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Title: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 16, 2008 at 08:17 PM
NHK 7 o'clock News (Sat 16 Feb) reported that Toshiba has decided to iniate the withdrawal phase of HD DVD business.  It is reported that production of HD DVD player at Aomori plant is about to be stopped.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/2008/02/16/d20080216000104.html
Title: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: striderhiryu1 on Feb 16, 2008 at 09:30 PM
Toshiba to exit HD DVD, end format war-NHK

http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSL1627196120080216

TOKYO (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp is planning to stop production of equipment compatible with the HD DVD format for high-definition video, allowing the competing Blu-Ray camp a free run, public broadcaster NHK reported on Saturday.

Toshiba is expected to suffer losses amounting to tens of billions of yen (hundreds of millions of dollars) to scrap production of HD DVD players and recorders and other steps to exit the business, Japan's NHK said on its website.

No one at Toshiba could be reached for comment.

The format war between the Toshiba-backed HD DVD and Sony Corp's Blu-Ray, often compared to the Betamax-VHS battle in the 1980s, has slowed the development of what is expected to be a multibillion dollar high-definition DVD industry.

Toshiba was dealt a blow on Friday when Wal-Mart Stores Inc said it would abandon the HD DVD format, becoming the latest in a series of top retailers and movie studios to rally behind Blu-ray technology for high definition DVDs.

Toshiba plans to continue selling HD DVD equipment at stores for the time being but will not put resources into developing new devices, NHK said.
Title: Re: The War is Over: Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Feb 16, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Another related article: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/International_Business/Toshiba_to_pull_out_of_HD_DVD_biz/articleshow/2787936.cms

TOKYO: Japan's Toshiba, which has led the HD DVD video disks format, plans to withdraw from the business as it is losing the battle against rival Sony's Blu-ray format, a report said on Saturday.

The company is in the final stage of deciding the pullout, public broadcaster NHK said without naming sources.

The report came after top US retailer Wal-Mart on Friday drove another nail into the coffin of HD DVDs by announcing it would shift to exclusively selling movies on Blu-ray. Toshiba would take HD DVD machines off store shelves and cease production and research for future models, NHK said.

Losses could reach tens of billions of yen (several hundred millions dollars) if the company decides on the pullout, it said. No comment was available from Toshiba on Saturday. The HD DVD camp also includes Microsoft, Intel, Universal Home Studios, and Paramount Home Entertainment.

Wal-Mart's announcement came in the week that major electronics seller Best Buy and online video rental giant Netflix declared their allegiance to Blu-ray, a new high-definition format promoted by a coalition led by Sony.

The death of HD DVD has been heralded since January, when Warner Brothers studio, Hollywood's largest distributor of DVDs, pulled out of an alliance with Toshiba and switched to Blu-ray.

Industry analysts and electronics makers maintain the format war has stifled sales of high-definition DVD players because consumers are waiting for a victor before plunking down money for the expensive new technology.

The loser of the battle will become a mere footnote in consumer electronics history, much the way Betamax was forgotten after VHS became the technology of choice for home video players, according to industry analysts.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Ctlim on Feb 16, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Wow... looks like alot of Harakiri's are in order... :(
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 16, 2008 at 11:19 PM
What happened here?  I didn't open this thread.  The moderators did?

Take note, the literal Japanese translation was "according to sources related to Toshiba"..thus Toshiba's official confirmation is yet to be heard of still... but it's NHK's so I guess it should be reliable enough.   And it's Saturday so I'd rather give Toshiba some break until Monday.   

If this is all confirmed by next week, what a ruthless massacre these past 1.5 months ne.  Amazing how blazingly fast events unfolded.  An excellent technology killed swiftly by the studios and the retailers.

Ok, let's watch some hd movies.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: tonedeaf on Feb 16, 2008 at 11:42 PM
not fair! my hd-dvd player hasn't even arrived yet. hahaha!

does this mean a price drop for hd-dvd titles? hmm.. will collect as many as i can.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 16, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Stopped all my HD DVD orders and happily waitng for the blu versions to be announced. BTW, I thought the players are made in China so what HD DVD models were made in Japan?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: juanch on Feb 17, 2008 at 01:15 AM
 ??? ???

Oh well, I enjoyed it while it lasted.

I'm keeping my player though, there are enough movies on hd-dvd to make it worth keeping
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Feb 17, 2008 at 02:01 AM
Finally... Obviously this would happen the moment Warner turned Blu-ray exclusive.. Now I guess we have to wait for Paramount and Universal to say their piece..
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: frootloops on Feb 17, 2008 at 03:52 AM
Toshiba rumored to quit HD DVD as Wal-Mart pulls support
By Aidan Malley

Published: 06:00 PM EST

The conflict between high-definition disc formats is rapidly drawing to a close, as Wal-Mart is the latest store to back Blu-ray over HD DVD and Toshiba is reportedly poised to withdraw its format from the market in the near future.
 
Remaining support for HD DVD began to unravel on Friday morning when the Hollywood Reporter cited a source which claims Toshiba will shutter its HD DVD efforts "soon," with an announcement potentially due within weeks.

The apparently reluctant concession would follow weeks of steep decline in support for the optical disc standard, which began with Warner Bros.' switch to Blu-ray as its exclusive HD movie format just ahead of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Since then, Best Buy and Netflix have both chosen Blu-ray as their de facto choice for HD movies, relegating HD DVD to second-tier status and threatening to discontinue it entirely in the case of Netflix.

Several independent movie studios have also followed Warner's lead in opting for Blu-ray, with only Paramount and Universal now left as HD DVD supporters.

Just hours later, however, the likelihood of an HD DVD resurgence was dimmed even further by an official announcement by Wal-Mart that it would focus solely on Blu-ray. A statement issued by the big-box retailer on Friday revealed that the company would reorganize shelf space at all its Wal-Mart and Sam's Club stores within 30 days to promote Blu-ray alone. HD DVD products will exit the company's product channel entirely by June.

Wal-Mart's decision is anticipated to be especially damaging to HD DVD's prospects, as the nationwide chain is often regarded as the single largest video sales outlet in the US and is sometimes cited as a potential obstacle to widespread adoption of online movie downloads through its influence over movie studios' pricing.

And while Toshiba officially remains confident in HD DVD, its frequent partner Microsoft has itself seemingly scaled back its normally vocal endorsement of the beleaguered storage medium, says the Reporter. The Windows developer's technology evangelist for HD DVD, Kevin Collins, has reportedly failed to respond to multiple requests for comments.

Apple has largely kept to the sidelines during the battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD, providing small amounts of support to both camps while declining to build either technology into its Mac range.


Source: AppleInsider
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 17, 2008 at 05:01 AM
BTW, I thought the players are made in China so what HD DVD models were made in Japan?  ??? ??? ???

Most likely the Japanese domestic models with HDD and HD DVD-R recording functions (RD-A Series 600/300/301), the flagship model with pillar shaped legs, and high-technology components of overseas HD DVD players.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: andre on Feb 17, 2008 at 07:05 AM
I had a couple of HD-DVD movies, But I never bought a player for it. Most of my collections are BD for my ps3 player. But I'm really glad the format war is over.
Now please release the transformer on BD format.  ;D 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: john5479 on Feb 17, 2008 at 07:16 AM
If Toshiba pulls the plug then we just have to wait when Universal and Paramount will release their new titles on Blu-Ray.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: pekspert on Feb 17, 2008 at 07:47 AM
hey if the a35 would sell for $100 id still buy one, it would still make a great upscaling sd-dvd player ;)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Feb 17, 2008 at 08:54 AM
hey if the a35 would sell for $100 id still buy one, it would still make a great upscaling sd-dvd player ;)

It can upscale but then limited to just one region of DVDs.. Only if there is a way to unlock these units..
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Moks007 on Feb 17, 2008 at 09:59 AM
Arigato toshiba for everything. I salute you. You made hidef affordable to early adopters.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 17, 2008 at 10:29 AM
It can upscale but then limited to just one region of DVDs.. Only if there is a way to unlock these units..

May firmwares pa ba ilalabas ng Toshiba? If not, then puwede na ipa kalikot sa mga hackers...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 17, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Ito daw ang magiging press release ng Toshiba America...Hehehe

"We have long held the belief that HD DVD is the best format for consumers based on quality and value, and with more than 1 million HD DVD players on the market, it's unfortunate to see Toshiba make the decision to only stock Blu-ray titles going forward."
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: pekspert on Feb 17, 2008 at 10:45 AM
May firmwares pa ba ilalabas ng Toshiba? If not, then puwede na ipa kalikot sa mga hackers...

theres a code for everything, its out there. Its just a matter of time before someone leaks it out. ;)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Ito daw ang magiging press release ng Toshiba America...Hehehe

"We have long held the belief that HD DVD is the best format for consumers based on quality and value, and with more than 1 million HD DVD players on the market, it's unfortunate to see Toshiba make the decision to only stock Blu-ray titles going forward."


hehe they started that template since Warner
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Having neither formats, I guess it's now easy for me to enter the HD world with a winning format.  But I have always rooted for HD DVD as the best value for the money based solely on what I have read.   This may be late in the day, but here's an article that is closest to my conviction eversince this silly format war started.


Sound Advice: Blu-ray wins in format war, but at what cost?
Saturday, January 12, 2008
By Don Lindich

In the past I have strongly recommended the HD DVD format as the best choice for consumers. Surprising developments this month led Warner Bros. to drop support for the format, which likely will lead to a Blu-ray victory in the format war. I started receiving inside information about a week before it happened and will recount the story here.

Warner Bros. publishes on both HD DVD and Blu-ray and found the "format war" was not only slowing the adoption of high-definition discs, but also hurting their regular DVD sales -- clearly an untenable situation for them. They wanted to bring the format war to a quick close by picking a side.

If they chose HD DVD, studio support would be roughly equal but would likely go HD DVD's way eventually, as Warner is the biggest producer of high-definition discs. If they chose Blu-ray, studio support for Blu-ray would be lopsided and the war would end more quickly.

When rumors started flying publicly, I e-mailed Jim Noonan, a Warner Bros. vice president, who immediately replied that they had not decided to change their policy. A WB executive in New Zealand issued an even stronger public statement denying imminent changes.

Obviously, they had decided to change -- they just didn't know the direction. Given their long partnership, Warner gave Toshiba an opportunity to lure a Blu-ray studio to HD DVD, in which case they would go HD DVD exclusive and give HD DVD a clear studio advantage. This did not happen, despite much-rumored negotiations, and Warner went with Blu-ray.

With no studio joining them on the HD DVD side, Warner's hand was forced and it went with Blu-ray, receiving a reported $500 million for doing so.

Obviously I am saddened by the implications for my readers, the industry and consumers, but still believe I recommended the better, more solid format, which was much more affordable, as well.

I was at their booth at the Consumer Electronics Show and regretted I could not find a single stand-alone player worthy of recommendation -- and if HD DVD goes away, the cost of entry to high-definition movies will be doubled. It's sad for the consumer, really.

My mind and my heart were in agreement that HD DVD was the way to go. To not recommend HD DVD would not be true to my own convictions, and it would be unfair of me to not recognize Toshiba's accomplishment in bringing an affordable, fully developed product to market.

Many in the industry agreed with me, and no one in the media expected Warner to pull the plug so quickly when HD DVD stand-alones were selling so well this holiday season. As for my future course, I will recommend the Playstation 3 to people who want Blu-ray until fully specified Blu-ray Profile 2.0 players are available and their performance matches the PS3.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08012/848675-96.stm
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Feb 17, 2008 at 11:30 AM
I guess initially the cost of Blu-ray softwares and hardwares will be expensive but in the long run if these are not selling well, the cost will eventually go down.  Just like what happened with DVD discs and DVD players.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2008 at 11:45 AM
yup anyone remember how much a DVD first costs? at Amazon even 300 BD is just $20
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2008 at 12:03 PM
I guess initially the cost of Blu-ray softwares and hardwares will be expensive but in the long run if these are not selling well, the cost will eventually go down.  Just like what happened with DVD discs and DVD players.

That should be expected.  But for how long, and with SONY lording it, I wouldn't bet on it yet.  I'm afraid that for as long as Blu ray technology hasn't fully matured (and also cannot be pirated besides with China-generic players flooding the market) , it will have a longer and different evolutionary path or history from DVD.  Bear in mind also that DVD technology patents was and is half-owned by Toshiba, sharing it with Sony that averted a potential format war in 1996.  Now, the BD format is almost Sony, despite having the BD consortium.

Having said that, the distributors have chosen the format that will make entry to the HD world expensive at this time, as the article above indicates.  The cost will evevtually go down as the technology matures.  But HD DVD has shown that its more mature technology already can do that for consumers now.   If anything, this format war has shown than Toshiba is really just a minor player in the world of consumer electronics. with no marketing and diplomatic savvy that Sony has.  With no more than 2% of the total HT market worldwide, the endgame for HD was obviously decided by distributors.   And Toshiba capitulated easily. This format war will be one great case study to be dissected in Masteral and Doctoral courses.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: pekspert on Feb 17, 2008 at 12:15 PM
actually i think, since theres no longer competition, bluray will even costs more. How do you think sony will get its investment (ie. those payoffs or lagay  they made to the studio companies, bestbuy, walmart..etc.) back? though im not a toshiba fan, I honestly thought hd-dvd was better for the consumer.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2008 at 12:19 PM
errr 17 companies hold BD patents, its not Sony who has the bigger share of the IP, its Panasonic, Sony kinda just became more known coz of its decision to put a BD drive in the PS3
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I honestly thought hd-dvd was better for the consumer.

It is.  Like I said and what most pundits in other AV forums have said, this war was finally settled by the distributors.  Not the market who is probably as misinformed or ill-informed about high def technologies as anyone.  We're just talking about a 2% market penetration on HD.  And the distributors are finding the penetration too slow for them to make a good quaterly profit statement.  So they just have to put their foot down and decide for the market.

actually i think, since theres no longer competition, bluray will even costs more.


Your fears are not yours alone.  You only need to go back during the launch days to know that had it not been for HD DVD, BD players would have been priced at ridiculous levels with an immature technology using an old MPEG2 video format using storage hungry LPCM tracks.  No wonder they needed BD50.

But that's all water under the bridge, as they say.  So with the new BD spec 2 enabling their java-based interactivity features, you can expect the cost of new generation standalone players to remain high.  But I won't mind being wrong here.  ;D  Also bear in mind that SONY products are always priced higher than any competing brand for the same features.  Their upscale mentality is everywhere.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2008 at 12:24 PM
actually i think, since theres no longer competition, bluray will even costs more. How do you think sony will get its investment (ie. those payoffs or lagay  they made to the studio companies, bestbuy, walmart..etc.) back? though im not a toshiba fan, I honestly thought hd-dvd was better for the consumer.

Payoffs? i wonder where you got those sources, even that $500m payoff was just an imagining of some blogger which some news site picked up which has long since corrected them, anyways I'm glad this war is over, oh wait some HD-DVD die hards are even pushing for downloads vs BD @_@
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: tonedeaf on Feb 17, 2008 at 12:25 PM
i really don't have much love for Sony. their TVs are overpriced. so is the PS3. so I don't think they will bring down the cost of blu ray (players or software). its against its nature. hehehe.

i hope i'm wrong though. will blu-ray really be the next big thing? or will it suffer the same fate as the laser disc and mini disc and whatever else have been introduced after the betamax and the dvds? abangan.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM
i really don't have much love for Sony. their TVs are overpriced. so is the PS3. so I don't think they will bring down the cost of blu ray (players or software). its against its nature. hehehe.

i hope i'm wrong though. will blu-ray really be the next big thing? or will it suffer the same fate as the laser disc and mini disc and whatever else have been introduced after the betamax and the dvds? abangan.

errr everybody is forgetting that Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung, LG etc... are also selling BD drives and in Europe alone, HD discs (including HD-DVD) is outpacing the growth of the DVD since it started

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/international/news/e3if908f8e7990b7157065a14eacddd44ae

"The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) announced today that they have broken the two million discs sold milestone in Europe, only two months after selling their one millionth disc. According to research done by GfK International, a total of 2.4M Blu-ray discs have been sold across Europe since the format launched. This equates to 79% of the high definition market.

In December alone, a half million Blu-ray discs were sold during the important holiday season. The biggest seller during this time was 'Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End' which sold nearly 100,000 units. Coming in second was 'The Simpsons Movie' followed by 'Casino Royale'. During this time, Blu-ray sold at a 3-to-1 ratio over rival high definition formats.

When comparing this success to DVD, the results are even more impressive. The second year of DVD resulted in 230,000 players and 2M discs sold. For Blu-ray, it has resulted in 3.5M players (3.2M PS3s and 340,000 standalone players) and 2.3M Blu-ray discs sold."

i doubt things will slow down now that the format war is over and again BD is not Sony's format, its Matsucrapa(Panasonic), Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp and Samsung also
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2008 at 01:39 PM
errr 17 companies hold BD patents, its not Sony who has the bigger share of the IP, its Panasonic, Sony kinda just became more known coz of its decision to put a BD drive in the PS3

Yes,  Panasonic under MEI (Matsus**ta) was the original in the concept and research.  But it was SOny and Pioneer who had parallel and complementing concepts and made the prototypes as early as 2000.  And it was to Sony's credit that they allied with their former enemy in the VHS-Beta format wars. With mighty MEI in the technology department and the marketing savvy of SONY, they have a better footing in the ensuing format wars.   But I don't think Sony's prominence in the HD wars started because they insisted on putting the BD drive in the PS3.  The HD war was already being fought earlier than that with Sony at the helm of the marketing psyche wars in media long before.  Panasonic was conspicuously very silent in all these.  You can say that Sony is the most visible and most vocal advocate in the media for the BD side in the format war.  That's why Sony is the easiest to get the flak, rightly or wrongly.  The same can be said of Toshiba with HD DVD in the DVD consortium.

A note on the BDA.  This is a commercial and licensing body created to further develop the format and integrate all the necessary patents to make BD work and functions as a one-stop shop for licensing BD to any CE interested in selling the product.  It was created in March 2002, years after the core fundamental patents for BD have already been granted to MEI and Sony.  Yes, Sony on its own does not have all the patents for BD.  But with all things considered, it is SONY that would have lost the most if it didn't win the format war. Prestige and its share prices being the overriding losses they couldn't afford.  Little to do with the technology patents. Hopefully the other members of the BDA can release BD players cheaper than what Sony has and will have.  But they would still have to pay for the core technology patents owned by a few companies, notably Sony and Panasonic.  The BDA is supposed to share those patents among its contributors.  But those deals are not for public use and I would suspect the licences for these could be steep.  Maybe their $50,000 and 20,000 annual membership fees as board member and contributors, respectively,  to the BDA will take care of that.  ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: dmaximus on Feb 17, 2008 at 01:56 PM
haay. this is sad. :-\ magsasamantala na ang blu ray nyan. kawawa kaming mga mahihirap. hehe.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2008 at 02:05 PM
haay. this is sad. :-\ magsasamantala na ang blu ray nyan. kawawa kaming mga mahihirap. hehe.

Lagi namang kawawa ang mahihirap eh.  Sa lahat ng bagay.  In the first place, they're not supposed to indulge in High Def.  At least not at this time. Medyo upscale/elitist at may snob appeal pa yan.   Magtiyaga na muna tayo sa DVD.    ;D  Malupit ba?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2008 at 02:31 PM
errr Sony was voted by the BDA as its spokesperson that's why ^_^ anyways if you check the avg price of BD and HD-DVD in Amazon, halos the same, mas cheaper nga ng 50 cents ang BD lols http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ cheaper talaga ang HD-DVD player kasi heavily subsidize ng Toshiba et al. ^_^ anyways enough of this war which just ended, have to decide which to buy during March, dami maganda, I, Robot or I am Legend  ???
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 17, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Come to think of it, the fact that Toshiba priced their HD DVD player in much more consumer friendly level could have been one of the reasons for its lack of support from CEs and retailers.  Even in Japan, those HDD and HD DVD-R recording capable Toshiba HD DVD models are no more than half the prices of equivalent Sony and Pany BD/BD-R/HDD recorders...practically the same functionality and the latest high tech features except for the format of the high def disk.  And perhaps for that reason, the CEs and retailers would rather sell the more expensive format because the potential for profit looks better.  Afterall the HDM is still very much a niche market.   Why would a CE support a new technology video player if the leading company already sells it for less than $200 within 2 years from its commercial release, not to mention the threat of Chinese "equivalent" products?    Potential for profit from hardware sales is biggest during the growth stage of the market.

But given the situation as it is, not that I'm bothered at all, but I don't know how the other BD player makers would actually compete against the PS3 and be profitable.  And as many people think, B1G1 will be a thing of the past.

It doesn't matter who the actual head of BDA is.  Within the belly of the beast, every Japanese who reads or listens to some kind of news understands Blu-ray = Sony and Toshiba = HD DVD, much like Plasma = Panasonic while LCD = LCD.  But what difference does it make.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2008 at 03:52 PM
well one thing is for sure, its going to be an interesting week ^_^ Stay tuned....
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Moks007 on Feb 17, 2008 at 06:11 PM
errr everybody is forgetting that Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung, LG etc... are also selling BD drives and in Europe alone, HD discs (including HD-DVD) is outpacing the growth of the DVD since it started

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/international/news/e3if908f8e7990b7157065a14eacddd44ae

"The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) announced today that they have broken the two million discs sold milestone in Europe, only two months after selling their one millionth disc. According to research done by GfK International, a total of 2.4M Blu-ray discs have been sold across Europe since the format launched. This equates to 79% of the high definition market.

In December alone, a half million Blu-ray discs were sold during the important holiday season. The biggest seller during this time was 'Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End' which sold nearly 100,000 units. Coming in second was 'The Simpsons Movie' followed by 'Casino Royale'. During this time, Blu-ray sold at a 3-to-1 ratio over rival high definition formats.

When comparing this success to DVD, the results are even more impressive. The second year of DVD resulted in 230,000 players and 2M discs sold. For Blu-ray, it has resulted in 3.5M players (3.2M PS3s and 340,000 standalone players) and 2.3M Blu-ray discs sold."

i doubt things will slow down now that the format war is over and again BD is not Sony's format, its Matsus**ta(Panasonic), Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp and Samsung also


I may be wrong here, but somebody out there that is very good in math pls tell me if my calculation/formula is correct
Second year:
DVD = Discs sold = 2,000,000
          ------------------------------- =  8.69 discs per unit
         Players sold = 230,000

Bluray = Disc sold = 2,300,000
          ------------------------------- = 0.65 discs per unit
         Players sold = 3,500,000

I know, I know attach rate argument again, but this really dont make sense to me, I don't know what BDA is bragging about with these figures. Can somebody  tell me if my calculation is right? Or are all these BD figures inflated. ::) I still don't get their argument this is better than dvd's second year figures

2,300,000 disc sales or O.65 attach rate is pitiful

They may be comparing 3.5 million players vs. 230,000 dvd players and 2,300,000 versus 2,000,000 discs sold
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2008 at 07:08 PM
aha you are counting the PS3, mahirap i count who bought this one just for movies or games ^_^ don't forget that was just the 2nd year ^_^
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 17, 2008 at 07:36 PM
MY TWO CENTS - 2/16/08 - by Digital Bits editor Bill Hunt


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According what we've been able to gather from various stories in the Japanese press, Toshiba management was meeting very soon anyway (probably next week) to officially pull the plug, but the timetable may have been moved up given last week's retailer announcements. Someone at Toshiba HQ apparently leaked the information to the Japanese media Saturday afternoon (Tokyo time) and the thought is that leaking it early will make it easier for the company to make an official announcement, possibly as soon as Monday (thanks to Keiko S. for the links and information).

All that's left now IS for Toshiba to make an official statement, followed (or perhaps preceded) by long-awaited announcements of Blu-ray Disc support from Universal and Paramount, which we now expect very soon. Word is that Paramount will be able to quickly shift gears back to Blu-ray, as they already have experience working with the format (and some unreleased BD titles have already been replicated - think the titles that were cancelled last year at the last minute when the studio abandoned Blu-ray - or at least have finished masters ready for replication). Universal on the other hand, will take longer to ramp up, as they're at least two years behind the other Hollywood studios in working with the format (though one would expect the BDA to provide them help in getting up to speed as quickly as possible).

On that note, we've suddenly begun hearing from multiple retail sources that new Paramount Blu-ray titles have just begin appearing in their inventory software as "on order" or "available for pre-order," including Blades of Glory  and (apparently) Transformers. Yes, you read that right. We have yet to officially confirm this, but we're working to get more information on it. For the record, I was unable to get a response from Paramount on Friday (they seem to be in a bit of a media "lockdown" mode at the moment - which is probably no surprise given last week's events).

This is it folks. This thing was messy and costly and, in many of the online enthusiast forums, at times mean-spirited  and downright bloody. But it's OVER. And as far as we're concerned here at The Bits... IT'S ABOUT GODd**n TIME!!!

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Pardon the French (and the pun), but d**n. TWO YEARS of this bulls--t!

We'll bring you more as it comes in. Stay tuned...


http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 17, 2008 at 08:06 PM
CNBC:Toshiba to Give Up HD DVD, Give in to Sony: Source

Toshiba is planning to give up on its HD DVD format for high definition DVDs, conceding defeat to the competing Blu-Ray technology backed by Sony, a company source said on Saturday.

The move will likely put an end to a battle that has gone on for several years between consortiums led by Toshiba and Sony vying to set the standard for the next-generation DVD and compatible video equipment.

The format war, often compared to the Betamax-VHS battle in the 1980s, has confused consumers unsure of which DVD or player to buy, slowing the development what is expected to be a multibillion dollar high definition DVD industry.

Toshiba's cause has suffered several setbacks in recent weeks including Friday's announcement by U.S. retailing giant Wal-Mart that it would abandon the HD DVD format and only stock its shelves with Blu-ray movies.

A source at Toshiba confirmed an earlier report by public broadcaster NHK that it was getting ready to pull the plug. "We have entered the final stage of planning to make our exit from the next generation DVD business," said the source, who asked not to be identified. He added that an official announcement could come as early as next week.

No one answered the phone at Toshiba's public relations office in Tokyo.

NHK said Toshiba would suffer losses running to tens of billions of yen (hundreds of millions of dollars) to scrap production of HD DVD players and recorders and other steps to withdraw from the business.

Hollywood studios had initially split their alliances between the two camps, meaning only certain films would play on any one DVD machine.

The balance of power tipped decisively toward the Sony camp in January after Time Warner studio said it would only release high-definition DVDs in Blu-ray format. With that, studios behind some three-quarters of DVDs are backing Blu-ray, although some release in both formats.

Toshiba responded by slashing prices of HD DVD players, but the loss of retail support has hurt.

In addition to Wal-Mart, consumer electronics chain Best Buy and online video rental company Netflix also recently signed up to the Blu-ray camp.

The exclusive backing of Microsoft was also put in doubt when the software giant said in January that it could consider supporting Blu-ray technology for its Xbox 360 video game machine, which currently works only with HD DVD.

Sony has spent large sums of money to promote Blu-ray in tandem with its flat screen TVs and its PlayStation 3 game console, which can play Blu-ray movies.

The Toshiba source said the experience would not be a total loss for the sprawling conglomerate, whose products range from refrigerators to power plants, which would learn valuable lessons.

"Marketing was a weak point for Toshiba. We learned a lot from HD DVD. Strengthening marketing will continue to be an issue for us going forward," the source said.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/23196949
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2008 at 08:35 PM
Heads probably should start rolling in Toshiba's marketing and public relations department.   I have already opined in another forum that Toshiba's HD DVD presence in many AV media and showrooms is pathetic right from the start.  They have failed to muster support from CEs and didn't go far enough with studios even when it was clear from the start who had a reasonably good headstart as far as market penetration for standalone players was. They had Round One of the war in their favor.  Their attach rates was high.  They were prepared to undertake a price war.  And they had the Chinese manufacturers to support HD DVD.  And they failed miserably to follow it up with the right advertising and information campaign to neutralize the Sony BD juggernaut for their target markets, nor did they have the diplomatic PR muscle to win away the CEs and studios from BD. 

At the end of the day, the slow pick-up of HD sales prompted distributors like Wal-Mart and Blockbuster and now Warner to decide who should win the war.  They could have picked HD DVD, but Toshiba's strategy of heavy discounting hurt them as much as helped them drum up sales.  Indeed, as Clondalkin has pointed out above, none of the CEs found the profit margins for HD DVD attractive enough to support the format, if at all there is any profit. And with just a handful of CEs on their side, even if the studios were split almost in the middle supporting both, the major distributors didn't find it a prudent business decision to choose HD DVD.  It was more expedient to choose BD as it would now be a lot easier and faster to flood the market with BD players from the many CEs in BD's fold starting now.  Had they sided with HD DVD, it will still take a long time for the CEs to switch sides. 

In the VHS-Beta format wars, it was the market that decided who won after a rather long war.  This time, with only 2% market penetration, the market was in no position to decide the war and would rather sit it out.  Early adopters who mostly comprised the 2% of the HT market had players for both formats.  It was the distributors who decided the war.  This is going to be an excellent case study at graduate schools everywhere. 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Moks007 on Feb 17, 2008 at 09:02 PM
aha you are counting the PS3, mahirap i count who bought this one just for movies or games ^_^ don't forget that was just the 2nd year ^_^

But again check out the statement they said. They said bluray has sold 3.5 million PLAYERS ( 3.2 PS3 340,000 standalones.
They are counting the ps3, bec they say 3.5 PLAYERS. Based on standalones only the attach rate is 6.76 (2.3M divided by 340,000 Standalone), If you count the Ps3's pa used for bluray then your attach rate will be so low that its so disappointing. Assuming 20% use ps3 as players, then its only 2.34 attach rate ( 2.3 M divided by 340,000 + 640,000) I think the ps3 used as bd players is more than 20%, which will put the attach rate to near zero.

Let's just see nalang what will happen after hddvd is gone, and the so called baloney "confusion" is gone. I say baloney "confusion" is for one reason only. A lot are arguing about they dont want 2 formats bec daw it causes confusion like playing a hddvd disc on a bluray player or vice versa, or some other reasons. If sa disc lang they are confused, what more for doing FW updates for players. People argue that their kids can do it for them, most people are high tech now (its the so-called computer age). I really dont think so imo. Thats why I dont believe in this confusion two format baloney. If they cant figure out Red cover disc in toshiba and blue case disc in Sony, panasonic etc. To me this is the most simple thing to do, simpler than connecting to net and doing upgrades, restart etc. etc. Imagine pa if they will download it and put it in disc. It gets more complicated for some.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: pekspert on Feb 17, 2008 at 09:07 PM
Payoffs? i wonder where you got those sources, even that $500m payoff was just an imagining of some blogger which some news site picked up which has long since corrected them, anyways I'm glad this war is over, oh wait some HD-DVD die hards are even pushing for downloads vs BD @_@

do you really believe that a public company like bestbuy or walmart would publicly admit that they chose the other format because they were offered money? of course all youll hear are rumours because you wouldnt hear a public confirmation from those companies......err you might as well believe too the PNP official explanation that the glorietta explosion was caused by methane gas ;D :D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Moks007 on Feb 17, 2008 at 09:21 PM
do you really believe that a public company like bestbuy or walmart would publicly admit that they chose the other format because they were offered money? of course all youll hear are rumours because you wouldnt hear a public confirmation from those companies......err you might as well believe too the PNP official explanation that the glorietta explosion was caused by methane gas ;D :D

Yup its all about money, studios and the CE  will make money on the higher priced blu-ray. It's really a no-brainer for them who to support. All of them get incentives Im sure.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2008 at 09:27 PM

Let's just see nalang what will happen after hddvd is gone, and the so called baloney "confusion" is gone. I say baloney "confusion" is for one reason only. A lot are arguing about they dont want 2 formats bec daw it causes confusion like playing a hddvd disc on a bluray player or vice versa, or some other reasons. If sa disc lang they are confused, what more for doing FW updates for players. People argue that their kids can do it for them, most people are high tech now (its the so-called computer age). I really dont think so imo. Thats why I dont believe in this confusion two format baloney. If they cant figure out Red cover disc in toshiba and blue case disc in Sony, panasonic etc. To me this is the most simple thing to do, simpler than connecting to net and doing upgrades, restart etc. etc. Imagine pa if they will download it and put it in disc. It gets more complicated for some.



yes, the confusion seems real on the surface.  But it's mostly from the vast majority of HT enthusiasts who until now,  still can't even figure out the settings for their multichannel DVD set-up.  What more for high def.  You'd be amazed how many have Plasma and LCD TVs still using composite or s-video connections to their progressive scan DVD players.  ;D  We at PDVD are a lot more informed than most. 

And when BD has so much presence and hype in the media while the other camp hasn't, there really isn't so much confusion as total and partial ignorance about the other side that offers a more mature product.   And for that, I put the blame for the demise of HD DVD squarely on the shoulders of Toshiba and the DVD consortium.   
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 17, 2008 at 09:41 PM
Back to the subject... everything is under the bridge now. HD DVD has lost and will be forgotten with all the other failed technology, a lot of which are Sony products BTW...hehehe.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: krazy on Feb 17, 2008 at 09:57 PM
Back to the subject... everything is under the bridge now. HD DVD has lost and will be forgotten with all the other failed technology, a lot of which are Sony products BTW...hehehe.

But this isn't the first time a Sony product won a format war, the first was actually a much less publicized format war in the professional/broadcast TV industry where Sony's BetaCam (Betamax's professional cousin) became the industry standard, beating out Panasonic/JVC's M2 format (based on VHS) which was a complete flop ;)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2008 at 10:06 PM
yeah parang OT na tayo ^_^ lets see what the PR guys at Tos hiba will say about this ^_^ tomorrow is going to be interesting, will Paramount return to the BD fold? will Universal finally admit defeat? the drama continues.....
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 17, 2008 at 10:19 PM
The most interesting thing that can happen tomorrow is if Toshiba does not announce anything or deny NHK's Saturday night prime news.    ;D ;D ;D.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Moks007 on Feb 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Im really naman in favor of HDM to succeed no matter what. It really blows away dvd, I tried watching straight one to two months hdm bec I have lots of catching up to do and I went back to watch a couple of dvd this weekend. Man it was frustrating bec I am looking for the clearer picture. Of course I dont have the hi-end dvd players or video processors so maybe those will make the film closer to hidef. But with what I have im really looking for the clearer picture na close to hidef and its really malayo to hidef.

I really think they should make things simpler for the consumers like putting fw upgrades in the disc, and not brick the player. More excellent transfers. Not just 3 to 31/2 stars. They should make it all worth it. Now the big question is will they? There are tons of films that studios might not remaster  or have really good quality transfers to make it worth the upgrade. This is my main concern. However sometimes you cant help but to buy the film because of sale, bogo, or buy 2 take 3.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2008 at 10:24 PM
The most interesting thing that can happen tomorrow is if Toshiba does not announce anything or deny NHK's Saturday night prime news.    ;D ;D ;D.



or run that rehashed press statement template again  ::)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: techdude on Feb 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Just a thought, these bribes from Toshiba and Sony, for studios to switch sides are against Trust laws, isn't it?

Oh well, Bluray was saved by PS3 (without which standalone HD-DVD players would have sold more).   And now, PS3 will be saved by Bluray, as the anticipated sale boost will make it a contender to Wii and X360 in the console wars)...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Battousai on Feb 17, 2008 at 10:54 PM
BLu Ray winning the format war is all the more reason to finally get a PS3.  ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 17, 2008 at 11:05 PM
BLu Ray winning the format war is all the more reason to finally get a PS3.  ;D

I would be looking forward to Microsoft's move.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2008 at 11:36 PM
The silence from Microsoft at this time is deafening.  ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: chinista on Feb 18, 2008 at 01:18 AM
viva la bluray!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: john5479 on Feb 18, 2008 at 02:52 AM
Microsoft is pushing for downloadable content anyway and they can still push VC1 as the standard for encoding videos in Bluray.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: juneaki on Feb 18, 2008 at 07:56 AM
After the format war, wil there be a format civil war?

http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/blu-ray-format-war-civil-war
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 18, 2008 at 08:14 AM
hmmmm interesting Toshiba Japan hasn't issued any formal statements yet @_@ was NHK just blowing hot air? @_@
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Feb 18, 2008 at 11:29 AM
was NHK just blowing hot air?

Come on, that's NHK. It's not as if it was reported on TV Patrol.

 ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Come on, that's NHK. It's not as if it was reported on TV Patrol.
 ;D

NHK has had history of bogus documentaries FYI.  But I trust it more than Bill Hunt and I don't think NHK would bother to sensationalize and/or speculate about the high def war just like Bill Hunt.  If Toshiba is preparing to make an announcement in English, then perhaps it will be American time.    :)  If there is none, then it will be very interesting indeed.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: nels76 on Feb 18, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Angbilis ng mga pangyayari.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: 1ringwd4s on Feb 18, 2008 at 01:35 PM
This is happening too fast. So long HD-DVD.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 18, 2008 at 01:59 PM
Had the real powers allowed the consumer to actually decide on this format war, it would not have been this fast.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 18, 2008 at 05:25 PM
BLU RAY Fanbois Spokeperson...hehehe

 
MY TWO CENTS - 2/18/08 - by Digital Bits editor Bill Hunt

Okay... here's an early morning update with the latest news, and there are a few new pieces of information.

First, Forbes is now reporting 1) that the publication has confirmed today (Monday) with Toshiba that they're considering bowing out of the next-generation videodisc business, and that 2) the news has "met with approval from analysts and investors". And in what may be a bit of a silver lining in all this, Toshiba shares have apparently surged 5.9% on the news so far in afternoon trading today in Tokyo. From the text:

Cutting its losses on HD DVD could boost Toshiba's operating profit by 20% in the next fiscal year, Nikko Citigroup analyst Hiroyuki Masuko said Monday. He raised his rating on the stock to "buy" from "neutral."

Also, The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the announcement will likely happen "early this week." Here's a key new piece of information found in the WSJ article:

If Toshiba withdraws from the HD DVD business, Viacom Inc.'s Paramount Pictures and General Electric Co.'s Universal Pictures, both of which support the format exclusively, would be immediately released from their commitments, one of the people familiar with the situation said. Warner Bros., which is obligated to sell HD DVD movies through May under its contract, would also be freed from those terms. All three studios couldn't be immediately reached for comment.

We do, however, expect some kind of official statement from these studios in the next few days. Also reported in the WSJ piece:

Toshiba will likely continue to provide customer support for HD DVD players that it has sold, but it had no compensation plans in mind for consumers who have already purchased them.

The folks over at ars technica have some interesting new information on this today as well, including word that Toshiba's decision to bring an end to HD-DVD was in the works BEFORE the Netflix, Best Buy and Wal-Mart announcements last week, and that those companies were aware of the plans when they made their announcements.

Obviously, this is going to be the major topic of discussion in the industry over the next few days, so we ask your patience as we (and assuredly many others) follow new developments as they unfold.

We'll be back later this morning with any additional breaking news, as well as Barrie's new column. Stay tuned...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 18, 2008 at 05:35 PM
in a war, we had to take sides ^_^
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 19, 2008 at 03:31 AM
ineresting news here from the Nikkei publication

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/18/toshiba-expected-to-announce-death-of-hd-dvd-tomorrow-stop-sale/

"Despite Red's inability to make any real public statement, Japanese publication Nikkei has it that Toshiba president Atsutoshi Nishida will be announcing the final discontinuation of HD DVD tomorrow, as well as halted sales of hardware and media by March (as in days from now). Apparently Toshiba will pull its units from retail shelves, but has no intention to give burned early adopters any refunds (no kidding?); it sounds like the ceasefire will include the bare PC drives as well, so those hoping to keep using HD DVD as a personal data storage medium probably won't have much luck. Apparently the announcement will come alongside Toshiba's plans to build new semiconductor fabs, which we're sure they'll try to spin as an advancement that far overshadows the hill of beans (read: hundreds of millions) they've lost in the format war."
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Feb 19, 2008 at 06:33 AM
Bilis natapos ah... :D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 19, 2008 at 07:45 AM
24 hour watch na ngayon. All the news agencies (CNN, BBC, CNBC, WSJ...)  have already picked up the story and are waiting for the OFFICIAL announcement. If it does become OFFICIAL, will this immediately affect software production and distribution too?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: frootloops on Feb 19, 2008 at 08:17 AM
For now it looks like Blu-ray won the format war. But in my opinion, the real winner in the future is the SSD (solid state device) and Hard drive manufacturer. I can see that most digital content will resides in a "memory or hard drive". Look what happened to music: from vinyl to cassete tapes to MiniDisc to CDs to MP3 players (iPods,iPhones, Zune, etc). And there are signs that video/movies will follow the same route.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Moks007 on Feb 19, 2008 at 08:33 AM
For now it looks like Blu-ray won the format war. But in my opinion, the real winner in the future is the SSD (solid state device) and Hard drive manufacturer. I can see that most digital content will resides in a "memory or hard drive". Look what happened to music: from vinyl to cassete tapes to MiniDisc to CDs to MP3 players (iPods,iPhones, Zune, etc). And there are signs that video/movies will follow the same route.

I really dont like hd downloads, I like readily available discs better. Looks better for collection purposes hehe...Our internet speed is too slow for downloads. Hi speed internet here cost too much. Sabagay cheaper than buying discs na yan if you compare the pricing monthly. 3 thou lang ata monthly the 2MB speed?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 19, 2008 at 09:43 AM
With music, you only need to listen.  With video you need to listen and watch (and in the Wife's case - read).   MP3 was such a success because of portability, convenience, and I guess a lot of people, especially the younger ones, just don't care or learned not to care (as in my case) about lower fidelity music from such ultra-portable devices.  If you're gonna watch a movie on any screen sized 1" to 6", I don't think you need a high-def content because a DVD-quality movie would nearly look just as fine.

I am a fan of downloadable high def contents,  but I consider the experience of watching downloaded movies through PC,  and that of original disk through a full sized HT,  as two complementary ways of enjoying high def.  As many people think, HDM's main competition for a while will still be DVD.

For lack of any real developments on this topic at this moment, OT muna.   Sabi ni Bill Hunt 5pm Tokyo today pa eh.   :) :) :)  Is Bill Hunt's fee hourly or lump-sum?   Don't you think it is for Bill Hunt's financial benefit that this format war gets protracted?  What will he write about after the war is over?     :) :) :)

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Feb 19, 2008 at 11:12 AM
I really dont like hd downloads, I like readily available discs better. Looks better for collection purposes hehe...Our internet speed is too slow for downloads. Hi speed internet here cost too much. Sabagay cheaper than buying discs na yan if you compare the pricing monthly. 3 thou lang ata monthly the 2MB speed?

HD downloads cannot be saved permanently nor shared with friends.. Maybe if downloads of a full length movie takes only seconds then maybe its worth it.. Maybe 5 years from now its possible..
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 19, 2008 at 03:41 PM
Here is the news link to which Bill Hunt referred:

http://www.nikkei.co.jp/news/main/20080219AT1D180DU18022008.html
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 19, 2008 at 04:18 PM
as expected at 5pm Japan time

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2008_02/pr1903.htm

"Toshiba will begin to reduce shipments of HD DVD players and recorders to retail channels, aiming for cessation of these businesses by the end of March 2008. Toshiba also plans to end volume production of HD DVD disk drives for such applications as PCs and games in the same timeframe, yet will continue to make efforts to meet customer requirements. The company will continue to assess the position of notebook PCs with integrated HD DVD drives within the overall PC business relative to future market demand."

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: john5479 on Feb 19, 2008 at 04:45 PM
Yep HD DVD is dead. So when will Universal and Paramount start releasing in Blu Ray?  :)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Feb 19, 2008 at 04:53 PM
So let's move on and enjoy Blu-ray movies..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 19, 2008 at 06:14 PM
I guess we can now re-name the HD forums to just Blu Ray...

From Blu-ray fanbois posterboy...

MY TWO CENTS - 2/19/08 - by Digital Bits editor Bill Hunt

It's official. It's over. The Fat Lady is Singing!!!


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At a press conference with reporters just moments ago at the company's Tokyo office, Toshiba president Atsutoshi Nishida waved the white flag, confirming that his company is shutting down its HD-DVD operations.

Toshiba Announces Discontinuation of HD DVD Businesses

Company Remains Focused on Championing Consumer Access to High Definition Content

(FULL STATEMENT)

TOKYO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Toshiba Corporation today announced that it has undertaken a thorough review of its overall strategy for HD DVD and has decided it will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. This decision has been made following recent major changes in the market. Toshiba will continue, however, to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products.

HD DVD was developed to offer consumers access at an affordable price to high-quality, high definition content and prepare them for the digital convergence of tomorrow where the fusion of consumer electronics and IT will continue to progress.

“We carefully assessed the long-term impact of continuing the so-called 'next-generation format war' and concluded that a swift decision will best help the market develop,” said Atsutoshi Nishida, President and CEO of Toshiba Corporation. "While we are disappointed for the company and more importantly, for the consumer, the real mass market opportunity for high definition content remains untapped and Toshiba is both able and determined to use our talent, technology and intellectual property to make digital convergence a reality.”

Toshiba will continue to lead innovation, in a wide range of technologies that will drive mass market access to high definition content. These include high capacity NAND flash memory, small form factor hard disk drives, next generation CPUs, visual processing, and wireless and encryption technologies. The company expects to make forthcoming announcements around strategic progress in these convergence technologies.

Toshiba will begin to reduce shipments of HD DVD players and recorders to retail channels, aiming for cessation of these businesses by the end of March 2008. Toshiba also plans to end volume production of HD DVD disk drives for such applications as PCs and games in the same timeframe, yet will continue to make efforts to meet customer requirements. The company will continue to assess the position of notebook PCs with integrated HD DVD drives within the overall PC business relative to future market demand.

This decision will not impact on Toshiba’s commitment to standard DVD, and the company will continue to market conventional DVD players and recorders. Toshiba intends to continue to contribute to the development of the DVD industry, as a member of the DVD Forum, an international organization with some 200 member companies, committed to the discussion and defining of optimum optical disc formats for the consumer and the related industries.

Toshiba also intends to maintain collaborative relations with the companies who joined with Toshiba in working to build up the HD DVD market, including Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures, and DreamWorks Animation and major Japanese and European content providers on the entertainment side, as well as leaders in the IT industry, including Microsoft, Intel, and HP. Toshiba will study possible collaboration with these companies for future business opportunities, utilizing the many assets generated through the development of HD DVD.

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We'll have additional details as they come in.

Interestingly, it's being reported by Nikkei this morning (registration required) that some Toshiba executives actually considered suing Warner last month in response to what they considered the studio's betrayal. However (according to the article text):

But the firm realized that such action was impossible "without preparing for the worst, considering Hollywood's overwhelming influence on the U.S. industry," said one executive. America is Toshiba's main market for core operations like computer chips and nuclear power. A misstep there could easily cost a huge amount of business.

The piece also confirmed that as early as February 4th, Paramount was still willing to stick with Toshiba and HD-DVD, but a "sense of crisis grew" at Toshiba nonetheless. From the text:

In visits to U.S. firms in the HD-DVD camp and listening to what was being said between the lines, the executive sensed that things had changed.

Not surprisingly, the position now being adopted by at least one company executive is that "The new generation of DVD will be short-lived. There will be no winner." We imagine that said exec would be singing a slightly different tune were Toshiba in Sony's position this morning. In any case, now that HD-DVD is done, one would expect that Paramount, DreamWorks and Universal will announce their official changes of heart soon.

Oh, by the way... Fidel Castro also just resigned as president of Cuba. No, seriously. I'm not kidding. Busy day.

Stay tuned...



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: pchin on Feb 19, 2008 at 06:57 PM
Whoa finally the war has ended.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: wilson on Feb 19, 2008 at 07:42 PM
time to buy that ps3 :)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: frootloops on Feb 19, 2008 at 08:01 PM
I really dont like hd downloads, I like readily available discs better. Looks better for collection purposes hehe...Our internet speed is too slow for downloads. Hi speed internet here cost too much. Sabagay cheaper than buying discs na yan if you compare the pricing monthly. 3 thou lang ata monthly the 2MB speed?

We have the same sentiments and I totally agree with you. A lot of my friends ask me why do I still buy CD's and DVD's given that it is readily available for DL. I guess the thrill of "searching" and paying over the counter your most wanted titles still makes our day after all.  ;)

Hate to say but we want it or not, that’s where it’s going. I guess that’s why some still have their LPs or 4/8 tracks! Remember the time when Sony has the Walkman with cassette tapes? I bought the 2nd generation noong bagong labas yan. Come to think of it Sony again didn’t capitalized the digital Walkman… now called MP3 player!!! Funny how times flies!

Now, is it time to but those 2TB HD's?  ::)

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Munskie on Feb 19, 2008 at 08:57 PM
Now that its over, its time to move on and hope for more titles in Highdef.    Hoping for more pristine highdef transfers and lossless soundtracks.  Hoping too that hardware and software pricing will decrease gradually and for more ordinary consumers to adopt the format.   

At least now that the HD DVD is dead, I hope that there would be no more bickering about the war, in this board and other forums. ( and hoping to see less of Bill Hunt's rants and raves.....  ;D ;D ;D)

I would also take this opportunity to thanks Toshiba and HD DVD.  The format gave me my first glimpse of high definition, and I never looked back since.   If there is one thing that the format war gave, it gave enthusiasts like me to adopt easier thru competitive pricing, BOGOs and other deals.

Its now time for studios to deliver movies like Jurassic Park, Star`Wars, LOTR, The Godfather and the like in Blu-ray.  Bring them on so we can now turn are attention to watching and enjoying highdef movies!!  ;) 

         
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: sweetmisery on Feb 19, 2008 at 09:10 PM
Dead Red indeed.

Now bring on Cloverfield, King Kong, and the upcoming Iron Man movie to Blu-ray!


WOOOOOOO!!!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: pchin on Feb 19, 2008 at 09:14 PM
and hoping to see less of Bill Hunt's rants and raves.....  ;D ;D ;D)

Michael Bay should be very happy by now... ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 19, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Michael Bay should be very happy by now... ;D

i just hope its a BD50 encode lols
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: NeilNo on Feb 19, 2008 at 09:57 PM
The consumers have spoken!

Finally, time to buy/upgrade to a dedicated BD player!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Panasonic DMP-BD30 or the Panasonic DMP-BD50?

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 19, 2008 at 10:16 PM
The consumers have spoken!

Finally, time to buy/upgrade to a dedicated BD player!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Panasonic DMP-BD30 or the Panasonic DMP-BD50?



that depends, if you really want the BD Live functionality, i mean that player has 1 GB of memory XD so its expensive, for me BD30 will suffice
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 19, 2008 at 10:34 PM
C'MON UNIVERSAL AND PARAMOUNT! ANNOUNCE YOUR CAPITULATION AND GIVE US BLU RAY MOVIES!!!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 19, 2008 at 10:46 PM
C'MON UNIVERSAL AND PARAMOUNT! ANNOUNCE YOUR CAPITULATION AND GIVE US BLU RAY MOVIES!!!

and pls re-encode them for BD50
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba To Give Up on HD DVD
Post by: vp_ortiz on Feb 19, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Transformers on Blu-ray! Woohoo!
Title: The format wars is offically over...
Post by: viperkid on Feb 20, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Quote from: Yahoo! News
TOKYO - Toshiba said Tuesday it will no longer develop, make or market HD DVD players and recorders, handing a victory to rival Blu-ray disc technology in the format battle for next-generation video.

"We concluded that a swift decision would be best," Toshiba President Atsutoshi Nishida told reporters at his company's Tokyo offices.

The move would make Blu-ray — backed by Sony Corp., Matsucrapa Electric Industrial Co., which makes Panasonic brand products, and five major Hollywood movie studios — the winner in the battle over high-definition DVD formatting that began several years ago.

Nishida said last month's decision by Warner Bros. Entertainment to release movie discs only in the Blu-ray format made the move inevitable.

"That had tremendous impact," he said. "If we had continued, that would have created problems for consumers, and we simply had no chance to win."

Warner joined Sony Pictures, Walt Disney Co. and News Corp.'s Twentieth Century Fox in that move.

Nishida said his company had confidence in HD DVD as a technology and tried to assure the estimated 1 million people, including some 600,000 people in North America, who already bought HD DVD machines by promising that Toshiba will continue to provide product support for the technology.

Both HD DVD and Blu-ray deliver crisp, clear high-definition pictures and sound, which are more detailed and vivid than existing video technology. They are incompatible with each other, and neither plays on older DVD players. But both formats play on high-definition TVs.

HD DVD was touted as being cheaper because it was more similar to previous video technology, while Blu-ray boasted bigger recording capacity.

Only one video format has been expected to emerge as the victor, much like VHS trumped Sony's Betamax in the video format battle of the 1980s.

Nishida said it was still uncertain what will happen with the Hollywood studios that signed to produce HD DVD movies, including Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Animation.

Toshiba's pulling the plug on the technology is expected to reduce the number of new high-definition movies that people will be able to watch on HD DVD machines. Toshiba Corp. said shipments of HD DVD machines to retailers will be reduced and will stop by end of March.

Sales in Blu-ray gadgets are now likely to pick up as consumers had held off in investing in the latest recorders and players because they didn't know which format would emerge dominant.

Despite being a possible blow to Toshiba's pride, the exit will probably lessen the potential damage in losses in HD DVD operations. Goldman Sachs has said pulling out would improve Toshiba's profitability between 40 billion yen and 50 billion yen ($370 million-$460 million) a year.

The reasons behind Blu-ray's triumph over HD DVD are complex, as marketing, management maneuvers and other factors are believed to have played into the shift to Blu-ray's favor that became more decisive during the critical holiday shopping season.

Once the balance starts tilting in favor of one in a format battle, then the domination tends to grow and become final, said Kazuharu Miura, an analyst at Daiwa Institute of Research in Tokyo.

"The trend became decisive I think this year," he said. "When Warner made its decision, it was basically over."

With movie studios increasingly lining up behind Blu-ray, retailers also began to stock more Blu-ray products.

Friday's decision by Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the largest U.S. retailer, to sell only Blu-ray DVDs and hardware appeared to deal a final blow to the Toshiba format. Just five days earlier, Netflix Inc. said it will cease carrying rentals in HD DVD.

Several major American retailers had already made similar decisions, including Target Corp. and Blockbuster Inc.

Also adding to Blu-ray's momentum was the gradual increase in sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 home video-game console, which also works as a Blu-ray player. Sony has sold 10.5 million PS3 machines worldwide since the machine went on sale late 2006.

HD DVD supporters included Microsoft Corp., Intel Corp. and Japanese electronics maker NEC Corp.

Microsoft's Xbox 360 game machine can play HD DVD movies, but the drive had to be bought separately, and Nishida said about 300,000 people have those.

Worldwide sales of personal computers with HD DVD drives total about 300,000 worldwide, including 140,000 in North America and 130,000 in Europe, he said.

Recently, the Blu-ray disc format has been gaining market share, especially in Japan. A study on fourth quarter sales last year by market researcher BCN Inc. found that by unit volume, Blu-ray made up 96 percent of Japanese sales.

Sony said it did not have numbers on how many Blu-ray players had been sold globally.

Toshiba's stock slipped 0.6 percent Tuesday to 824 yen after jumping 5.7 percent Monday amid reports that a decision was imminent. Sony shares climbed 2.2 percent to 5,010 yen after rising 1 percent Monday.

Also Tuesday, Toshiba said it plans to spend more than 1.7 trillion yen ($15.7 billion) for two plants in Japan to produce sophisticated chips called NAND flash memory, which are used in portable music players and cell phones. Production there will start in 2010.

It actually saddens me since I own a HD-DVD player but then again my PS3 will be in my possession on April so yeah.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: stickfighter on Feb 20, 2008 at 02:27 AM
When something like this happens....you know what's next???

SARS ALERT...SARS ALERT...SARS ALERT!!!

Upgrade to Bluray... ::)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 20, 2008 at 02:57 AM
lols no need to rub it in =P anyways its funny but it turns out Warner may be the one supporting HD-DVD the longest lols
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: odyopayl on Feb 20, 2008 at 07:49 AM
When something like this happens....you know what's next???

SARS ALERT...SARS ALERT...SARS ALERT!!!

Upgrade to Bluray... ::)

No comptitor? Blu ray can now manipulate their price. Anyway, we can focus to BR for our next upgrade for HD movies
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: nels76 on Feb 20, 2008 at 09:03 AM
Ok ba CD Playback quality ng HD DVD Players? As in Audiophile grade ba?
Di yan masasayang. You can use them to play CDs and upscale DVD Movies.

Title: Xbox 360 to go Blu in May
Post by: SiCkBoY on Feb 20, 2008 at 09:16 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/19/xbox-360-blu (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/19/xbox-360-blu)

WE THOUGHT GAME DEVELOPERS might be the first to out this kind of info but noooo.

It seems cunning hacks from Aussie site Smarthouse have obtained a confession from a Microsoft insider claiming that the Vole may hatch a Blu-ray spawn for its gaming console, as early as May 2008.

According to Smarthouse, apart from the obvious dead-end that HD-DVD will become in no time at all, several Volish business partners have already informed the console-dabbling software firm of their intention to opt for the Sony format, forcing the Vole’s paw in the matter.

In all fairness, La Vole’s, “we’re committed to the HD-DVD camp” argument didn’t fly (or is this 20/20 hindsight?) – the fact that Xbox 360 didn’t ship with a HD-DVD unit was a dead giveaway.

Let’s see if Tosh buys a Blu-ray licence, now.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: electrohaus_lp on Feb 20, 2008 at 09:37 AM
 What if our muslim brothers in Quiapo start selling P*** HD DVD disc  . Would this signal that war is not yet over here....

Possible ? who knows
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 20, 2008 at 10:47 AM
What if our muslim brothers in Quiapo start selling P*** HD DVD disc  . Would this signal that war is not yet over here....
Possible ? who knows

Based on the thread "Pinoy High Def Adopter", what we have here is not a war but more like an isolated incident IMO. Besides, I think downloadable r*ps are much more reliable than P*** HD DVDs or BDs.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: antikryst on Feb 20, 2008 at 06:03 PM
sad sad news for everyone as i think BD will start imposing its higher prices to everyone.

still stocking on cheap hd dvds for now :)

ill get a BD player when it hits 200$ or so.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: jmigs on Feb 22, 2008 at 08:05 AM
Hopefully there will be a comeback...Toshiba can recuperate their loses when they bring HDDVD-Rs and drives to the masses. On the other hand that's quite funny you can back-up all your HDDVD movies then :)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: juneaki on Feb 22, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Now that the bluray camp emerged as the winner in the hd-format war, i am now contemplating on buying my first bluray player in February 29, 2012. ;D When the player is more matured and complete (standardized). ;D ;D And when the SRP is in a level comparable to DVD player of today. My Samsung upscaling DVD player still delivers so there's no need to rush besides i am not going to buy a Php 45K incomplete player.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 22, 2008 at 02:50 PM
really? i found a BD player for P18.5k here
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: Ctlim on Feb 22, 2008 at 05:19 PM
Japanese stores taking HD DVD off shelves--officials


Agence France-Presse
First Posted 16:38:00 02/22/2008

TOKYO -- Major Japanese electronics stores have stopped selling HD DVD machines after their maker Toshiba conceded defeat to Sony's Blu-ray in the battle to set the next-generation DVD standard.

Toshiba Corp. announced it was throwing in the towel after Blu-ray won crucial support from leading Hollywood studios and large US retailers. The decision banishes HD DVD to the way of Betamax, the relic once marketed by Sony Corp. that lost out to JVC-developed VHS as the standard for videocassettes in the 1980s.

As of Friday, six major Japanese electronics retailers -- Yodobashi Camera, Kojima, Nojima, Edion, Best Denki and Joshin Denki -- had suspended all sales of HD DVD, company officials said. The chains are in talks with Toshiba for the electronics giant to take back its stock either fully or partially.

Edion, which operates 1,000 stores across Japan under various names, announced an offer for any customer who bought HD DVD hardware from Toshiba to switch for a Blu-ray machine sold by Sony, Panasonic or Sharp. The offer is available only in March, with customers expected to pay any price difference if the Blu-ray machine was more expensive.

Some stores, notably the major chain Bic Camera, continue to sell, at a reduced price, HD DVD machines that can record television shows. HD DVD blank disks are expected to remain on the market. Next-generation DVDs offer cinematic-quality images and multimedia features, but at a much steeper price than current DVDs. Blu-ray swept 90 percent of sales of next-generation DVD recorders in Japan in the last three months of 2007, although HD DVD fared somewhat better in the US market where it was supported by software giant Microsoft Corp.

Toshiba said it has sold 30,000 HD DVD decks in Japan, accounting for only five percent of its HD DVD sales across the world.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Feb 24, 2008 at 02:39 PM
Interesting editorial eproductwars.com...

The war ends...

Walmart goes with Blu-ray, and as of today (2/18/2008), Toshiba is saying different things to different people (ranging from "we haven't made a decision" to (paraphrasing) "we may give up really really soon." I'd say this is akin to the moment when Rudy Guliani's top strategists saw the writing on the wall and played football (instead of working) shortly before exiting the campaign. I'll leave it to others who spent much more time on this than me to figure out when the tide turned (of if it ever did), but I'm sure the HD-DVD team at this point is looking back at the last few years of their lives and wondering the same thing.

One thing I did learn from managing this site is that a first-mover advantage (as HD-DVD had for a few months) is nice, but it doesn't mean much when no one's watching and no one cares. Back when HD-DVD was winning, far fewer people had HD TVs, and there were very few HD DVDs available. Toshiba was winning all the games in the preseason (with noone watching) while Sony was preparing for the regular season (recruiting their team, working their "relationships" with the umpires, etc). By the time the regular season (covering Q3/Q4 2007) ended, Sony clearly won, and won big.

Another thing I learned is that price isn't everything. HD DVD always had the less expensive players and often the less expensive DVDs. They also had extensive giveaway sales and packaged HD DVDs with regular DVDs. Still Blu-ray won. Why? Because, for these particular decision makers (those with HD DVDs who even considered buying HD DVDs), price wasn't nearly as big of an issue as the answer to the questions of "what movies are available?" and "who will win?". Of course, price reductions would (and did) result in temporary hits to the blu-ray lead, but these answers were the only thing that (I believe) could fuel a sustainable lead.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: iiinas on Feb 24, 2008 at 03:50 PM
What if our muslim brothers in Quiapo start selling P*** HD DVD disc  . Would this signal that war is not yet over here....

Possible ? who knows

only for those movies that have been encoded in hd dvd, and i think that's not a whole lot, because since the format is dead no new movies in that format will come out, and i think that is not lucrative for the P*****S. because for them to exist, they need new materials to P****E.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: iiinas on Feb 24, 2008 at 03:58 PM
sad sad news for everyone as i think BD will start imposing its higher prices to everyone.

still stocking on cheap hd dvds for now :)

ill get a BD player when it hits 200$ or so.

i personally think its not in sony's interest to jack up the prices, because now that they are alone as the only disc based hd content provider, their next challenge is how to make people in the u.s. adopt to this tech faster, their main concern now should be how to shift people from buying dvd (players and content) to bluray (players and content). but, we will have to find out what sir howard stringer and his cohorts are thinking....

ps3 is now at 399$, almost all video game insiders are saying it may hit 299$ by november this year. but i think buying now is already a good option. @ 399$ bluray player (firmware upgradeable, with high-def games player pa!)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: antikryst on Feb 25, 2008 at 11:02 AM
i personally think its not in sony's interest to jack up the prices, because now that they are alone as the only disc based hd content provider, their next challenge is how to make people in the u.s. adopt to this tech faster, their main concern now should be how to shift people from buying dvd (players and content) to bluray (players and content). but, we will have to find out what sir howard stringer and his cohorts are thinking....

ps3 is now at 399$, almost all video game insiders are saying it may hit 299$ by november this year. but i think buying now is already a good option. @ 399$ bluray player (firmware upgradeable, with high-def games player pa!)

sonys interest is  to make money. with hd dvd out of the picture... price dropping has already been reduced. they are not threatened anymore with hd dvd price drops everywhere. i agree that the ps3 is a good deal at 399 if you like games. but i prefer the games of the xbox 360...which i already have. 399 for a BD player alone is still too high for me.

pakyaw muna ako dirt cheap hd dvds in the meantime :D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: iiinas on Feb 29, 2008 at 07:14 AM
sonys interest is  to make money. with hd dvd out of the picture... price dropping has already been reduced. they are not threatened anymore with hd dvd price drops everywhere. i agree that the ps3 is a good deal at 399 if you like games. but i prefer the games of the xbox 360...which i already have. 399 for a BD player alone is still too high for me.

pakyaw muna ako dirt cheap hd dvds in the meantime :D

its everybody's interest to make money, but in the case of bluray, as i said their challenge now is dvd, which is dirt cheap and everywhere. they don't want to win the war on hd but remain in the niche market. i think they will keep the pressure on by maintaining prices even lowering it (for players) to get adoption rate faster.

Gran Turismo 5 Prolgue bundle confirmed for March 28th

Sony have confirmed confirmed that a 40 GB PS3 bundle that contains Gran Turismo 5 Prologue and one Sixaxis controller will be available at European retailers on March 28th for €399(GT5 Prologue is also scheduled for release on the same day in Europe). Also France will be getting a 40GB PS3 Blu-ray movie bundle with one Sixaxis controller and Blu-ray movies Casino Royale, Spider-Man 3 and 300. The bundle will be available on MArch 19 th for €399 and it might also be released is Spain and Italy with different blu-ray films.

time will tell whether sony will jack up price or not.  ;D ;D ;D

 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Feb 29, 2008 at 02:26 PM
too bad its only for the EU market  :P
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Feb 29, 2008 at 03:33 PM
too bad its only for the EU market  :P

Too bad for EU market, they're paying the equivalent of $598.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 01, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Too bad for EU market, they're paying the equivalent of $598.

EU has always had expensive gears.. Normal sa kanila yan.. and they don't actually care.. Ganon kataas standards of living nila.. Lucky for us we don't live in the EU.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Mar 01, 2008 at 12:54 AM
also mas mataas talaga ang value ng Euro ngayon compared to the dollar
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: iampoch on Mar 02, 2008 at 02:19 PM
sonys interest is  to make money. with hd dvd out of the picture... price dropping has already been reduced. they are not threatened anymore with hd dvd price drops everywhere. i agree that the ps3 is a good deal at 399 if you like games. but i prefer the games of the xbox 360...which i already have. 399 for a BD player alone is still too high for me.

pakyaw muna ako dirt cheap hd dvds in the meantime :D

Not unlike Toshiba. What, you think toshiba's a philanthropic corporation? They didn't fight for their format with the consumers' interest in mind. If they did, then they wouldn't have been bull-headed during the talks of merging the  BD and HD DVD format. Thinking that only Sony is evil in the capitalist market is living in Lala land. Toshiba's in it for the money, and billions of it, i might add, if ther format had won.

Also, BD is NOT an monopoly, since, it's not one corporation. unless you're willing to acknowledge that Toshiba will monopolize the HD market if the HD DVD was the one who won.  For those who would say otherwise, please explain how come DVD came out differently? Let me cut out the work for you: it's because different companies still need to compete with each other in marketing their own DVD players.

Hmm, you say Sony will abuse prices? How did the 3.5 floppy format and the CD format, both of which are Sony-originated formats, fare in that regard?

I'm not a Sony lover, but I don't get blinded by FUD.  The fact of the matter is companies will still compete to have their merchandises top the competition, regardless the format. If you find Sony's BD player more costly, then pick up one made by Pioneer, LG, Panasonic, etc. THAT's where the competition is.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: antikryst on Mar 03, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Not unlike Toshiba. What, you think toshiba's a philanthropic corporation? They didn't fight for their format with the consumers' interest in mind. If they did, then they wouldn't have been bull-headed during the talks of merging the  BD and HD DVD format. Thinking that only Sony is evil in the capitalist market is living in Lala land. Toshiba's in it for the money, and billions of it, i might add, if ther format had won.

Also, BD is NOT an monopoly, since, it's not one corporation. unless you're willing to acknowledge that Toshiba will monopolize the HD market if the HD DVD was the one who won.  For those who would say otherwise, please explain how come DVD came out differently? Let me cut out the work for you: it's because different companies still need to compete with each other in marketing their own DVD players.

Hmm, you say Sony will abuse prices? How did the 3.5 floppy format and the CD format, both of which are Sony-originated formats, fare in that regard?



I'm not a Sony lover, but I don't get blinded by FUD.  The fact of the matter is companies will still compete to have their merchandises top the competition, regardless the format. If you find Sony's BD player more costly, then pick up one made by Pioneer, LG, Panasonic, etc. THAT's where the competition is.

i was referring to sony's monopoly on the HD format now with HD DVD gone :) lack of aggressive price drops from the hd dvd camp will give BD players the freedom to not drop their prices as well.

sony's proprietary formats like the memory stick are still more expensive than the more "open" formats like CF and SD cards.

also... sony's aggressive push on BD had them incur cost..which they would want to get back. although im pooped that the format i chose to start with flunked (hd dvd)... im happy that the format war is over
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: darkwing on Mar 03, 2008 at 03:43 PM
BD is not Sony's proprietary format, rather its their proprietary format, the BDA(Blu-ray Disc Association)

Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsucrapa Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
TDK Corporation
Thomson Multimedia
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Bros. Entertainment

plus 180 other member companies, blame them for the monopoly
Title: Sony jacks up the price of Blu-ray
Post by: SiCkBoY on Mar 14, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Sony jacks up the price of Blu-ray

No competition

By Nick Farrell: Thursday, 13 March 2008, 8:39 AM

SONY appears to have jacked up the price of Blu-ray players now that it has killed off HD-DVD.

Tom's Hardware is reporting that Blu-ray disk players from Samsung, Sony and Sharp are the most expensive they have been all year.

According to Pricegrabber.com a few months ago the average price for a Blu-ray player was $300. Now it is $400.

Within just the last two weeks, the average prices for LG's BH200 player and Sharp's BD-HP20U have climbed significantly.

It seems that Sony has decided that punters have no choice and will pay through the nose to be on the next technology bandwagon.

However Sony has cocked up on pricing before, an example is its overpriced PS3 which sat on the shelves for ages and lost ground to the technologically less superior XBOX 360 and the Nintendo Wii gismo before the outfit realised.

Toms Hardware points out that the same thing seems to be happening with Blu-ray players now. Most sales for the technology have come from users who have accidently bought the technology with the PS3.

Even with the format wars over, most punters are looking at Blu-ray like boffins who predict that the world will end in several billion years.


http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/13/sony-jacks-price-blu-ray (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/13/sony-jacks-price-blu-ray)
Title: Re: Sony jacks up the price of Blu-ray
Post by: juneaki on Mar 18, 2008 at 07:36 AM
Sony jacks up the price of Blu-ray

No competition

By Nick Farrell: Thursday, 13 March 2008, 8:39 AM

SONY appears to have jacked up the price of Blu-ray players now that it has killed off HD-DVD.

Tom's Hardware is reporting that Blu-ray disk players from Samsung, Sony and Sharp are the most expensive they have been all year.

According to Pricegrabber.com a few months ago the average price for a Blu-ray player was $300. Now it is $400.

Within just the last two weeks, the average prices for LG's BH200 player and Sharp's BD-HP20U have climbed significantly.

It seems that Sony has decided that punters have no choice and will pay through the nose to be on the next technology bandwagon.

However Sony has cocked up on pricing before, an example is its overpriced PS3 which sat on the shelves for ages and lost ground to the technologically less superior XBOX 360 and the Nintendo Wii gismo before the outfit realised.

Toms Hardware points out that the same thing seems to be happening with Blu-ray players now. Most sales for the technology have come from users who have accidently bought the technology with the PS3.

Even with the format wars over, most punters are looking at Blu-ray like boffins who predict that the world will end in several billion years.


http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/13/sony-jacks-price-blu-ray (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/13/sony-jacks-price-blu-ray)

He he he! Ito pala ang sinasabing consumer friendly pag isa na lang format ang nasa maarket!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: DVD_Freak on Mar 18, 2008 at 07:40 AM
Ayuz!  Of course take advantage of the consumers!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: Clondalkin on Mar 18, 2008 at 07:51 AM
Kayo naman.   Most of the BDA members are Japanese companies.  So perhaps what they actually wanted to say was  "friendly consumer" instead of "consumer friendly."   :) :) :)

That's why PS3 is the greatest BD player ne.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: barrister on Mar 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM
The whole point in developing a new format is to justify a new round of price increases.

Eventually, the time will come when Blu-ray prices will also drop.  And when that happens, expect the introduction of yet another new video format.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: demmet on Mar 20, 2008 at 05:36 AM
Those stuck with HD-DVD players getting gift cards

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/ptech/03/19/best.buy.ap/index.html
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 22, 2008 at 12:57 AM
I actually have to commend Toshiba.

I bought an HD A2 last November 2007. The format died in February 2008.

Yet in August 2008: MY FIVE FREE HD DVD DISCS ARRIVED!  ;D

I only got two discs that I actually chose, the other three weren't my picks - I suppose they sent discs based on what stocks were still available. But I have to commend them for keeping up with their promise even after their investment was already long dead. And two were even HD DVD-DVD Combo discs, so I'll be able to use them even after my HD DVD player has died.

I guess this is an example of "losing graciously."

Or maybe it's just "disposing of inventory no one would buy, anyway."  ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: pchin on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Or maybe it's just "disposing of inventory no one would buy, anyway."  ;D

Good one Mr. Hankey. Probably this is the main reason.... ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: barrid on Aug 23, 2008 at 07:53 AM
actually, i would still buy most of the titles, if the price is right. say, $5 each.  ;)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 23, 2008 at 03:48 PM
Good one Mr. Hankey. Probably this is the main reason.... ;D

I'm guessing some of these titles were already scheduled for disposal - on three of them, the UPC/bar code has like a slash running across it - one line actually MELTED across the center of the bar code/UPC, making the number unreadable.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: juanch on Aug 24, 2008 at 01:09 PM
@Mr. Hankey
My 5 free HD-DVD's also arrived about 2 months ago.
They also had that slash on the bar-code.

I was actually surprised it arrived.
I thought it would never come  :D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: The War is Over - Toshiba Gives Up on HD DVD
Post by: pchin on Aug 24, 2008 at 05:37 PM
actually, i would still buy most of the titles, if the price is right. say, $5 each.  ;)

Me too...I'm still waiting if Amazon will ever going to have a BIG sale... :D