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Home Theater => General => Interconnects => Topic started by: Bogsle on Jan 04, 2007 at 03:13 AM
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Others may say, "no, it does not make a difference" and would not bother about it, while others may just be curious and give it a try.
Since this forum is a venue for sharing ideas and experiences, this one I would like to share.
BTW, there is also a duplicate posting of this topic in another forum site. Since I also have colleagues in PDVD, I hope there is no problem with that.
I would like to share my own advanture in DIY power cords.
Materials used are:
= 6 pcs guage 14 braider copper cable at 2 meters each. I used two color sets for easy identification of cables during braiding. It can be in any color you want. In this example I used three white cables and three green cables. The thickness of the three cables when combined at the end for each pole is similar to that of a guage 10 stranded cable.
= 1 pc guage 12 braider copper cable. This I used for the center/ground cable. It's the red center cable that you see in the picture.
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00829.jpg)
After braiding:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00834.jpg)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00835.jpg)
Then, wrap it in teflon tape:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00841.jpg)
Then, aluminum foil:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00843.jpg)
Then, another layer of teflon tape:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00851.jpg)
And finally, shrinkable tube or heat shrink as it is also called:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00853.jpg)
Then, add the Wattgate plugs at both ends:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00860.jpg)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00863.jpg)
Here is another version that I did. For this one, I managed to acquire something that they call "spagheti tube" from Raon which I used for the outer jacket instead of heat shrink. The length of this power cable is only one meter.
For the ground wire in the center I used two guage 12 stranded coper cable twisted together, and then wraped it in teflon tape before doing the guage 14 wire braid around it.
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00426.jpg)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00589.jpg)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00795.jpg)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00797.jpg)
For the IEC connector, I used Transparent brand which I soldered using WBT silver leads. I prefer the Wattgate brand which is much easier to use, because it uses screw locks, no need to solder. Plus Wattgate is cheaper.
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00421.jpg)
Of course, I test the poles at each end of the cable to ensure continuity and that there is no grounding whatsoever. Quality Testing muna syempre before using it!
Detailed Cost of DIY Power cable:
For a 2-meter power cord: (These are estimates of what I can remember. But I'm sure the actual cost of materials are not very far off)
6 meters white guage 14 strander copper cable = 150.00
6 meters green guage 14 strander copper cable = 150.00
2 meter red guage 12 strander copper cable = 50.00
2 meter heat shrink = 170.00
2 Wattgate plugs = 1,900.00
Aluminum foil = 58.00 (1 roll)
Telfol Tape = 60.00 (6 rolls)
Total = 2,538.00 (Pesos)
Is the combined cost and effort worth it. YES!
I'm making another power cable which I can lend to anyone who is willing and interested in testing/auditioning it. This is so that we can get another opinion of it. (Then maybe sell the idea, hehehe) ;)
The shorter power cord is used on my integrated tube amp and the longer one with the heat shrink jacket is used on my CDP.
Immediate impression were:
1. Clearer sound of instruments (more realistic it seems) and well defined space between them, like piano and violin.
2. Vocals had more presence.
3. There was definitely more bass response.
4. I'm able to turn the volume knob a little less than before to hear more of the music.
CDs used for auditioning:
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Great post. Galing.
What is that yellow cover, heat shrink tubes din? Ganda. Also, may I ask the price and source of your IEC male plug (transparent brand- not included in the cost breakdown). Congratulations!!!
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Great post. Galing.
What is that yellow cover, heat shrink tubes din? Ganda. Also, may I ask the price and source of your IEC male plug (transparent brand- not included in the cost breakdown). Congratulations!!!
Hi. Thank you very much.
The yellow cover is the spagheti tube I bought from Raon. Unfortunately it's the last piece na malaki ang diameter and yellow pa, hehehe. Pinagtyagaan ko na.
Although there are still a few others in stock pero smaller diameter sizes na lang. It's sold in 1 yard cuts.
Ang source ko ng plugs is KPY555....Jerome, calling Jerome, baka may customer ka dito, hehehe.
Mura lang, 950 yata or 975 a piece. Basta wala pang 1k. Yung Transparent IEC nabili ko sa Listening in Style before and 1,500 pesoses ang benta nila. Di na yata sila nag bebenta nyan ngayon eh. Dunno, but just ask.
Thanks ulit.
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bro. EXCELENTE ! (hindi yung hamon ah) keep it up & more diy project posts!
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I also made something like this... but short cut. hehe. I bought from a member in WS a 6 meter Belden cable 8303 i think it is, 12 gage at 3.5 meters. I needed a long power cord coz of placement of my outlet. Cost me a total of 3,700 pesos including the wattgate plug and shurter IEC from KPYM.
Hirap maghanap ng expandable sleeve sa raon. And yes, I saw those spaghetti tubes sa raon. Instead of spagheti tubes, I used Mica tubes from Wilcon supply at 20 pesos per meter. Its aesthetics are also good , especially that it is color black. Malakas sa kuryente hairdryer kaya i used my handy lighter for my shrink tubes on the plug and iec side. hehe.
I agree, with its effects you mentioned above. Definitely worth it !
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Hi. Thank you very much.
The yellow cover is the spagheti tube I bought from Raon. Unfortunately it's the last piece na malaki ang diameter and yellow pa, hehehe. Pinagtyagaan ko na.
Although there are still a few others in stock pero smaller diameter sizes na lang. It's sold in 1 yard cuts.
Ang source ko ng plugs is KPY555....Jerome, calling Jerome, baka may customer ka dito, hehehe.
Mura lang, 950 yata or 975 a piece. Basta wala pang 1k. Yung Transparent IEC nabili ko sa Listening in Style before and 1,500 pesoses ang benta nila. Di na yata sila nag bebenta nyan ngayon eh. Dunno, but just ask.
Thanks ulit.
I see. Nakagawa ako before when a good member swapped his iec connector with my hubbel. Now I have extra hubbels plugs and na-inspire ako gumawa ulit sa post mo. wala lang murang source ng iec male connectors. yup wala na sa LIS yung transparent brand. spag tubing pala yun. ang ganda.
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Just wanted to ask, the red wire is the return or ground right? How does this configuration compare with normal braiding technique I (like the one that is used to braid girls hair - some men with long hair also do this)? The reason I ask is because line 1 and line 2 are braided against each other but not with ground.
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great job! ;D
now you should consider rewiring your household lines also, most likely they will be of gauge 14 THHN copper cables, and if the contractor did not cheat, then you will have gauge 12.
on more thing, i buy cables from autosupply shops carrying japanese made cables, i distrust locally made cables as they are way undersized, so that you may think you have gauge 14 but in reality they could be something else, so source of cables is also important.
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I see. Nakagawa ako before when a good member swapped his iec connector with my hubbel. Now I have extra hubbels plugs and na-inspire ako gumawa ulit sa post mo. wala lang murang source ng iec male connectors. yup wala na sa LIS yung transparent brand. spag tubing pala yun. ang ganda.
Bro, contact KPY555 for cheap power plugs.
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Just wanted to ask, the red wire is the return or ground right? How does this configuration compare with normal braiding technique I (like the one that is used to braid girls hair - some men with long hair also do this)? The reason I ask is because line 1 and line 2 are braided against each other but not with ground.
Yes, the red wire is the ground set in the center of the 6 braided/meshed wire. My inspiration for the braiding is the "Shunyata braid" done on their Hydra series of power cords. See pics below:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/PowerCables.jpg)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/HelixGeometry-Inset.jpg)
However, Shunyata braids are very, very difficult to do. So I decided to do a braid type which is similar to the "copper-mesh shielding" around coaxial cables. Yung parang "banig" around a central core cable or wire.
The position of the ground wire is similar to how it is done here (see pic below) on the the Shunyata Taipan cable. However, the Taipan cable uses only 4 wires around a central ground wire, while my cable uses 6 wires.
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/Tiapan-slice.jpg)
Yes, I confirm that the ground wire is not part of the braid.
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great job! ;D
now you should consider rewiring your household lines also, most likely they will be of gauge 14 THHN copper cables, and if the contractor did not cheat, then you will have gauge 12.
on more thing, i buy cables from autosupply shops carrying japanese made cables, i distrust locally made cables as they are way undersized, so that you may think you have gauge 14 but in reality they could be something else, so source of cables is also important.
Thanks TonyT for the suggestion. That would be a good thing to do for house hold power lines, but maybe very costly for me.
However, I did creat a separate power line connected to a dedicated 30 amp circuit breaker for my HT/Audio power souce. This dedicted line uses guage 10 stranded copper cables that outputs to 20 amp power outlets (yung 3 slots na outlets na ginagamit for airconditioners).
I got the idea from one thread in PDVD (I think), which made a lot of sense. Kasi nga naman, mag i-invest ako on making heavy guage, high current, high capacity, heavily shielded and protected power cables, and then yung power line source ko sa bahay uses guage 14 stranded copper cable connected to a 15 amp circuit breaker which outputs to 10 amp power outlets. Sayang lang ang pagod and defeats the purpose of creating or even purchasing good power cables, di ba?
I even went to the extent of re-wiring my voltage regulator to use heavy guage stranded coper wires!
Yes, I did consider also the brand of cables to be used for this project. Well actually, at the beginning I used only Philflex brand na sabi ng uncle ko, who is an architect, is a very good local brand for copper wires. But then I also inquired from the hardware store vendor if they sell any US or Japanese brands. They gave me PhelpDodge, which is a US product, they said. Of couse it was slightly more expensive. This is what I used on my current power cable projects.
Once again, thanks for your inputs.
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bogsle bro. pwedeng sideline yan braiding skills mo. dami rasta bobmarleys around now ;D ;D ;D
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Bogsle.
Musta na? Anyway, just want you to know that you can ask your nearest local handicraft manufacturing facility regarding the Shunyata braid. That's easy for them to do. My wife knows how to do it but when I told her that she has to braid 2 meters to make approx 1.5 meters of braided power cord she backed out. ;D
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Bogsle.
Musta na? Anyway, just want you to know that you can ask your nearest local handicraft manufacturing facility regarding the Shunyata braid. That's easy for them to do. My wife knows how to do it but when I told her that she has to braid 2 meters to make approx 1.5 meters of braided power cord she backed out. ;D
Hmmm....nice suggestion, very nice trully.
Binigyan mo ko ng solution!
Kaya ba nila yung sa Shunyata Python:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/Python-slice.jpg)
I guess I have to ask.
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bogsle bro. pwedeng sideline yan braiding skills mo. dami rasta bobmarleys around now ;D ;D ;D
Pweeeede. Why not? ;D
Pro, siguro dapat marinig nyo muna yung end result.
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Hmmm....nice suggestion, very nice trully.
Binigyan mo ko ng solution!
Kaya ba nila yung sa Shunyata Python:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/Python-slice.jpg)
I guess I have to ask.
I'm sure they can do that easy. ;) Although I think they may not have any knowledge about the Shunyata since that is not the true braid name for that type of braid. But if you can show them some pics such as those that you posted, they'll say "ah ganyan ba gusto mo iho? madali lang yan". Well, at least that's what my wife's aunt told me, she's experienced with such braids and makes them for basket handles for Bicol handicrafts.
On a side note; it has been proven that braiding wires reduces induction and at the same time increases capacitance. This is a very welcome phenomenon in power cords for it can reject unwanted noises from getting into our systems. Keep it up dude. ;)
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questions.. new to these braid thing.. do you just get 6 wires and braid and connect the 2 to the wall and component.. what happens to the the other 4 wires ? are they grounded or there left "unused"
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I'm sure they can do that easy. ;) Although I think they may not have any knowledge about the Shunyata since that is not the true braid name for that type of braid. But if you can show them some pics such as those that you posted, they'll say "ah ganyan ba gusto mo iho? madali lang yan". Well, at least that's what my wife's aunt told me, she's experienced with such braids and makes them for basket handles for Bicol handicrafts.
On a side note; it has been proven that braiding wires reduces induction and at the same time increases capacitance. This is a very welcome phenomenon in power cords for it can reject unwanted noises from getting into our systems. Keep it up dude. ;)
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I believe you meant inductance. The reduction in inductance is due to the fact that the magnetic flux leakage of the + and - wires cancel each other.
I once tried to do the venhaus braiding technique on the speaker cables. Took me about two weeks to complete about 1 1/2 meters for one channel. After that, I didn't try again. If anyone would do the braiding for me I might consider this route once more. Anyway, I just settled for UBYTE-2. But much later I removed it and went 2 wire pair. Much less hassle for me (kasi kapag nadudumihan iyung mga cables hirap maglinis ... hehehe).
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Phelps Dodge is it, i wanted to mention the brand, but i did not want to sound like a salesman for them..hehehe...hard to go wrong with those cables. ;D
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Just wondering, If a line conditioner and a power cord has the same job, what more can a good power cord do when you already have a line conditioner?
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I believe you meant inductance. The reduction in inductance is due to the fact that the magnetic flux leakage of the + and - wires cancel each other.
I once tried to do the venhaus braiding technique on the speaker cables. Took me about two weeks to complete about 1 1/2 meters for one channel. After that, I didn't try again. If anyone would do the braiding for me I might consider this route once more. Anyway, I just settled for UBYTE-2. But much later I removed it and went 2 wire pair. Much less hassle for me (kasi kapag nadudumihan iyung mga cables hirap maglinis ... hehehe).
oo nga naman, what was I thinking?!? induction? mabuti na din yun kaysa seduction. ;D ;D ;D
sensya na peeps, wala pa ako tulog nun, it was meant to be inductance and not induction like rascal said. :-*
thanks
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Can you post the connection at the end.. thanks
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Just wondering, If a line conditioner and a power cord has the same job, what more can a good power cord do when you already have a line conditioner?
I changed the 18 awg power cord of my line conditioner to 12awg belden + wattgate plugs. Without being a techie, I had to reduce the volume controls of my amp from the previous position of 10'o clock to 9'o clock when I changed the power cord. There was more power produced by my amp to the speaker. Bass tightened up, and more details came out.
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I changed the 18 awg power cord of my line conditioner to 12awg belden + wattgate plugs. Without being a techie, I had to reduce the volume controls of my amp from the previous position of 10'o clock to 9'o clock when I changed the power cord. There was more power produced by my amp to the speaker. Bass tightened up, and more details came out.
if you say so, okey... ;D
DIY power cords really do make a difference, not for any scientific or technical reasons, but because you made it on your own, by your own hands, it is what you may call, your "own flesh and blood". this feeling is unknown to non-diy'ers. ;D
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jojo, i will choose seduction over induction anytime ;D
but to set things straight, the magnetic field formed by the + and - wires cancels each other.
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I changed the 18 awg power cord of my line conditioner to 12awg belden + wattgate plugs. Without being a techie, I had to reduce the volume controls of my amp from the previous position of 10'o clock to 9'o clock when I changed the power cord. There was more power produced by my amp to the speaker. Bass tightened up, and more details came out.
Thanks!
So this means that you only need to change the power cord of your line conditioner and the rest of the stuff you plug into it does not need a modified power cord anymore, right?
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jojo, i will choose seduction over induction anytime ;D
but to set things straight, the magnetic field formed by the + and - wires cancels each other.
If the magnetic field is canceled how will there be current flow?
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Thanks!
So this means that you only need to change the power cord of your line conditioner and the rest of the stuff you plug into it does not need a modified power cord anymore, right?
As of now the sound got better with me changing the power cord of the line conditioner. Since it is not that expensive naman, I might try changing the power cord of my integrated amp. Am curious if it would give some improvement.
Whether it be DIY with this spec or getting a branded one, the important thing is if there would be an audible improvement. If there is none, then good thing it is the cost of DIY.
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questions.. new to these braid thing.. do you just get 6 wires and braid and connect the 2 to the wall and component.. what happens to the the other 4 wires ? are they grounded or there left "unused"
I use all six wires, 3 for each pole. Only one wire, in the center, is the ground.
All the wires are used.
I'll show to you the pictures next time I make a new cable.
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I'm sure they can do that easy. ;) Although I think they may not have any knowledge about the Shunyata since that is not the true braid name for that type of braid. But if you can show them some pics such as those that you posted, they'll say "ah ganyan ba gusto mo iho? madali lang yan". Well, at least that's what my wife's aunt told me, she's experienced with such braids and makes them for basket handles for Bicol handicrafts.
On a side note; it has been proven that braiding wires reduces induction and at the same time increases capacitance. This is a very welcome phenomenon in power cords for it can reject unwanted noises from getting into our systems. Keep it up dude. ;)
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Thanks bro, I'll try you advice.
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Phelps Dodge is it, i wanted to mention the brand, but i did not want to sound like a salesman for them..hehehe...hard to go wrong with those cables. ;D
Yup Phelps Dodge is what I used. So far, they're okay naman. ;D
No, I don't think you will sound like a salesman. If we know something that will all help us in our DIY projects we share it, right? If we just keep things to ourselves, so what is the use of being in a forum like this? I hope yun ang reason why others have joined in, to share ideas and knowledge, not just to take knowledge or ridicule ideas of others.
So share the brand name of the cable with the group, would you?
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Just wondering, If a line conditioner and a power cord has the same job, what more can a good power cord do when you already have a line conditioner?
Don't know really. I'm not a techie.
But for the cost, I sure hope line a conditioner does more improve the sound than a power cord, hehehe ;D.
Okay, that's a bad joke.
Could someone smart help out please.
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I used Phelps Dodge sa ground wire ko papunta sa labas ng bahay. I bought it at Wilcon.
Yes, dapat share ng knowledge kahit na mag mention ng brand.
Kaya Bogsle ...... paturo minsan kahit over Starbucks session. ;D Imagine having 2 meters of red, white, and black 14awg and 12awg at Starbucks tapos nag bre-braid. hehehe.
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bro. EXCELENTE ! (hindi yung hamon ah) keep it up & more diy project posts!
Bro, may hang-over ka pa ng Pasko ha, hahaha.
Salamat ng marami.
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I used Phelps Dodge sa ground wire ko papunta sa labas ng bahay. I bought it at Wilcon.
Yes, dapat share ng knowledge kahit na mag mention ng brand.
Kaya Bogsle ...... paturo minsan kahit over Starbucks session. ;D Imagine having 2 meters of red, white, and black 14awg and 12awg at Starbucks tapos nag bre-braid. hehehe.
Seriously bro, I will do that for you! We can meet at Starbucks near my office.
You can bring your 2 meter set of wires. SMS me at 0917-853 4185.
Wag lang this week and next week ha. I'm on leave now until next week. I'm getting ready for my son's spine operation, which is why I took this leave.
But I'll be back at work on the 22nd of January.
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Can you post the connection at the end.. thanks
Yes, I will. I promise.
Sandali lang ha. I just need to start on a new DIY power cord. When I'm done, I'll post some more pictures.
Thanks.
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Thanks!
So this means that you only need to change the power cord of your line conditioner and the rest of the stuff you plug into it does not need a modified power cord anymore, right?
Bro, isn't it that we have similar queries about other part of our audio system.
Like, why do we need to replace the speaker wires/cables when upgrading the interconnects will make the change or provide improvement already and vise-versa? Magandang tanong din yun.
No really, in this hobby there are alot of things that we go through that leads me to ask such questions din.
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Sige bro, I'll txt you 2 weeks from now.
By the way, I noticed in your second project that you used 2 12 awg as ground then placed teflon and braided over it. Meron bang reason for wrapping the ground wire with teflon? Mahirap magkasya dalawang 12awg sa isang butas ng wattgate diba?
So far, this was the basis of my project: http://www.venhaus1.com/diymains.html
(http://www.venhaus1.com/flavor1pc.jpg)
I wrapped the ground wire with the copper braid at the wall outlet plug section.
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Just some 'trash' going inside my mind....
What's the use of that braided/shielded cable (from wall outlet to you system) if the rest of the wiring (from inside your wall outlet, to breaker/fuse, to post, to distribution transformer) are all not braided/shielded? ???
....siguro kung may line conditioner after the the wall outlet where the braided/shielded cable going to your equipment, malaki silbi nya... para di na nga maka-pick ng interference after the voltage passed though the conditioner... ::)
Any valueable thoughts about the 'trash' inside my mind? ??? ???
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if you say so, okey... ;D
DIY power cords really do make a difference, not for any scientific or technical reasons, but because you made it on your own, by your own hands, it is what you may call, your "own flesh and blood". this feeling is unknown to non-diy'ers. ;D
Yes, is it not true that we always enjoy in our DIY creations? Often we are biased in our DIY projects, as the case maybe in audio preferences, which is subjective as well.
However, most of the time naman (not always though) may change. My wife can confirm that, hehehe. :D
Now, whether that change in sound is maganda or not, others would have to comment on that. ;)
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Sige bro, I'll txt you 2 weeks from now.
By the way, I noticed in your second project that you used 2 12 awg as ground then placed teflon and braided over it. Meron bang reason for wrapping the ground wire with teflon? Mahirap magkasya dalawang 12awg sa isang butas ng wattgate diba?
So far, this was the basis of my project: http://www.venhaus1.com/diymains.html
(http://www.venhaus1.com/flavor1pc.jpg)
I wrapped the ground wire with the copper braid at the wall outlet plug section.
Ah, okay. The real reason for wrapping teflon on the 12awg was to keep them twisted and not unravel. Nothing special.
Yep, mahirap nga ipasok yung 2 x 12awg sa butas ng wattgate plug, kasi makapal yung combination na yun. Well di naman gaano, konti lang.
I examined the copper clamps behind the hole, malaki actually yung space. It's just the whole that is small.
I carved out the hole with a flat screw driver to make it just a little bit bigger that will be enough for the wires to fit through.
Now I just use a single 12awg wire so I don't need to widen the hole anymore.
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Just some 'trash' going inside my mind....
What's the use of that braided/shielded cable (from wall outlet to you system) if the rest of the wiring (from inside your wall outlet, to breaker/fuse, to post, to distribution transformer) are all not braided/shielded? ???
....siguro kung may line conditioner after the the wall outlet where the braided/shielded cable going to your equipment, malaki silbi nya... para di na nga maka-pick ng interference after the voltage passed though the conditioner... ::)
Any valueable thoughts about the 'trash' inside my mind? ??? ???
Oo nga bro, tama ka. I wish someone who is knowledgeable here will do us a favor.
Yan tanong mo parang tulad din yan ng ibag bagay sa audio setup natin eh. Tulad ng mga sumusunod:
- baket mas magada gumamit ng Wattgate, Furutech, at iba pang exotic plugs kaysa sa Omni or Eagle brands na nabibili lamang sa local hardware stores.
- baket mas maganda gumamit ng exotic connectors tulad ng Eichmann, Cardas, WBT, etc. kaysa Quantum, AudioPro, at iba pa kung pareho di naman yung cable na ginagamit.
- baket may difference ang pag papalit ng interconnects kung hindi naman nag babago ang circuit ng CDP and integrated amp kung saan to ginagamit.
- baket madalas mas maganda gumamit ng mas makapal na cable for power cords kung di naman nagbabago ang electrict consumption ng CDP or amp.
- baket mas maganda ang 20 amperes na plug or outlet kaysa sa 10 or 15 amperes, samatalang di naman ganun kalaki ang current requiremts ng CDP or integrated amp.
- baket sabi ng iba mas maganda ang digital coax kaysa optical cable, eh alam naman natin na ang digital signal is made up of 1s and 0s lamang. Magbabago ba ang information na dumadaloy kung digital coax or optical cable ang ginagamit.
Dami pang tanong eh....
Ganun pa man, meron talgang nagbabago eh. It's either gumaganda nga or pumapakit.
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jojo, i will choose seduction over induction anytime ;D
but to set things straight, the magnetic field formed by the + and - wires cancels each other.
me too ;D
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Don't know really. I'm not a techie.
But for the cost, I sure hope line a conditioner does more improve the sound than a power cord, hehehe ;D.
Okay, that's a bad joke.
Could someone smart help out please.
I'm not that smart and I am not quite sure what a line conditioner does (ac line voltage regulation???). IMHO however, if a line conditioner is an EMI filter, it will beat any exotic power cord assuming proper design - it also will not cost an arm and leg. In my experience, Php 1k - 2k of parts will do it. I'm also assuming that you don't put any circuit or component (eg magnetic core, X/Y cap) in the AC power cord except the twisting.
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If the magnetic field is canceled how will there be current flow?
This can be too much of a "techie talk", unfortunately I'm too busy to engage in a discussion, otherwise I'd love to. ::)
I'll stick to the seduction part in the meantime. ;D
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... we can always verify what the textbook has to say.
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Oo nga bro, tama ka. I wish someone who is knowledgeable here will do us a favor.
Yan tanong mo parang tulad din yan ng ibag bagay sa audio setup natin eh. Tulad ng mga sumusunod:
- baket mas magada gumamit ng Wattgate, Furutech, at iba pang exotic plugs kaysa sa Omni or Eagle brands na nabibili lamang sa local hardware stores.
- baket mas maganda gumamit ng exotic connectors tulad ng Eichmann, Cardas, WBT, etc. kaysa Quantum, AudioPro, at iba pa kung pareho di naman yung cable na ginagamit.
- baket may difference ang pag papalit ng interconnects kung hindi naman nag babago ang circuit ng CDP and integrated amp kung saan to ginagamit.
- baket madalas mas maganda gumamit ng mas makapal na cable for power cords kung di naman nagbabago ang electrict consumption ng CDP or amp.
- baket mas maganda ang 20 amperes na plug or outlet kaysa sa 10 or 15 amperes, samatalang di naman ganun kalaki ang current requiremts ng CDP or integrated amp.
- baket sabi ng iba mas maganda ang digital coax kaysa optical cable, eh alam naman natin na ang digital signal is made up of 1s and 0s lamang. Magbabago ba ang information na dumadaloy kung digital coax or optical cable ang ginagamit.
Dami pang tanong eh....
Ganun pa man, meron talgang nagbabago eh. It's either gumaganda nga or pumapakit.
Di ako masyadong marunong, kaya lang base sa syensya kung may low frequency (LF) at high frequency (HF) ka na waveform, sasakay ang HF sa LF. Depende sa frequency o hitsura nun HF na sumasakay sa LF, nagbabago ang tunog. Eto rin ang prisipyo ng harmonics. Di ba lahat ng sound (eg human voice, piano, trumpet etc) may harmonics. Kung dadagdagan ko ng signal na hindi naaakma dun sa harmonics halimbawa human voice eh di magbabago ang tunog niya.
Ang stratehiya nun mga designers either mag-alis sila ng noise (noise reduction) o magdagdag ng signal (eg even ordered harmonics) para gumanda tunog. Iyung pag be braid actually noise reduction iyun. Siyembre since nagbawas ka ng hindi kailangan i iexpect mo na gaganda. Pero ang tanong bakit minsan pumapangit - eh kasi nagdagdag ka ng hindi naakma.
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Di ako masyadong marunong, kaya lang base sa syensya kung may low frequency (LF) at high frequency (HF) ka na waveform, sasakay ang HF sa LF. Depende sa frequency o hitsura nun HF na sumasakay sa LF, nagbabago ang tunog. Eto rin ang prisipyo ng harmonics. Di ba lahat ng sound (eg human voice, piano, trumpet etc) may harmonics. Kung dadagdagan ko ng signal na hindi naaakma dun sa harmonics halimbawa human voice eh di magbabago ang tunog niya.
Ang stratehiya nun mga designers either mag-alis sila ng noise (noise reduction) o magdagdag ng signal (eg even ordered harmonics) para gumanda tunog. Iyung pag be braid actually noise reduction iyun. Siyembre since nagbawas ka ng hindi kailangan i iexpect mo na gaganda. Pero ang tanong bakit minsan pumapangit - eh kasi nagdagdag ka ng hindi naakma.
Bro, galing mo!
Gusto ko to, nakuha mo sa basic at simple na explanation.
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This can be too much of a "techie talk", unfortunately I'm too busy to engage in a discussion, otherwise I'd love to. ::)
I'll stick to the seduction part in the meantime. ;D
Bro, dalawa ibig sabihin nito. It's either kulang ka or sobra-sabra sa.... ;D
hehehe.
Peace.
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I'm not that smart and I am not quite sure what a line conditioner does (ac line voltage regulation???). IMHO however, if a line conditioner is an EMI filter, it will beat any exotic power cord assuming proper design - it also will not cost an arm and leg. In my experience, Php 1k - 2k of parts will do it. I'm also assuming that you don't put any circuit or component (eg magnetic core, X/Y cap) in the AC power cord except the twisting.
No other component, just pure twisting lang.
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... we can always verify what the textbook has to say.
right... right... textbooks are wonderful indeed, good for your health too.
Bro, dalawa ibig sabihin nito. It's either kulang ka or sobra-sabra sa.... ;D
hehehe.
Peace.
Bro, dun ako sa sobra-sobra. hehehe
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Iba iba harmonics nalilikha ng human voice, piano, saxophone etc, kaya anuman ang binawasan, nararagdagan, binababa o tinataas na harmonic signal o frequency nagbabago ang tunog.
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Iba iba harmonics nalilikha ng human voice, piano, saxophone etc, kaya anuman ang binawasan, nararagdagan, binababa o tinataas na harmonic signal o frequency nagbabago ang tunog.
sir rascal01..prang election pala - dagdag bawas din!
tnx for the simple layman-friendly explanation :)
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Bro, isn't it that we have similar queries about other part of our audio system.
Like, why do we need to replace the speaker wires/cables when upgrading the interconnects will make the change or provide improvement already and vise-versa? Magandang tanong din yun.
No really, in this hobby there are alot of things that we go through that leads me to ask such questions din.
Yes, the reason I ask is practicality, thats the bottom line of a DIY guy. I could not imagine changing the power cord of my CDP, audio pre amp, my audio power amp, my HT receiver each at the cost of almost 3k each when my 6 thousand peso line conditioner w/ a modded power cord already does the job. Simply thinking of the cheapest alternative thats all. ;)
I have a loaned Kimber power Kord and indeed the bass tightened but I only used it on my power amp. I will be switching it to the line conditioner.
But for the cost, I sure hope line a conditioner does more improve the sound than a power cord, hehehe ;D.
Read the testimonies:
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=59470.0
For the cost? How about a money back guarantee , exclusively for you, if there are no sonic differences ;)
Now I am sounding like a salesman... Hehe.
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Matz,
It's better to try it on your line conditioner, improvement or not doesn't matter. What's important is you tried it and not just talked about it.
Most DIYers have a philosophy of 10% theory and 90% application. They don't mind what they read on books and the net for nothing beats actual demonstration. If something goes wrong or they didn't liked the results, then that's the time to use the 10% theory.
Good luck!
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Matz,
It's better to try it on your line conditioner, improvement or not doesn't matter. What's important is you tried it and not just talked about it.
Most DIYers have a philosophy of 10% theory and 90% application. They don't mind what they read on books and the net for nothing beats actual demonstration. If something goes wrong or they didn't liked the results, then that's the time to use the 10% theory.
Good luck!
I don't know if it's a big sin, but it is often what we tend to do. Although ideas we get from DIYing are those that we pickup from either common things that we learn about, e.g. shielding of cables using foil or twisting, which are general knowledge applied often for the purpose of eliminating noise or warding off interferance.
The tendency sometimes for us when we DIY is to make new things out of old knowledge and stuff or try to tweak with existing ideas and see if there will be a better change at least in our systems.
I agree with Jojo, at least for my side. But I'm sure there are others naman who prefer to go thru the details of everything by researching, learning more technical stuff and may even do testing and so on, going deep into the technical detail of things when DIYing. This is good and I wish I have the patience and technical knowledge din to do that.
However, we have our own diskarte sabi nga nila. And this is what makes DIYing fun, right? Andito kami, the not-so-techie guys gumagawa. Then when we stumble on things or have questions about it the techie-guys, the gurus, are the ones that we turn to and who explain to us, na "ah, ganito kasi yan...so and so". Oh di ba ang galing ng relatiohship natin dito sa forum?
Tulad nitong tanong ko:
Why is it that cable manufacturers use both braided copper shielding and aluminum shielding for their cables when they say aluminum sheilding already provides 100% coverage and enough shielding?
Saan nakakabili ng copper braid sleeves for DIYing?
Salamat po.
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Bogsle,
I think you are on the right track in doing your own, and what's important is that you really, actually did it and not just think/talk about it (theory/application ratio). Sabi nga sa diyaudio, put your money where your mouth is, di pwede yan puro salita lang, dapat gawin para malaman kung ano resulta at ipamahagi ang impormasyon.
Saludo ako sa gawa mo power cord bro, keep it up.
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If the magnetic field is canceled how will there be current flow?
by conduction, remember current flows thru the wire by conduction, not induction, remember? ;D
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on more thing, i buy cables from autosupply shops carrying japanese made cables, i distrust locally made cables as they are way undersized, so that you may think you have gauge 14 but in reality they could be something else, so source of cables is also important.
I know these cables... Maganda. Pag strip ng insulation biglang ang gaming laman. bumubuhaghag di mo alam kung san galing. I think I bought them by the kilo 4 years ago (1/4--1/2 kilo each from ga 18-8) when I had my old car rewired. Very popular to those restoring vintage cars). So seemingly pure if you leave them bare for a few weeks nagtatarnish agad. Mahal lang.
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Matz,
It's better to try it on your line conditioner, improvement or not doesn't matter. What's important is you tried it and not just talked about it.
Most DIYers have a philosophy of 10% theory and 90% application. They don't mind what they read on books and the net for nothing beats actual demonstration. If something goes wrong or they didn't liked the results, then that's the time to use the 10% theory.
Good luck!
100% theory goes with 100% application, either these or not at all...practice without theory is blind, theory without practice is lame...
for DIY'ers who do not know theory, as long as you do it safely, then it's okey....
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by conduction, remember current flows thru the wire by conduction, not induction, remember? ;D
hindi kaya through seduction? ;D
j/k
100% theory goes with 100% application, either these or not at all...practice without theory is blind, theory without practice is lame...
for DIY'ers who do not know theory, as long as you do it safely, then it's okey....
that ratio would have been a good thing in practice, unfortunately not a reality yet. most techies or even engineers just want to talk talk and talk. or like your what your saying says... lame. ;D
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100% theory goes with 100% application, either these or not at all...practice without theory is blind, theory without practice is lame...
for DIY'ers who do not know theory, as long as you do it safely, then it's okey....
Nice statement huh :o. I wish can be as confident to say things like that.
But going back to DIYing, anyone can help out with this? I'm repeating my previous query.
Why is it that cable manufacturers use both braided copper shielding and aluminum shielding for their cables when they say aluminum sheilding already provides 100% coverage and enough shielding?
If so, they're just adding cost to their products na hindi naman kailangan, right? Kung may good reason behind using two types of shielding on cables, then we should try harder to make sure that our DIY cables be as such or try to be closer to it. At least to raise the bar with regards to DIYing power cables specifically.
Since some of you guys are the ones with the "theory", could you please help us out?
What do you guys think?
Thanks in advance.
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Agree that theory without practice is lame. However, explanation without the benefit of theory or valid experimental results is equally lame. Theory started with experimentation of one person and based on what happens or observation a pattern of behavior/process is observed.
While it is also good to do things for the sake of doing it, one should also put in to mind that an equal effort into reading the theory behind it puts things to a higher perspective.
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Agree that theory without practice is lame. However, explanation without the benefit of theory or valid experimental results is equally lame.
Okay guys, we get your point, Rascal 101 and TonyT. I just hope you don't scare or discourage other none-techie DIYers out there from posting in this forum, those that DO NOT have much "theory" or have the vast technical knowledge as you may have. Those guys that have basic knowledge lamang but is eager to learn naman and create their own DIY stuff.
I hope those guys, who I stand for, do not get descriminated because of the big words that are being put out here like, "practice without theory is lame"...and so on.
As for me, I have small knowledge only and I try to learn by my mistakes, and that's how I enjoy DIYing, that's it. I'd rather welcome technical comments or suggestions that will make my DIYing better.
Okay, so nasaan na yung mga theory nyo? Why is it that the focus of this forum, which is DIYing, is being ignored in the question below?
"Why is it that cable manufacturers use both braided copper shielding and aluminum shielding for their cables when they say aluminum sheilding already provides 100% coverage and enough shielding?"
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Why is it that cable manufacturers use both braided copper shielding and aluminum shielding for their cables when they say aluminum sheilding already provides 100% coverage and enough shielding?
can you imagine a coaxial cable with solid copper outer core? how are you going to bend those? sometimes theory is not required, just plain common sense.... ;D braiding makes a lot of sense in consideration of flexibillity in handling...
as for the aluminum foil it would be better to inquire direct from the manufacturers, there are coax cables out there without aluminum foils..
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i am not here to scare anybody, in fact i encourage those who would like to roll out their own diy power cords, i don't see anything wrong in making your own power cords.
what i want to discourage is the practice of dropping technical terms wherein the poster do not seem to know what they are talking about..
itong forum natin, binabasa ng mga taga-ibang bansa...ayaw kong lumabas tayong katawa-tawa kung nagpapahayag tayo ng mali...sana maunawaan ako ng mga kabayan, wala akong layon na pulaan ang sinuman...
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Bogsie,
Are you asking about the cable shielding on coaxial cables for A/V use or are we still in the subject of power cords?
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Pare-parehas lang tayo dito. Walang problema mag-experimento pero may problema sa akin iyung mga nagmamarunong pero di naman naintidihan ang sinasabi.
Sir Bogsle,
My experience with coaxial cables both is that the "aluminum shielding" is actually non-conductive. Starting from the inner conductor - solid or stranded copper, insulator, "aluminum shielding", copper shielding, insulator ... this is generally what I observe. Now as to why they have this thin layer of aluminum shielding, I don't know. Maybe to protect the solid or stranded copper insulator???
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From prototype, here now is my actual project for a 9 conductor braid:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P1150456.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P1150459.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P1150460.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P1150458.jpg)
Materials needed:
8 meters 14awg color red
8 meters 14awg color yellow
2 meters 12 awg color blue
Would yield 1 meter and 6 inches of braided 9 conductor power cord. The diameter of this is as wide as a 25 Centavo coin. I have noe tested this yet since wala pa akong mga plugs. So what can I say about this power cord? Ang sakit sa kamay gawin. Don't forget to cut your nails first before doing this. Took me approximately 3 hours to braid.
I have not started wrapping it with teflon and alluminum foil yet.
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Bravo !!!
post naman instructions on how to do this ?...
From prototype, here now is my actual project for a 9 conductor braid:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P1150456.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P1150459.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P1150460.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P1150458.jpg)
Materials needed:
8 meters 14awg color red
8 meters 14awg color yellow
2 meters 12 awg color blue
Would yield 1 meter and 6 inches of braided 9 conductor power cord. The diameter of this is as wide as a 25 Centavo coin. I have noe tested this yet since wala pa akong mga plugs. So what can I say about this power cord? Ang sakit sa kamay gawin. Don't forget to cut your nails first before doing this. Took me approximately 3 hours to braid.
I have not started wrapping it with teflon and alluminum foil yet.
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astig ang tirintas mo vamp tom c.! ;D
oo nga sana may ala-jane fonda instructional video how to braid.
keep on twisting n tweaking! ;D
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galing mo Le_Stat! two thumbs up to you!
ps: sakit siguro pag pinang-hampas yan. :-*
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galing mo Le_Stat! two thumbs up to you!
ps: sakit siguro pag pinang-hampas yan. :-*
ay oo! siguradong masakit eto pag hinampas. habang bine-braid ko palang eh you can already feel the weight habang nakalambitin sa ginawa ko na angkasan ng wire.
hindi ko lang ma-banggit brand name kasi siguradong madali eto ma-search sa google ng mga gumawa neto originally. Baka ako ma-deport ... este... ma-export.... sa compaya nila ;D
I would try to post step by step instructions using pictures. andito pa naman yung set up ko.
OT: Dapat magaling ka sa Kamasutra para maganda pagka-buhol buhol mo ng mga wire. Magaling ka rin dapat sa Finger. ;D
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Nice statement huh :o. I wish can be as confident to say things like that.
But going back to DIYing, anyone can help out with this? I'm repeating my previous query.
Why is it that cable manufacturers use both braided copper shielding and aluminum shielding for their cables when they say aluminum sheilding already provides 100% coverage and enough shielding?
If so, they're just adding cost to their products na hindi naman kailangan, right? Kung may good reason behind using two types of shielding on cables, then we should try harder to make sure that our DIY cables be as such or try to be closer to it. At least to raise the bar with regards to DIYing power cables specifically.
Since some of you guys are the ones with the "theory", could you please help us out?
What do you guys think?
Thanks in advance.
Bro, i asked this once, and the answer was -- just for purposes of convenience, meaning so u know the + and -. ;D
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hindi ko lang ma-banggit brand name kasi siguradong madali eto ma-search sa google ng mga gumawa neto originally. Baka ako ma-deport ... este... ma-export.... sa compaya nila
eto ba yon?http://www.moon-audio.com/powerproducts.htm (http://www.moon-audio.com/powerproducts.htm)
excellent one Le_Stat, i wish i had the energy and the talent to do cables like you did! well done!!! ;D
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Thanks TonyT. That link you provided does have some very nice expandable sleeves on it as well as the transparent plugs. Their cables are providing 4 conductors that is 11awg each. Grabe tigas niyan i-twist, but mas madali yung braid na yun.
If I can only remember the other site that sells expandable sleeves. One is Farnell, the other is... hmmm. anybody knows?
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the google was the giveaway.. ;D hmmm..i wouldn't call their prices exorbitant, for the job done, i'd say the cost was reasonable...
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ay oo! siguradong masakit eto pag hinampas. habang bine-braid ko palang eh you can already feel the weight habang nakalambitin sa ginawa ko na angkasan ng wire.
hindi ko lang ma-banggit brand name kasi siguradong madali eto ma-search sa google ng mga gumawa neto originally. Baka ako ma-deport ... este... ma-export.... sa compaya nila ;D
I would try to post step by step instructions using pictures. andito pa naman yung set up ko.
OT: Dapat magaling ka sa Kamasutra para maganda pagka-buhol buhol mo ng mga wire. Magaling ka rin dapat sa Finger. ;D
Oks yan step by step instructions, susubukan ko din mag braid, mukhang masaya at challenging. ;D
In the meantime, I'll brush up on my Kamasutra. ;D ;D ;D
bravo!
the google was the giveaway.. ;D hmmm..i wouldn't call their prices exorbitant, for the job done, i'd say the cost was reasonable...
I agree, bonus pa yun pogi points. ;D
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HELP ON SHIELDING OF POWER CABLES
I have read that power cables are shielded either by Copper Tape and Copper Braid. I have noticed the actual Belden 8303 using both aluminum braid and Aluminum foil. Their Aluminum foil was applied longitudinally parallel to the cables, and NOT applied spirally perpendicular to the wires. I have also confirmed this configuration in the link below. The copper braid is for low frequency shielding. I have read that Aluminum foil is for the High Frequency shielding. Pero I read that Aluminum Shielding is mostly used on Digital applications like interconnects. I also read that the ground wire should be placed next to the aluminum foil. Since I do not have the copper braid available at hand, can I insulate the power cord with just aluminum foil? Since a powercord need to be properly grounded, the presence of a copper braid should be joined with the ground wire only at the source of electricity. Papano pag aluminum foil lang? Meron bang bad effect pag aluminum foil lang ang nakalagay tapos walang copper/aluminum braid shield? Tapos hindi pa ito nakakabit sa ground wire?
I am thinking what to do next on shielding my power cable project. Ngayon kailangan ko ng technical electrical knowledge help. Here is where my Kamasutra powers ends. >:(
..... btw, I currently placed PTFE Teflon over the braid na.
Source :
http://www.anixter.com/AXECOM/AXEDocLib.nsf/(UnID)/72E1F3D3D65CD768862570ED0054431E/$file/WCTH_Shields.pdf (http://www.anixter.com/AXECOM/AXEDocLib.nsf/(UnID)/72E1F3D3D65CD768862570ED0054431E/$file/WCTH_Shields.pdf)
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For copper braid sleeve, you might want to contact Alphawire (www.alphawire.com). A friend has informed that when they used a copper braid (Alphawire P/N 2170) and put a stranded wire (AWG 18) inside it there was a significant reduction in the inductance (about 3X) vs 2 wire pair twisting.
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............... and there was silence! Where did the technical guys go now? :D
............... 9 conductor braid, now under serious breakin-in !
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Considering that one already did a braid or even just a twisted pair, why do you still need a to employ a Copper or Aluminium shielding? ::)
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Considering that one already did a braid or even just a twisted pair, why do you still need a to employ a Copper or Aluminium shielding? ::)
Here's a technical explanation:
http://www.anixter.com/AXECOM/AXEDocLib.nsf/(UnID)/72E1F3D3D65CD768862570ED0054431E/$file/WCTH_Shields.pdf (http://www.anixter.com/AXECOM/AXEDocLib.nsf/(UnID)/72E1F3D3D65CD768862570ED0054431E/$file/WCTH_Shields.pdf)
This is also in handbooks of Electrical Engineers. You don't need to shield it as it does the purpose of providing electricity and also the fact that it's still below the 3kVa category. It's just technology in the works of providing a better outcome on your equipment. And since I want to optimize the use on my invested equipment, I want to learn more on how to do this.
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Here's a technical explanation:
http://www.anixter.com/AXECOM/AXEDocLib.nsf/(UnID)/72E1F3D3D65CD768862570ED0054431E/$file/WCTH_Shields.pdf (http://www.anixter.com/AXECOM/AXEDocLib.nsf/(UnID)/72E1F3D3D65CD768862570ED0054431E/$file/WCTH_Shields.pdf)
This is also in handbooks of Electrical Engineers. You don't need to shield it as it does the purpose of providing electricity and also the fact that it's still below the 3kVa category. It's just technology in the works of providing a better outcome on your equipment. And since I want to optimize the use on my invested equipment, I want to learn more on how to do this.
The shielding they were explaining are actually used for underground power lines, 5KV and above, not the consumer grade (220/110 V) power lines (I think I still have samples of those power cables here in my office ;) they're a about 4 cm thick ). The additional copper shielding is just to ensure that there will be no discharges coming off from the main conductor. Those discharges, expecially on U/G power lines, can be quite deadly.
copper or aluminium shielding for signal cables (IC, Speaker cables) are used to minimize the influence of EMI into the signal. But useless if they're not properly grounded.
Hope this helps.
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Just out of curiosity, since EMI/RFI is present everywhere, would my DIY power cord
be able to filter out these kind of noise? I ask because if I have very little
leakage capacitance and inductance (due to the cable geometry), how will it act as
a filter? Also, my understanding on why we have these cables is because we would
like to remove unwanted things such as noise. TIA.
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Rascal,
Actually, as I understood it, the DIY power cord does not filter the noise. The reason why there's a need to twist or braid the cable is to minimuze the coverage and influence of the EMF generated by the power cord on any other conductive materials in proximity, when fed with an AC voltage (Syempre, walang EMF ang DC voltage).
Yup, as long as an equipment requires AC power,there will be EMF generated.
Hmmmm, 20 years after college and it's only when I began listening to music as a hobby that I'm beginning to understand what my Professor in Electromagnetics was talking about :D :D :D
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Yes, the link I provided is for industrial grade power cables. However, the principles in this is also being applied by power cable manufacturers for Audio.
QUESTION :
Would the use of ONLY an aluminum foil for a DIY cable be useless, with the fact that there are no copper braidings installed in the same wire? I also don't know if an aluminum foil can be grounded "as is" without copper braiding in the wire. This would save me on my materials in my DIY cables.
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Le_stat,
You are correct but my point is the unwanted EMF generated by a AC source due to the cable geometry is quite small. In fact, if you take a look at your input AC waveforms you wll see that it is not a perfect sinusoid. This means to say you have other signals that are added which cause distortion. And, when not properly filtered gets into your system. This I believe is the more urgent problem and a solution to this is an EMI/RFI filter.
It's good that you mentioned Electromagnetics because Electricity and Magnetism are related. If I have an magnetic field of a magnitude X and an opposite magnetic field with a magnitude X the result is a zero magnetic field and of course zero electric field right?
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Yes, the link I provided is for industrial grade power cables. However, the principles in this is also being applied by power cable manufacturers for Audio.
QUESTION :
Would the use of ONLY an aluminum foil for a DIY cable be useless, with the fact that there are no copper braidings installed in the same wire? I also don't know if an aluminum foil can be grounded "as is" without copper braiding in the wire. This would save me on my materials in my DIY cables.
Yes commerical power cables commonly used for high-end audio applications do use shielding, aside from the usual twists/braids. This is to ensure that the EMF generated by the mains cable does not leak out 100% (else these power cable manufacturers will be suited by the high-end audio users ;) ).
As far as terminating the alumimium foil is concerned, no harm in trying, that's what DIY is all about: EXPERIMENTING :D But I did read an article which explains the purpose of an unterminated aluminium foil - it serves as a shield for Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) and used mainly for shielding cables used in signal transmission. Since your just trying to contain EMF generated by your mains cable, why do you still need to put an aluminium foil over it?
Also, try to surf the Net for EMF (Electro Magnetic Field) interference and read on it. It would help you understand why the need to have cables shielded for a particular use.
Hope this helps.
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Le_stat,
You are correct but my point is the unwanted EMF generated by a AC source due to the cable geometry is quite small. In fact, if you take a look at your input AC waveforms you wll see that it is not a perfect sinusoid. This means to say you have other signals that are added which cause distortion. And, when not properly filtered gets into your system. This I believe is the more urgent problem and a solution to this is an EMI/RFI filter.
It's good that you mentioned Electromagnetics because Electricity and Magnetism are related. If I have an magnetic field of a magnitude X and an opposite magnetic field with a magnitude X the result is a zero magnetic field and of course zero electric field right?
Rascal101,
I think you are refering to Jagner? I haven't mentioned anything about Electromagnetics. That left my mind when I finished my 4 EE subjects in Mapua. ;D Eng'r Jagner can answer you on that.
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So sorry about that. I meant Jagner.
BTW, I have nothing against power cables and I do understand that small fixes added together becomes significant.
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As far as terminating the alumimium foil is concerned, no harm in trying, that's what DIY is all about: EXPERIMENTING :D But I did read an article which explains the purpose of an unterminated aluminium foil - it serves as a shield for Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) and used mainly for shielding cables used in signal transmission. Since your just trying to contain EMF generated by your mains cable, why do you still need to put an aluminium foil over it?
Also, try to surf the Net for EMF (Electro Magnetic Field) interference and read on it. It would help you understand why the need to have cables shielded for a particular use.
Hope this helps.
Message noted. I would eliminate using aluminum foil next time.
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So sorry about that. I meant Jagner.
BTW, I have nothing against power cables and I do understand that small fixes added together becomes significant.
no problem on that Rascal.
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I have tested my 9 conductor braid with my amp and have surprising results. CD's that were used for testing:
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000I6BLSQ.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V34819481_.jpg)(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00004ZAYM.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00000IYP2.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
(http://www.tnt-audio.com/jpg/mangertest.jpg)(http://www.mewziks.com/product/img-lib/product/prd_20061019100305_b.jpg)(http://www.redrosemusic.com/images/RRM-01.jpg)
Music is so involving with Midnight Sugar. Each stroke of the fingers on each piano key makes my speakers sing out loud. On track 1, voices on the background become clearer than usual which gave me the creeps (since this was only supposed to be a Solo Piano recording). In Dreamsville, the voice of Stacey Kent rises in the air, and with each word coming out of her mouth you can sense her breath. Jaime Valle's every pluck on each string gives a certain ting that is almost life like. With the Manger test CD, track 15 sure did test the bass which was quicker in reaction, tighter, and more bass quality. Hayti on the other hand, gave a voice that was more life like. Track 6 of the Red Rose Music Volume 1 CD sure tested the volume and depth, plus separation of instruments with this power cord. Overall this is a very good power cord. The only thing I dont like is that it sounds harsh at first with every detail of the music being thrown at you in all directions. But after a few hours of burning in, oh music sounds so lively. Original design needs 40 hours break in. Mine is still very young.
I returned the stock cord and tested again all the CD's above. Bleh. My 16 awg stock cord lack depth and realism, and does not have that "presence".
Equipment used:
Cayin A70t with Mundorf Silver/Gold, with NOS Tungsol 6550 USA tubes
Cayin cdt15 with Mundorf Supreme and Siemens 6922 A Frame
Moon River Mini (RedRose Classic) Speaker
Xindak FS-0.5 ribbon cable, bi-wired to speaker
Xindak FA-1 twisted IC
Xindak 500 Line Conditioner with Belden 8303 3 conductor 12awg, shielded cable
............. and my tested piece of 9 Conductor Braided power cord. ;D
**I have not taken a pix yet of the final look of the assembled braid since I dont have expandable sleeves yet. You might think I have MIT's as power cables since my power cord is still white in color due to teflon braiding.
Bogsle, you would have your piece too when time comes. ;)
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nice discussion...btw, may i ask how you earth(ground) your gears? the EIC connectors and hubbel plugs do provide earthing pins, and is meant to be used. So how is earthing in your house wiring implemented? and how is your house actually earthed? All this talk about EMI/RFI shielding will be of no use if your earthing system is incomplete...
I ask this because most of the households in the philippines do not have a third wire for earthing in their sockets.
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nice discussion...btw, may i ask how you earth(ground) your gears? the EIC connectors and hubbel plugs do provide earthing pins, and is meant to be used. So how is earthing in your house wiring implemented? and how is your house actually earthed? All this talk about EMI/RFI shielding will be of no use if your earthing system is incomplete...
I ask this because most of the households in the philippines do not have a third wire for earthing in their sockets.
Of course. I don't know about the house grounding, but im using a dedicated ground outside going to my dedicated 3 prong wall outlets inside.
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can you imagine a coaxial cable with solid copper outer core? how are you going to bend those? sometimes theory is not required, just plain common sense.... ;D braiding makes a lot of sense in consideration of flexibillity in handling...
as for the aluminum foil it would be better to inquire direct from the manufacturers, there are coax cables out there without aluminum foils..
Bro, sorry if I did not make myself clear, it's my fault. I'm actually referring to power cables, not coax cables.
But I assumed that since this is a thread about DIY power cord I did not need to mention that.
Sorry for the wrong assumption na rin.
Nevertheless, thank you very much for the explanation.
Regards,
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Bogsie,
Are you asking about the cable shielding on coaxial cables for A/V use or are we still in the subject of power cords?
No bro, I'm not talking about coax cables. My question refers to power cords, since this is the topic of the thread. It was probably my fault that TonyT referred to coax cables. I was not able to make it clear in my question. But then I assumed that he got my question right.
In my experience kasi with the Transparent power cord the construction is, 3 guage 10 stranded copper wires, then wrapped in aluminum foil, and then copper braid. Meron pa nga itong paper or teflon of some sort which I forgot lang kung naka wrap around the 3 wires before the aluminum foil or after the aluminum foil before the braided copper.
Therefore in this experience, nakita ko na gumamit yung Transparent cable manufacturer ng both aluminum foil and copper braid for their power cord.
So, effective kaya yung ginawa ng Transparent company or pang dagdag cost lang sa power cord nila.
Thanks.
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Pare-parehas lang tayo dito. Walang problema mag-experimento pero may problema sa akin iyung mga nagmamarunong pero di naman naintidihan ang sinasabi.
Sir Bogsle,
My experience with coaxial cables both is that the "aluminum shielding" is actually non-conductive. Starting from the inner conductor - solid or stranded copper, insulator, "aluminum shielding", copper shielding, insulator ... this is generally what I observe. Now as to why they have this thin layer of aluminum shielding, I don't know. Maybe to protect the solid or stranded copper insulator???
Thank you bro for understanding.
Thank you rin sa explanation. Malaking tulong to sa lahat.
Pero sana may comment ka rin about power cords naman that are using both aluminum and copper braid shielding, tulad ng Transparent Power Cord.
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From prototype, here now is my actual project for a 9 conductor braid:
Materials needed:
8 meters 14awg color red
8 meters 14awg color yellow
2 meters 12 awg color blue
Would yield 1 meter and 6 inches of braided 9 conductor power cord. The diameter of this is as wide as a 25 Centavo coin. I have noe tested this yet since wala pa akong mga plugs. So what can I say about this power cord? Ang sakit sa kamay gawin. Don't forget to cut your nails first before doing this. Took me approximately 3 hours to braid.
I have not started wrapping it with teflon and alluminum foil yet.
Sorry bro ngayon ko lang nakita post mo. As you may know, nagka problem ako sa PC ko.
But nevertheless, congratulations! Ang galing nito!
Thank you very much for your contributions in this post.
Basta, pagawa ng cable ha. hehehe ;D
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Bogsie,
Are you asking about the cable shielding on coaxial cables for A/V use or are we still in the subject of power cords?
Sorry, it's only recently I've access this site. I noticed that in some postings my query has been responded to already.
Thank you very much to everyone.
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Thank you bro for understanding.
Thank you rin sa explanation. Malaking tulong to sa lahat.
Pero sana may comment ka rin about power cords naman that are using both aluminum and copper braid shielding, tulad ng Transparent Power Cord.
Di ba aluminum is not a good conductor as compared to copper or silver so to me it would appear that its purpose maybe thermal??? However using aluminum, there will be higher voltage drop as compared to copper. This means that I will be able to get more information out of copper than aluminum whether at high freq or low freq - with or without skin effect.
In my experience and my line of work, we don't do any mods on the AC power cords - safety agencies do not allow it. To minimize noise we employ an EMI filter circuit. To eliminate or minimize line to line noise (differential noise) we use X1 or X2 capacitor and/or differential choke. To eliminate or minimize line to common noise (common mode noise) we use Y1 or Y2 capacitor and/or common mode choke. Further, PCB layout to minimize EMI are also employed eg the minimize loop areas specially on switching section or for amplifiers, the amplifier section.
Also, to give you an idea on the high frequency performance of twisting wires (unshielded) - not very good. A few months ago, I had asked my engineer to perform a comparison on the UBYTE-2 (RG 174 twisted coax) vs a coax cable (ordinary RG174) for noise and ripple measurements (20MHz BW limit) and the result on the UBYTE-2 was 2-3x higher measurement than the latter. However, on the least amount of impedance, capacitance and inductance with respect to frequency the performance on the audible band (up to 20KHz) the UBYTE-2 was better than ordinary coax.
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Another finished creation to be delivered to a pdvd member. Those interested can PM me.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P1220462.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P1220464.jpg)
This creation is 3.1 meters, to be split into 2 sets. Thus, 1.55 meters each. This is the longest cord i ever braided. 8 sets of 4 meter wire plus a 4 meter ground to make this 3.1 meter cord. >:(
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Looking good! ;)
Pwede ba maging mas tight pa yun braid?
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Bro, sorry if I did not make myself clear, it's my fault. I'm actually referring to power cables, not coax cables.
apology not required, ;D yes, your braided cable is in fact a coaxial cable since you have an inner conductor and outer ones, the analogy is correct...
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Looking good! ;)
Pwede ba maging mas tight pa yun braid?
This is the tightest that it could get. The inner core 14 gage is already bumping against the outer core. The only thing possible is to make the braids closer to each other.
Nahila ko na nga yung puno na horizontal filing cabinet ko sa sobrang tight ng pagka braid ko.
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This is the tightest that it could get. The inner core 14 gage is already bumping against the outer core. The only thing possible is to make the braids closer to each other.
Nahila ko na nga yung puno na horizontal filing cabinet ko sa sobrang tight ng pagka braid ko.
Ah ok, nonetheless, ang galing talaga. ;)
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Le_Stat,
Here is the finished product of the shunyata braided cable I got from you. That's the red, white and blue braided cables posted earlier in this thread.
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00975.jpg)(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00983.jpg)(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00988.jpg)(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00987.jpg)(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/DSC00995.jpg)
Materials used:
1. Le_Stat's shunyata braided cable wrapped in layers of teflon tape, aluminum foil, 2 layers of teflon tape, electric tape, then teflon tape again (para madulas) pag ipinasok sa 3/4 mica tube.
2. Then the usual Wattgate IEC and AC plugs and then secured it using heat shrink.
The cable length is 5 feet and 4 (or 6 inches). Sorry inaantok na ko.
It is now connected to my tube amp. So far I like what I'm hearing. I find the sound smoother than the one I made and the detail is WOW! Maybe because this has more wires? My cable only uses 3 guage14 per pole, while yours has 4 guage 14 per pole. Of course the braiding method you used would have an effect too. ;D
Tama ka, ang hirap ipasok sa butas nung mga plugs yung 4 guage 14 wires. However, I manage to find a way to do it easier. Aside from carving out the slots with my screw driver, I secured together each set of the guage 14 wires using cable ties. This way they are kept tightly together as I insert them thru the slots of the plugs. I also used small heat shrinks to cover the exposed wires inside the plugs (see top most pic)
Well, its only been 3 hours of use, and definitely there will be more change that will happen later on.
I'll just keep you posted.
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New DIY Power Cord in TOWN !!!
**No need for an Arm and a Leg to acquire one!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/Product1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/product3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/product2.jpg)
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where to get the IEC and AC plug?
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Impressive DIY power cords!!! I haven't seen the insides of a branded power cord but these ones look really good. If these won't sound any better, then, it means that what manufacturers say about their power cords is all hype. You guys are way too cool!
Has anyone tried using ferrite clamps on them? These things work and will look good on them too. Just don't know if there are bigger ferrite clamps for these monsters.
Can't wait to start on this new project.
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where to get the IEC and AC plug?
Bro,
My source is KPY555 but I hear his supply of plugs are out of stock and may be available again by mid-February.
But you can PM him if you like.
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thanks bro! :)
Bro,
My source is KPY555 but I hear his supply of plugs are out of stock and may be available again by mid-February.
But you can PM him if you like.
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si Gerry meron nito...
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si Gerry meron nito...
uy meron pla si Gerry? hehehe puro tubo kasi nakikita ko dun
eto contact details ni Gerry -
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=63844.0
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Twisted silver power cord:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P2040461.jpg)
left image - unwrapped twisting.
Right Image - twisting wrapped in aluminum foil and red electrical tape.
Silver Cable without plugs connected yet:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P2050468.jpg)
Picture of Twisted Silver cord and 9 conductor braid connected to a Xindac Line conditioner:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P3080558-1.jpg)
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;D ;D I did same DIY project: 8) 8) 8)
(DIY-shunyata braid design using monstercable wire)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/audiojunkie_album/pwr-diy.jpg)
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pareng Bogsle,
Mukhang may project ka on the finish line na next week. ;D
Pero, ubos na expandable sleeve mo. hehehe.
**i am now itching to do an 8 conductor braid using the helix design. with the success of this braid in the power cord of my system, ano kaya sa speaker cable? Using solid tinned copper, 0.5 mm thick each. 4 conductors per side making it 2mm thick (or thin). Material costing for this exceeds 9 conductor power cords.
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;D ;D I did same DIY project: 8) 8) 8)
(DIY-shunyata braid design using monstercable wire)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/audiojunkie_album/pwr-diy.jpg)
you should braid your power strip as well for consistency....looks like it uses dinky cord...
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you should braid your power strip as well for consistency....looks like it uses dinky cord...
Yes, I have thought of that but I don't to want modify its original components and besides the powerstrip is passive and I leave to my power cord to do the job.. 8) 8)
Thanks for the suggestions ... ;D
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Would these power cords make a difference in my system even if I don't use the grounding?
Want to build one. But if earth grounding is needed, then there's no point, cause I don't have sockets with ground. ;D
I also noticed that no one uses copper braid sheilding in the pictures. Is it because it's useless or is it just hard to find? Anybody know where I could find these copper braids locally?
One last thing, do you connect the ground at the amp side as well? I noticed in the Venhaus designs that one side of the copper sheilding is connected and the other is not. Does this go for the ground in your designs as well?
Please help me out cause am really interested. :)
Thanks.
Jason
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Would these power cords make a difference in my system even if I don't use the grounding?
Want to build one. But if earth grounding is needed, then there's no point, cause I don't have sockets with ground. ;D
I also noticed that no one uses copper braid sheilding in the pictures. Is it because it's useless or is it just hard to find? Anybody know where I could find these copper braids locally?
One last thing, do you connect the ground at the amp side as well? I noticed in the Venhaus designs that one side of the copper sheilding is connected and the other is not. Does this go for the ground in your designs as well?
Please help me out cause am really interested. :)
Thanks.
Jason
Bro, grounds are there mainly for safety reasons. But sometimes grounding eliminates noise or hum from the system.
Copper braiding is also usefull in filtering or blocking interferance. However, in as much as we would like to use them on our DIY power cords, they are expensive. They are sold by RS Components in 25-meter rolls.
RS Components sells them at this URL: http://www.rsphilippines.com/ (http://www.rsphilippines.com/)
Search for the key words "copper braid" and you'll be led right to it.
If you're interested, you will probably need the 10x2mm stock number 365-543 or 12x2.3mm stock number 365-559, which cost Php 4,747.00 and Php 6,760.00 respectively.
The ground wire is terminated at both ends of the power cord. However, the copper braid is only terminated at the power plug (the one that connects to the source) end.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks sir.
Really appreciate your help. Will start on the project soon. Would just like to ask if the stranded wires you are using are the ones used for buildings which are just pvc coated and not teflon coated? Would this cable also work if I use it with an AVR? Cause the AVR doesn't have ground.
Thanks again for your help.
Jason
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Would this cable also work if I use it with an AVR? Cause the AVR doesn't have ground.
Thanks again for your help.
Jason
This is what I've been planning to do too.
Sir Jason,
balitaan mo ko sa AVR DIY mo ha.
Thanks!
Mon
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This is what I've been planning to do too.
Sir Jason,
balitaan mo ko sa AVR DIY mo ha.
Thanks!
Mon
Sorry sir, baka na misunderstand mo ako. :D Am not gonna make a DIY AVR. ;D Nagtatanong lang po ako kung may silbi po yung power cord kung iplug ko din sa AVR dahit wala naman pong ground yung AVR ko. ;D
Jason
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Sir, yun nga po. I also want to change the power cord of my AVR na may ground. Besides, manipis kasi yung cord ng AVR kaya gusto ko din palitan.
Thanks!
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Thanks sir.
Really appreciate your help. Will start on the project soon. Would just like to ask if the stranded wires you are using are the ones used for buildings which are just pvc coated and not teflon coated? Would this cable also work if I use it with an AVR? Cause the AVR doesn't have ground.
Thanks again for your help.
Jason
We prefer the Phelps Dodge brand for the stranded copper wires because of the better quality of the copper and the durable and well-made jacket/coating (PVC and additional plastic jacket). Try to see/buy a Phelps Dodge guage 14 wire, compare it to a local made one, and you'll see the difference.
When you say AVR, you are referring to Automatic Voltage Regulator, not the AVR receiver, right?
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Yes Sir. Automatic voltage regulator and not receiver. :) Made my Power Cable.
Initial impressions, sound got cleaner. You can really hear the difference. I thought I already had clean crisp highs. Well, they were crisp. But now, they are clean and crisp. ;D Bass got better. I can't explain how, but it did. :D I'm sure it could have been better if I was able to braid it as you did. ;D I tried to do the same braid. Unfortunately, mine wasn't as nice and neat. Doesn't look the same either. ;D
Thanks for your help. Keep posting helpful tips and tweaks for us newbies. :)
Jason
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wow nakakaingit naman kayo!!! sayang wala ako talent when it comes to this things baka sumabog pa ang equipment ko he he he... are this cords suppose to replace the cord used in the receiver?
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neat!!! good job mga sir... the info was really hepful.. sir and master mukang ok un pag braid ng wire however the only problem or issue that we might encounter is ung pag connect na ng end cable papunta dun sa plugs. kase pagnagka balibaliktad ung cabit mo sa plugs for sure happy new year and labas ng gamit mo or even the roof is on fire... can you please kindly post the step by step sa pag kabit sa plug sir? is it color coding lang ba?how about ung ground?san po kakabit or solder?sorry sir newbie lang po..want to try lang sana para ako narin sesetup sa bahay. also sir kung pede san makakabili ng mas murang equipment for this thanks in advance sir.
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Kung meron 1-hour photo, eto ang sa akin =
One Hour DIY Power Cord Project: (note the time stamped on pics.)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-1.jpg)
Materials:
1.1m. = 14 ga. Power Cable aluminum foil shielded w/ drain wire
2.1 pc = IEC generic female plug
3.1 pc = IEC Hubbell male plug (hospital grade)
4.1 m. = Fire Retardant Nylon Mesh (for aesthetics)
5.2 pcs=5cm.heat shrink tubing
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-2.jpg)
Drain wire silver color
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-3.jpg)
wires screwed in place (drain wire not connected)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-4.jpg)
Note the aluminum foil shield and nylon fiber filler
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-5.jpg)
note drain wire connected @ ground wire
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-6.jpg)
Ready to Rock
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-7.jpg)
Closer look
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-8.jpg)
Another lenght w/ Hospital Grade male plug
Comments:
Actually, I have same power cord on my B&K Reference 31 pre/pro for sometime now.Eversince, I never experience any kind of hiss or humm on my speakers.
Aside from it's enhanced appearance, I believe it performs well in transmitting electrical current free of any EMI/RFI to the system.
;D ;D ;D
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Kung meron 1-hour photo, eto ang sa akin =
One Hour DIY Power Cord Project: (note the time stamped on pics.)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-1.jpg)
Materials:
1.14 ga. Generic aluminum foil shielded power cable
2.IEC generic female plug
3.Hubbel male plug (hospital grade)
4.nylon mesh (for aesthetics)
5.2-5cm.heat shrink tubing
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-2.jpg)
Drain wire silver color
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-3.jpg)
wires screwed in place (drain wire not connected)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-4.jpg)
Note the aluminum foil shield and nylon filler
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-5.jpg)
note drain wire connected at male plug
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-6.jpg)
Ready to Rock
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-7.jpg)
Closer look
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-8.jpg)
Another lenght w/ Hospital Grade male plug
Comments:
Actually, I have same power cord on my B&K Reference 31 pre/pro for sometime now.Eversince, I never experience any kind of hiss or humm on my speakers.
Aside from it's enhanced appearance, I believe it performs well in transmitting electrical current free of any EMI/RFI to the system.
;D ;D ;D
Bro, interested to buy. How do we go about it?
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Bro, interested to buy. How do we go about it?
Bro Lancito, 'ala ako sa Pinas. Many thanks sa interest... ;D
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Bro Lancito, 'ala ako sa Pinas. Many thanks sa interest... ;D
Sorry hindi ko alam. Kaya pala magaganda materials nagamit mo. Masama talaga quality ng mga binebenta dito satin.
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Sorry hindi ko alam. Kaya pala magaganda materials nagamit mo. Masama talaga quality ng mga binebenta dito satin.
Actually, sa local shops di rin available. Sa ACE hardware lang meron IEC plugs, standard kasi dito european type. some of those I got from used/unused materials from U.S. military camps.
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Would you know if the nylon mesh is available in the Phil?
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Would you know if the nylon mesh is available in the Phil?
sir if you have time check @ raon palagay ko meron dyan.
Isang shop dito selling din nylon mesh but not same quality style, just pure dull black at isa pa mahal.
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Thanks pare! If you don't mind me asking, nasan ka ba? Curious. ???
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Thanks pare! If you don't mind me asking, nasan ka ba? Curious. ???
sir, dito po sa Kuwait
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Ok thanks bro!
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you can get an aluminum shielded power cord from architectural audio and oyaide plugs, wattgate plugs are a tad cheaper at AVDI.
mga 4k-5k din to build one here.
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you can get an aluminum shielded power cord from architectural audio and oyaide plugs, wattgate plugs are a tad cheaper at AVDI.
mga 4k-5k din to build one here.
Better to buy gawa na in the Phil. Masyado mahal lahat. Ordered from PS Audio for about 2.5K.
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Old DIY power cords with new look:
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/TWIN1.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/TWIN2.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/TWIN3.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
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di ko parin sya ma gets. medjo naguguluhan ako dun sa end part both wire kung san ita tap or screw. o talagang tanga lang talaga ako. :-[
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Better to buy gawa na in the Phil. Masyado mahal lahat. Ordered from PS Audio for about 2.5K.
lance, share mo naman pics so we can see. thanks.
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lance, share mo naman pics so we can see. thanks.
Xtreme Power Punch Cable. Here's the pic you requested buddy.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee93/lancito_69/IMG_8388.jpg)
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Xtreme Power Punch Cable. Here's the pic you requested buddy.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee93/lancito_69/IMG_8388.jpg)
Is it the one with detachable ground plug? galing din ng wire geometry nito against EMI/RFI...
congratz! sir Lancito... ;D
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^ magkano score ko sa ganyan cable sir?
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Is it the one with detachable ground plug? galing din ng wire geometry nito against EMI/RFI...
congratz! sir Lancito... ;D
Thanks! Yes you can unscrew the ground plug. Available at AVDI ShangriLa order basis.
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^^^ 2,500???
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^^^ 2,500???
Well, computing US$65 to US$1=Php40, parang Php2,500 ++. ;D it's US$65 + US$16 shipping to CA tapos bahala ka na kung pano mo paparatingin satin.
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di ko parin sya ma gets. medjo naguguluhan ako dun sa end part both wire kung san ita tap or screw. o talagang tanga lang talaga ako. :-[
bro kicx_zippinbud, you don't have to be a tech to do this exercise, I'm not a tech either... :D.
Simple lang paggawa nito - ang kilangan lang is to keep same polarity of the male and female plugs, color coded naman ang mga wires.At ang importante hindi shorted, check all contacts a couple or more times to be 100% sure that nothing got mixed-up in the connections...
good-luck... ;D
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bro kicx_zippinbud, you don't have to be a tech to do this exercise, I'm not a tech either... :D.
Simple lang paggawa nito - ang kilangan lang is to keep same polarity of the male and female plugs, color coded naman ang mga wires.At ang importante hindi shorted, check all contacts a couple or more times to be 100% sure that nothing got mixed-up in the connections...
good-luck... ;D
thanks sir audiojunkie! follow up question. once ive done with it.. how can i test it without damaging my unit? or is there a way to test if its working properly or not and how?sorry im just a newbie to electric stuff like this DIY:)
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thanks sir audiojunkie! follow up question. once ive done with it.. how can i test it without damaging my unit? or is there a way to test if its working properly or not and how?sorry im just a newbie to electric stuff like this DIY:)
I would not recommend testing the power capbles on you gears immediately. Better use a multi-tester and check the poles are matched at both ends and ensure there are not grounded wires (poles that may be in contact with one another).
Ask someone to help you out if needed.
You connect them to your gears only when you are VERY, VERY, VERY sure the power cable is safe to use.
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I would just like to share this:
http://www.takefiveaudio.com/mall/shopcontent.asp?type=Tunami_PC (http://www.takefiveaudio.com/mall/shopcontent.asp?type=Tunami_PC)
These the exact materials I'm using now. Very clean sound, black background, more detail, more punch.
I used Oyaide SWO-GX ULTIMO power outlet with them.
(http://www.oyaide.com/e_audio/audio_products_files/products_images/swo-gx.jpg)
Nice...
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/bogsle/PowerConnection.jpg)
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I've just finished my DIY Power Cord too.... :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00270.jpg)
Happy Indeed!!! ;D
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I've just finished my DIY Power Cord too.... :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00270.jpg)
Happy Indeed!!! ;D
Bro Hermie, WoooW - Woow! ganda ng creations mo! congratz! welcome to DIY PC Club....
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Bro Hermie, WoooW - Woow! ganda ng creations mo! congratz! welcome to DIY PC Club....
Thank you very much Sir! kayo padin ang "Idol" ko sa DIY ng Power Cord! :D
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Thank you very much Sir! kayo padin ang "Idol" ko sa DIY ng Power Cord! :D
salamat brader Hermie, pero marami na ring gumawa nito ahead of me, sila ang dapat na me-hawak ng title na ito.... ;D ;D ;D
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I've just finished my DIY Power Cord too.... :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00270.jpg)
Happy Indeed!!! ;D
wow Mr.H ang gagwapo nyan ah! congrats!
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I've just finished my DIY Power Cord too.... :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00270.jpg)
Happy Indeed!!! ;D
Brader Hermie .... "chin suy" .... ang gu-gwapo naman ng mga sawa na yan .... :o :o :o
Congratz!!! ;D
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wow Mr.H ang gagwapo nyan ah! congrats!
Thanks bro. JohnE! :)
Brader Hermie .... "chin suy" .... ang gu-gwapo naman ng mga sawa na yan .... :o :o :o
Congratz!!! ;D
"Toh-Siah" Hatorni! ;)
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brader H !!!
padala mo na sa akin yang 3 !!!
gawa ka na lang uli !!!
ganda eh! congrats!!!
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brader H !!!
padala mo na sa akin yang 3 !!!
gawa ka na lang uli !!!
ganda eh! congrats!!!
Oo bah! hehehehe :D
Thanks fafa Jim! ;D
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Oo bah! hehehehe :D
Thanks fafa Jim! ;D
abangan ko dito sa pinas ha!!!
tawid dagat lang naman dyan to here........ hehehehehe.... ;D
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I've just finished my DIY Power Cord too.... :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00270.jpg)
Happy Indeed!!! ;D
Mr. H!
Gawa ka dami benta natin dito!Nyahahaha! Ang galing ng pagkakagawa!
Seriously bro where do you plan to use it with? Feedback ha!? Enjoy bro!
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I've just finished my DIY Power Cord too.... :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00270.jpg)
Happy Indeed!!! ;D
ang pogi pogi naman nitong mga ito brader hermie!!! tama sila padala mo na yan dito at ma testing!!! ahihihi!!!
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Mr. H!
Gawa ka dami benta natin dito!Nyahahaha! Ang galing ng pagkakagawa!
Seriously bro where do you plan to use it with? Feedback ha!? Enjoy bro!
Thanks bro.Raul! :)
I'm going to use it for my Behringer amps, cdp and my sub.
so far ok pa naman sila hehehe ;D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00278.jpg)
ang pogi pogi naman nitong mga ito brader hermie!!! tama sila padala mo na yan dito at ma testing!!! ahihihi!!!
maraming salamat po brader Jake! :D
Just finished another batch hehehe... :)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00274.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00273.jpg)
My DIY Power Cords.... ;)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00276.jpg)
Happy Indeed!!! :D ;)
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Thanks bro.Raul! :)
I'm going to use it for my Behringer amps, cdp and my sub.
so far ok pa naman sila hehehe ;D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00278.jpg)
maraming salamat po brader Jake! :D
Just finished another batch hehehe... :)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00274.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00273.jpg)
My DIY Power Cords.... ;)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00276.jpg)
Happy Indeed!!! :D ;)
Gwapo naman niyan. Nasa Manila ka ba Mr. H? Baka puwede bumili ng isa. :)
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ang gagwapo nga Mr.H! ang galing ng gawa mo ;D pati sub mo ang gwapo bagay na bagay ang power cord!
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oist!
ganda naman!
ano??
pm ko na mailing address ko sayo???
type ko tlga lalo na yung blue! 3 x 1 meter sana!!
;D
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Thanks bro.Raul! :)
I'm going to use it for my Behringer amps, cdp and my sub.
so far ok pa naman sila hehehe ;D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00278.jpg)
maraming salamat po brader Jake! :D
Just finished another batch hehehe... :)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00274.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00273.jpg)
My DIY Power Cords.... ;)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00276.jpg)
Happy Indeed!!! :D ;)
brader Hermie, marami ka ng finished products...ah! buti pa dyan maraming DIY materials abelabol... dito wala talaga have to source outside.
magkakano ang yang IEC plugs... kindly send me PM. thanks
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Thanks very much for your appreciation Guys! ;) :D
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(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00278.jpg)
bro balik manmade thunder na sig mo! ;D
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danda danda nung blue!
pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan!pagawa,pabile,padala na dito yan! ;D
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danda danda nung blue! ;D
Many Thanks Bro.! :D ;)
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ako yung parang ahas ang type ko ;D total 2 naman sila ;D
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Ganda ng power cords. Great work!
What materials did you use for the cables?
Congrats.
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Ganda ng power cords. Great work!
What materials did you use for the cables?
Congrats.
Thanks very much sir Bogsle. :)
I'm using Eichmann Express cable wires for my DIY Power Cords... so far so good naman po! :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00295.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00299.jpg)
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brader Hermie, anong gauge nito? :D
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brader Hermie, anong gauge nito? :D
Hello bro.Mon! gauge 11 yata yan. :)
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Hello bro.Mon! gauge 11 yata yan. :)
Thanks, brader Hermie.. ;D
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bro hermie!
give us hope naman dyan! nyahahahaha! ;D ibigay mo na! ang dami na naming tulo laway dito!
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done DIY using tamy913's hubbell plugs and nylon wire mesh:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord01.jpg) (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord015.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord013.jpg) (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord014.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord012.jpg) (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord011.jpg)
for size perspective i placed a cigarette stick. ;D
thanks paolo!
at maraming salamas din kay brader hermie at brader mon for serving as my SARSpiration for this project at siempre kay brader jim for always providing the tools! mabuhay kayo!
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Ganda nyan brader Jake! ;)
welcome to the club hehehehe!!! :D ;D
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galing anu! ;D kayo ni audiojunkie ang inspiration namin! ;)
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correction brader john - SARSpiration! ;D
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hehehe tama ka jake and ngyun you made it real and possible! hehehe! (lugi ngyun mga HT shop dahil sa DIY) LOL!
gusto ko rin gumawa ng DIY jumper cables ::)
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brader john mas madali nga yan eh...PMd tamy (paolo) to also bring in goodies! haha! abangan! ;)
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tahimik muna ako.....
wala pa ako rekados eh.............. ;D
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done DIY using tamy913's hubbell plugs and nylon wire mesh:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord01.jpg) (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord015.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord013.jpg) (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord014.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord012.jpg) (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord011.jpg)
for size perspective i placed a cigarette stick. ;D
thanks paolo!
at maraming salamas din kay brader hermie at brader mon for serving as my SARSpiration for this project at siempre kay brader jim for always providing the tools! mabuhay kayo!
Brader Jake, Congratz! ganda ng DIY PC project mo.... :o 8) 8) kelan umpisahan ang mass production?... ;D :D :D
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hehehe tama ka jake and ngyun you made it real and possible! hehehe! (lugi ngyun mga HT shop dahil sa DIY) LOL!
gusto ko rin gumawa ng DIY jumper cables ::)
brader JohnE, ganito ang gusto mong gawin?
Speaker Jumper (Kimber 4TC):
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/kimber-jmpr.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/kk-spade.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/k-bnn.jpg)
;D
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;D ;D
brader JohnE, ganito ang gusto mong gawin?
Speaker Jumper (Kimber 4TC):
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/kimber-jmpr.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/kk-spade.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/k-bnn.jpg)
;D
ang husay talaga !!!
pa-order din nga nyan !!! ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D
ang husay talaga !!!
pa-order din nga nyan !!! ;D ;D ;D
brader XXX, kayang-kaya mong gawin 'to.... ;D DIY season naman ngayon.... :D :D :D
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fellow DIYers, would encourage to summarize as requested by most to post here all accessories created.
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=84232.0
also post stories behind your creations! thanks!
with due respect to the owner of this thread...
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brader JohnE, ganito ang gusto mong gawin?
Speaker Jumper (Kimber 4TC):
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/kimber-jmpr.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/kk-spade.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/k-bnn.jpg)
;D
NICE ONE! Congrats Pare!
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exacto ! ganyan nga! pwede ata for the banana tips yung plugs ni oreoshake and spade naman meron sa hardware! ;D
im still researching kung pwede gamitan ng cat5 cable pero baka try ko na rin next week kung sipagin ;D
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exacto ! ganyan nga! pwede ata for the banana tips yung plugs ni oreoshake and spade naman meron sa hardware! ;D
im still researching kung pwede gamitan ng cat5 cable pero baka try ko na rin next week kung sipagin ;D
damihan mo ha !!! ;D
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NICE ONE! Congrats Pare!
Thanks! sir supes... ;D
O.T. lang po'... :D
Sample Connection:
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/k-jumper-2.jpg)
:D
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wooohoooo! nice one!
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done DIY using tamy913's hubbell plugs and nylon wire mesh:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord01.jpg) (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord015.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord013.jpg) (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord014.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord012.jpg) (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/DIYPwrCord011.jpg)
for size perspective i placed a cigarette stick. ;D
thanks paolo!
at maraming salamas din kay brader hermie at brader mon for serving as my SARSpiration for this project at siempre kay brader jim for always providing the tools! mabuhay kayo!
bro! what cable did you use? local? philflex? (aside from the mesh and the hubbel)
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bro am not familiar with the gauge as i just got those from jim.
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bro am not familiar with the gauge as i just got those from jim.
royalchord na gauge #12.......
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royalchord na gauge #12.......
anong po gamit nyo na material in between the cable and the nylon mesh?
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anong po gamit nyo na material in between the cable and the nylon mesh?
jim ako na ang sasagot ah,
weng, its just the mesh over the royal cable. simple lang. ;D
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jim ako na ang sasagot ah,
weng, its just the mesh over the royal cable. simple lang. ;D
ahh okay, got it jake. you guys are using a 3-wire cable. ako kasi gamit ko ay #12 AWG THHN cable (phelps dodge) na naka braid. kaya panget tingnan kahit may nylon mesh.
thanks bro ;)
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ahh okay, got it jake. you guys are using a 3-wire cable. ako kasi gamit ko ay #12 AWG THHN cable (phelps dodge) na naka braid. kaya panget tingnan kahit may nylon mesh.
thanks bro ;)
Brader Weng....naka Braid or 3-wire cable man yan....what important here is naka gawa tayo ng DIY Power Cord natin hehehehe :D ;D :D ;D
Diba Guys... Enjoy!!! ;)
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ahh okay, got it jake. you guys are using a 3-wire cable. ako kasi gamit ko ay #12 AWG THHN cable (phelps dodge) na naka braid. kaya panget tingnan kahit may nylon mesh.
thanks bro ;)
Sir Gnew, marami ring ganyang configuration for sale online w/ $$$$ price tag .... ;D
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sirs mr H/audiojunkie,
hehehe, thanks. ang tigas lang ng #12ga THHN, 3-wire braided cable. will try the royal chord-mas pogi ;D. i think ito yung ginagamit ng mga nag install ng split type aircon sa bahay.
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Sirs, san po ba makakabili locally ng mga Hubell na plugs (male and female) or other brands? I'd like to try doing some DIY power cords myself eh. Thanks.
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chief, for the hubbell plugs try this:
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=81065.0
bilis at box office ang pila! ;D
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Thanks Jake, looking at it already. ;)
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sirs mr H/audiojunkie,
hehehe, thanks. ang tigas lang ng #12ga THHN, 3-wire braided cable. will try the royal chord-mas pogi ;D. i think ito yung ginagamit ng mga nag install ng split type aircon sa bahay.
sir GneW, ito po ba ay solid core wire? talagang mahirap nga makipagbuno dito... ;D :D
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ito po ba ay solid core wire?
no, ussualy 7 strands of #20 wire(estimated) kaya mahirap bunuin....royal cables can have as many as 16~24 strands if i am not mistaken and a thinner gage so relatively mas madaling bunuin... ;D
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sir GneW, ito po ba ay solid core wire? talagang mahirap nga makipagbuno dito... ;D :D
stranded din sir pero mga 7 to 8 solid wires ang laman nya kaya matigas. marami kasing natira sa pagawa ng bahay ko kaya ito nalang gamit. naka #12A AWG ang lahat ng convenience outlet ko sa bahay
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In my DIY project, stranded rin ang ginamit ko pino lang ang gage ng wires. Pero medyo mahirap ding e-manipulate dahil sa aluminum foil shielding, drain wire at nylon filler.
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-5.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-4.jpg)
Drain wire silver color
;D
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i used 3 wires awg12 royal cord... terminated with wattgate & Japanese made IEC connectors
i used my DIY power cords on my powered subwoofer, CD player, preamp and power amp
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb298/fermacarayomd/DIY-_MG_0088ew.jpg)
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i used 3 wires awg12 royal cord... terminated with wattgate & Japanese made IEC connectors
i used my DIY power cords on my powered subwoofer, CD player, preamp and power amp
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb298/fermacarayomd/DIY-_MG_0088ew.jpg)
Nice One sir! ;D
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thank you very much sir audiojunkie for the kind words ;) :)
these royal cords are locally made and are inexpensive wires that can be bought by the meter at most hardware stores... the IEC terminals i sourced previously abroad but there is now a local supplier who sell these at reasonable price...
btw, i recently bought a handful of inexpensive but "heavier duty" IEC sockets from KINETIC (AMXaudio) to match my DIY cords... these IEC sockets will be installed on several servo type AVRs i used at home for audio, HT, TVs, big photocopier, PABX, computers, laser printers and other sensitive electronic stuff...
dami na po paggagamitan sa bahay ng mga DIY cords ko... hehehe
cheers!!
fer
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Wow! Nice work bass_nut :)
Congrats & Enjoy! :D ;)
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thank you very much po Mr.H for the encouraging words ;) :)
cheers!!
fer
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I've just finished another DIY's recently....
Power Cords (again!) :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00344.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00358.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00307.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00314.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00324.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00327.jpg)
Very happy indeed again!!! ;D :D ;)
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brader!
ang gaganda!!!
pero... eto crush ko.... ;D ;D ;D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00358.jpg)
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brader!
ang gaganda!!!
pero... eto crush ko.... ;D ;D ;D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00358.jpg)
tenk you brader jim! ;)
kaya lang dina pwede yan ksi mag asawa na sila ni Rotel ko ngayon ahahaha :D ;D
(pasyal ka dito at igagawa kita ng tatlo hehehehe) :D
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I've just finished another DIY's recently....
Power Cords (again!) :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00344.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00358.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00307.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00314.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00324.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00327.jpg)
Very happy indeed again!!! ;D :D ;)
ehem... ehem... ang ganda ng mga power cords ninyo sir Mr.H.... tulo laway ko sa inggit... congratz po !! ;) :)
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ehem... ehem... ang ganda ng mga power cords ninyo sir Mr.H.... tulo laway ko sa inggit... congratz po !! ;) :)
maraming salamat po sir bass_nut :)
may nakukunan lang kasi ng mga rekados here. hehehehe :D
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I've just finished another DIY's recently....
Power Cords (again!) :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00344.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00358.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00307.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00314.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00324.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00327.jpg)
Very happy indeed again!!! ;D :D ;)
brader H,gaganda talaga nyan! basang-basa ang famfers ko...pansin ko lang po iba-iba ang diameter ng cables like; magenta & gray ...DIY King! :D ;D :D
paambon naman dyan ng mga rekados... ;D ;D ;D
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brader H,gaganda talaga nyan! basang-basa ang famfers ko...pansin ko lang po iba-iba ang diameter ng cables like; magenta & gray ...DIY King! :D ;D :D
paambon naman dyan ng mga rekados... ;D ;D ;D
Thank you very much bro.AJ ;)
napansin modin yung diameter ng mga cables...hehehe :D
gusto ko kasi subukan yung ibang klaseng cables ;D
PM mo lang kung ano ang likes mo brader... ;)
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grabe brader hermie ang gaganda ng gawa mo! ang galing! magkanu yung black with bronze? ;)
congrats idol ka talaga! sana pag dalaw mo ulit dito eh may dala kang ganyan! ;D
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grabe brader hermie ang gaganda ng gawa mo! ang galing! magkanu yung black with bronze? ;)
congrats idol ka talaga! sana pag dalaw mo ulit dito eh may dala kang ganyan! ;D
Thanks sa appreciation bro.John! :)
magaganda din yung bago mong mga cables... hehehehe :D
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hehehe oonga excited pa nga ako madagdagan! idol ko kasi kayo ni audio junkie ;D
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My DIY powercord using Oyaide Clone connectors.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2802056088_ed31e4c18a.jpg)
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hmmm...this looks familiar!
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My DIY powercord using Oyaide Clone connectors.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2802056088_ed31e4c18a.jpg)
ang taba nyan! busog na busog! nice DIY sir ;)
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My DIY powercord using Oyaide Clone connectors.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2802056088_ed31e4c18a.jpg)
sir Edwin, just curious lang po, ano po ba ang shielding at ilang layers? TIA:D
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hmmm...this looks familiar!
S H U N Y A T A ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.soundscapehifi.com/images/shunyata-python.jpg)
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ang taba nyan! busog na busog! nice DIY sir ;)
Salamat. Ganda rin nito tumunog he he he
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sir Edwin, just curious lang po, ano po ba ang shielding at ilang layers? TIA:D
6 wires of 2 different gauges + 1 ground wire. Unshielded ito pero if you want, simplest shield you could use is an aluminum tape to wrap the wires.
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6 wires of 2 different gauges + 1 ground wire. Unshielded ito pero if you want, simplest shield you could use is an aluminum tape to wrap the wires.
I did similar braiding geometry but used only 2+2+1, the finished product was a bit thinner than you got. ::)
thanks for the info. ;D
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Swerte lang ako at naging benefactor ako ng gawa ni Edwin when I visited him in SG... :D
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My DIY powercord using Oyaide Clone connectors.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2802056088_ed31e4c18a.jpg)
sir edwin!
pwede ka rin bang mabisita sa sgp? end of this month? ;D
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sir edwin!
pwede ka rin bang mabisita sa sgp? end of this month? ;D
walang problema. contact mo lang ako once ur here.
my number is +65 92773345
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Swerte lang ako at naging benefactor ako ng gawa ni Edwin when I visited him in SG... :D
Jen,
hopefully, click ito sa cd player mo ;)
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walang problema. contact mo lang ako once ur here.
my number is +65 92773345
whoa! will definitely give you a ring bro! thanks!
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i have been receiving PMs with regards the DIY power chord
here is my usual reply so others may also be informed from my humble inputs
the wattgate is a brand for IEC plugs... i source these thru internet from partsexpress.com (USA)... around US$10 each excluding tax & shipping... i humbly recommend that you source locally when available for convenience & savings...
any locally available royal chord awg12 will do, that is, from my limited experience... either 3 wire (with ground/earth) or 2 wire... around P48/meter and available at hardware/electrical stores.... i use these as the coverings are more sturdy and damage resistant as compared to the OEM chords of say my servo AVRs... the inner copper conductor wires are also of heavier gauge
IEC socket (female)... this is the part that is mounted on the audio gear or my servo AVRs.. i source mine from AMXaudio (Robinsons Pioneer st Mandaluyong Metromanila) at P40 each which is way cheaper than Hong Kong price of P90.00... AMXaudio stocks are of higher grade quality with thicker metal contacts than what i got from Hong Kong...
the shrinkable sleeves are also available at raon and other hardware/electrical stores... this gives a hugging fit of the plugs and the chord
wire mesh are for covering the entire length of the chord... at both ends the shrinkable sleeves will give good aesthetic looks & reduce the chord stress due to flexing when using the chord
FWIW, hubbel plugs & wire mesh are also available from shutterboy (Manny)... his asking price is much lower than my source in Hong Kong...
you may please view the pictures made & posted by Mr.H & sir Edwin... their power chords are absolutely far better made than mine as i have clumsy hands in DIY....
i hope these help ;)
kindest regards,
fer
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My DIY powercord using Oyaide Clone connectors.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2802056088_ed31e4c18a.jpg)
What do you have inside, a burmese python? ;D
That cord is THICK!
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I've just finished another DIY's recently....
Power Cords (again!) :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00344.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00358.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00307.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00314.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00324.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00327.jpg)
Very happy indeed again!!! ;D :D ;)
ang ganda naman :o ;)
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finally finished my 3 DIY powerchords!
(with lots of help from Jake!) ;D
will take pix tonyt for posting..........
pero idol ko pa rin ang powerchords ni Master H ! :D
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finally finished my 3 DIY powerchords!
(with lots of help from Jake!) ;D
will take pix tonyt for posting..........
pero idol ko pa rin ang powerchords ni Master H ! :D
Congratz! brader XXX, Post Pics na agad at XXX-cited na kaming makita... :o :o :o
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nakow!
kung kelan nagupload ng photo sa PB... tsaka naman nag-maintenance!
kainis! ;D ;D ;D
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try ko lang kung lalabas pix...
uploaded at multiply...
(http://images.xxxyzledge.multiply.com/image/2/photos/3/600x600/1/pc1.JPG?et=Pu6Wy2TZwk5qPq612PB5SA&nmid=115735661)
(http://images.xxxyzledge.multiply.com/image/2/photos/3/600x600/3/pc3.JPG?et=IIlQAP2rHwNJOl2f4OxEng&nmid=115735661)
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try ko lang kung lalabas pix...
uploaded at multiply...
(http://images.xxxyzledge.multiply.com/image/2/photos/3/600x600/1/pc1.JPG?et=Pu6Wy2TZwk5qPq612PB5SA&nmid=115735661)
(http://images.xxxyzledge.multiply.com/image/2/photos/3/600x600/3/pc3.JPG?et=IIlQAP2rHwNJOl2f4OxEng&nmid=115735661)
(http://images.xxxyzledge.multiply.com/image/2/photos/3/600x600/2/pc2.JPG?et=9PxKz8Ou6P6V5bTVZAyd4w&nmid=115735661)
Ganda fafi Jim!!! :o
iba talaga ang "Black Beauty"!!! :D ;D
Black Is Beautiful!!! ;)
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Ganda fafi Jim!!! :o
iba talaga ang "Black Beauty"!!! :D ;D
Black Is Beautiful!!! ;)
BLUE is BETTER !!! ;D ;D ;D
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try ko lang kung lalabas pix...
uploaded at multiply...
(http://images.xxxyzledge.multiply.com/image/2/photos/3/600x600/1/pc1.JPG?et=Pu6Wy2TZwk5qPq612PB5SA&nmid=115735661)
(http://images.xxxyzledge.multiply.com/image/2/photos/3/600x600/3/pc3.JPG?et=IIlQAP2rHwNJOl2f4OxEng&nmid=115735661)
(http://images.xxxyzledge.multiply.com/image/2/photos/3/600x600/2/pc2.JPG?et=9PxKz8Ou6P6V5bTVZAyd4w&nmid=115735661)
brader XXX, ganda talaga pagmasdan yang creations mo ... :o :o :o
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ang ganda naman :o ;)
chalamat po brader Ricky! :D ;)
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bro jermie,
any updates on your new creations? la ka bang papakawalang sawa hehe... ;)
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bro jermie,
any updates on your new creations? la ka bang papakawalang sawa hehe... ;)
+1
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from a reliable source.... 8) parating na .. :o kaya pumila na kayo... ;D ;D ;D
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from a reliable source.... 8) parating na .. :o kaya pumila na kayo... ;D ;D ;D
Request ko red sana color para madali ko mabuyo si yaya ;)
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Request ko red sana color para madali ko mabuyo si yaya ;)
Yong Master Builder lang makakasagot nyan brader Ricky... ;D ::)
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Request ko red sana color para madali ko mabuyo si yaya ;)
huwaw! red sawa! patay na! tenga lang ang walang latay! ;D
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from a reliable source.... 8) parating na .. :o kaya pumila na kayo... ;D ;D ;D
;D meron akong alam pero di ko sasabihin ;D
oo pila na kayo at mukang limited stocks ito.
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;D meron akong alam pero di ko sasabihin ;D
oo pila na kayo at mukang limited stocks ito.
nakapila na ako... ::) ::) matagal na pero nasa audience section.... ;D :o :o ;D
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hehehe di na pala secret at dami na fans ;D
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Mga sir, paadvice naman kung saan nakakabili ng murang plugs na male ka female. Mdyo low budget, di kayang bumili ng finish product na power cord.Thanks. :)
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Mga sir, paadvice naman kung saan nakakabili ng murang plugs na male ka female. Mdyo low budget, di kayang bumili ng finish product na power cord.Thanks in advice. :)
tamy913 sells M/F Hubbell Plugs. But it's out of stock right now. I think stocks will be coming in sometime this month. P600 for the pair.
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an original APC 3 wire power cord with AC line fault sensing feature.. i terminated the other end of this hard to find APC cord with an AC Receptacle 3 Conductor (yellow color) .. no soldering needed.. just wire cutter and screw driver
APC power cord
(http://i46.tinypic.com/o5dj4y.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/sfz58i.jpg)
viola !!! DIY heavy duty extension cord 8)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/1h86f8.jpg)
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an original APC 3 wire power cord with AC line fault sensing feature.. i terminated the other end of this hard to find APC cord with an AC Receptacle 3 Conductor (yellow color) .. no soldering needed.. just wire cutter and screw driver
APC power cord
(http://i46.tinypic.com/o5dj4y.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/sfz58i.jpg)
viola !!! DIY heavy duty extension cord 8)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/1h86f8.jpg)
Congratz! very nice work... :o :o :o ;D
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thanks sir audiojunkie
update:
APC cord gift of boss Ken for me ... Hubbell plug from koya Capt. Skee/bro Tamy
APC/Hubbell 3 wire power cord !!! ;)
will use these power cords for my LD mk ll tube amp and SuperPro 707DAC
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2qiqr9c.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/33zem4l.jpg)
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Anyone know where I could get right angle plugs?
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Anyone know where I could get right angle plugs?
Try RS components or Farnel.
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i brought home some european type power cords, so i deciced to do some mods:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/110329006.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/110329008.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/110329007.jpg)
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i brought home some european type power cords, so i deciced to do some mods:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/110329006.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/110329008.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/110329007.jpg)
Any improvement to the effort?
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^i don't know, my goal was to remove the pin type prongs to a phils. standard plug, i was not looking for any improvement in sound other than functionality....
there was a big improvement in that i never had to use adoptors on my power cords.... ;D
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^i don't know, my goal was to remove the pin type prongs to a phils. standard plug, i was not looking for any improvement in sound other than functionality....
there was a big improvement in that i never had to use adoptors on my power cords.... ;D
wala bang "noise totally gone, bass became rounder, details opened up and more shimmer in the treble region?" ;D
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My DIY powercord using Oyaide Clone connectors.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2802056088_ed31e4c18a.jpg)
Super Taba ;D & Super Nice ;)
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wala bang "noise totally gone, bass became rounder, details opened up and more shimmer in the treble region?" ;D
huh? ano yon? eye candy lang yan.... ;) :D ;D
if you know how transformers are made(i make those for my projects) and what type of wires are used to wind them.....then you'll know better.... ;D
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I finally finish my DIY power cord, w/ the aluminum covers, plugs & the mesh jacket coming from Sir TAMY just last Saturday. But have to figure out how to post pics na naman ;D
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I finally finish my DIY power cord, w/ the aluminum covers, plugs & the mesh jacket coming from Sir TAMY just last Saturday. But have to figure out how to post pics na naman ;D
Congrats Sir Sunset & waiting for the pics.. :o :)
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This is the best I could do in uploading the images, untill now I havent figured it how ???
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/at_sunset_blvd/P6201564.jpg)
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/at_sunset_blvd/P6201563.jpg)
at last I did my 1st DIY Power Cord ;D
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This is the best I could do in uploading the images, untill now I havent figured it how ???
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/at_sunset_blvd/P6201564.jpg)
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/at_sunset_blvd/P6201563.jpg)
at last I did my 1st DIY Power Cord ;D
Wow! :o Very Nice... 8) that looks like BoK by ZU audio! :)
(for uploading I made image size about 400x300 pixels).
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Wow! :o Very Nice... 8) that looks like BoK by ZU audio! :)
(for uploading I made image size about 400x300 pixels).
Thanks Brader audiojunkie ;)
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sir tony san mo nabili ung ferrite core?
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/110329006.jpg)
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^marami sa ROKS sa raon....
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thanks sir tony, pero napansin ko ung mga lumang playstation controller ko may ferrite core pagtatatangalin ko na lang ;D
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Mga DIYers,
I' thinking of making my own power cord using the plugs of sir Tamy. My question is, there is a red dot in my external power amp. In the manual it states:
"For best sonic results, correct orientation of the AC plug is important. The prong with the red dot
should be connected to the "hot" connection of your wall socket"
ano pong ibig sabihin nang "hot connection"? ito po ba yung equivalent nang green dot sa mga hospital grade plugs?
How can i determine which is the hot connection in the socket? kung nakasaksak naman yung power cord nung external power amp sa AVR, relevant pa ba itong "hot connecton"?
Marami pong salamat. :)
Thank you.
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Mga DIYers,
I' thinking of making my own power cord using the plugs of sir Tamy. My question is, there is a red dot in my external power amp. In the manual it states:
"For best sonic results, correct orientation of the AC plug is important. The prong with the red dot
should be connected to the "hot" connection of your wall socket"
ano pong ibig sabihin nang "hot connection"? ito po ba yung equivalent nang green dot sa mga hospital grade plugs?
How can i determine which is the hot connection in the socket? kung nakasaksak naman yung power cord nung external power amp sa AVR, relevant pa ba itong "hot connecton"?
Marami pong salamat. :)
Thank you.
AFAIK, RED dot or HOT means the positive (+) live side of the current. The green dot on Hosp. grade plug could mean something else so don't rely on it. some plugs also are labeled where the hot side is.
Since our local socket standard is only 2 pronged if it's properly installed it should be at right hand side hole. In some articles and in some some systems power in-phase is important to function on it's potential, but some it's quite no effect or very little if there's any.
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Thank you sir sa response. How can i determine the hot side sir? Can i use a tester to do this?
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Thank you sir sa response. How can i determine the hot side sir? Can i use a tester to do this?
yes, there is a tool to test polarity. type depends on brand.
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yes, there is a tool to test polarity. type depends on brand.
Thank you sir :)
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Mga DIY gurus:
Aside from Deeco sa Quaipo, saan pa po ba nakakabili nang mga ganitong items? wala po kse sa mga Ace Hardware eh. Preferably, Pasig Area. Thank you:
Wire:
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/PC-4.jpg)
Ferrite Core:
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/hdc1/DSC00307.jpg)
Shink Tubes:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/110329006.jpg)
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Hope this helps about ferrite cores:
Television, computers, etc. generate high frequency noise; sometimes this noise gets to the line cord which can then act as an antenna and "broadcast" the noise which may be picked up by other equipment. That's why the ferrites are always placed on the end of the power cord nearest to the equipment.
If, when you turn on a certain piece of electronics equipment, you do not see or hear interference in other equipment, then you don't need to put the ferrites on the power cord.
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Hope this helps about ferrite cores:
Television, computers, etc. generate high frequency noise; sometimes this noise gets to the line cord which can then act as an antenna and "broadcast" the noise which may be picked up by other equipment. That's why the ferrites are always placed on the end of the power cord nearest to the equipment.
If, when you turn on a certain piece of electronics equipment, you do not see or hear interference in other equipment, then you don't need to put the ferrites on the power cord.
Thank you sir on your input. Since I will be making my first power cord, I'm trying to emulate those created by our DIYers. Wala naman pong mawawala :)
Again, thank you :)
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meron akong shrink tubes, kaunti nga lang, tawag ka.....6282996...
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meron akong shrink tubes, kaunti nga lang, tawag ka.....6282996...
Thank you sir Tony ;D
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Mga DIYers,
I' thinking of making my own power cord using the plugs of sir Tamy. My question is, there is a red dot in my external power amp. In the manual it states:
"For best sonic results, correct orientation of the AC plug is important. The prong with the red dot
should be connected to the "hot" connection of your wall socket"
ano pong ibig sabihin nang "hot connection"? ito po ba yung equivalent nang green dot sa mga hospital grade plugs?
How can i determine which is the hot connection in the socket? kung nakasaksak naman yung power cord nung external power amp sa AVR, relevant pa ba itong "hot connecton"?
Marami pong salamat. :)
Thank you.
Split phase po ata ang residential supply na kuryente sa most sa pilipinas, so kung 220V ang outlet mo, chances are parehong prongs are hot/live. That's why polarized plugs are not very useful here.
That's also why some power conditioners (or power supplies) that run a tight tolerance for neutral to ground could fail (designed for a typical unbalanced supply) as it tries to limit common mode voltage/neutral shift.
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there are 2 kinds of service, one is the balanced line, you see the drop-wires as 2 insulated and 1 bare......this type of service you can get 110volts using the bare wire and any 1 insulated wore....
the other one is the unbalnced line, here the dropwire is just 2 wires, one insulated and the other bare.....
the insulated wire is hot, the bare wire is neutral, derived from a Y 3phase of 440 volts, or from a distribution transformer with 37.5kv primary and 240volt secondary.....
the third wire is supposed to be ground wire.....
so between the hot and neutral, you are suppsed to measure the nominal 220volts....
but from ground wire to hot, you can get 240volt say, then from neutral to ground 20 volts say, so that between the hot and neutral there is 220 volts.....
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Mga DIYers,
I' thinking of making my own power cord using the plugs of sir Tamy. My question is, there is a red dot in my external power amp. In the manual it states:
"For best sonic results, correct orientation of the AC plug is important. The prong with the red dot
should be connected to the "hot" connection of your wall socket"
ano pong ibig sabihin nang "hot connection"? ito po ba yung equivalent nang green dot sa mga hospital grade plugs?
My take in building your DIY ppwercord is to use the best high purity cable with good wire mesh insulation and
connectore/plugs. This will make your project worthwhile unless you are just after the how it will look. The effect though for me normally will be system dependent. There will be a change but will depend if you consider it an improvement or not. Why not try to borrow branded powercords just to have a feel on the effect it will do to your system.
How can i determine which is the hot connection in the socket? kung nakasaksak naman yung power cord nung external power amp sa AVR, relevant pa ba itong "hot connecton"?
Marami pong salamat. :)
Thank you.
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a good read: http://www.middleatlantic.com/pdf/PowerPaper.pdf
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I humbly present my first DIY power cord:
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j464/Fernan_Dizon/08192011508.jpg)
I used an Electra power cord, wiremesh and Oyaide clone plugs c/o sir Tammy.
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I humbly present my first DIY power cord:
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j464/Fernan_Dizon/08192011508.jpg)
I used an Electra power cord, wiremesh and Oyaide clone plugs c/o sir Tammy.
Congrats sir! ganda!... :o :o :o
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Congrats sir! ganda!... :o :o :o
Thanks sir :)
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Mga braders & Guru's, Tanung lang po kung saan po ako locally makabili ng plug at quality power cables na mga ganyan for diy???
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The plugs and expandable sleeving is available at the FS - accessories section
Quality wire is a bit difficult to source locally.
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^phelps dodge royal cables are good quality if you can find them....
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The plugs and expandable sleeving is available at the FS - accessories section
Quality wire is a bit difficult to source locally.
Yup, thanks Sir qguy... I already coordinated bro Tamy. ;)
^phelps dodge royal cables are good quality if you can find them....
Sir TonyT, I think i can find that brand royal cables at Binondo area... Thanks po
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Just wanted to share here:
For Power Amps:
1. 12 gauge power cable
2. Hubble Hospital Grade IEC male plug
3. Generic IEC female plug
4. Nylon mesh (pogi points)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/pc-12-1.jpg)
closer Look
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/pc-12-2.jpg)
For Digital Componenets:
1. 14 gauge Monstercable power wire
2. Hubble Hospital Grade IEC male plug
3. Generic IEC female plug
4. Nylon mesh (pogi points)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/DIY-pwrcab.jpg)
;D
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Project Inspired by VH-Audio flavor-2 recipe:
Ingredients (too expensive to ship from outside), local source is the only option to get at least their equivalent and anything found in the yard were used to prepare and have a taste of the flavor.... :D
The Design Diagram:
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/VH-APC.jpg)
The Inspiration (VH-Audio Flavor-2):
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/flavor2.jpg)
For more specifics and infos, take a visit to this web-site:
http://www.venhaus1.com/diymains.html
My Creation (NAFA = No Artificial Flavor Added):
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/DIY-PC-1a.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/DIY-PC1b.jpg)
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/DIY/DIY-PC1c.jpg)
Difference made from original recipe; Used 2 runs of 14 gauge for hot & neutral wires, wrapped with plumber's teflon tape and water-hose tubing instead of air-hose as specified.
Thanks for looking!.. :D
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The VH Audio powercord flavor is based on the Belden 83802. If you have friends here in Singapore, it is readily available and can ask them to bring back some.
The last time i bought was at S$15/m.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSa27fyBXJqPBuxNzaV40_Vaxud5mXCXJ87DMu05Yf79voHqZcXpg)
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may tanong po ako s inyo mga sir if u may please.
meron po ako ACER 5360 PJ na ang power cord nya ay meron naka indicate na "10A 125V 1250W".
for protection purposes i bought an APC UPS but the new cord goin to the PJ has different label " 10A 250V". is it safe to use on my ACER? un size /gauge ng wire ay mukhang the same naman. PLZ HELP po.
TIA and GOD BLESS!
ref pics. ganito na ang itsura ng new cable goin to the PJ
(http://okidoqui.com/images/isimages/SY2688794.jpg)
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may tanong po ako s inyo mga sir if u may please.
meron po ako ACER 5360 PJ na ang power cord nya ay meron naka indicate na "10A 125V 1250W".
for protection purposes i bought an APC UPS but the new cord goin to the PJ has different label " 10A 250V". is it safe to use on my ACER? un size /gauge ng wire ay mukhang the same naman. PLZ HELP po.
TIA and GOD BLESS!
ref pics. ganito na ang itsura ng new cable goin to the PJ
(http://okidoqui.com/images/isimages/SY2688794.jpg)
check yung cable gauge kung pareho.
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check yung cable gauge kung pareho.
@sir audiojunkie salamat
un original power cord nang acer is 3x18AWG(0.824mm2) 300v 105`c
to be replaceb by ( APC power cord ) naka label nang 3G 0.75mm2 300/500v 75`c
eto po un mga naka engrave s wire. i hope tama un eto binigay ko na info.
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@sir audiojunkie salamat
un original power cord nang acer is 3x18AWG(0.824mm2) 300v 105`c
to be replaceb by ( APC power cord ) naka label nang 3G 0.75mm2 300/500v 75`c
eto po un mga naka engrave s wire. i hope tama un eto binigay ko na info.
based on cord specs, acer cord has bigger cross section area and heat resistance. in voltage rating both same except that 3g is up to 500v, but 300v is too much for low voltage device not to smoke... ;D
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your unit's consumption is a mere 224watts, mostly by the lamp.............
so that the power cord issue is a non-issue............look here:
http://support.acer.com/acerpanam/projector/2010/acer/H5360/H5360sp2.shtml
may tanong po ako s inyo mga sir if u may please.
meron po ako ACER 5360 PJ na ang power cord nya ay meron naka indicate na "10A 125V 1250W".
for protection purposes i bought an APC UPS but the new cord goin to the PJ has different label " 10A 250V". is it safe to use on my ACER? un size /gauge ng wire ay mukhang the same naman. PLZ HELP po.
TIA and GOD BLESS!
ref pics. ganito na ang itsura ng new cable goin to the PJ
(http://okidoqui.com/images/isimages/SY2688794.jpg)
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salamat mga sir, enjoying now my PJ :)
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had anybody compared the sonic performance of branded/expensive connectors & plugs like Furutech and Oyaide versus the good quality clones? Is there any discernible difference?
Any feedback on Sonar or Sonar Quest from ebay sellers from Hong Kong?
I want good quality and best performance, and I don't care if it is branded or not - as long as the performance is there.
Might use this with 7N Acrolink P4030II wire.
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had anybody compared the sonic performance of branded/expensive connectors & plugs like Furutech and Oyaide versus the good quality clones? Is there any discernible difference?
Any feedback on Sonar or Sonar Quest from ebay sellers from Hong Kong?
I want good quality and best performance, and I don't care if it is branded or not - as long as the performance is there.
Might use this with 7N Acrolink P4030II wire.
I had the chance to test the original oyaide and clone plugs on my system. First impression, i could not hear any difference ( maybe too small that i really need a more critical listening to be done ). You may have a better result by using better wall outlets like the oyaide R1. Tried them also and first impression was really quite good.
Just sharing my experience. I hope this helps.
Edwin
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^phelps dodge royal cables are good quality if you can find them....
i think i saw some (royal) in wilcon quezon ave. they also have shrink tubes. i think they dont sell less than 5 meters. different sizes (ga.) available.
i went there to get an adaptor for european type plugs........instead of an adaptor (140 pesos) i opted to get a rice cooker power cord (that says audio) shielded and less than 200 pesos. grey color,quality - good.
good day
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heres the brand and details
commander - reg. in japan
price 179.75 - wilcon quezon ave.
low distortion - audio video - digital
power supply cords for thermos and rice cooker(wilcon sticker).
ofc 99.996
24k gold plated
low noise - using double or triple shield,aluminum foil
foam pe insulation
and a frequency response graph....what a rice cooker power cord.
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heres the brand and details
commander - reg. in japan
price 179.75 - wilcon quezon ave.
low distortion - audio video - digital
power supply cords for thermos and rice cooker(wilcon sticker).
ofc 99.996
24k gold plated
low noise - using double or triple shield,aluminum foil
foam pe insulation
and a frequency response graph....what a rice cooker power cord.
Nice Cable... :o
that could be a great match to my Mark Levinson....
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa316/ram_on/mark_levison_toaster.jpg)
Bread Toaster.. ;D
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thanks sa mga sumagot. buti pa dito, magtanong ka, people will take the time to answer... sa kabila, I asked basically the same question, dami ng hits, pero walang sagot ???
salamat ulit.
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had anybody compared the sonic performance of branded/expensive connectors & plugs like Furutech and Oyaide versus the good quality clones? Is there any discernible difference?
Any feedback on Sonar or Sonar Quest from ebay sellers from Hong Kong?
I want good quality and best performance, and I don't care if it is branded or not - as long as the performance is there.
Might use this with 7N Acrolink P4030II wire.
try api powerlink. http://www.audiopower.com/newsite/pl311.html
i used powerlink 313 for monarchy dac and counterpoint preamp connected to power wedge.
improvement? yes............ :)
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had anybody bought any DIY parts from Aliexpress, particularly the seller called Audio Soul?
I found pairs of Acrolink carbon fiber rhodium connectors, they're discounting to $100/pair if I buy 12. I asked for referrals or actual store name to verify their identity, they stopped responding to my emails.
Aliexpress (http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/535758385-Newest-Top-Quality-Acrolink-P-50-C-50-AC-power-plug-IEC-power-Connector-leather-box-wholesalers.html)
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Where can i buy 2 pole NEMA L5 twist lock plug and receptacle...?
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Where can i buy 2 pole NEMA L5 twist lock plug and receptacle...?
I'm not sure about L5, since that's rated for low voltage applications (<=125VAC). L6 (<=250VAC) is pretty common with data center power devices like UPSes and distribution modules.
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I'm not sure about L5, since that's rated for low voltage applications (<=125VAC). L6 (<=250VAC) is pretty common with data center power devices like UPSes and distribution modules.
Correct ka master. L6 nga.
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Correct ka master. L6 nga.
Hindi ko sure kung may stock ang Avesco. Baka meron since sila ang distro ng Leviton dito. May mga UPS products din sila na ganyan ang connection eh, baka meron silang socket and plug.
L6 ba eksaktong kailangan mo, or basta locking plug? Kasi kung di naman specific basta matching outlet and prong, try mo sa mga nagbebenta ng genset. :)
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Acrolink may be too costly for power connectors here in the Philippines. Hospital grade connectors are more than enough and more practical. I would spend more on the wires. Aside from the Phelps Dodge Royal cables you may want check out the Belden SPC power cable (forgot the model) which can be ordered online. And for the Phelps Dodge Ryal Cable you can order 2 or 3 wire (even 4-wire) configuration bundled together in one insulation for a neat installation. The Royal Cable is 6N copper and UL listed. Very good quality IMO.
had anybody bought any DIY parts from Aliexpress, particularly the seller called Audio Soul?
I found pairs of Acrolink carbon fiber rhodium connectors, they're discounting to $100/pair if I buy 12. I asked for referrals or actual store name to verify their identity, they stopped responding to my emails.
Aliexpress (http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/535758385-Newest-Top-Quality-Acrolink-P-50-C-50-AC-power-plug-IEC-power-Connector-leather-box-wholesalers.html)
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Hindi ko sure kung may stock ang Avesco. Baka meron since sila ang distro ng Leviton dito. May mga UPS products din sila na ganyan ang connection eh, baka meron silang socket and plug.
L6 ba eksaktong kailangan mo, or basta locking plug? Kasi kung di naman specific basta matching outlet and prong, try mo sa mga nagbebenta ng genset. :)
Basta twist lock lang. Not necessarily L6 basta may matching outlet and always available (for maintenance). At least 15 amps. I'll try gensets. ;) Thanks master.
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Basta twist lock lang. Not necessarily L6 basta may matching outlet and always available (for maintenance). At least 15 amps. I'll try gensets. ;) Thanks master.
Deeco have this 3-prong twist standard lock with matching outlet...
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pm mo si john_johnC, Listening in Style, he will be able to help you....
had anybody bought any DIY parts from Aliexpress, particularly the seller called Audio Soul?
I found pairs of Acrolink carbon fiber rhodium connectors, they're discounting to $100/pair if I buy 12. I asked for referrals or actual store name to verify their identity, they stopped responding to my emails.
Aliexpress (http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/535758385-Newest-Top-Quality-Acrolink-P-50-C-50-AC-power-plug-IEC-power-Connector-leather-box-wholesalers.html)
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will share a DIY power cable, made of silver coated speaker wire as soon as we got hold of hospital grade plugs. >:D >:D >:D
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my diy power cable ;)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN5267_zps9e36f055.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN5267_zps9e36f055.jpg.html)
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The best price/performance ratio for a diy powercord project. Not sure if availalble ito dyan sa Pinas but if not, you could source it maybe somewhere. This cable is bing sold per meter.
Acrolink P2030
(http://www.acrolink.jp/products/images/7ncable/p4020_3.jpg)
http://www.acrolink.jp/products/7n_p4020_3.html
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Just want to share my DIY Power cord
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8503/8321177407_967ee8ee1d.jpg)
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this is my latest DIY power cable...
power cord from ROKS in Raon, 3 core x AWG#14 cores purchased for 85 pesos..
then group buy over at elab.ph, for the OYAIDE Elec. male plugs and EIC plug at 241 pesos a pair...
ferrite tube heatshrinked over... 8)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_3909cable_zps417db005.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_3909cable_zps417db005.jpg.html)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_3912cable_zps84e5f042.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_3912cable_zps84e5f042.jpg.html)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_3911cable_zps04901f89.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_3911cable_zps04901f89.jpg.html)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_3913cable_zps7e59f0a6.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_3913cable_zps7e59f0a6.jpg.html)
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this is my latest DIY power cable...
power cord from ROKS in Raon, 3 core x AWG#13 cores purchased for 85 pesos..
then group buy over at elab.ph, for the OYAIDE Elec. male plugs and EIC plug at 241 pesos a pair...
ferrite tube heatshrinked over... 8)
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murang mura ah sir tony :D
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benefit yan ng group buy, mas makakamura kung sama-sama, kapit bisig..... :D
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pumapayat yata power cords as this thread gets older...
let's bring it back to its former glory!
(http://www.stereotimes.com/images/powercable.gif)
(http://dagogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/Magnan-4.jpg)
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this is my latest DIY power cable...
power cord from ROKS in Raon, 3 core x AWG#14 cores purchased for 85 pesos..
then group buy over at elab.ph, for the OYAIDE Elec. male plugs and EIC plug at 241 pesos a pair...
ferrite tube heatshrinked over... 8)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_3909cable_zps417db005.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_3909cable_zps417db005.jpg.html)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_3912cable_zps84e5f042.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_3912cable_zps84e5f042.jpg.html)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_3911cable_zps04901f89.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_3911cable_zps04901f89.jpg.html)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_3913cable_zps7e59f0a6.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_3913cable_zps7e59f0a6.jpg.html)
nice looking kit... Does it bring any improvement?
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nice looking kit... Does it bring any improvement?
yes.....:D
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yes.....:D
Good... ;D
Aesthetic? Sonic improvement/change? Psychological or otherwise? ^-^
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Spiritual.
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Power cable is part of the system...You don't want to have a weak link right? Kaya ako uminom na ako ng cool ade para I-embrace na ang effect ng power cord... ;D ;D ;D
Nice PC @ ATJr. & markcrenz ...parang power snake.. >:D
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i got my OYAIDE Electric plugs from a groupbuy at elab.ph, there is a member here, alienbelt whome you can ask if you want a pair or two.......http://www.elab.ph/forum/index.php?topic=41641.0
the one i got was a clear one, it is also the cheapest, the blue colored costs twice more, gold plated 3 x more...
(http://www.1diycentre.com/ACPowerfilter_Audio.jpg)
(http://www.1diycentre.com/auidophile_order.jpg)
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Good... ;D
Aesthetic? Sonic improvement/change? Psychological or otherwise? ^-^
you know me naman, i share my DIY to show what is available where, what is does to your system is up to you...
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you know me naman, i share my DIY to show what is available where, what is does to your system is up to you...
I was just hoping you had a change of heart... Or perspective after trying them out. ^-^
Cheers
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Question mga brader, musta ang improvement nito sa music or movies?
daming comment sa speaker wire na pang sales lang daw yun mga brand at ang difference ay konting lang daw.
Pero ako mismo nakabili ng 6N copper speaker wire, wow iba ang dating improvement system ko ng 70% from gain and dynamics.
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in that case i am happy for you.....:D
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I am happy for the vendor.
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I am happy! ;D ;D ;D
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gusto ko happy ka.....:D
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Spiritual.
I am happy for the vendor.
Spiritual happiness.
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everybody happy....
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Dumb question: Pwede ba to sa PSU ng mga PC? And what can the merits possibly be?
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Dumb question: Pwede ba to sa PSU ng mga PC? And what can the merits possibly be?
Pwede naman kung pwede. Benefits? It's possible na meron, but also pwedeng ala din. Others say meron. There's no harm in trying lalo na kung mga murang wires lang naman ang gagamitin mo.
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aba e para ka na ring nag-overclock ng cpu.....:D
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Dumb question: Pwede ba to sa PSU ng mga PC? And what can the merits possibly be?
aba e dyan nga natunugan ng mga audiophile yung power cable......:D
dati naman directa nakakabit yung power cord sa audio gears....
kahit yung mga high end na ONKYO gamit ang dinky cord....
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Dumb question: Pwede ba to sa PSU ng mga PC? And what can the merits possibly be?
merits?
faster processor 36%
enhanced gpu 14%
fan noise down to zero
temp drop by 6.3 Celciuz
case attracts less dust
speling cheque works beeter
ozone partially repaired
i beccame 60% more enteligents
i'm happy! ;D ;D ;D
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merits?
faster processor 36%
enhanced gpu 14%
fan noise down to zero
temp drop by 6.3 Celciuz
case attracts less dust
speling cheque works beeter
ozone partially repaired
i beccame 60% more enteligents
i'm happy! ;D ;D ;D
Not to mention, 3D images front movies played via PC hitting you and giving you bukels on your forehead. Faster booting. Kaka-play mo lang ng ng movie, tapos na agad.
Hoy! Serious ang nagtatanong!
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yes meron talaga, kahit yun anak at biyenan ko napansin agad ang pagbabago... isang malaking smile... :)
pero dito pa sa pag upgrade ng power cord ano effect? sa mga nakaranas, ano napansin nyo?
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Hahaha! Unfortunately noob pa ako sa home audio. Be gentle! Lol!
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like all things audiophile, this cable debate has nothing to do with cables....
logic has nothing to do with it...
for example, i have a power amp that draws 1 ampere from
the wall, then what for do i need a power cable that can carry
14 amperes? an yet i use a gage 14 power chord, so what does that make me?
answer: AUDIOPHILE....
it is all about personal well being, the sense of beauty desired....
if you are happy with what you have and what you are doing,
then that is it....
kaya nga if you are happy with your cables, then i am happy for you...
aba eh sino ba naman ang hindi matutuwa sa mga pundar mo na mga
magagandang bagay na nakakapagdulot ng walang katumbas na kasiyahan?
parang pag-aasawa yan, kahit pa hindi pang miss universe ang misis,
sya pa rin ang pinakamaganda sa paningin mo....:D
sino ako para sabihin na mali ka,
at sino naman ikaw para sabihin mo na mali ako?
trip trip lang yan....walang basagan ng trip..... >:D
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Not to mention, 3D images front movies played via PC hitting you and giving you bukels on your forehead. Faster booting. Kaka-play mo lang ng ng movie, tapos na agad.
Hoy! Serious ang nagtatanong!
another answer:
cosmetic improvement 100%
performance improvement 0 to 1M% depending on quantity and flavor of kool aid drank by the user.
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There are two power cable for sale sa Ace hardware for php79.00 and php120+(White). Cheap enough to try for those who comment without trying... Suggest they try it para medyo meaningful ang replies. Marami kasi comment ng comment di pa pala nakakasubok.
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sonny na-try mo na yung surplus 14awg iec cords sa raon? lapit ka lang naman try mo, they peddle it at 150-200 sa sidewalks. very good to pit against those kilobuck power cords in a blind test.
vs ordinary 18awg that comes free with the equipment, may improvement talaga. usually kasi yung free cords actually have 22awg, sometimes smaller, wires inside. yung surplus 14awg sa raon talagang 14awg ang laman. twice as thick as generic undersized 14awg speaker wires!
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ordinary 18awg that comes free with the equipment,
naku be very carefull din, some power cords that comes with pc pheripherals
sometime comes with small cores, be warry of power cords without label
on the cable body or outer sheat identifying the maker and wire size,
0.75 mm or gage 20 if really built to standard are capable...kung hindi fake or undersized...
nadala na rin ako numile sa bangketa sa raon ng power cords.....
the reason some power cords get a bad rap is because of
some unscrupulous vendors selling fakes....
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May naka usap kasi ako sa Dusit, isa sa mga nag bebenta ng plaka dun, katabi ni Raffy, set up nya Creek Rev, TT Kenwood at Epic 2. napansin ko yun power cord nya grabe ka-bilog ang kapal, sabi ko "may effect pa yun cord or plain porma lang?", he reply na "oo" then explain.
Also yun isang link dito na "wirebuster", its like saying na basta mabigat sure na may pagbabago, ex na lang talaga sa nabili kong speaker wire. Oo nga pala dun sa naka try paki share naman experience.
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ok back on topic, last time i checked, this thread is DIY Power cord....so round 2....
i got 2 pairs of OYAIDE plugs...
the 3 core gage 16 power cord is from ROKS, they sell surplus stuff,
and are pretty much to specs...this one costs 85bucks,
but you can also get one at Liongco for 95 bucks, it is is gage #14 guaranteed.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/diy%20interconnect/IMG_3988_zps0ece9d90.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/diy%20interconnect/IMG_3988_zps0ece9d90.jpg.html)
you will realize why i chose the transparent shell plugs,
i am incorporating a neon lamp to indicate power, it lights up when plugged in..
the power cord has an electrostatic sheild as evidenced by a bare lead wire,
this wire will be twisted with the green earthing wire and will be terminated at the plug end
and left floating at the EIC end....both sides are fitted with neon indicators..
to facilitate termination of wires, i used a suitable ferrule to insert the core
of the cable to prevent fraying of the cores when terminating...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/diy%20interconnect/IMG_3990_zpsf43249c6.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/diy%20interconnect/IMG_3990_zpsf43249c6.jpg.html)
ferules installed and prepped..
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/diy%20interconnect/IMG_3994_zpsa178c36a.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/diy%20interconnect/IMG_3994_zpsa178c36a.jpg.html)
plug end finished..
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/diy%20interconnect/IMG_3998_zps92952c0f.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/diy%20interconnect/IMG_3998_zps92952c0f.jpg.html)
ferrite tube heat shrinked...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/diy%20interconnect/IMG_4001_zpsb5202cf6.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/diy%20interconnect/IMG_4001_zpsb5202cf6.jpg.html)
both sides done...the lame glow in the dark will be nice to look at at night...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/diy%20interconnect/IMG_4002_zpsb0e44c25.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/diy%20interconnect/IMG_4002_zpsb0e44c25.jpg.html)
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master maganda siguro pic nyan sa dilim, katabi ng tube amp mo.
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master maganda siguro pic nyan sa dilim, katabi ng tube amp mo.
nadale mo....tha'ts the idea....:D
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saan kaya kami makakabili nyan plug??? hehehe
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saan kaya kami makakabili nyan plug??? hehehe
zhenzen, china.....i participated in a group buy over at elab.ph, 1diymarket, caters to diy'ers and students of electronics, nakisabay lang ako...they are very accommodating....kung hindi naman comercial quantities pwede siguro....
hot tip, edrel sison also brought in Hubbell from HongKong, not sure if he is selling them, Hubbels are more pricey than OYAIDE...pm him na lang.....
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meron na pala dito.....http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,185616.0/topicseen.html
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meron na pala dito.....http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,185616.0/topicseen.html
Copy lang yun kanya. I think yun sa iyo, orig?
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^no idea about copy or orig, everything is made in china nowadays,
you never can tell as even the Japs go to china because of very cheap labor...
the plugs looks and feel like the real thing, wala akong masabi sa quality...
there are three price grades for these OYAIDE plugs, i got the cheapest one..
vhinx will come to house and we can compare, but i do not expect any difference at all.
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sonny na-try mo na yung surplus 14awg iec cords sa raon? lapit ka lang naman try mo, they peddle it at 150-200 sa sidewalks. very good to pit against those kilobuck power cords in a blind test.
vs ordinary 18awg that comes free with the equipment, may improvement talaga. usually kasi yung free cords actually have 22awg, sometimes smaller, wires inside. yung surplus 14awg sa raon talagang 14awg ang laman. twice as thick as generic undersized 14awg speaker wires!
So you mean power cords however the price can improve or change the sonic quality of certain gears right? I take you just don't want the kilobuck ones.... Right?
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bottomline, get the right power cord for the job.....
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So you mean power cords however the price can improve or change the sonic quality of certain gears right? I take you just don't want the kilobuck ones.... Right?
I mentioned improvement in terms of safety and reliability. A short piece of "phat wire" connected in series with a considerable length of ordinary wire will not improve the system in any way.
Picture it this way:
Napocor power plant as voltage source. Your amplifier as load.
The AC signal passes through different long wires and other stuff between voltage source and your wall outlet. Then the "Phat wire" to finally connect to your amp, the load.
Will it sound better? I see no sensible reason why it would.
Will it look better than ordinary wires? DEFINITELY!
BTW any AC-powered audio equipment has a PSU that will step down, rectify and filter ALL that AC to DC before using it in the circuits. Better-built units will have AC filters, the same stuff you find inside AC Line Conditioners.
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^hehe, i thought you went over to the other side....:D
religious topics are hard....but here is an interesting read....http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts/22433-can-power-cord-affect-sound-quality.html
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May naka usap kasi ako sa Dusit, isa sa mga nag bebenta ng plaka dun, katabi ni Raffy, set up nya Creek Rev, TT Kenwood at Epic 2. napansin ko yun power cord nya grabe ka-bilog ang kapal, sabi ko "may effect pa yun cord or plain porma lang?", he reply na "oo" then explain.
Also yun isang link dito na "wirebuster", its like saying na basta mabigat sure na may pagbabago, ex na lang talaga sa nabili kong speaker wire. Oo nga pala dun sa naka try paki share naman experience.
You actually talked to carlos888/caloy. He is the official distributor of those products in PH
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I mentioned improvement in terms of safety and reliability. A short piece of "phat wire" connected in series with a considerable length of ordinary wire will not improve the system in any way.
Picture it this way:
Napocor power plant as voltage source. Your amplifier as load.
The AC signal passes through different long wires and other stuff between voltage source and your wall outlet. Then the "Phat wire" to finally connect to your amp, the load.
Will it sound better? I see no sensible reason why it would.
Will it look better than ordinary wires? DEFINITELY!
BTW any AC-powered audio equipment has a PSU that will step down, rectify and filter ALL that AC to DC before using it in the circuits. Better-built units will have AC filters, the same stuff you find inside AC Line Conditioners.
So technically you are advising others to try another wire that would be safer than the designer already considered safe, tama ba? (Raon wire)
Look better? Pareho lang itsura nun di ba?
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So technically you are advising others to try another wire that would be safer than the designer already considered safe, tama ba? (Raon wire)
Look better? Pareho lang itsura nun di ba?
In this particular thread, I'm not giving, nor have given, any advise. Just sharing what I know. Bear in mind that there are documented cases of stock cords burning up.
A thick DIY power cord with hubell or oyaide plugs will look better than ordinary IEC cords. I didn't think I have to point that out pa when I said it would look better. Heck I even thought of not replying to that post. The way I see it, you're nitpicking on my reply. Tama ba? Right?
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In this particular thread, I'm not giving, nor have given, any advise. Just sharing what I know. Bear in mind that there are documented cases of stock cords burning up.
A thick DIY power cord with hubell or oyaide plugs will look better than ordinary IEC cords. I didn't think I have to point that out pa when I said it would look better. Heck I even thought of not replying to that post. The way I see it, you're nitpicking on my reply. Tama ba? Right?
Nope, why should I nitpick your reply brader. I just wonder what difference aesthetically between a stock 14 and 18 gauge raon wire (they look almost identical). It seems kasi people who appreciate a good power cables either have too much money to burn for no reason or are just stupid bec they think it sounds better bec of its appearance. Tama ba?
Somehow kasi I find it kinda insulting when people dismiss what we hear in our system due to tweaks like power cables saying that they look pretty enough for us not to know the difference. We do hear a difference even if you don't.
I am not telling you to use better or different power cables, but please do not tell us we can't tell the difference in sq and that people who buy power cables (esp. the kilobuck ones) are affected by the appearance enough to claim sonic changes. Kasi when you post a blanket statement as such, it would be like saying.... Those who don't want to spend or have nothing to spend will always hear sonic no difference in power cables. It just isn't nice.
If you do not hear or find any sonic benefits in better power cables, good for you and I am truly happy for you because you need not spend extra to enjoy. I respect that, please respect our opinion as well and stop calling us what we are not.
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You actually talked to carlos888/caloy. He is the official distributor of those products in PH
Salamat... oo Caloy pala... kaya pala dami nya alam sa Epos...
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That you seriously believe hearing a difference would be the end of my argument. :-X
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That you seriously believe hearing a difference would be the end of my argument. :-X
if someone claims to hear difference with power cords, then i believe him, i have no reason not to....:D
but to say i should hear a differnce too, aba eh ibang usapan na yon.... >:D
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the power cord is the least of my worries. personally, i just use whatever power cord is supplied by the manufacturer of the equipment. this power cables are lab tested (e.g UL, ETL) anyway to handle the job safely and according to spec.
will i hear a sonic difference if i buy a more expensive power cable? i don't think so. but if you say so otherwise, i will not argue with you. let's just agree to disagree. :)
As long as the power cord isn't oversized or undersized for the application, I've yet to find an EMC or radio engineer who thinks it would make any difference at all. Power is power, as long as you're sending a clean signal with no DC at the nominal voltage with minimal fluctuation that whatever you're powering needs.
Power cables don't make oscilloscopes, signal generators, or spectrum analyzers in the lab measure or output any differently; how they'd have any effect whatsoever on a music signal borders on outright black magic.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/555725/dont-get-why-audiophile-power-cable-would-improve-sound-quality (http://www.head-fi.org/t/555725/dont-get-why-audiophile-power-cable-would-improve-sound-quality)
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actually may subject ako nito way back may college days, parang Instrumentation yata, pagsusukat ng kung ano ano na hindi kaya makita o marinig. Oscilloscope, pero alat naman ako dun, puro "Sine" at "0 and 1".
Meaning hindi ako pwede gumawa basta basta baka ma overpower or underpower ang Amp or kung anong load?
let say bili lang ako ng x6 na 14g (3 core), then parallel ko sila tig x3. delikado ba?
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actually may subject ako nito way back may college days, parang Instrumentation yata, pagsusukat ng kung ano ano na hindi kaya makita o marinig. Oscilloscope, pero alat naman ako dun, puro "Sine" at "0 and 1".
Meaning hindi ako pwede gumawa basta basta baka ma overpower or underpower ang Amp or kung anong load?
let say bili lang ako ng x6 na 14g (3 core), then parallel ko sila tig x3. delikado ba?
Over and under power?
Im no electrical or electronics guy (I have a medical background), but the wires or cables are passive devices right? I mean ung transformer ng amp ang nag draw ng kuryente, and ung source in this case is ung outlet. The cable is a mere bridge.
Like a hose connected sa gripo.
The hose does not dictate if over or under sa lakas ung tubig. However - the nozzle does control if high current (high pressure) or high volume ung labas ng tubig. hehehe
So, di ba dapat ndi sia makaka affect sa over or under power delivery?
Effect on sq though - I have no idea if me impact. I would like to try out someday if merun (if me mahiraman). :)
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Over and under power?
Im no electrical or electronics guy (I have a medical background), but the wires or cables are passive devices right? I mean ung transformer ng amp ang nag draw ng kuryente, and ung source in this case is ung outlet. The cable is a mere bridge.
Like a hose connected sa gripo.
The hose does not dictate if over or under sa lakas ung tubig. However - the nozzle does control if high current (high pressure) or high volume ung labas ng tubig. hehehe
So, di ba dapat ndi sia makaka affect sa over or under power delivery?
Effect on sq though - I have no idea if me impact. I would like to try out someday if merun (if me mahiraman). :)
hindi ko rin po alam, pero kakabasa ayan naguluhan na ako. ang nasa isip ko parang mag x6 yun pasok ng kuryenta sa Load dahil x6 yun wire... tama ba yun? then tamang tirintas daw for the effect of eletromagneticsuperpop. then ayun mas bibilis ang daloy ng current then mas ma boost ang working capacity ng amp, parang OverClocking... hayy I need to try talaga...
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hindi ko rin po alam, pero kakabasa ayan naguluhan na ako. ang nasa isip ko parang mag x6 yun pasok ng kuryenta sa Load dahil x6 yun wire... tama ba yun? then tamang tirintas daw for the effect of eletromagneticsuperpop. then ayun mas bibilis ang daloy ng current then mas ma boost ang working capacity ng amp, parang OverClocking... hayy I need to try talaga...
hehehe ;D My apologies if I only caused more confusion.
Honestly, I have no idea if me effect sia. I have never tried it - but I would love to if given the chance :)
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hehehe ;D My apologies if I only caused more confusion.
Honestly, I have no idea if me effect sia. I have never tried it - but I would love to if given the chance :)
no apologies brader, tara try na lang natin para makasabay sa mga naka try na... :)
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I have a power cable you can try pero subukan ko kunin muna kung di ginagamit....
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I have a power cable you can try pero subukan ko kunin muna kung di ginagamit....
AYOS :D
Sige, pero ang magiging comparison ko lang sa kania is the stock power cord that came with my tube amp.
If ever i find something, or hear something different - I will definitely replace my power cords. hehehe
Thanks sir for the offer :)
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I have a power cable you can try pero subukan ko kunin muna kung di ginagamit....
sige ba... :)
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Locations nyo braders? Closest to my location could be first.
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Locations nyo braders? Closest to my location could be first.
Dito lang ako sa Paco Manila sir. :)
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Dito lang ako sa Paco Manila sir. :)
Sus, tatawid ka lang nandun na... Sige una ka na. Sabihan kita kung sakali di na ginagamit yung power cable.
Cheers
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Sus, tatawid ka lang nandun na... Sige una ka na. Sabihan kita kung sakali di na ginagamit yung power cable.
Cheers
Yahoooooooo!!!! :D
Mlapit lang ako sa Pius sir :)
Thanks so much sir
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Yahoooooooo!!!! :D
Mlapit lang ako sa Pius sir :)
Thanks so much sir
Pwede mo nang lakarin papunta sa shop ko. Nasa quirino extension lang malapit sa servitek...
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Pwede mo nang lakarin papunta sa shop ko. Nasa quirino extension lang malapit sa servitek...
hehehe.. Pwede nga. :D
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Just saw this sa net - I guess I was wrong in comparing the Power cable sa garden hose hehe
Why Power Cables Make a Difference
Every audiophile who has experimented with better power cables has heard the performance advantage they offer. Indeed, the amount of improvement can be astounding, often transforming a system from good to amazing. As audiophiles, we trust our ears but it’s hard to understand how replacing just one short link in a long chain of the power delivery system can have such a dramatic impact. The following article is intended to answer those questions.
Shunyata Research has become a dominant force in the power delivery field. Owner and designer, Caelin Gabriel is clearly one of the luminaries in the industry. His products have, in many ways, changed the way people think about power cables and raised the bar of performance. Shunyata cables have established themselves among audiophiles and industry professionals as state of the art. The list of manufacturers and professionals that use Shunyata cables is impressive, including the likes of Sony Music New York, Sony Music Japan, Vienna Philharmonic, Sky Walker Studios, Crest National Studios, Astoria Studios, Audio Research, Wilson Audio, BAT, Meridian, VTL, Bel Canto, Halcro, to name just a few.
To follow is a response from Mr. Gabriel that appeared in an on line forum addressing question why power can be such an influential addition to a system.
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Introduction: “There are a lot of misconceptions about power transmission and power quality that make it difficult for some people to understand why a power cord makes a sonic difference. The first question is – do power cords make any difference at all? There is no sense in talking about theories of operation if we can't agree that there is an audible effect. Most of the thousands of people that use our power cords started out as skeptics and have answered that question for themselves and have found that power cables a power conditioners can have a profound impact on performance. And no - I do not care to debate with people that have not done the simplest of tests about whether power cords work or not. The only cases where a high quality cord does not have significant effects is when it is used with a poor quality power conditioner that acts as a high impedance to instantaneous current flow. “
Misconception #1: AC Power is like water coming from a large power tank, flowing through several 10s of feet of power hose into a component. This implies that the component is at the end of this system.
Answer: “Actually, the component sits between two power conductors: the hot and the neutral. AC power oscillates (alternates) back and forth at a 50-60 Hz rate. So power does not pour into the component at all. The component's power supply is within a complex network of wires and connectors. ALL of the wire and connectors can and do affect the performance of the component's power supply.”
Misconception #2: AC power can be contaminated just like water in a hose. This implies that once the water is contaminated at some point up stream, that is must be cleansed before it arrives at the audio component.
Answer: “As stated in #1, the component is not at the end of the power hose. It is between two power hoses and the current is oscillating back and forth. Further, current is not like water at all. Electrons cannot be contaminated. There are two aspects to power transmission: the electromagnetic wave and the current flow. The current itself cannot be contaminated but the electromagnetic wave can be modulated with other frequencies. We usually call these other frequencies noise or Electromagnetic Interference (EMI). Within the various parts of a power circuit there may be EMI in certain parts that is not present in others. Electromagnetic energy can be transformed or redirected to lessen their effects.
Some power cords use capacitors, inductors, or ferrites in an attempt to control the electromagnetic fields around the audio component. The success of such an approach is completely dependent upon the specific design and the reactance of the power supply of the component to which the power cable is attached.”
Misconception #3: There is up to a hundred feet of wire in the walls, so the last 6 feet of power cord can't possibly make any difference.
Answer: “The power cord is not the last 6 feet, it is the first 6 feet from the perspective of the component. As stated in #1 the local current and electromagnetic effects directly affect the sonic performance of the component.”
Misconception #4: There is a tremendous amount of electrical interference and EMI coming from outside the home that we need to protect our equipment from. This implies that we need some sort of power conditioner or filter to protect the equipment.
Answer: “Most of the EMI that affects the audio quality of a system is generated by the audio components themselves. Electromagnetic waves that traveling through space dissipate in power at the square of the distance from the source. Further, very high frequencies that propagate through the power circuit do not survive for long. Power lines present a high impedance to MHz and GHz signals due to the relatively high inductance of power lines.
A primary source of audible sonic degradation is caused by the power supplies in our audio/video components. Most components use FWBR (full wave bridge rectifier) power supplies that generate an incredible amount of transient noise when the rectifiers switch off. The design of a power cable can significantly affect the reactance of these signals within the power supply. The power cable is effectively part of the primary winding of the power transformer. The transition between the various metals used in a power cable and it's connectors can cause electromagnetic reflections and diode-like rectification of the noise impulses as they propagate away from the power supply. If the power cable presents a high impedance to these signals they will be reflected back into the power supply where they will intermodulate, thus increasing the high frequency noise levels of the component. Most power supply filters are ineffective at blocking very high frequency noise components and much of it is passed through to the DC rails. The sonic effects of this include: high background noise levels, blurred or slurred transients and a general lack of clarity and purity of the sound or visual image.”
Misconception #5: There is some sort of conspiracy among audio designers that keeps them from producing a "proper" power supply that is not affect by power cable quality.
Answer: “This concept is like saying that if a speaker where properly designed, you wouldn't need to use a good quality speaker cable. PowerSnakes have been tested with the most modest of mid-fi equipment and the most exotic state of the art components. We have yet to find a component that cannot be improved by replacing the power cord.
As long as power supply design is based upon FWBRs or switching supplies, the power cord will always be significant.”
Misconception #6: High-end power cords just increase the circuit capacitance acting as a high-frequency shunt
Answer: “There are some power cords that ARE designed this way. Some even insert capacitors within the cable to further increase capacitance. This approach has some positives and many negatives including the reactive interference with the way many power supplies are designed.
Capacitance alone cannot account for the differences in a power cord's performance. There are some high-end power cords that are very effective that have virtually immeasurable levels of capacitance. These cables are usually designed around hollow tubes with the conductors inside. The conductors are several inches apart and cannot significantly affect the capacitance of the power circuit.”
Misconception #7: Power cords are just like speaker cables; always the shorter the cable the better.
Answer: “Some speaker cable designers would argue that a speaker cable below a certain length is not better. We will let them address the issue if they desire.
A speaker cable conducts an audio signal from the power amplifier to the speaker. The distance is quite small, on the order of a couple of feet to several feet. The quality of a speaker cable is determined by how well it can transmit the signal from the amplifier to the speaker without alteration.
A power cable on the other hand is not transmitting a signal. It is conducting A.C. power and its sonic superiority will be determined by its ability to deliver current (steady-state and instantaneous) and its ability to deal with the EMI effects of the components to which it is attached.
Since a power cord is composed of a hot and neutral wire that the component sits between, a change in the length of the cord will increase the size of the "buffer" around the component. In general, I would not recommend a power cord that is shorter than 3 feet or 1 meter in length. But subtle degrees of audio performance are not the only consideration when putting together an audio system. Esthetics is also important especially when the system is located in a beautiful home. I just point out the performance differences so that people can make an informed decision when determining the optimum length for their cables.
There is much more that can be discussed about power delivery but for the sake of brevity I'll cut it short at this point. On a personal note I would like to say that I was an audiophile long before I was a manufacturer of audio products. Before Shunyata Research I designed high speed networking devices and can tell you that there is a lot more money to be made in the computer industry. Like many of the manufacturers of high-end audio components, I design my products for myself and for the love of music. If other people like what I have created - great. If after trying our product you prefer another - great. There is a wide diversity of preference and subjective perception among individuals. Thank goodness there is also a wide diversity of manufacturers that create products to serve a variety of tastes.”
Caelin Gabriel
Shunyata Research Inc.
Addendum:
“Before we produced our first power cord, we did extensive testing of the audible effects of a variety of devices and materials associated with power transmission. We created many jigs and test apparatus that allowed us to test wire types, dielectric materials, connector contacts, dampening materials and a variety of transformers, chokes, coils, ferrites, capacitors, triacs and diacs. After 3 years of testing, we concluded that just about anything and everything that is inserted in or around the electromagnetic field of a power circuit has an audible effect. Some of the effects are quite small and are relatively insignificant. Others are dramatically profound and sometimes surprising in their behavior. Obviously we are not going to "give away the farm" and discuss all of our findings, but there are some very basic observations that I can share with you.
First would be that wire type and size in a power cord is highly overrated. Every wire type (I am talking about the metal itself) has a specific sonic characteristic. Silver, copper, brass, gold and others all "sound" different. The difference in sound is not related to conductivity capacity because we adjusted the sizes during testing to account for this. Each of the metal's inherent "sonics" can be ameliorated by careful adjustment of the other materials used in the construction of the final cable. We have a warehouse full of various prototype cables that never made it to production. Some of these use a relatively small wire size of ~18ga, that sounds surprising full in the bass. Intuitively, you might think that a small wire would sound thin in the bass region. This is not always the case. Conversely, we have some cables with wire as large as 1gauge that sound powerful in the bass but are also flabby and irregular sounding. So, just increasing the wire size is not the easy answer that some might think.
Most of what I have to say here are my "conclusions" based upon observation through trial and error testing. Furthermore, there are no perfect components and there are no perfect parts. Everything is relative and the designer must weigh the sonic value of each part when designing a product. Our philosophy is to create a product that is a faithful musical component as opposed to striving for excellence in any single performance area.
Our tests with coils and chokes indicate that (in general, with exceptions) that any coil or choke that is placed in-line with the power circuit is harmful to dynamics. Many of them will also induce a subtle smearing or blurring of transients. This is naturally dependent upon the power supply design of the unit that the coil is used with. Coils and chokes are necessary in most components and I prefer "single layer wound" types such as the foil designs. Cost of production will always mitigate against the use of these types of coils due to the expense. We definitely do not believe in placing coils or capacitors within a power cable. These devices belong in the component or in a dedicated power conditioner.
Many components use a power inlet IEC that has an integrated "L" or "pi" filter. The quality of these devices varies dramatically. Generally speaking, the more capacitors and inductors that you have in a circuit, the more complex the dynamic interactions will be between the devices. This will also make the component they are used in more reactive and the possibility of negative sonic effects increase. Multiple filter networks can resonate and generate unintended results that have subtle but audible ringing / pinging sounds. Many of these IEC packages were created for office and computer products and are required to pass certification tests for EMI emissions. All I can say is that what is good for a fax machine is not necessarily good for a pre-amplifier.
Shielding can be a two-edged sword. On one hand, it can reduce radiated fields from impacting other components. On the other hand, the shielding may induce re-radiated fields onto the cable or component that it is being used in. Sometimes the cure may be worse than the illness. As always - you must know your materials and tools and apply intelligence with a small dose of intuition to create a world class product. There is no silver bullet and there is no rote formula that works in all cases. There is just hard work, occasional inspiration and lots of testing.”
Caelin Gabriel
Shunyata Research Inc.
http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/powercords.html
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misconception #00...
“There are a lot of misconceptions about power transmission and power quality that make it difficult for some people to understand why a power cord makes a sonic difference. The first question is – do power cords make any difference at all? There is no sense in talking about theories of operation if we can't agree that there is an audible effect. Most of the thousands of people that use our power cords started out as skeptics and have answered that question for themselves and have found that power cables a power conditioners can have a profound impact on performance. And no - I do not care to debate with people that have not done the simplest of tests about whether power cords work or not. The only cases where a high quality cord does not have significant effects is when it is used with a poor quality power conditioner that acts as a high impedance to instantaneous current flow. “
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Hope matapos ko this week :D
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hehehe.. Pwede nga. :D
Brader balitaan mo ako dyan... :)
naku muntinlupa ako brader, sayang ang layo ko.
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hehehe.. Pwede nga. :D
Just got word, will pit it against another power cord this weekend. It might be available for you to test next week. Balitaan kita.
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Just got word, will pit it against another power cord this weekend. It might be available for you to test next week. Balitaan kita.
sige sir. TY
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Just got word, will pit it against another power cord this weekend.
Are you planning to do a legit blind test? I hope you get better results than these:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-article-blind-test-power-cords-12-2004.html
http://www.hifiwigwam.com/showthread.php?654-The-Great-Cable-Debate&highlight=blind+test
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Are you planning to do a legit blind test? I hope you get better results than these:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-article-blind-test-power-cords-12-2004.html
http://www.hifiwigwam.com/showthread.php?654-The-Great-Cable-Debate&highlight=blind+test
It is very hard to get several people to do blind test, best are those who know the system well. Changes often are not day and night but it is there (most of the time). I remember when I was buying my speaker and the showroom had two other models for sale. A harbeth p3esr and a p3es2... I was with my wife's cousin and when we listened to both, it was obvious to me and the seller the difference in sound (very open and smoother), the cousin heard it very much the same. I don't think naman you have to have a golden ear, but if you train your ears to hear the details the difference can be heard.
Cables and wires will not change the overall system as much as a new component, but they do help getting more out of what is already available.
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Are you planning to do a legit blind test? I hope you get better results than these:
http://www.hifiwigwam.com/showthread.php?654-The-Great-Cable-Debate&highlight=blind+test
Have read part of that thread. Although a lot could not tell which the kettle cable was, it was obvious they could tell differences in the power cables. Choosing what sounds well in a system due to power cables is one thing, if you get to choose the kettle cable to sound better then you have a winner. Lets hope they don't choose the expensive ones ^-^
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royal cord made in ph, nylon sleeves, ferrite core and hubbell plugs
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ganda...! 8) Congrats.. :)
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hehehe.. Pwede nga. :D
Brader, pwede mo nang daanan yung power cable for testing mo. Pm mo na lang ako contact details tapos pm kita pick up place....
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ganda...! 8) Congrats.. :)
thanks!
ferrite core => narayan
nylon sleeves => st_anger
royal cord gauge 12=>avail @any local hardware
plug => extra ni doc ric
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Brader, pwede mo nang daanan yung power cable for testing mo. Pm mo na lang ako contact details tapos pm kita pick up place....
Sige sir, if pwede sana next weekend.
Thanks sir.
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Sige sir, if pwede sana next weekend.
Thanks sir.
Sige, will lend it muna to another friend instead. Hope he returns it next week....
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Sige, will lend it muna to another friend instead. Hope he returns it next week....
oki doki! thanks again sir :)
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snake ;)
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^looking better....madali lang no? :D
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yes master madali lang gawin :)
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Sana meron din improvements in sonics para mas ok....
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Busy Sunday ;D
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2-Gang Panasonic Outlet, Stainless Outlet Box, Ferrite Ring, Hubbel Male Plug
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Well Shin Cable, APSA Female Plug, Hubble Male Plug
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Well Shin Cable,Hubble Plugs
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Well Shin Cable,Oyaide Plugs (Lighten by Neon Lamp)
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Oyaide Power Cord in Action..
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Kulang pa ng Ferrite Core ;D
next sunday ulit...
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Mas mataba na Well Shin Cord size 10"
Thanks to:
Sir Obet (Narayan) - Hubble Female Plug
Sir JojoD & Master Tony - helping me for neon lights
Brader Jun (Remington) - Idea etc...
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Terminating and for delivery in the middle east for a fellow pinoydvd member.
These are using Acrolink 7N-P4020III and 7N-P4030II cables and terminated with Oyaide plugs (imitation). The cables are 99.99999% copper. The Acrolink for me is the best bang for the buck cable for power cord.
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another seller here.....prices are even lower than at TPC......order na....http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,186311.0/topicseen.html
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another seller here.....prices are even lower than at TPC......order na....http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,186311.0/topicseen.html
nice. try ko yung color green na Oyaide meron kase sa deeco na green neon lamp.
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All Done:
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NICE!
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http://singaporehifi.blogspot.sg/2011/05/acrolink-power-cords-relook-into.html
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NICE!
Thanks Jen!
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ganda...! 8) Congrats.. :) thanks!
another diy..
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cable given to me by kenchn.. male apc and female plug were attched.
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Already test the power cable aftermarket thing... and yes meron nga improvement sa tunog.
primary sa soundstage ang malaking effect (using CAL's power cable). considering NAD + RX1 combo setup ko (both are great in low's arena), mas pinabilog pa nya yun bass. hindi ko na nga magamit yun sealed sub ko dahil overkill na sa bass...
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Hi guys.pls PM me i would like to try those powercords.
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I was skeptic about upgrading power cables until yesterday.
It was a Lazy long weekend Holiday and Tube-master John Poscable was at my place so I asked his help implement power cables provided by an audiophile friend from Bangkok.
Immediate effect on Sound quality upon installation just like as observed Lynn in the quote below.
You learn something new everyday!
Already test the power cable aftermarket thing... and yes meron nga improvement sa tunog.
primary sa soundstage ang malaking effect (using CAL's power cable). considering NAD + RX1 combo setup ko (both are great in low's arena), mas pinabilog pa nya yun bass. hindi ko na nga magamit yun sealed sub ko dahil overkill na sa bass...