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Home Theater => Audio => Amplifier => Topic started by: newbie pa rin on Jan 04, 2008 at 10:16 AM
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Planning to get one.
Any reviews on those who bought/ has experienced on this baby will be highly appreciated.
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wala ba naka experience marinig ang BADA 2-channel power amp?
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ako mayron 5 channel pero break-in period pa lang. not much time to enjoy it yet. pero initial test showed improvement in my fronts. fronts pa lang kasi ang kinabit ko sa power amps ko and the rest is connected to the receiver ;)
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ako meron din 5-channel power amp pero up to now di ko pa ginagamit, nakakatamad kasi buksan, wala pa ako audio rack at wala din pre-out receiver ko. Ang bigat pala talaga nito, 20Kg! :D
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ako meron din 5-channel power amp pero up to now di ko pa ginagamit, nakakatamad kasi buksan, wala pa ako audio rack at wala din pre-out receiver ko. Ang bigat pala talaga nito, 20Kg! :D
naku sir sinabi mo pa ;) sumakit nga likod ko nung binuhat ko ;D also medyo kinakabahan ako baka bumigay yung aking rack dahil sa bigat. sana huwag naman ;)
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Planning to get one.
Any reviews on those who bought/ has experienced on this baby will be highly appreciated.
If you are near my Imus store, there's a Bada 2-channel p/amp set-up with a dynaco pre-amp. you are free to audition.
cyber
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wala ba naka experience marinig ang BADA 2-channel power amp?
I got 3 units of 2 channel amp for bi-amping my front and center. Initially i find the amp to be harsh, but after conferring with Matzter, he told me to be patient during this burn in stage which im still in. But judging it this past few days, it might turn out to be a good buy.
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I got one, rock solid build and im very satisfied with its performance. I think i haven't heard much of it's true potential since I paired it with a highly efficient FS speaker and I haven't tried it with any other speaker as of this moment.
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9232/dsc00904sn8.jpg)
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I got 3 units of 2 channel amp for bi-amping my front and center. Initially i find the amp to be harsh, but after conferring with Matzter, he told me to be patient during this burn in stage which im still in. But judging it this past few days, it might turn out to be a good buy.
The burn in stage is very important for the bada amps. The first time I tested a BADA amp sample, I literally wanted to throw the Hybrid amp out the window... really! It was harsh and I impulsively reprimanded the factory next day for producing such a crappy amp.
After days of burn in... I had to eat my words & apologize. what a shame ;D
It was unwillingly left with no choice (hiniram, tapos sinoli: bayad na lang) before I let go of that hybrid. ;D
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Thanks for all the replies guys.
It's time for me to audition it.
@Cyber
Thanks for the invite but I'm too far away QC/Makati.
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ako rin po gusyo ko rin maaudition ang bada 2-channel power amp na ito san po pwede? metro manila area lang po san thanks
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ako rin po gusyo ko rin maaudition ang bada 2-channel power amp na ito san po pwede? metro manila area lang po san thanks
Sa Shang - S&S
Mkti - The Home Theater sa Tordesillas
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Auditioned the Bada Hybrid yesterday at S&S Shangrila using an Epos 12.2 BS. The amp is sweet sounding and very natural. Wow ganda pala talaga ito tumunog.
I hope I will be able to own one in the near future.
:D
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I got one, rock solid build and im very satisfied with its performance. I think i haven't heard much of it's true potential since I paired it with a highly efficient FS speaker and I haven't tried it with any other speaker as of this moment.
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9232/dsc00904sn8.jpg)
OT: Nakakapaglaway talaga yang X3 na yan, sana magkaroon din ako nyan someday :)
How much nga pala ang Bada amp nowadays, 2-channel and the 5-channel??? thanks :)
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Bro,
Sa SS Shangrila P12.5K(cash)less 10% ang 2-channel power amp as per Jun.
;D
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Bro,
Sa SS Shangrila P12.5K(cash)less 10% ang 2-channel power amp as per Jun.
;D
Thanks bro, i'll visit their shop one of these days :)
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buy it only comes in black di ba?
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Visit our website:
macrotechtradehouse.com (http://www.macrotechtradehouse.com)
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I have many requests for pictures of the Bada amps since the B/S section is closed. So here they are:
BADA SS Integrated Amp:
2x90w@ 8ohm
2x160w @ 4ohm
"Power amp direct" feature for tube pre-amps or for receivers (no volume control)
Pre outs
No remote
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DC-220Side2.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DC-220Rear.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DC-220Inside2b.jpg)
BADA Audio has been in the business of Hi-Fi in China for 20 years, delivering value for money products w/ absolutely no compromise in design & quality. Consider it "Assembled in China" with imported parts, as you will find branded international parts like Bur brown, Toshiba, etc. inside BADA products.
If you have heard about the Bada line conditioner & its effectiveness, Well, thats just BADA's secondary export. The primary export product are the amps! ;)
Audition them! Dont just rely on specs or the "hard selling" salesman trying to malign other products they dont sell! :D BADA products are confidently placed side by side with branded giants twice its price for audition at Sights & Sounds Shangrila Mall. Schedule an audition w/ Jun 6341789
BADA Hybrid integrated amp
2x95w @ 8 ohms
2x190w @ 4 ohms
4x12au7 tubes for preamp
heavy duty all-aluminum casing
w/ remote
awesome combo w/ B&W 6 series!
SOLD OUT for now but accepting reservations at SGT home theater.
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DC222HD-22.jpg)
They say that high end speakers are so revealing they expose the imperfections of your amp:
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Badahybrid.jpg)
Bada hybrid amp driving 4ohm P200+k flagship speakers at very loud levels during the audio show!
Available at:
SGT Home Theater 8138443
Sights & Sounds Shangrila 8341789
HiFi Lounge 8428133
Theater Works 9013975
Stop Look & Listen 6873550
Audible Illusions 374-3620
Provincial orders through freight:
CyberMMS 0917-8299625
Call for pricing
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BADA 2 channel power amp
2x130w @ 8ohms
Torroidal transformer
detachable power cord
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DC-200front.jpg)
BADA 5 channel power amp
front L&R: 120w
Center & Surrounds: 110w
dual torroidal transformers!
detachable power cord
Heavy duty aluminum casing (u just gotta see this!)
1000w power consumption & almost 50 lbs!
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DV-500Front3.jpg)
Pardon the tilt. the unit was so heavy the table tilted :D
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DV-500Rear.jpg)
Separate power supply for the fronts and back+ center ensuring enough power for those demanding scenes!
This config is ONLY available on 100+k high end amps!
Highly recommended for setups with the new HD surround formats if you want to hear the difference brought about by the higher resolution.
*break-in period recommended for all Bada amps. :)
Call the dealers above (1st post) for pricing.
WHY POWER AMPS?
please read the spoiler
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Power to the People – the Benefits of the Power Amplifier
27/11/2001
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by Gavin Womersley
The vast majority of home theatre systems contain at their centre the ubiquitous surround receiver. Costing anything from around $500 to more than $6000 for the top models, they are by far the most popular choice for anchoring surround systems. On the whole they offer amazing value with good quality chips handling advanced processing of the digital formats we enjoy today, plenty of connection options and a level of general sophistication that would have been unheard of just a few years ago. They are not perfect however, and their biggest weakness lies in their most basic task – amplifying speakers.
Why this is so will be examined below. While the traditional alternative – the surround pre-amp power-amp combination is still the best choice for those who can afford it, our focus here will be making good use of the popular surround receiver as a processor/pre-amp and adding high quality muscle for a high value as well as high performance combination.
Surround Receivers - Limitations
Surround receivers are sold largely on the basis of price and specifications. Manufacturers elbow their way through the competitive market with models that have Dolby Digital, DTS, component video switching etc, etc at ever-lower price points. These are features that help stake out their products as great value. It is unfortunate that some important parts of the amplifier do not get the attention they deserve, yet they are vital to the amplifiers core function of powering speakers. I am talking about the amplifiers power supply, the size of its transformer and heat sinks. Things like this will tell us how well the amplifier is able to generate the current required to drive a loudspeaker.
In a typical surround receiver you have crammed into a small space five amplifiers, the main power transformer, heat sinks, preamplifier circuitry, front display circuitry, video switching and so forth. In short there is a dam lot of stuff in that box - too much in fact. There simply is not enough space both in the manufacturers budget and in the amplifiers chassis to accommodate items such as a decent size power supply and heat sinks. Shane Buettner Equipment Review Editor from Widescreen Review compares dedicated power amps to surround receivers when he states:
“As an example, the dedicated power amplifier that I use as a reference has a power transformer rated at 2.2 kVa for a five-channel amplifier. The Denon AVR-5800, one of the best sounding A/V receivers I’ve heard, has a transformer rated at 1.1 kVa. Under no circumstances will the AVR-5800 receiver be able to deliver as much current to the output stages of its amplifier section as my dedicated amplifier. The number and quality of the output devices on each channel will be limited in the A/V receiver as well, due to physical size restraints and to the limited amount of real estate in the A/V receiver along with cost considerations." (Widescreen Review; 46; p. 92)
He goes on to say that higher current designs generate more heat and thus require more heat sinks, which again are not easy to do in a surround receiver. In short the manufacturers of dedicated power amps do not have the constraints that surround receiver manufacturers have upon them.
All this would only be of marginal interest if it did not have an effect on sound quality. However these things affect the sound quality of music and movies to a massive degree. Any speaker regardless of price will sound better when supplied with all the current it requires. Whether large or small, whether you listen loudly or softly or whether it is music in stereo or a film soundtrack, the differences are immediately apparent. Again, Buettner wraps it up succinctly:
“Now the common misconception here is that all of the above only translates into higher volume levels from the dedicated amplifier. Strain, congestion, distortion and dynamic compression are all terms that can be used to describe what an amplifier sounds like when it can’t deliver the current necessary to drive a loudspeaker during transient peaks (which occur during music playback as well as movie soundtracks).” (Widescreen Review; 46; p.92)
It is the transients in music and music that the differences between dedicated power amps and surround receivers are most strikingly apparent. However at all times the sound is superior, not just during peaks. The amplifier simply has a much better hold of the speaker allowing for a cleaner more precise and yet relaxed and smoother sound.
The Sound Alternative
As mentioned in the introduction the traditional alternative to the one box surround receiver is the pre-power combo. This is still the best way to go but is often very expensive. Surround pre-amps are not thick on the ground and with the exception of two models from Rotel ($2500 & $3700), virtually all cost upwards of $4000, with many giving little change from double this figure. Add the price of a power amp and things start to get expensive.
The alternative to this however lets you enjoy the potent dynamics of a movie soundtrack and the subtle nuances of the quietest passages of your favourite music without breaking the bank. This alternative lies with a cluster of sockets on the back of your surround receiver called pre-outs.
Line level outputs for all channels from the back of your surround receiver allow the connection of a multi-channel power amp. The power amp would then power all the speakers. Surround receivers down to just under $1000 have been seen sporting these outputs, so it is an option open to many. With the relatively high chip quality and processing power of many of these receivers they can make surprisingly good surround pre-amps. Adding a surround power-amp will take the performance to a whole new level as will be seen below.
Shane Lord, a reviewer for Australia’s most respected DVD website michaeldvd.com.au uses his accurately calibrated surround system as a tool for critically reviewing DVD soundtracks. With a small room and small speakers one would not have thought he was obviously in need of a powerful surround amp as he had just bought a advanced new surround receiver, one with great chips and supposedly plenty of power. This is what he found when he took the Elektra Theatre multi-channel power amp home for a test drive:
“The sound difference was stunning. Even on smaller speakers such as my own the power-amp enabled sound had greater depth and clarity, and far less "muddiness". I could hear more information than I had before. Whether it was music or movies, the power amp proved it could outclass the far less capable amp in the receiver. It was as big a difference as that between mono and stereo. Simply put, I was stunned. Such a major difference and it didn't require replacing the receiver. Even in my relatively small room, with my mid-priced speakers, the quality difference is unquestionable. Friends and family now prefer to come here to see a movie than go to the cinema. The sound is so much better now that I am thoroughly enjoying going back through my DVD collection & CD's just to listen to them again.”
Needless to say, Shane now owns the Elektra Theatre.
Normally we keep power amps in a separate area to surround receivers and it was not possible to do an A/B comparison. Now however we have a multi-channel power-amp in our home theatre comparison room at all times so you can hear the incredible difference the power-amp makes. The difference is absolutely huge.
Of course we have a number of different surround power-amps. Brands include top end gear like Krell and Musical Fidelity, mid-range gear like Perreaux and cheaper models from companies such as Rotel. We have five channel power-amps starting from the Rotel RMB-1075 120w x 5 at $1900 although the standout model in terms of quality and value for your dollar is the Australian designed and built Elektra Theatre ($3000). Weighing in at 27kgs and with 150w x 6 it sounds superb for music and movies and has a degree of slam and attack that has to be heard to be believed. Unlike all surround receivers under about $3500, power-amps, with their huge power supplies, can run all their amplifiers at their full power simultaneously and most will come close to doubling their power output when impedance halves. This means that they can run almost any speaker you care to name, even in big rooms.
Conclusion
I would urge anyone in the market for surround receivers over $3000 to first hear what an inexpensive surround receiver (such as Marrantz’s brilliant new SR4200 or SR5200) sound like running with a power-amp via the receivers pre-outs before doling out their hard earned on an all singing and dancing surround receiver. If you do the comparison you will not ever choose even a $5000 or more receiver on sonic grounds over a cheaper one with a power-amp. For those of you already with a flashy surround receiver - do yourself a favour and check out its back panel. If it has pre-outs you have the easiest upgrade choice you will ever have to make, just be sure to strap yourself in when the surround power-amp arrives!
A shorter write up from a professional equipment reviewer:
In all common amplifier topologies, low-impedance loads have the inherent consequence of increased heat as the greater current (as opposed to voltage) is delivered. Make no mistake: no matter how "good" a receiver is (no matter how much it costs), it cannot compete with separate power amplifiers for this reason. There is simply too much crammed into one box. Elaborate means of dissipating heat are possible, but they are expensive to the point of making the pursuit futile (i.e., you might as well just go the way of separates).
See his review equipment! : http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_3/onkyo-tx-sr805-receiver-9-2006-part-5.html
He uses a high model ($1,000+) Onkyo PLUS power amps!!!
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Ganda talaga sir Matt! ;)
Very simple & clean - less is more! ;D
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yup very nice products talaga sir Matt tnx for bringing them in!
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Actually I should apologize...
I should have brought these babies earlier if I had not been too BRAND CONSCIOUS by under estimating these amps ;D. I literally ignored them for some time & auditioned them very late. The performance just floored me (after break in), specially for the price.
For the low price, there is no catch bros, just less bragging rights compared to branded ones maybe, but performance wise, they deserve an audition. Service & warranty wont be a problem (unless abused of course).
So dont be like me, too brand conscious & under-estimating that I missed the chance to enjoy these value for money HiFi wonders earlier. So for performance driven people: AUDITION! ;)
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Hi Sir Matt,
Please pardon my ignorance, looking at the back of the 5 channel amp, I'm going to connect my receiver to it's audio input, right? then the subwoofer will be connected to the receiver's subwoofer pre-out? Please enlighten me on how to use this 5 channel amp on my HT sir, hehe interested kasi ako at di pa ako nakaka-gamit ng separate set-up, puro integrated kasi setup ko ;D
Btw, can you PM me the price of the 2 Channel and the 5 channel amp? Thanks :)
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Sir, you need to connect the 5 input jacks of the amp to your receiver's corresponding "pre out" output jacks. But not all receivers have the preout feature though. The subs are connected straight from the receiver's sub out.
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Sir, you need to connect the 5 input jacks of the amp to your receiver's corresponding "pre out" output jacks. But not all receivers have the preout feature though. The subs are connected straight from the receiver's sub out.
Meron kasi yung Onkyo TX-SR504 ko sa likod na mga RCA output which i believe is for some HTIB speakers connection, may FR,FL,SR,SL,CEN and SW din, dito ako nalilito, yun din ba yung pre-out na sinasabi nyo? Pwede ko bang gamitin yun? Sorry for asking so many questions sir, nalilito lang talaga ako dun ;D
How much po?
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Meron kasi yung Onkyo TX-SR504 ko sa likod na mga RCA output which i believe is for some HTIB speakers connection, may FR,FL,SR,SL,CEN and SW din, dito ako nalilito, yun din ba yung pre-out na sinasabi nyo? Pwede ko bang gamitin yun? Sorry for asking so many questions sir, nalilito lang talaga ako dun ;D
How much po?
pre, mukhang nagka-crush ka sa bada amp ah....actually ako rin eh... nag-iisip kumuha ng power amp pero yung 2 channel lang. ;D ;D
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pre, mukhang nagka-crush ka sa bada amp ah....actually ako rin eh... nag-iisip kumuha ng power amp pero yung 2 channel lang. ;D ;D
Mahal kasi ng mga Hi-wattage na receivers e, baka mas maka-mura ako kapag separate setup :)
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nyahaha.. malamang... dami talaga pera ni reynold... pautang naman... nyahaha sorry OT..
Sir Matz, pa-pm din ng price for 5 ch and 2 ch amp, crush ko din e...
HK335 yung receiver ko, may pre-out, in your opinion po ba, ok (and practical na din) na magdagdag ng ganitong amp sa setup ko? thanks
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nyahaha.. malamang... dami talaga pera ni reynold... pautang naman... nyahaha sorry OT..
Sir Matz, pa-pm din ng price for 5 ch and 2 ch amp, crush ko din e...
HK335 yung receiver ko, may pre-out, in your opinion po ba, ok (and practical na din) na magdagdag ng ganitong amp sa setup ko? thanks
Ikaw din pala e, hehehe ;D
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I will definitely find time to audition these amps ;). Sir Matz kindly PM me the prices of the integrated and the 2 channel power amp. Thanks ;)
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Meron kasi yung Onkyo TX-SR504 ko sa likod na mga RCA output which i believe is for some HTIB speakers connection, may FR,FL,SR,SL,CEN and SW din, dito ako nalilito, yun din ba yung pre-out na sinasabi nyo? Pwede ko bang gamitin yun? Sorry for asking so many questions sir, nalilito lang talaga ako dun ;D
How much po?
Bro, I dont think you can connect an external power amp to your 504. Wala itong multi-channel pre-outs, sub preout lang meron. The FR,FL,SR,SL,CEN and SW rca inputs that you see are Multi-channel inputs, which are used to connect the receiver directly to the multi-channel outputs of your source (DVD, SACD, HD player, etc.). Hope this helps :)
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Bro, I dont think you can connect an external power amp to your 504. Wala itong multi-channel pre-outs, sub preout lang meron. The FR,FL,SR,SL,CEN and SW rca inputs that you see are Multi-channel inputs, which are used to connect the receiver directly to the multi-channel outputs of your source (DVD, SACD, HD player, etc.). Hope this helps :)
Oh i see, thanks bro :)
Mukang may naisip na naman akong gawin sa Receiver ko ngayon ha, hmmmnnn ::) ::) S.A.R.S ;D
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buy it only comes in black di ba?
from what I have seen yup it only comes in black (which is what i like ;))
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Mahal kasi ng mga Hi-wattage na receivers e, baka mas maka-mura ako kapag separate setup :)
Malayo difference ng separate setup sa receiver. Just look at the most hardcore HT setups in the HT gallery, they all use power amps. Also pro HT setups in US HT mags, all use power amps. Meron receivers minsan pero they are DIY features for the mag.
truth is, many of the 5 channel units were bought by local PRO HT installers.
Sir Matz, pa-pm din ng price for 5 ch and 2 ch amp, crush ko din e...
HK335 yung receiver ko, may pre-out, in your opinion po ba, ok (and practical na din) na magdagdag ng ganitong amp sa setup ko? thanks
sir, I used to own a very powerful HK630, till now its the most powerful receiver I ever had. But when I tried using power amps I was surprised that there was still a big difference from an already expensive 60k receiver. Even the HK salesman was surprised with the performance! Just imagine that! ;)
ANY setup with pre outs can benefit from power amps. I have always recommended power amps in these threads for many years now, but they werent affordable then. So I membarked on this BADA power amp project, so that more can also enjoy power amps like the hardcore HT enthusiasts.. at a more affordable price.
The downside is the temptation to upgrade to higher model speakers, cuz kayang kaya ng power amps. ;D
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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Badahybrid.jpg)
Bada hybrid amp driving 4ohm P200+k flagship speakers at very loud levels during the audio show!
Available at:
SGT Home Theater 8138443
Sights & Sounds Shangrila 8341789
HiFi Lounge 8428133
Theater Works 9013975
Stop Look & Listen 6873550
Call for pricing
hi sir, can you please PM me the price for the 5 channel and the ss intregrated amp. Thanks
Also sir, medyo OT, but do you happen to know what brand of speaker stands they're using for these bookshelves. Ganda kasi eh. Thanks!
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sana the SS integrated amp comes out in aluminum finish para match sa CD player
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For Pricing:
Sirs :), Kindly call the dealers, we have indicated their contact numbers.
hi sir, can you please PM me the price for the 5 channel and the ss intregrated amp. Thanks
Also sir, medyo OT, but do you happen to know what brand of speaker stands they're using for these bookshelves. Ganda kasi eh. Thanks!
The speaker stand came with the flagship speakers. Its awesome indeed, but expect to pay quite an amount for it. ratio:Proportion mo na lang yung cost sa P200k na speakers...
sana the SS integrated amp comes out in aluminum finish para match sa CD player
Duly noted sir. Actually its black aluminum finish, and black aluminum finish CD players have been ordered. :)
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Hi MAtZ,
I am now using Yamaha RXV1400 mid-end receiver paired with B&W 602S3 fronts, B&W LCR60 center and Warf bipolar surrounds. This receiver's power output is rated at 110watts RMS into 8 ohms per channel. My question is; will I get better performance and benefit if I use the BADA 2ch power amp to drive my fronts, even though the BADA amp is only 20watts more than the power output of my Yamaha?
Thanks.
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Sir's ,
what's the model # of this 2 channel BADA amp?
Thanks!
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Sir Matzter,
what's the model # of the 2 channel BADA power amp are we talking.
could you post a picture?
thanks!
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Sir Matzter,
what's the model # of the 2 channel BADA power amp are we talking.
could you post a picture?
thanks!
DC-200 sir, I will try to post pictures soon.
Hi MAtZ,
I am now using Yamaha RXV1400 mid-end receiver paired with B&W 602S3 fronts, B&W LCR60 center and Warf bipolar surrounds. This receiver's power output is rated at 110watts RMS into 8 ohms per channel. My question is; will I get better performance and benefit if I use the BADA 2ch power amp to drive my fronts, even though the BADA amp is only 20watts more than the power output of my Yamaha?
Thanks.
Sir, my 130w Yamaha 2500 is outperformed by my Rotel 100w power amp. If you measure the receiver the same way they measure power amps (all channels driven), AFAIK, only the HK630 has reached 75w, Denon 38xx 70w, Yamaha 2x00 & Onkyo8xx at 50-60w even lower.
PLUS receivers dont have constant 4 ohm ratings. They are too cramped up inside w/ so much electronics like the tuner, DSP, video switches, to accommodate the facilities needed to dissipate the heat generated by 4 ohm loads.
Why is this important? B&W speakers are known to dip below 4 ohms & even SGT knows very well these speakers are current hungry. He has admitted that finding a good match for B&W's has always been hard but the BADA's matched well w/ B&W's.
If you heard the BADA Hybrid driving the 601's at SGT, you will know what we mean. Also try to listen to B&W floorstanders being driven by our inexpensive SS integrated amp at Sights & Sounds Shang. Even at just 90w, even this can beat a receiver's claimed 110w, cuz the SS is rated at 160w @ 4ohms! The receiver cant even give that much current... constantly!
FOR ALL other B&W owners who use receivers & feel "Bitin", I urge you to audition the BADA's, you never know what you might be missing until you try em. Dont under estimate these amps. If you are performance driven (& not brand or bragging rights driven ;D) BADA is the product for you!
for non B&W owners, remember that there is no constant 8ohm or constant 6ohm speakers, they all DIP down, sometimes to 4 ohms. So power amps can give you benefits for your HT or audio setup!
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Sir's ,
what's the model # of this 2 channel BADA amp?
Thanks!
DC-200 for the 2 channel BADA SS power amp
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Wow...just saw this thread! :o Will PM you Matt.
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Just got back from S&S.
I auditioned the BADA power amp.
The power amp is connected to a tube amp using the BADA CD player and B&W bookshelf speakers.
I forgot to ask the brand and model of the tube amp.
I used Audiophile voices II CD to test the Bada power amp since I'm quite familiar with it.
My first impression, audio is too sharp for me, dynamics was good.
Change the speaker to a B&W floorstander and the sharpness was tamed a bit but still too sharp to my liking.
I then changed the CD player to Pio DV 400 and I like the sound better.
Better dynamics even in low or medium volume(9'oclock settings).
I could hear the singer's deep breath during playback.
Highly recommended.
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Wow...just saw this thread! :o Will PM you Matt.
Go go go paul ;)
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Is is ok to pair this with Nad 320bee amp?
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for non B&W owners, remember that there is no constant 8ohm or constant 6ohm speakers, they all DIP down, sometimes to 4 ohms. So power amps can give you benefits for your HT or audio setup!
Hi sir Matz, medyo OT ng konti...
Does it mean that it is safer for us to set our receiver to 4 ohms even if we are using an 8 or 6 ohms speakers? Please enlighten us on this, Thanks ??? :)
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Just got back from S&S.
I auditioned the BADA power amp.
The power amp is connected to a tube amp using the BADA CD player and B&W bookshelf speakers.
I forgot to ask the brand and model of the tube amp.
I used Audiophile voices II CD to test the Bada power amp since I'm quite familiar with it.
My first impression, audio is too sharp for me, dynamics was good.
Change the speaker to a B&W floorstander and the sharpness was tamed a bit but still too sharp to my liking.
I then changed the CD player to Pio DV 400 and I like the sound better.
Better dynamics even in low or medium volume(9'oclock settings).
I could hear the singer's deep breath during playback.
Highly recommended.
Out of the box unit pa lang yan sir. It will sound better after weeks of use. Cyber store in Cavite evaluated the unit only after weeks of break in. The sharpness is common among fresh bada amps (no break-in yet).
S&S cant break in every one of these for audition, for understandable economic reasons. Only the integrated is break in.
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I personally heard this at cyber's shop and sounded pretty good. pero ni-reserve na ata sa akin to ni cyber e. diba bro??? ;) ;D ;) ;D
Hi Jake,
I had your initials engraved on the face plate. ha! ha! SARS na naman.
cyber
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uy! jake! naka-engraved na pala initials mo!!!
pasyal ba uli tayo kay cybermachine to pickup
the bada amps??? ;D ;D ;D
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naku kakatukin ko muna ang kapitbahay namin para mag lagay na dun sa C40! also thinking first if cyber will also sell me his dynaco pre-amp para terno na with the Bada Amp... grabe nararamdaman ko na naman talagang naka engrave na nga!
whaaa! pangarap ko rin magkaroon ng ganitong preamp... swerte mo naman sir Jazzy Jake
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naku kakatukin ko muna ang kapitbahay namin para mag lagay na dun sa C40! also thinking first if cyber will also sell me his dynaco pre-amp para terno na with the Bada Amp... grabe nararamdaman ko na naman talagang naka engrave na nga!
Oh no! Looks like the Dynaco+Bada 2 channel may be looking for a new home in Sta. Rosa.
cyber
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uy! jake!!! READ THIS !!!
agree na pala si sir rolly sa relocation nung combi !!! ;D ;D ;D
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Mga Sir!
Forgive me for my ignorance....
Just want to know the difference between a SS and a hybrid integrated amp.
Thanks!
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Mga Sir!
Forgive me for my ignorance....
Just want to know the difference between a SS and a hybrid integrated amp.
Thanks!
a hybrid will have tube(s) in them....
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SARS layuan mo ako. :) :-\
I was just planning to get a BADA power amp but now I'm thinking of getting a tube pre-amp as well to pair it with the BADA for two channel stereo set-up.
Hmmm...what good floorstander kaya bagay dito?
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Have visited Theater Works last weekend to auditon this 2 chnl powr amp.
Those guys at the store were really nice as they allowed me to hear it even though
I already told them that I will not going to buy it (for now).
It was hooked to wharf 9.6 and Denon1907 for pre-amp and pio dv300 (or 400 forgot the exact model) ..
I'm not familiar to the CD that they've played.. but when it started to play... wow I really amazed. kayang kaya i-drive yung 9.6 (effortless).. you'll felt the vocals life like, then the music is so warm. hindi siya matalas... I've never heard this 9.6 sounds as good as this. How much more kung nabreak-in na.
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I've never heard this 9.6 sounds as good as this. How much more kung nabreak-in na.
Break-in na naman ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Break-in na naman ;D ;D ;D ;D
nyayyyyy... nayari ako dito ah... cge na nga burn-in pala.... ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Mat,
Sorry medyo OT, does BADA have any preamps? I am sure they do. Will you be bringing them in as well to partner with the power amps?
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nyayyyyy... nayari ako dito ah... cge na nga burn-in pala.... ;D ;D ;D
;D
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Have visited Theater Works last weekend to auditon this 2 chnl powr amp.
Those guys at the store were really nice as they allowed me to hear it even though
I already told them that I will not going to buy it (for now).
It was hooked to wharf 9.6 and Denon1907 for pre-amp and pio dv300 (or 400 forgot the exact model) ..
I'm not familiar to the CD that they've played.. but when it started to play... wow I really amazed. kayang kaya i-drive yung 9.6 (effortless).. you'll felt the vocals life like, then the music is so warm. hindi siya matalas... I've never heard this 9.6 sounds as good as this. How much more kung nabreak-in na.
Kelan natin test sa vintage speaker mo bro? ;)
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Hi Bhonskie,
Yes, Bada has too many products actually, ranging up to jaw dropping high end models :o. Some are for domestic sales only.
For now we only have the PH-1 compact size tube pre-amp with headphone amp function. There are 2 audiophile audio shop owners who are happily using this themselves.
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/PH-1.jpg)
Call you Bada dealer for pricing! :)
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SARS layuan mo ako. Smiley Undecided
I was just planning to get a BADA power amp but now I'm thinking of getting a tube pre-amp as well to pair it with the BADA for two channel stereo set-up.
Hmmm...what good floorstander kaya bagay dito?
we have the same plan of setup. But im looking for a tube preamp with a sub-out sana dunno kung meron ganun pero the only brand i saw who can do this is our AMX.
tried it with a 93db FS no prob playing in high volume and the amp temp is acceptable. I wonder how will it perform with those dynes FS.... ???
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Kelan natin test sa vintage speaker mo bro? ;)
cge, bro sched natin... sent you PM..
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is the sub out of the AMX filtered already ? or this is just an extension of the pre-out ?
we have the same plan of setup. But im looking for a tube preamp with a sub-out sana dunno kung meron ganun pero the only brand i saw who can do this is our AMX.
tried it with a 93db FS no prob playing in high volume and the amp temp is acceptable. I wonder how will it perform with those dynes FS.... ???
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Can Bada design their amps with speaker level inputs (like subwoofers and one of the Musical fidelity amplifiers) this would benefit most if not all low to mid priced recievers since these receivers has not pre-outs and would benefit from an external power amp..
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Yes, but the minimum volume requirement is quite bloody. ;D Costs will increase too.
As long as the market fully supports these amps, that can be possible. As of now we are still at the introductory phase.
Does it mean that it is safer for us to set our receiver to 4 ohms even if we are using an 8 or 6 ohms speakers? Please enlighten us on this, Thanks ??? :)
You just have to follow your receiver's manuals for that.
But in audioholics.com, a high model Yamaha reviewed w/ measurements showed that if placed on 4ohm mode, power is sacrificed, so they recommend using the 8ohm mode with proper ventilation.
Its proof that even $1,000+ models arent built for constant 4 ohm loads, and power amps will really help improve performance, even on $1,000+ mid level receivers! :)
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oo nga - kaya sir Matt, ipa pasok mo na yung 5ch integrated power amp para DVD player nalang ang bihin ;D
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Sirs... may website ba bada? gusto ko sana pag aralan yung specs before ma audition kaso lang hanap ako ng hanap sa google wala masyado kahit man lang sa forums ng ibang bansa except sa headphone amp nila.
thanks
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I think sir Matz already mentioned it somewhere that the Bada website is in chinese.
This may not be complete but when looking at Bada products I look here:
http://www.pacificvalve.us/BADAGallery.html (http://www.pacificvalve.us/BADAGallery.html)
Bada HD22SE Tube cd-player: http://www.pacificvalve.us/BDHD22.html (http://www.pacificvalve.us/BDHD22.html)
BADA DC-222 Hybrid Vacuum Tube Amplifier: http://www.pacificvalve.us/BDC222.html (http://www.pacificvalve.us/BDC222.html)
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Here's the website from a post of sir Matt:
http://www.badahi-fi.com/
Kaso, wala din ako maintindihan eh :P
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Also, the power amps are unique to us. You wont find them in any site except pdvd!
But being a power amp user & believer, I had these specially made for the phils.! The minimum was bloody but I am sure that as long as people dont under estimate these amps (just bec its china made) & audition their performance, these amps will make waves.
Take for example the Hybrid. SGT told me that one of their hardest to please customers (who has millions worth of high end gears) heard the Hybrid at the audio show driving 4ohm flagship speakers. After his 2nd audition, he purchased the hybrid , is using it now with high end gears and even boasted the hybrid to his other high end dealer! think of that!!!
Even if he is a high end user, he didnt under estimate the Bada & auditioned it. So please audition!!!
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oo nga - kaya sir Matt, ipa pasok mo na yung 5ch integrated power amp para DVD player nalang ang bihin ;D
Yes this is my next project. :)
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salamat sa sites. could not understand yung chinese site... baka may pwedeng mag translate but the pacific site is useful :)
WOW sir matz - they designed an amp just for Philippines :) lakas mo talaga sa bada. kakabilib. Pwede ba mag suggest ng all in one unit na receiver 7.1 + DVD player na capable of playing audio grade CD na rin? baka lang pumayag.
where is SGT? ma audition sana. Kwento naman. What higher end million peso amp did the bada beat? galing and thanks.
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WOW sir matz - they designed an amp just for Philippines :) lakas mo talaga sa bada. kakabilib. Pwede ba mag suggest ng all in one unit na receiver 7.1 + DVD player na capable of playing audio grade CD na rin? baka lang pumayag.
where is SGT? ma audition sana. Kwento naman. What higher end million peso amp did the bada beat? galing and thanks.
LOL, read again, I didnt say it beat a million peso amp! I said the user has millions in equipment, not just 1 amp!
They dont do receivers.
Call SGT 8138443. Out of stock hybrids for now.
Malakas? Not really, it cost us a lot to make this project possible :-\. But its something I believe in & I want people to also experience a quality power amped setup but at a lower price. But it was flattering as well, I was told they called out all of BADA's best engineers to create the 5 channel amp, & costs kept escalating as they put in more quality international parts.
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Ahh... sorry. bago pa lang kasi ako d2 kaya didnt know much yet :(
In any case... still amazing pa rin to have bada assign their best engineers to design an amp to your specs :) Di kailangan maging humble dito :) Sorry too di ko alam na di sila gumagawa ng receiver. wish list lang naman yun. in case ma convince mo mga engineers nila. Imagine an all in one na hi-fi product. hehehe galing. Oh at sana 7 channels naman kasi parang outdated na yung 5 channels with all the THX or whatever gimmick na ngayon.
At sorry rin... interpretation ko kasi sa post mo na ito "Take for example the Hybrid. SGT told me that one of their hardest to please customers (who has millions worth of high end gears) heard the Hybrid at the audio show driving 4ohm flagship speakers. After his 2nd audition, he purchased the hybrid , is using it now with high end gears and even boasted the hybrid to his other high end dealer! think of that!!!" natalo yung multi million amp ng iba kaya nga bada hybrid nalang pinapakinggan nung owner kaysa multi million amp niya.
more power to you and bada. galing... pinoy inspired pala yung design :)
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Thanks Matt for your explanation...now I'm really convinced to get the BADA 5.0 amp.
Gotta wait till pay day first :)
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Thanks Matt for your explanation...now I'm really convinced to get the BADA 5.0 amp.
Gotta wait till pay day first :)
Pchin. Put an amp per speaker then bi-wire. :o :o :o :o
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Pchin. Put an amp per speaker then bi-wire. :o :o :o :o
The problem with my receiver is I can only select either to have it bi-wire or to have the surround back channel (7.1). I can't have both. Since I'm watching movies 90% of my time, I set it to 7.1 :-[
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more power to you and bada. galing... pinoy inspired pala yung design :)
Thanks bro. The Sabre Elite series racks are also pinoy design. ;)
The problem with my receiver is I can only select either to have it bi-wire or to have the surround back channel (7.1). I can't have both. Since I'm watching movies 90% of my time, I set it to 7.1 :-[
Thanks Paul. Ernie means use the 5 channel amp for bi-amping (if your speaker is biwirable/has 4 binding posts).
1.) You can let the receiver handle the 4 surrounds
2.) Remove grounding pin of the speakers or it will short your amp (very important!)
3.) then use the front L&R output of your power amp for the LF of your speaker
4.) then use the rear/surround L&R output to power your speaker's HF
5.) W/ BADA's 2 internal power supplies (separate for L&R, spearate for C, SR, SL), you have individual sources of power for both!!! This multi power supply design is found on 100+k amps!
this is great for hard to drive speakers or very large rooms...like Ernie's mansion! :D
Oh at sana 7 channels naman kasi parang
Use TWO 5 channel amps and bi-amp all 3 fronts! Then the remaining 4 channels for surrounds! ;D
di ka naman talo sa cost! ;D
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Use TWO 5 channel amps and bi-amp all 3 fronts! Then the remaining 4 channels for surrounds! ;D
di ka naman talo sa cost! ;D
hmmmmmm...... 8)
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Galing si matzer talaga. :) TWO THUMBS UP!
Sir... just curious engineer ka siguro no :) dapat gawin ka consultant ng bada nalang. Charge mo sila ng mataas for design fee hehehe ;D ala mark levinson ka na sobrang yaman.
Sobrang helpful yung mga tips mo. I just learned na pwede pala bi-amp kahit sa HT. Question. bakit di nalang nila gawin 7 channel or 9 channel yung amp kasi yun naman uso ngayon diba. More power po.
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Sir... just curious engineer ka siguro no :) dapat gawin ka consultant ng bada nalang. Charge mo sila ng mataas for design fee hehehe ;D ala mark levinson ka na sobrang yaman.
Sobrang helpful yung mga tips mo. I just learned na pwede pala bi-amp kahit sa HT. Question. bakit di nalang nila gawin 7 channel or 9 channel yung amp kasi yun naman uso ngayon diba. More power po.
Not an engineer, just a HT enthusiast & power amp believer trying to bring HiFi to a more affordable level for our performance driven people. I believe in the objectivist principle that you can enjoy this hobby w/o spending an arm & a leg.
I wanted to name my son Mark Levinson pero nag away kami ni missis! ;D
Like I said, the minimum was bloody. So had to choose the most common req'ment.
hmmmmmm...... 8)
Yes, & its very powerful since:
the power supply for the center that shares w/ the surrounds are separate! Since the HF (hi freq) uses less power, combine them accordingly to the LF or surround channel:
POWER AMP 1:
L&R--> L&R LF
C--> center HF
SL&SR--> surround L&R
*since surround LR is more active, combine w/ less power HF of center!
POWER AMP 2:
L&R--> L&R HF
C--> center LF
SL&SR--> SBL&SBR
*since SBL & SBR are less demanding, use the LF for the center!
All the juice you want for a high end experience!!!
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this is great for hard to drive speakers or very large rooms...like Ernie's mansion! :D
Use TWO 5 channel amps and bi-amp all 3 fronts! Then the remaining 4 channels for surrounds! ;D
Wow...great idea...the combined cost of two BADA amp is still much lower than a branded pow amp! :)
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Here's the website from a post of sir Matt:
http://www.badahi-fi.com/
Kaso, wala din ako maintindihan eh :P
eto translated na
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=zh_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.badahi-fi.com (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=zh_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.badahi-fi.com)
pero di ko pa rin maintindihan ;D
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Wow...great idea...the combined cost of two BADA amp is still much lower than a branded pow amp! :)
NOW THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG!!!! You will hear your speakers sing you never heard it before. TRY IT,I SWEAR YOU WILL NEVER GO BACK.LOTS OF OOOMMMPPPPS & AAAAHHHHH!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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eto translated na
pero di ko pa rin maintindihan ;D
LOL, I cant understand it myself!
Most of the products are not for export, btw.
NOW THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG!!!! You will hear your speakers sing you never heard it before. TRY IT,I SWEAR YOU WILL NEVER GO BACK.LOTS OF OOOMMMPPPPS & AAAAHHHHH!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Break in na ba? :D
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matz, wala ka bang SRP list?
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The dealers have it bro. I have posted their numbers.
I had a problem posting prices- sometimes an individual will insist to death on prices that have been posted here 2 years ago & quote this thread. And a price increase is beyond the understanding of these people. It presents difficulty for the dealers. So I have learned not to post the prices here. :)
Anyway, they are just a phone call away. :)
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eto translated na
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=zh_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.badahi-fi.com (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=zh_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.badahi-fi.com)
pero di ko pa rin maintindihan ;D
This site is a joke hahaha. natawa ako nung basahin. may binebenta na gallbladder si bada? hehehe. sir matz dapat kunin ka nila interpreter rin aside from amp designer :) tawagan mo kaya. :P
Sana gumastos naman si bada ng konti sa translator. world class company naman sila diba?
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This site is a joke hahaha. natawa ako nung basahin. may binebenta na gallbladder si bada? hehehe. sir matz dapat kunin ka nila interpreter rin aside from amp designer :) tawagan mo kaya. :P
Sana gumastos naman si bada ng konti sa translator. world class company naman sila diba?
We cant blame them, its their domestic website. They only started to export outside China just a few years ago. Patience lang. & nothing beats audition :)
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Sir Matt,
Mukang naramdaman ko rin yung pinost nyo sa thread about yung first time when you heard the Bada - para bang gusto nyo itapon sa bintana? :D ;D
A few days ago nasa HiFi Lounge ako & they have a new fresh Bada SS - sabi ko, paki audition naman. Speakers used were PSB Image series B25s..... di ko nagustuhan :P
Kaya dun sa mga mag-aaudition, do take into consideration that these amps do take time to properly break-in before they sound the best.
Baka kasi, after nyo marinig yung fresh na fresh na Bada, eh di nyo ma type ::)
But i dont blame the dealers din, kasi sometimes bago lang talaga ang pwede nila ipa-audition sa customer eh.
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This site is a joke hahaha. natawa ako nung basahin. may binebenta na gallbladder si bada? hehehe. sir matz dapat kunin ka nila interpreter rin aside from amp designer :) tawagan mo kaya. :P
Sana gumastos naman si bada ng konti sa translator. world class company naman sila diba?
They don't have an English site. The site was just translated through Babelfish.
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They don't have an English site. The site was just translated through Babelfish.
Yes alam ko na translated by alta vista yung site. nakakatawa lang yung translation. all i wanted to say is nakakatawa lang.
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Sir Matt,
Mukang naramdaman ko rin yung pinost nyo sa thread about yung first time when you heard the Bada - para bang gusto nyo itapon sa bintana? :D ;D
A few days ago nasa HiFi Lounge ako & they have a new fresh Bada SS - sabi ko, paki audition naman. Speakers used were PSB Image series B25s..... di ko nagustuhan :P
Kaya dun sa mga mag-aaudition, do take into consideration that these amps do take time to properly break-in before they sound the best.
Baka kasi, after nyo marinig yung fresh na fresh na Bada, eh di nyo ma type ::)
But i dont blame the dealers din, kasi sometimes bago lang talaga ang pwede nila ipa-audition sa customer eh.
Yes sir! And its not financially feasible for every dealer (or us) to break in every unit. thats why we left a break in SS integrated for audition at S&S Shang.
Sir Ernie also complained of harshness at first for his THREE stereo amps. Here is his post now:
NOW THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG!!!! You will hear your speakers sing you never heard it before. TRY IT,I SWEAR YOU WILL NEVER GO BACK.LOTS OF OOOMMMPPPPS & AAAAHHHHH!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks sir.
Sir Ernie is a Rotel 1066 user btw.
Same belief here, once you go power amps, you will never go back.
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The dealers have it bro. I have posted their numbers.
I had a problem posting prices- sometimes an individual will insist to death on prices that have been posted here 2 years ago & quote this thread. And a price increase is beyond the understanding of these people. It presents difficulty for the dealers. So I have learned not to post the prices here. :)
Anyway, they are just a phone call away. :)
thanks matz. haha. my fingers are tired of walking. ;D
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Break in na ba? :D
[/quote]Di pa masyado. Pero maganda future as per my opinion.
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Sir Ernie is a Rotel 1066 user btw.
Same belief here, once you go power amps, you will never go back.
[/quote]I have the same experience when i have my rotel1066 in bridge mode, i F!@#$$%%^^&&&K the amp. But after a while it blossom, di nakuntento bumili ng 3 Bada para masubukan ang triple power. Any one interested to buy my 3 BREAK IN Power AMP. Mas mahal sa original price kasi bayad din ako kuryente. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Finally got the 5-channel amp na. Will setup this Sun. :)
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Finally got the 5-channel amp na. Will setup this Sun. :)
sleepless night ahead,my friend. :) :) :) :)
Congratulation!!! I'l bet you will get another set. POWER OF 2
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sleepless night ahead,my friend. :) :) :) :)
Congratulation!!! I'l bet you will get another set. POWER OF 2
Ang lakas mo mangbuyo ernie ;D
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sleepless night ahead,my friend. :) :) :) :) Congratulation!!!
I'l bet you will get another set. POWER OF 2
Thanks Ernie....yes you're right but guess my wife will have twice as more sleepless night as me... ;D
We'll see about the bet... :P
Go go go paul ;)
This is all Ricky's fault! Got a long lecture from wife! :D
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Ang lakas mo mangbuyo ernie ;D
Hindi. Tinuturuan lan natin yun daan patungon Separate.Hahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
B.T.W. Sabi pala ng beautiful wife ni Pchin huwag na huwag kan pupunta sa kanila. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Pati pala si Matz daw,Siya kasi may pasimuno nito.
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Finally got the 5-channel amp na. Will setup this Sun. :)
congrats Sir ;) i am in the process of breaking in mine and it is slowly evolving ;D confident that it will sound a lot better after the break-in/burn-in. no regrets with my purchase ;D
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Thanks Ernie....yes you're right but guess my wife will have twice as more sleepless night as me... ;D
We'll see about the bet... :P
This is all Ricky's fault! Got a long lecture from wife! :D
;D Just make it up to your wife paul, 12 dozen of roses will surely do the trick ;)
Hindi. Tinuturuan lan natin yun daan patungon Separate.Hahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
B.T.W. Sabi pala ng beautiful wife ni Pchin huwag na huwag kan pupunta sa kanila. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Pati pala si Matz daw,Siya kasi may pasimuno nito.
Its not me she should watch out for ::) ;D She should watch out for MUNSKIE,STREETSMART and ALVINTHX, these guys are the baddest among the batch ;D after the ht trip they made,ayun na si paul ;D ;D ;D
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Could you Pm me SRP of the 2-channel hybrid amplifier. BTW, i may have missed it but I didn't see a pic..
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Could you Pm me SRP of the 2-channel hybrid amplifier. BTW, i may have missed it but I didn't see a pic..
same here, srp and pics pls.
tnx
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Could you Pm me SRP of the 2-channel hybrid amplifier. BTW, i may have missed it but I didn't see a pic..
Sir the hybrid is an integrated amp.
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DC222HD-22.jpg)
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diba mas maganda separates sir matz?
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Yes, the secret lies w/ the power supply sharing on the pre-amp & power amp section.
But this mid end hybrid integrated has a separate power supply for the pre-amp and the power section. High end bada models can have up to 4 power supplies.
Thanks for asking, I forgot to mention this! :)
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NP... kaya mas maganda kuha nalang ng power amp at isang pre-amp o receiver kaysa hybrid na integrated? clarify lang po
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Hi Matz,
You always mention "break-in" of these amps to get its full sound potential. So how do we really burn-in these amps and for how long? Is there any special "ritual" to follow for proper burn-in? Does this also applies to other amps and AVRs like Yamaha, Dennon, Onkyo, etc?
Thanks.
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Very price friendly. Just called the numbers posted.
Matz can you post a pic of their 2-ch model? Not the hybrid one which was already posted. TIA
Just curious about the origins of the name. Because there's a 30-yr old BADA in the UK, that's the British Audio Dealer's Association. http://www.bada.org/ Also the British American Drama Academy. http://www.badaonline.com/about.html
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Very price friendly. Just called the numbers posted.
Matz can you post a pic of their 2-ch model? Not the hybrid one which was already posted. TIA
Chief, nasa page 1 po - first post. ;)
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That's the integrated and hybrid 2-ch and 5-ch amps posted on page 1. I wanted to see the 2-ch power amp with this specs in Matz's second post.
BADA 2 channel power amp
2x130w @ 8ohms
Torroidal transformer
detachable power cord
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Sir AV, the 2 channel looks the same as the 5 channel the difference lang sa back is mas maganda yata yung binding post nung 2 channel ;) Before saw na the picture of the 2 channel here sa forum just can't remember kung saan thread. I think may na post na din si Sir Matt ng picture of the inside.
pahiram na lang ng picture ni sir stipen22 with his 2 ch Bada Amps
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9232/dsc00904sn8.jpg)
eto naman galing sa post ni Sir Matt although i think black din yung 2 channel
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/800front.jpg)
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Nice and clean. Thanks Vtec3. I asked because if ever I am in the market for a stereo power amp, I might be agonizing between this and the well-reviewed Behringer A500 in terms of performance. They belong to the same price and power range. But i find the behringer front panel quite baduy. ;D
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Saw the Bada 2-channel amp. at Trinoma last friday night they even let me audition the unit paired with Denon 1907 and Wharf 9 series Floorstander. Ganda ng built quality but since dipa sya broken-in cant say much about what i've heard. Sir Matz, is it possible to take home the unit for home audition using my own gear? say one weekend? Can you also post internal of this unit.
Thanks
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any chance for a peek inside? perhaps a side by side photo with the beringher would be nice..... ;D
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any chance for a peek inside? perhaps a side by side photo with the beringher would be nice..... ;D
magpakitaan ng looban hahaha :P Hubad mga amps
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So how do we really burn-in these amps and for how long? Is there any special "ritual" to follow for proper burn-in? Does this also applies to other amps and AVRs like Yamaha, Dennon, Onkyo, etc?
I didnt notice any need for burn in for receivers. But my experience with the Bada's is that you need to use em for awhile for them to sound their best. I almost threw my first hybrid test unit out the window but it was heavenly after a month of use. The next guy who auditioned it didnt return the unit (bayad na lang). Maybe it was the tubes?
Please pardon me as I dont have any scientific explanation for those who do not believe in break in & scientific basis :-\, but all I can do is to recommend it and hear it for yourself.
Just leave your amp on at low volumes with a CD or tuner for a week.
Just curious about the origins of the name. Because there's a 30-yr old BADA in the UK, that's the British Audio Dealer's Association. http://www.bada.org/ Also the British American Drama Academy. http://www.badaonline.com/about.html
Sir, European BADA has nothing to do with the brand name. The BADA name was derived from Chinese words. bad-@$$ (joke) ;D
Saw the Bada 2-channel amp. at Trinoma last friday night they even let me audition the unit paired with Denon 1907 and Wharf 9 series Floorstander. Ganda ng built quality but since dipa sya broken-in cant say much about what i've heard. Sir Matz, is it possible to take home the unit for home audition using my own gear? say one weekend? Can you also post internal of this unit.
Thanks
thanks Bro, but home audition is not w/in my powers ;D. It depends on the dealer, and pls understand them if they cannot allow it, as the meager price suggests (if it was a high end amp with high profit, its another thing) . But I will try to cook something up for this.
any chance for a peek inside? perhaps a side by side photo with the beringher would be nice..... ;D
I will try to get a picture but I think Stipen22 has already posted an internal picture somewhere.
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Just for comparison and reference:
Ooopps... sorry.... Had to remove it. pics ng Integrated stereo amps pala na-post ko ;D
Anyway, may mga pics sa Page 1 pero fronts/backs lang, no inside pics. I'll still retain the Behringer pics for comparison. :D
Behringer A-500: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=77959 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=77959)
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(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/nfalabi/a500internal1.jpg)
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/nfalabi/a500powerampboard1.jpg)
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/nfalabi/A500_back1.jpg)
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Thanks Threadlock:
2 channel amp picture:
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DC-200front.jpg)
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Back of DC-220 power amp. Gonna love those binding post! :D
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2035/dsc00880en5.jpg)
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The BADA name was derived from Chinese words. bad-@$$ (joke)
hindi kaya "BADAp"? as in bading?....... ;) ;D
Gonna love those binding post!
fyi, these binding posts can be purchased at Golden Mars in raon...... ;D
I dont have any scientific explanation for those who do not believe in break in & scientific basis
then please do not keep repeating them, baka maraming maniwala! ;D
if any salesman tries to sell me goods saying i have to wait one month "out of the box" before i can enjoy it, i run away fast. 8) ;)
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Behringer A-500: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=77959 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=77959)
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(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/nfalabi/a500internal1.jpg)
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/nfalabi/a500powerampboard1.jpg)
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/nfalabi/A500_back1.jpg)
Nice internals. Just lives to its professional reference grade reputation. And it's rack mountable from the back pala. With balanced XLR inputs. I hope behringer comes out with a simpler front panel though. ;D
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then please do not keep repeating them, baka maraming maniwala! ;D
Careful Tony, you'd be ruffling a lot of feathers.
if any salesman tries to sell me goods saying i have to wait one month "out of the box" before i can enjoy it, i run away fast. 8) ;)
He he. ;D Same here.
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if any salesman tries to sell me goods saying i have to wait one month "out of the box" before i can enjoy it, i run away fast. 8) ;)
There are many other examples:
1. After firing some rounds, a new gun will work better & smoother. (specially that new mag!)
2. Darn. Even my PS3 controller joystick is getting easier to press & control over time. :P
3. My new jean, after several wash the fabric feels really nice. ::)
4. I'm sure you can add some more in the list. ;D
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fyi, these binding posts can be purchased at Golden Mars in raon...... ;D
You havent seen it personally, have you? :D
Fyi, the quality is different. I have those Raon binding posts from Golden Mars from a DIY T-amp project, its flimsy & its a cheap imitation. They didnt even last a month and the plastic was removed from the metal binding posts- w/c looks like plastic coated to look like gold, btw.. ;)
then please do not keep repeating them, baka maraming maniwala! ;D
Pardon me if my statement wasnt clear, but I dont recall saying it will take a month or you cant enjoy your amp out of the box. I just said it will sound better after a week or so.
Like they say, objectivists & subjectivists will never meet. Lets just put the break in thing to rest & let the buyers experience it themselves.
Lets not over complicate things or just take obj-subj debates elsewhere to other threads. :)
peace bros! ;)
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You havent seen it personally, have you?
of course i have seen it, i am heading there this week to get some more.... ;D
let the buyers experience it themselves
precisely my point, glad you see it that way... ;D ........that's all i need to hear from you.... ;D
Kong Hei Fat Choy......... :D ;D
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Just for comparison and reference:
Ooopps... sorry.... Had to remove it. pics ng Integrated stereo amps pala na-post ko ;D
Anyway, may mga pics sa Page 1 pero fronts/backs lang, no inside pics. I'll still retain the Behringer pics for comparison. :D
Behringer A-500: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=77959 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=77959)
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(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/nfalabi/a500internal1.jpg)
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/nfalabi/a500powerampboard1.jpg)
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/nfalabi/A500_back1.jpg)
i just got the schematics for these amps, and from what i got, these amps are indeed cloned from QSC amps, the topology reminds me of the "Kinetics" line of power amps sold locally by Phasetron in the 80's...although the Phasetron amps were much simpler than the Beringher.... ;D
for those interested, fire me an email and i will forward the schematic to you.... ;D
i wonder how the BADA schematic looks like..... ;D
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You havent seen it personally, have you? :D
Fyi, the quality is different. I have those Raon binding posts from Golden Mars from a DIY T-amp project, its flimsy & its a cheap imitation. They didnt even last a month and the plastic was removed from the metal binding posts- w/c looks like plastic coated to look like gold, btw.. ;)
Pardon me if my statement wasnt clear, but I dont recall saying it will take a month or you cant enjoy your amp out of the box. I just said it will sound better after a week or so.
Like they say, objectivists & subjectivists will never meet. Lets just put the break in thing to rest & let the buyers experience it themselves.
Lets not over complicate things or just take obj-subj debates elsewhere to other threads. :)
peace bros! ;)
as ive said over and over---- never shall the twain meet ;D
kaya nga nag-open ako ng thread -
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=47380.0
hindi kaya "BADAp"? as in bading?....... ;) ;D
fyi, these binding posts can be purchased at Golden Mars in raon...... ;D
then please do not keep repeating them, baka maraming maniwala! ;D
if any salesman tries to sell me goods saying i have to wait one month "out of the box" before i can enjoy it, i run away fast. 8) ;)
musta bakasyon comrade tonyt? oh yes the good old golden mars - source of audio accessories that you can pass off as expensive and sell to unaware people at outrageous price. baka nandiyan lang sa tabi-tabi raon o k gerry etc ang mga rekado...
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BADA 5 channel amp 30 day money back guarantee will be available for 3 people.
non nego, 5 channel amp only, other amps arent included.
Please call SGT 8138443 and leave your name, contact number and tell them what speakers & receiver you use. 3 candidates will be chosen from those who will call.
Full SRP price only.
If it doesnt make a difference in your setup after 30 days, just return it in fully mint conition to SGT.
After the 30 days there will be some price adjustments.
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BADA 5 channel amp 30 day money back guarantee will be available for 3 people.
non nego, 5 channel amp only, other amps arent included.
Please call SGT 8138443 and leave your name, contact number and tell them what speakers & receiver you use. 3 candidates will be chosen from those who will call.
Full SRP price only.
If it doesnt make a difference in your setup after 30 days, just return it in fully mint conition to SGT.
After the 30 days there will be some price adjustments.
Pare hindi kaya sayang lang yun offer mo kasi yung mga inggitero wala talaga pambili kahit hulugan hindi non kaya :( That's CRAB mentality in action na instead of support eh pangmamaliit ang ginagawa sa fellow members pa :'( Hindi mo ba halata na wala ng magandang gears ang pinuri nila,pati nga hd players sinabihan na walang silbi ;D Yan ang experts,kasi sila lang magaling thru reading nga lang at hindi through actual experience ;D ;D ;D
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Pare hindi kaya sayang lang yun offer mo kasi yung mga inggitero wala talaga pambili kahit hulugan hindi non kaya :( That's CRAB mentality in action na instead of support eh pangmamaliit ang ginagawa sa fellow members pa :'( Hindi mo ba halata na wala ng magandang gears ang pinuri nila,pati nga hd players sinabihan na walang silbi ;D Yan ang experts,kasi sila lang magaling thru reading nga lang at hindi through actual experience ;D ;D ;D
sir ricky,
oucchhhhh.. ang talim ng statement mo ah, mukhang di ka na makatiis na manahimik lang.. ;D ;D ;D
bakit kasi hindi na lang magrespetuhan ng kanya kanyang opinion at wala ng tirahan.
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sir ricky,
oucchhhhh.. ang talim ng statement mo ah, mukhang di ka na makatiis na manahimik lang.. ;D ;D ;D
bakit kasi hindi na lang magrespetuhan ng kanya kanyang opinion at wala ng tirahan.
Sorry bro, I hope hindi ka tinamaan ;D aSONG MATAHOL HINDI NANGANGAGAT ;D Dinadaan sa edad kasi hahahah,mag rosario na lang kayo ;)
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Basta ako, basa-basa lang sa thread na 'to, hehehe parang tele-novela ;D
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There are many other examples:
1. After firing some rounds, a new gun will work better & smoother. (specially that new mag!)
2. Darn. Even my PS3 controller joystick is getting easier to press & control over time. :P
3. My new jean, after several wash the fabric feels really nice. ::)
4. I'm sure you can add some more in the list. ;D
5. Yeah ! I remember my girlfriend told me she didnt enjoy it when we did it the first time :) :) joke ! ! ! Now she loves doing it with the other guys ! ! !
ha ha ha ! ::)
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5. Yeah ! I remember my girlfriend told me she didnt enjoy it when we did it the first time :) :) joke ! ! ! Now she's loves doing it with the other guys ! ! !
ha ha ha ! ::)
Nice one Bro ;D ;D ;D
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for those interested, fire me an email and i will forward the schematic to you.... ;D
i wonder how the BADA schematic looks like..... ;D
Hmm , do these 2 statements sound like a veiled threat to anyone? :D ;)
Survey tayo? ;)
Wazzup w/ the heat, sir TonyT ? :-*
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Dang! I need some popcorn! :D ;D
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hmmm...
valentine or summer? ::)
buwan ng mga puso pero parang kailangan ata ng Sunblock ah... ::)
paging... kupido!
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ahmmmm...anong meron dito? :D
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Panay surplus siguro gamit nyan, lahat break in na! Kaya di sya naniniwala sa break in!
Hay naku, kakasuka crab mentality!
Isuka mga talangka! ISUKA!
Salot sa lipunan!
bakit kasi hindi na lang magrespetuhan ng kanya kanyang opinion at wala ng tirahan.
Wag kang magsalita ng ganyan! May KARAPATAN sya bilang nakakaTANDA sa ating lahat na mambastos ng kung sinuman gusto nya! harharhar
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Sorry bro, I hope hindi ka tinamaan ;D aSONG MATAHOL HINDI NANGANGAGAT ;D Dinadaan sa edad kasi hahahah,mag rosario na lang kayo ;)
no need to say sorry,hindi naman ako tinatamaan eh... ;) ;)
SUGGESTION LANG PO... Bakit di na lang mag organize ng EB.... sarap pag usapan 'to habang may toma.. ;D ;D
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Panay surplus siguro gamit nyan, lahat break in na! Kaya di sya naniniwala sa break in!
Hay naku, kakasuka crab mentality!
Isuka mga talangka! ISUKA!
Salot sa lipunan!
Wag kang magsalita ng ganyan! May KARAPATAN sya bilang nakakaTANDA sa ating lahat na mambastos ng kung sinuman gusto nya! harharhar
Matalim ka rin ah... Tara inuman na lang tayo... hahahaha ;D ;D
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Hmm , do these 2 statements sound like a veiled threat to anyone? :D ;)
Survey tayo? ;)
Wazzup w/ the heat, sir TonyT ? :-*
MAtZTER,
please do not get me wrong, i do not see how two statements could be a threat, ;D i got those schematics from a fellow member at diyaudio.com with explicit request to pass them on to whoever wants them, that is all there is to it...... ;D
i apologize if i rub you the wrong way.....
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musta bakasyon comrade tonyt? .
sorry for the OT:
i am here till the 28th, temperatures at Sahkalin goes down to -27*C in the mornings, will be better when i go back i hope..... ;D
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5. Yeah ! I remember my girlfriend told me she didnt enjoy it....
Geez...that's gross but nevertheless it's a good example & bull's eye.
Hopefully this example is easier for someone who is having a hard time to understand. LOL ;D
Joke aside, I got my BADA amplifier 5-channel recently & never been more happy considering the good performance & affordable cost factors. Never judge a book by its cover. :D
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kung hei fatchoy happy chinese new year to all !
year of the rat !
PEACE to all audio/video hobbyists objectivists subjectivists activists watever... ;D ;D ;D
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Geez...that's gross but nevertheless it's a good example & bull's eye.
Hopefully this example is easier for someone who is having a hard time to understand. LOL ;D
Joke aside, I got my BADA amplifier 5-channel recently & never been more happy considering the good performance & affordable cost factors. Never judge a book by its cover. :D
Hell yeah ! ! ! Im talking about ..................................Ballroom dancing ! ! ! ;D ;D ;D
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Hey guys, I am trying to run a promo here, stop turning the thread into a circus! LOL :D ;D
ear: that was hilarious! :D
please do not get me wrong, i do not see how two statements could be a threat,
No need to apologize sir, as long as you see it that way........that's all i need to hear from you.... ;D
Kong Hei Fat Choy......... :D ;D
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Geez...that's gross but nevertheless it's a good example & bull's eye.
Hopefully this example is easier for someone who is having a hard time to understand. LOL ;D
Joke aside, I got my BADA amplifier 5-channel recently & never been more happy considering the good performance & affordable cost factors. Never judge a book by its cover. :D
This i witnessed!!! Pchin was grinning from ear to ear halos di ko na makita mata nya last Saturday. A face of a satisfied man... Pchin hows d biamping? It must be rocking hard!!!!!sleepless night ahead of you
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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Bada5ch.jpg)
budget wonder: Bada 5 channel amp plus Denon 1907, powering B&W Matrix speakers in a 50+sqm den in Forbes Park. low cost, high power!
Will fix the rack soon! ;D
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A face of a satisfied man... Pchin hows d biamping? It must be rocking hard!!!!!sleepless night ahead of you
I'm as happy as a bee! Ever since I got the BADA pow amp my time usage is 80% music & 20% movies...yes lots of sleepless nights. ;D
You're the man Ernie for having three BADA pow amp! :o Let me know in case you decide to let go one yeah? ::)
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looks like the marble floor spilled over the loudspeakers ???
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Bada5ch.jpg)
budget wonder: Bada 5 channel amp plus Denon 1907, powering B&W Matrix speakers in a 50+sqm den in Forbes Park. low cost, high power!
Will fix the rack soon! ;D
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looks like the marble floor spilled over the loudspeakers ???
Hehe! ;D
Very nice optical illusion. Nagulat din ako. E plastic supot lang yun, e! ;D
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have you guys seen this? ;D ;D http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/aplhifi/uas1.html
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have you guys seen this? ;D ;D http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/aplhifi/uas1.html
Mukang ok 'to ;)
How much kaya dito sa pinas yan pag naging available dito?
...paging sir Matz :)
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alam ko available yung stock hybrid dito, 28k ata. This one is modded by APL hi-fi and will be selling to hi-end clients. He noted that in stock form its a very good design. ;D
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This hybrid is available now at SGT Home Theater, Sights & Sounds and soon at HiFi Lounge Alabang.
Sorry but price of the new batch is not 28k (old batch, maybe) due to added pre outs & other cost implications. Please call dealers for pricing.
Limited stock only.
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Sir Matt - nakuha na ba po lahat ng amp for your 30-day money back guarantee? 3 slots lang ata.....
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5 channel amp only.
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5 channel amp only.
Yes sir, 5ch nga. Sorry, seems I forgot to mention it in my previous post.
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Sir Matt - nakuha na ba po lahat ng amp for your 30-day money back guarantee? 3 slots lang ata.....
Sana forever na yung 30 day money back guarantee. parang sa states o TV shopping diba hehehe. Kung maganda naman produkto di wala naman babalik. just an idea ;)
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Sana forever na yung 30 day money back guarantee. parang sa states o TV shopping diba hehehe. Kung maganda naman produkto di wala naman babalik. just an idea ;)
We're not sure about that, kasi baka isabotage lang ng mga inggitero ;D ::) ;D Plus very small margin lang si matz sa mga products nya kasi mas habol nya yung volume rather than profit ;) instik kasi di bale singko tubo basta million piraso ikaw bili ;D ;D ;D
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does a power amp just boost power? sorry for the noob Q
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We're not sure about that, kasi baka isabotage lang ng mga inggitero ;D ::) ;D Plus very small margin lang si matz sa mga products nya kasi mas habol nya yung volume rather than profit ;) instik kasi di bale singko tubo basta million piraso ikaw bili ;D ;D ;D
Racist! ;D Pinoy po ako.
Sana forever na yung 30 day money back guarantee. parang sa states o TV shopping diba hehehe. Kung maganda naman produkto di wala naman babalik. just an idea ;)
We neither have the margins nor the volume of the U.S. So we need everyone's understanding & reasonableness for this & for those asking for home auditions. If you are home auditioning a 300k peso Krell, maybe it is a must.
does a power amp just boost power? sorry for the noob Q
Sir, please click the spoiler on page 1, post #2 Why power amps?
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hehehe racist nga. :P pero may point sya. Kasi mas mahirap yung mga tao dito. mas maraming mag take advantage. Just look at our gov.
pero seems that good friends talaga kayo ni sir ricky.
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hehehe racist nga. :P pero may point sya. Kasi mas mahirap yung mga tao dito. mas maraming mag take advantage. Just look at our gov.
pero seems that good friends talaga kayo ni sir ricky.
Hindi masyado :( galit ako sa mga bejo eh ;D
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newbie question:
since i'm still lost and confused while saving for the right av receiver to buy, will i be able to use the BADA 5 channel amp without any av receivers for now (i.e. connect my pio dvd 600 directly to this map) and perhaps pair it w/ a 2.0 speaker for the time being. is this possible?
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The BADA 5ch is a power amp that requires a preamp. A receiver's pre-outs will do the job. But you can still connect your player's analog output to the amp provided it has an output playback control to serve as your volume control. Power amps do not have volume controls except a few that have a gain control. The Bada power amp doesn't have one. And the player's output won't be able to drive the amp to its rated power. IOW, you'd be underdriving the amp, though you can still have sufficient sound levels to fill the room. Many pundits do this with CD players if they want to dedicate the player to the amp since you'd have no input selection capability. Most CD players have output voltage levels at or above 1VRMS range that can already drive a power amp to its rated output power. OTOH, DVD players generally are designed with a lower output voltage in consideration of the higher dynamic range of DVD materials over CDs. In short, you can, but don't expect the power amp to give its fullest power.
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Hindi masyado :( galit ako sa mga bejo eh ;D
hehehe racist nga. si sir matz made in china rin? ;D
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what if my current set-up is a 7.1, and while the bada amp is only 5 channel, what speakers will i connect to the amp? and the remaining speakers sa receiver na lang?
does the onkyo 604 have pre-outs? if none, short of buying a new receiver, anything i can do to use the power amp?
thanks
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what if my current set-up is a 7.1, and while the bada amp is only 5 channel, what speakers will i connect to the amp? and the remaining speakers sa receiver na lang?
I'm also having a 7.1 setup. I'm using my BADA amp for my center, front left & front right speakers. Both my front speakers are bi-wired. Yup, the remaining speakers sa receiver. :)
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I'm also having a 7.1 setup. I'm using my BADA amp for my center, front left & front right speakers. Both my front speakers are bi-wired. Yup, the remaining speakers sa receiver. :)
for my HT, my front speakers are not bi-wire able, so will i just put my surround in the amp?
however my AUDIO speakers are bi-wire able... so is it better to get a 5.1 channel amp and bi-wire them?
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pero seems that good friends talaga kayo ni sir ricky.
He moves on his own principles & beliefs. Hindi plastik yan. And I never ask him to post anything for me, unlike others na halata na. hahaha ;)
hehehe racist nga. si sir matz made in china rin? ;D
Proudly Phillipine made. :D
Dont mind him, he is just a joker. He is nice in person, he's just intolerant of some behaviour in this forum.
what if my current set-up is a 7.1, and while the bada amp is only 5 channel, what speakers will i connect to the amp? and the remaining speakers sa receiver na lang?
does the onkyo 604 have pre-outs? if none, short of buying a new receiver, anything i can do to use the power amp?
thanks
Yes, and like sir Pchin, you can have an option to bi-amp your fronts (great for those multi-woofer floorstanders), since his receiver is a higher model one. But for lower model receivers with pre-outs, its more advisable to use the 5 channels for 5 speakers.
Sadly sir, the 604 doent have pre outs. :'( Onkyo only has pre outs on the 700 series models.
for my HT, my front speakers are not bi-wire able, so will i just put my surround in the amp?
however my AUDIO speakers are bi-wire able... so is it better to get a 5.1 channel amp and bi-wire them?
Yes for the amps, and for audio, the 5 channel can be an option, or just get 2 sets of 2 channel amps or an integrated plus a 2 channel amp. Almost the same cost, better specs, but more space needed. Its a good recommendation for more power hungry speakers like B&W's, 9.6, etc.
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Yes for the amps, and for audio, the 5 channel can be an option, or just get 2 sets of 2 channel amps or an integrated plus a 2 channel amp. Almost the same cost, better specs, but more space needed. Its a good recommendation for more power hungry speakers like B&W's, 9.6, etc.
i have the focal 707's with a 92db sensitivity, what would be better to bi-wire them with? a 5 channel or the 2 sets of amps or an integrated plus a 2 channel?
but wouldn't a 5 channel amp provide more flexibility than getting 2 sets of 2 channels? or is it the other way around? getting 2 sets of 2 channels is more flexible?
thanks.
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Is the hybrid amp still available?where can I audition it.
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DC222HD-22.jpg)
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Is the hybrid amp still available?where can I audition it.
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DC222HD-22.jpg)
Available for audition at SGT Home Theater 8138443 and Sights & Sounds, Shangrila Mall 6341789.
i have the focal 707's with a 92db sensitivity, what would be better to bi-wire them with? a 5 channel or the 2 sets of amps or an integrated plus a 2 channel?
but wouldn't a 5 channel amp provide more flexibility than getting 2 sets of 2 channels? or is it the other way around? getting 2 sets of 2 channels is more flexible?
thanks.
You mentioned audio use so I suggested the 2 stereo amps, but for HT use, the 5 channel will also be good for bi-amping, since it has dual power supplies .
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newbie question:
since i'm still lost and confused while saving for the right av receiver to buy, will i be able to use the BADA 5 channel amp without any av receivers for now (i.e. connect my pio dvd 600 directly to this map) and perhaps pair it w/ a 2.0 speaker for the time being. is this possible?
You need an integrated 5 channel power amp. We only have a prototype for now but after I have evaluated its performance with a Pioneer DV-600, expect this to hit the shelves by mid year as another high performance, value for money offering from Bada! :)
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You need an integrated 5 channel power amp. We only have a prototype for now but after I have evaluated its performance with a Pioneer DV-600, expect this to hit the shelves by mid year as another high performance, value for money offering from Bada! :)
sounds good sir... after evaluating the performance, what would you say is the difference between the ff:
1. cheap AV receiver plus power amp
2. denon 2808 plus power amp
3. integrated 5 channel power amp only
thank you
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sounds good sir... after evaluating the performance, what would you say is the difference between the ff:
1. cheap AV receiver plus power amp
2. denon 2808 plus power amp
3. integrated 5 channel power amp only
1.) Features not considered: Good, will beat any $1,000 class receivers in power.
2.) More expensive, but highly recommended, may rival or beat mass market flagship AVR's in performance. Used to own a 2807 and it uses the surrounds a lot more (and louder) than any receiver I have tried. So a power amp will help a lot.
3.) The integrated is only 5x100wpc@4ohms but powerwise, its the estimated equivalent of a 40+k receiver at half the price. Decoding will depend on how good your DVD player is.
All evaluations are subjective.
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1.) Features not considered: Good, will beat any $1,000 class receivers in power.
2.) More expensive, but highly recommended, may rival or beat mass market flagship AVR's in performance. Used to own a 2807 and it uses the surrounds a lot more (and louder) than any receiver I have tried. So a power amp will help a lot.
3.) The integrated is only 5x100wpc@4ohms but powerwise, its the estimated equivalent of a 40+k receiver at half the price. Decoding will depend on how good your DVD player is.
All evaluations are subjective.
why would the more expensive receiver be better if it'll only serve as a pre-out?
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Gud day po. Pwede nyo ba i pm price ng BADA 5 channel amp? tnx
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Pwede ko ba kabitan ng power amp HK340 ko? Nakakahiya man BOSE ang speakers ko(wala pa kasi kami computers at internet dati kaya nadala din ako sa gimik ng BOSE, what a big mistake!) Kun me power amp po ba magdadagdag uli ako ng RCA cable. Un ba gamit para makonekta mula sa pre-out ng receiver patungo power amp? Wala pa po kasi ako alam sa power amp at kun pano un iconnect. :D
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You need an integrated 5 channel power amp. We only have a prototype for now but after I have evaluated its performance with a Pioneer DV-600, expect this to hit the shelves by mid year as another high performance, value for money offering from Bada! :)
thanks sir matzter. sana makatiis pa ako na di muna bumili for now til the integrated 5chan power amp becomes available. meron na po ba initial specs ito?
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You need an integrated 5 channel power amp. We only have a prototype for now but after I have evaluated its performance with a Pioneer DV-600, expect this to hit the shelves by mid year as another high performance, value for money offering from Bada! :)
sir, what's the input of the bada integrated 5.1? coax? optical? 2ch?
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thanks sir matzter. sana makatiis pa ako na di muna bumili for now til the integrated 5chan power amp becomes available. meron na po ba initial specs ito?
Matagal pa arrival sir. I will release the specs upon its arrival.
sir, what's the input of the bada integrated 5.1? coax? optical? 2ch?
5.1 inputs only plus a few other 2 channel inputs for CD, etc. Decoder will come from the DVD player or Bluray player. Since all bluray players now do the decoding instead of the receiver, I think this product (w/ its robust power supply) will not dissapoint in bringing out the extra resolution of the new HD surround formats.
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Pwede ko ba kabitan ng power amp HK340 ko? Nakakahiya man BOSE ang speakers ko(wala pa kasi kami computers at internet dati kaya nadala din ako sa gimik ng BOSE, what a big mistake!) Kun me power amp po ba magdadagdag uli ako ng RCA cable. Un ba gamit para makonekta mula sa pre-out ng receiver patungo power amp? Wala pa po kasi ako alam sa power amp at kun pano un iconnect. :D
Yes, you can connect it to your HK340 because it has pre outs. You only need to use interconnects for the power amps to the pre outs of your receiver.
The power amps will bring out the best in your speaker, but that is limited to the best that your speakers can do. I havent heard the max potential of a well powered BOSE (we use BOSE for background music in a bar, but its self powered) so I cant comment.
But for those BOSE tests where they hide these speakers under curtains to surprise you of the "BIG" sound of the bose cubes, I believe they definitely cannot be executed with a weak amp. They surely used high powered receivers or amplifiers for those tests.
I realized this myself when I changed from an entry level receiver boasting 6x75w (8ohms) to the Bada 5 channel integrated amp at 5x100w (@4ohms, so approx 60w @ 8ohms), using also small JBL SCS 200 satellites that are just a bit bigger than bose cubes. It really filled the room with undistorted sound despite its small size. But its frequency response is still limited by its size (naturally). So I realized that filling a reasonable sized room has more to do w/ clean amplifier power than just the size of the speakers alone.
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why would the more expensive receiver be better if it'll only serve as a pre-out?
Receiver companies use higher model chips & decoders starting at a certain series. For Onkyo, 3 aureus chips are used on their 705, for Denon; "high grade" chips start at the 28 series. Same for Yamaha's 1000, HK 300 series & up. With more budget for better parts like these, higher model receivers have a different performance level than their lower end counterparts. Whether standalone or w/ power amps.
So its best IMO to buy the cheapest model receiver with upgraded chips then get power amps. I am sure they will excel better sonically in HT than buying the next (or even 2) higher models.
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Receiver companies use higher model chips & decoders starting at a certain series. For Onkyo, 3 aureus chips are used on their 705, for Denon; "high grade" chips start at the 28 series. Same for Yamaha's 1000, HK 300 series & up. With more budget for better parts like these, higher model receivers have a different performance level than their lower end counterparts. Whether standalone or w/ power amps.
So its best IMO to buy the cheapest model receiver with upgraded chips then get power amps. I am sure they will excel better sonically in HT than buying the next (or even 2) higher models.
the 235 has the same chip as the 335 po
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I stand corrected sir. I just checked the Harman Catalog I have here and its the 400 series that uses a higher chip. Thanks for the heads up. :)
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Sir MAtZTER,
May I ask for your initial thoughts if I pair the BADA Hybrid integrated amp with the Triangle Comete 202 bookshelf speakers (80 watts nominal, 91db). I usually listen to Jazz, vocals, pop and 80's music. :)
Thanks in advance.
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Sir MAtZTER,
May I ask for your initial thoughts if I pair the BADA Hybrid integrated amp with the Triangle Comete 202 bookshelf speakers (80 watts nominal, 91db). I usually listen to Jazz, vocals, pop and 80's music. :)
Thanks in advance.
I believe it will do great, specially for bass intensive pop & 80's music. I have heard the Hybrid driving many different mid to high end speakers and they match well so far. You may try to bring your 202's to shops with the hybrid so you can evaluate the performance. :)
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I believe it will do great, specially for bass intensive pop & 80's music. I have heard the Hybrid driving many different mid to high end speakers and they match well so far. You may try to bring your 202's to shops with the hybrid so you can evaluate the performance. :)
Thanks sir MAtZTER. :)
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If your receiver is rated 55w and you add a power amp with 120w per channel like the Bada. Does that mean that your system now has a total output power of 175w? Ganun b un? Me stock na po ba ng 5 ch power amp sa Sights and Sound? :)
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If your receiver is rated 55w and you add a power amp with 120w per channel like the Bada. Does that mean that your system now has a total output power of 175w? Ganun b un? Me stock na po ba ng 5 ch power amp sa Sights and Sound? :)
as far as i know, the receiver will only act as a pre-amp, meaning that their is no amplification yet of the signal, therefore the output will only depend on the power amp, which in you example is 120w.
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Well said sir Highwayman. :)
Sir melvin ramos, There are stocks at S&S shang, or you can avail of the "money back promo" from SGT, so you can be sure that the 5 channel amp makes a difference on your Bose.
But if you are using the Acoustimass with passive subwoofer (no amp of its own), then there will definitely be a difference, as the power amp will be the one to power the subs. I used to connect my BOSE passive sub to a lower model receiver and I couldnt like the bass as all, it was distorted.
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hi sir Mat,
i use my amp 60/40 (music/video), i wonder what difference would it make if i use a 2ch or 5ch bada power amp. should i choose the 2ch amp would my center and surround speakers be totally blown away by the powered fronts when watching movies?
thank you
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hi sir Mat,
i use my amp 60/40 (music/video), i wonder what difference would it make if i use a 2ch or 5ch bada power amp. should i choose the 2ch amp would my center and surround speakers be totally blown away by the powered fronts when watching movies?
thank you
If you have a powerful $1,000 class receiver & moderate size room then 2 channel amp may be enough. You can let the receiver handle the center & 4 surrounds. Most receiver's power ratings are 2 channels driven w/c divides its power to 7 channels for HT. Using a 2 channel power amp on a more powerful receiver gives more room for your receiver to divide that power into less channels. Even the $1,000 class receivers, when measured the same way as power amps are, yield only 75wpc max.
You can take a step further by using a 5 channel power amp w/c relieves your receiver of working for power and allocate its power into being a pre/pro alone, w/c will provide sonic benefits as well.
If you are using the $600 below receivers w/ pre outs, 5 channel amps would be best recommended. The center channel might get left behind if you use a 2 channel power amp only.
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matzter,
sir, pa-post naman po internal picture of the bada 2-channel power amp, tnx. update naman po re int. 5-channel amp also.
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bro Mat,
bro available pa ba yung 5ch amp? pa PM naman ng price. saka san pede mabili, saka if cash babayaran meron bang discount?
thanks
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Meron na ba 7 channel na power amp? ;D ;D ;D Kung 5-channel power amp ang gamit, for a 7.1 system, the power amp can be used for the fronts, center, and side surrounds, and the receiver for the sub and back surrounds?
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Hi Sir Matz, do you have the actual dimension of the 5-channel Bada Power Amp (WxHxD in inches)...
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bro Mat,
bro available pa ba yung 5ch amp? pa PM naman ng price. saka san pede mabili, saka if cash babayaran meron bang discount?
thanks
Yes its available. will PM you
Meron na ba 7 channel na power amp? ;D ;D ;D Kung 5-channel power amp ang gamit, for a 7.1 system, the power amp can be used for the fronts, center, and side surrounds, and the receiver for the sub and back surrounds?
Sorry , there's no 7 channel power amp. Yes 5 channels for your 5 speakers and the receiver handles the 6th & 7th surround channel.
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Yes 5 channels for your 5 speakers and the receiver handles the 6th & 7th surround channel.
sir, with the receiver handling only the 6th and 7th surround channels only, did you notice that they were a bit overwhelmed by the 4th and 5th surround speakers, as they are powered by the power amps? or since the power of the receiver is only divided into two speakers, the difference were not noticeable?
BTW, got na my BADA 5channel power amps kanina... you've convinced me sir... my problem now is deciding on what receiver to get...
thanks
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sir, with the receiver handling only the 6th and 7th surround channels only, did you notice that they were a bit overwhelmed by the 4th and 5th surround speakers, as they are powered by the power amps? or since the power of the receiver is only divided into two speakers, the difference were not noticeable?
Good question.
There is no hard banging surround material loud enough to show any overwhelming between these 2 sets of surrounds. Surrounds are subtle at best, specially the 6th & 7th channel. unless we are referring to 7channel stereo, w/c I have not tried.
However, I recently installed a setup with 4 identical B&W surround speakers. I set up the Audyssey auto EQ mike as usual and the results:
The surround speaker with power amps were recognized by Audyssey to cut of its frequency 10hz lower than the identical surround speaker connected to the receiver. That means the bass of the surround speaker connected to the power amp can go deeper than the one connected to the receiver!
I believe its a measured proof (via Audyssey auto EQ) of improvements made by better quality power.
But to hear the difference on subtle surround, it might be easier to notice it if it was the 3 fronts we are referring to, where much of the louder action is.
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BTW, got na my BADA 5channel power amps kanina... you've convinced me sir... my problem now is deciding on what receiver to get...
Thanks sir. If HDMI is not that important to you, there are numerous great deals on NOS (new old stock) mid level receivers out there. I think Onkyo has lots of em older 7 & 8 series left, now at bargain prices. Since current HD players decode internally and turn your receiver into a power amp anyway, I dont see why analog connections cannot do the same job with older bargain receivers w/ no HDMI.
If HDMI is necessary for you & budget is less of a concern, try the Onkyo 705, Denon 2808, Yamaha 1800, etc (40k above). If budget is a concern, try the newer 6 series Yamaha or Marantz 4000 series (30k below). If you like a lot of music & dont have the space for a separate audio setup, I suggest go for the higher model receivers, IMO they dont dissapoint in music.
cheers, hth.
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Thanks sir. If HDMI is not that important to you, there are numerous great deals on NOS (new old stock) mid level receivers out there. I think Onkyo has lots of em older 7 & 8 series left, now at bargain prices. Since current HD players decode internally and turn your receiver into a power amp anyway, I dont see why analog connections cannot do the same job with older bargain receivers w/ no HDMI.
If HDMI is necessary for you & budget is less of a concern, try the Onkyo 705, Denon 2808, Yamaha 1800, etc (40k above). If budget is a concern, try the newer 6 series Yamaha or Marantz 4000 series (30k below). If you like a lot of music & dont have the space for a separate audio setup, I suggest go for the higher model receivers, IMO they dont dissapoint in music.
cheers, hth.
sir, would you happen to know who still have these NOS? thanks
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sir, would you happen to know who still have these NOS? thanks
I am sure all Onkyo dealers have access to these NOS units. I saw some from Sound Dimension, SGT, S&S, etc.
Try Listening in Style for NOS Yamaha units and S&S for NOS Denon units, but I doubt if there are much left from the last 2 stores.
If you can get a unit with Audyssey & pre outs, much better.
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sir, would you happen to know who still have these NOS? thanks
Sir, visit ka sa SGT The Home Theater, sa Makati. Marami pa akong nakitang NOS na Yamaha at Denon dun. Sa kanila ko rin nabili yung NOS na Yamaha RXV1400, kasabay nung mga B&W and Velo subs.
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ok. thanks! will check them out...
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sir matz, pa-pm naman ng price ng 5ch power amp :D
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BADA 5 channel power amp
front L&R: 120w
Center & Surrounds: 110w
dual torroidal transformers!
detachable power cord
Heavy duty aluminum casing (u just gotta see this!)
1000w power consumption & almost 50 lbs!
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DV-500Front3.jpg)
Pardon the tilt. the unit was so heavy the table tilted :D
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DV-500Rear.jpg)
Separate power supply for the fronts and back+ center ensuring enough power for those demanding scenes!
This config is ONLY available on 100+k high end amps!
Highly recommended for setups with the new HD surround formats if you want to hear the difference brought about by the higher resolution.
Sir Matz newbie question lang sir... Yung 1000w power consumption po ba eh once na naka "power-on" na yung power amp? continues 1000w? i'm planning kasi to get one maybe next week sa hi-fi lounge festival (order basis daw eh) "add-on" sa yammy 659 ko, napansin ko lang yung 1000watts power consumption parang plantsa ang lakas pala sa kuryente! ???
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sir matz, pa-pm naman ng price ng 5ch power amp :D
Sent you PM.
Sir Matz newbie question lang sir... Yung 1000w power consumption po ba eh once na naka "power-on" na yung power amp? continues 1000w? i'm planning kasi to get one maybe next week sa hi-fi lounge festival (order basis daw eh) "add-on" sa yammy 659 ko, napansin ko lang yung 1000watts power consumption parang plantsa ang lakas pala sa kuryente! ???
Sir, 1000w is the maximum power consumption w/ all channels driven to its max. Unless you play disco levels everytime, then there is no need to worry. We use class B amps and these amps use only the wattage as needed, w/c is approx. at 10-30w. The rest is for dynamic headroom.
The 1000w was mentioned to show you the amp's true potential, all channels driven. This true power will kick in when you need it on dynamic music or demanding HT scenes (panggulat sa horror movies!) and those extra resolution from those new HD surround formats.
Why is it important?
Using ball park figures: Since class AB amps lose approx 25% of its efficiency as heat:
Bada specs:
120w plus 25% is 150w, 2 channels L+R =300w
100w plus 25% is 125w, 3 channels C+SR+SL= 375
Lets say total is somewhere around 700w. The rest is for those 4 ohm dips (when your speakers dip impedance, more current is used, receivers are usually very poor at handling 4 ohm loads)
Now, look at your receiver claiming 7x130w or so's power consumption. Its usually around 550w. With a pre amp section being used, lets say approximately 100w is used. that leaves around 450w for powering your speakers.
With the above computation of the power amp consumption, you can see that there is no way the remaining 450w can give you true 130w on all 7 channels, unless its a digital amp with 95% efficiency. True, I agree you do not need to drive all 5-7 channels everytime unless its 7 channel stereo, but its great to have clean power there when you need it for demanding scenes. :)
Special thanks to bumblebee and sir AV for the above, w/c I learned from them.
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Thanks sir MAtz sa reply ;D... gets ko na! ; :D :D :D ... kala ko kc once na naka on yung power amp eh parang may nagpapalantsa sa harap ko habang nanonood ako hehehe hindi pala. Bago ko siguro makuha yung full power nung power amp eh nahulog na sa floor yung pj screen ko sa sobrang lakas! hehehehehe. Average listening volume ko kc -22db - -17db (depende sa dvd) on a 16sq.m. room, sarap ng malakas eh. Thanks
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Bada 5 chan amp on sale @ theater works less 20% na guys! ;)
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Average listening volume ko kc -22db - -17db (depende sa dvd) on a 16sq.m. room, sarap ng malakas eh. Thanks
Masarap yung malakas AT MALINIS (undistorted)! I am sure you will learn this after you experience your power amp. :)
"Its not the quantity, its the quality". ;)
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Bada 5 chan amp on sale @ theater works less 20% na guys! ;)
pls pm discounted price sir. cash po ba to?
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Bada 5 chan amp on sale @ theater works less 20% na guys! ;)
:o sir pa-pm naman po new cash/card price? thanks.
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Bada 5 chan amp on sale @ theater works less 20% na guys! ;)
Ayan na! Ako din chief - pa pm ;D
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Bada 5 chan amp on sale @ theater works less 20% na guys! ;)
sir jeff, pa pm din ako price ng bada 5 ch amp (cash and credit card)
thank you
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Post ko na dito sir 25,000 for the 5 chan amp less 20% on cash purchase and less 15% on straight payment via CC. I still have 4 units left, inventory sale ito so all must go w/in this month.
Regards to all pdvd
Jeff. ;)
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Post ko na dito sir 25,000 for the 5 chan amp less 20% on cash purchase and less 15% on straight payment via CC. I still have 4 units left, inventory sale ito so all must go w/in this month.
Regards to all pdvd
Jeff. ;)
Last unit sir, reserve na yung tatlo. ;)
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Last unit sir, reserve na yung tatlo. ;)
Sir pa reserve na yung last unit! ;D ;D ;D pm me exact address ng shop nyo!... 25k less 25%? Ayos!!!! yahoo!!!! if ever if time permits i'll drop by tomorow!
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Sir pa reserve na yung last unit! ;D ;D ;D pm me exact address ng shop nyo!... 25k less 25%? Ayos!!!! yahoo!!!! if ever if time permits i'll drop by tomorow!
sir its less 20% lang po. :D
location Robinson pioneer ground floor Stop Look N'Listen besides mercury Drug. look for Belen 687-3550.
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Sir pa reserve na yung last unit! ;D ;D ;D pm me exact address ng shop nyo!... 25k less 25%? Ayos!!!! yahoo!!!! if ever if time permits i'll drop by tomorow!
nyak 20% less pala pki resrve sir! last unit ;D
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sir its less 20% lang po. :D
location Robinson pioneer ground floor Stop Look N'Listen besides mercury Drug. look for Belen 687-3550.
ok sir thanks ;D
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nyak 20% less pala pki resrve sir! last unit ;D
Ok sir look for Belen nalang bilin ko sa kanya bukas. ;)
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Incase gusto nyo ng Bada 2 chan meron ako 2 units pa. on sale din 12,500 less 20% on cash and less 15% on straight payment via CC. ;)
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Ok sir look for Belen nalang bilin ko sa kanya bukas. ;)
Ok sir Nemesis thanks again, kung ok sked ko bukas puntahan ko nalang or reserve until Saturday.
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kelan po ulit kayo magkaka-stock? nagkaubusan na a...
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kelan po ulit kayo magkaka-stock? nagkaubusan na a...
sir, meron isa pa pala yung 5 chan and 2 units yung 2 chan power amps. ;)
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Sir Nemesis YGPM ;D
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sir, meron isa pa pala yung 5 chan and 2 units yung 2 chan power amps. ;)
ganda ng 5-ch + 2-ch power amps para mag "seben-poynt-wan" ;D at 30k lang.
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Sir Nemesis YGPM ;D
got it sir.
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ganda ng 5-ch + 2-ch power amps para mag "seben-poynt-wan" ;D at 30k lang.
yup, perfect! ;)
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Incase gusto nyo ng Bada 2 chan meron ako 2 units pa. on sale din 12,500 less 20% on cash and less 15% on straight payment via CC. ;)
Sir saan po available yung 2 channel power amp? Gamitin ko for audio lang, to hooked with my new baby Bose 901Ser6, Hanap din pala ko ng pre amp na may tape monitor (para sa 901 controller). Thanks, wala na kasi yung buy&sell portion eh, dito na lang pwede na cguro, sorry mods OT.
09209609550
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Sir, I replied your post at Wiredstate. Hope it helps. -Romel
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Sir saan po available yung 2 channel power amp? Gamitin ko for audio lang, to hooked with my new baby Bose 901Ser6, Hanap din pala ko ng pre amp na may tape monitor (para sa 901 controller). Thanks, wala na kasi yung buy&sell portion eh, dito na lang pwede na cguro, sorry mods OT.
09209609550
Stop Look N'Listen Robinson Pioneer look for Belen 687-3550
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Last unit Bada 2 chan power amp on sale 10k only cash. Visit Stop Look N'Listen at robinson pioneer. ;)
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I thought mabigat itong BADA 2 channel power amp magaan lang pala less than 10 Kgs.
Haven't hooked it up yet sana hindi ako ma dis-appoint
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I thought mabigat itong BADA 2 channel power amp magaan lang pala less than 10 Kgs.
Haven't hooked it up yet sana hindi ako ma dis-appoint
It used to be in the past na ang power or performance ng power amps ay binabase sa "bigat" nito, but due to today's advent of modern amp technologies, weight is no longer the basis. Modern amps today uses torroidal transformer which are less heavier than the traditional EI core transformers used by old amps. Heatsinks and cooling fans also added considerable weight sa mga lumang amps, pero today, they designed modern heatsinks with special alloy kaya magaan na, pati yung fans nadesign na rin na mas efficient at mas magaan. Pansinin mo yung mga bagong NAD and Rotel power amps, ganun din mga bagong receivers, ang gagaang nila pero they perform better than the previous models. Wala sa bigat yan, nasa design yan ng amp. Parang mga kotse rin nung araw, tone-tonelada ang bigat, pero ngayun ang mga kotse napakagaan pero they perform better. :D
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Any comments sa mga nakabili ng BADA power amp 2 and 5 channels.
May improvements ba kayong narinig?
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I thought mabigat itong BADA 2 channel power amp magaan lang pala less than 10 Kgs.
Haven't hooked it up yet sana hindi ako ma dis-appoint
Any comments sa mga nakabili ng BADA power amp 2 and 5 channels.
May improvements ba kayong narinig?
Bro, why don't you give first your own assesment since you apparently have a unit. I'm also thinking of acquiring one.
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I thought mabigat itong BADA 2 channel power amp magaan lang pala less than 10 Kgs.
Haven't hooked it up yet sana hindi ako ma dis-appoint
Heard the BADA 2 Channel driving a B&W 600 Series. All I can say is manipis sya tumunog, wala yung "ummp".
I would think 10 times before I buy a China Made Amp like BADA.
For me good match with BADA Amps are Daichi Speakers. Now if you have B&W Speakers, would you be doing justice to it by having a China Amp drive it ?
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Let the fireworks begin !!!
Dati speakers ko Made in Japan, Us and England.
Amps ko made in Japan and US
today My amp is made in China, my speakers is made in Taiwan.
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Heard the BADA 2 Channel driving a B&W 600 Series. All I can say is manipis sya tumunog, wala yung "ummp".
I would think 10 times before I buy a China Made Amp like BADA.
For me good match with BADA Amps are Daichi Speakers. Now if you have B&W Speakers, would you be doing justice to it by having a China Amp drive it ?
so you're saying that china made amp nowadays isn't good vs US and Euro made ???
coz' i have been using Yamaha, Marantz and HK all are made of China...
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so you're saying that china made amp nowadays isn't good vs US and Euro made ???
coz' i have been using Yamaha, Marantz and HK all are made of China...
hehehe. nice one. hey brian whats up? long time no talk ah...
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Hilarious statement since even B&W & Rotels are now made in China. It also runs contradictory to the viewpoint that "all amps sound alike, its the pre-amp that makes the difference".
If any reader would care to look around (even at wiredstate), the racksrus account is just being used to attack so many personally, moderators arent spared. Its obviously a dummy account made for "below the belt" comments so wag nyo na patulan, baka pati magulang nyo iinsultuhin nyan. :D
But OTH, like I said in another thread, its a subjective hobby, as long as its auditioned, your observation is considered.
Thanks for taking the time to audition. :)
For the made in China comment (& your motive), its up to the readers to decide. ;)
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"I would think 10 times before I buy a China Made Amp like BADA."
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I have a Primaluna Prologue 2 Tube Integrated Amp Made in China Designer VAN DUGEN
I Have an Usher Speakers Made in Taiwan Consultant D' APPOLITO
DOES THIS 2 BIG NAME RING A BELL!!!
RING MY BELL!!!!RING MY BELL!!!!!
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Tumira na naman, hehehe ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Ernie,
Relatives pala gears natin.. Mine is Cayin A-70T and Usher X-719...
"I would think 10 times before I buy a China Made Amp like BADA."
I have a Primaluna Prologue 2 Tube Integrated Amp Made in China Designer VAN DUGEN
I Have an Usher Speakers Made in Taiwan Consultant D' APPOLITO
DOES THIS 2 BIG NAME RING A BELL!!!
RING MY BELL!!!!RING MY BELL!!!!!
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Hi Ernie,
Relatives pala gears natin.. Mine is Cayin A-70T and Usher X-719...
UY!!! My Long Lost Relative!!!! X-719 Binabalak ko rin Toh!! Very Good Choice. You did your research Relative. Hehe
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Heard the BADA 2 Channel driving a B&W 600 Series. All I can say is manipis sya tumunog, wala yung "ummp".
I would think 10 times before I buy a China Made Amp like BADA.
For me good match with BADA Amps are Daichi Speakers. Now if you have B&W Speakers, would you be doing justice to it by having a China Amp drive it ?
eversince nad3020 made in taiwan and other nad amps made in china, proud owner ako ng made in china audio products. didnt even think twice about the nads.
....and i own daiichi x3's....usd$2k/pair noong 2001...proudly pinoy-made. didnt think twice replaced my made in china Quad12L and made in uk b&w602s2. at bro. ribbon planars toits! ;D
have no issues with the bada amps, siguro finding the right speakers to match the users' taste ;D
u may wana check out daiichi website what foreign audio companies they "oem" for, baka dito din gawa yan gamit mo ::) pinagtatawanan ka na pala ng mga pinagbibidahan mo ;D
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eto na!!!! this is what ive been waiting for ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Driving a B&W Speaker with a BADA Amplification is like eating Angus Beef with Sarsa ni Mang Tomas. Now if thats fine with you then by all means ;D
Bon Apetit!
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Guys, let's just simply trust our ears...at the end of the day, bottomline is that audio is subjective...YOU and YOUR EARS WILL DECIDE, not somebody else...
Now I am thinking twice, maybe I have made a very bad decision in buying my fully mundorfed consonance cd 2.2 CDP just because IT IS MADE IN CHINA? Hehehehe! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Just as what Matzter has mentioned, even the WS people were not spared, even the administrators and moderators...If you try to check "his" posts, ALL are negative stuff...so few yet so negative...maybe it's time for "him" to post his set-up and also attend the EBs and listening sessions so we may understand what "he" means...
PS: Please be careful in posting "for a friend", baka ma-"quote" din kayo :D :D :D :D :D
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Driving a B&W Speaker with a BADA Amplification is like eating Angus Beef with Sarsa ni Mang Tomas. Now if thats fine with you then by all means ;D
Bon Apetit!
May we ask if you could post your set-up and associated gears so we may be able to understand why you're saying that Bada and China-made amps sound manipis? Also, please share with us what you mean w/ "manipis"?
I do not mind the Angus Beef/Mang Tomas combo...but before you consider a gear either "Angus" or "Mang Tomas", can you please post your gears and associated equipment? Frankly, I will not have the guts to post any "paninira" in a particular product if: 1) I do not own that particular product, 2) I do not own anything that's "better" than BADA/China-made products...
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Guys, let's just simply trust our ears...at the end of the day, bottomline is that audio is subjective...YOU and YOUR EARS WILL DECIDE, not somebody else...
Now I am thinking twice, maybe I have made a very bad decision in buying my fully mundorfed consonance cd 2.2 CDP just because IT IS MADE IN CHINA? Hehehehe! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Just as what Matzter has mentioned, even the WS people were not spared, even the administrators and moderators...If you try to check "his" posts, ALL are negative stuff...so few yet so negative...maybe it's time for "him" to post his set-up and also attend the EBs and listening sessions so we may understand what "he" means...
PS: Please be careful in posting "for a friend", baka ma-"quote" din kayo :D :D :D :D :D
I agree on this.. why not set an EB nang magkaharap harap ... ng mag ka-alaman na..
but i doubt if he will do this... ;D ;D ;D
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hehehe. nice one. hey brian whats up? long time no talk ah...
yeah bro long time no talk... hope to see you soon....
O.T. na 'to..
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OT but the new B&W series are made in china. Anyone else tried b&w speakers with bada amps ?
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Now I am thinking twice, maybe I have made a very bad decision in buying my fully mundorfed consonance cd 2.2 CDP just because IT IS MADE IN CHINA? Hehehehe! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
all i can say is..... God created the world then Chinese made the rest ;D ;D ;D ;D
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wag nalang BADA mga brod, medyo high-end components pa materials nun eh. konzert 502a amp nalang gawin nyong power amp. tapos i-match nyo sa isang pre-amp na surplus like yamaha. tapos kahit sony 6" bookshelf 3way speaker sys. then blind test natin dun sa naninira sa BADA at China made amp. baka after hearing this super cheap system. sabihin nung naninira sa BADA eh high end yun system sa blind test or USA or European made hehehe.
it depends talga mga bro, hindi naman talaga kailangan na maging brand consious ka dapat brand wise at alam kung paano mag configure ng system.
@Brian_mico - yup bro naging busy sa bigbike eh medyo OT na nga eh hehehe. see you bro pag nag ka EB tayo dito.
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Heard the BADA 2 Channel driving a B&W 600 Series. All I can say is manipis sya tumunog, wala yung "ummp".
I would think 10 times before I buy a China Made Amp like BADA.
For me good match with BADA Amps are Daichi Speakers. Now if you have B&W Speakers, would you be doing justice to it by having a China Amp drive it ?
RacksRUs,
Where have you been sir?
Come to my Imus store - WE WELCOME EVERYBODY INCLUDING SKEPTICS. No Angus beef here in the boondocks (just fish balls) and only REAL PEOPLE. great selection of audio gears - including BADA plus other known brands of mid and high-end gears, made in USA, UK, Japan and CHINA. SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH "MADE IN CHINA"? Manipis? I understand. People's ears are subjective, don't you agree!!
The BADA line is a great entry level power amp. I have sold a couple of units and users have been happy with it. they pair it with tube pre-amp or ss preamp or AVR. They drive B&W's, Missions, Aurums, etc. with a lot of ...how do you say it ..."ummmp!" Maybe your other gears are made from the planet UR..ANUS? Oooops, sorry!! I meant URANUS.
HOW COULD YOU BE RIGHT (by yourself) AND A LOT OF OTHER MEMBERS WRONG. Sorry sir but you are the ODD MAN OUT here! If you are not REAL (somebody said you are a DUMMY) then SIGN-OFF!!
cyber
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OT but the new B&W series are made in china. Anyone else tried b&w speakers with bada amps ?
I actually have the BADA hybrid, CDP, and Line conditioner. ;D I use them with my B&W 601 s3. I replaced my MADE IN JAPAN Rotel RA 02 with a MADE IN CHINA Bada hybrid amp. :) Not that the Rotel was bad, it's a great entry level amp. I just think I was able to maximize my speaker's performance using the BADA hybrid.
I first heard this amp at SGT home theater. I dropped by with my friends cause one of them was looking for an entry level speaker. It just so happened that the B&W 601 S3s were already set up. It was hooked up to a BADA Hybrid amp. :) We played a CD then ... WOW :o I told my friends that I have the same speakers but they don't perform as well as these! I thought it was the room acoustics which was very different from my room. I was really impressed! I found the bass that I was looking for. And that's without a sub! I actually use a sub at home cause I found the bass to be lacking even though I have the speakers 10 to 11 inches away from the wall ( sold it when I bought the hybrid ). Everything seemed to sound the way I liked! ;D ..... to cut it short, I asked if I could home audition to check if it's the amp or just the room acoustics.
I asked for the best price the next day. ;D It sounded a lot better than my RA 02 in many ways. Don't want to write down the details cause I may sound like i'm selling the product. ;D
I'm very happy with my purchase. I guess it just matched my speakers. ;)
By the way, I opened my Hybrid to change the tubes. It sounds even better. ;D I guess refined is the term I would use.
Thanks for bringing in a great product sir Matz!
Keep em coming! :)
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jpeg,
You did think ten times right...? ;)
Anong ulam nyo ? Angus beef with mang tomas souce ? ;D
I actually have the BADA hybrid, CDP, and Line conditioner. ;D I use them with my B&W 601 s3. I
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I already connected my BADA 2 channel power amp to my HK 235 receiver to power my B&W 602s3.
Dapat ba umiilaw ang left and right light indicators?
The only light I can see is the light for the power on switch.
Initial impression/s.
I tried it last night around 12AM madaling araw na kaya mahina lang volume.
Before I used to set it at -40 dB pag ganyang oras na para hindi makabulahaw sa natutulog na kapitbahay.
Using the BADA power amp I only need to set it to -55dB.
I used Audiophile Voices 2 since I am very familiar with it and this is what I used when auditioning gears.
Result after using/listening to it for 30 minutes..
I didn't like what I hear medyo numipis ang tunog ng speakers ko.
I can't crank the volume higher since its already past midnight, baka kailangan lang lakasan to see some potentials.
Matz said that you need to do some burn in to maximize the potential of this power amp.
I don't believe in this but based on experience with my HK sound do improved after some time or maybe na-condition lang mind/ears ko for the improvements as what others suggest.
I could always take the power out and compare the sound without it if this is the case to see if there is any improvements.
I'll give it a try some more until it reaches the required number of hours and give another feedback.
It might also be bacause of my low end receiver.
For now i'll rate it low, feeling ko I can do without it dumami lang kumakain ng kuryente.
As they say music is subjective and this is my honest opinion.
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BTW, can I connect the BADA power amp directly to a DVDP?
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cybermms....it's bull's eye coment on RacksRUs! :D
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If you roast that angus beef then Mang Tomas will be just fine.
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if your dvd player has volume control , Yes
if its a 5 channel bada amp, your dvd player needs to have the 5 pre-outs
BTW, can I connect the BADA power amp directly to a DVDP?
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relax lang guys... opinion nya yan e... no need to gang up on the guy.
imho, the bada power amp has great value for money... on the integrated amp and cdp (no comment.) ;D but thats just me when I auditioned it. (o bka hindi pa break in)
oh oh oh... iilag nako... ;)
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Cybermms,
Thanks for the invite but I think I'll have to pass.
You have a vested interest being a dealer of BADA, so I understand where you're coming from.
BTW your handle "Cyber" medyo out of this world, funny that you mentioned URANUS.
Has anyone bothered to test the Bada LC using a Noise Sniffer? I read somewhere, I think it was qguy who tested a similar LC but there was no change. Dami pa din noise.
Then comes Matz to explain " According to him you need to have a load, or kailangan may nakasaksak na gears para malawa yung Noise?" Now what the heck is that, if its effective then dapat walang noise with or without load. The moment you put gears in your BADA LC, you had already fed it with noise, kaya pala nawala yung noise nasa loob na ng circuit ng gears na nakasaksak.
BADA LC for me is just a power strip in a reinforced casing.
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nope not me...
anyways, all comments regarding gears negative or positive are taken positively by most dealers and suppliers. Walang personalan.
Now.. SINCE may "history" na kayo ni Matzer, eh parang di maganda yung dating mo sa gears na supplied ni Matzer, eh parang gumaganti lang, honestly your on the loosing end of this debate regardless if your opnions is correct or not or if bada amp sucks or not..
FYI..I dont own a single bada gear..
Cybermms,
Thanks for the invite but I think I'll have to pass.
You have a vested interest being a dealer of BADA, so I understand where you're coming from.
BTW your handle "Cyber" medyo out of this world, funny that you mentioned URANUS.
Has anyone bothered to test the Bada LC using a Noise Sniffer? I read somewhere, I think it was qguy who tested a similar LC but there was no change. Dami pa din noise.
Then comes Matz to explain " According to him you need to have a load, or kailangan may nakasaksak na gears para malawa yung Noise?" Now what the heck is that, if its effective then dapat walang noise with or without load. The moment you put gears in your BADA LC, you had already fed it with noise, kaya pala nawala yung noise nasa loob na ng circuit ng gears na nakasaksak.
BADA LC for me is just a power strip in a reinforced casing.
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Driving a B&W Speaker with a BADA Amplification is like eating Angus Beef with Sarsa ni Mang Tomas. Now if thats fine with you then by all means ;D
Bon Apetit!
Uy! Lechon Baka!!! Angus Gamit paran Kamayan!! Masubukan nga Wagyu
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i rarely post now sa thread na ganito, takot ako baka a brilliant person will suddendly have an adverse opinion regarding my post. would not have the time to explain and engage in a debate :D maybe baka kaya konti na din lang ang nag post dito :( i remember couple of years ago when dami talaga sumasagot sa mga nag seek ng tulong.
Going back to the topic. I have a 5 channel Bada Amp which i connected to an entry level receiver (Yamaha 659) + Mission M52 + M5c + M7DS, initially i did not like what i hear pero after the break-in period all i can say is :o :o :o i was about and really ready to upgrade my receiver even if it was then less than half a year old. But with the Bada amp doing its job i told myself enjoy ko muna ito para the next upgrade ng receiver i can certainly again savor the feeling of the new gear. Salamat dun sa China made na Bada amp ;D
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I read somewhere, I think it was qguy who tested a similar LC but there was no change. Dami pa din noise.
Engot. Si Kefq yun. At yung sinabi nyang maingay sa noise sniffer eh ibang brand yun. Magbasa ka nga muna mabuti at mag grade 5 uli! . Halatang masyado kang may sama ng loob kay matzer! Hahaha.
Tuwing napapahiya ka na sa testimonya ng iba, change topic ka . Tsk tsk tsk SMB!
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jpeg,
You did think ten times right...? ;)
Anong ulam nyo ? Angus beef with mang tomas souce ? ;D
Actually I didn't. :) When I heard it against my entry level rotel, I didn't even think twice. ;D
Don't know... maybe I just like thin sounding music. ;)
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i rarely post now sa thread na ganito, takot ako baka a brilliant person will suddendly have an adverse opinion regarding my post. would not have the time to explain and engage in a debate :D maybe baka kaya konti na din lang ang nag post dito :( i remember couple of years ago when dami talaga sumasagot sa mga nag seek ng tulong.
Napansin ko rin yan. Naabutan ko pa yung panahon na yan. Masyadong ginagawang science fair itong forum na to kaya takot marami magpost. Nasa kabilang forum na mga kasama ko.
Ingat lang. Yang mga hirit at style ni racksrus ang napapala ni sir matzer sa paglalaban para sa kapakanan ng mga takot na mag post. Kitang kita natin ugali ng kalaban. lokbu.
Go! go sir Matzer! Ipaglaban mo kaming mga lurker!
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Fita, utak biscuit ka talaga. May pa cheer cheer ka pang nalalaman. Go go Matzter. . kulang nalang punasan mo pwet ni Matzter ;D !
Anyway technical tong usapan so baka di ka maka relate, Nood ka na lang VCD sa mini compo mo at saka ka na makisali pag naka DTS ka na.
Hintayin natin technical explanation ni Matz bakit ganon ang BADA LC, pag may load lang nawawala ang noise.
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sir Mat yung bada 5ch amp ano ang rating nya sa 6ohms load like euros 8 spkr sys?
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Actually, I dont own or have not heard any bada amps. But now Im curious ;D. Maybe one of these days, I'll try to audition.
BTW, my NAD C542 is made in china ;)
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Heard the BADA 2 Channel driving a B&W 600 Series. All I can say is manipis sya tumunog, wala yung "ummp".
I would think 10 times before I buy a China Made Amp like BADA.
For me good match with BADA Amps are Daichi Speakers. Now if you have B&W Speakers, would you be doing justice to it by having a China Amp drive it ?
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punta ka dito sa bahay, audition mo yung nilalait mong bada and dai-chi rig.
Bago ka manglait ng rig ng iba post mo muna rig mo at please lang walang Mang Mags ha!
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Cybermms,
Thanks for the invite but I think I'll have to pass.
You have a vested interest being a dealer of BADA, so I understand where you're coming from.
BTW your handle "Cyber" medyo out of this world, funny that you mentioned URANUS.
Has anyone bothered to test the Bada LC using a Noise Sniffer? I read somewhere, I think it was qguy who tested a similar LC but there was no change. Dami pa din noise.
Then comes Matz to explain " According to him you need to have a load, or kailangan may nakasaksak na gears para malawa yung Noise?" Now what the heck is that, if its effective then dapat walang noise with or without load. The moment you put gears in your BADA LC, you had already fed it with noise, kaya pala nawala yung noise nasa loob na ng circuit ng gears na nakasaksak.
BADA LC for me is just a power strip in a reinforced casing.
You are very right sir. I have a vested interest in the BADA. I only carry a brand when I am convinced it will be worth it.
Pass ka agad sa invite. Kainis ka naman - Imus lang. Lapit lang boondocks. Unless pang Angus beef ka lang not fishball.
Post mo sir set-up mo to put more credibility in your observation. Sinisiraan mo kasi brand. Bad for business, bad for this friendly forum. I can claim in my 10 years being an audio/video hobbyist that I have listened/auditioned more gears than you sir!
Malayo ang "Cyber" sa "Uranus". I have contributed well to the members of this forum. "Uranus" wala yata! What about you sir? Try contributing something positive. If none beyond your negative posts against BADA, then SIGNING OFF will be better for you and all others participating in this thread.
cyber (antigo sir itong handle ko-hindi mo kayang laitin)
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You are very right sir. I have a vested interest in the BADA. I only carry a brand when I am convinced it will be worth it.
Pass ka agad sa invite. Kainis ka naman - Imus lang. Lapit lang boondocks. Unless pang Angus beef ka lang not fishball.
Post mo sir set-up mo to put more credibility in your observation. Sinisiraan mo kasi brand. Bad for business, bad for this friendly forum. I can claim in my 10 years being an audio/video hobbyist that I have listened/auditioned more gears than you sir!
Malayo ang "Cyber" sa "Uranus". I have contributed well to the members of this forum. "Uranus" wala yata! What about you sir? Try contributing something positive. If none beyond your negative posts against BADA, then SIGNING OFF will be better for you and all others participating in this thread.
cyber (antigo sir itong handle ko-hindi mo kayang laitin)
Cool lang sir ;D. I agree with you, this IS and SHOULD ALWAYS BE a friendly forum.
If you see something being sold that you dont like(or worse, hate), keep quiet, and keep it to yourself na lang.
But if its something that you like - buy it, endorse it or keep quiet ulit :D
Respeto lang sa kapwa ang dapat lagi isa-isip. After all, we are one in this hobby (or bisyo? ??? :D)
Peace ;)
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Respeto lang sa kapwa ang dapat lagi isa-isip. After all, we are one in this hobby (or bisyo? ??? :D)
Peace ;)
Correct sir. This hobby (bisyo nga!) is all about having FUN!!
cyber
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Sigh. Another circus. ::)
Matz said that you need to do some burn in to maximize the potential of this power amp.
I don't believe in this but based on experience with my HK sound do improved after some time or maybe na-condition lang mind/ears ko for the improvements as what others suggest.
I could always take the power out and compare the sound without it if this is the case to see if there is any improvements.
I'll give it a try some more until it reaches the required number of hours and give another feedback.
I dont know about breaking in receivers cuz I use mine as pre/pro's only and they dont have torroidal trannies. I understand if you dont believe, I dont have scientific explanations to everything as a hobbyist w/ no engineering background. I apologize in advance for this.
But try this simple solution: use it with very low volumes for many hours (when you are off to work), do not listen to it or evaluate it. Then evaluate it agaist your inital observation, only after its been burned in for many hours. This answers the "break in your ears" conspiracy theory. Of course, some other new dirt will be thrown its way again. ;)
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@Matz,
Thanks sir for the advise.
What's the function of the Left and Right indicator light ?
At low volumes its always turned off.
Turns on during high volume output only.
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More more.. hehehe. :D
ako ayaw kong mag comment, i'll keep my own opinon regarding the amp.
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Try contributing something positive. If none beyond your negative posts against BADA, then SIGNING OFF will be better for you and all others participating in this thread.
cyber (antigo sir itong handle ko-hindi mo kayang laitin)
Here is my challenge to you and Matzter
If Matzter can explain why his so called "Line Conditioner" is only effective when there is load / equipment connected to it, then I will gladly SIGNOFF and this will be the last time you will hear from me.
I went to an AV Store the otherday w/ a Noise Sniffer. Tested the BADA myself, heck there was no change in NOISE. So kung sa tingin mo eh paninira lang ito, I think you're missing the point. I am doing this for our members who have plans of buying a BADA LC, that this so called line conditioner is nothing but a power strip in a reinforced casing.
Most if not majority of those who bought an LC, BADA or not, would not bother to test the item with a Noise Sniffer. Im doing our members a favor.
Again lets wait for Matzters explaination, he owe this to the many who bought a BADA LC knowing that NOISE is being filtered.
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cyber (antigo sir itong handle ko-hindi mo kayang laitin)
Cyber matagal ng sira yung handle mo sa wiredstate, so dont tell me na antigo na yan.
Also ikaw unang nang-lait at hindi ako. Besides you are not a worthy opponent.
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puro OT naman... dun mo nga post sa LC thread ung comments mo tunkol sa Bada LC... Amp thread po ito... if you really want to do everybody a favor present your evidence in the right place, not just claims but actual evidence that the noise sniffer showed the results you are claiming.... baka naman 60Hz lang ung nasagap ng noise sniffer mo....now kung may issues ka sa Bada Amps then post mo dito... pambihira ka naman o
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Cyber matagal ng sira yung handle mo sa wiredstate, so dont tell me na antigo na yan.
Also ikaw unang nang-lait at hindi ako. Besides you are not a worthy opponent.
Talaga ha! Mukhang ikaw yata ang sira sa wiredstate . Balita ko na bump-off ka sa WS. Ako hindi sir! My account has always been active there up to this writing - maybe they even miss me- and I can look at anybody there including the Moderators straight in the eye. Can you? It is my choice to stop contributing to WS forum. Their loss not mine.
What about you? It appears that all you can contribute is "negativism".
Check your facts- or lack of it. How can your statements here be credible if you can not even differentiate between fact and fiction. Post your set-up. According to one member, puro SURPLUS yata.
You are now down to the smallest detail as "noise sniffer" if only to break the BADA LC success. Didn't you start barking on the BADA Amp? Manipis? Then maingay? So what's next? Are you a competitor losing out to BADA? What about trying a "brain sniffer" first before a noise sniffer on the BADA LC?
I do not even consider you an opponent sir because you are a DUMMY so SIGN-OFF and take a hike!!
cyber
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Here is my challenge to you and Matzter
If Matzter can explain why his so called "Line Conditioner" is only effective when there is load / equipment connected to it, then I will gladly SIGNOFF and this will be the last time you will hear from me.
I went to an AV Store the otherday w/ a Noise Sniffer. Tested the BADA myself, heck there was no change in NOISE. So kung sa tingin mo eh paninira lang ito, I think you're missing the point. I am doing this for our members who have plans of buying a BADA LC, that this so called line conditioner is nothing but a power strip in a reinforced casing.
Most if not majority of those who bought an LC, BADA or not, would not bother to test the item with a Noise Sniffer. Im doing our members a favor.
Again lets wait for Matzters explaination, he owe this to the many who bought a BADA LC knowing that NOISE is being filtered.
hi sir, can i borrow your noise sniffer? i havent seen one but we can test the unit at my shop in trinoma. I just want to know how it works. ;)
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If you have anything against BADA product line, then it should be substantiated by facts not just hear say. If you have done testing for that matter then someone from this site technically credible should validate your claims.
Also this is an Amplifier thread, post your comments (negative I pressume) to the appropriate thread.
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been out of the country for a while. naku may bagong argument na naman. peace to all :) exchange of ideas is good pero huwag naman personalan :)
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hmmm.... baka yung aso nya ang ginamit nyang "sniffer", di ba sensitive ang ilong ng aso kaya magaling silang mag-"sniff"?!? ::)
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Pasensya na kayo sa taong ganyan. Nababaliw na siguro yan dahil baon na sa utang sa nagsarang rack business nya. Paano, bobo kasi, di makaintindi at mali mali siguro pakuha ng instruction. Dito pa lang nga e mali mali na. Pero hirit pa rin! kahit olats na olats na.
Na BAN na yan sa wiredstate kaya wag nyo nang patulan eh dummy account naman yan. Siguro ang objective nya ay ma lock itong thread gamit ng magaspang nyang paraan. Objective nga sya!
Isa syang dakilang halimbawa ng OBJECTI-GANTI at EGO-TIVITY. Tinamaan siguro ng matindi yung main account nya doon sa sinabi ni sir matzer tungkol sa crab mentality, kasi humirit agad sa sunod na araw at galit na galit pa.
"Napakasakit ... kuya eddie!!!" kaya bawi sa Bada amp thread!
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Parang boxing dito... :D :D mainit ang palitan ng kamao mula kung saan-sang direksyon... ;D ;D ;D
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hmmm.... baka yung aso nya ang ginamit nyang "sniffer", di ba sensitive ang ilong ng aso kaya magaling silang mag-"sniff"?!? ::)
;D ;D ;D :P
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hmmm.... baka yung aso nya ang ginamit nyang "sniffer", di ba sensitive ang ilong ng aso kaya magaling silang mag-"sniff"?!? ::)
;D :D ;D
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hi sir, can i borrow your noise sniffer? i havent seen one but we can test the unit at my shop in trinoma. I just want to know how it works. ;)
Excellent suggestion from Sir Jeff. Once it's tested then we have a valid conclusion based on actual evidence. :)
What you say RacksRUs? ;) Btw, can anyone explain what does this Noise Sniffer actually do?
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In my location. one popular brand also selling noise filter device as BADA. To prove the claimed effectiveness of the product, in the DEMO area there's another digital device (forgot brand) that measures the noise in the power supply. To show the difference between filtered and unfilter, first the gauge or sniffer (if this is what they callit) will be plugged directly to the main outlet and it shows numbers in db unit. Next step is to plug the Noise Filter device to main and the gauge/sniffer in series plugged to noise filter then it shows more than half of the previous reading from main power. Does it mean the product is really effective cancelling or suppressing the noise? Any opinion is very much welcome... ;D
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Excellent suggestion from Sir Jeff. Once it's tested then we have a valid conclusion based on actual evidence. :)
What you say RacksRUs? ;) Btw, can anyone explain what does this Noise Sniffer actually do?
Sirs,
RacksRUs COULD have a point! Except his approach is not right!
First, he should establish credibility by dropping his DUMMY account and revert to his original handle. If one uses multiple accounts, his motivation is already a SUSPECT and he may be doing it with MALICE. If he bought a BADA LC and has a complaint, then there is a warranty that applies to it. If the dealer or the manufacturer fails to attend to it, the customer can go to DTI. Creating noise here under cover of a DUMMY account is bad (or even immature) way to handle it.
If he drops his DUMMY account and come out in the open, he probably could have more sympathizers. We can even join the testing session (for the BADA Amp and LC) and act as arbitrators for everybody's peace of mind.
I have used a noise sniffer myself. Plug it in an outlet without a conditioner and one will hear the noise. Plug the conditioner and the noise will disappear. I used to do that to sell Audioprism in the past. But one has to check the reliability of the sniffer.
cyber
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hi sir, can i borrow your noise sniffer? i havent seen one but we can test the unit at my shop in trinoma. I just want to know how it works. ;)
Hi sir, I dont have one, I just did the testing in one of the AV Stores that owns one. I am referring to the "AudioPrism Noise Sniffer". It works by pluging the unit to an outlet. With a builtin speaker and a volume knob, you will hear the noise in the circuit. Step one is to plug the noise sniffer directly to the 220V outlet, you will hear a lot of static, those static are are known to be circuit noise. Step two is plug the noise sniffer to the Line Conditioner being tested, there should be no static noise or the very least minimal static, which means that the LC has effectively filtered circuit noise.
Again, a Line Conditioner must supress / filter noise without any load connected to it.
I know its OT, but let us hear from Matzter and our 10 year veteran cybermms, if in his ten year experience in this hobby, he believes that what he distributes is effective, and that he did smilar test to backup this up.
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Sirs,
RacksRUs COULD have a point! Except his approach is not right!
First, he should establish credibility by dropping his DUMMY account and revert to his original handle. If one uses multiple accounts, his motivation is already a SUSPECT and he may be doing it with MALICE. If he bought a BADA LC and has a complaint, then there is a warranty that applies to it. If the dealer or the manufacturer fails to attend to it, the customer can go to DTI. Creating noise here under cover of a DUMMY account is bad (or even immature) way to handle it.
If he drops his DUMMY account and come out in the open, he probably could have more sympathizers. We can even join the testing session (for the BADA Amp and LC) and act as arbitrators for everybody's peace of mind.
I have used a noise sniffer myself. Plug it in an outlet without a conditioner and one will hear the noise. Plug the conditioner and the noise will disappear. I used to do that to sell Audioprism in the past. But one has to check the reliability of the sniffer.
cyber
Cyber my question to you, do you believe that the BADA LC effectively cancels circuit noise? Yes or No lang . . .don't give us the gray area that the Audioprism Noise Sniffer is questionable. Please be true to yourself and to the members reading this thread.
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Hi sir, I dont have one, I just did the testing in one of the AV Stores that owns one. I am referring to the "AudioPrism Noise Sniffer". It works by pluging the unit to an outlet. With a builtin speaker and a volume knob, you will hear the noise in the circuit. Step one is to plug the noise sniffer directly to the 220V outlet, you will hear a lot of static, those static are are known to be circuit noise. Step two is plug the noise sniffer to the Line Conditioner being tested, there should be no static noise or the very least minimal static, which means that the LC has effectively filtered circuit noise.
Again, a Line Conditioner must supress / filter noise without any load connected to it.
Thanks for the info sir, i'll order one and test the LC and see what happens. ;)
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Thanks for the info sir, i'll order one and test the LC and see what happens. ;)
Thank you sir for the heads up. Do let us know of the result so this issue will be once and for all be put to rest.
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Sirs,
RacksRUs COULD have a point! Except his approach is not right!
First, he should establish credibility by dropping his DUMMY account and revert to his original handle. If one uses multiple accounts, his motivation is already a SUSPECT and he may be doing it with MALICE. If he bought a BADA LC and has a complaint, then there is a warranty that applies to it. If the dealer or the manufacturer fails to attend to it, the customer can go to DTI. Creating noise here under cover of a DUMMY account is bad (or even immature) way to handle it.
If he drops his DUMMY account and come out in the open, he probably could have more sympathizers. We can even join the testing session (for the BADA Amp and LC) and act as arbitrators for everybody's peace of mind.
I have used a noise sniffer myself. Plug it in an outlet without a conditioner and one will hear the noise. Plug the conditioner and the noise will disappear. I used to do that to sell Audioprism in the past. But one has to check the reliability of the sniffer.
cyber
cyber what approach is not right? this is an open community where ideas are shared freely (negative or positive). I will definetly go to DTI, but I will not go there alone. . let this voice be heard in behalf of those who do not have the courage to speak up. Ive done this to simple and to the moderators of WS who thinks they are untouchable.
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RacksRus, my thoughts:
1) This thread is entitled "BADA AMPLIFIERS", which means it is solely dedicated for comments/posts/reactions on Bada Amplifiers, unless you would want to post OT items all the time (which you do)...if you need to post anything about the Bada Line Conditioners, there is another thread for it - I am very sure you can read the title of thread (No pun intended)
2) It would be better also the answer the claim of some members that you are using the "racksrus" account as a dummy account...I noticed you deliberately did not answer those allegations...maybe you can shed light on this para matapos na...I am amazed on your posts, less than 25 posts and yet I cannot even see anything positive on your posts...Seems you've been into hi-end hi-fi stuff for a very long time and you have had a vast experience in audio...maybe you could share w/ us your set-up?
3) A lot of members also have been inviting you to attend an EB where we can really "prove" that indeed your observations are true/valid (like Bada amplifiers sound manipis, the Bada Line Conditioner is useless, etc.)...It would be better if we could substantiate it with facts by actual demo...having said this, why don't you also post your observations on other line conditioners such as Xindak, Audioprism, PSAudio...I remember there has been a schedule before but you never attended and intentionally did not reply to the invitation. I am very sure Matzter would be more than willing to showcase all of his available products...I can even volunteer to coordinate w/ some dealers/stores to accommodate the EB...Cybermms, Nemesis91 would be very willing volunteers...If you cannot go to Cavite or QC, I can ask Sonny (SGT) to accomodate the EB, since he is also a dealer of Bada products, and have sold numerous units...and take note, he has hi-end B&W speakers in his showroom w/c can be paired with the Bada Amplifiers...wouldn't it be nice to really have a chance to listen to what you are claiming as "Angus Beef and Mang Tomas"??
4) FOR THE RECORD, It is not true that WS moderators are "untouchable"...BUT if you kindly check all your posts in that other website, you have not contributed anything positive, furthermore considered as the No. 1 TROLL - and that is the reason why you have been banned and banished in the WS forum...a lot of fellow TROLLS are in line for being banned as well, following your footsteps - Thank you for showing the way! While I understand that both WS and PDVD are "open" forums or communities, and you are free to post both positive and negative comments, there is always a way of posting not as arrogant and abrasive as what you have been doing...in the vernacular, magaspang ang mga komento mo at wala kang respeto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)
http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/troll.jpg (http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/troll.jpg)
5) Why single out the Bada products? Do you have any problems w/ their line of products? Do you have any problems w/ Matzter? If you have anything personal w/ him, settle it outside the forum...it is very immature to simply post so much "paninira" w/c cannot be even substantiated
These are my thoughts...I hope you could shed more light into all of these...I do not even understand why pati ako eh tinira mo duon sa kabilang website...but I have no plans to go down your level...I really am hoping that you could clarify things, particularly w/ the Bada products...Thanks and I hope to meet you soon as I am excited to talk to you personally about all of these things you have been posting against me...Next week I will be in Manila and will be meeting w/ some PinoyDVD friends, maybe you could join us so we could finally meet you...Nga pala, do you have any problems if I post an item for sale "for a friend"?
...and by the way, I have recently updated my set-up, and updated my set-up thread as well...I hope you'll post you set-up soon so you may share to everyone your audio journey and experience...
I am sorry to say this BUT - YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN! Thanks and Good luck!
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can i borrow your noise sniffer?
AFAIK, that sniffer is nothing more than a broadband reciever designed to pickup rf signals , detect and most likely amplify it, my issue with it is it does not give you a readout of the actual levels..of course once you plug it into any well designed line conditioner that noise will be filtered out....
as an alternative......
if you have a pocket sized AM radio, just tune in to a station, turn the volume up, then place that radio near your suspected noise source, you will hear interference if there is one, otherwise the sound will not be affected if there is none...but take note that this is for radiated signals, not line borne, but still i beileve this will confirn presence of such signals....
one quick test that this setup works, is put it close to a working calculator and you will hear what i mean.... ;D
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Hi sir, I dont have one, I just did the testing in one of the AV Stores that owns one. I am referring to the "AudioPrism Noise Sniffer".
I know its OT, but let us hear from Matzter and our 10 year veteran cybermms, if in his ten year experience in this hobby, he believes that what he distributes is effective, and that he did smilar test to backup this up.
Read my post again. I said "Audioprism". You copied what I said."Buking" ka na naman. Be original sir and drop your DUMMY account to add to your credibility.
cyber
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so how does this "noise" affect sound quality? does the speaker hiss when there is no signal?
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so how does this "noise" affect sound quality? does the speaker hiss when there is no signal?
this is a justification for using a line conditioner, noise in the line can affect the psu if not designed properly, but then there is the power transformer, and filtering components to arrest this......audiophiles are allergic to all kinds of noises....
the speaker hiss? this is the noise produced by the amps in the signal path, we do not really know where it starts, it could have come from the signal source, (CD palyer), the preamp or the amp...ic's and transistors do produce them, they are called "white noise"....
but if you have to put your ear very close to the speakers in order to hear them, then you have nothing to worry about....
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Basta ako as a newbie, i'm enjoying my new BADA 5ch power amp and my new BADA LC, i like what i hear now compared before, crisp/clear sounds, surrounds are more detailed! (still nasa break-in period pa,what more kung fully break-in na!) it matches my yammy 659 perfectly! ;D ;D ;D thinking of getting BADA 2ch power amp for my surround backs nasa +8db spkr volume eh naiwanan ng power amp ??? FL/FR/C/SL/SR speaker volume @ -7db (using auto-setup and Sound Level Meter) pag tinaas ko pa matatabunan na surround backs ko ! >:(... iba talaga pag naka power amp! - opinion ko lang po yan as a newbie with limited budget ;)... PEACE
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Basta ako as a newbie, i'm enjoying my new BADA 5ch power amp and my new BADA LC, i like what i hear now compared before, crisp/clear sounds, surrounds are more detailed! (still nasa break-in period pa,what more kung fully break-in na!) it matches my yammy 659 perfectly! ;D ;D ;D thinking of getting BADA 2ch power amp for my surround backs nasa +8db spkr volume eh naiwanan ng power amp ??? FL/FR/C/SL/SR speaker volume @ -7db (using auto-setup and Sound Level Meter) pag tinaas ko pa matatabunan na surround backs ko ! >:(... iba talaga pag naka power amp! - opinion ko lang po yan as a newbie with limited budget ;)... PEACE
Sir, Using power amps is one step above from AVR power, for more lash and finesse SQ Bi-amping will take you to another level of Audio Nirvana if your speakers are capable of this set-up.. ;D
Congratz.. on your BADA Amps.. 8)
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RacksRus, my thoughts:
1) This thread is entitled "BADA AMPLIFIERS", which means it is solely dedicated for comments/posts/reactions on Bada Amplifiers, unless you would want to post OT items all the time (which you do)...if you need to post anything about the Bada Line Conditioners, there is another thread for it - I am very sure you can read the title of thread (No pun intended)
2) It would be better also the answer the claim of some members that you are using the "racksrus" account as a dummy account...I noticed you deliberately did not answer those allegations...maybe you can shed light on this para matapos na...I am amazed on your posts, less than 25 posts and yet I cannot even see anything positive on your posts...Seems you've been into hi-end hi-fi stuff for a very long time and you have had a vast experience in audio...maybe you could share w/ us your set-up?
3) A lot of members also have been inviting you to attend an EB where we can really "prove" that indeed your observations are true/valid (like Bada amplifiers sound manipis, the Bada Line Conditioner is useless, etc.)...It would be better if we could substantiate it with facts by actual demo...having said this, why don't you also post your observations on other line conditioners such as Xindak, Audioprism, PSAudio...I remember there has been a schedule before but you never attended and intentionally did not reply to the invitation. I am very sure Matzter would be more than willing to showcase all of his available products...I can even volunteer to coordinate w/ some dealers/stores to accommodate the EB...Cybermms, Nemesis91 would be very willing volunteers...If you cannot go to Cavite or QC, I can ask Sonny (SGT) to accomodate the EB, since he is also a dealer of Bada products, and have sold numerous units...and take note, he has hi-end B&W speakers in his showroom w/c can be paired with the Bada Amplifiers...wouldn't it be nice to really have a chance to listen to what you are claiming as "Angus Beef and Mang Tomas"??
4) FOR THE RECORD, It is not true that WS moderators are "untouchable"...BUT if you kindly check all your posts in that other website, you have not contributed anything positive, furthermore considered as the No. 1 TROLL - and that is the reason why you have been banned and banished in the WS forum...a lot of fellow TROLLS are in line for being banned as well, following your footsteps - Thank you for showing the way! While I understand that both WS and PDVD are "open" forums or communities, and you are free to post both positive and negative comments, there is always a way of posting not as arrogant and abrasive as what you have been doing...in the vernacular, magaspang ang mga komento mo at wala kang respeto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)
http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/troll.jpg (http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/troll.jpg)
5) Why single out the Bada products? Do you have any problems w/ their line of products? Do you have any problems w/ Matzter? If you have anything personal w/ him, settle it outside the forum...it is very immature to simply post so much "paninira" w/c cannot be even substantiated
These are my thoughts...I hope you could shed more light into all of these...I do not even understand why pati ako eh tinira mo duon sa kabilang website...but I have no plans to go down your level...I really am hoping that you could clarify things, particularly w/ the Bada products...Thanks and I hope to meet you soon as I am excited to talk to you personally about all of these things you have been posting against me...Next week I will be in Manila and will be meeting w/ some PinoyDVD friends, maybe you could join us so we could finally meet you...Nga pala, do you have any problems if I post an item for sale "for a friend"?
...and by the way, I have recently updated my set-up, and updated my set-up thread as well...I hope you'll post you set-up soon so you may share to everyone your audio journey and experience...
I am sorry to say this BUT - YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN! Thanks and Good luck!
Superman
1. Noted Mr. Aspiring Moderator
2. No I do not own another account, why do you guys insist that this is a dummy account anyway?
3. Ask Matzter, whatever happened to the EB at SGT. There was supposed to be a Blind Test regarding breakin cable of some sort. If I remember it correctly naghahamon pa sya ng pustahan. Nakay Matzter ang bola bro dont ask me kasi that EB never pushed thru.
4. Ibang klase mga MODs dyan sa wiredstate, and everyone knows that. Wag mo silang makanti or may masabi ka about DIY that they dont like then your ganged up. Just like what you did kay egay. Even cybermms can attest to that, di ba sir inapi ka din sa kabila?
5. I do not have personal grudge against Matzter or his BADA line. I am just stating the facts through my experience / observation after testing his product same as what he is doing overpraising his own product in every BADA thread here. Im just presenting the otherside of the coin.
I do not understand why you are reacting this way, I never said that it was you. Did I mention your name / handle when hein asked sino si Abalos?
I think your definition of troll is based on those WS who stood up against the tyrany of the MODS. Now your telling me that there is a crackdown, the hell with you! I have highregards for the members of wiredstate that made their voices heard like egay, hein trauma etc. .hindi katulad mo sipsip sa MODS.
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Sir, Using power amps is one step above from AVR power, for more lash and finesse SQ Bi-amping will take you to another level of Audio Nirvana if your speakers are capable of this set-up.. ;D
Congratz.. on your BADA Amps.. 8)
Tnx sir Audiojunkie... im using diamond 9.5 fronts and 9cm as my center problema ko eh yung 4 surrounds ko 9sr lang! parang mapupunit mga cones kaya alalay lang ako,. i'll upgrade my surrounds soon... after enrollment ng mga anak ko bka sakaling may sukli pa :D
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I do not have personal grudge against Matzter or his BADA line
then why the hell keep posting your concern with the BADA LC at BADA Amp thread?
5. I do not have personal grudge against Matzter or his BADA line. I am just stating the facts through my experience / observation after testing his product same as what he is doing overpraising his own product in every BADA thread here. Im just presenting the otherside of the coin.
Based on my REAL experience hunting with audio equipment, BADA gears are the cheapest you could get on the market with audiophile quality components na brand. It's not just Sir Matz so called overpraising that could attest to this but if you read other audio sites, china audio gears are bang for buck for those price conscious audio lover.
Your bashing on this thread is not really motivated by your concern with the product but a mere revenge on what happen to your account on the other sites.
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with all due respect cool lang mga guys civilized at matured persons tayo dito, if ever you have bad exprience with either china products (BADA etc etc) or some high-end foreign country then by all means just share your bad expirience with it then let the latter part "the buyer" justify for his own. lahat naman tayo audio/theater lovers eh one way or the other eh may bad expirience diba? so let just learn from those wrong buying and mistakes. kung baga eh charge to expirience nalang. ako nga nakaka ilang brand na ako ng amp. china and others like JVC, Pioneer, Yamaha, QSC at ang kawawang Konzert. ayun ang natira eh yung Konzert at isang Yammy DSP dahil na sira na yung ibang amp ko like my Yammy 995. so keep cool lang mga dudes bigay nalangtayo ng may mga tunay na ideas at share of info nalang para naman matuto tayo ng husto...
TAMA NA AWAY AT SISIHAN MGA BRO, magkakapatid tayo dito...
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with all due respect cool lang mga guys civilized at matured persons tayo dito, if ever you have bad exprience with either china products (BADA etc etc) or some high-end foreign country then by all means just share your bad expirience with it then let the latter part "the buyer" justify for his own. lahat naman tayo audio/theater lovers eh one way or the other eh may bad expirience diba? so let just learn from those wrong buying and mistakes. kung baga eh charge to expirience nalang. ako nga nakaka ilang brand na ako ng amp. china and others like JVC, Pioneer, Yamaha, QSC at ang kawawang Konzert. ayun ang natira eh yung Konzert at isang Yammy DSP dahil na sira na yung ibang amp ko like my Yammy 995. so keep cool lang mga dudes bigay nalangtayo ng may mga tunay na ideas at share of info nalang para naman matuto tayo ng husto...
TAMA NA AWAY AT SISIHAN MGA BRO, magkakapatid tayo dito...
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wla po akong kinakampihan, gusto ko lang po sanang makisuyo kung pwede na wala naman sanang awayan, sisihan at murahan dito sa forum! like what hattori_hanzo said mga civilized, matured and to add may pinag-aralang tao naman tayo.
pinupuntahan ko ang forum na 'to dahil gusto kong matuto, mag-share (kung meron) at mag-enjoy sa hobby natin. ewan ko, pero masaya na akong may mga kasamahan tayo sa hobby na 'to na makitang may mga bagong gears/speakers, ht setup at nababasa at natututunan. kaso parang nakakabigat ng pakiramdam iyong may nag-aawayan, sisihan at murahan. kya sana please lang ilagay naman sana natin sa ayos. di masama ang sharing at intellectual discussions dahil aaminin ko sa newbie na katulad ko marami akong natutunan. pero ilagay lang natin sa lugar. di po ba, mas masaya kung nagtutulungan tayo at pinag-uusapan natin ng maayos kung mayroon tayong di pagkakaunawaan?
di po ako audiophile, mahilig lang sa music at movies tulad ng nakararaming pilipino at pinagkakasya lang ang kung anong meron ako maging diy, phil. made o kung saan man galing o gawa gears ko. basta gusto ko lang mag-enjoy at matuto sa hilig na nakamulatan ko...peace po sa lahat!
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Superman
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Even cybermms can attest to that, di ba sir inapi ka din sa kabila?
this time you are dropping names. you don't have my sympathy sir. stand up on your own. sino sir and inapi? don't think so. go back to WS and read my posts again. and this is not the proper forum to discuss WS as you will be talking behind their backs, which is a no, no for gentlemen. stick to the issues here - you are in pdvd or SIGN OFF!!
cyber
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Cyber my question to you, do you believe that the BADA LC effectively cancels circuit noise? Yes or No lang . . .don't give us the gray area that the Audioprism Noise Sniffer is questionable. Please be true to yourself and to the members reading this thread.
Read my post again, you are distorting my statement, and I quote again:
"....I have used a noise sniffer myself. Plug it in an outlet without a conditioner and one will hear the noise. Plug the conditioner and the noise will disappear. I used to do that to sell Audioprism in the past. But one has to check the reliability of the sniffer...."
I am questioning the type of sniffer that you are using. Nakita mo lang Audioprism brand kinopya mo na distorted pa kwento mo.
cyber
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Superman
2. No I do not own another account, why do you guys insist that this is a dummy account anyway?
3. Ask Matzter, whatever happened to the EB at SGT. There was supposed to be a Blind Test regarding breakin cable of some sort. If I remember it correctly naghahamon pa sya ng pustahan. Nakay Matzter ang bola bro dont ask me kasi that EB never pushed thru.
2. "Buking" ka na sir. I know who you are!!
3. EB at SGT? kaya yata hindi natuloy because you did not show up.
cyber
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Read my post again, you are distorting my statement, and I quote again:
"....I have used a noise sniffer myself. Plug it in an outlet without a conditioner and one will hear the noise. Plug the conditioner and the noise will disappear. I used to do that to sell Audioprism in the past. But one has to check the reliability of the sniffer...."
I am questioning the type of sniffer that you are using. Nakita mo lang Audioprism brand kinopya mo na distorted pa kwento mo.
cyber
Ok dahil mabagal ang pickup mo sir, for the record I used Audioprism Noise Sniffer. U want me to describe how it looks like? Why would I copy what you said? Ang babaw mo naman magisip
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this time you are dropping names. you don't have my sympathy sir. stand up on your own. sino sir and inapi? don't think so. go back to WS and read my posts again. and this is not the proper forum to discuss WS as you will be talking behind their backs, which is a no, no for gentlemen. stick to the issues here - you are in pdvd or SIGN OFF!!
cyber
Inalipusta ka na sa kabila and yet hindi mo pa alam ? In your face na ginawa sa iyo doon, everyone ganged up on you. .I hate to say this but even the picture of your daugther during the Alabang Hi-Fi show pinag tripan nila. Sir wake up! Anyway kung hindi ka inapi doon cge nga mag post ka nga doon.
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Oh my gosh, sad to see this thread has turned into a battle field...I think this has to stop. :(
Let's get our cool heads together will ya guys? Let's discuss in a civilized manner shall we without pointing fingers & digging out past events. Let gone be by gone. Stick to the topics, state your comments with the necessary validations & move on. We should be having constructive discussion not engaging in long winded debate which is very unhealthy & no benefits right? :-[
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Here is my challenge to you and Matzter
If Matzter can explain why his so called "Line Conditioner" is only effective when there is load / equipment connected to it, then I will gladly SIGNOFF and this will be the last time you will hear from me.
Please pardon me sir, I'm not taking any sides here sir, but what's the use of a Line Conditioner if you will not put a load (plug some equipment) in to it? ano na ang gamit ngayon nun ??? so if the noise will be lessen once you plug something in a Bada LC, then somehow it's effective, imo :)
btw, i don't own any bada equipment, baka kasi isipin ng iba bias ako e, just sharing my opinion lang ;)
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taking the personal tirades aside... I think what this does is it just makes people more intelligent in buying...keep an open mind, but decide by yourself without undue influence is the key.
i've heard alot of good comments and not so good words about some individuals here... and the secret is "keep it to yourself" and go along with those that you blend well with... ;D
meron nga mga retailers dito, sinisiraan mismo nila mga dinadala nilang products (why? just to point you to another brand kasi out of stock yung hinahanap mo) sorry kung may ma offend bato bato sa langit. but ive experienced it numerous times. so I wont give a crap about what someone tells me to buy or not. i let my wallet and my ears decide.
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oh my. i believe the mods should step in to control this. its not healthy for the community anymore.
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And to think the Marketplace is already open, maiinit pa rin ang ulo ng mga tao ;D ;D ;D
Ok guys, back to regular programming! :D
Boss Matz, meron na ba available na hybrid integrated? Please PM me the price. Thanks!
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i'm am planning to purchase a 2ch bada amp and connect this to my avr (buti na lang may pre-outs), hopefully by the time that i purchase this, i know a lot of people here are willing to help me out in getting this to work hand in hand and here the potential of my speakers (bookshelf) i recently got...
ika nga, gusto ko marinig yung speaker ng busog ba (more power).
tnx :)
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2. No I do not own another account, why do you guys insist that this is a dummy account anyway?
5. I do not have personal grudge against Matzter or his BADA line.
OWWWS. Parehong pareho kayo mag type, humirit, mang asar, magisip ng masama sa kapwa, sa isang member dito. Yan din ang hinala ng mga members doon sa thread na kung saan bigla kang sumulpot ng unang post mo na parang kabute. At yung huling nakabara sa member na ito dito, tinira mo sa wiredstate. Baka sya kunsensya mo? O pinupunas mo pwet nya dahil IKAW DIN YUN?
clue? AxxxxxT!
Masyado ka yata na offend sa pusta ni sir matz? Eh nakita naman ng marami yung layunin nya doon sa pustang yon, di sya tungkol sa pera. Napakita nya sa marami na yung mga napakalakas at arrogante himirit dito eh wala namang setup o karanasan maipakita. Puro salita lang at sinisiraan lahat ng di nila kayang bilhin. Sangkatutak pang akusasyon at "conspiracy theory" na walang pruweba, parang ikaw. hehe.
Di personal? Mang Tomas? humahaba ilong mo! Biglang nagbago tono mo a.
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so if the noise will be lessen once you plug something in a Bada LC, then somehow it's effective, imo :)
btw, i don't own any bada equipment, baka kasi isipin ng iba bias ako e, just sharing my opinion lang ;)
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Yun din naisip ko. Kaya pakiramdam ko eh walang kabuluhan yung tanong ng mga may masamang balak dito. Eh tumahimik naman pala eh, yung bunganga ng iba dito di pa rin tumahimik. Palibhasa nababaliw na sa gutom. haha.
Wala din akong Bada pa. Pero bibili ako para sa 37" LCD ko at htib para pang asar lang. So may DTS ako ha! Patingin naman ng setup tsong.
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concerns abt BADA AMPs should be aired here....
concerns abt BADA LC should be posted in the BADA LC thread....
eyesore na tong thread for PDVD....
imho, MODS should step in....
identify & investigate IP Address of suspected dummy acct...
make actions like banning of dummy acct (if confirmed)
or locking or deleting OT posts in this thread....
have a nice day !!!
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Okay I think this is out of control now. Locking until levi and I sort it out.
Update: I needed more posts from the offending party to do a proper trace so apologies for not intervening earlier.
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I'm opening this thread again.
Consider this a warning to all who are out of topic. Create trouble and you will be dealt with accordingly.
Levi
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buti na lang...
Anyway, just got my Bada 2 channel power Amp from Sir Sonny last friday. Paired it with AMX Tube pre-amp and Wharfe speaker, pag slow and instrumental type of music, then pag pop and rock naman, kabit ko sa pre-out ng HK 335. Got no problem with Bass reproduction. And grabe power ng AMP, nasa -30 pa lang volume level nung HK, punong puno na hanggang labas ng bahay,. e dati, kahit nasa halos umabot na sa 0, nde naman ganon.. hehehe...
Also, for those audiophiles dito, try nyo audition kay Sir Sonny yung 2 channel power amp, paired with Php 300k++ CARY pre-amp... swabe...
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Paired it with AMX Tube pre-amp
sir if you don't mind me asking, how much po yung ganito ngayon? pangarap ko rin ito balang araw eh hehehe! ^_^
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I'm opening this thread again.
Consider this a warning to all who are out of topic. Create trouble and you will be dealt with accordingly.
Thanks Levs and the other mods for stepping-up, regards! :D
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Aha! ;D while the iron is hot!:
Remember, AUDITION is the key!
You can audition all bada amps (with B&W 600 series) and the noise sniffer at one location:
SGT Home Theater!
Hear it for yourself! Let your ears decide! ;)
PS. Thanks for all the support! We got more people who bought & auditioned our products since this started ;) Heaven is watching! :-*
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Any feedback on the BADA 5ch power amp?
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Aha! ;D while the iron is hot!:
Remember, AUDITION is the key!
You can audition all bada amps (with B&W 600 series) and the noise sniffer at one location:
SGT Home Theater!
Hear it for yourself! Let your ears decide! ;)
PS. Thanks for all the support! We got more people who bought & auditioned our products since this started ;) Heaven is watching! :-*
sir matz,
san po pa ang sgt home theater? i'm planning to audition bada amps. baka may alam kayo pwede ko i-audition in (or nearby) mandaluyong area.
actually, i wan't to compare the quality of tube amp vs. AVR with power amp when it comes to pure audio. lately kasi i'm auditioning tube amp (such as cayin, cambridge etc.). so far, i'm amazed :o of the performance of tube amp.
currently, my set-up is HT with AVR in 7.1 set-up. i use it also for audio (SACD) and found it satisfactory :D (stereo setting using the front speakers only) but when compared to SACD played through a tube amp (auditioned sa mga suking tindahan) mas wow :o! yung sa tube amp. therefore, i wander if pairing a power amp to my current set-up will deliver equal or more wow :o! than tube amp.
fyi po, my AVR have pre-out for 7.1 (waiting for my decision to upgrade;D)
medyo may budget constraint po now, kaya i'm hesitating setting-up a separate dedicated gears for audio. if possible "hitting HT and audio in one stone" through power amp, then i'll choose power amp over tube amp for now.
maybe you have already compared also those two set-ups before, hope you could share your experience.
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Sir,
In my opinion mas ok tube amp kung pure audio lang... AVR with power amp kasi is ideal for HT setup - with power amp kasi there is boost sa power for that added kick ng amp so bagay tlaga for HT specially sa mga action movies.. ramdam mo talaga power... ;D
but this is just my opinion.. i may be wrong... ;D
..let the forum gurus point you to the right direction... :)
Ciao...
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Sir,
In my opinion mas ok tube amp kung pure audio lang... AVR with power amp kasi is ideal for HT setup - with power amp kasi there is boost sa power for that added kick ng amp so bagay tlaga for HT specially sa mga action movies.. ramdam mo talaga power... ;D
but this is just my opinion.. i may be wrong... ;D
..let the forum gurus point you to the right direction... :)
Ciao...
i agree to you sir... mas okay talaga pag you have separate dedicated set up for audio and another set up for HT. Next year ko po siguro i-project dedicated set-up for audio, if ever i found combo HT & audio set up suits my preference after auditioning. But for now, budget constraint ako, kaya combo HT & audio set up pinu-pursue ko. :D
btw sir, what tube amp are you using on your audio set-up? and also what AVR and power amp are u using on your HT? sana pwede ko ma audition tube amp vs. AVR + power amp nyo sir ;D
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Hi,
I'm interested in BADA PH1 headphone amp,
any other BADA headphone amps aside from the PH1?
where can i buy one here in Manila?
dealers kindly PM me
thanks
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Sirs,
For the PH-1, 5 channel amp or other Bada products, SGT Home Theater is at Tordesillas St. Makati, near Makati Sports Club. You can call 813-8443 for directions.
For Mandaluyong area, try Sights & Sounds Shangrila Mall.
@eksi: For an all in one setup, you can try the Bada integrated amp. Its got an input where it can be used as a power amp for your AVR and it can be used as an integrated amp. You also have the flexibility of using it w/ a tube pre-amp (hybrid).
For pure audio, try listening to the BADA hybrid integrated with B&W 601's at the stores. I cant "over-praise" ;D it enough!
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@eksi: For an all in one setup, you can try the Bada integrated amp. Its got an input where it can be used as a power amp for your AVR and it can be used as an integrated amp. You also have the flexibility of using it w/ a tube pre-amp (hybrid).
For pure audio, try listening to the BADA hybrid integrated with B&W 601's at the stores. I cant "over-praise" ;D it enough!
ok sir thanks for advice.
i'll be going to SGT tom to audition these two.
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sir Matz, what is the power rating of 5-channel power amp(Front L &R) @ 4 Ohm load?
Malapit na kasi dumating ang aking entry-level Magnepan. :D
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170w sir. :)
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High current din po ba BADA 5ch power amp?
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170w sir. :)
Mat bro, question/clarification lang. The Front is 120w at 8 ohm so for 4 ohm, I thought it would double to 240w?
How do we compute? Tnx
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Yes, its high current. It doesnt double to to 240w at FTC measurement bro. (Maybe with Jeta (Japanese) @ 1khz peak measurement it may) But neither do most amps.
If you grab a copy of Stereophile, etc buyer's guide. I recall only Krell & other high end amps are capable of doubling their 4ohm rating.
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If the amp is designed to handle loads down to 4 ohms then it should double the power (theoretically) because the load would draw more current (theoretically, double the current) from the amp...
However, an amp that is designed to handle 8 ohms load is not a bad amp if it cannot double it's power when used with 4 ohms load. With the designs I see nowadays, any amp can drive a 4 ohms load quite easily and without the fear of thermal runaway.
EDIT: Expound ko lang kaunti for the benefit of those in the market of buying amps. ;D
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I see. How about at 6 ohms? What is the safe estimated range? kc all my speakers are at 6 ohms. Tnx
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I see. How about at 6 ohms? What is the safe estimated range? kc all my speakers are at 6 ohms. Tnx
In my case, I have a Wharf 9.5 that is rated at 6 ohms and tried it on several diy 8 ohms rated amps and they all seem to work without any problems. I don't think your speakers should give you any problems when used in an 8 ohm amp.
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I would only be wary if the speakers I will be using are 4 ohms nominal :) That's where high current amps kick in.
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Any full review for BADA 5 channel Amp? for Music and HT? Planning to hook it with my Yammy 659 as Power booster :)
Thanks in advance... ;)
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Any full review for BADA 5 channel Amp? for Music and HT? Planning to hook it with my Yammy 659 as Power booster :)
Thanks in advance... ;)
Iniintay ko nga rin may mag bigay ng full review. Then pag OK I'll give it a try with my HK.
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Kindly PM Toslink, he is using a 659 plus a Bada 5 channel amp.
See the wharfedale threads, he also has comments there. :)
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Kindly PM Toslink, he is using a 659 plus a Bada 5 channel amp.
See the wharfedale threads, he also has comments there. :)
Nako sir that's the problem with me, im a newbie sa hobby natin don't know how to make reviews basta i like what i hear now (with bada 5ch amp) compared before with my setup (659 only) ;D
Any full review for BADA 5 channel Amp? for Music and HT? Planning to hook it with my Yammy 659 as Power booster :)
Thanks in advance... ;)
It really boosts the power, my listening volume level before without the amp eh -13db to -17db i like it loud lalo na pag action movie and watching it on a 110" pj screen, after using the amp naging -27db -35db na volume level ko (depende sa dvd disc) medyo nakakahinga na ng maluwag yung 659 ko, before di ko ma feel yung rear speakers, but with bada amp you will feel the rears really existed!....sir if you like you can audition it in my place basta may dala kang merienda ;D di talaga ako marunong mag review eh :-[... im from Sucat... pm lang the more the merrier lalo na pag may few rounds of beer! ;D ;D ;D
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Nako sir that's the problem with me, im a newbie sa hobby natin don't know how to make reviews basta i like what i hear now (with bada 5ch amp) compared before with my setup (659 only) ;D
It really boosts the power, my listening volume level before without the amp eh -13db to -17db i like it loud lalo na pag action movie and watching it on a 110" pj screen, after using the amp naging -27db -35db na volume level ko (depende sa dvd disc) medyo nakakahinga na ng maluwag yung 659 ko, before di ko ma feel yung rear speakers, but with bada amp you will feel the rears really existed!....sir if you like you can audition it in my place basta may dala kang merienda ;D di talaga ako marunong mag review eh :-[... im from Sucat... pm lang the more the merrier lalo na pag may few rounds of beer! ;D ;D ;D
Boss Toslink - saan po kayo sa Sucat? Sa may BF lang po ako ;D
Iba pag naka poweramp ka talaga - aside from the dynamics, you'll hear minute details that you havent heard before. .....oh and yes, your surrounds is alive! ;D
Its a whole new listening experience ;)
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Boss Toslink - saan po kayo sa Sucat? Sa may BF lang po ako ;D
Iba pag naka poweramp ka talaga - aside from the dynamics, you'll hear minute details that you havent heard before. .....oh and yes, your surrounds is alive! ;D
Its a whole new listening experience ;)
Near posadas area lang. Yung amp mo ang type ko! ;D ;D ;D nag meet na tyo before, remember your sound level meter? di ko na nga ginagamit yung auto setup ng 659 ko im using your level meter parang mas balance eh pag manual speaker level setting.
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Near posadas area lang. Yung amp mo ang type ko! ;D ;D ;D nag meet na tyo before, remember your sound level meter? di ko na nga ginagamit yung auto setup ng 659 ko im using your level meter parang mas balance eh pag manual speaker level setting.
Ay oo nga! - grabe, old age na ata eto ah :D ;D Sorry sorry bro :P
Nakow, mas malakas yang Bada poweramp mo - nasa 100wpc lang yung Rotel ko eh ;D
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Quote from: MAtZTER on Yesterday at 05:33 PM
Kindly PM Toslink, he is using a 659 plus a Bada 5 channel amp.
See the wharfedale threads, he also has comments there. :)
Thank you po Sir Matz. Kayo po ang distributor dito ng Bada di po ba? nakakahingi po ba sa inyo ng discount? ;)
Nako sir that's the problem with me, im a newbie sa hobby natin don't know how to make reviews basta i like what i hear now (with bada 5ch amp) compared before with my setup (659 only) ;D
It really boosts the power, my listening volume level before without the amp eh -13db to -17db i like it loud lalo na pag action movie and watching it on a 110" pj screen, after using the amp naging -27db -35db na volume level ko (depende sa dvd disc) medyo nakakahinga na ng maluwag yung 659 ko, before di ko ma feel yung rear speakers, but with bada amp you will feel the rears really existed!....sir if you like you can audition it in my place basta may dala kang merienda ;D di talaga ako marunong mag review eh :-[... im from Sucat... pm lang the more the merrier lalo na pag may few rounds of beer! ;D ;D ;D
Thank you very much Sir Toslink, I'm also a newbie, pero sa sinabi mong experience malaking tulong po talaga sir to help me decide in aquiring this amp, How about in Audio ano po masasabi nyo?
Maganda po kasi pareho po tayo ng gears(entry level lang :) ) One of these days po if I have my time PM ko kayo rgrdng sa invitation nyo :) I only live in Alabang lang kaya medyo malapit lang. :) :)
Cheers!
3j :)
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Kayo po ang distributor dito ng Bada di po ba? nakakahingi po ba sa inyo ng discount? ;)
Not really, but I work for the company who does. :)
Discounts are not up to us, its up to the dealer :).
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pm lang the more the merrier lalo na pag may few rounds of beer! ;D ;D ;D
Ok yan! magkakamabotehan ang usapan. Ilang rounds pa baka makumbinsi nyo na si sir toslink na ibenta Bada amp nya. ;D ;D ;D. joke lang po. hehehe
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Thank you very much Sir Toslink, I'm also a newbie, pero sa sinabi mong experience malaking tulong po talaga sir to help me decide in aquiring this amp, How about in Audio ano po masasabi nyo?
Maganda po kasi pareho po tayo ng gears(entry level lang :) ) One of these days po if I have my time PM ko kayo rgrdng sa invitation nyo :) I only live in Alabang lang kaya medyo malapit lang. :) :)
Cheers!
3j :)
ygpm....
Ok yan! magkakamabotehan ang usapan. Ilang rounds pa baka makumbinsi nyo na si sir toslink na ibenta Bada amp nya. ;D ;D ;D. joke lang po. hehehe
hahahaha naghahanap lang ng libreng beer! ;D naubos na pang bisyo eh katatapos lang ng enrollment ??? Kya lang nman ako napabili ng Bada na-curious lang ako sa away dito sa thread ngayong tapos na bka benta ko na!... jok lang po! i love my BADA! ;D ;D ;D
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Any full review for BADA 5 channel Amp? for Music and HT? Planning to hook it with my Yammy 659 as Power booster :)
Thanks in advance... ;)
I had this combo before, actually hangang last month eto ang set-up ko, all I can say is you will never regret adding the Bada 5 ch amp to your Yammy 659 ;)
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I had this combo before, actually hangang last month eto ang set-up ko, all I can say is you will never regret adding the Bada 5 ch amp to your Yammy 659 ;)
Hi Sir Vtec, Salamat po sa feedback, bakit hangang last month lang? (Medyo curious lang po) :)
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Hi Sir Vtec, Salamat po sa feedback, bakit hangang last month lang? (Medyo curious lang po) :)
Bought the Yammy 659 June '07. A very big improvement as compared to the Marantz i previously had. Paired with the BADA amp even better. Remember to break-in the BADA amp first. Pagdating ng June '08 bought naman Onkyo 705 still paired with the Bada 5 channel amp. Actually yung Yammy 659 ko still looks like new. Use it only on weekends (not every weekend pa). Placed it na inside its box pero still thinking if i will sell it. Pero kapag mayron maganda offer, why not ;)
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Thanks Sir VTEC, I wish I can have a Bada like yours.
Congrats to your upgrade po, very wise and cool :)
Cheers :)
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i am sure you will not regret getting a Bada. Kayang kaya mo yan ;)
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Im using a Bada 5-channel poweramp paired with a tube preamp, I like it better than my Denon receiver for music. :D
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Meron ba dito may Harman Kardon + BADA 5ch power amp? Any comments pls.
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sir,
How much is the discounted price of BADA 5-channel amp.
PM will do.
tnx.
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Not really, but I work for the company who does. :)
Discounts are not up to us, its up to the dealer :).
BTW - i appreciate our pm's. its nice to discuss even yung mga non audio stuff.
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hi,
anyone ever tried the BADA amps (hybrid/separates) with the Monitor Audio RS6? How does it fair? thanks!
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Visited Sights & Sound earlier this afternoon and saw a lot of Bada equipment such as the 5ch poweramp, 2ch poweramp, the 2ch integrated amp as well as the 2ch hybrid integrated amp. Meron din atang Bada LC as well as the Bada headphone tube preamp and Bada tube cdp - all great stuff! ;)
Its really great hearing the Bada 2ch hybrid integ amp again - it really puts a shine to any speaker connected to it! :o
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wow... sir Macdon,
very intersting!!!
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Visited Sights & Sound earlier this afternoon and saw a lot of Bada equipment such as the 5ch poweramp, 2ch poweramp, the 2ch integrated amp as well as the 2ch hybrid integrated amp. Meron din atang Bada LC as well as the Bada headphone tube preamp and Bada tube cdp - all great stuff! ;)
Its really great hearing the Bada 2ch hybrid integ amp again - it really puts a shine to any speaker connected to it! :o
sir, did you happen to ask how much is the bada 2 ch integrated amp?
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sir, did you happen to ask how much is the bada 2 ch integrated amp?
Nasa 14k ata srp
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sir meron po bang volume control ang bada 5ch ???
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sir meron po bang volume control ang bada 5ch ???
nope, only on/off button ;)
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Hi Matzter,
Bought a Denon AVR-988 & i'm letting go of my 2 months old Onkyo 605S. Are Denon 988 + Bada 5 channel + wharfe 9.5, 9cs, 9.1, a good (im looking for perfect ;D) combination? Based on my research, Denon 988 (to be shipped) has pre-outs.
Thanks!!
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nope, only on/off button ;)
thanks :-[
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Hi Matzter,
Bought a Denon AVR-988 & i'm letting go of my 2 months old Onkyo 605S. Are Denon 988 + Bada 5 channel + wharfe 9.5, 9cs, 9.1, a good (im looking for perfect ;D) combination? Based on my research, Denon 988 (to be shipped) has pre-outs.
Thanks!!
I guess so, there have been several happy Bada-Wharfe users who have heard a lot more from this combo than a receiver alone. :)
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New shipment of Bada amps arrived. Thanks for all your support.
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/nautilus3b.jpg)
Raffling away one SABRE NAUTILUS MDF (not black glass) rack with spikes on December to buyers of any BADA amplifier product till December. Yes, those who bought Bada amps before the raffle are included!
One raffle entry goes to Racksrus for helping promote & deplete Bada products. :D
I will be posting new products soon.
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I guess so, there have been several happy Bada-Wharfe users who have heard a lot more from this combo than a receiver alone. :)
Thanks! Got to audition it myself and let my ears decide which gear will satiate & cure my insatiable desire for something better. Sana ma-bankrupt lahat mga AVR manufacturers para cured na SARS mga taga PDVD. ;D
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sir meron po bang volume control ang bada 5ch ???
Sa tingin ko si bossing Matt lang ata ang meron prototype na 5ch na may volume control - or is that a 5ch integrated?
Wala pa bang balita if this project will push thru brader Matz? ;D
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Sa tingin ko si bossing Matt lang ata ang meron prototype na 5ch na may volume control - or is that a 5ch integrated?
Wala pa bang balita if this project will push thru brader Matz? ;D
Yes its a 5 channel integrated. It has arrived. :)
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Yes its a 5 channel integrated. It has arrived. :)
Can this serve as stand alone amps?
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Yes its a 5 channel integrated. It has arrived. :)
Huwaw! Mukang may bagong Bada product ah! :o Eh pano na yan, 5ch integrated amp at dvd upscaler nalang at aandar na? No need for AVRs? ::)
Mukang panalo brader ah! Balitaan mo kami ha ahihihihi :D ;D
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Raffling away one SABRE NAUTILUS MDF (not black glass) rack with spikes on December to buyers of any BADA amplifier product till December. Yes, those who bought Bada amps before the raffle are included!
One raffle entry goes to Racksrus for helping promote & deplete Bada products. :D
I will be posting new products soon.
Sir Matz, kasali ba ako sa raffle ;D
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Sir Matz, kasali ba ako sa raffle ;D
Yes, of course. All Bada amplifier buyers before & after the anouncement are eligible for the raffle.
Huwaw! Mukang may bagong Bada product ah! :o Eh pano na yan, 5ch integrated amp at dvd upscaler nalang at aandar na? No need for AVRs? ::)
Can this serve as stand alone amps?
Yes, it can. As Macdon has mentioned, all you need is a bluray player or good DVD player with the necessary 5.1 decoder outs. 5.1 decoder out of the player ==> 5.1 input of the integrated amp==> speakers and sub.
The concept is since most bluray players nowadays decode through the player & not the receiver (the receiver is just an amplifier), their decoding ability is good enough.
Thus the Bada 5 channel integrated amp serves to power these with its torroidal powered 5x100w@4ohm (all channels driven) amplifiers.
And of course, at a price thats easy on the pocket.
We are readying this for audition soon. And we can "dare to compare" it with any branded receiver w/in its same price range. ;)
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can u give us the rough "easy on the pocket" price, matz
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Yes, of course. All Bada amplifier buyers before & after the anouncement are eligible for the raffle.
thank you! guys bili na kayo ng bada ;)
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sir Matz, do we still need to go to our dealer, bring our receipts of purchase of bada amp and fill a form to enter the raffle?
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Yes, it can. As Macdon has mentioned, all you need is a bluray player or good DVD player with the necessary 5.1 decoder outs. 5.1 decoder out of the player ==> 5.1 input of the amp.
The concept is since most bluray players nowadays decode through the player & not the receiver (the receiver is just an amplifier), their decoding ability is good enough.
Thus the Bada 5 channel integrated amp serves to power these with its torroidal powered 5x100w@4ohm (all channels driven) amplifiers.
And of course, at a price thats easy on the pocket.
We are readying this for audition soon. And we can "dare to compare" it with any branded receiver w/in its same price range. ;)
In case this is not the proper forum, kindly move my post
sir matt ok po ba ang combo na ito(for my 36 sqm bedroom HT)
Bada 5 channel integrated amp (kindly pm the price)
pioneer DV-600
front -wharf 9.1
ano po ba ang dapat unahin center (9.CM or 9.CS?) or sub (velo VX10, PSW125 or Paradigm PDR10?)
and for future up-grade, ‘am planning 9.1 as surrounds & 9.5 fronts
maraming salamat po
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Yes, of course. All Bada amplifier buyers before & after the anouncement are eligible for the raffle.
Yes, it can. As Macdon has mentioned, all you need is a bluray player or good DVD player with the necessary 5.1 decoder outs. 5.1 decoder out of the player ==> 5.1 input of the amp.
The concept is since most bluray players nowadays decode through the player & not the receiver (the receiver is just an amplifier), their decoding ability is good enough.
Thus the Bada 5 channel integrated amp serves to power these with its torroidal powered 5x100w@4ohm (all channels driven) amplifiers.
And of course, at a price thats easy on the pocket.
We are readying this for audition soon. And we can "dare to compare" it with any branded receiver w/in its same price range. ;)
This certainly looks promising brader Matz! For those on the fence deliberating whether to go single AVR or pre/pro, this may be the ticket you're looking for! ;)
Brader Matz - can we entice you to show us some pics? ;D Probable release date?
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This certainly looks promising brader Matz! For those on the fence deliberating whether to go single AVR or pre/pro, this may be the ticket you're looking for! ;)
Brader Matz - can we entice you to show us some pics? ;D Probable release date?
price na rin sir matz! ;D
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We are readying this for audition soon. And we can "dare to compare" it with any branded receiver w/in its same price range. ;)
this, im waiting for. any pics?
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Yes its a 5 channel integrated. It has arrived. :)
Pardon my ignorance, pero ano po ba kaibahan ng 5ch power amp at ng 5ch integrated amp. Me receiver na po ako, w/ pre-out, alin po sa dalawa ang kukunin ko kung sakali na gusto kong mag upgrade? Ano po meron sa 5 ch integrated na wala sa 5ch power amp and vice versa? TIA
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If you already have a receiver with Pre outs, you only need the 5 channel power amp. If you get the integrated, you won't need your receiver. Just make sure your player has individual channel outputs.
Jason
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question lang po kay sir matz or other owners of the bada 2 channel power amp...napansin ko lang na may hum/buzz ang speakers ko pag naka-off pa or naglo-load pa lang ang CD/DVD. Is this normal?
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Pardon my ignorance, pero ano po ba kaibahan ng 5ch power amp at ng 5ch integrated amp. Me receiver na po ako, w/ pre-out, alin po sa dalawa ang kukunin ko kung sakali na gusto kong mag upgrade? Ano po meron sa 5 ch integrated na wala sa 5ch power amp and vice versa? TIA
If you plan to use the preouts ng existing receiver mo, better choose the 5ch POWER AMP. Bakit kamo? Kasi yung 5ch power amp lahat ng available current ng power supply ay mapupunta sa power amplification ng preouts mo, pero yung sa 5ch integrated amp, aagaw pa ng current yung tone control ng integrated amp kaya less current ang available sa power amp nya. ???
Another thing is mas mura ata yung 5ch power amp... :)
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Yes its a 5 channel integrated. It has arrived. :)
Sir, Pa pm naman nung price nitong 5 ch integrated amp. saka patingin na rin ng pic. thanks.
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Chief, i got my Bada 5 channel amp from a fellow PDVD user. I think he bought it from TheaterWorks about 3 months ago. Can i join your contest? ???
How much yung SABRE NAUTILUS MDF na yun just in case? ;)
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sir matt ok po ba ang combo na ito(for my 36 sqm bedroom HT)
Bada 5 channel integrated amp (kindly pm the price)
pioneer DV-600
front -wharf 9.1
ano po ba ang dapat unahin center (9.CM or 9.CS?) or sub (velo VX10, PSW125 or Paradigm PDR10?)
and for future up-grade, ‘am planning 9.1 as surrounds & 9.5 fronts
maraming salamat po
36 sqm is quite big & might prove to be a handful to all but the most high powered amps. But rest assured the 5 channel integrated amp will give you more punch and room filling power compared to any receiver w/in its same price range.
How do I know? I replaced my bedroom setup receiver w/ this , was surprised with the SQ & room filling result, then a month later proceeded to install another unit in my friend's setup. On thing was common to us both: it did not take us 10 mins to decide to replace & sell our receivers (here (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=79479.0) & here (http://wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17393&highlight=denon+1705)) with this one.
Chief, i got my Bada 5 channel amp from a fellow PDVD user. I think he bought it from TheaterWorks about 3 months ago. Can i join your contest? ???
How much yung SABRE NAUTILUS MDF na yun just in case? ;)
Sir, the one who bought the amp from the store can join.
Another thing is mas mura ata yung 5ch power amp... :)
Integrated is cheaper but has less power.
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Will get back to other inquiries soon.
For pricing & pics, please be patient, its coming :D.
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Integrated is cheaper but has less power.
yehey another good news...sir matz ano po ba ang watts per ch of 5 ch integrated?
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Hi Sir Matz,
Any update on Bada 5ch integraded the specs, pictures and prices ? :)
Just want to compare it with 5ch p-amp. :)
TIA
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Hi Sir Matz,
Any update on Bada 5ch integraded the specs, pictures and prices ? :)
Just want to compare it with 5ch p-amp. :)
TIA
Oo nga brader Matz - kahit walang pics or price - baka kahit specs nalang muna ;)
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The 5 channel integrated is:
5x100w @ 4 ohms
5x60w @ 8 ohms
with remote control
SRP , call Butch of SGT HT
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ALL NEW BADA PRODUCTS WILL BE ON DISPLAY AT THE
ALABANG AUDIO SHOW!!!
at SGT Home Theater booth
including :
1.) all tube amps (EL34, KT88)
2.) USB capable hybrid amp
3.) CLASS A dual mono integrated amp
4.) Black LB-5500 line conditioner
5.) a new affordable tube CD player
6.) 5 channel integrated amp
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ALL NEW BADA PRODUCTS WILL BE ON DISPLAY AT THE
ALABANG AUDIO SHOW!!!
at SGT Home Theater booth
including :
1.) all tube amps (EL34, KT88)
2.) USB capable hybrid amp
3.) CLASS A dual mono integrated amp
4.) Black LB-5500 line conditioner
5.) a new affordable tube CD player
6.) 5 channel integrated amp
Brader Matz - would you be attending the show sir?
Hope to finally meet you in person! ;D
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Brader Matz - would you be attending the show sir?
Hope to finally meet you in person! ;D
I would be delighted to finally meet you too.
Busy lang these past few days so I dunno when I am going to the fair.
:)
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The 5 channel integrated is:
5x100w @ 4 ohms
5x60w @ 8 ohms
with remote control
SRP , call Butch of SGT HT
I just asked the price of this sa ating suking tindahan........aba aba, ganda ng presyo ah! ;D Cheaper than your 5ch Bada poweramp.......but also half the power. :)
An Oppo 980H Upconverting dvdp and this 5ch power integ is surely SWEET! ;) ;D
Brader Matz - going by your specs above, if one uses a 6ohm speaker - ilan watts per channel kaya?
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ALL NEW BADA PRODUCTS WILL BE ON DISPLAY AT THE
ALABANG AUDIO SHOW!!!
at SGT Home Theater booth
including :
1.) all tube amps (EL34, KT88)
2.) USB capable hybrid amp
3.) CLASS A dual mono integrated amp
4.) Black LB-5500 line conditioner
5.) a new affordable tube CD player
6.) 5 channel integrated amp
Coffee, Coke Zero and Zesto drinks are on the house (of course while supply of our generous sponsors last)!! Everybody's chance to audition the new Bada lines.
cyber
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Brader Matz - going by your specs above, if one uses a 6ohm speaker - ilan watts per channel kaya?
Sorry bro, 6ohm specs arent usually published anymore. I dont have this info. :)
Sayang, I didnt meet you at the fair! :)
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sir matz, meron po bang pre out ang BADA 2 ch hybrid integ amp, kaya ko po na tanong dahil initial plan ko 5.1 dvd + 2 ch hybrid integ amp and when budget permits + BADA 5 ch amp (or integ amp), sa palagay ko po kasi mas praktikal ito for my ht & audio?
salamat uli
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sir matz, meron po bang pre out ang BADA 2 ch hybrid integ amp, kaya ko po na tanong dahil initial plan ko 5.1 dvd + 2 ch hybrid integ amp and when budget permits + BADA 5 ch amp (or integ amp), sa palagay ko po kasi mas praktikal ito for my ht & audio?
salamat uli
Sir, the hybrid has pre-outs but I dont think its practical for audio & HT. You will be using up the tubes for HT.
I would recommend that you try the 5 channel intgrated amp plus a good 5.1 DVD player instead. Even if it has lower power, I would suggest you audition it first.
A demo unit is available at SGT Home Theater 813-8443. You can audition them with Wharfes, Missions and even B&W 6 series.
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Maganda yun naka setup ke SGT when i pass by driving a pair of paradigm floorstanders. :D
tenks to matzer for bringing this product to our land.
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tanong ko lang po kung ano po kung anong bada amp ang paired with the paradigm floorstanders(monitor 7?) sa SGT. Salamat
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Maganda yun naka setup ke SGT when i pass by driving a pair of paradigm floorstanders. :D
tenks to matzer for bringing this product to our land.
Tenks rony! :D If I only knew how they sounded, I would've brought them in earlier :'(.
Someone bought the (very heavy) KT88 model on the spot on Saturday (Alabang Audio Show). That unit also sounded good in triode mode.
tanong ko lang po kung ano po kung anong bada amp ang paired with the paradigm floorstanders(monitor 7?) sa SGT. Salamat
These sir:
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Badatubea.jpg)
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Sorry bro, 6ohm specs arent usually published anymore. I dont have this info. :)
Sayang, I didnt meet you at the fair! :)
Sayang nga brader Matz - nakapunta lang ako ng Friday night lang :P Was hoping to go Sat & Sun sana, but weekend got complicated :-[
Next opportunity sir! ;D
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yo MATZ can you do me a favor and post clear pix of the back-side of the different amps please. (Particularly interested in the backside of the 2-channel SS integrated amp).
Thanks
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Sir! :)
SS:
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DC-220Rear.jpg)
Hybrid:
(http://www.pacificvalve.us/images/BADA_DC-222_Back.JPG)
Hybrid Class A, dual mono (50 lbs :o):
(http://www.pacificvalve.us/images/Bada_Purer_3.3_Back.JPG)
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Sir Matz - tanong lang:
Is the amplification section of the Hybrid integrated better than the 2ch poweramp kaya?
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ack was hoping it would be big enough to read and see the details :).
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ack was hoping it would be big enough to read and see the details :).
Sir, the forum itself has a limit to the size of pictures posted. :)
Sir Matz - tanong lang:
Is the amplification section of the Hybrid integrated better than the 2ch poweramp kaya?
The hybrid integrated is a different beast as it has been used to drive several high end hard to drive speakers with much delight from the buyers. The DC-222 hybrid doubles its power rating at 4 ohms and has a pretty good pre-amp section.
Since its got pre outs, it can also be used as a tube pre-amp with remote control.
The 2 channel power amp, according to testimonies, used with good pre-amps, also performs well.
So is the amplification of the hybrid better? Specs would point to the hybrid, but I dont believe you can "hear" specs (that near to each other), so audition both na lang. You may use the pre outs of the hybrid to connect to the power amp.
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The hybrid integrated is a different beast as it has been used to drive several high end hard to drive speakers with much delight from the buyers. The DC-222 hybrid doubles its power rating at 4 ohms and has a pretty good pre-amp section.
Since its got pre outs, it can also be used as a tube pre-amp with remote control.
The 2 channel power amp, according to testimonies, used with good pre-amps, also performs well.
So is the amplification of the hybrid better? Specs would point to the hybrid, but I dont believe you can "hear" specs (that near to each other), so audition both na lang. You may use the pre outs of the hybrid to connect to the power amp.
Thanks for the reply brader Matz - was just curious ;D
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Am thinking of getting the 5 channel integrated amplifier. Some questions...
If you connect a 2 channel source device and only 2 speakers, would you be missing anything (i.e., losing any aural information)?
If you connect a 5 channel source device but only 2 speakers, and play say a music CD on the 5 channel device, would you be missing anything?
Are there full spec sheets (not just power but all the other commonly quoted parameters as well) available for the Bada equipment that are available here in Philippines?
In the Bada model descriptions, 'SS' means solid state while 'hybrid' means vacuum tube pre-amp, solid-state power amplifier (or the other way around)? The 5 channel integrated amplier is SS?
What is the warranty period for Bada equipment?
Thanks.
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If you connect a 2 channel source device and only 2 speakers, would you be missing anything (i.e., losing any aural information)?
If you connect a 5 channel source device but only 2 speakers, and play say a music CD on the 5 channel device, would you be missing anything?
The 5 channel integrated has several 2 channel inputs for CD, DVD, Tuner, etc. Then a 5.1 (6) channel input. Also noteworthy is its 2 subwoofer outs. No, you dont lose anything if only 2 channel source is used.
In the Bada model descriptions, 'SS' means solid state while 'hybrid' means vacuum tube pre-amp, solid-state power amplifier (or the other way around)? The 5 channel integrated amplier is SS?
Yes to all questions sir. All Bada equipment is under warranty for 1 year. :)
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kindly pm me the price range of the 5.1 channel integrated amplifier, feedback na rin sa mga meron na ;D
thanks
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Sir Matz pakisuyo na din paki post iyong pix ng 5.1 channel integrated amp kung meron tnx.
kindly pm me the price range of the 5.1 channel integrated amplifier, feedback na rin sa mga meron na ;D
thanks
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Sir Matz,
San ba pwede ma audition yung USB capable Amp? May price na ba to? :)
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Pics and price of the dual mono class A intergrated?
Price of the hybrid?
Thanks!
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Pics and price of the dual mono class A intergrated?
Price of the hybrid?
Thanks!
Bro, you can call SGT Home theater (813-8443) for prices, nakita ko yung dual mono, macho tingnan :) was not able to audition kasi sinubukan ko yung hybrid at natuwa ako, ayon nauwi ko tuloy yung isa. :D upon reading the earlier posts, sabi ni sir matz matagal daw break in so palagi naka on listening to all my cd's planning on future upgrade of tubes, pero saka na yon, trying to familiarize myself with the stock tubes muna. timing na rin baka may magbenta ng murang tube. Good luck bro!
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Bro, you can call SGT Home theater (813-8443) for prices, nakita ko yung dual mono, macho tingnan :) was not able to audition kasi sinubukan ko yung hybrid at natuwa ako, ayon nauwi ko tuloy yung isa. :D upon reading the earlier posts, sabi ni sir matz matagal daw break in so palagi naka on listening to all my cd's planning on future upgrade of tubes, pero saka na yon, trying to familiarize myself with the stock tubes muna. timing na rin baka may magbenta ng murang tube. Good luck bro!
congrats on ur new toy bro...ano pala speaker & cpd nk pair s hybrid mo?
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Bro, you can call SGT Home theater (813-8443) for prices, nakita ko yung dual mono, macho tingnan :) was not able to audition kasi sinubukan ko yung hybrid at natuwa ako, ayon nauwi ko tuloy yung isa. :D upon reading the earlier posts, sabi ni sir matz matagal daw break in so palagi naka on listening to all my cd's planning on future upgrade of tubes, pero saka na yon, trying to familiarize myself with the stock tubes muna. timing na rin baka may magbenta ng murang tube. Good luck bro!
Ganda talaga yung hybrid na yan,was able to listen to it driving an audience70 with ease ;) Congrats. Yeah yung tube rolling pwede na after, pag sawa ka na dyan sa present tube mo :)
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out of topic mga kapatid..pero ano po yung tube buffer?? nailalagay ba ito sa receiver?? salamat..:)
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sir Matz, available pa ba BADA 5ch amp?
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congrats on ur new toy bro...ano pala speaker & cpd nk pair s hybrid mo?
thanks fred_hika, I use AE Evo 1 , Wharfedale 8.4 papalit palit ;)ok naman mga combination nila. nabuhayan, nung na pair ko sa amp, and Pioneer cd 8070. (Vintage) :D
Ganda talaga yung hybrid na yan,was able to listen to it driving an audience70 with ease ;) Congrats. Yeah yung tube rolling pwede na after, pag sawa ka na dyan sa present tube mo :)
Thanks din Ricky, Oo nga saka na tube rolling, mahal din pala bibili pa kasi ako speakers :D More power!
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Bro, you can call SGT Home theater (813-8443) for prices, nakita ko yung dual mono, macho tingnan :) was not able to audition kasi sinubukan ko yung hybrid at natuwa ako, ayon nauwi ko tuloy yung isa. :D upon reading the earlier posts, sabi ni sir matz matagal daw break in so palagi naka on listening to all my cd's planning on future upgrade of tubes, pero saka na yon, trying to familiarize myself with the stock tubes muna. timing na rin baka may magbenta ng murang tube. Good luck bro!
pre pm nmn magkano damage ng hybrid mo
tia
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pre pm nmn magkano damage ng hybrid mo
tia
pm'd you. thanks
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pm'd you. thanks
tnx....
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sir Matz, available pa ba BADA 5ch amp?
Yes sir. Available pa.
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What is the correct pronunciation of 'BADA'?
What does the name mean, if anything?
Does the manufacturer have a website?
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What is the correct pronunciation of 'BADA'?
What does the name mean, if anything?
Does the manufacturer have a website?
Ba-da
It means 8 reaches in Chinese
Website is still currently under development at www.macrotechtradehouse.com
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sir matz, pa pm naman ng prices sa mga 2 channel amps mo. kindly include their wattage. thanks
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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Badatube.jpg)
BADA's driving Php700,000 speakers at the audio show :)
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The 5 channel integrated is:
5x100w @ 4 ohms
5x60w @ 8 ohms
with remote control
SRP , call Butch of SGT HT
Requesting pictures of 5 channel integrated amplifier, front and back.
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Requesting pictures of 5 channel integrated amplifier, front and back.
BADA 5 channel power amp
front L&R: 120w
Center & Surrounds: 110w
dual torroidal transformers!
detachable power cord
Heavy duty aluminum casing (u just gotta see this!)
1000w power consumption & almost 50 lbs!
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DV-500Front3.jpg)
Pardon the tilt. the unit was so heavy the table tilted :D
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/DV-500Rear.jpg)
WHY POWER AMPS?
please read the spoiler
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Power to the People – the Benefits of the Power Amplifier
27/11/2001
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by Gavin Womersley
The vast majority of home theatre systems contain at their centre the ubiquitous surround receiver. Costing anything from around $500 to more than $6000 for the top models, they are by far the most popular choice for anchoring surround systems. On the whole they offer amazing value with good quality chips handling advanced processing of the digital formats we enjoy today, plenty of connection options and a level of general sophistication that would have been unheard of just a few years ago. They are not perfect however, and their biggest weakness lies in their most basic task – amplifying speakers.
Why this is so will be examined below. While the traditional alternative – the surround pre-amp power-amp combination is still the best choice for those who can afford it, our focus here will be making good use of the popular surround receiver as a processor/pre-amp and adding high quality muscle for a high value as well as high performance combination.
Surround Receivers - Limitations
Surround receivers are sold largely on the basis of price and specifications. Manufacturers elbow their way through the competitive market with models that have Dolby Digital, DTS, component video switching etc, etc at ever-lower price points. These are features that help stake out their products as great value. It is unfortunate that some important parts of the amplifier do not get the attention they deserve, yet they are vital to the amplifiers core function of powering speakers. I am talking about the amplifiers power supply, the size of its transformer and heat sinks. Things like this will tell us how well the amplifier is able to generate the current required to drive a loudspeaker.
In a typical surround receiver you have crammed into a small space five amplifiers, the main power transformer, heat sinks, preamplifier circuitry, front display circuitry, video switching and so forth. In short there is a dam lot of stuff in that box - too much in fact. There simply is not enough space both in the manufacturers budget and in the amplifiers chassis to accommodate items such as a decent size power supply and heat sinks. Shane Buettner Equipment Review Editor from Widescreen Review compares dedicated power amps to surround receivers when he states:
“As an example, the dedicated power amplifier that I use as a reference has a power transformer rated at 2.2 kVa for a five-channel amplifier. The Denon AVR-5800, one of the best sounding A/V receivers I’ve heard, has a transformer rated at 1.1 kVa. Under no circumstances will the AVR-5800 receiver be able to deliver as much current to the output stages of its amplifier section as my dedicated amplifier. The number and quality of the output devices on each channel will be limited in the A/V receiver as well, due to physical size restraints and to the limited amount of real estate in the A/V receiver along with cost considerations." (Widescreen Review; 46; p. 92)
He goes on to say that higher current designs generate more heat and thus require more heat sinks, which again are not easy to do in a surround receiver. In short the manufacturers of dedicated power amps do not have the constraints that surround receiver manufacturers have upon them.
All this would only be of marginal interest if it did not have an effect on sound quality. However these things affect the sound quality of music and movies to a massive degree. Any speaker regardless of price will sound better when supplied with all the current it requires. Whether large or small, whether you listen loudly or softly or whether it is music in stereo or a film soundtrack, the differences are immediately apparent. Again, Buettner wraps it up succinctly:
“Now the common misconception here is that all of the above only translates into higher volume levels from the dedicated amplifier. Strain, congestion, distortion and dynamic compression are all terms that can be used to describe what an amplifier sounds like when it can’t deliver the current necessary to drive a loudspeaker during transient peaks (which occur during music playback as well as movie soundtracks).” (Widescreen Review; 46; p.92)
It is the transients in music and music that the differences between dedicated power amps and surround receivers are most strikingly apparent. However at all times the sound is superior, not just during peaks. The amplifier simply has a much better hold of the speaker allowing for a cleaner more precise and yet relaxed and smoother sound.
The Sound Alternative
As mentioned in the introduction the traditional alternative to the one box surround receiver is the pre-power combo. This is still the best way to go but is often very expensive. Surround pre-amps are not thick on the ground and with the exception of two models from Rotel ($2500 & $3700), virtually all cost upwards of $4000, with many giving little change from double this figure. Add the price of a power amp and things start to get expensive.
The alternative to this however lets you enjoy the potent dynamics of a movie soundtrack and the subtle nuances of the quietest passages of your favourite music without breaking the bank. This alternative lies with a cluster of sockets on the back of your surround receiver called pre-outs.
Line level outputs for all channels from the back of your surround receiver allow the connection of a multi-channel power amp. The power amp would then power all the speakers. Surround receivers down to just under $1000 have been seen sporting these outputs, so it is an option open to many. With the relatively high chip quality and processing power of many of these receivers they can make surprisingly good surround pre-amps. Adding a surround power-amp will take the performance to a whole new level as will be seen below.
Shane Lord, a reviewer for Australia’s most respected DVD website michaeldvd.com.au uses his accurately calibrated surround system as a tool for critically reviewing DVD soundtracks. With a small room and small speakers one would not have thought he was obviously in need of a powerful surround amp as he had just bought a advanced new surround receiver, one with great chips and supposedly plenty of power. This is what he found when he took the Elektra Theatre multi-channel power amp home for a test drive:
“The sound difference was stunning. Even on smaller speakers such as my own the power-amp enabled sound had greater depth and clarity, and far less "muddiness". I could hear more information than I had before. Whether it was music or movies, the power amp proved it could outclass the far less capable amp in the receiver. It was as big a difference as that between mono and stereo. Simply put, I was stunned. Such a major difference and it didn't require replacing the receiver. Even in my relatively small room, with my mid-priced speakers, the quality difference is unquestionable. Friends and family now prefer to come here to see a movie than go to the cinema. The sound is so much better now that I am thoroughly enjoying going back through my DVD collection & CD's just to listen to them again.”
Needless to say, Shane now owns the Elektra Theatre.
Normally we keep power amps in a separate area to surround receivers and it was not possible to do an A/B comparison. Now however we have a multi-channel power-amp in our home theatre comparison room at all times so you can hear the incredible difference the power-amp makes. The difference is absolutely huge.
Of course we have a number of different surround power-amps. Brands include top end gear like Krell and Musical Fidelity, mid-range gear like Perreaux and cheaper models from companies such as Rotel. We have five channel power-amps starting from the Rotel RMB-1075 120w x 5 at $1900 although the standout model in terms of quality and value for your dollar is the Australian designed and built Elektra Theatre ($3000). Weighing in at 27kgs and with 150w x 6 it sounds superb for music and movies and has a degree of slam and attack that has to be heard to be believed. Unlike all surround receivers under about $3500, power-amps, with their huge power supplies, can run all their amplifiers at their full power simultaneously and most will come close to doubling their power output when impedance halves. This means that they can run almost any speaker you care to name, even in big rooms.
Conclusion
I would urge anyone in the market for surround receivers over $3000 to first hear what an inexpensive surround receiver (such as Marrantz’s brilliant new SR4200 or SR5200) sound like running with a power-amp via the receivers pre-outs before doling out their hard earned on an all singing and dancing surround receiver. If you do the comparison you will not ever choose even a $5000 or more receiver on sonic grounds over a cheaper one with a power-amp. For those of you already with a flashy surround receiver - do yourself a favour and check out its back panel. If it has pre-outs you have the easiest upgrade choice you will ever have to make, just be sure to strap yourself in when the surround power-amp arrives!
A shorter write up from a professional equipment reviewer:
In all common amplifier topologies, low-impedance loads have the inherent consequence of increased heat as the greater current (as opposed to voltage) is delivered. Make no mistake: no matter how "good" a receiver is (no matter how much it costs), it cannot compete with separate power amplifiers for this reason. There is simply too much crammed into one box. Elaborate means of dissipating heat are possible, but they are expensive to the point of making the pursuit futile (i.e., you might as well just go the way of separates).
See his review equipment! : http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_3/onkyo-tx-sr805-receiver-9-2006-part-5.html
He uses a high model ($1,000+) Onkyo PLUS power amps!!!
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Hi Matzer,
your spoiler articles are very well written....i can not find fault in it.... ;D
anyway, here's wishing you a blessed christmass and more amp sales in the coming new year!!!
cheers,
tony tecson jr.
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Hi Matzer,
your spoiler articles are very well written....i can not find fault in it.... ;D
anyway, here's wishing you a blessed christmass and more amp sales in the coming new year!!!
cheers,
tony tecson jr.
Hi sir, I only quoted the article.
A Merry Xmas to you too! :)
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Thanks for re-posting pictures of the 5 channel power amplifier. However, I was requesting pictures of the 5 channel integrated amplifier, which I could not find in past posts.
The last mention of the the 5 channel integrated amplifier, I think, was the specs posted in August 2008, that I quoted. Is this product no longer available?
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Thanks for re-posting pictures of the 5 channel power amplifier. However, I was requesting pictures of the 5 channel integrated amplifier, which I could not find in past posts.
The last mention of the the 5 channel integrated amplifier, I think, was the specs posted in August 2008, that I quoted. Is this product no longer available?
i think they're still in tansit. am I correct sir MAtZ? ;)
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this might help......
http://www.macrotechtradehouse.com/bada.html
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Good day to everyone!
decided to start a new thread because I would like this to be specific to BADA amp users' experience with their amps
bought my 5ch power amp last dec 2008. it sounds great and is definitely better than my avr alone (my avr boasts an equal power rating per channel with this bada). thing is that when I hooked it up there was a slight hum coming from the speakers and quite audible when the room is very quiet (I do have a dedicated room) especially in the late hours....
with the help of some pdvd members and through reading net info I did the following:
1. isolate power cords from speaker wires --> no effect
2. plug the power amp straight to the wall socket instead of the avr --> no effect
3. plug the power amp to a socket from a different room --> no effect
4. change the interconnects (I have bnew ones with extras -- Cambridge to be precise) --> no effect
5. test with a different avr --> no effect
apparently I returned the unit to the store where I bought it from and they agreed to give me another brand new unit to test...... and I did all the steps above and all yielded the same results
...in addition I discovered the following:
when only the center and/or surrounds are connected through the rca or when only the fronts are connected there was no hum but when I connect even just one center/surround channel or a front channel the hum comes back.... even if the avr is off! a fellow pdvd member has a big hunch it is a ground loop....
a friend even brought his power amp of a different brand (albeit lower power) for the sake of testing but it did not exhibit the same noise... and I am quite sure that the BADA is the culprit.
I called up the shop owner and he suggested getting a line conditioner.... now there is a possibility it could help but I dnt think the noise is generated from the electrical line.... plus, increasing the cost by buying a line conditioner would rather defeat the purpose of getting savings for buying this amp....
I emailed sir Matzter re: this prob but did not get any reply. I called up the shop but they could not get a proper diagnosis and stated they will forward the concern to sir Matzter on my behalf but apparently I did not get a feedback......
now, my aim is not to discredit or harm anyone's reputation but rather I would like to seek a solution to this problem so please no "you get what you pay for" sentiments. the BADA power amp in my subjective opinion is a good power amp which definitely gave a big improvement over my 9.6 floorstanders. The casing is really solid and the unit is very heavy so aside from that "hum" I could not find another fault for it. thing is.... having that hum is very annoying and can be heard at the listening position when the room is dead silent.. add to the fact that it is a solid state amp and that kind of noise is definitely not and should not be included with the package. Now I am just hoping it was a bad batch and something can be done about it as I believe it is quite a good product and I hope a solution could be found.... because definitely I did not buy a brand new unit to have this headache.
Hopefully there are feedbacks from other users if they experience the same and if they know how to resolve it.... or any suggestion from our experts.... so I could know my options
Thank You
P.S. Positive and Negative experiences are welcome. it just so happened I had a problem with the 2 units I had tried....
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this might help......
http://www.macrotechtradehouse.com/bada.html
Thanks sir. Yes, the picture is there.
Thanks for re-posting pictures of the 5 channel power amplifier. However, I was requesting pictures of the 5 channel integrated amplifier, which I could not find in past posts.
The last mention of the the 5 channel integrated amplifier, I think, was the specs posted in August 2008, that I quoted. Is this product no longer available?
i think they're still in tansit. am I correct sir MAtZ? ;)
They are already available sirs. Its an ideal 5ch amplifier for HTPC's, so we left one for auditioning at eHOME in Greenhills. You can also audition it at SGT Home Theater driving B&W's.
Its an excellent bang for the buck amplifier that you can use with PC's with 5.1 sound cards or good DVD players with 5.1 outs.
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Funny! But this just came in time as my 3 units (2 channel amp) exhibited the same problem of humming after a period of time. I bought this 3 units last quarter of 2007( 1st batch), during which i did a temporary set up on my old house and 1 unit was producing this humming sound then, i conferred with Matz and he instructed me to segregate power cord from the interconnect which might be the cause of producing this hum. I didnt give it much thought since at that time, we are moving to our new place. so I packed it up. Then when my dedicated room which was and still at its construction stage, The itch arrived and i had a temporary set up but this time all speaker wirings was well organize as it run through the cement floor pipes while the power cord of all 3 amps was plugged to a bada line conditioner and it was plugged to a dedicated 20amp outlet while the interconnect was also well segregated. All 3 amps exhibited humming sound which now was more pronounce than before since it is now a dedicated room. I brought all the units to Matz to be diagnose and all 3 units came with a Yamaha tag which meant it was service upon. I then tried it and it produces same results but this time its louder. Last 2nd week of December, i brought it back to Matz. Last night, i got to talk to Matz and he said the technician handling cant hear anything humming. I thought i am an isolated case so i scan through Pdvd thread and found on the Bada thread page 13 that "Sanabagan" have same humming problem too. And today i saw this thread. Right now,I have the same Denon 3805 receiver as pre-amp which is currently plug to a rotel 1066 amp and it does not produce any humming sound with same power cords, interconnect, dedicated 20amp outlet and a bada line conditioner. Maybe some other pdvd member can share their idea what went wrong with my set up too.
Thanks in advance,Sir.
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Good day to everyone!
decided to start a new thread because I would like this to be specific to BADA amp users' experience with their amps
bought my 5ch power amp last dec 2008. it sounds great and is definitely better than my avr alone (my avr boasts an equal power rating per channel with this bada). thing is that when I hooked it up there was a slight hum coming from the speakers and quite audible when the room is very quiet (I do have a dedicated room) especially in the late hours....
with the help of some pdvd members and through reading net info I did the following:
1. isolate power cords from speaker wires --> no effect
2. plug the power amp straight to the wall socket instead of the avr --> no effect
3. plug the power amp to a socket from a different room --> no effect
4. change the interconnects (I have bnew ones with extras -- Cambridge to be precise) --> no effect
5. test with a different avr --> no effect
apparently I returned the unit to the store where I bought it from and they agreed to give me another brand new unit to test...... and I did all the steps above and all yielded the same results
...in addition I discovered the following:
when only the center and/or surrounds are connected through the rca or when only the fronts are connected there was no hum but when I connect even just one center/surround channel or a front channel the hum comes back.... even if the avr is off! a fellow pdvd member has a big hunch it is a ground loop....
a friend even brought his power amp of a different brand (albeit lower power) for the sake of testing but it did not exhibit the same noise... and I am quite sure that the BADA is the culprit.
I called up the shop owner and he suggested getting a line conditioner.... now there is a possibility it could help but I dnt think the noise is generated from the electrical line.... plus, increasing the cost by buying a line conditioner would rather defeat the purpose of getting savings for buying this amp....
I emailed sir Matzter re: this prob but did not get any reply. I called up the shop but they could not get a proper diagnosis and stated they will forward the concern to sir Matzter on my behalf but apparently I did not get a feedback......
now, my aim is not to discredit or harm anyone's reputation but rather I would like to seek a solution to this problem so please no "you get what you pay for" sentiments. the BADA power amp in my subjective opinion is a good power amp which definitely gave a big improvement over my 9.6 floorstanders. The casing is really solid and the unit is very heavy so aside from that "hum" I could not find another fault for it. thing is.... having that hum is very annoying and can be heard at the listening position when the room is dead silent.. add to the fact that it is a solid state amp and that kind of noise is definitely not and should not be included with the package. Now I am just hoping it was a bad batch and something can be done about it as I believe it is quite a good product and I hope a solution could be found.... because definitely I did not buy a brand new unit to have this headache.
Hopefully there are feedbacks from other users if they experience the same and if they know how to resolve it.... or any suggestion from our experts.... so I could know my options
Thank You
P.S. Positive and Negative experiences are welcome. it just so happened I had a problem with the 2 units I had tried....
I bet the Bada 5-channel has more than 1 power transformer, right?
Funny! But this just came in time as my 3 units (2 channel amp) exhibited the same problem of humming after a period of time. I bought this 3 units last quarter of 2007( 1st batch), during which i did a temporary set up on my old house and 1 unit was producing this humming sound then, i conferred with Matz and he instructed me to segregate power chord from the interconnect which might be the cause of producing this hum. I didnt give it much thought since at that time, we are moving to our new place. so I packed it up. Then when my dedicated room which was and still at its construction stage, The itch arrived and i had a temporary set up but this time all speaker wirings was well organize as it run through the cement floor pipes while the power chord of all 3 amp was plugged to a bada line conditioner and it was plugged to a dedicated 20amp outlet while the interconnect was also well segregated. All 3 amps exhibited humming sound which now was more pronounce than before since it is now a dedicated room. I brought all the units to Matz to be diagnose and all 3 units came with a Yamaha tag which meant it was service upon. I then tried it and it produces same results but this time its louder. Last 2nd week of December, i brought it back to Matz. Last night, i got to talk to Matz and he said the technician handling cant hear anything humming. I thought i am an isolated case so i scan through Pdvd thread and found on the Bada thread page 13 that "Sanabagan" have same humming problem too. And today i saw this thread. Right now,I have the same Denon 3805 receiver as pre-amp which is currently plug to a rotel 1066 amp and it does not produce any humming sound with same power chords, interconnect, dedicated 20amp outlet and a bada line conditioner. Maybe some other can share their idea what went wrong with my set up too.
Thanks in advance,Sir.
I bet the Rotel 1066 only has 1 power transformer, right?
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I bet the Rotel 1066 only has 1 power transformer, right?
[/quote] My Rotel 1066 have 6 channels and bridgeable. My Bada 2 channel amp has left & right channel so it must have a single power transformer.
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sir Zenshay,
you have a similar problem pala.... have you tried pala isolating the amps using one at a time? did it exhibit the same problem for each of the amps?
Sir JojoD,
the bada 5ch has dual transformers. thank you very much for the inputs sir! :)
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I emailed sir Matzter re: this prob but did not get any reply. I called up the shop but they could not get a proper diagnosis and stated they will forward the concern to sir Matzter on my behalf but apparently I did not get a feedback......
First off, my apologies for the late response, I just logged on today and I only log on to Pdvd & email in my office. But please understand that we had very long holiday and your email to me was on Dec 23. on our closing time, so I wasnt able to respond to your email.
Plus, the shop you bought it from didnt find any humming when they connected it to their system. And the same result was found when our tech tested your returned unit. So I thought all was well.
Nevertheless, we will try to get to the bottom of the problem. I consulted an expert and I was told that it has to be a ground loop problem. As best as I can remember from the explanation: It is an incompatibility in the system between 2 equipments and even if we switch it 10 times, same result will happen. Its a phenomenon that happens to professional audio, car audio and our home audio. Line conditioners do not solve ground loop problems.
This probably explains why some technicians could not hear this problem with their setup. The suggested actions given by the consultant:
1.) get a 3 prong to 2 prong adaptor for the power outlet. This may be a culprit
2.) get an isolation transformer (I wasnt able to get more explanation about this).
HTH :)
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sir Zenshay,
you have a similar problem pala.... have you tried pala isolating the amps using one at a time? did it exhibit the same problem for each of the amps?
Sir JojoD,
the bada 5ch has dual transformers. thank you very much for the inputs sir! :)
I hooked each amp separately and on a separate set up which was a pioneer receiver with pre-out and with KEF speakers. It exhibited same humming sound too. This is not inside the dedicated room but on my wife's Roland digital keyboard system.
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I bet the Rotel 1066 only has 1 power transformer, right?
My Rotel 1066 have 6 channels and bridgeable. My Bada 2 channel amp has left & right channel so it must have a single power transformer.
reason why I asked about multiple transformers is because this can create ground loop problems
I hooked each amp separately and on a separate set up which was a pioneer receiver with pre-out and with KEF speakers. It exhibited same humming sound too. This is not inside the dedicated room but on my wife's Roland digital keyboard system.
this is obviously not a ground loop problem then...
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sir Zenshay,
you have a similar problem pala.... have you tried pala isolating the amps using one at a time? did it exhibit the same problem for each of the amps?
Sir JojoD,
the bada 5ch has dual transformers. thank you very much for the inputs sir! :)
try looping strands of wires around the rca inputs of the bada and ground it to the chassis and see if that reduces the humming...
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Nevertheless, we will try to get to the bottom of the problem. I consulted an expert and I was told that it has to be a ground loop problem.
This probably explains why some technicians could not hear this problem with their setup. The suggested actions given by the consultant:
1.) get a 3 prong to 2 prong adaptor for the power outlet. This may be a culprit
2.) get an isolation transformer (I wasnt able to get more explanation about this).
HTH :)
from all indications it seem to be a ground loop problem between the fronts and the center/surround... so i don't think an isolation transformer will help in this case.
quick diagnosis: with most everything connected together with the audible hum, get a short thick cable then short/connect the grounds of both fronts and center/surrounds. see if this eliminates or bring down the level of the hum. if so, you may have to modify your amp or get better interconnect (w/c can also be just shortening your cable leads).
observe proper precautions though! good luck!
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Matz,
Please ask technician to try 5.1 set up on a receiver. Baka may lumabas since both Riven 319 & me are using denon receiver. Thanks!
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First off, my apologies for the late response, I just logged on today and I only log on to Pdvd & email in my office. But please understand that we had very long holiday and your email to me was on Dec 23. on our closing time, so I wasnt able to respond to your email.
No prob sir Matz. Figured posting my problem may bring out ideas that may easily solve it without having the need to bother the shop or you for that matter.
Nevertheless, we will try to get to the bottom of the problem. I consulted an expert and I was told that it has to be a ground loop problem. As best as I can remember from the explanation: It is an incompatibility in the system between 2 equipments and even if we switch it 10 times, same result will happen. Its a phenomenon that happens to professional audio, car audio and our home audio
thank you... nice to know there are steps taken to diagnose this :) pls also note that I tried using 2 diff avr's with the the avr's turned off and only the power amp turned on but it exhibits the same problem... tested another power amp of a diff brand but it exhibited no problem...
also talked with an expert on the matter and apparently he also said the same. He said it is caused by the potential diff bet the two transformers but he was also baffled as to why the bada did not have a common ground for both transformers....
Plus, the shop you bought it from didnt find any humming when they connected it to their system. And the same result was found when our tech tested your returned unit. So I thought all was well.
apparently, the reason the humming was not exhibited in the shop was.... accdg to my further testing afterwards.... was that there was a hum when a center/surround channel rca was connected to the avr along with one or two of the front channel rca's which was not tested at the shop because they only connected the 2 front channels. It was actually difficult to discern it in the shop considering the ambient noise there....
Nevertheless, we will try to get to the bottom of the problem
thank you very much. it is comforting to know this
try looping strands of wires around the rca inputs of the bada and ground it to the chassis and see if that reduces the humming...
tried this sir Jojo thanks! it did reduce the humming to around 60%... not perfect but a great step in itself :)
quick diagnosis: with most everything connected together with the audible hum, get a short thick cable then short/connect the grounds of both fronts and center/surrounds. see if this eliminates or bring down the level of the hum. if so, you may have to modify your amp or get better interconnect (w/c can also be just shortening your cable leads).
thanks! already did as per suggestion by sir JojoD and it works to some degree. My interconnects are Cambridge IC's 1m in length, also have a few extras at home with the same results when i interchanged them.. modifying the amp would be out of the question coz yari ang warranty ko hehe.... thanks for the input :)
Do note that I dnt have a problem with sir Matzter. In fact I am quite happy that he has introduced such a product... that except for my problem the product looks and sounds great. It may or may not be that my problem is an isolated case.... still, I would like to have it solved since it is the only hindrance to an excellent listening experience....
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BADA 5 channel power amp
front L&R: 120w
Center & Surrounds: 110w
dual torroidal transformers!
detachable power cord
Heavy duty aluminum casing (u just gotta see this!)
1000w power consumption & almost 50 lbs!
Would like to ask for some clarifications on this product.
1. The ratings shown are at 8-ohms or 4-ohms?
2. Constant power output per channel? Unlike receivers where 95w x7 is actually 40wpc when all channels are driven?
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Do note that I dnt have a problem with sir Matzter. In fact I am quite happy that he has introduced such a product... that except for my problem the product looks and sounds great. It may or may not be that my problem is an isolated case.... still, I would like to have it solved since it is the only hindrance to an excellent listening experience....
Likewise.....
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Would like to ask for some clarifications on this product.
1. The ratings shown are at 8-ohms or 4-ohms?
2. Constant power output per channel? Unlike receivers where 95w x7 is actually 40wpc when all channels are driven?
Yes, receivers are usually like that.
The above ratings are 8 ohms all channels driven sir. :)
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Thanks for your understanding sirs, now that the hectic december (apology to Zen) and the long vacation is over, we will do our best to solve your ground loop problems as soon as possible.
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Thanks for your understanding sirs, now that the hectic december (apology to Zen) and the long vacation is over, we will do our best to solve your ground loop problems as soon as possible.
No problem,Sir. Its no one's fault. We are all in the learning curve.
Matz, is really a good person, I think abono pa sya dito. Dapat suggest sa Bada next business trip mo,full board & lodging nila (5 star accommodation). Since you are helping them develop their product to be at its best.Hehehehe
My good friend has a Bada integrated tube amp which i introduced and is being use in driving her pipe in music and so far, excellent condition.
Matawagan Nga. Just Kidding....
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No prob sir Matz. Figured posting my problem may bring out ideas that may easily solve it without having the need to bother the shop or you for that matter.
thank you... nice to know there are steps taken to diagnose this :) pls also note that I tried using 2 diff avr's with the the avr's turned off and only the power amp turned on but it exhibits the same problem... tested another power amp of a diff brand but it exhibited no problem...
also talked with an expert on the matter and apparently he also said the same. He said it is caused by the potential diff bet the two transformers but he was also baffled as to why the bada did not have a common ground for both transformers....
apparently, the reason the humming was not exhibited in the shop was.... accdg to my further testing afterwards.... was that there was a hum when a center/surround channel rca was connected to the avr along with one or two of the front channel rca's which was not tested at the shop because they only connected the 2 front channels. It was actually difficult to discern it in the shop considering the ambient noise there....
thank you very much. it is comforting to know this
tried this sir Jojo thanks! it did reduce the humming to around 60%... not perfect but a great step in itself :)
thanks! already did as per suggestion by sir JojoD and it works to some degree. My interconnects are Cambridge IC's 1m in length, also have a few extras at home with the same results when i interchanged them.. modifying the amp would be out of the question coz yari ang warranty ko hehe.... thanks for the input :)
Do note that I dnt have a problem with sir Matzter. In fact I am quite happy that he has introduced such a product... that except for my problem the product looks and sounds great. It may or may not be that my problem is an isolated case.... still, I would like to have it solved since it is the only hindrance to an excellent listening experience....
ayun ayun! the solution presents itself! ;D ;D ;D
huli na yan sayo sir riven, yun kay Zen na lang di ko pa maisip eh...
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Sir Jo,
Bilisan mo,kasi naubos na Caladryl yun malapit na Mercury Drug sa amin. Di mapigilan kati. Actually, nami-miss ko yun 3 alaga ko. Iba talaga ang impact with 1 amp bawat speaker.
Kidding around Sir on a lazy afternoon at the office....
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Sir Jo,
Bilisan mo,kasi naubos na Caladryl yun malapit na Mercury Drug sa amin. Di mapigilan kati. Actually, nami-miss ko yun 3 alaga ko. Iba talaga ang impact with 1 amp bawat speaker.
Kidding around Sir on a lazy afternoon at the office....
yaan mo sir pagiisipan ko kung bakit nga ganun... isolate muna natin yun amp, pwede din naman kasi manggaling sa source/preamp yun humming...
bakit nga ba ganun? ako din lazy this afternoon... kanina pa ako online eh... ;D ;D ;D
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Sir Matz,
thanks! no problem sir hopefully we could come up with a perfect solution soon :) looking forward to this. thanks din for the good service with the shop last time... they replaced the unit kaagad when they forwarded the concern to you.
Sir ZENshay,
hahaha parang may inaantay ka lang na trigger sir ah :D sana maayos na to papapaluin ko pa ng todo yng 9.6 ...tried with avr alone iba tlga :) with the power amp connected the avr must reduce the speaker levels to -9 to -11 in my room to compensate for the overall system gain and probably to keep my speakers from clipping with the volume maxed out...
Sir Jojo,
huling huli mo na nga ser hehe! thanks sa suggestions! :)
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Sir ZENshay,
hahaha parang may inaantay ka lang na trigger sir ah :D sana maayos na to papapaluin ko pa ng todo yng 9.6 ...tried with avr alone iba tlga :) with the power amp connected the avr must reduce the speaker levels to -9 to -11 in my room to compensate for the overall system gain and probably to keep my speakers from clipping with the volume maxed out...
Actually masarap ang putok ng mga canyon at pistol.Hahaha. Sa Rotel pa lan na 60+60.Yanig na,ano pa kaya yun Bada naka bi-amp each. SSSSHHHH...Natatakot ako dumalaw dun sa Buy & Sell section na Acurus.Baka di makapag pigil at mapagbalakan. Last night, i was checking wyred 4 sound amp 1000 watt. ano kaya feeling nito. :D :D :D :D
Sir Jo, Hwag po kayo mambitin. Delikado. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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di naman sa nambibitin pero looks like ground loop din sir problem ng 2-channel mo... i'll take a closer look muna so I can give a proper recommendation...
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di naman sa nambibitin pero looks like ground loop din sir problem ng 2-channel mo... i'll take a closer look muna so I can give a proper recommendation...
Just Kidding Sir......
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Just Kidding Sir......
no problem sir, i'll see if I can get my hands on one of your babies... :)
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Sir Riven 319,
Baka eto yun sagot sa problema natin. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Feedback of wyred 4 amp from Paul Candy of 6 moons
A few notes from the current review on the SX-1000’s by Paul Candy in the 6moons review.
“The casings simply refused to warm up regardless of how hard and long I drove the amps. Moreover, they only draw a few watts at idle. Tree huggers take note.”
“When I first fired up the 1000s, I was struck by the complete lack of hiss, hum or buzz. Even with the volume turned all the up and with my ear pressed close to a speaker baffle, I couldn't hear any noise.”
“While the amount of detail and information conveyed was impressive, it was not due to any undue brightness or highlighting. It all came across quite natural and well balanced. Cranking up the wick only made everything bigger and clearer but certainly not overbearing or glaring. In fact, I repeatedly felt compelled to listen at significantly higher levels than with other amps. If there had been any undue highlighting or over-emphasis of treble to give the impression of greater detail, it would have been obvious and ultimately unbearable at the window-rattling levels I experimented with. Not to mention that the dynamic range seemed to expand as volume increased. I can't think of any other amps that have gone so loud without compression or hardness. Whatever level I chose, the overall sonic signature remained the same, with the same degree of transparency and detail.”
“Bass performance was excellent but like everything else across the range, it didn't exactly stand out or call attention. Bass was taut, well defined, fluid, dynamic and extended far lower than the diminutive size of the amps suggested. I wasn't aware of any bloat or overhang. Thankfully missing was that completely unnatural muscle-bound synthetic droid bass exhibited by far too many high-power solid-state power amps that, to me, completely ruin the pulse and flow of music. Not here. The SX-1000 monos simply boogied.”
“The quality of bass coupled with the extraordinary grain-free smoothness through the midrange and treble; plus the amount of retrieved detail made for an exciting, well-articulated presentation that quite often allowed me to forget the mess of boxes and wires littering my living room to instead focus on the music at hand. That happens all too rarely and is usually something I find only with vacuum tubes. Yes, there were tubes in front of the amps via my Manley Labs Shrimp preamp but I found much the same effect running the monos direct with the completely solid-state Shanling PCD3000A CDP.”
“The SX-1000 monos have all that in spades - plus excellent dynamics, transient response and the ability to play loud without compression. Considering what you get for the price, these amps are a terrific value and for me, epitomize what our Realsization Award is about. Definitely one of the most impressive audio bargains around.”
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Hi! Riven319,
Whats the status of your Bada Amp? Is it working properly already?
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Lucky me! ;D i don't have any problem encountered on my 5ch bada amp since i bought it last year (March 08)... Hooked it on my new Yammy 663 Huwaw!!!! danda-danda with 5ch power amp! ;D ;D ;D
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Sir Toslink, wow good for you sir :) how do you find it so far? too bad it's somehow not working for me... anyway, that's the only problem I could find with mine. I liked the solid build and the dual torroidal transformers....
Sir Zenshay, I would be out of town along with my brother starting end of this week and he needed the equipment na so I had no choice... the shop gave me special consideration since I was able to report the problem with my system early enough and gave me a refund instead....
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Sir Toslink, wow good for you sir :) how do you find it so far? too bad it's somehow not working for me... anyway, that's the only problem I could find with mine. I liked the solid build and the dual torroidal transformers....
Sir Zenshay, I would be out of town along with my brother starting end of this week and he needed the equipment na so I had no choice... the shop gave me special consideration since I was able to report the problem with my system early enough and gave me a refund instead....
I smell a shopping spree in the near future hehehe :D ;D Anyway, good luck on the hunt & do keep us informed ;)
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I also don't encounter a problem with my Bada 5-ch power amp since I bought it. Although in my case, I am using it only for my Audio-only setup and not on my HT setup so Im only using the front channels of the amp. I very much prefer the sound quality of this setup for music vs using my AVR, except when I listen to RnBs/Punk/hip-hop tracks where I want solid hard kicking bass so a subwoofer is needed in which case I prefer my all-solid state devices-- AVR+subwoofer setup.
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bro na suggest naba to? :-[... Re: hum.. Shorten your interconnects (avr-amp) as possible yung sakin 40cm long sakto lang ang lenght from avr to amp, DIY lang, parts came from Spectra bago ako bumili ng amp yun na gamit ko mula nun ayos naman ganda ng tunog and no hum.
Maganda pa sa BADA eh hindi nagiinit! kahit 2 movies straight normal lang ang temp nya (ave volume lev -20). :D :D
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Maganda pa sa BADA eh hindi nagiinit! kahit 2 movies straight normal lang ang temp nya (ave volume lev -20). :D :D
+1 kahit more than 2 movies puwede pa din ;)
although i have this sound too ??? buti na lang if I am watching movies na hindi ko na siya napapansin ;)
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+1 kahit more than 2 movies puwede pa din ;)
although i have this sound too ??? buti na lang if I am watching movies na hindi ko na siya napapansin ;)
yup yup di lang 4hrs staight minsan hanggang matapos inuman sisikat na araw ??? + music normal temp pa din!... gnun? talagang may hum din bada mo bro?
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yup yup di lang 4hrs staight minsan hanggang matapos inuman sisikat na araw ??? + music normal temp pa din!... gnun? talagang may hum din bada mo bro?
yup mayron hum. noticeable kung naka on yung amp and nothing is playing ???
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^von check mo sa net how to make/correct ground loops, kasi even sa rotel amps may humming din sa ibang users ;)
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^von check mo sa net how to make/correct ground loops, kasi even sa rotel amps may humming din sa ibang users ;)
thanks brader ricky!!!
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thanks brader ricky!!!
Np ;) Nabasa ko one time sa htguide forum that some owners were having problems with their rotel 1080 power amps and it was easily corrected with ground looping :)
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^von check mo sa net how to make/correct ground loops, kasi even sa rotel amps may humming din sa ibang users ;)
this calls for an isolation transformer, our avrs like Yaden or STAC, uses torroid auto transformer types, an isolation transformer breaks this ground loops....
ground loops are due to the fact that our power delivery system meaning meralco uses three phase system, about 400 volts line to line and 230 volts line to neutral,this is what goes into our homes, 230v one wire is LINE, the other wire is the return, or NEUTRAL, this neutral wire is earthed along the lenght of the distribution system, that is why you will see that dropwires coming from MERALCO post has one insulated(LINE) and one uninsulated(NEUTRAL) wire in a twisted configuration.
now the twisting is done to filter our RFI/EMI, although some could still leak thru...
i would say, when everything else fails, try isolation transformers...
FYI, humming should not be audible from about 1 meter from your speakers....otherwise it is a problem... ;D
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It is not a ground loop problem. After a thorough check with the units, The circuit design of BADA put the power ground and the ground loop together thereby producing hum.This has been confirmed by 2 of the most respected diyer here in Pdvd. Even using an isolation transformer will not yield any positive result.
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The circuit design of BADA put the power ground and the ground loop together thereby producing hum.
has anybody seen the circuit design of the unit in question?, i wouldn't draw conclusions untill i see it... ;D
power ground and ground loops are two different things.
Ground LOOPS is a problem, it can give you nasty shocks, or it can cause humming in your equipment....
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YES!
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YES!
any updates?
you know, seller-buyer relationship does not end with payment or delivery of goods, there is such a thing as after sales service.....
if i were the seller, i would dispatch two of my techs to your place to investigate....
the findings can then be reported here to help others in the same predicament....this is comunity service, legaly seller is not bound, but for sake of delicadeza seller should do this...
my 2 centavos....
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Actually, I haven't receive any feedback yet from Matzter as of this time. He is doing his share of work as the distributor here. But im in doubt as to what can be done since this involve circuit design. Sir, i also want to ask a question why only a few of us detected this humming problem, Is it due to the sensitivity of the speakers that's why some hear it and some don't? Im also puzzled. ???
Sir, with all due respect, Can we hear some comment on the Emotiva Amp being sold through the net? It seems there are many satisfied user in the av science forum. This one is also made in China too? Its on SALE kasi?
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Sir, with all due respect, Can we hear some comment on the Emotiva Amp being sold through the net? It seems there are many satisfied user in the av science forum. This one is also made in China too? Its on SALE kasi?
Sir, some members here in pdvd (including myself) have already inquired from Emotiva before...and apparently, the shipping cost is the most prohibitive because of the expense. Doubling the cost of the item you're buying (or worse,more) will probably get you a ballpark figure.
Your probable best bet is to have a relative in the US to buy it from Emotiva & have your relative send it here via those pinoy friendly $50 flat rate balikbayan boxes.
Do take note also that the boxes used by Emotiva are large boxes - so either it may not fit the balikbayan box or you may have your relative re-pack it.
Re-packing it might void emotiva's warranty since their boxes are made to properly secure their hernia heavy amps ::)
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Thanks!Sir, I was thinking of the balikbayan box route actually. How bout the amp design and its built.Can anyone comment since the emotiva site have pic of their unit which let us see the stuff inside.
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Thanks!Sir, I was thinking of the balikbayan box route actually. How bout the amp design and its built.Can anyone comment since the emotiva site have pic of their unit which let us see the stuff inside.
Sir, you might like to start a new thread about Emotiva -Im sure some folks would like to get more info about the brand and their products.
Nakakahiya kasi kay sir Matz as this is a bada thread :)
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Just to clarify some assumptions and text messages that I received...
The amp in question is a BADA DC-200 and for the past few weeks I have been painstakingly trying to find out why it hums. I requested schematics but what the tech support sent does not correspond to the actual unit I have here (it's time for festivities in China), and so I have to do it the old and hard but proven way of reverse engineering the amp to try and understand what is going on.
In the virtue of fairness, I find nothing wrong with the circuit design, nor did I find anything new that I haven't seen in other solid state amps. For the technically initiated friends we have here, there's a symmetrical differential stage at the input along with their corresponding cascodes and back to back current mirrors and the story goes on along the multiple output stages - sorry, no new circuit technology/implementation/technique to play around with. It's a textbook case actually, but a proven one too.
So what's wrong? The only thing I could think of that could cause such a hum problem is grounding.
We already know that the circuit design is not the problem, I reiterate that especially for those who sent text messages, phone calls asking me what is wrong. The problem is the printed circuit board (pcb) design, signal and input ground traces are routed along large current carrying ground return paths instead of having heir own trace going to the center of the main filter caps. Even the zobel (boucherot cell) is routed there, good thing is that the speaker ground return wire is hardwired to the psu ground.
As with everything else in life, this is not 100%, but this sure is the most probable cause of the hum in my book. As for the solution, well, I was brought up to believe that there is always a solution for every problem but I'm afraid I have to leave it at that for now for I'm a bit busy with a non-electronic project at the moment.
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Sir Jojo, Pardon me, i don't know any technicality about spec and so on, but were all the other branded solid state amp you have seen supposedly wiring done this way? Or just some Bada unit are wired incorrectly in this case,vtec3,riven 319& mine having this humming sound, while other Bada owner does not encounter any problem regarding their respective amp?
**In my opinion Bada should come out with an official statement why this humming sound occur since its been proven by our Master DIYers that this humming sound do exist . Bada products have following here in the Phil. and sold quite a few. Silence might not be golden at this point. Maybe Matz can direct the Engineers of Bada to this site and they can have some exchanges with our own PDVD DIYers and gurus. Then for none techie guy like me and some others, we learn. As suggested by TonyT. Its a community service.
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any updates?
you know, seller-buyer relationship does not end with payment or delivery of goods, there is such a thing as after sales service.....
if i were the seller, i would dispatch two of my techs to your place to investigate....
the findings can then be reported here to help others in the same predicament....this is comunity service, legaly seller is not bound, but for sake of delicadeza seller should do this...
my 2 centavos....
FYI, we even picked up the amps from ernie's place. It has been brought to service 2 times and techs cannot find any humming at their setup. Neither did we find any humming at our office when tested. Its worthy to note that the 3 amps did not have any humming in ernie's old house.
The last request of the techs was to borrow the pre-amp, but thats too tedious work already, thus we had to look for another alternative. So we decided to have JojoD look into the issue. The next problem was during that time, China is on a long 2 week holiday, thus we werent able to properly acquire the schematics needed by JojoD. So I would request a bit more patience (after their holidays) before we jump to conclusions or insinuate stuff here.
patience lang bros. :)
KUNG HEI FAT CHOY! :)
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Sir Jojo, Pardon me, i don't know any technicality about spec and so on, but were all the other branded solid state amp you have seen supposedly wiring done this way? Or just some Bada unit are wired incorrectly in this case,vtec3,riven 319& mine having this humming sound, while other Bada owner does not encounter any problem regarding their respective amp?
**In my opinion Bada should come out with an official statement why this humming sound occur since its been proven by our Master DIYers that this humming sound do exist . Bada products have following here in the Phil. and sold quite a few. Silence might not be golden at this point. Maybe Matz can direct the Engineers of Bada to this site and they can have some exchanges with our own PDVD DIYers and gurus. Then for none techie guy like me and some others, we learn. As suggested by TonyT. Its a community service.
How will they exchange here? In Chinese? ;D :D
Please be patient and dont jump to conclusions yet, we are trying to solve the problem.
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In the virtue of fairness, I find nothing wrong with the circuit design,
exactly my thoughts too, i wouldn't jump to conclusions until i see the design..... ;D
perhaps some pictures of the inards of the amp...and the user's set up may shed light into this matter...
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Its worthy to note that the 3 amps did not have any humming in ernie's old house.
After buying the amp. I have tested one and noticed there's a hum on 1 unit. I texted immediately to Matz. but since Matz suggested that it might be the speaker wire and power chord were mess up all together. I dismissed it since it might be due to the clutter and we were moving to our new place already. After a testing it in the new home. All three units produce this humming sound. All 3 units were plugged to a Bada Line Conditioner to a dedicated line that's well grounded since it was my spec. with the contractor (Pls. read my post on my experience)
How will they exchange here? In Chinese?
Please be patient and dont jump to conclusions yet, we are trying to solve the problem.
I have been doing business with China medium scale company and they can communicate well in English since they now have the luxury of interpreter.By the way,Bada is doing business in Europe and USA.
I'm not jumping into conclusion, Matz, what i want is to learn what went wrong since its a fact that something went wrong. Riven unit(in his post) was purchased last Dec. and out of the box, there's this problem already.He find ways to rectify to no avail.(Did this guy get a solution?) Vtec3 unit also produces this humming sound and yet he did not find the answer. On page 13 of Bada Hybrid thread. A poster (Sanabagan) experienced the same problem, but sadly this post was not given a reply. So, getting a response from Bada even in CHINESE will not be a bad idea.
my 1 centavo lang po.
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and the user's set up may shed light into this matter...
Sir,
For Audio i use a Primaluna Prologue 2 with a Njoeb Tjoeb CD Player. tap to a pair of Usher 6371(wired tweak by Diymaster. Oh! Sir, you should hear Jacintha breathe, the d & t&s ending of each phrase) No Humming problem whatsoever.
For movies & concerts i use a Denon receiver 3805 as pre-out currently powered by Rotel 1066 since the 3 Bada is on sick bay(come to think of it)Actually, I still have no chance to sit down and seriously listen to the Bada running my Usher. (Sir, you should also listen to how Carly Simon sing here) no humming whatsoever. Oppo 983 for DVD, PS3 for Blu-Ray, Toshiba Xa2 for HDDVD. Surround(Dipole & Direct) are produce by Castle Speakers (England). Bass by REL & SVS. All these equipments and settings were check by Diymaster(Anthony).No Problem too.
Room Treatment. Front Dead end Matz acoustic Panel(Excellent), side with all the bass traps, resonators & diffuser (Ideas,knowledge and computation courtesy of Threadlock. Consultation with fellow Pdvd streetsmart)
Thank You Sir for trying to help me solve this mystery.
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Sir, you might like to start a new thread about Emotiva -Im sure some folks would like to get more info about the brand and their products.
Nakakahiya kasi kay sir Matz as this is a bada thread :)
Ooops! Sorry. Got carried away.
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me too deals with the chinese, i buy tube sockets direct from china....
i believe you have a legitimate concern, let us just hope they get resolved in the near future....
lessons learned here can guide others with the same predicament....
i also pray that this does not turn into a finger pointing event, but simply a just resolution of a legitimate concern....
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me too deals with the chinese, i buy tube sockets direct from china....
i believe you have a legitimate concern, let us just hope they get resolved in the near future....
lessons learned here can guide others with the same predicament....
i also pray that this does not turn into a finger pointing event, but simply a just resolution of a legitimate concern....
Likewise,Sir. I really am curious what really happen!!
Thank You Sir for your inputs. It really help us non-techie guy.
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Sir Jojo, Pardon me, i don't know any technicality about spec and so on, but were all the other branded solid state amp you have seen supposedly wiring done this way? Or just some Bada unit are wired incorrectly in this case,vtec3,riven 319& mine having this humming sound, while other Bada owner does not encounter any problem regarding their respective amp?
**In my opinion Bada should come out with an official statement why this humming sound occur since its been proven by our Master DIYers that this humming sound do exist . Bada products have following here in the Phil. and sold quite a few. Silence might not be golden at this point. Maybe Matz can direct the Engineers of Bada to this site and they can have some exchanges with our own PDVD DIYers and gurus. Then for none techie guy like me and some others, we learn. As suggested by TonyT. Its a community service.
As far as the other power amps (seps and int) that I had the pleasure of opening up are concerned, the answer to your question is no. For example, Rotel's RB-981 power amp and NAD C352 integrated amp, their power ground, signal ground, and chassis grounds have separate ground paths that meet in one point (star grounding). This is also true even for tube amps, consider the Conrad Johnson MV-52 tube power amp, it also has a printed circuit board that follows the star grounding conventions.
Just to clear things up, the electronics inside are not "wired", they have a trace/path in the pcb. I don't know if your amps pcb, along with those who have the same problem have different board "revisions" from those others who have bought the amp but did not experience your problems.
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exactly my thoughts too, i wouldn't jump to conclusions until i see the design..... ;D
perhaps some pictures of the inards of the amp...and the user's set up may shed light into this matter...
right, let's figure the cause of the problem and find the solution... ;D
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here is another thing you can do....you can email the manufacturer directly, stating the model number and serial number of your amp, and then also your current setup, just as you described in your post above.
let us find out what their response would be....
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i also pray that this does not turn into a finger pointing event, but simply a just resolution of a legitimate concern....
You may have prayed too late sir, read the above posts again, werent fingers pointed already while the solution was still being sought? Are they helping at all in the resolution of a legitimate concern? Let me also pray for patience! :)
I have been doing business with China medium scale company and they can communicate well in English since they now have the luxury of interpreter.
Then you should understand how hard it is to communicate with them during their 2 week long holidays, even with an interpreter. I have emailed and even made long distance calls in your behalf but no response - Even in Chinese...Well, the automated "the # you dialed is unavailable" was in Chinese. ;D
So the "silence is not golden" , and service insinuations (ahem), can be hasty & premature conclusions, since the answer to the problem really isnt known yet.
"Silence is golden" at this point is not really wrong, specially when the answer or irrevocable evidence isnt there yet. ;)
Riven unit(in his post) was purchased last Dec. and out of the box, there's this problem already.He find ways to rectify to no avail.(Did this guy get a solution?) Vtec3 unit also produces this humming sound and yet he did not find the answer. On page 13 of Bada Hybrid thread. A poster (Sanabagan) experienced the same problem, but sadly this post was not given a reply.
Riven's unit was given the Bada 30 day money back guarantee since it was below 30 days. Read their posts, and the humming does not bother Vtec3 enough to ask for service. But we will service it if he requests. After we find out whats wrong with your unit, we will service Sanabagan's and Vtec upon their request.
I even offered you a service unit but you did not answer. Replacement is questionable since it may exhibit the same problems in your setup (as the consultant said about this grounding phenomenon), w/c did not occur in many other buyer's setup. Money back at this point is of course, way less than reasonable.
As far as service is concerned we did everything we reasonably can. So I ask for reasonableness too on other's behalf. Please.
And of course, patience! :)
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How will they exchange here? In Chinese? ;D :D
Please be patient and dont jump to conclusions yet, we are trying to solve the problem.
THE POST BELOW WAS IN RESPOND TO THE ABOVE STATEMENT YOU POSTED.
I have been doing business with China medium scale company and they can communicate well in English since they now have the luxury of interpreter.By the way,Bada is doing business in Europe and USA.
Lets get everything in order so as not to sound too sarcastic. I' just a guy solving a problem. No pun intended. That's what we are doing here, to solve the problem. Patience is a virtue that i really believe.
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So the "silence is not golden" , and service insinuations (ahem), can be hasty & premature conclusions, since the answer to the problem really isnt known yet.
"Silence is golden" at this point is not really wrong, specially when the answer or irrevocable evidence isnt there yet. ;)
This statement was taken out of context as my post was this. Please:
**In my opinion Bada should come out with an official statement why this humming sound occur since its been proven by our Master DIYers that this humming sound do exist . Bada products have following here in the Phil. and sold quite a few. Silence might not be golden at this point. Maybe Matz can direct the Engineers of Bada to this site and they can have some exchanges with our own PDVD DIYers and gurus. Then for none techie guy like me and some others, we learn. As suggested by TonyT. Its a community service.
Its only a suggestion and an opinion of mine to the request of a community service.
I have always praise your service as top notch and never in doubt. Dont mean any service insinuation.
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Riven's unit was given the Bada 30 day money back guarantee since it was below 30 days. Read their posts, and the humming does not bother Vtec3 enough to ask for service. But we will service it if he requests. After we find out whats wrong with your unit, we will service Sanabagan's and Vtec upon their request.
I even offered you a service unit but you did not answer. Replacement is questionable since it may exhibit the same problems in your setup (as the consultant said about this grounding phenomenon), w/c did not occur in many other buyer's setup. Money back at this point is of course, way less than reasonable.
As far as service is concerned we did everything we reasonably can. So I ask for reasonableness too on other's behalf. Please.
And of course, patience! :)
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Riven 319 got 1st unit then another unit which both exhibit humming
Vtec3 have 1 unit with humming but did not request for service
Sanabagans post was not answered and was only brought up by me while i'm lookin for answer
Mine 3 units humming.
So can we safely say that Bada now have 7 Lemons got out of their factory?Can we check all this unit if their serial numbers are in consecutive order and same person who assemble this?
Yes, it is true that i was offered a service unit but did not respond as i see it as a waste of time. I never requested for any replacement or refund. See, as i have been saying your service is top notch.
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racksrus ikaw ba yan?
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I'm keeping my silence here til' this gets resolved. Will continue to monitor this thread for a concrete solution. I encourage everyone to do the same. ;)
I have a bada myself.
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racksrus ikaw ba yan?
Sorry, I'm not racksrus whoever he or she is. I dont know your intention. Please do not muddle the issue. Thanks! Its a legitimate concern and lets not turn this into circus. Set partisan aside. Matthew is an acquaintance of mine, He knows me. But being that doesn't mean we cannot discuss openly issue like this, BADA CHINA should be proud that the Phil distributor is active and upgrading their products and its technicalities. GENTLEMEN.
Racks r' us is newly reopened restaurant, is it?
"A SPADE is a SPADE and will always be a SPADE"Lets leave it this way.
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I have a bada myself.
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I introduced a Bada hybrid to a very dear friend of mine which currently being use to power the whole house pipe in music, it was sold through Audible Illusions. No problem that i know of until this time.
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racksrus ikaw ba yan?
He is not. I know Ernie and he is a friend of mine also. I don't think he means to ruffle the feathers of sir Matz or Bada. I think he just have a legitimate problem that needs resolving. Im a bada owner myself and I don't have any problem with the unit.
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He is not. I know Ernie and he is a friend of mine also. I don't think he means to ruffle the feathers of sir Matz or Bada. I think he just have a legitimate problem that needs resolving. Im a bada owner myself and I don't have any problem with the unit.
Thanks! Noel.
This is for the good of the community who has same interest with Bada products.
I sincerely hope Bada(CHINA) will look into this matter then their next product line will be something to watch out for after they come back from their drawing board. But we have to wait a little while more since the spring festival will end next week and chinese start trekking back to their work.
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racksrus ikaw ba yan?
LOL, He isnt. Ernie is an acquaintance of mine and we have gone to each other's houses , had long talks and text sessions.
He is a nice guy.
Lets get everything in order so as not to sound too sarcastic.
I didnt mean it that way, you know I joke around a lot in person. But ok, lets try to get things in order.
I have always praise your service as top notch and never in doubt. Dont mean any service insinuation.
My apologies, I was counter-insinuating that to someone else.... It wasnt meant for you. :)
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**In my opinion Bada should come out with an official statement why this humming sound occur since its been proven by our Master DIYers that this humming sound do exist . .
For the record, there is no denying that there is a humming noise. The 2nd time Ernie's unit was returned for service, I heard a slight hum at one inch away from the tweeter of a 92 db speaker. Jojo confirmed this and can hear from no more than a foot away, but from normal listening distance it wasnt audible.
So can we safely say that Bada now have 7 Lemons got out of their factory?
Here is the thing: I checked on my Rotel 985 a few days ago with pre-amp off. Guess what? It hums too at 1 inch away from my ears on a 90db sensitivity speaker!!! Ricky also read that this happens to other bigger Rotel amps in many forums. An expert I consulted says this phenomenon happens even to expensive PRO amps. These last 2 were mentioned on pages 1 & 2, but guess what?...ignored.
Is it safe to say that we got Rotel lemons?
I remember TonyT once mentioned: "You cant go wrong with a Rotel"
A question to ponder is: Did we go wrong with a Rotel?
Why is it being automatically pinned to be Bada's mistake alone when this phenomenon happens to other amps too? This is the part that really got me wondering.
Is this fair? :'( :'( :'(
The main point I like to stress, while we are trying to find the solution, is there should be IMPARTIALITY. If this "hums here, but doesnt hum there" phenomenon is to be harshly blamed on BADA alone, the other amps which exhibit this same phenomenon should be equally addressed too.
At the center, the problem is ground loop phenomenon...
My 2 cents lang po, and where is the Rotel service center? ;D
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Matz, No harm done. I alway know that you are a fair person and a good christian.
ok. Lets get it on.wala ng kokontra,since we are now solving both the Bada and Rotel problem all at once. ;D ;D ;D
To all Rotel & Bada owner, please share some inputs if you encounter this humming problem and lets all learn and share what we can do. DON'T BE SHY GUYS. THE MORE INPUTS,THE EASIER IT WILL BE FOR US ALL.
We are one community and inputs like this will help those in need. Thanks! Gentlemen
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Is it safe to say that we got Rotel lemons?
I remember TonyT once mentioned: "You cant go wrong with a Rotel"
did I? :D
okey let me modify that statement, "You can not go wrong with either Rotel or Bada" unless of course you end up with a lemon of a unit....and this is not surprising, the law on statistics says that there will be a few units falling outside of the bell curve....malas molang pag sa iyo natapat.
@Matzer, i do not think anybody can fault you for any legitimate concerns about you products for as long as you do your best to address them even if the results are still wanting, after all you merely distributed the goods, you did not design nor produce them......
as long as you are on the ball then you are okey... ;)
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racksrus ikaw ba yan?
hi ernie! i was just asking cause "racksrus" is a big bada fan (like me) but he is unforgettable ;)
he also boosts up bada sales ;D
peace sir matz and ernie hope this gets resolved (as always) ;)
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Matz. Any Update?
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Here is the thing: I checked on my Rotel 985 a few days ago with pre-amp off. Guess what? It hums too at 1 inch away from my ears on a 90db sensitivity speaker!!! Ricky also read that this happens to other bigger Rotel amps in many forums.
I can also attest to this. With my setup, Yammy 659 + Rotel 1075 + Mission M3is, i can hear hum 1 - 4 inches from the tweeter @ -20DB. Increasing the volume to +10 to +15DB, i can hear the hum at my usual listening position.
Just backread this thread and i'm also interested with the update.
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newbie po. tatanung ko lang kung nag 5 channel ako na power amp. do you think my system will be more lively? kasi po ngayon parang laid-back yung system ko. i want it more exciting. i'm using a harman kardon avr-347.
and sir pwede pa pm na rin po yung 5 channel na bada and anung dimensions niya.
thank you
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HAPPY LABOR DAY TO OUR CHINESE COMPATRIOT WHO WILL HAVE A LONG LABOR DAY CELEBRATION. I HOPE THERE'S UPDATE THIS TIME WITH THIS BADA ISSUE SINCE THE NEXT CELEBRATION IS MOONCAKE FESTIVAL !!!
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To all Rotel & Bada owner, please share some inputs if you encounter this humming problem and lets all learn and share what we can do. DON'T BE SHY GUYS. THE MORE INPUTS,THE EASIER IT WILL BE FOR US ALL.
We are one community and inputs like this will help those in need. Thanks! Gentlemen
Like brader Matz, I also have a Rotel RB-985 which I use for Ht & so far have no complaints on humming or anything. I also use a Rotel RB-981 for audio setup & dont hear anything. Well, I dont put my ears right next to the speaker anyway, so if there is i guess I wouldnt know hahahahaha :D ;D
Also, I try not to buy amplifiers during the Christmas seson - kasi minsan may kasamang libreng christmas hum eh hahahahahaha :D ;D
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hi ernie! i was just asking cause "racksrus" is a big bada fan (like me) but he is unforgettable ;)
he also boosts up bada sales ;D
peace sir matz and ernie hope this gets resolved (as always) ;)
Haay parang kailan lang ;D Makakain na nga ng angus beef ;)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=75702.msg795587#msg795587 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=75702.msg795587#msg795587)
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:D LOL racksrus happy new year to you! saan na si fita? :D
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Haay parang kailan lang ;D Makakain na nga ng angus beef ;)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=75702.msg795587#msg795587 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=75702.msg795587#msg795587)
I'l still go for WAGYU. :P :P :P
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Finally, after so many months, was able to painstakingly reduce the hum of a dc200 specimen I got. I had to do it "old school" way for the schematics that were sent to me (yes, there were 3 different revisions) were useless and donot correspond to the actual unit that I have (or this may have been a latter revision board).
I found 3 things that contributed to the low hum I heard in it's stock form. Grounding, feedback loop, and transformer orientation.
Now I have to strain myself to hear a hum from my Wharfdale 9.5 speakers. However, I don't have an acoustically treated room so the amp may still exhibit some hum in such a case.
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Maganda pa sa BADA eh hindi nagiinit! kahit 2 movies straight normal lang ang temp nya (ave volume lev -20). :D :D
The reason why it does not even get warm is that the opts were biased so low, roughly ~3mA per device.
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The reason why it does not even get warm is that the opts were biased so low, roughly ~3mA per device.
pardon my non-electronic-oriented mind sir jojo, but I'm curious to know the layman's explanation for your statement hehe.... if it's good or bad.
btw, it's good to know things are being worked on from another angle :) i wish this project well and I'm awaiting for the outcome. kudos!
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pardon my non-electronic-oriented mind sir jojo, but I'm curious to know the layman's explanation for your statement hehe.... if it's good or bad.
btw, it's good to know things are being worked on from another angle :) i wish this project well and I'm awaiting for the outcome. kudos!
This amp is a Class AB power amp, the output devices are biased so as to eliminate crossover distortion when the two complimentary output stages alternately conduct. In simplest terms, tt has been said that the region where the outputs are biased is when it is in Class A operation and once this bias has been breached, the amp will shift to Class B, hence, Class AB.
It has also been common practice among manufacturer's to keep the bias a little bit high but not to eliminate crossover distortion but to force the amp to maintain Class A operation longer before shifting to Class B during loud passages in the music material. This however comes at a price, more heat is generated even at low listening levels, hence, lower efficiency.
It's not a question of good or bad, I would never post such statements for it's subjective and I leave that to the user.
The reason why I posted that is to give information with the post stating that even after 2 movies and at a certain volume level the amp doesn't even seem to warm up. With such a low bias current, you can watch movies all day long and my hard disk would be warmer than the amp.
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Please pm me the current price for the BADA 5 Channel Amplifier.
Thanks.
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I havent seen Matzter post in awhile.......hope he's doing ok :)
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Bada DC-220 (2channel stereo integrated amp) driving Wharf Diamond 9.5.
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Bada DC-220 (2channel stereo integrated amp) driving Wharf Diamond 9.5.
nice amp sir! 2 x 90w integrated amp! kayang kaya ang 9.5!
ako naman DC-200 ang type ko! i hope may mag benta ng ganito sa marketplace at a bargain price...yung walang hum ha ;D
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this bada thread is a delight. malapit na nman ang pasko, pero ayoko ng may christmas hum, kahit libre pa. i hope resolve na ang mga dating issues with some users :)
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newbie here po and interested of getting a bada stereo integ amp later (for my starter stereo set-up).
guys, pls help me in simple comparative analysis..
BADA DC-222 (90w/ch - integrated audio power amp)
NAD C325BEE (continuous 50w/ch, integ amp)
hk 3490, 120w/ch, stereo receiver).
(im eyeing to pair them with 1 of these bookshelves: wharf diamond 10.5 or MA B2 or b&w 685)
1) sound quality wise, any idea (theory or experience) how good is the performance of DC-222 (or other bada stereo integ amps) compared to particular two models above?
2) and to have a better idea, could you please give approximate SQ leap in percentage terms? (i.e. like product A is 10 or 50% SQ improvement over product B, plus other thoughts if any)
3) malayo po ba talaga ang SQ difference ng mga integ amps compared to stereo receivers (like hk 3490)?
kung hindi naman po kc significant ang SQ difference, i'd rather go with stereo receivers (coz of features).
BADA WEBSITE in english: DC-122 > http://www.badahi-fi.com/eng/detail.asp?id=129
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hi sir/s,
seems that my bada 2 channel amp has a minor problem. i observed that
there's a "airy" sound coming on the left side. at first, i thought it was
from the speaker but when i put it to the right speaker connection,
the sound was gone. it came back when i returned it to the left speaker
connection. just to make sure, i put the right speaker to the left connection
and it too produced that "airy" sound.
hay pano kaya to? ??? :-[ :'( ... any inputs will be appreciated.
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pardon my ingnorance, what is an "airy sound"? ;D
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was it a hissss sound?
was it bought brand new or pre-owned? have you also tried connecting the left to the other speaker?
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@TonyT
sorry for the term "airy" sound hehe but it is like something is blowing
@JohnE
not a hissss but its like something is blowing
not a preowned.. bought it brandnew about 2 years ago
yes, ive tried interchanging the speakers / and cables, only the left side has that problem
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@TonyT
sorry for the term "airy" sound hehe but it is like something is blowing
@JohnE
not a hissss but its like something is blowing
not a preowned.. bought it brandnew about 2 years ago
yes, ive tried interchanging the speakers / and cables, only the left side has that problem
yikes! after 2 years anu tsaka nagka problema.
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any updates about the issues on the BADA amplifiers?
Q: would the issue be considered an isolated case for some units only or would this be considered as possibly a problem on the circuit design and may or would eventually be a possible issue for all models?
thanks for any clarification...
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Probbaly isolated case. As of now, my 2-year old unit still working in good condition. Haven't encounter any problem yet.
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there should be "after sales" service.....ask the seller about it...
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sirs, inquire ko lang, how would the BADA Intergrated Hybrid go against a BADA 2ch power amp and a tube preamp?
lets say both are in the same price range?
example would be a BNEW BADA Hybrid integrated vs a 2nd hand BADA power amp with like a 2nd hand AMX tube preamp?
thanks...
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BTW: just to add, this will be used to power a pair of 602s3....
thanks po ulit...
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i'll go for power amp + tube preamp.. ;D atleast here I have flexibilty in any combination... :D
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thanks sir, hope other could also chime in lalo na yung nasa sitwasyon ko rin dati... kung pinili nyo man ung hybrig over the other, bakit? thanks again... :)
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Ako naman sir I chose the bada dc 222 because I wanted a simple setup, still a newbie at that time and wanted to try a tube amplifier, I love to tinker with things kasi, and tube rolling was on my mind, para iba iba naman ang flavor :D (pero mahal din pala tubes uses 4 12au7's) but you still can find some bargains out there kahit used basta ok pa pwede na, I actually got interested while reading this thread too, so I went to SGT in makati brought my speakers which is an AE evo1 at that time, sabi ko kay butch (patient guy) :) I need an amp i'd like to audition bada dc222 and others you might have, the other one was nad c352 also a good amp that was within my budget, tried it side by side at medyo nahirapan talaga ako at times the nad sounded better than the bada :D it's got lush vocals, and warm sounding, but I know the bada can do better by changing the tubes to NOS, I have been also reading a lot online and most of them said to dump the stock tubes, with that on mind, I got the bada bahala na, bought some used raytheon blackplates and parang may na alis na vail and the sound opened up, at siguro na brake in na rin, also tried rca's and this matched well with my system, I use a musical fidelity Vdac as a source and epos m5 speakers, by the way not all bada amps have issues I think only on particular models not sure though, If you are near paranaque, you can bring over your speakers, on weekends lang ha, para ma try mo sa amp :D. pero pasensya na sir maliit lang house namin. Hope this helps Goodluck :)
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thanks sir blue fopr the offer, BTW: now that you have made some changes on the BADA, how does that compare to the sound you heard from the NAD before?
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Hi Zitro, I really don't know how it compares side by side now, but when I changed the tube, the amp just went to another level, I like the midrange most of all, vocals are lush and emotive, and the background is blacker, instruments are well defined, with power to spare, my volume level at the most is only around the 10'oclock position lang solve na ako :D. I mostly listen to jazz, so it suits my taste, it really is subjective sir, system matching is really the key IMO, kaya audition before you buy, sir bring your speakers or vice versa when you'll be getting your amp so at least you have an idea on how it will sound, ang mahal kasi tapos baka hindi bagay di ba sayang naman ;).
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thank you so much sir blue, sa totoo lang, its been quile a while na, i think around 5 years na nawala ako dito... napunta kase ako sa car audio, pero after spending much or so much on car audio plus yung pagod ko, i was not satisfied as compared to my home setup before, kaya nag decide ako mag go back, buhayin yung HT ko dati and plan na for my stereo setup... wala pa naman ako right budget for the complete set ngayon so sourcing out information muna sa mga current lines available...
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I'm about to set up my HT. I'm a newbie who learned a lot from this forum. My question is, I have an Onkyo 1009 with Paradigm Studio Series as speakers (all are not yet installed. I'm still waiting to finish my room construction). I also have a 5 channel BADA amplifier. Is it better to use the BADA amp on this setup or just hook the speakers directly to the Onkyo receiver? Thanks a lot
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I'm about to set up my HT. I'm a newbie who learned a lot from this forum. My question is, I have an Onkyo 1009 with Paradigm Studio Series as speakers (all are not yet installed. I'm still waiting to finish my room construction). I also have a 5 channel BADA amplifier. Is it better to use the BADA amp on this setup or just hook the speakers directly to the Onkyo receiver? Thanks a lot
Try connecting the onkyo to the bada ext power amp. You might like it ;D
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sometimes, the shorter the route of the signal from the source to your speakers the better for the sound...but YMMV..... ;D
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I'm about to set up my HT. I'm a newbie who learned a lot from this forum. My question is, I have an Onkyo 1009 with Paradigm Studio Series as speakers (all are not yet installed. I'm still waiting to finish my room construction). I also have a 5 channel BADA amplifier. Is it better to use the BADA amp on this setup or just hook the speakers directly to the Onkyo receiver? Thanks a lot
Significant ba yung power output difference ng BADA power amp and the Onkyo 1009 at all channels driven?
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Try connecting the onkyo to the bada ext power amp. You might like it ;D
Yeah, yung main speakers mo kabit mo sa BADA tapos yung surrounds at center sa onkyo. ;D
Para spread ang work hehe!!!
Medyo natawa lang ako ng maisip ko to:
PARANG BAGAY ANG JAMO speakers sa BADA amps ;D
Ano JAMO? BADA??? :D
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I would try using the bada in all 5 channels or at least all the fronts L,C and R and then the Rears sa AVR and see which is better.
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This thread discussed a lot of humming issues way back 2009, do the new users or the newly acquired units still exhibit that humming sound? I must admit, BADA is a very affordable power amp and it would be tempting for anyone to purchase it.
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Are BADA amps still being sold today?
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Ala Peanut Butter Sandwiches! BADA!!! ;D
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Are BADA amps still being sold today?
Yes, they are still sold locally. :)
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Yes, they are still sold locally. :)
amazingly, still at the same price as it was 4 years ago sa S&S, AVshop, Hifi Lounge etc..
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Significant ba yung power output difference ng BADA power amp and the Onkyo 1009 at all channels driven?
At all channels driven sir Louie parang mas malakas ang BADA, 135w @2 channels driven yung 1009, the BADA is 120w L&R channel + 110w center & surrounds.
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anong class ng amplifier ang BADA DV500?
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anong class ng amplifier ang BADA DV500?
Class AB po sir.
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Class AB po sir.
ot ng konti ano ba mas maganda AB or D amp?
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ot ng konti ano ba mas maganda AB or D amp?
Magkaiba lang sila ng design. Both have general advantages and disadvantages. Saka may magandang Class D amp and may maganda ding Class AB amp, may panget na Class D amp and may panget din na Class AB amp.
A decade ago, Class AB ang default choice for sound quality tapos Class D ang choice for power and efficiency. Because of the development in Class D amplification, good designs can now post performance numbers comparable to high end Class AB amplification. Switching noise, bandwidth and HF interaction issues had been largely addressed. Dumadami na ang Class D amplifiers sa high end audio because of this.
Simpler and well-understood ang usual causes ng poor performance ng Class AB amps, so most amp makers build their own discrete Class AB circuitry. Dahil mas maselan ang Class D design (saka most of the time ICs ang gamit), the majority of makers end up sourcing proven modules na lang from suppliers which they integrate into their design.
Andyan din ang less common Class A, Class B, Class G and Class H designs. Di sila common kasi Class A masyado wasteful sa kuryente at mainit, Class B efficient sana pero madalas medyo mataas ang distortion, Class G and Class H hindi ganun kaworthwhile kung di naman high power application (like sa pro audio and subwoofers).
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amazingly, still at the same price as it was 4 years ago sa S&S, AVshop, Hifi Lounge etc..
magkakano ito classmate?
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thanks bro ivan! :)
naghahanap kasi ako ng murang power amp. di pwede sakin yung mga gamit ninyo nila paul na diabolic amps :P
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thanks bro ivan! :)
You're welcome, Master Jamy. Hahakot ka na naman.
naghahanap kasi ako ng murang power amp. di pwede sakin yung mga gamit ninyo nila paul na diabolic amps :P
Wala ako nyan. Sa CD-R King speakers lang ako nakikinig.
(http://www.cdrking.com/apanel/modules/products/images/large/14792_10.jpg)
Pero madami talaga amps ngayon. Wyred4Sound meron na locally kung gusto mo ng Class D na maganda. They use the same modules as far more expensive brands. Separate ang power supply per module kaya halos walang IMD maski isagad mo ang load sa lahat ng channels.
(http://raindropaudio.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/img_1181c.jpg)
Baryang barya lang sayo. Teka, OT na tayo.
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magkakano ito classmate?
around 22-25K bnew for the DV-500
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thanks bro, tanungin ko nalang sa aking dealer kung meron :)
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ot ng konti ano ba mas maganda AB or D amp?
maganda yun explanation ni bro Ivan, pero think of it this way... most technologies in the automotive industries are tried and tested in races, then adopted to commercial applications. Yan Class D matagal na yan, although in the industry it is still considered as a young technology that still needs to prove a lot and improve a lot.
ang maganda lang, QSC, Crown and other pro audio amps are making use of the Class D, and these companies are very well funded, meaning better research so in a short span of time reliability should not be a problem anymore.
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thanks bro ivan! :)
naghahanap kasi ako ng murang power amp. di pwede sakin yung mga gamit ninyo nila paul na diabolic amps :P
Ayaw mo pa kasi nung Forte Audio amp ko, nelson pass design and made in the US, 220v, palit lang nang sony experia mo ;D.
Sorry for the O.T.