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Title: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 19, 2008 at 08:06 AM
Im planning to build in the next comming months a Download PC/ HTPC, 24/7 operation.
My old workstation is a:
Proc: Intel 3.0 Ghz Northwood
Modo: Intel PERL D865
HD IDE: 300 GB, 80 Gb, 80 Gb
Psu: generic 500w
Asus DVDrom

This setup if for downloading HD materials and TV series, this is also my wife's workstation for her events projects and my son's school projects. my wife and kid only plays Zuma, Thumblebugs, Luxor, Bookworm and bejewelled. weekends my son watches all the 720p animation.

this setup is old and running since december last year with minimal shutdowns bec of powerfailure of meralco.
since i know this will not last long im planning to build a new one.
Low power, low cost, can playback 1080p mkv files.

hope to have input from you guys, currently i'm thinking of:

Athlon setup:
Athlon x2 5000
ECS 780G/8200G chipset
HEC 400W (will this be enough)
1 ide hd and 1-2 sata HD and an optical disc

Asus mobo got an AI feature wich the system sleeps while downloading from the internet and operating just the needed components. though hope somebody elaborates.

what about intel platform?

hope to hear from you guys...THANKS
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: jojitv on Nov 19, 2008 at 09:10 AM
Add a good video card if you're going to play 1080p files. ;)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Nov 19, 2008 at 09:23 AM
Add a good video card if you're going to play 1080p files. ;)

This requirement is mainly for playback of original 1080p BD and HD DVD.   PowerDVD or Nero wont be able to play original high def disks if your video card is less powerful than a 7600GT.

For other stuff, a powerful CPU is the most critical and most convenient component to have.  GPU acceleration is still a question mark because even the heaviest files do not use so much CPU resource during playback.  "There's Something About 1080p", me thinks.


Rak-Rak
Curious, how much does 24/7 operation contribute to your monthly electric bill?  Ball  park figure. 

Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: rcci on Nov 19, 2008 at 10:11 AM
for a few hundred pesos more, get the HEC Raptor 500W.  para di ka bitin
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: voj on Nov 19, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Hi Dong,

Long time no hear :)

Go for a bigger PSU.  I also have a 24/7 rig. initially installed 1 HDD and 1 DVD drive using a HEC550AB then decided to fill up the slots with addtional 2HDD and 1 more DVD drive. Nagloko na.  Replaced my HEC PSU with a Corsair 620W and smooth sailing na sya.  Supposedly better design though a bit pricey.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: demmet on Nov 19, 2008 at 11:11 AM
sir.. pm me if u want to save cost on your electricty bill... on downloading.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: jojitb on Nov 19, 2008 at 11:43 AM
IMHO medyo magkalaban yun requirements mo.

A downloading rig needs to have minimal power requirements.  This is most often achieved by using less powerful components (processor, GPU, PSU, etc) while a 1080p HTPC needs massive amount of power, both in computing and electrical terms.

But there may be a compromise.  You can design a system that is a power-miser and can play 720p without breaking a sweat.

Your suggestion can be good for 60-70W at idle. (for comparison: my Athlon tbird 1Ghz consume 95W at idle & my P4 3GHz 105W idle)
Quote
Athlon x2 5000
ECS 780G/8200G chipset
HEC 400W (will this be enough)
1 ide hd and 1-2 sata HD and an optical disc

I suggest using Western Digital Green Power Harddrives.  Yes, they are slower, but they are really efficient and cool (less need for cooling).

For playing the occasional 1080p movies (h264 mkv) you can cheat by installing coreavc pro codec. 

for more power saving ideas, check this:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=28
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Munskie on Nov 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Use energy saving motherboards like Asus P5Q series......you can toggle the need for CPU power and energy saving features.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Nov 19, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Use energy saving motherboards like Asus P5Q series......you can toggle the need for CPU power and energy saving features.

How do you do that?  External switch or through software/firmware?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: uvax on Nov 19, 2008 at 01:44 PM
If downloading is your primary need you can get yourself a relatively cheap NAS which has a built-in download client. In terms of power consumption this setup beats any PC hands-down as. My setup is an NAS bought from CDRKing (ENNHD-1000 @P4500) with a 300GB hard disk that my Tvix has outgrown. My setup has been running virtually 24/7 for several months now.

If you have extra cash you can step up to a media server along with 24/7 downloading. The Dlink DNS-323 (~P9K locally) has two SATA drive bays so it is possible to have 3TB of storage and have it stream the files to your NMT or HTPC.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Alfie on Nov 19, 2008 at 02:19 PM
You will  also need a fast Internet service.

Rule of thumb is, better a power hog PC and fast internet connection, rather than a power miser with an internet connection that gives you trickles, in the long run, you'll also save on wear and tear. ;)

But do you really wanna save up???

Others do it in the office..he-he  :o

Nang gulang na sa employer, nag yabang pa sa bilis nang internet niya. ;)

Kung ma-bait ka naman, at na-co-consyensya ka....eh di' kumuha ka nang UMPC na 9.9K lang, tapos tumambay ka sa Robinson's Mall sa Faura, eh' ang bi-bilis nang connection doon' sa isang oras may 700mb ka na. Kung apat na oras kang mag-shopping, may 4 at 5 ka nang Dixv quality na movie. ;D

Ngayaon kung MKCV ang hilig mo....eh' dapat gastosan mo na iyan'. :P ;)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: jojitb on Nov 19, 2008 at 03:25 PM
My major complain with NAS with torrent support is the LAN speed.  Most have gigabit lan but in reality can only get <20MBytes/sec (MB/s).  Even a low power PC can do > 30MB/s.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: uvax on Nov 19, 2008 at 04:46 PM
My major complain with NAS with torrent support is the LAN speed.  Most have gigabit lan but in reality can only get <20MBytes/sec (MB/s).  Even a low power PC can do > 30MB/s.

I hear you. In my case I'm using it as a download appliance only and I don't have a gigabit network setup so all is well. Anyway, 20MBytes/sec is more than enough to stream even 1080p mkvs which usually weigh in at around 8GB.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Nov 19, 2008 at 04:56 PM
Anyway, 20MBytes/sec is more than enough to stream even 1080p mkvs which usually weigh in at around 8GB.

May I ask (with respect ne) if this is theoretical or actual working set-up?  Streaming 1080p MKV even in a gigabit network introduces more unknowns, hold points, choke points and burden to a very "moody" piece of 1080p file.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: uvax on Nov 19, 2008 at 07:56 PM
@ Clondalkin

I have played clips (about 10-20minutes) on my pc mkv files which are on my nas over my standard ethernet to preview before I transfer the files over. Based on my experience there is blockiness during the first few seconds and then it sort of catches up and plays nicely. Mind you that is over standard ethernet so I expect gigabit ethernet to do better. Even theoretically an 8GB mkv file with a 2 hr play time would average to around 1.11 Mbytes/sec. A 20Mbytes/sec transfer rate has more than enough headroom.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: jojitb on Nov 19, 2008 at 09:17 PM
Although my media/file server, my laptop, and my desktop PCs are all gigabit, my HTPC is still 100mbps so I have some experience watching 1080p videos using 100baseT.   

All I can say is that 100mbps is enough to watch 1080p videos.  The main problem is if you want to move/copy the files across the LAN. Parang wala nang katapusan hehehe



Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 20, 2008 at 08:58 AM


Rak-Rak
Curious, how much does 24/7 operation contribute to your monthly electric bill?  Ball  park figure. 



Before the i operated 24/7 operation of my PC, were around 3,500 pesos now were hovering around 7,000 pesos.
me increase din in between ang Meralco.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Hi Dong,

Long time no hear :)

Go for a bigger PSU.  I also have a 24/7 rig. initially installed 1 HDD and 1 DVD drive using a HEC550AB then decided to fill up the slots with addtional 2HDD and 1 more DVD drive. Nagloko na.  Replaced my HEC PSU with a Corsair 620W and smooth sailing na sya.  Supposedly better design though a bit pricey.

Hi, too Voj, uhm... would a bigger PSU contribute to higher power consumption? hows your electric bill?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Nov 20, 2008 at 10:34 AM
would a bigger PSU contribute to higher power consumption? hows your electric bill?

A PSU would only draw as much power as it needs to run a certain hardware configuration.  A 1000W PSU does not mean it would draw 1000W of electric power.  It means you can configure your PC up to a load of 1000W and it will still run stably; that is, add bazzilions of hard disk drives, insert power hog graphics card or even in SLI or quad configuration, add many layers of optical media drives, multitudes of cooling fans or any exotic cooling system, etc.

So if your hardware configuration is fixed, it wont make a difference in electric consumption whether you use a 500W or 400W PSU.

Thus if your preferred system consists of low power CPU, low power graphics, low power everything, and you intend to keep it that way forever - you dont need a large capacity PSU.  It will only be a waste of untapped electric power capacity.  My 375W Dell PSU runs a C2D, 2 internal hard drives, 3 internal optical drives, an HD3870 ATI (which requires 450W minimum on paper), 4GB of RAM.  So if your chosen PSU make is good quality and the rating is "honest", 400W is sobra sobra. 





Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: uvax on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:05 PM
So if your hardware configuration is fixed, it wont make a difference in electric consumption whether you use a 500W or 400W PSU.

That is not correct. Bigger PSUs require bigger components - bigger heavier coils, higher power rating capacitors, resistors, etc. These bigger components require more power to run. In the end even if you are extracting only a small amount of power from the psu, the psu with the higher power rating will consume more power than a psu with a lower power rating that is still sufficient to support the requirement.

The closest analogy that will come to mind are cars with different engine capacities that are stuck in traffic. You are not taking advantage of the full engine power because you are just crawling along but the car with the bigger engine will end up consuming more gasoline just because it has bigger components to move even when the car doesn't need the extra power.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:21 PM
That is not correct. Bigger PSUs require bigger components - bigger heavier coils, higher power rating capacitors, resistors, etc. These bigger components require more power to run. In the end even if you are extracting only a small amount of power from the psu, the psu with the higher power rating will consume more power than a psu with a lower power rating that is still sufficient to support the requirement.

The closest analogy that will come to mind are cars with different engine capacities that are stuck in traffic. You are not taking advantage of the full engine power because you are just crawling along but the car with the bigger engine will end up consuming more gasoline just because it has bigger components to move even when the car doesn't need the extra power.


I disagree.  Power consumption is measured in CURRENT FLOW at constant voltage.  If there is no current flow, there is no consumption.

You can be correct if a system lies idle.  But in PC application the PC in never actually idle, especially in the Philippines where people unplug their appliance when not in use.  When you switch on power, a bigger PSU MAY consume more current to initialize itself but then PCs are designed for long operation.  Therefore, the amount of current the flew during the short initialization stage is too small compared to the amount of current that flows as you use the PC for hours.  If a person would switch on/off a PC for so many times in an hour, then that is abnormal

The PSU will only get triggered to supply more electric flow if the load requires so.  No flow, no consumption. 

This is the analogy.  Go check the power transformer that is installed in your street.  If that capacity is not enough for the supplied households, it will blow up and would need to be replaced by a new one, or installed an additional one for parallel operation.

Whether Meralco installls a gigantic transfo or a tiny one, it does not affect your power consumption.






Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: uvax on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:49 PM
I refer you to the link below:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page4.html (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page4.html)

Please read the section concerning correct psu sizing.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:59 PM
I refer you to the link below:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page4.html (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page4.html)

Please read the section concerning correct psu sizing.

I wont object to what it contains.  But take note the importance of PSU EFFICIENCY.   A 500W and 400W PSU of the same make and good design would be within "similar" efficiency range.  I am not comparing a 400W and a 1000W PSU with different makes and designs here.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: jackryan on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Why don't you guys consider getting a KILL-A-WATT device to really measure power consumption?

Anyway, Alfie, your case in point on employees downloading files using company time is hilarious but happens all the time and network IT folks are always on the look-out for those vulnerabilities and workarounds to plug them out... a classic mouse and cat trail...

Rak-rak, I can tell you that a laptop can do the same job of downnloading stuff from the net and yet it's power consumption is way far too significantly smaller than a regular PC despite the power save modes enabled. I came from the same experience like you and decided that I am better off with a laptop on 7x24 than a desktop on 7x24 for all of my download, VOIP (via MagicJack for my US number) and messaging needs.

As for watching mkv and the likes, I use an NMT for that which consumes also much insignificant amount of electricity than an HTPC (but of course cost wise you spend more for having two different devices instead of one consolidated one)...

Your choice, your call, at the end of the day...  ::)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: milken on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Why don't you guys consider getting a KILL-A-WATT device to really measure power consumption?

Where can we buy a kill-a-watt device?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:47 PM
BTW Rack-Rack, how do you gauge na malapit nang bumigay nung old rig mo?   Have you noticed anything unusual with its performance? (strange sounds emanating from somewhere probably?)

PCs are designed for very long and continuous hours of use.  But for torrent operation, it is advisable to restart the PC every once in a while in order to reset the trackers.    The part that is stressed the most during this kind of operation is the hard drive.  Your CPU is getting fat and bored and practically sleeping all the time because it has a doctorate mind but forced to do arithmetic only.  He he he.

Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: jackryan on Nov 20, 2008 at 02:00 PM
Where can we buy a kill-a-watt device?

amazon.com but it's 110VAC so you have to rig two portable step-down and step-up transformers. The other best option is if you can wait for the member in this board who got the 220VAC from Germany and sold them locally here. I am sure Master Jojo will come up with something equivalent pretty soon...  ::)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: erwin111 on Nov 20, 2008 at 02:02 PM
 
I would just like to comment about the power supplies.. I work at an RnD facility for power supplies (i'm with the design group for server supplies)... server and desktop power do not much differ in design and technology (only difference is that desktop have more outputs while server has commonly two)... present power supply designs are optimized to be at most efficient at 50% load (considering that design is using power factor correction which currently is required on power supplies)... but if the load goes lower to 20%, efficiency drops considerably, around 4-5% drop in efficiency... so if a PC is running at 200W load regularly, a 400W and 500W power supply would have almost the same efficiency.. but if you would run longer hours with lower load at 80W for example, I would rather choose to use the 400W supply (but it would be only around 2% greater efficiency than the 500W supply)..
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Nov 20, 2008 at 02:31 PM

I would just like to comment about the power supplies.. I work at an RnD facility for power supplies (i'm with the design group for server supplies)... server and desktop power do not much differ in design and technology (only difference is that desktop have more outputs while server has commonly two)... present power supply designs are optimized to be at most efficient at 50% load (considering that design is using power factor correction which currently is required on power supplies)... but if the load goes lower to 20%, efficiency drops considerably, around 4-5% drop in efficiency... so if a PC is running at 200W load regularly, a 400W and 500W power supply would have almost the same efficiency.. but if you would run longer hours with lower load at 80W for example, I would rather choose to use the 400W supply (but it would be only around 2% greater efficiency than the 500W supply)..


Very informative one Erwin.  Thank you.

That level of differential efficiency at low loads would be very very difficult to translate to Meralco bill especially since Meralco's billing system is very gray.  And then Rakrak likewise intends to use this PC for other stuff.  Anyways, I also think that 400W of good quality PSU should be enough for his requirements.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: DaSilva on Nov 20, 2008 at 05:09 PM
Could i also ask the advice of our gurus...

My oldest pc, a pentium 4, just died, motherboard daw. i only use this for playing downloaded files. since i have home wifi, it also serves as a download machine. plus the occasional internet. that's it, no other use. no games, no music, no work stuff.

Pc express just quoted me the following:

Processor: Intel DC E2140 1.6Ghz/1MB L2 cache/800FSB LGA775
Motherboard: Elite 945GCT-M2/1333
RAM: 1 GB
Video card: Inno3D 8500GT 512MB DDR2 with DVI

All for about 8k.

Would the spec'd hardware be enough to play 720/1080 files? (some are avi, some are mkv)
Or would I be better off getting an NMT and spending double?

T.I.A.  :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Nov 20, 2008 at 05:27 PM
Could i also ask the advice of our gurus...

My oldest pc, a pentium 4, just died, motherboard daw. i only use this for playing downloaded files. since i have home wifi, it also serves as a download machine. plus the occasional internet. that's it, no other use. no games, no music, no work stuff.

Pc express just quoted me the following:

Processor: Intel DC E2140 1.6Ghz/1MB L2 cache/800FSB LGA775
Motherboard: Elite 945GCT-M2/1333
RAM: 1 GB
Video card: Inno3D 8500GT 512MB DDR2 with DVI

All for about 8k.

Would the spec'd hardware be enough to play 720/1080 files? (some are avi, some are mkv)
Or would I be better off getting an NMT and spending double?


Not a guru but isang pakialamerong highly opinionated so pagpasensya na.   ;D

720p is no problem at all, mkv or avi or mpeg4

One thing I want to clarify is, what kinds of 1080p files do you have, or what is your understanding of a 1080p file.   Would you mind checking the files through mediainfo?   I notice mern konting misconception ang ibang members.  Just want to know exactly what you have right now, and what 1080ps you have in mind.    A 1080p file can be a "hit-or-miss."

What about OS?  Talaga bang libre lagi to sa Pilipinas?   ;D

Seriously, kung Vista, bitin ang 1GB RAM. Kung XP, better increase to 2GB pero manageable ang 1GB somehow.

Nothing wrong with your video card in terms of high def playback.  Not powerful enough for 3D gaming though.

Cant tell you anything about NMT because I dont have any.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: HD_MOVIES on Nov 20, 2008 at 07:17 PM
bro,

another option is to buy a laptop (compaq with ati3200 chipset)
can play most of the 720p's and some 1080p's..
28k lang ata at 0% interest in 12 months..

24/7 torrent-rig
para sa misis
para rin sa kids
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 20, 2008 at 08:32 PM
BTW Rack-Rack, how do you gauge na malapit nang bumigay nung old rig mo?   Have you noticed anything unusual with its performance? (strange sounds emanating from somewhere probably?)





1 capacitor is alittle bloated near the Proc, the computer shuts down by it self and takes a while to start again, the PSU is a generic 500watts, which cant be trusted sa rating, i can pin point which is at fault, Proc, harddisk, memory and PSU.
bought it at a computer shop, swaped with new parts (agp vidcard, memory,HEC 400w PSU) and the PC dont start.
cant find replacement for PROC and mobo.
when i went home, put them together, with the Eraser from a pencil i errased the contacts of the memory and vidcard, after 5 restats, the PC came alive,
the after downloading, Wanted 1080p, Indiana Jones 1080p, Kungfu Panda 1080p, Tropic Thunder 720p and Mamamia 720p the PC stops again.
as i write this i just got it up and running and cued sex and the city 8gb. but i know it will shut down again.

the latest integrated video 780 8200 and the new on from Intel can lat you play Bluray, so since its integrated bawas component.
my conern is the wattage of the proc, baseline is the ability to play 1080p mkv files. kahit mabagal. at hind umiinit ng todo gaya nung old Pentium D proc ko na luma.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 20, 2008 at 08:36 PM
Not a guru but isang pakialamerong highly opinionated so pagpasensya na.   ;D

720p is no problem at all, mkv or avi or mpeg4

One thing I want to clarify is, what kinds of 1080p files do you have, or what is your understanding of a 1080p file.   Would you mind checking the files through mediainfo?   I notice mern konting misconception ang ibang members.  Just want to know exactly what you have right now, and what 1080ps you have in mind.    A 1080p file can be a "hit-or-miss."

What about OS?  Talaga bang libre lagi to sa Pilipinas?   ;D

Seriously, kung Vista, bitin ang 1GB RAM. Kung XP, better increase to 2GB pero manageable ang 1GB somehow.

Nothing wrong with your video card in terms of high def playback.  Not powerful enough for 3D gaming though.

Cant tell you anything about NMT because I dont have any.


720p and 1080p mkv files, movie and tv series files.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:03 PM
bro,

another option is to buy a laptop (compaq with ati3200 chipset)
can play most of the 720p's and some 1080p's..
28k lang ata at 0% interest in 12 months..

24/7 torrent-rig
para sa misis
para rin sa kids

HD_MOVIES

yeah you told me nga na laptop lang gamit mo for downloading and a bunch of terrabytes ng external harddrive na pinaglalamanan ng mga movies mo. uhmmm
kaso 28k is too much pa kasi dami pa bayarin sa mga credit card
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: HD_MOVIES on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:47 PM
HD_MOVIES

yeah you told me nga na laptop lang gamit mo for downloading and a bunch of terrabytes ng external harddrive na pinaglalamanan ng mga movies mo. uhmmm
kaso 28k is too much pa kasi dami pa bayarin sa mga credit card
Bought an0ther cheap netvista (1.5k) added a 250gb hdd. 24/7 t0rrent rig.. 3 months w/o a shutd0wn.. So far 0k pa naman.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 21, 2008 at 07:27 AM
Bought an0ther cheap netvista (1.5k) added a 250gb hdd. 24/7 t0rrent rig.. 3 months w/o a shutd0wn.. So far 0k pa naman.
whats netvista? 1.5K?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: DaSilva on Nov 21, 2008 at 08:24 AM
Not a guru but isang pakialamerong highly opinionated so pagpasensya na.   ;D

720p is no problem at all, mkv or avi or mpeg4

One thing I want to clarify is, what kinds of 1080p files do you have, or what is your understanding of a 1080p file.   Would you mind checking the files through mediainfo?   I notice mern konting misconception ang ibang members.  Just want to know exactly what you have right now, and what 1080ps you have in mind.    A 1080p file can be a "hit-or-miss."

What about OS?  Talaga bang libre lagi to sa Pilipinas?   ;D

Seriously, kung Vista, bitin ang 1GB RAM. Kung XP, better increase to 2GB pero manageable ang 1GB somehow.

Nothing wrong with your video card in terms of high def playback.  Not powerful enough for 3D gaming though.

Cant tell you anything about NMT because I dont have any.


thanks for taking time out to reply.  :)
yes sir i consider you a guru!

am just about clueless regarding pcs now as i've gone back to being a macuser  :-[

about OS: Windows XP, the hard drive on that PC is still working and it has XP. I hear you about 2gb.
video card: ok. won't do games on this machine. not enough time to watch my files as it is.  :)

still weighing the option of reviving this machine or getting an NMT.  :-\
the only bits to salvage are the 2 hard drives (small ones, only 30 and 40gb) and the optical drive (won't last long I think). Plus the case (not worth much) and power supply (limited life).

thanks again!  :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: momay on Nov 21, 2008 at 09:05 AM
Hi Dong,

Long time no hear :)

Go for a bigger PSU.  I also have a 24/7 rig. initially installed 1 HDD and 1 DVD drive using a HEC550AB then decided to fill up the slots with addtional 2HDD and 1 more DVD drive. Nagloko na.  Replaced my HEC PSU with a Corsair 620W and smooth sailing na sya.  Supposedly better design though a bit pricey.

mahina pala ang HEC psu. ive got a DFI system with 1 dvd drive and 4 SATA drives with overclocked CPU and overclocked geforce 7800gtx and run only by a japanese brand KEIAN 480watt psu. been running for two years with no problem except for the CMOS battery replacement.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Alfie on Nov 21, 2008 at 09:18 AM
Depende.....24/7 ang rig ni Voj eh. ;)

Kung Movie Fan at Gamer ka lang..... at siyempre, nag-pa-pahinga ka rin(pati narin ang PC mo)...best buy parin ang HEC. ;)
(alam ninyo ba magkano ang Corsair ni Voj) :o
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Depende.....24/7 ang rig ni Voj eh. ;)

Kung Movie Fan at Gamer ka lang..... at siyempre, nag-pa-pahinga ka rin(pati narin ang PC mo)...best buy parin ang HEC. ;)
(alam ninyo ba magkano ang Corsair ni Voj) :o
how much?....6k?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM
bro,

another option is to buy a laptop (compaq with ati3200 chipset)
can play most of the 720p's and some 1080p's..
28k lang ata at 0% interest in 12 months..

24/7 torrent-rig
para sa misis
para rin sa kids

brandnew price? 
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 22, 2008 at 06:58 AM
If loptops are power efficient, then can we make a similar rig using desktop parts, a loptop still got Power Adoptor that converts 220volts to DC, 12v, it has 1 hadddisk, integrated components at the mobo, 1 optical drive.
Desktop, Gigabyte's 780 mobo got all the stuff, including Hdmi,Dvi,solid caps, hd audio, integrated ati 3200 vidcard nad
to save power we need to get a low wattage proc. lower speed, thus sacrificing 1080p playback. will a fast sempron 3200 Ghz or a celeron would do?

will a 400 (or lower), watt psu will only supply: 1 mobo, 1pc 1Tb hardisk, 1 optical drive (optional if needed, my use external ubs casing)

is it true that the base line for 1080p mkv playback is Athlon x2 5000 and Intel 5200?

Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 22, 2008 at 07:19 AM
is it true that the base line for 1080p mkv playback is Athlon x2 5000 and Intel 5200?

for amd 4200+ is the recommended, anything lower will give you a few hiccups .. ;)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 22, 2008 at 05:23 PM
for amd 4200+ is the recommended, anything lower will give you a few hiccups .. ;)

ninjababez,
AMD 4200+ is a low power and di masyado nagiinit?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: HD_MOVIES on Nov 22, 2008 at 10:20 PM
ninjababez,
AMD 4200+ is a low power and di masyado nagiinit?

bro, kung gusto mo malamig at low power, kunin mo na yung 45W X2 BE-2350 2.1ghz ko..25C idle temp at 30C load temp,  ;D ;D

pero kung gusto mo flawless sa halos lahat ng 1080p avail out there, i suggest get at least X2 6000+, kung mahirap hanapin, yung X2 5600+ brisbane ok na rin..
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 23, 2008 at 08:27 AM

pero kung gusto mo flawless sa halos lahat ng 1080p avail out there, i suggest get at least X2 6000+, kung mahirap hanapin, yung X2 5600+ brisbane ok na rin..


HD_MOVIES,
Whats the power consumption of X2 6000?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 23, 2008 at 08:30 AM
Saw this news...

AMD has officially announced the launch of its first 45-nm Opteron processors (codename Shanghai). These quad-core processors are based on socket F (1207), have four cores, built-in DDR2-800 memory controller, 6 MB L3 cache, 75 W TDP and feature CoolCore technology, which reduces power to unused sections of each processor in order to cut power consumption. According to AMD these new Opteron processors are 35% faster and consume 35% less than 65-nm counterparts.


Kaso mukhang mahal,  :'(

Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: HD_MOVIES on Nov 23, 2008 at 01:29 PM
HD_MOVIES,
Whats the power consumption of X2 6000?


merong 125W at 89W.. am using the 89W X2 6000+
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 23, 2008 at 01:32 PM
Saw this news...

AMD has officially announced the launch of its first 45-nm Opteron processors (codename Shanghai). These quad-core processors are based on socket F (1207), have four cores, built-in DDR2-800 memory controller, 6 MB L3 cache, 75 W TDP and feature CoolCore technology, which reduces power to unused sections of each processor in order to cut power consumption. According to AMD these new Opteron processors are 35% faster and consume 35% less than 65-nm counterparts.
Kaso mukhang mahal,  :'(
thats a new technology bro .. thats why  ;)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 24, 2008 at 07:01 AM
merong 125W at 89W.. am using the 89W X2 6000+

Bakit 2 rating yang AMD X2 6000? whats the trade off with the lower consumption?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 24, 2008 at 08:07 AM
Bakit 2 rating yang AMD X2 6000? whats the trade off with the lower consumption?
no trade off .. its just a newer core  ;)
except ofcourse if it has a lower cache size .. :D
some prefer the lower cache for higher overclockability
but in stock settings media encoding higher cache has an advantage .. ;)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Niknok on Nov 24, 2008 at 09:02 AM
whats netvista? 1.5K?

old IBM PCs (P4 era and earlier) which later became the netvista thinkcentre and now just simply thinkcentre but carried by the lenovo brand after IBM sold the PC company.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: SiCkBoY on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Saw this news...

AMD has officially announced the launch of its first 45-nm Opteron processors (codename Shanghai). These quad-core processors are based on socket F (1207), have four cores, built-in DDR2-800 memory controller, 6 MB L3 cache, 75 W TDP and feature CoolCore technology, which reduces power to unused sections of each processor in order to cut power consumption. According to AMD these new Opteron processors are 35% faster and consume 35% less than 65-nm counterparts.


Kaso mukhang mahal,  :'(




The problem, as usual, is upgradeability.  Since AMD uses on-die memory controllers, you're stuck with DDR2.  You can't upgrade to a DD3-based motherboard later on without upgrading the processor.  But why are we talking about this in the this thread?   ???
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM
But why are we talking about this in the this thread?   ???
prolly because some guys will be using their htpc rig as their download rig  :D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:56 AM
old IBM PCs (P4 era and earlier) which later became the netvista thinkcentre and now just simply thinkcentre but carried by the lenovo brand after IBM sold the PC company.

Thanks Niknok for the clarification,
so what HD_MOVIES is saying is that his Netvista is an old PC for his downloading and worth only 1.5k, then he puts a 250GB for storage. Uhmmm
i tot it was another appliance for downloading.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 24, 2008 at 11:05 AM

The problem, as usual, is upgradeability.  Since AMD uses on-die memory controllers, you're stuck with DDR2.  You can't upgrade to a DD3-based motherboard later on.  But why are we talking about this in the this thread?   ???

Currently, only the more expensive mobos support DD3 memories, upcomming memory are not dual channel, but tripple channel buses.
3 pcs na, so its 1.5gb, 3gb, 4.5BG etc.
its ok kung ddr2 coz were talking about a cheapo, pc 4 downloading, 24/7 operation and a workstation plus 1080p mkv playback ability.
anyway, manufacturers are aware of power consumption and saving the earth,  upcomming devices may fit the spects i need, but since their new, they may be very expensive, but i'll keep and open eye for them.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: SiCkBoY on Nov 25, 2008 at 05:12 AM

its ok kung ddr2 coz were talking about a cheapo, pc 4 downloading, 24/7 operation and a workstation plus 1080p mkv playback ability.


Correct.  So a quad-core processor is a bit of an overkill, despite the perceived electricity savings.  Marami naman alternative na low-consumption processors, motherboards, and HDDs.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: uvax on Nov 25, 2008 at 08:03 AM
I know you guys have been discussing mainly Intel CPUs but if low-power with 1080p capability is the main concern why not consider AMD? A 780G board with an X2 4850e has been benched by Tom's Guide to just consume ~75 watts on Blu-Ray playback. This combo is also pretty cheap.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Nov 26, 2008 at 11:20 PM
I know you guys have been discussing mainly Intel CPUs but if low-power with 1080p capability is the main concern why not consider AMD? A 780G board with an X2 4850e has been benched by Tom's Guide to just consume ~75 watts on Blu-Ray playback. This combo is also pretty cheap.

uvax, can that AMD 4870e handle mkv 1080p? most say the baseline for 1080p mkv file playback is AMD X2 5000.
The built in Ati HD3200 of the 780G board can handle BluRay, but like ECS mobo still rebomends X2 5500 or X2 6000.
This download PC will most likely do 95% mkv palyback and 5 to 0% BluRay playback kc mahal xa.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: HD_MOVIES on Nov 26, 2008 at 11:37 PM
tagal ko naghanap ng x2 4850e di ata avail dito sa pinas kaya i end up buying the x2 2350.. Parehas sila 45w kaya ideal f0r l0w p0wer htpc..
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Dec 04, 2008 at 11:29 AM
tagal ko naghanap ng x2 4850e di ata avail dito sa pinas kaya i end up buying the x2 2350.. Parehas sila 45w kaya ideal f0r l0w p0wer htpc..

HD_MOVIES, is that x2 2350 got what it takes to play 1080p? i know you download a gazillion movies, what can it play and what it can?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: HD_MOVIES on Dec 04, 2008 at 12:32 PM
HD_MOVIES, is that x2 2350 got what it takes to play 1080p? i know you download a gazillion movies, what can it play and what it can?


can play the 1080p's bro.. kaso sold na.. ;D

am selling my x2 6000+ 3.0Ghz 2mb cache 89W TDP... pm me ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Dec 07, 2008 at 12:33 AM
can play the 1080p's bro.. kaso sold na.. ;D

am selling my x2 6000+ 3.0Ghz 2mb cache 89W TDP... pm me ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for the offer, the present state of the economy is hitting hard on my hobby, im asked to cut down on electric consumption, no more 24 hour downloads. uhmmm sayang naman ang 40kbps kong connection speed... :'(
for all you guys who helped me thru this thread, thanks alot. hope to help you too in the future...

cheers!!! ;D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 08, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Thanks for the offer, the present state of the economy is hitting hard on my hobby, im asked to cut down on electric consumption, no more 24 hour downloads. uhmmm sayang naman ang 40kbps kong connection speed... :'(
for all you guys who helped me thru this thread, thanks alot. hope to help you too in the future...

cheers!!! ;D

right bro... need to cut down power consumption...

btw... may effect ba if i-pause yung download, turn-off the PC and then resume after mapahinga yung PC by turning it on again and resuming the download?
40-60kbps lang kasi download speed ko so it takes almost 2 days (straight) to download about 8GB mkv file

tia :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Dec 08, 2008 at 12:54 PM
btw... may effect ba if i-pause yung download, turn-off the PC and then resume after mapahinga yung PC by turning it on again and resuming the download?
40-60kbps lang kasi download speed ko so it takes almost 2 days (straight) to download about 8GB mkv file


Effect in terms of what?

In terms of electricity - cant say because download speed goes up and down in time even though you keep on running the torrent continuously.    In cases where a certain file has only a few seeds, it's better not to run continuously, unless you dont mind seeding the rest of the swarm and getting back a little at a time only.

If terms of file integrity - wala - the PC/torrent saves the downloaded portion and resumes from there the next time yun run torrents.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 08, 2008 at 12:57 PM
right bro... need to cut down power consumption...

btw... may effect ba if i-pause yung download, turn-off the PC and then resume after mapahinga yung PC by turning it on again and resuming the download?
40-60kbps lang kasi download speed ko so it takes almost 2 days (straight) to download about 8GB mkv file

tia :)
nope its ok .. :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 09, 2008 at 11:51 AM
Effect in terms of what?

In terms of electricity - cant say because download speed goes up and down in time even though you keep on running the torrent continuously.    In cases where a certain file has only a few seeds, it's better not to run continuously, unless you dont mind seeding the rest of the swarm and getting back a little at a time only.

If terms of file integrity - wala - the PC/torrent saves the downloaded portion and resumes from there the next time yun run torrents.

thanks bro... my concern is on integrity/quality...

btw, there are lot of torrents there available for 1 title... how do you choose, the best torrent that have the best mkv in terms of quality (such as picture and sound)... is there a preferable source? i heard eureka is reliable source... any comment on this?

Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: milken on Dec 10, 2008 at 07:08 PM
thanks bro... my concern is on integrity/quality...

btw, there are lot of torrents there available for 1 title... how do you choose, the best torrent that have the best mkv in terms of quality (such as picture and sound)... is there a preferable source? i heard eureka is reliable source... any comment on this?


Actually EuReKa is not a source but one of Bit-HDTV's internal encoding group.  You'll notice the encoding group tags at the end of every title (e.g. The.Dark.Knight.2008.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR.mkv ===> title.year.resolution.source.audio.codec-group.mkv).  There are lots of encoding groups out there.  The most popular are the scene groups (e.g. reveille, hv, septic, ctu, sinners, cinefile, etc).  These are underground groups which specialize in releasing encodes even before the retail bluray discs go on sale.  Wikipedia definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_(scene) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_(scene))  There is a competition among them on who releases first...so generally their encodes are not that good because they are often done in a hurry (e.g. improper aspect ratio, overcropping, loss of grain, etc.).  Most of the time the internal groups offer better quality.  ESiR, CtrlHD are hdbits internal.  EuReKa is part of bit-hdtv.  These three groups are in the top-tier in my opinion only. 

Also, for best picture quality, try to avoid titles with HDTV (copied from tv broadcast), Bluray capture (back in the days when BD+ was not yet cracked, they copy from the source via hdmi capture before encoding) and DTheater (VHS copy that provide HD resolution. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTheater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTheater)) tagged on their titles.  For codec, x264 is good for the size, VC-1 encodes are huge in size.  For audio, you may want to choose one with DTS which some argue to have better AQ than AC3/Dolby Digital.  If the audio in Bluray is lossless (TrueHD, DTS-HD), the encoders would transcode the audio to DTS lossy format or just include the core DTS ripped from DTS-HD audio in the encode. Movies with FLAC audio would be better but you can't play them in NMT and most receivers can't decode them.  For resolution (720p v. 1080p), it depends on your TV size, sitting distance and whether your eyes could see the difference. 

At the end of the day, a reencode is still a reencode.  Nothing beats the original in integrity, picture and sound quality.  :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Dec 11, 2008 at 09:37 AM
btw, there are lot of torrents there available for 1 title... how do you choose, the best torrent that have the best mkv in terms of quality (such as picture and sound)... is there a preferable source? i heard eureka is reliable source... any comment on this?

Torrents 101

If you can get the biggest one and your rigs can handle it, get it.   For instance, kung mag-tyatyaga ka rin lang sa 11 GB na Dark Knight, might as well go for the 16GB version.   So personally, anything between 10GB - 17GB with video bitrate higher than 11MB/sec combined with DTS audio stream makes me drool.  My HDTV can display the difference in visual quality; my HT (including an HTIB) can output the aural difference as well.  Dunno about lossless Tru HD stuff though.

If not, the "smaller" encodes of ESIR, Eureka and CtrlHD have consistently high quality. (4GB-9GB).  And in most cases, they are very very considerate of those who cant live without subs -especially ESIR.   :)

Kung wala yung tatlo, whatever is available in 720p or 1080p will do.  Kung walang subs, just download the subtitle file separately and if necessary, change the subtitle synch manually through your player in order to match that of the video.

Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 11, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Torrents 101

If you can get the biggest one and your rigs can handle it, get it.   For instance, kung mag-tyatyaga ka rin lang sa 11 GB na Dark Knight, might as well go for the 16GB version.   So personally, anything between 10GB - 17GB with video bitrate higher than 11MB/sec combined with DTS audio stream makes me drool.  My HDTV can display the difference in visual quality; my HT (including an HTIB) can output the aural difference as well.  Dunno about lossless Tru HD stuff though.

If not, the "smaller" encodes of ESIR, Eureka and CtrlHD have consistently high quality. (4GB-9GB).  And in most cases, they are very very considerate of those who cant live without subs -especially ESIR.   :)

Kung wala yung tatlo, whatever is available in 720p or 1080p will do.  Kung walang subs, just download the subtitle file separately and if necessary, change the subtitle synch manually through your player in order to match that of the video.



thanks bro... another info earned - 11mb/sec video bitrate :) kaso some of torrents walang description or indication of files video bitrate
anyways, if meron its a bonus :)
interms of audio naman... iprefer dts din :)
i already have several encodes from ESIR and Eureka... next time i'll check CtrlHD
ty uli bro :)



Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: demmet on Dec 11, 2008 at 10:44 AM
RELEASE.NAME..: The.Dark.Knight.2008.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR         
 █   RELEASE.DATE..: 26.11.2008                                               
 █   THEATRE.DATE..: 14.06.2008                                               
 █   RUNTiME.......: 2:32:13                                                 
 █   SiZE..........: 13.9 GB                                               
 █   ViDEO.CODEC...: x264                                                     
 █   FRAMERATE.....: 23.976                                                   
 █   BiTRATE.......: 11580 kbps                                           
 █   RESOLUTiON....: 1920x1080                                               
 █   AUDiO1........: English DTS 5.1 1.5 mbit                               
 █   SUBTiTLES.....: Eng,Ro,Fre,Spa,Por,Ger,Dut,Swe,Fin,Nor,Dan,Hun - ASS     
 █   SOURCE........: The Dark Knight Blu-Ray 1080p VC1 TrueHD 5.1       

Sample of my  ESiR File release. :o     
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Dec 11, 2008 at 10:54 AM
thanks bro... another info earned - 11mb/sec video bitrate :) kaso some of torrents walang description or indication of files video bitrate

If no technical info is provided, "big" files associated with the top tier groups are usually reliable...the recent ones especially are "too OK" in my opinion...too OK.    :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Dec 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Curious lang.  About the encoding groups and even the scenes groups - what do they get out of it?  Do they have sponsors or any compensation for what they're doing?  or ...wala lang? ..masaya lang? 
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 11, 2008 at 04:48 PM
RELEASE.NAME..: The.Dark.Knight.2008.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR         
 █   RELEASE.DATE..: 26.11.2008                                               
 █   THEATRE.DATE..: 14.06.2008                                               
 █   RUNTiME.......: 2:32:13                                                 
 █   SiZE..........: 13.9 GB                                               
 █   ViDEO.CODEC...: x264                                                     
 █   FRAMERATE.....: 23.976                                                   
 █   BiTRATE.......: 11580 kbps                                           
 █   RESOLUTiON....: 1920x1080                                               
 █   AUDiO1........: English DTS 5.1 1.5 mbit                               
 █   SUBTiTLES.....: Eng,Ro,Fre,Spa,Por,Ger,Dut,Swe,Fin,Nor,Dan,Hun - ASS     
 █   SOURCE........: The Dark Knight Blu-Ray 1080p VC1 TrueHD 5.1       

Sample of my  ESiR File release. :o     

uy nice one ser... hindi ko na naantay tong dts release from ESiR :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: milken on Dec 11, 2008 at 05:05 PM
I'd like to add. If you see the word "REMUX" in the title of the torrent, it means that no compression was made on the video and audio file.  What they do is they strip away all the unnecessary add-ons: special features and multiple language audios of the Bluray or HDDVD and mux them in a mkv file container, sometimes maintaining the lossless audio like TrueHD and DTS-HD.  The file size is quite big, depending on the file in the original disc, around 20-30gb.  The reason for getting the full disc is the special features (like documentary on the making of Dark Knight).  By the way, high bitrates do not automatically mean they're transparent to the source.  Comparison shots are good gauge to see if the encode is good. EuReKa often posts comparison shots of their encode and source. 

Curious lang.  About the encoding groups and even the scenes groups - what do they get out of it?  Do they have sponsors or any compensation for what they're doing?  or ...wala lang? ..masaya lang? 

Among scene groups, their motivation is competition among themselves on which one is the best group, i.e. the first to release wins.  Under their rules, there can be only one scene release for movie, music or apps. The only time the other groups can release the same title is when there is something wrong with the first release, hence they tagged it "PROPER" and explain it in nfo file.  The scene distributes among themselves but people 'steal' their releases and upload them to torrent sites "without their consent". Kaya meron ding awayan among scene groups and bittorrents sites for unauthorized distribution. hehehe  :D

Sa mga internal groups from hdbits, bit-hdtv, hdcorea, hdchina, hd-bits.ro, etc., it's more community-based parang organization.  Members of the community band together and release titles under their group name for the benefit of the rest of the community only (although you can see their releases spread out even to public torrent sites "without their consent").  As in any community, their motivation is competition too / ego tripping on which group is the best. There's bickering too inside the community.  They compare shots of their releases with those of the scene's and other groups.  As far as I know sa internal groups, they're doing it for free for the members...just like programmers who hack Microsoft, government websites, Apple iPhone to show off their skills.  Kasiyahan lang.  :D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 11, 2008 at 05:19 PM
If no technical info is provided, "big" files associated with the top tier groups are usually reliable...the recent ones especially are "too OK" in my opinion...too OK.    :)


same here bro... usually after searching i sort results by file size then by date added :)

Curious lang.  About the encoding groups and even the scenes groups - what do they get out of it?  Do they have sponsors or any compensation for what they're doing?  or ...wala lang? ..masaya lang? 

hmm... while im posting... i saw milken's post... mukhang kasiyahan lang :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 11, 2008 at 05:27 PM
I'd like to add. If you see the word "REMUX" in the title of the torrent, it means that no compression was made on the video and audio file.  What they do is they strip away all the unnecessary add-ons: special features and multiple language audios of the Bluray or HDDVD and mux them in a mkv file container, sometimes maintaining the lossless audio like TrueHD and DTS-HD.  The file size is quite big, depending on the file in the original disc, around 20-30gb, but you save on unnecessary files found in the disc backup.  I have the full bluray of Dark Knight (~40gb+).  The reason for getting the full disc is the special features (like documentary on the making of Dark Knight) but if you don't care for them, a remux or x264 reencode will do...especially for movies that don't deserve a second viewing.  Newer x264 encodes are getting more and more transparent to the source. There is a difference with the original but you can hardly notice it unless you have a big screen, decent HT gears, and golden eye/ears.  By the way, high bitrates do not automatically mean they're transparent to the source.  Comparison shots are good gauge to see if the encode is good. EuReKa often posts comparison shots of their encode and source. 

Among scene groups, their motivation is competition among themselves on which one is the best group, i.e. the first to release wins.  Under their rules, there can be only one scene release for movie, music or apps. The only time the other groups can release the same title is when there is something wrong with the first release, hence they tagged it "PROPER" and explain it in nfo file.  The scene distributes among themselves but people 'steal' their releases and upload them to torrent sites "without their consent". Kaya meron ding awayan among scene groups and bittorrents sites for unauthorized distribution. hehehe  :D

Sa mga internal groups like hdbits, bit-hdtv, hdcorea, hdchina, hd-bits.ro, etc., it's more community-based parang organization.  Members of the community band together and release titles under their group name for the benefit of the rest of the community only (although you can see their releases spread out even to public torrent sites "without their consent").  As in any community, their motivation is competition too / ego tripping on which group is the best. There's bickering too inside the community.  They compare shots of their releases with those of the scene's and other groups.  As far as I know sa internal groups, they're doing it for free for the members...just like programmers who hack Microsoft, government websites, Apple iphone to show off their skills.  Kasiyahan lang.  :D

nice research there bro milken, now i know... scene groups pala tawag sa kanila :)
having that good competition among groups... it will benefit distribution of high quality files :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Dec 11, 2008 at 05:46 PM
Well salamat sa kasiyahan nilang enthusiasts/techies/engineers/hobbyists because ako'y isa sa lubos na napapasaya rin.  Merry Xmas sa kanilang lahat and more power to them talaga!   :)

Those comparison screen shots - pampasakit lang ng ulo ng middle-aged persons yun.   ;D   Kung pangit ang source, pangit din ang encode.  Kung maganda ang source, "karaniwan" maganda rin ang encode.  Kung di maganda ang encode for whatever reason - redownload.  Kahit maganda na encode and merong lumabas na "potentially" mas maganda at mukhang "BD-killer", redownload ulit.    ;D

Pero at the end of the day, I still enjoyed watching The X-Factor in avi a lot more than spending 2 hours with 1080p and clean Army of Darkness or Sunshine or Sublime or The Happening.    ;D   

No amount of high definition video and audio can save bad movies or contents.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: thesaint on Dec 11, 2008 at 06:07 PM
Maraming napapasaya talaga yung mga groups nayan...
Pero meron din iba dyan na naghihimutok sa galit!!!
Katulad ni ?????....hehehehe....secret!!!
joke joke joke...
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 11, 2008 at 06:09 PM
Well salamat sa kasiyahan nilang enthusiasts/techies/engineers/hobbyists because ako'y isa sa lubos na napapasaya rin.  Merry Xmas sa kanilang lahat and more power to them talaga!   :)

Those comparison screen shots - pampasakit lang ng ulo ng middle-aged persons yun.   ;D   Kung pangit ang source, pangit din ang encode.  Kung maganda ang source, "karaniwan" maganda rin ang encode.  Kung di maganda ang encode for whatever reason - redownload.  Kahit maganda na encode and merong lumabas na "potentially" mas maganda at mukhang "BD-killer", redownload ulit.    ;D

Pero at the end of the day, I still enjoyed watching The X-Factor in avi a lot more than spending 2 hours with 1080p and clean Army of Darkness or Sunshine or Sublime or The Happening.    ;D   

No amount of high definition video and audio can save bad movies or contents.

dude, what r comparison screen shots? did you find it sa torrent sites?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Dec 11, 2008 at 06:11 PM
dude, what r comparison screen shots? did you find it sa torrent sites?

Yes...but not in public sites I think.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: milken on Dec 11, 2008 at 06:25 PM
nice research there bro milken, now i know... scene groups pala tawag sa kanila :)
having that good competition among groups... it will benefit distribution of high quality files :)

I've been torrenting for quite sometime na rin and fascinated with these groups.  I read forums to help me understand them better. 
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 12, 2008 at 07:49 AM
bro milken, i hope you could share with me the friendly forum sites re these groups?
i tried to search but i can't find the forum for newbies in torrents... unfortunately sites i found seems for the technical geeks :D
tia
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: milken on Dec 12, 2008 at 08:43 AM
filesharingtalk.com (http://filesharingtalk.com) is a good place to start.  It's a very informative site and good place to research. hehehe.  You have to sign up and wait 30 days though if you want to access their "secret" section. 
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 12, 2008 at 09:22 AM
just read this bro milken. thanks :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Rak-Rak on Dec 12, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Curious lang.  About the encoding groups and even the scenes groups - what do they get out of it?  Do they have sponsors or any compensation for what they're doing?  or ...wala lang? ..masaya lang? 

What do you mean "scenes groups"? encoders from sceneHD who love rar files?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: milken on Dec 12, 2008 at 11:12 AM
What do you mean "scenes groups"? encoders from sceneHD who love rar files?

Here's the definition I posted earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_(scene) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_(scene))  They are actually a community of hackers.  They share via private and exclusive FTP.  You need to offer something in return to gain access. 

Scenehd is a private torrent site which specializes in sharing scene releases (always in rar files) but they are not part of Scene per se.  Usually someone who has access to the Scene, download files from them then upload them to bittorrent sites (private like scenehd or public like demonoid) or file hosting sites (like rapidshare) without their permission.  Scene is distinguished from peer-to-peer groups, which are from private communities such as hdbits, bithdtv, hd-bits, etc., who share files among themselves but somehow their releases get uploaded to public sites or file hosting sites. most of the time without their permission. So, it's basically pirates "stealing" from other pirates.  ;D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Dec 15, 2008 at 08:10 AM
I just got my latest electric bill and my PCs have been busiest during the last month than ever (practically 24/7 including peripherals).  To my surprise, no effect on electric bill.  My consumption in terms of kWH last year during the same period was even higher.  1 high powered desktop connected to HDTV , 1 high powered laptop to 22-inch aperture grille CRT, 1 regular powered laptop, 7 external drives.

If you really want to save on electricity, dont use aircon and control the settings of your fridge appropriately.    Dont worry too much about your plasma or LCD or HTPC.   :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: demmet on Dec 19, 2008 at 07:30 PM
uy nice one ser... hindi ko na naantay tong dts release from ESiR :)


Heres another one...


E u R e K A
-----------

General Info
------------
IMDB link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059786/
Length: 117 minutes

Technical Specs
---------------
Container...........: Matroska
Video Encoder.......: x264
Video Aspect Ratio..: 2.40:1 (1920x800)
Audio Codec.........: DTS (English)
Audio BitRate.......: 1536 kbit/sec
Audio Channels......: 5.1 channels
Subtitles...........: English
Source..............: Blu-Ray
File Size...........: 17.4 GB (avg bitrate of 18.8 Mbit)
DXVA compliant......: Yes

E u R e K A seems to be good also. ;D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 20, 2008 at 06:53 AM
been a good boy, so my gf is giving me a laptop .. :D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 20, 2008 at 08:09 PM

Heres another one...


E u R e K A
-----------

General Info
------------
IMDB link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059786/
Length: 117 minutes

Technical Specs
---------------
Container...........: Matroska
Video Encoder.......: x264
Video Aspect Ratio..: 2.40:1 (1920x800)
Audio Codec.........: DTS (English)
Audio BitRate.......: 1536 kbit/sec
Audio Channels......: 5.1 channels
Subtitles...........: English
Source..............: Blu-Ray
File Size...........: 17.4 GB (avg bitrate of 18.8 Mbit)
DXVA compliant......: Yes

E u R e K A seems to be good also. ;D


bro, what's matroska (container)? i think it's a counterpart of mkv? it is, what's the diff bet the two?
gagana ba matroska sa egreat?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 20, 2008 at 08:10 PM
been a good boy, so my gf is giving me a laptop .. :D

congrats bro
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: milken on Dec 20, 2008 at 09:17 PM
bro, what's matroska (container)? i think it's a counterpart of mkv? it is, what's the diff bet the two?
gagana ba matroska sa egreat?

Matroska is the name of the container.  It has 3 file types: .mkv for video, .mka for audio and .mks for subtitles.  Parang Windows Media... may .wmv for video and .wma for audio.  Matroska is to Windows Media, while .mkv is to .wmv, .avi, etc.  :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 21, 2008 at 06:30 AM
congrats bro
thanks bro .. :)
she bought 2 units, one  (http://www.villman.com/product_photos/cq40.jpg) for me (the good boy), and one for her kid (this one (http://www.villman.com/product_photos/hp_mini1000_gallery4_400x400.jpg) i will use for 24/7 download).. :D

btw do you think a under 30k brand new compaq laptop is a bargain .. (can play 720p and some 1080p smoothly via hdmi *yes it has hdmi* and has spdif out  :D )


btw heres the my gf kids laptop

HP Mini 1001TU Intel Atom with Windows XP Home
 

Product Name  1001TU 
Product Number  NE570PA
Microprocessor  1.60 GHz Intel Atom Processor N270 35watts :D :D
Microprocessor Cache  512 KB Level 2 cache
Memory  1024 MB (1 x 1024 MB)
Memory Max  Up to 1 GB
Video Graphics  Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
Hard Drive  60 GB (4200 rpm) 1.8"
 
Display  10.2” Diagonal WSVGA HP Brightview Infinity Display (1024 x 600)
Fax/Modem  High speed 56K modem
Network Card  Ethernet 10/100BT integrated network interface
Wireless Connectivity  802.11b/g WLAN

Bluetooth
Sound  Altec Lansing speakers
Keyboard  82 key (92% Full size)
Pointing Device  Touch Pad with On/Off button and dedicated vertical Scroll Up/Down pad
External Ports  VGA
2 USB 2.0
RJ-45
Headphone-out/Microphone in combo jack
Expansion Port
AC adapter
 
Dimensions  26.17cm (L) x 16.66cm (W) x 2.513 cm (H)
Weight  1.11 kg
Power  30 W AC Power Adapter
3-Cell Lithium Polymer (26Whr) 
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Dec 22, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Matroska is the name of the container.  It has 3 file types: .mkv for video, .mka for audio and .mks for subtitles.  Parang Windows Media... may .wmv for video and .wma for audio.  Matroska is to Windows Media, while .mkv is to .wmv, .avi, etc.  :)

thank for enlightening me again bro :)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: air ween on Jan 29, 2009 at 08:09 AM
guys question lang po. how can i get an invite to join t-sites that offers HD downloads, like HD** and ***-HDTV? I believe exclusive lang membership nila??
can anyone suggest for a good and well-s**ded high definition t-sites?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Jan 29, 2009 at 08:53 AM
guys question lang po. how can i get an invite to join t-sites that offers HD downloads, like HD** and ***-HDTV? I believe exclusive lang membership nila??
can anyone suggest for a good and well-s**ded high definition t-sites?

hd-bits
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: air ween on Jan 29, 2009 at 09:40 AM
hd-bits

di po ako makapagregister eh..
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: air ween on Jan 29, 2009 at 10:10 AM
sino po ang mabait na magbibigay ng invites? sa bitmeTV, HD-bits or sa HD-TV..
Thanks po..
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: AC on Jan 29, 2009 at 11:22 AM
hindi po ba matakaw sa kuryente pc for downloading torrents?
meron po yatang mga wifi g router na pwede kabitan ng usb harddisk for downloading torrents..
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: joeyrodil on Jan 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM
sino po ang mabait na magbibigay ng invites? sa bitmeTV, HD-bits or sa HD-TV..
Thanks po..
matindi ang rules dun bro, pag di mo namaintain yung upload rate ration mo in a span no of days  pati yung nag-invite sa yo pede ma-block sa site, i am a member of those site, so takot din ako mag-bigay ng invites
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: air ween on Feb 02, 2009 at 10:49 AM
hi guys, question po. what converted would you recommended for converting MKV file to VOD (playstation readable format). I actually tried mkv2vod converter but have had some problems with the converted file itself ( when i try to open or access the file, naghahang explorer ko and then restarts ). ALso, lakas kumain ng resources. Umaabot sa 100% utilization  lahat ng  cores ko (QCORE 6600) and umaabot din sa maximum RAM ko (2g).
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: momay on Feb 02, 2009 at 12:36 PM
why not just transcode. if the codec used on your mkv's is h.264, you can just tsmuxer. no encoding will be done. or just use ps3 media server and transcoding will be done on the fly.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: air ween on Feb 02, 2009 at 02:28 PM
why not just transcode. if the codec used on your mkv's is h.264, you can just tsmuxer. no encoding will be done. or just use ps3 media server and transcoding will be done on the fly.

Don't really know how to do that Sir.. ???
Care to elaborate please?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: air ween on Feb 07, 2009 at 05:54 PM
guys help,

I have been searching a zillion times in the internet on how to avoid internet connection drops during BT downloading and wala pa talaga akong nakikitang definite na solution. Some suggestions were decreasing the global connection, limiting upload speed, port forwarding, port mapping, firmware upgrades, QoS management, etc. I have tried all of these but to no avail. I have even put my PC under DMZ mode, allowed all TCP UDP packets without any restrictions under NAT endpoint filtering  pero wala padin. RTO's pinging my router that has normal ping of less than a milliseconds, tapos mag RRTO? Madami nadin akong modifications na ginawa sa router ganon padin. ALmost all of the possibilities nagawa ko na. NAgpalit nadin ako ng router, take note, ung mahal pa na router (DLINK 655) expecting that it could handle bulk of traffic but I ended up disappointed. Pero kapag rekta ko sa modem ung PC, wala naman problema.. Hindi nagddrop ang connection. May mga recommendations/solutions po ba ang mga masters natin dito?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: pogzz505 on Jun 30, 2009 at 01:02 PM
so kung 24/7 laptop puwede na talaga yung mga Atom n280 netbooks..

for DL torrents, reply dito,..pinoyps..

edit(cut off silence, volume level) mp3's...using Roxio 7..

net browsing..eto lang naman use ko ng PC..
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: pogzz505 on Jul 24, 2009 at 02:26 PM
nakakabagal ba ng internet speed while download ka..

2mbps kasi dsl ko and napansin ko while downloading stuff nalabas sa speedtest less than 1mbps lang pero pag close ko yung bittorrent saka siya naabot sa 2mbps speed..
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Jul 24, 2009 at 02:52 PM
nakakabagal ba ng internet speed while download ka..

Yes of course.  All online things you do share the same pie.  Pag nasagad ang bandwidth sa isang function, the rest will suffer or the rest will queue.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: pogzz505 on Jul 24, 2009 at 05:28 PM
thanks again sir Clondalkin..as always..
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: momay on Jul 26, 2009 at 01:11 AM
matindi ang rules dun bro, pag di mo namaintain yung upload rate ration mo in a span no of days  pati yung nag-invite sa yo pede ma-block sa site, i am a member of those site, so takot din ako mag-bigay ng invites

nakakabadtrip yung mga ganyang private trackers. dati nag maintain ako ng more than 50 na ratio sa moviex, wala ring nangyari. nadesolve.di yung ratio ko kundi yung tracker. ;D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: milken on Jul 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM
@joeyrodil and momay,
Marami naman ibang private trackers dyan.  i don't keep my eggs in one basket ika nga.  hd-bits.ro ang may min. 10gb traffic per month. pangit na yung site. hdbits 4gb min. per month.  ibang tracker halos no minimum.  for starters, hd-torrent, which opens up from time to time, is not bad imo. easy to maintain ratio.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Sep 13, 2009 at 09:24 AM
Anyone po using smart bro for download?
natuwa kasi ako kasi the download speed increased by 50% :o
i don't know if it's because of smart bro improvements or
it's because of the torrent source
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: andre on Sep 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Anybody tried this one for 24/7?

Acer Aspire R3600.

http://www.acer.com.ph/acer/product.do?link=oln85e.redirect&changedAlts=&kcond48e.c2att101=-1&CRC=2759084358#wrAjaxHistory=0
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: pogzz505 on Sep 13, 2009 at 06:03 PM
Anybody tried this one for 24/7?

Acer Aspire R3600.

http://www.acer.com.ph/acer/product.do?link=oln85e.redirect&changedAlts=&kcond48e.c2att101=-1&CRC=2759084358#wrAjaxHistory=0

it's running Windows Vista with Intel Atom..slow yan di ba..hirap ang Atom sa Vista..
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 14, 2009 at 05:32 AM
it's running Windows Vista with Intel Atom..slow yan di ba..hirap ang Atom sa Vista..
vista basic will do just fine.  :)
anything above that OS, i won't recommend.   ;)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: andre on Sep 14, 2009 at 06:25 AM
But Acer has a N330 inside. Isn't that dual core already? I need a PC for 24/7, no noise, less electricity, etc.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: nerveblocker on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:16 AM
Matroska is the name of the container.  It has 3 file types: .mkv for video, .mka for audio and .mks for subtitles.  Parang Windows Media... may .wmv for video and .wma for audio.  Matroska is to Windows Media, while .mkv is to .wmv, .avi, etc.  :)

Bro would the .srt subtitle run with mkvs or do I have to convert it to .mks?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: nerveblocker on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:30 AM
For downloading files, just buy an old P4 desktop.  Most of them specially the branded ones like Fujitsu, IBM or Compaq are cheap nowadays in surplus shops.  They cost something like P5k and below.   I've got an old Fujitsu desktop with a 150 watt powersupply running on Linux Mint.  I just transfer my downloaded files to an external HDD.

Here's a source (http://www.openpinoy.com/) of those old desktops.

Personally I do not suggest having an HTPC and a torrent downloader in one machine.  If one of your downloads have a bad virus, spyware or malware it will surely slow down your system.  Most HTPCs need higher wattage powersupplies because of the demands of the CPU.  Have a separate low powered PC dedicated only for 24/7 downloads and just use your HTPC when you need it.   ;)     
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: DonT on Sep 14, 2009 at 02:39 PM
Maybe an old Notebook would be better than an old PC as far downloading files are concerned..(less power consumption)
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: Clondalkin on Sep 14, 2009 at 03:57 PM
Anyone po using smart bro for download?
natuwa kasi ako kasi the download speed increased by 50% :o
i don't know if it's because of smart bro improvements or
it's because of the torrent source

Simple guide lang.  Divide mo yung internet speed mo (mbps) by 8.  Yung resulting quotient should be the max DL speed in (kB/sec or mB/sec).   Kung hindi ka umaabot sa number na yon, either your ISP is slow, or the torrent is slow or both.   Kung lumagpas ka don, then your ISP is not telling you that your line has been upgraded - but dont complain.   ;D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: eksi on Sep 14, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Simple guide lang.  Divide mo yung internet speed mo (mbps) by 8.  Yung resulting quotient should be the max DL speed in (kB/sec or mB/sec).   Kung hindi ka umaabot sa number na yon, either your ISP is slow, or the torrent is slow or both.   Kung lumagpas ka don, then your ISP is not telling you that your line has been upgraded - but dont complain.   ;D

If my math is accurate (using your formula bro), then my dl speed increased by 100% :o ;D
definitely no reason to complain but to rejoice ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 15, 2009 at 12:25 AM
If my math is accurate (using your formula bro), then my dl speed increased by 100% :o ;D
definitely no reason to complain but to rejoice ;D ;D ;D
what's your current DL speed?
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: oj88 on Sep 15, 2009 at 10:46 AM
For my 24x7 PC, I have an old desktop running ClarkConnect v4.3. It acts as both broadband gateway and torrent client (Torrentflux). It's basically a P4-2Ghz with an Intel board, 512MB DDR, 500GB HDD, and two NICs. All the wireless "routers" I've tried so far (D-Link, Linksys and TP-Link) are either unreliable (requires a reboot every few days) or lacks the features I want in a broadband router (ie. IPS/IDS, bandwidth control, advanced firewall configs, VPN, Windows file sharing, web and FTP server, etc.)

The only thing the wireless routers are good at are doing switching and wireless AP roles. I currently have two TP-Link wireless routers working as such. The D-Link wireless router (DI-624+) is hopeless, as even the wireless portion of it keeps shutting down for no apparent reason. It's been replaced 3x and already running the latest firmware... pure CP\@p...

I will eventually add more HDD capacity to this in the future so that I can stream videos directly from it. With the current setup, I have to regularly move downloaded files to my main PC or HTPC before the 500GB clogs up.
Title: Re: 24/7 Download PC and HTPC
Post by: pogzz505 on Sep 15, 2009 at 01:03 PM
ok din naman siguro gamitin 24/7 downloader yung mga 10" netbooks..