resolution - it's plenty detailed.  Colors are rich and natural looking. I used to gawk at demo TV's in the malls but now that I'm used to the Kuro's picture, those demo TVs don't look so impressive anymore. You notice their shortcomings right away - the grayness of the blacks, the unatural colors, etc.  My first Bluray was the BBC HD documentary Planet Earth. I tell you, your jaws will drop and you'll be left praising the Lord for creating such a wonderful planet.

I'm playing Motorstorm, Rachet & Clank as well as a bunch of downloaded playable demo PS3 games.  No complaints-the games are real eye candies.  The manual tells you how to set the TV to prevent the dreaded screen burn and image retention issues.  Seems to work as I've not seen a hint of these problems.  BTW, the Metal Gear Solid Guns of the Patriots demos which so amazed me when played at 1080p on a 40" X-series Bravia looked merely good on the 428. Maybe games is one area where 1080p LCD is superior or maybe, my game mode settings just need to be optimized, I really don't know.

The well made on-screen menu looks to be a tweaker's delight but is much too complicated for the average joe. In my case, I tweaked the movie mode using settings I found on the net. The result was an easier on the eye naturalness that instantly became my default setting. This Saturday, the TV will be calibrated so there's a good chance its PQ, as good as it already is, may still improve.
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Feb 02, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Paul of Sights & Sound came over late this afternoon and calibrated the 428XG using the Spyder.  He was done in about 30 minutes.  He commented that the calibrated settings (saved in User mode) were very close to the TV's default setting under Optimum mode.  Some TV's daw are way off the D65 ideal but this one was almost spot-on out of the box.

How do I compare it to my Movie mode setting which I got from Pio 8G owners on AVS forum and which is my current favorite?  Paul's is obviously more colorful. Mas tuminkad yung colors with the general tint nudged closer to yellow compared to the AVS setting. Other than that, both have the same easy-on-the-eye presentation.  Which do I like better?  Of course I like the more colorful one but the jury's still out on which looks more natural.  I'll have to watch more Blurays before I can decide. Maybe I'll post some pics so you guys can decide which looks more natural. 

Nevertheless, I would like to thank Sights & Sounds and Vic for delivering this great value added service. More power sir.
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: byron on Feb 03, 2008 at 02:13 AM
Hi Lithium,
GRABE!!! ATAT NA AKO BUMILI!!! hahahaha

I'm currently looking at the Pio DV600 to do some upscaling... medyo hit a stumbling block in terms of maximizing my "investments" on my DVD collection (mix of R1 and R3).  Couldn't get a PS3 player to play both region formats as per my PM to you.  In any case, medyo hintay na lang muna ako coz I don't have any bluray discs pa naman... i'll try to accumulate some then will get it later. 

I looked at the Oppo din.. medyo hefty price.  how much pala kuha mo sa Oppo?  I saw some reviews on the DV600 and medyo ok mga comments...

Please advise naman on the DV600 if you have ever encountered this machine before.

thanks as always!

Paul of Sights & Sound came over late this afternoon and calibrated the 428XG using the Spyder.  He was done in about 30 minutes.  He commented that the calibrated settings (saved in User mode) were very close to the TV's default setting under Optimum mode.  Some TV's daw are way off the D65 ideal but this one was almost spot-on out of the box.

How do I compare it to my Movie mode setting which I got from Pio 8G owners on AVS forum and which is my current favorite?  Paul's is obviously more colorful. Mas tuminkad yung colors with the general tint nudged closer to yellow compared to the AVS setting. Other than that, both have the same easy-on-the-eye presentation.  Which do I like better?  Of course I like the more colorful one but the jury's still out on which looks more natural.  I'll have to watch more Blurays before I can decide. Maybe I'll post some pics so you guys can decide which looks more natural. 

Nevertheless, I would like to thank Sights & Sounds and Vic for delivering this great value added service. More power sir.
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: xxadonisxx on Feb 03, 2008 at 06:55 AM
I saw some reviews on the DV600 and medyo ok mga comments...

Please advise naman on the DV600 if you have ever encountered this machine before.


i have this dvd player, when playing standard dvd's the picture quality is really top notch.... but when playing some downloaded divx movies the unit sometimes hangs and freezes, that is why i still attached my old nextbase dvd player on top of my dv-600 so just in case the file won't play in my pioneer, i can still watch it on my nextbase which has no problems playing all types of divx but it is only on component connection though unlike the dv-600 which is hdmi.
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: byron on Feb 03, 2008 at 08:20 AM
Hi Adonis,
Seems may room for improvement pa ang DV600... around how much is the unit kaya and where would be the best place to buy it?

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: miccollo on Feb 03, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Hi Adonis,
Seems may room for improvement pa ang DV600... around how much is the unit kaya and where would be the best place to buy it?

Many thanks!

Byron,

meron nyan kina sir jeff(theatherworks)  at sir vic(sights and sounds), their price is cheaper by around 500-700 compared to the mall prices.
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: xxadonisxx on Feb 03, 2008 at 12:35 PM
@byron

i bought mine from jeff (nemesis) at theaterworks trinoma... their price is the cheapest that i have canvassed. i cannot post the price here because baka magalit yung mga malalaking appliance stores at sabihin sinisira ang retail price.. just go there and introduce yourself as pinoydvd member and you can avail of their readily discounted price for pinoydvd members.
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: byron on Feb 03, 2008 at 09:48 PM
WOW...

I went to Theaterworks this afternoon, wala si Jeff so I got the prices first... sige, pakikilala na lang ako dun once natyempohan ko si Jeff.

Thanks for the tip guys!

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Feb 03, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Pre eto ba ung calibration on the spyder na ginawa ni Paul of sights and sounds? Is it possible that you post that too?


thanks...
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Feb 04, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Pwede later but why settle for that when you can just ask Vic to calibrate your TV? You can pay for the service if you got your TV somewhere else.  :)  
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: E-reply on Feb 04, 2008 at 09:36 AM
Pre eto ba ung calibration on the spyder na ginawa ni Paul of sights and sounds? Is it possible that you post that too?


thanks...

Hey Louie! We can calibrate your TV. Just give me a call. I think you need Paul to come your place for another visit.
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: E-reply on Feb 04, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Paul of Sights & Sound came over late this afternoon and calibrated the 428XG using the Spyder.  He was done in about 30 minutes.  He commented that the calibrated settings (saved in User mode) were very close to the TV's default setting under Optimum mode.  Some TV's daw are way off the D65 ideal but this one was almost spot-on out of the box.

How do I compare it to my Movie mode setting which I got from Pio 8G owners on AVS forum and which is my current favorite?  Paul's is obviously more colorful. Mas tuminkad yung colors with the general tint nudged closer to yellow compared to the AVS setting. Other than that, both have the same easy-on-the-eye presentation.  Which do I like better?  Of course I like the more colorful one but the jury's still out on which looks more natural.  I'll have to watch more Blurays before I can decide. Maybe I'll post some pics so you guys can decide which looks more natural. 

Nevertheless, I would like to thank Sights & Sounds and Vic for delivering this great value added service. More power sir.

Nice observations! Enjoy your TV.  Thank you for being another satisfied customer from Sights and Sounds.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: byron on Feb 05, 2008 at 09:41 AM
Hi Guys,
Do you know if there will be another price action (price drop) on the Pioneer Kuros and when?

many thanks!
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: byron on Feb 05, 2008 at 09:55 AM
Hi E-reply,
Is the wall mount that you are bundling in the Pio428XG the one with the "movable arm" that can help users connect additional cables for new devices after the wall mount has been installed?


thanks!
Title: Re: Experience (good and bad) and Comments on the Pioneer PDP 428XG?
Post by: E-reply on Feb 05, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Hi E-reply,
Is the wall mount that you are bundling in the Pio428XG the one with the "movable arm" that can help users connect additional cables for new devices after the wall mount has been installed?


thanks!

The wall bracket is one that can tilt up, so that you can access the TV back connections.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Feb 06, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Papost nalang dito ng settings pre kasi taga pampanga pa ako =) and para makita narin ng ibang members kasi rami din yta nakabili dito =) also pano pwede pagandahin ung tv or cable viewing? naka dream satellite kasi ako medyo dull ung colors, ang gamit ko is composite kasi un ung kasama dun sa dream box, bumili na ako ng better cables pero halos ganon padin.. what do you think?

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Feb 07, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Papost nalang dito ng settings pre kasi taga pampanga pa ako =) and para makita narin ng ibang members kasi rami din yta nakabili dito =) also pano pwede pagandahin ung tv or cable viewing? naka dream satellite kasi ako medyo dull ung colors, ang gamit ko is composite kasi un ung kasama dun sa dream box, bumili na ako ng better cables pero halos ganon padin.. what do you think?

Sure cabalen but over the weekend na as I'll need to sit down in front of the telly with a pen a paper and take note of everything:).  Am just so busy right now I don't even have time to watch TV when I get home.  Can't help you with the Dream reception except to say that on my SKycable coax (which I spliced myself to insure workmanship) there's no problem with colors, just a general softness which is expected vis-a-vis CRT TV's but which to me is more than acceptable.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Feb 08, 2008 at 07:36 PM
sure man thanks.. may nakita din ako isang settings sa forum sa states, post ko din dito so you can try it out... thanks

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Mar 06, 2008 at 11:51 PM
To those who are thinking of buying a plasma pioneer i posted my setup here:

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=76469.0

thanks to all who helped me get this unit!
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Mar 07, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Congratulations Louie on your nice set up, kudos for the kuros !!! -from another cabalen
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: louie777 on Mar 07, 2008 at 01:01 AM
hehe taga pampanga ka din ba dude?
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: dB10 on Mar 07, 2008 at 10:43 AM
my clan is pampango-tarlac  ;)  but we grew up here and just visit relatives on occasion
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: E-reply on Mar 08, 2008 at 07:00 AM
To those who are thinking of buying a plasma pioneer i posted my setup here:

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=76469.0

thanks to all who helped me get this unit!

Congrats for putting up everything nicely.  The Pioneer Kuro is a good choice for ultimate home entertainment.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: byron on Mar 17, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Hi Guys,
I've finally decided on the Kuro 508XG.  I've posted the pic here:

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=63765.330
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: 2ne on Apr 28, 2008 at 04:31 PM
newbie here, im planning to buy 428xg..after a thorough canvassing, i learned that you are entitled for an isf calibration from authorized technician straight from pioneer philippines (although calibration settings for 8th gen isnt available as of yet) for free when purchasing 8th gen pioneer kuros.

Can anyone tell me what should I expect after an ISF calibration? Has anyone been disatisfied with the picture after the ISF calibration?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: E-reply on Apr 28, 2008 at 04:58 PM
newbie here, im planning to buy 428xg..after a thorough canvassing, i learned that you are entitled for an isf calibration from authorized technician straight from pioneer philippines (although calibration settings for 8th gen isnt available as of yet) for free when purchasing 8th gen pioneer kuros.

Can anyone tell me what should I expect after an ISF calibration? Has anyone been disatisfied with the picture after the ISF calibration?

Thanks in advance.

We sell Pioneer Kuro PDP428XG with free SpyderTV Pro Colorimeter Calibration. Many of our clients found calibrated TV improved with better skin tone color and better gradation of black contrast.

You may wish to visit us at Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangri-La Plaza to see for yourself the improved picture after TV was calibrated. For further inquiry, call 634-1789 to 90. Or mobile 09175413491.

 
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: 2ne on Apr 28, 2008 at 05:14 PM
pm cash price sir. thanks :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma review - Please help =)
Post by: Grimlock on May 29, 2008 at 08:12 AM
I tried to check the service menu of my 508XG, naka 100+ hours na din ako ;-). Below is the procedure from AVSforum (I just edited to match w/ 508XG):

WARNING!, do not change any settings, just view the settings

Start with the plasma in Standby
Make sure you point the remote directly at the IR sensor in the tv

Press INFO on the remote (just press, do not hold)
Wait 4 to 5 seconds
Press LEFT, UP, LEFT, RIGHT then POWER

If done correctly, the plasma turns on and the INFORMATION page is displayed

Then use the down arrow to page through to page 5
PANEL = the time the set has been on (format is 100H45M; 100 hours 45 min.)
MTB = the time the set has been plugged in

When you finish press the HOME MENU button



Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: thefeeder on Aug 07, 2008 at 07:21 PM
9G kuros may have been marketed in the states already.

@Nemesis and E-reply
Any news about the incoming 9G Kuro? Are there tentative prices already?

What about prices on the '07 Kuro's? nagbabaan na po ba? Been admiring kuro's since I've seen the displays. Please PM me sale prices if it's not too much trouble. Thanks in advance! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: E-reply on Aug 08, 2008 at 10:23 AM
9G kuros may have been marketed in the states already.

@Nemesis and E-reply
Any news about the incoming 9G Kuro? Are there tentative prices already?

What about prices on the '07 Kuro's? nagbabaan na po ba? Been admiring kuro's since I've seen the displays. Please PM me sale prices if it's not too much trouble. Thanks in advance! :)

There are none yet of the 9G Kuro in the Philippine market. By the way, the series '07 are not KURO, but regular Pioneer plasma TVs. Pioneer started KURO series on its 8 seires line-up.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: thefeeder on Aug 08, 2008 at 10:44 PM
There are none yet of the 9G Kuro in the Philippine market. By the way, the series '07 are not KURO, but regular Pioneer plasma TVs. Pioneer started KURO series on its 8 seires line-up.


hehe. i was referring to 2007 models ('07). pa-pm sale prices kung meron including 50 inchers. last time i checked with your guys shops it was tagged at 95 to 97k for the 42":)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: iiinas on Aug 08, 2008 at 10:58 PM
hehe. i was referring to 2007 models ('07). pa-pm sale prices kung meron including 50 inchers. last time i checked with your guys shops it was tagged at 95 to 97k for the 42":)

wow, at 95k its almost double the price of a pv8. double din kaya ang ganda sa pq. sabagay, iba talaga ang brand na kuro. if money is no object, kuro talaga.  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ericag_ph on Aug 13, 2008 at 02:26 AM
Just an FYI.

March 2008:

Pioneer to stop production of plasma panels
http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/2362/206/
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: iiinas on Aug 13, 2008 at 07:03 AM
Just an FYI.

March 2008:

Pioneer to stop production of plasma panels
http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/2362/206/

they will be using same panel as panasonic (biggest plasma panel manufacturer). but the chips and tech that is use to squeeze the picture out of the panel will still be proprietary, which in the end might spell the difference between a great pq or an excellent pq which owners of pioneer kuro plasma's are extremely proud of.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: barrister on Aug 13, 2008 at 03:31 PM
Just an FYI.

March 2008:

Pioneer to stop production of plasma panels
http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/2362/206/


That's old news. 

That news item appeared in pinoydvd in February, even before it was reported in that digitalhome website:


Plasma news:



Pioneer to stop making 42-inch plasma panels: report
Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:16am EST 

TOKYO (Reuters) - Pioneer Corp will stop making 42-inch plasma panels and instead buy panels in that size and smaller from Panasonic maker Matsushita Electric Industrial or Hitachi Ltd to turn around its loss-making flat TV business, the Asahi newspaper said.

Japanese consumer and auto electronics maker Pioneer will end output of such panels at a plant in Kagoshima prefecture in southern Japan as early as by March 2009, the paper said in the report on Saturday.

It will focus on making panels 50 inches or larger at other plants, the Asahi said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUST34259620080225




Posted on March 4, still earlier than digitalhome's March 7 post:


Pioneer says goodbye to plasma manufacturing  :o :o :o
Posted Mar 3rd 2008 6:42PM by Richard Lawler

We wondered why its so hard to find one of Pioneer's award winning Kuro plasmas on shelves these days, and here is the answer. The Nikkei is reporting that Pioneer plans to stop producing plasma panels altogether, and only put together HDTVs with panels purchased from other sources. Panasonic and Hitachi remain as the only Japanese plasma manufacturers, Pioneer already has a deal with the former to purchase plasmas for its 42-inch model, and will expand that agreement according to The Nikkei. Honestly, this wouldn't be a big deal for most companies, as we've seen with the Sony/Sharp/Samsung triangle in LCD manufacturing, but since Pioneer is the only manufacturer promising the blackest black levels this side of carbon nanotubes, we're freaking out a bit. Here's hoping Pioneer slides over the blueprints to the infinite contrast concept (and that sexy 9mm model) and keeps the party going.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/03/pioneer-says-goodbye-to-plasma-manufacturing/


Matinik talaga ang pinoydvd  ;). 



Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ruth2art on Aug 15, 2008 at 02:37 PM
Yup, mabibilis talaga dito sa pinoydvd.  ;D

Talking about hot news: Cnet reviews top 4 plasma TVs. 8/14/08.
"..the mother of all televisions: the Pioneer PDP-LX6090, which we think is quite possibly the best TV on the planet right now -- although it is rather pricey." Read on..
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39030219,49298368,00.htm

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Munskie on Aug 15, 2008 at 02:42 PM
Saw a Kuro sa SM appliance yesterday.   I was pretty impressed by its black level and color saturation.   Inky black talaga.    Wow sa PQ !!!  ;)

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: 2ne on Aug 15, 2008 at 02:50 PM
KURO at its best ;)

from CNET/ASIA review
"In a nutshell, you are paying for an LX Kuro clone with a near-identical feature set and an impressive 70 to 80 percent performance margin. The PDP-428XG may not be the most affordable 42-incher in the market, but then you're obviously not forking out twice and more to savor the renowned Kuro blacks and reference-grade picture quality. Now that’s a steal and great value for money."  

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0,39037588,42041631p,00.htm
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: thefeeder on Aug 15, 2008 at 03:32 PM
KURO at its best ;)

from CNET/ASIA review
"In a nutshell, you are paying for an LX Kuro clone with a near-identical feature set and an impressive 70 to 80 percent performance margin. The PDP-428XG may not be the most affordable 42-incher in the market, but then you're obviously not forking out twice and more to savor the renowned Kuro blacks and reference-grade picture quality. Now that’s a steal and great value for money."  

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0,39037588,42041631p,00.htm

I personally have noticed juddering with the 428xg that was not present on the 50 incher (displays in malls and I've seen it numerous times). I've read a comment that barrister wrote about 1024 x 768 not being able to display a natural 16:9 aspect ratio. This could probably be a contributing factor for the issues I've seen on the 42 inch kuro. I believe that I would rather get a 1366 x 768 screen just to be on the safe side. You're going to spend big money anyway, might as well be in debt for a few more months. haha.

Our resellers haven't posted nor pm'd new prices for last year's kuro line. It's probably still expensive and markups are limited for the shops' profit when compared with the Panasonic Plasma's (w/c are making a killing nowadays). Anyway, this is still the ghost month and some people are careful making big investments...me included hehe. Just hope prices go down by as much as 30 - 35% for the beloved kuros.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: 2ne on Aug 15, 2008 at 03:49 PM
I personally have noticed juddering with the 428xg that was not present on the 50 incher (displays in malls and I've seen it numerous times). I've read a comment that barrister wrote about 1024 x 768 not being able to display a natural 16:9 aspect ratio. This could probably be a contributing factor for the issues I've seen on the 42 inch kuro. I believe that I would rather get a 1366 x 768 screen just to be on the safe side. You're going to spend big money anyway, might as well be in debt for a few more months. haha.

i change the default settings of film mode from standard to advance/smooth under pro adjust>pure cinema>film mode to eliminate motion judder :) this is one feature that kuro has..  the ones displayed in malls are in default settings. if i just have a space for a 50 incher in my room, id definitely didnt hesitated to pick that over the 42's ;) yet i'm still loving my kuro daily:D ;)

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/461076357Brochure-PDP-4280HD.pdf
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: thefeeder on Aug 15, 2008 at 05:12 PM
i change the default settings of film mode from standard to advance/smooth under pro adjust>pure cinema>film mode to eliminate motion judder :) this is one feature that kuro has..  the ones displayed in malls are in default settings. if i just have a space for a 50 incher in my room, id definitely didnt hesitated to pick that over the 42's ;) yet i'm still loving my kuro daily:D ;)

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/461076357Brochure-PDP-4280HD.pdf

Thanks for the input. Is that the setting to activate the 24p 72Hz film mode? I also thought that would help, but i'm not sure if the judder that i'm referring to is the same with what the film mode will rectify. Well better test it out myself in i can get a hold of one (with the coop of my wallet). :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: 2ne on Aug 15, 2008 at 05:38 PM
Thanks for the input. Is that the setting to activate the 24p 72Hz film mode? I also thought that would help, but i'm not sure if the judder that i'm referring to is the same with what the film mode will rectify. Well better test it out myself in i can get a hold of one (with the coop of my wallet). :)

the "advance" purecinema setting will activate the 24p 72Hz for accurate playback of content..the "smooth" setting will activate the 24p 60hz..in my experience with my panel the film mode pure cinema feature will rectify the judder ;)..if im not mistaken, you cannot adjust the PRO ADJUST (where the film mode setting can be change) under OPTIMUM mode..i have to check it pa nalimutan ko na e ;D ;D nakaset na kase ung options ko for viewing preferences..for cable tv viewing im using the optimum mode, then for movie viewing im using the movie mode (customized settings which i got from one of the posters here under the thread PIONEER PLASMA REVIEW), for gaming, im using the game mode. and btw referring to 42's all widescreen tv has an aspect ratio of 16:9, regardless of native resolution (1024 x 768).  see this link  http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=80914.0 cheers!
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: R1DVD on Aug 16, 2008 at 10:52 AM
To all pioneer Kuro 428XG owners, have you had burn-in problems with your plasma when used for gaming.  How about image retention?  How long does it take for IR to disappear?  I plan to get the 42" kuro and it will be used 50% for gaming and 50% for dvd.  Need your advice.  Thanks
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: 2ne on Aug 16, 2008 at 11:27 AM
To all pioneer Kuro 428XG owners, have you had burn-in problems with your plasma when used for gaming.  How about image retention?  How long does it take for IR to disappear?  I plan to get the 42" kuro and it will be used 50% for gaming and 50% for dvd.  Need your advice.  Thanks

no IR's nor Burn-in ;) just set the seamless orbiter to ON and your good to go
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ruth2art on Aug 17, 2008 at 12:10 AM
To all pioneer Kuro 428XG owners, have you had burn-in problems with your plasma when used for gaming.  How about image retention?  How long does it take for IR to disappear?  I plan to get the 42" kuro and it will be used 50% for gaming and 50% for dvd.  Need your advice.  Thanks

Since plasma TVs (not only Pioneer Kuro) have evolved during the past 10 years, the issue of burn-in and IR is a already a thing of the past.
You will have to leave your tv on "pause"  continuously for several weeks for those problems to occur.

So, go get your 42 Kuro and start enjoying your games & dvds. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: R1DVD on Aug 17, 2008 at 07:11 AM
Thanks for the inputs.  I asked this because I read from another thread that Panasonic PV8 has image retention problem
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ruth2art on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Pioneer Kuro Plasma TV bags another award:

Pioneer KURO PDP-LX6090 wins European plasma award
"...Pioneer's much fancied KURO range of plasma TVs provided the winner of the European Imaging and Sound Association (EISA) award European plasma TV for 2008-2009.
The PDP-LX6090 was praised for black levels that resulted in finer details and greater contrast. The effusive judges said: "Thanks to an amazingly low black level – Pioneer calls it KURO – this set's contrast ratio is sky-high. The result is an impression of immense depth and crisp detailing, to a level and quality not seen before on a plasma TV."


Read on..
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/press/news/eisa_pdplx6090.html
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Carlo777 on Aug 23, 2008 at 10:09 AM
I'm really thinking about getting this unit over a Panasonic Plasma, since this will be a living room T.V hows the Cable performance? (I already know the DVD/Blu-Ray capability)

Any other site where I can get reviews about this T.V? More links will really be helpful!

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards,
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ruth2art on Aug 29, 2008 at 08:57 PM
I'm really thinking about getting this unit over a Panasonic Plasma, since this will be a living room T.V hows the Cable performance? (I already know the DVD/Blu-Ray capability)

Any other site where I can get reviews about this T.V? More links will really be helpful!

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards,
carlo777....
Try reading the "Plasma Thread" posts. There are lots of information and experiences shared by members with regards to their
plasma tv panels. Here's one ....
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=63765.msg735487;topicseen#msg735487



Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: R1DVD on Aug 30, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Finally got my 42" Kuro yesterday c/o E-reply (thanks Vic for the nice deal).  I was really impressed by the black level of this Kuro that's why I chose it over the Panasonic plasma.  Carlo777, cable performance is quite good.  Cableviewing-wise, I wasn't really expecting much (since I bought this mainly for DVD and gaming).  I was actually expecting it to be worse than  on my Samsung 32R81 since cable noise is usually magnified on a larger screen, or so I thought.  I was really surprised by the PQ from cable signal.  Also, compared with my samsung LCD, cable set-up is much easier.  With my Samsung, after 'auto-programming', the channels are jumbled and it took me a while to place them in proper order.  Not with this TV.  Cable channels are assigned to the correct channel numbers.

So far, after a day of watching, I'm very impressed by the PQ of this plasma.  My only minor gripe is the lack of a dedicated sleep button on the remote (sleep mode can be activated by going to the menu).
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: E-reply on Aug 31, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Finally got my 42" Kuro yesterday c/o E-reply (thanks Vic for the nice deal).  I was really impressed by the black level of this Kuro that's why I chose it over the Panasonic plasma.  Carlo777, cable performance is quite good.  Cableviewing-wise, I wasn't really expecting much (since I bought this mainly for DVD and gaming).  I was actually expecting it to be worse than  on my Samsung 32R81 since cable noise is usually magnified on a larger screen, or so I thought.  I was really surprised by the PQ from cable signal.  Also, compared with my samsung LCD, cable set-up is much easier.  With my Samsung, after 'auto-programming', the channels are jumbled and it took me a while to place them in proper order.  Not with this TV.  Cable channels are assigned to the correct channel numbers.

So far, after a day of watching, I'm very impressed by the PQ of this plasma.  My only minor gripe is the lack of a dedicated sleep button on the remote (sleep mode can be activated by going to the menu).

Thanks for buying a plasma KURO from us. Finally, you got your dream TV...cheers!
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: CMac on Sep 14, 2008 at 12:18 AM
how much po yung mga kuro models nowadays? have the prices plummeted yet?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Sep 14, 2008 at 01:38 AM
I've used the 428XG for 10 months now and so far:

I have no negative thing to say about this TV, it's as good as they say it is. It's built reliably, no defects whatsoever up to today. I finished many PS3 games and not once did I observe a trace of image retention much less screen burn. Channel logos? No problem. With this TV, this old plasma issue is well and truly licked (as long as you set the 'orbital' function on).

In my experience, cable TV viewing improved over time, no idea how, but it improved to the point where I now prefer watching cable on the plasma instead of my Wega. Images used to be too soft, now its very acceptable.  Sound using the TV's speakers is excellent.

Of course it's best at playing HD content. The BBC Planet Earth series in bluray never fails to elicit oohs and ahs from my visitors. Colors are natural and beyond 4-feet, you won't notice the jaggies anymore meaning 720p is plenty enough pixels for HD viewing.

I'd get this TV with a base stand though.  I got it with a plexiglass rack to which the TV is mounted as in a wall. On this particular rack, the TV leans noticeably forward (like 5 dregrees beyond vertical) and no amount of adjustment can eliminate the lean angle.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: thefeeder on Sep 17, 2008 at 05:36 PM
baka lang merong hindi pa alam yung link na ito sa AVS.

I always gawk at these pics pag walang magawa.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920011 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920011)

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: 2ne on Sep 18, 2008 at 08:31 AM


I always gawk at these pics pag walang magawa.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920011 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920011)



 :o :o ganda ng kuro talaga..its like your looking outside the window sa sobrang ganda ng pq. its really nice to have a bigger panel ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: thefeeder on Sep 18, 2008 at 04:51 PM
:o :o ganda ng kuro talaga..its like your looking outside the window sa sobrang ganda ng pq. its really nice to have a bigger panel ;D

post din kayo boss. lalo na game screenshots. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ruth2art on Oct 16, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Pioneer's Kuro Elite: Best flat-panel HDTV ever
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10054347-1.html

CNET editors' review
    * Reviewed by: David Katzmaier
    * Reviewed on: 09/30/2008
    * Released on: 08/01/2008

... For once, the headline is not an exaggeration. We just finished testing the 50-inch PRO-111FD, and like most professional publications who got there first, and most viewers who have seen this TV or its 60-inch brother in action, we came away very impressed by what we saw--so much that we felt compelled to award the first "10" we've ever given for picture quality.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Carlo777 on Oct 17, 2008 at 12:23 AM
baka lang merong hindi pa alam yung link na ito sa AVS.

I always gawk at these pics pag walang magawa.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920011 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920011)


Wow, those pics are truly amazing. I've been looking at them and what can I say I'm impressed.

Title: Pioneer Plasma need help
Post by: odontek on Nov 28, 2008 at 02:57 PM
Hi Guys,

I have a problem with my plasma screen. I have a Pioneer PDP series 42", I moved my stuff for cleaning and when I reconnected all of them when I turned on the TV to my surprise instead of having 1 single scene in the monitor the scene appeared like a puzzle divided into 8. Parang puzzle sya na ginulo into 8pcs. What could have caused this? To those who have experienced the same please advice on how to fix this.  :) thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma need help
Post by: Grimlock on Nov 28, 2008 at 05:19 PM
Sir, I think you need to contact your vendor to check your plasma. I don't see any controls/settings to display such 8-way squares  :(
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma need help
Post by: odontek on Dec 01, 2008 at 11:30 AM
thanks contacted them already and it looks like somethings wrong with the control board in the TV :(

Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma need help
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 01, 2008 at 12:41 PM
thanks contacted them already and it looks like somethings wrong with the control board in the TV :(
please update us with what happened after the repair and what caused it  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer Plasma need help
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Dec 11, 2008 at 05:40 PM
Hi Guys,

I have a problem with my plasma screen. I have a Pioneer PDP series 42", I moved my stuff for cleaning and when I reconnected all of them when I turned on the TV to my surprise instead of having 1 single scene in the monitor the scene appeared like a puzzle divided into 8. Parang puzzle sya na ginulo into 8pcs. What could have caused this? To those who have experienced the same please advice on how to fix this.  :) thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.

Is your TV fixed? Is this a Kuro model by the way?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Mar 22, 2009 at 07:51 PM

Thanks to my Brothers who stays in the US

Bought Bnew thru an on-line auction and one of the last remaining.
 April '08 manufacturing date

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/kuro003.jpg)

PDP-5010FD

50" Class (49.85" Diagonal) 1080p KURO Flat Panel HDTV
High-Definition 1080p Resolution (1920 x 1080p)
4 Independent HDMI® 1.3 Inputs
Deep, Intense Blacks for Unmatched Contrast

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/PioneerTVs/PDP-5010FD?tab=A (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/PioneerTVs/PDP-5010FD?tab=A)

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2486/pioneer-kuro-pdp-5010fd-50-inch-plasma-hdtv.html (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2486/pioneer-kuro-pdp-5010fd-50-inch-plasma-hdtv.html)


Unpacking

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/kuro001.jpg)

Sample picture taken by an iphone , it does not do justice to how nice the PQ really is.

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/kuro.jpg)

I did try it with my MKV collection and it really really is that good as they say ..

I will post other pictures later

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: juanch on Mar 23, 2009 at 01:45 PM
congrats! jambam  :o

That's a really beautiful screen. I also want one sana
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: mac_mini on Mar 23, 2009 at 09:51 PM
niceeeee :o
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: waywardsoul on Mar 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM
WOW!  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: keymaker on Mar 24, 2009 at 05:01 PM
@jambam,

  How much did it cost to bring it to manila?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Mar 24, 2009 at 06:38 PM
@jambam,

  How much did it cost to bring it to manila?

$210 inland US shipping  + $400 shipping US to manila
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: milken on Mar 24, 2009 at 09:19 PM
$210 inland US shipping  + $400 shipping US to manila

how much is the custom duties? 
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Mar 24, 2009 at 11:51 PM
how much is the custom duties? 

The shipping charges to Manila was all inclusive door to door
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: keymaker on Mar 25, 2009 at 04:00 PM
The shipping charges to Manila was all inclusive door to door

Did you have the shipment insured? If so, was it included in the shipping charges? :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Mar 25, 2009 at 09:49 PM
Did you have the shipment insured? If so, was it included in the shipping charges? :)

It was really a big risk shipping it , there was actually a small crack or more like a scratch in the surrounding plexiglass, because the styrofoam already had some damage when it was shipped so it compromised the protection of the screen. Lesson here is make sure the original packing is 100% intact .

But you have to see the picture to really say it was worth getting this plasma screen , and I am comparing it to my 2 panasonic 42" plasmas . and my Ax200 projector .  I can sit 5 feet away from the screen and watch HD , as if I was just looking at a big picture frame.

In fact I am thinking of selling one of my 32" LCDs and maybe try to get another one of these before they disappear.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Apr 02, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Hoping I Get this one next ....


(http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/PUSA/Images/KRP-500M_800.jpg)
KRP-500M

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Other/KRP-500M (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Other/KRP-500M)

50-Inch Class (49.85” Diagonal) 1080p KURO Flat Panel Monitor
High-Definition 1080p Resolution (1920 x 1080p)
Deep Intense Blacks for Unmatched Contrast
Ultra-thin Cosmetic Design (2.5" deep)
Expanded Picture Set-up and Adjustment for Custom Calibration
IP Control for Set-up, Control, Configuration and Self-diagnostics


Actually my brother has another 5010 in transit but I changed my mind to get the monitor na lang , the other 5010 is being offered  at landed cost at the marketplace section
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Apr 16, 2009 at 08:16 PM
Dumating na sa Kapatid ko kanina lang.....

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/krp500.jpg)

Testing lang bago ipadala next week

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/krp500_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Grimlock on Apr 17, 2009 at 01:00 PM
Congrats jambam, siguradong hindi ka magsisisi, yung akin mag 1 year na, always takes my breath away  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Apr 17, 2009 at 01:17 PM
Congrats jambam, siguradong hindi ka magsisisi, yung akin mag 1 year na, always takes my breath away  ;)

Salamat ...talagang maganda siya , kaya nagpakuha ako ng pangalawa bago maubos o tumaas ang price pa...

Mainit nga lang talaga ang plasma lalo na pag 50" or more ..
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Grimlock on Apr 17, 2009 at 01:33 PM
Yup, mainit sya, pero mararamdaman mo lang syang mainit pag lumapit ka ng maigi sa screen. Nagpa calibrate ka ba? If not, you may want to try calibration ni Bumptious ng avforum, use the 8 G D65 HDMI Settings

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/544315-pioneer-8g-owners-thread.html

IMHO, maganda kaysa sa suggested settings ni D-nice ng avsforum, below is the link of d-nice settings

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858851

Enjoy!!!

Salamat ...talagang maganda siya , kaya nagpakuha ako ng pangalawa bago maubos o tumaas ang price pa...

Mainit nga lang talaga ang plasma lalo na pag 50" or more ..
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Apr 17, 2009 at 02:20 PM
Yup, mainit sya, pero mararamdaman mo lang syang mainit pag lumapit ka ng maigi sa screen. Nagpa calibrate ka ba? If not, you may want to try calibration ni Bumptious ng avforum, use the 8 G D65 HDMI Settings

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/544315-pioneer-8g-owners-thread.html

IMHO, maganda kaysa sa suggested settings ni D-nice ng avsforum, below is the link of d-nice settings

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858851

Enjoy!!!



Yun Panasonic  42" di gaano maramdaman ang init kung hawakan mo lang . pero itong Kuro na 50" pag daan mo lang sa harap mga 1ft in front alam mo ng mainit.

Thanks sa links ... Yes I am using D-nice settings fior the 5010 na 8G

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Grimlock on Apr 17, 2009 at 03:57 PM
I guess mas mainit kuro natin kasi 50 incher, mas mataas wattage, good to know you use d-nice but like I said, I prefer Bumptious' settings, mas accurate skin tones.

Sana matuloy pa din Kuro 10g, kahit na give-up na ng Pioneer production ng plasma, hopefully Pioneer will pass on to Panasonic the kuro technology



Yun Panasonic  42" di gaano maramdaman ang init kung hawakan mo lang . pero itong Kuro na 50" pag daan mo lang sa harap mga 1ft in front alam mo ng mainit.

Thanks sa links ... Yes I am using D-nice settings fior the 5010 na 8G


Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Apr 17, 2009 at 04:21 PM
Yun Kuro ko kasi is US version medyo limited yun adjustments niya na available sa user . kaya yun bumptious settings hindi ko magamit ang mga Low and high RGB settings niya.

Yan ang maganda sa asian version yun level of adjustments available is equivalent sa US Elite version

To get the same level of adjustments you have, kailangan ko pumasok sa service mode
 
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Grimlock on Apr 20, 2009 at 04:03 PM
Ah oo nga pala, US version ka nga pala. anyways kumusta viewing experience mo?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: raptor on Apr 20, 2009 at 06:59 PM
sirs,

you might be interested to download the pioneer demo - The Kuro Experience ... here's the link - http://www.demo-world.eu/trailers/high-definition-trailers.php

other HD demo video are also available on that site
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Apr 20, 2009 at 08:41 PM
Ah oo nga pala, US version ka nga pala. anyways kumusta viewing experience mo?

Maganda talaga ang mababang black level, problema nga lang magkakasakit ka ng sars nito sa ibang gamit mo . Napapansin ko ang kakulangnan ng aking Ax-200 na projector in terms of black level.  Di ko inabot ang sale ng Pro-fpj1 (JVC RS-2 ) ng pioneer around 30% lang ng list price last mid february.

sirs,

you might be interested to download the pioneer demo - The Kuro Experience ... here's the link - http://www.demo-world.eu/trailers/high-definition-trailers.php

other HD demo video are also available on that site

Thanks raptor for the link...

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: anchit on Apr 21, 2009 at 10:58 AM
sirs,

you might be interested to download the pioneer demo - The Kuro Experience ... here's the link - http://www.demo-world.eu/trailers/high-definition-trailers.php

other HD demo video are also available on that site

bro anong format ng files dito? .mkv?

thanks!
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: milken on Apr 21, 2009 at 06:35 PM
bro anong format ng files dito? .mkv?

thanks!

I downloaded this myself. It's in .m2ts file container.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: anchit on Apr 22, 2009 at 01:37 PM
I downloaded this myself. It's in .m2ts file container.

yeah i download some clips too, hirap laptop ko iplay humihinto.

would you know if WDTV can play this format bro?  thanks!
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: milken on Apr 22, 2009 at 02:39 PM
yeah i download some clips too, hirap laptop ko iplay humihinto.

would you know if WDTV can play this format bro?  thanks!

i think so but i'm not so sure.  i don't have WDTV.  My egreat plays it flawlessly.  .m2ts is the file format in full bluray disc.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: sardaukar on Apr 22, 2009 at 03:09 PM
would you know if WDTV can play this format bro?  thanks!

Yes it can.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: anchit on Apr 22, 2009 at 04:25 PM
Yes it can.

thanks bro! WDTV here I come! ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on May 17, 2009 at 08:31 AM
Just recieved

KRP 500

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/IMG_0182.jpg)

Testing Lang

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/IMG_0185.jpg)

It's a monitor only ....no stand , no tuner , no speaker
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Jun 02, 2009 at 07:00 PM
These things are going fast and in short supply
Already my brother in US ordered a krp 600. 60 inch kuro monitor Waited a month and a half for delivery . And was given a broken (basag) ??? unit not once  but twice >:( >:( . Due to poor handling and maybe packaging .He wanted to wait for a third try but was refunded his money since they
Cannot promise him a delivery date. Now prices has gone up
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Jun 13, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Finally decided to start setting up . Sorry for the quality of the pics phone cam lang

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/IMG_0213.jpg)
The KRP 500 is not as thin as the Led LCD's but better than the older gen

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/IMG_0215.jpg)

Undergoing BurnIn

From AVS Forum

Recommended 150 Hour Break-In settings for Pioneer 101FD/111FD/141FD/151FD (ONLY to be used with Evangelo2's Break-in DVD or Thumbdrive Files!!!!!!!!)

*****Note: This procedure is designed to be performed only during the first 150 hours of the display's lifespan. This procedure is designed to ensure the reference settings listed below provide maximum satisfaction. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used solely as Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention.*****


(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/IMG_0217.jpg)

~ 370 watts .......


(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/edpenas_1/IMG_0228.jpg)

Temporary setup . Still under the 150 Hour B/I .


From Avs forum ... What is good about the Krp500

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16610558#post16610558 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16610558#post16610558)

Quote
I can probably only tell the difference between the black bars and the bezel because I know the black bars are there.


Quote
You are not seeing things. The 500M and snobby brother (PRO-101FD) share a revised version of original 9G PDP module. These revised PDP models add additional Kuro tech that we would have seen on the 10G Kuros. The difference between the 500M and 111FD I have is almost as dramatic as the difference between the 8G Kuros and "Rev A" 9G Kuros.

Parang 3rd Gen Kuro na pala ito  :)

I just did a short comparison w/ my other flat panel and what I saw was the details in the black scene are not washed out , on my other display it was only black on this one you see the graduation of the black and see the details , also I saw dark brown shirt on the KRP , but on a different display it was a different shade of black ....

Maybe this is just calibration . But I did not expect nor was looking to see these details but it was very obvious . I will try to see if I can take a proper picture to show it .
Title: 60-inch Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M
Post by: DViant on Jul 17, 2009 at 01:52 AM
Price?  ;D or is there something bigger/better?
Title: Re: 60-inch Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M
Post by: CMac on Jul 17, 2009 at 06:05 PM
better -> KRP-600M with a KRP-500A-like tuner  :)
Title: Re: 60-inch Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M
Post by: DViant on Jul 17, 2009 at 06:21 PM
Not considering it anymore. It's too much money for a TV. Budget's 192k only.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: number1 on Aug 25, 2009 at 10:24 PM
How much are they selling the KRP-500M and KRP-600M here in the Philippines?

Since these are being sold here in Asia, does it mean it has less features (compared to the ones sold in the US)? Read somewhere that Panasonic units being sold here have less features than those sold in the US. I don't know if Pioneer subscribes to the same practice.

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: pekspert on Aug 25, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Jambam, where will you get a stand for that? Wall mount mo ba? Thats the model that i can only afford sa pioneer hehe. Its on sale in the US and want to get one kahit na monitor lang. External tuner box na lang ako.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: anchit on Aug 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Jambam, where will you get a stand for that? Wall mount mo ba? Thats the model that i can only afford sa pioneer hehe. Its on sale in the US and want to get one kahit na monitor lang. External tuner box na lang ako.


sir if i may ask. magkano na sya sa US? thanks!
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: TOY 01 on Aug 26, 2009 at 01:24 PM

sir if i may ask. magkano na sya sa US? thanks!

http://www.beachcamera.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PRKRP500M

$1,594 with Free Shipping after CB (w/o stand)

http://www.monitoroutlet.com/product/pioneer_krp_500m_kuro_50_quot_plasma_hdtv_1080p_with_krp_ts02pm_tabletop_stand,36651.html

$1,634.99 free shipping (with stand)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: pekspert on Aug 26, 2009 at 01:40 PM
Sir Toy, quote mo naman ako ng shipping for that (Pioneer 50"). I can buy it in the US and just have it shipped sa brother mo.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Aug 26, 2009 at 01:45 PM
How much are they selling the KRP-500M and KRP-600M here in the Philippines?

Since these are being sold here in Asia, does it mean it has less features (compared to the ones sold in the US)? Read somewhere that Panasonic units being sold here have less features than those sold in the US. I don't know if Pioneer subscribes to the same practice.



SRP KRP 500 =P339K  KRP 600 =P399K  discount offered was 70k if I remember correctly

For KRP500 /600 the ones sold locally actually have more features , Isffc, stand /speakers included , than that of the US market models , but not enough to offset the price difference even after shipping etc..

It's really how much risk you want to take in shipping , as these have been known to break

Jambam, where will you get a stand for that? Wall mount mo ba? Thats the model that i can only afford sa pioneer hehe. Its on sale in the US and want to get one kahit na monitor lang. External tuner box na lang ako.

 I changed my order to include a stand, so I have one .  But in case you get one w/out stand you can buy one of the Bello stand's that include a universal bracket . The external tuner box , used for PC monitors will work , since I use one but , i would recomend you just subscribe either to cignal hd satellite or skycable hd . To get  a better picture.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: anchit on Aug 26, 2009 at 02:23 PM
http://www.beachcamera.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PRKRP500M

$1,594 with Free Shipping after CB (w/o stand)

http://www.monitoroutlet.com/product/pioneer_krp_500m_kuro_50_quot_plasma_hdtv_1080p_with_krp_ts02pm_tabletop_stand,36651.html

$1,634.99 free shipping (with stand)


greabe pala price difference ha.

how much will it cost kaya shipping it here to manila?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: TOY 01 on Aug 26, 2009 at 02:24 PM
Sir Toy, quote mo naman ako ng shipping for that (Pioneer 50"). I can buy it in the US and just have it shipped sa brother mo.

ok sir pm sent...
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: XmetaL on Aug 26, 2009 at 02:28 PM

greabe pala price difference ha.

how much will it cost kaya shipping it here to manila?

depends $200 - $500 tax included

try www.manilaforwarder.com

look for kristin

have it delivered in their US warehouse and they will ship it to your doorstep in 26-30 days
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: number1 on Aug 26, 2009 at 09:58 PM
In the US they seem to have different model number scheme


Monitor Only


50" Class (49.85” Diagonal)
PRO-101FD Signature Series Monitor

60" Class (59.58” Diagonal)
PRO-141FD Signature Series Monitor


Pioneer USA (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/Enhanced+Content/Monitors)

Are these the equivalent of the locally available KRP-500M and KRP-600M?

And how come it is being sold in the US so cheap, while they are *really* squeezing potential buyers here?

I really admire those who can stomach the risk of shipping it here from the US. The risks of going warranty-less and sustaining damage(s) in transit are risks that are too much to bear (even with the savings).


************

Ok to answer my own query. Those are not equivalent to the KRP-x00M being sold here. The KRP-x00M series are being filed under " Other Plasmas (http://Other Plasmas) ". So they are neither Pioneer, Elite, etc... Strange.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: blued888 on Aug 27, 2009 at 12:56 AM
And how come it is being sold in the US so cheap, while they are *really* squeezing potential buyers here?

In the US, price fluctuations on electronic devices are extremely common. That's definitely not the case here, which is definitely why I admire how TheaterWorks and Sights & Sounds can plummet prices on some TV models while Abenson, etc. still price them at an arm and leg.

Feeling ko mabibilang pa ng mga Pioneer dealers/sellers yun mga nabili na KURO panels sa kanila. ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: borly on Aug 27, 2009 at 01:50 AM
how i wish for the 428xg to be still available.  :(
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: E-reply on Aug 27, 2009 at 07:36 PM
how i wish for the 428xg to be still available.  :(

Company just called up. There is still one sealed unit of 428XG at P103K.  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: borly on Aug 27, 2009 at 08:09 PM
Company just called up. There is still one sealed unit of 428XG at P103K.  :D

Thanks, Vic.  I'll call as soon as I make my mind (and my budget). :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: number1 on Sep 02, 2009 at 07:10 AM
Will there be new Kuro model for this year (2009)? KRP600 and 500M are from last year, right? I want to get the last generation of Kuro before Pioneer exits the business.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Sep 02, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Will there be new Kuro model for this year (2009)? KRP600 and 500M are from last year, right? I want to get the last generation of Kuro before Pioneer exits the business.

They KRP series are the last in the series , in fact the KRP500 in particular had an update that makes it the blackest in the kuro series , like a 9.5gen kuro  , where the Lx508  (5010 sa US) was 8th gen . The  Lx509 (5020 in the US) or 9th gen was never released here.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 06, 2009 at 06:21 PM
I saw a couple of brand new Pioneer Kuros marked as "sold" at HMR.  According to the guy there, both were priced under 80k.  It wasn't up close but I am positively sure both were 50 in at least.

The guy there did say "May parating pa naman, ser. Unahan lang talaga. Meron pa yatang mga Pioneer na malalaki sa Sta. Rosa, brand new din."

I will be probably be in Sta. Rosa tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: frenchbulldog on Sep 07, 2009 at 10:20 PM
@Verbl kint
Saan na branch na HMR po. Thank you
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 07, 2009 at 10:38 PM
im just afraid how HMR handle warranty issues.  :(
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Carlo777 on Sep 07, 2009 at 10:48 PM
im just afraid how HMR handle warranty issues.  :(

If this HMR is the same company that handles the S.O.S shops then I'd really think twice.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: pekspert on Sep 07, 2009 at 11:01 PM
yup warranty would be a real problem with those companies. After you pay, youre on your own. The term "customer service" is greek to them.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 08, 2009 at 06:16 AM
That much is true.  I haven't checked their warranties yet, to be honest.

However, the lure of a sub-80k priced Kuro can be hard to resist. Turth be told, if I ever see a KRP-600M ( even a 500M) for 80k, I would snatch it in a heartbeat, so long as it's brand new.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: anchit on Feb 21, 2011 at 07:23 PM
my boss is inclined to get the 60" krp600m, any downside aside from it not having a tuner? thanks!
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: pekspert on Feb 21, 2011 at 11:05 PM
the only downside is its expensive ;D

Pioneer Rules pa din!
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 22, 2011 at 06:19 AM
my boss is inclined to get the 60" krp600m, any downside aside from it not having a tuner? thanks!

Downside, it gets very very hot on the front surface (space heater), it consumes a whole lot of electricity,  you need controlled lighting environment and it got stuck at model 2008.  But these issues are probably trivial for someone who wants to own a Kuro and can very well afford to have one.

For the price, I'd rather buy a 65V 3D Plasma.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Apr 15, 2011 at 10:22 AM
guys just got my kuro! i have to say its amazing!

I had pioneer install a free wall bracket. I did some measurements on the brackets rear space, between the tv and my wall, strangely the brackets rear space is much shorter by 4 cm the safe 10cm distance the manual says. Will it increase its chances of over heating my tv? 
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ninjababez® on Apr 15, 2011 at 01:01 PM
my boss is inclined to get the 60" krp600m, any downside aside from it not having a tuner? thanks!
magkano naman bro francis?  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Apr 15, 2011 at 01:06 PM
May nabibili pa bang KURO here in the Phils and in the US,..?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Apr 15, 2011 at 01:20 PM
May nabibili pa bang KURO here in the Phils and in the US,..?

yeah, meron pa. Your last chance to buy the last of the kuros. Pioneer says around 20 krp500a left and probably a few more Lx508 8th gen panels.

if you can't get these than probably the upcoming panasonic VT30 series can match these TVs.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: mandyb on Apr 15, 2011 at 01:25 PM
@abc - apparently its available here. im surprised really. its in all sm appliance and sns.

The brand new models are krp 500A and the display units are krp 500M. One difference between them is the pure AV mode which makes me quite curious on the difference.

Can anyone here share if the pure av mode makes a huge difference? From what i read, this mode doesnt make the plasma process anything and just replicates the dvd/blu ray source directly.

Also the 500A in europe has the pure AV mode, philippines and hk dont have this option...Why?

Thanks in advance guys.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Apr 15, 2011 at 01:38 PM
@abc - apparently its available here. im surprised really. its in all sm appliance and sns.

The brand new models are krp 500A and the display units are krp 500M. One difference between them is the pure AV mode which makes me quite curious on the difference.

Can anyone here share if the pure av mode makes a huge difference? From what i read, this mode doesnt make the plasma process anything and just replicates the dvd/blu ray source directly.

Also the 500A in europe has the pure AV mode, philippines and hk dont have this option...Why?

Thanks in advance guys.

If you can find the 500M go for it. Its way better than the 500A. M's have a DVI port and lan ports and the aforementioned pure mode. While A gets a media box and some  A is more like a hybrid of the euro LX5090 firmware mixed with the panels of the krp500M 9G, in other words 500A is slightly worse than the 500M but I can assure you the A is still one of the best Tv very made and if calibrated


i spoke to some Singaporeans and they gladly told me the differences of the A and M. i learned quite a lot.
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45450.1410 (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45450.1410)


Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: mandyb on Apr 15, 2011 at 02:23 PM
wow, good information indeed. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Clondalkin on Apr 15, 2011 at 02:31 PM
How much is the KRP500A?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: mandyb on Apr 15, 2011 at 02:35 PM
the other day it was 149k tag price sa sm, i think without the bundles 120k nalang cash or card
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Clondalkin on Apr 15, 2011 at 02:42 PM
the other day it was 149k tag price sa sm, i think without the bundles 120k nalang cash or card


Thanks.  Same market price as the VT30.  To 3D or not to 3D.  Hehehe
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Apr 15, 2011 at 03:02 PM

Thanks.  Same market price as the VT30.  To 3D or not to 3D.  Hehehe

nope. Pansonic Philippines will obviously price its new VT30 for around 300k+ like the old vt25 when it was first released. Price point the GT30 will probably be priced closer to the krp500A in today's market.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Clondalkin on Apr 15, 2011 at 08:51 PM
nope. Pansonic Philippines will obviously price its new VT30 for around 300k+ like the old vt25 when it was first released. Price point the GT30 will probably be priced closer to the krp500A in today's market.

300K for a 50 inch HDTV?  What???  If that is the case, then the GT30 which is 30% less than the VT30 will be more than 200K.    So that leaves the ST30 as the possible choice, but who will buy a mirror like TV, prone to glare for 150K?   No la.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Apr 15, 2011 at 09:26 PM
300K for a 50 inch HDTV?  What???  If that is the case, then the GT30 which is 30% less than the VT30 will be more than 200K.    So that leaves the ST30 as the possible choice, but who will buy a mirror like TV, prone to glare for 150K?   No la.  ;D

The 65 and not 55 inch will be around 300k. This is just based on last years vt25 prices. Cross your fingers that's will not be the case.

Mirror like TV? Glare? Plasma screens are gloss but they produce the best picture quality, not even LED or LCD can top plasma in terms of PQ
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Clondalkin on Apr 15, 2011 at 10:44 PM
Mirror like TV? Glare?

Not my V2 (I can watch anything on the V2 with awesome PQ even if I turn on all the bright house lights and let sunlight through the veranda within the immediate surrounding of the TV), not the new VT3 as well, even the GT3 has very minimal glare and subdued reflections.  The ST30 is totally different in terms of level and clarity of reflection and susceptibility to glare and lighting compared to the top of the line plasmas from Panasonic - and so are most of other plasma makes and models I think.

Sony recognized the importance of keeping reflectivity and glare at a minimum - their 2011 TOTL HX920 is pretty awesome on this regard  - a significant improvement over last year's mirror-like HX900, and matching the TOTL non-glare Sharp Aquos as well.

BTW, what's the size of that 149K Kuro at SM?  60 or 50?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: anchit on Apr 16, 2011 at 11:01 AM
magkano naman bro francis?  :)

it was @190k last month amigo, pero di namen inabutan yung last unit. they confirmed and when ipapadeliver na wala na daw pala. >:( nauwi kame sa 63" ng Samsung, C7000.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ninjababez® on Apr 16, 2011 at 11:39 AM
it was @190k last month amigo, pero di namen inabutan yung last unit. they confirmed and when ipapadeliver na wala na daw pala. >:( nauwi kame sa 63" ng Samsung, C7000.
mura narin pala bro.  pero wala parin pambili  ;D
lipat kasi akong condo kaya naisipan ko yung 60"
OT:btw yung samsung magkano score?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: newwaveboy on Apr 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM
About a month ago, saw a KURO (forgot the model, size & price) for sale at Automatic Centre ATC ..... display-unit, condition looks good enough though.

Also, there could be a few units left in SM Appliance stores .... saw one last year in SM Sta. Rosa, display-unit as well.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Verbl Kint on Aug 18, 2011 at 10:30 PM
It seems that Kuros have been popping up a lot in appliance sales lately. 

I wonder if there still are any unused KRP models around for sale...
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Aug 18, 2011 at 11:11 PM
oh there still a few more of these units around, mostly A models. Its still considered the best TV made well until OLED's are perfected.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 19, 2011 at 05:23 AM
i know someone who just got a 50" kuro.
brand spanking new according to him  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: legalypogi on Aug 19, 2011 at 09:00 AM
saw a display unit at sm san lazaro 50 inches kuro forgot the model 80k pwde pa raw ibaba pag sure buyer at cash...
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 19, 2011 at 09:28 AM
saw a display unit at sm san lazaro 50 inches kuro forgot the model 80k pwde pa raw ibaba pag sure buyer at cash...
wow pwede na ito dun sa di maselan sa gadgets  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Aug 19, 2011 at 10:15 AM
Almost 4 years na pala yung Kuro ko.  Amazing TV, zero issues, no dead pixels, no image retention/screen burn - not even a hint of it - ever, as good as when it came out of the box.  I've bougt a couple of LCD's since then but they can't hold a candle to the Kuro.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: dindop on Aug 19, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Almost 4 years na pala yung Kuro ko.  Amazing TV, zero issues, no dead pixels, no image retention/screen burn - not even a hint of it - ever, as good as when it came out of the box.  I've bougt a couple of LCD's since then but they can't hold a candle to the Kuro.

same experience here... it really is value for money, mine's not even full hd but wouldn't even think of replacing it with another brand's (except for a kuro one). the post above saying the 50" is being sold for 80k or less, makes me want to whinge
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Verbl Kint on Aug 20, 2011 at 06:08 AM
Congrats sa may bagong Kuro!! Can't wait to test it out hehe
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Sep 11, 2011 at 12:56 PM
Got me one of these before they disappear forever - a circa 2009 but new-in-box KRP-500A. 9th and last generation of the vaunted Kuro line.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/carnika/IMG_1894.jpg)

Just a question to other KRP owners, does your unit have Pure mode under Picture options?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: mandyb on Sep 12, 2011 at 12:51 AM
^unfortunately phillipine model doesnt have av pure mode on the 500A
bit the 600M has
HTH
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 12, 2011 at 09:18 AM
Got me one of these before they disappear forever - a circa 2009 but new-in-box KRP-500A. 9th and last generation of the vaunted Kuro line.

Congrats!!  I hope you got a great deal.  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Sep 12, 2011 at 10:09 AM
^unfortunately phillipine model doesnt have av pure mode on the 500A
bit the 600M has
HTH

Thanks Mandy.  I should've browsed the previous posts on this thread as there was a discussion on this pala. Yup, Pure mode is not here and the on screen user interface, as far as I can tell, is the same as my 2007 428XG's.  The monitor I have is actually a KRP-500P, an August 2009 Japan build.  This makes me wonder about the post in the website linked by Tavus (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45450.1410), that Pio halted production of Kuros in April 2009.

I dialed in the D-Nice KRP-500 calibration settings in User Mode and got a very realistic and natural looking picture. This is very likely close to the missing Pure settings cause all the TV processing features are turned off.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Sep 12, 2011 at 10:31 AM
Congrats!!  I hope you got a great deal.  :D

Thanks VK.

I was offered a 4-month old display unit for 85T but I'm a sucker for brand new. If getting more than 50% off from it's 2009 SRP of Php 255T is a great deal, then yes I got a great deal :).

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Sep 12, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Thanks Mandy.  I should've browsed the previous posts on this thread as there was a discussion on this pala. Yup, Pure mode is not here and the on screen user interface, as far as I can tell, is the same as my 2007 428XG's.  The monitor I have is actually a KRP-500P, an August 2009 Japan build.  This makes me wonder about the post in the website linked by Tavus (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45450.1410), that Pio halted production of Kuros in April 2009.

I dialed in the D-Nice KRP-500 calibration settings in User Mode and got a very realistic and natural looking picture. This is very likely close to the missing Pure settings cause all the TV processing features are turned off.


Theres a  remedy for that problem. Have it calibrated by professionals. Kaya nila to bring out the best settings for the kuro, even better daw than pure. They will install "ISFmode" day and night, pero medyo mahal sya and I think it risk your warranty but they say the results are worth it if your a videophile. si Audio Visual Driver lang alam ko nag calibrate.

you an do it yourself but you will need an rs232 cable and the isf software, this also cost alot of money.


I hear the most extreme method called board swap. Proven to work http://test.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1226671 (http://test.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1226671)  its like surgery. You just buy a KRP500 M board from pioneer then unscrew the rear of your kuro remove some cables and the connect the board. the link has all the info.

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Sep 12, 2011 at 11:51 AM
easier to read kuro board swap guide:
http://www.hippotechsolutions.com/?page_id=2693 (http://www.hippotechsolutions.com/?page_id=2693)

oh voids your warranty.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Sep 12, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Umm an ISF calibration after the break-in period will do for me thank you.  Not too anal about having ultimate tweakability. Also the model I have has it's I/O board in a separate chassis and the layout is very diferent from the pictures in Hippo Tech.

About ISF calibration of AVDI, how is it different from a Spyder calibration?  Does it involve a firmware tweak?  Otherwise, how can it possibly void the warranty?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Sep 12, 2011 at 01:58 PM
i haven't tried. Dont now kung thorough yung sa AVDI.
Isf they send a technician to install a new firmware that unlocks isf night and day as well as measure and calibrate your TV using professional equipment . Ewan ko lang if you get that treatment with AVDI. I'm not touching it until maubos yung warranty ko next year. 

with ISF you need to tamper with the firmware which voids warranty. I know you can rollback in case for repairs. 

Spyder from my understanding is just a DIY calibration kit you stick on to your TV. looks okay for me if you want to casually calibrate your TV.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=572098 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=572098)


If you think the TV performance is fine then save your money,  else  do it.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: halvert on Nov 24, 2011 at 09:32 PM
For those still looking for pioneers, meron pa 428xg sa sm makati for 69,900. Merong ding 50" di ko na kinuha model number at more than 200k ang price
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Verbl Kint on Nov 25, 2011 at 12:21 AM
Merong ding 50" di ko na kinuha model number at more than 200k ang price

This could be a KRP500A.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: jambam on Nov 26, 2011 at 11:43 AM
yup these kuro's really still can stand up w/ most of the other tv's out there .. Only thing I ever wish was  i should have gotten the 60"  ..  But with all the shipping issues out there it was something i was not ready to risk
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Dec 08, 2011 at 05:52 PM
Can anyone please give measurements for the krp500 KRP-TS02 stand? I plan to make a custom stand for my speaker set. I need to know if there is enough clearance for a my center channel.  I dont have the stand because im using wall mounts.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: byron on Dec 09, 2011 at 10:05 PM
Hi Lithium,
Remember me?  I got the 508XG and VERY VERY HAPPY WITH MY INVESTMENT SINCE 3 years ago!!!

I saw the 60 incher being sold by sir Vic last year, almost had the biggest temptation of my life on TV's happen ahahahaha. 

Kuro is the best.  Well I can say maybe the most proven.

more power!
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Jan 31, 2012 at 10:16 AM
hey i notice that every time i watch cable TV the black levels of the krp 500 become greyer and then when i play DVDs,  it becomes really black. is the TV suppose to do that?
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Jan 31, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Hi Lithium,
Remember me?  I got the 508XG and VERY VERY HAPPY WITH MY INVESTMENT SINCE 3 years ago!!!

I saw the 60 incher being sold by sir Vic last year, almost had the biggest temptation of my life on TV's happen ahahahaha. 

Kuro is the best.  Well I can say maybe the most proven.

more power!

Just saw this...yup I remember you man.  Yup those early Kuros are really something - matibay and no QC issues.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Jan 31, 2012 at 11:15 AM
hey i notice that every time i watch cable TV the black levels of the krp 500 become greyer and then when i play DVDs,  it becomes really black. is the TV suppose to do that?

Everytime I turn on the KRP500 with no video feed, meaning black screen lang, I noticed it starts out greyish.  Then after 10 seconds or so, the deep blackness kicks in such that the screen becomes indistinguishable from the black bezel. It gives me an opportunity to explain to my wife the difference between normal black and Kuro black.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Jan 31, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Yes the kuros blacks are excellent and still unbeaten when watching DVDs but sayang lang its excellent blacks don't seem to apply to local Tv well for my unit.
the unit is a krp500a with tuner
does this happen when you watch regular cable shows with your  tv ?

Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Jan 31, 2012 at 02:43 PM
Yes the kuros blacks are excellent and still unbeaten when watching DVDs but sayang lang its excellent blacks don't seem to apply to local Tv well for my unit.
the unit is a krp500a with tuner
does this happen when you watch regular cable shows with your  tv ?


When I watch regular cable TV, the picture quality drops way below that of HDTV or Blue Ray such that how good or how bad the contrast ratio is becomes largely irrelevant.  Having said that, I don't notice any greying or lessening of blackness when I watch regular TV.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Jan 31, 2012 at 04:39 PM
well odd indeed. it doesn't really turn grey, its just the black levels get lower.

i will have to send a technician over to check it up.
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: Tavus on Apr 02, 2012 at 09:54 AM
well here an update i spoke to some av forum guys, showed them some photos of my krp500 panel and ask why my black levels look kinda not right. Well  they have confirmed my worst fear, my kuro is indeed suffering from the dreaded red tint panel defect. where blacks now look purplish red.   :(

And the only known cure is a total panel replacement, unless you do the short cut which is reset the panel but that kills its lifespan.
I hope the pioneer service here in manila is good


EDIT:false alarm  :-\
Title: Re: Pioneer Kuro Plasmas
Post by: halvert on Apr 03, 2012 at 12:34 PM
oh no! mahal pa naman ang pioneer! hope it gets fixed good as new!