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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: tambutsoo on Jan 12, 2007 at 07:06 PM
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Today's LCD flat panels are already obsolete
By Burt Carver: Thursday 11 January 2007, 09:27
ONE OF THE overriding themes at CES has been the dramatic improvements in LCD panel technology.
Every major manufacturer has introduced a 120Hz model, along with claimed improvements in contrast, colour reproduction, and noise reduction. Each of these innovations is striking, but when combined in one year they make for a dramatic change in the performance of LCD panels.
The 120Hz overscan virtually eliminates the motion blurring that occured on 60Hz LCD models. In scenarios where the content is panning there is a dramatic benefit from having the additional frame generated.
Colour reproduction has increased from 8 bit to anywhere from 10 bit to 14 bit. One of the key criticisms of LCD panels has been the reduced colour gamut that they could display.
Finally, improvements in handling noisy source content have completed the trifecta for most manufacturers. Where does this leave the millions of people out there who have purchased a flat panel LCD? The gradual improvements that occured in tube technology meant that CRT televisions had a reasonable shelf life. With the rapid advances in LCD panels, much like the desktop industry, the panel you bought yesterday is rendered obsolete today.
For those people interested in acquiring a flat panel LCD, the technology announced at CES will be filtering into retail over the next six months. Waiting a bit for this technology will is a great idea. Until the same thing happens next year at CES
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It might be better if we had a separate thread for electronics shows. But since I try to avoid starting new topics whenever possible, here goes:
Sony Shows Off Sweet 27-inch OLED Display
Tom Samiljan
The Gadget Hound
Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:13PM EST
Sony is showing off some mighty fine-looking and super-thin OLED screens at its booth—all prototypes, of course. OLED (Organic Light-Emitting Diode) screens are believed by many to be the future of display technology. They use a synthetic electrophosphorescent process, not unlike what give fireflies their light, that makes for lower-power consumption, excellent handling of fast-action scenes and sports, brilliant color, and Ritz-cracker slimness (seriously).
I've seen OLED screens at CES before, but I've never seen one as big as the 27-inch prototype that Sony has on display, along with a slew of photo-frame-sized screens. They are simply stunning. I've included a few pictures here. But pictures don't do them justice, so if you happen to be at the show, check 'em out.
As you probably, know OLED screens are already used in small devices like MP3 players (Samsung's K5 and new K3, for example), but soon we'll see them in bigger laptops, like this sweet CWT 7064 OLED Notebook with Windows SideShow that's on display at the Microsoft booth. As for when we'll see OLED TVs, that remains to be seen. One issue is the relatively short life span of OLED screens, a kink that needs to be worked out before the technology goes big screen and mass market.
(http://www.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/01/DSC_3213.jpg)
(http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/samiljan/samiljan-449152618-1168542397_thumb.jpg?ymA7B38C7VORrRL3) (http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/samiljan/samiljan-459204363-1168542394_thumb.jpg?ym86B38CiJChtulZ)
(http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/televisions/sony_oled_tv.jpg)
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Wow, and nipis ng OLED!!!! I wonder how much would be the street price.
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Wow, and nipis ng OLED!!!! I wonder how much would be the street price.
By 2008 malalaman natin ;D pero kwidaw muna tayo pre ;D OLEDs have short lifespans as of the moment
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Sony's Howard Stringer mentioned about OLED's in this enlightening interview.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6164270.html
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The OLEDs at the 2007 CES was a good PR move by Sony, if the objective was to demonstrate that Sony is still on top of cutting edge and bleeding edge technology.
That's probably the impression one would get at this year's CES in Vegas, despite the fact that the developer and owner of the OLED technology is actually Eastman Kodak. Still impressive on the part of Sony, though not as impressive as their Walkman days in the '80s.
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i heard that those new OLEDs burn out quite fast.... :o
....but dahil bago pa lang siguro... They'll be able to improve on those OLEDs like Plasma....
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i heard that those new OLEDs burn out quite fast.... :o
You're right.
The most problematic characteristic of OLED is the limited lifetime of its organic materials. The red and green LEDs have acceptable 10,000 to 40,000 hour lifetimes, but the blue component has high failure rates after about 3,000 to 5,000 hours. Thus, the key to an OLED panel's longevity is improvement in the blue LED's lifespan.
Another problem is water sealing. The intrusion of water into displays can damage or destroy the organic materials.
....but dahil bago pa lang siguro... They'll be able to improve on those OLEDs like Plasma....
OLED is easier to manufacture than LCD, so it's projected to ultimately become cheaper than LCDs. Unlike LCDs, OLEDs have more accurate colors and do not have any viewing angle degradation. Also, LCDs employ a backlight and are incapable of showing true black, while OLEDs can easily produce better blacks by simply turning off the pertinent OLED elements.
OLEDs can even be printed onto flexible substrates such as roll-up displays or even displays embedded in clothing.
Palpak pa sa ngayon, pero pag nasolve ang problema sa blue LEDs, papatok yan dahil mas mura daw ito sa LCD.
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Canon to Buyout Toshiba's SED Contract
Nirav Sanghani - January 13, 2007 5:00 PM
Now the lawsuit for Canon can end, but will production on the SED begin?
Canon, Inc. announced today that it is buying out Toshiba in their surface-conduction electron-emitter (SED) television contract. Canon will buy all of Toshiba's outstanding shares and once the deal has reached completion, SED, Inc. will become an official subsidiary of Canon, Inc. ...
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5696&red=y (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5696&red=y)
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Today's LCD flat panels are already obsolete
By Burt Carver: Thursday 11 January 2007, 09:27
ONE OF THE overriding themes at CES has been the dramatic improvements in LCD panel technology.
Every major manufacturer has introduced a 120Hz model, along with claimed improvements in contrast, colour reproduction, and noise reduction. Each of these innovations is striking, but when combined in one year they make for a dramatic change in the performance of LCD panels.
The 120Hz overscan virtually eliminates the motion blurring that occured on 60Hz LCD models. In scenarios where the content is panning there is a dramatic benefit from having the additional frame generated.
Colour reproduction has increased from 8 bit to anywhere from 10 bit to 14 bit. One of the key criticisms of LCD panels has been the reduced colour gamut that they could display.
Finally, improvements in handling noisy source content have completed the trifecta for most manufacturers. Where does this leave the millions of people out there who have purchased a flat panel LCD? The gradual improvements that occured in tube technology meant that CRT televisions had a reasonable shelf life. With the rapid advances in LCD panels, much like the desktop industry, the panel you bought yesterday is rendered obsolete today.
For those people interested in acquiring a flat panel LCD, the technology announced at CES will be filtering into retail over the next six months. Waiting a bit for this technology will is a great idea. Until the same thing happens next year at CES
great article sir tambutso... one thing is for sure though, evolution is endless...you may have the best TV today but tomorrow, the worst... haaaaayyyyy....
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Forget about OLED:
Prototype Sharp Aquos LCD TV:
Screen Size: 52 inches;
Thickness: 1 inch;
Contrast Ratio: 100,000:1
Connections: High Speed Wireless
(http://www.techchee.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sharps-super-thin-lcd-tv-measures-20mm-only-220807.jpg)
(http://www.techchee.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sharps-super-thin-lcd-you-can-frame-it-up-and-hang-it-on-the-wall-like-a-painting-220807.jpg)
http://www.techchee.com/2007/08/22/sharps-super-thin-lcd-tv-measures-20mm-thick-only/ (http://www.techchee.com/2007/08/22/sharps-super-thin-lcd-tv-measures-20mm-thick-only/)
http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/08/22/sharp.ultra.thin.lcd/ (http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/08/22/sharp.ultra.thin.lcd/)
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sino kayang pdvd member ang unang makakabili nito ;D
70-inch Super Clear panel
LED SmartLighting
1,920 x 1,080-pixel resolution
500,000:1 dynamic contrast
500 nit brightness
8ms response time
178-degree viewing angle
Triple HDMI 1.3 terminals
Wiselink USB2.0 port
Dual subwoofer
1,771 x 1,078 x 149mm
88kg
Availability: Singapore (Nov)
Price: S$88,888 (US$56,551.16)
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0,39037594,62031176,00.htm
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Sony FED:
(http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/07/fed00.jpg)
http://gizmodo.com/5022302/sony-gets-serious-with-another-next+gen-display-tech-fed-like-crt-but-really-thin
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Sony shows off .3 mm flexible 11-inch OLED display
Lydia Sung - Friday, October 3rd, 2008 | 3:28PM (PT)
Sneak peek at CEATEC Japan 2008
(http://i.neoseeker.com//v_thumb.php?type=news&articleid=8958&image=1)
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/8958-sony-shows-off-3-mm-flexible-11-inch-oled-display/
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aayyyyyyuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssssssssss to ah....
kelan kaya ito dadating sa pinas...
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Malapit na ang Panasonic Neo PDP!
(http://www.electricpig.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/panasonic-z1.jpg)(http://www.electricpig.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/z1-3.jpg)
Panasonic 2009 plasmas available in stores
and for pre-order; pricing leaked
by David Katzmaier
March 3, 2009 9:16 AM PST
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10186550-1.html
Panasonic Neo PDP TV tech unveiled
February 24, 2009, 6:16 pm
by James Holland
Panasonic’s got a new way of making plasma TVs. It’s called Neo PDP and makes the competition look bulky, slow and if we’re honest, a bit dim by comparison. ...
Panasonic’s Neo PDP screens are just one inch thick. They also use 50% less power than normal and have contrast ratios of 40,000:1 for deep blacks. By next year, Panasonic says its Neo PDP TVs will be just 8.8mm thick, and with a contrast ratio of infinity:1, rivalling OLED for deep blacks and rich colours.
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/02/24/panasonic-neo-pdp-tv-tech-unveiled/
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Shoot, I plan to buy PV80 around May hahaha
now this comes along. I wonder how much this will be and when will it arrived here in the Philippines.
Should I wait?.. arrrrgghhh.. I might end up not buying anything at all hahahaha :D
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buti na lang nakabili na ako pv80..by the time na gusto ko na mag upgrade mura na yang DPP na yan hahahaha!
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Well kung mag improve sila sa technology then mag mahal price ok lang kasi may nagbago.
Di tulad ngayon nagbago lang ng frame ang lcd tv mag mamahal agad even though its still using the same old 60 hertz tech.
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Update: Panasonic's flagship plasma Neo PDP Z1 54" WirelessHD:
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090305/panasonic_z1_plasma_270x261.jpg)
World's sexiest plasma gets ugly price tag:
Panasonic Z1 will cost $6,000
March 5, 2009 8:08 AM PST
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10189086-1.html
Panasonic Z1 the New Kuro? $6,000 Says Yes
By Kevin Parrish, published on March 5, 2009 at 3:00 PM
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Panasonic-HDTV-Z1,news-3572.html
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There are 3 Neo PDP models. The premium model with 1-inch breadth (Z), the 2-inch model (V) and the FAT (nearly 4 inch) model (G). ;D. V and G models are already in Tokyo stores and the starting prices seem to be just right.
Just when I thought I got an awesome plasma, these Neo PDP are boasting exactly 1080 horizontal lines of resolution. Up to last year's full HD plasmas, the published resolution is "higher than 900 lines". So I guess plasma makers have been cheating on us about resolutions until now.
Remarkable improvements in power consumption. With these Neo PDP models, expected annual kWh consumption is down by 40% on the 50V, a whopping 48% on the 42V - compared to the 8 series. These are pretty awesome numbers. In the entry level model, the reduction is only about 18% compared to the PX/Pv80 which is still not bad at all.
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i dont like it .. the price that is .. :D
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i dont like it .. the price that is .. :D
street prices for the V and G Neo PDPs are just about the same as their predecessors PZ800 (looks like PY850) and PZ80 (looks like PY800) respectivley. even the PX1 is just at the level of PX80. Yung Z model lang ang special priced but then do you really need a sleek wi-fi PDP right now? :) The fat model should reach very reasonable streel prices soon.
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street prices for the V and G Neo PDPs are just about the same as their predecessors PZ800 (looks like PY850) and PZ80 (looks like PY800) respectivley. even the PX1 is just at the level of PX80. Yung Z model lang ang special priced but then do you really need a sleek wi-fi PDP right now? :) The fat model should reach very reasonable streel prices soon.
mahal parin bro :P
ill prolly get one once 1inch thick plasma display becomes common :D
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Haynako ... eto na naman po kami ....
Bagong pangako na naman tungkol sa OLED:
Philips to Roll Out OLED in 2010
by Tom Andry — last modified March 13, 2009 05:19
(http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/philips-oled-2010/image_mini)
http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/philips-oled-2010
Somehow, super-thin OLEDs are not so alluring anymore, now that Panasonic already has 1-inch thin plasmas.
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OLED and Neo-PDP...
I'm really starting to hate this thread ;)
When these things do see the light of day around here I'll try not to read about them...must...not...buy...new...T.V...you...have...good...T.V's...already...don't read...don't read...don't buy...I'm practicing those self help hypnotism techniques :)
Oh and one more thing lord Clondalkin strongly believes that I won't be able to resist the "call" of the Neo-PDP^ Hey Clondalkin! I've got a strong will power, I won't even read any new info about the plasma! (sticks out a calculator to compute how many bbq's I have to skip just to buy them Neo stuff - Hmmm, that's a lot of bbq :D)
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Somehow, super-thin OLEDs are not so alluring anymore, now that Panasonic already has 1-inch thin plasmas.
yeah .. plasma parin ;D
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Right now, the thin sliced Sony OLEDs (black or white model) are displayed on separate stands or booths (usually fronting an entrance) because it would be difficult to notice them if placed next to the giant flat screens. It's really thin compared to 1 inch but at only 11-inch diagonal, you've got to be HDTV crazy to fork out around USD2K. It's even smaller than most laptop screens hence pang car entertainment ang dating. Of course the PQ looks great because the screen is sooo small. 2010 is just a year from now and it appears the developments on the OLED are rather slow. So it's safe to predict that this technology would not soar until at least the current gen of Neo PDP are updated 2x. After 2011 - maybe.
WTH is wrong with "fat" anyway? First of all, it's gonna be a tremendous engineering challenge to design a good audio system if the bezel is wafer thin. Yung Z series palang ng Panasonic, I think you may have to buy Pany's proprietary wi-fi speaker system and tuner just to complete the TV.
Carlo I'm totally confident that you would buy one of the Neo PDPs. Ika nga ni Michael Corleone, "it's the price you have to pay for the life you choose". ;D ;D ;D
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Right now, the thin sliced Sony OLEDs (black or white model) are displayed on separate stands or booths (usually fronting an entrance) because it would be difficult to notice them if placed next to the giant flat screens. It's really thin compared to 1 inch but at only 11-inch diagonal, you've got to be HDTV crazy to fork out around USD2K. It's even smaller than most laptop screens hence pang car entertainment ang dating. Of course the PQ looks great because the screen is sooo small. 2010 is just a year from now and it appears the developments on the OLED are rather slow. So it's safe to predict that this technology would not soar until at least the current gen of Neo PDP are updated 2x. After 2011 - maybe.
WTH is wrong with "fat" anyway? First of all, it's gonna be a tremendous engineering challenge to design a good audio system if the bezel is wafer thin. Yung Z series palang ng Panasonic, I think you may have to buy Pany's proprietary wi-fi speaker system and tuner just to complete the TV.
Carlo I'm totally confident that you would buy one of the Neo PDPs. Ika nga ni Michael Corleone, "it's the price you have to pay for the life you choose". ;D ;D ;D
I spoke to Jeff of Theatreworks kanina and the Z series is really tempting... ;)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Avatar-Teaser-Poster.jpg)
Panasonic leans on 'Avatar' movie for 3-D pr blitz
By YURI KAGEYAMA
The Associated Press
2:51 p.m. Friday, August 21, 2009
TOKYO — "Titanic" director James Cameron has signed on with Panasonic Corp. to promote new 3-D TVs.
The deal disclosed Friday comes as Cameron and Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp. are aiming to break new ground with the release of "Avatar," a movie shot entirely in 3-D.
At the same time, Panasonic is making a big push to get consumers excited about three-dimensional viewing in the home — excited enough to buy new flat-panel sets and new Blu-ray disc players. Consumers will have to wear special glasses to experience the 3-D effect.
Panasonic is planning to start selling 3-D TVs next year. Rivals, including Sony Corp., which has its own movie division, and Samsung Electronics Co. of South Korea have shown prototypes and may offer similar products. It's not clear how much 3-D TVs would cost.
http://www.ajc.com/business/panasonic-leans-on-120646.html
Why 3-D Is the Future of Television
By Daniel Lyons
Thursday, August 13, 2009
In early August I traveled to Secaucus, N.J., and saw the future of television. My epiphany took place at the North American headquarters of Panasonic, where a prototype 3-D TV system was running on a 103-inch plasma screen with a home-theater surround-sound system. It was, in a word, stunning. Remember the first time you saw high-def television? Imagine that experience on steroids.
http://mobile.newsweek.com/detail.jsp?key=54729&rc=te&p=0&all=1
3D TV edges closer to the lounge room
Louisa Hearn
August 5, 2009
3D movies are all the rage in Hollywood once again, and this time flatscreen TV makers are joining in the party, promising to release a slew of 3D-ready TV sets for our lounge rooms as early as next year.
While the 1950s may represent the golden era of 3D technology, contemporary film directors such as James Cameron (of Titanic fame) are fervently embracing it in upcoming feature films such as Avatar, and numerous animations from DreamWorks Animation and Disney/Pixar.
Jeffrey Katzenberg, Dreamworks chief executive, promised attendees at a recent industry conference that the next generation of 3D movies would jump out of the cinema and into our lounge rooms once TV makers put the finishing touches on 3D-ready displays destined for the mass market.
http://www.watoday.com.au/digital-life/hometech/3d-tv-edges-closer-to-the-lounge-room-20090805-e9to.html?page=-1
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LPD (Laser Phosphor Display):
LPD display tech from Prysm uses lasers, phosphors, groovy Flash intros
By Tim Stevens posted Jan 14th 2010 9:21AM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/prysm-concept-20100114-600.jpg)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/14/lpd-display-tech-from-prysm-uses-lasers-phosphors-groovy-flash/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/12/AR2010011200450.html
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Canon Abandons Promising SED TV Technology
Thursday May 27, 2010
What seemed like a promising flat panel television technology apparently has turned into an also-ran as a result of Canon's announcement that they will no longer pursue the development of flat panel TVs based on SED technology.
http://hometheater.about.com/b/2010/05/27/canon-abandons-promising-sed-tv-technology.htm
Canon halts development of SED TV
by Matt Morgan on 05/25/2010I
May 25, 2010 — It was to be a new era: The surface-conduction electron-emitter display (SED) promised to bring the lightning-fast response times and high contrast of traditional CRT TVs to the flat-panel generation.
... So what went wrong? Well, Canon came up against legal problems: It was sued by the US company Applied Nanotech for patent infringement. Toshiba then stepped down from the joint venture, and the global economy entered a massive downturn. Somewhere in the midst of this financial storm, Canon must have decided that SED just wasn’t worth the risk any longer, especially in the face of continuing improvements to LCD and plasma technology. Many of the HDTVs currently on the market are almost as flat and contrast-rich as SED could ever hope to be.
http://www.televisions.com/tv-news/Canon-halts-development-of-SED-TV-063.php
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Sony, Panasonic confirm OLED TV partnership: Apple, Samsung set in sights?
By Zack Whittaker | June 25, 2012, 1:29am PDT
Summary: As expected, Sony and Panasonic have agreed to partner up to take on Samsung — and likely Apple —as the OLED television industry sets its sights on a shift away from LCD technology.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/sony-panasonic-confirm-oled-tv-partnership-apple-samsung-set-in-sights/80756
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May tv ad ang toshiba Yung kasama si solenn na may glasses-free 3d tv na daw sila.
Eto nakita ko sa net http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/toshiba-55zl2-1080745/review (http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/toshiba-55zl2-1080745/review)
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-57358345/toshiba-glasses-free-3d-tv-demo-it-works-just-not-very-well/ (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-57358345/toshiba-glasses-free-3d-tv-demo-it-works-just-not-very-well/)
Pero at least they're innovating
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May tv ad ang toshiba Yung kasama si solenn na may glasses-free 3d tv na daw sila.
Eto nakita ko sa net http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/toshiba-55zl2-1080745/review (http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/toshiba-55zl2-1080745/review)
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-57358345/toshiba-glasses-free-3d-tv-demo-it-works-just-not-very-well/ (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-57358345/toshiba-glasses-free-3d-tv-demo-it-works-just-not-very-well/)
Pero at least they're innovating
Yes. Was able to watch it at Greenbelt aisle. Not clean at this point in time - but you can notice some of the run effectively made. But my eyes get easily strained watching 3D, or was it because the 3D was not perfectly executed?
ANd yes again, it is a matter of time that we may not need 3D glasses anymore if Tosh will be able to perfect the glass-free 3D technology implem.
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Sony, Panasonic confirm OLED TV partnership: Apple, Samsung set in sights?
By Zack Whittaker | June 25, 2012, 1:29am PDT
Summary: As expected, Sony and Panasonic have agreed to partner up to take on Samsung — and likely Apple —as the OLED television industry sets its sights on a shift away from LCD technology.
Perhaps. They better be in the boat while it's new and hugely profitable. Both companies have been bleeding lately.
Meanwhile....
Chinese and Taiwanese firms are busy doing their "research" on the technology as well.
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Digital1/Story/A1Story20120628-355882.html (http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Digital1/Story/A1Story20120628-355882.html)
Soon they will have this too:
(http://cdn.asia.cnet.com/story_media/62215629/600x450/oled_sc.jpg)