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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: Carlo777 on Dec 20, 2008 at 05:16 PM
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The 40A650
After weeks of contemplation I finally gave in and purchased the Samsung 40A650 full HD T.V, this was influenced by the very good performance of the cheaper 32A550 and I needed to have a higher end Full Hd panel - that's an LCD, to compliment my Panasonic 42PY800, another very good 1080p performer but on plasma's side.
I won't go through with the specs on paper but rather on how the unit performs in "real life"
Blu-Ray/DVD
Using a Pioneer DV610v we watched the Lord of the Rings "Return of the King" dvd set at 1080p, the cavalry charge towards the end of the movie was presented in a very panoramic manner with no hints of slow-down or pixelation. On blu-ray we tested the Transformers from chapters 18-25, just to check if the extremely fast paced action, which involves high speed chases and rapid mech transformations would slow the unit down. Pleasant surprise! No hitch at all! With everything flowing smoothly despite so many things happening on-screen at the same time. For black levels, we used the very dark Underworld Evolution blu-ray and switched off all the lights to verify just how consistent the backlight and black levels are, it's still not as solid as my Panny 42PY800 with pockets of somewhat grey areas that's supposed to be pitched black, and we still observed a few sections of uneven lighting. Not really a big deal and you can simply over-look this minor set back. Since this is LCD, you don't get any green phosphor lag (those annoying green trails on plasma) in high contrast areas and some may say - That's lcd and you'll get motion blur instead! Based on what we've seen with our test materials above, the A650 does not seem to have that issue.
PS3/Xbox 360
The weakness of the so-called "game mode" feature of Samsung was that it gave you great input response time but at the expense of picture quality (lower models define graphics in a somewhat pale manner). This unit has a very good looking picture with game mode switched on! Colors are vibrant and with jaggy's kept to a bare minimum. The game we used to test this is a 2.5D Japanese game called "Battle Fantasia", the game is known to bring out jaggy edges because it's a mixture of hand drawn sprites over polygons. Normally, the overly sharp picture definition of an LCD will make you want to slip this game back to your CRT monitor. We didn't have that feeling with this unit, as it displayed the game in a crisp and clean way. If this model displays great picture quality on a graphically inferior game, I can't wait to see it play 1080p native games like MGS4^^^
Cable
No cable yet, still need to channel this thing.
Sound
No complains here, I'm not really into the audio stuff.
Initial impressions
May not be the cheapest LCD but based on how it performs so far, it's ONE OF THE BEST LOOKING, BEST PERFORMING FULL HD PANELS OUT THERE! Hopefully, when I do get the time I'll compare this with the Panasonic 42PY800! I'd like to see how Sammy's 1080 24P "Real Movie" or it's Auto motion plus compares to Panny's intelligent frame creation.
I'm still playing with this toy and will try to give more updates...soon
Added info:
Dvd and Blu-ray set to 1080p, game was set to 720p.
Thanks to Vic of Sights and Sounds for another smooth purchase, too bad I was not able to get this during those funky sale dates=(
Anyone care to share their experince with this unit? You may also want to share a few settings as well ;)
Thank you...
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congrats on your new set :)
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Congrats on your latest tech toy.... care to share how much you got it here or by PM to be discreet... Thanks..
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congrats on your new set :)
Thanks!
Congrats on your latest tech toy.... care to share how much you got it here or by PM to be discreet... Thanks..
Ok I'll send the price.
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Thanks!
Ok I'll send the price.
Sir, pa-send narin kung magkano kuha mo at kung saan. ;D Thanks and congrats on your new gear.
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Sir, pa-send narin kung magkano kuha mo at kung saan. ;D Thanks and congrats on your new gear.
Sir, sa sights and sounds. Cge pm ko yung price^
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The 40A650
After weeks of contemplation I finally gave in and purchased the Samsung 40A650 full HD T.V, this was influenced by the very good performance of the cheaper 32A550 and I needed to have a higher end Full Hd panel - that's an LCD, to compliment my Panasonic 42PY800, another very good 1080p performer but on plasma's side.
I won't go through with the specs on paper but rather on how the unit performs in "real life"
Blu-Ray/DVD
Using a Pioneer DV610v we watched the Lord of the Rings "Return of the King" dvd set at 1080p, the cavalry charge towards the end of the movie was presented in a very panoramic manner with no hints of slow-down or pixelation. On blu-ray we tested the Transformers from chapters 18-25, just to check if the extremely fast paced action, which involves high speed chases and rapid mech transformations would slow the unit down. Pleasant surprise! No hitch at all! With everything flowing smoothly despite so many things happening on-screen at the same time. For black levels, we used the very dark Underworld Evolution blu-ray and switched off all the lights to verify just how consistent the backlight and black levels are, it's still not as solid as my Panny 42PY800 with pockets of somewhat grey areas that's supposed to be pitched black, and we still observed a few sections of uneven lighting. Not really a big deal and you can simply over-look this minor set back. Since this is LCD, you don't get any green phosphor lag (those annoying green trails on plasma) in high contrast areas and some may say - That's lcd and you'll get motion blur instead! Based on what we've seen with our test materials above, the A650 does not seem to have that issue.
PS3/Xbox 360
The weakness of the so-called "game mode" feature of Samsung was that it gave you great input response time but at the expense of picture quality (lower models define graphics in a somewhat pale manner). This unit has a very good looking picture with game mode switched on! Colors are vibrant and with jaggy's kept to a bare minimum. The game we used to test this is a 2.5D Japanese game called "Battle Fantasia", the game is known to bring out jaggy edges because it's a mixture of hand drawn sprites over polygons. Normally, the overly sharp picture definition of an LCD will make you want to slip this game back to your CRT monitor. We didn't have that feeling with this unit, as it displayed the game in a crisp and clean way. If this model displays great picture quality on a graphically inferior game, I can't wait to see it play 1080p native games like MGS4^^^
Cable
No cable yet, still need to channel this thing.
Sound
No complains here, I'm not really into the audio stuff.
Initial impressions
May not be the cheapest LCD but based on how it performs so far, it's ONE OF THE BEST LOOKING, BEST PERFORMING FULL HD PANELS OUT THERE! Hopefully, when I do get the time I'll compare this with the Panasonic 42PY800! I'd like to see how Sammy's 1080 24P "Real Movie" or it's Auto motion plus compares to Panny's intelligent frame creation.
I'm still playing with this toy and will try to give more updates...soon
Added info:
Dvd and Blu-ray set to 1080p, game was set to 720p.
Thanks to Vic of Sights and Sounds for another smooth purchase, too bad I was not able to get this during those funky sale dates=(
Anyone care to share their experince with this unit? You may also want to share a few settings as well ;)
Thank you...
Congrats Carlos. I am sure you will love it.
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I also got a 40A650 from SnS.
I'd like to thank Carlo777 for replying to my inquiries...
Looking forward to your settings when you get yours calibrated... hehe... (gamitin ko for baseline settings)
From my PM to Carlo777,
As of now, my settings are based on these sites...
The most helpful one I saw was this... (maganda yung links na included)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080519191429AAQiyyP
as well as these...
http://www.tweaktv.com/tweak-my-tv/calibration-guide/samsung-ln52a650.html
http://reviews.cnet.com/9602-12576_7-0.html?messageID=2510694
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Congrats Carlos. I am sure you will love it.
Thanks Kenny! Your Transformers Blu-Ray test material really shows if a t.v can deliver!
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Thanks Kenny! Your Transformers Blu-Ray test material really shows if a t.v can deliver!
And your recommendation on the Panny PV80 was stellar. Kids have been spellbound using there PS3. We have already been through the 150 hour "extensive" break in period. Just 50 more to go :)
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Sir, sa sights and sounds. Cge pm ko yung price^
Got it. Thanks for the info sir. I'm still choosing between the A550 and A650. ;)
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i want this lcd really bad. ::)
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And your recommendation on the Panny PV80 was stellar. Kids have been spellbound using there PS3. We have already been through the 150 hour "extensive" break in period. Just 50 more to go :)
You're going for the 200 hours mark? Wow, I think 100 hours is good enough.
Got it. Thanks for the info sir. I'm still choosing between the A550 and A650. ;)
Sir, the A550 is also a very good T.V the main difference between the two would be:
-The A650 defines Dynamic mode better (Solves the overly bright issue)
-A650 has 4ms response time vs 5ms for the A550
-The A650 has a slightly better motion flow
-The A550 frame looks better, personally I'm not a big fan of a red T.V (My only complain with the A650)
Oh, I forgot the A650 has a higher contrast ratio (but for me paper specs are not really very important)
IMPRESSION UPDATE:
Tested MGS4, on the A650 and what can I say...PERFECT! The game looks absolutely stunning and moves very well, no stutters, no motion flow issues, no ghosting of any kind!
Tested Resistance "Fall of man" and compared it with my PY800
Panasonic 42PY800 on Standard, Samsung 40A650 on "Game-Mode"
1) On the 1st level of the game (Yes, 1st level pa lang ako, very bad with fps types of games) I did very quick pans, moving swiftly from left to right.
-Both units did not loose any form of detail bec. of motion blur
-When not moving the PY800 has a slightly better picture quality, but the green phosphor lag became evident during the quick pans. (not a big deal for me dahil na sanay na din ako)
-There is no way for me to scientifically measure input lag, but both units seem to be very responsive.
More updates when I have more time^
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A very impressive breadth and depth review that makes it a valuable guide to TV buyers. I always learn valuable things from this member's review, not just at first reading, but read it over and over to learn more about the product. Good work, Mr. Carlo777!
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A very impressive breadth and depth review that makes it a valuable guide to TV buyers. I always learn valuable things from this member's review, not just at first reading, but read it over and over to learn more about the product. Good work, Mr. Carlo777!
I don't feel like a complete newbie now after that statement^
There are still numbers and figures (Tech specs) about a T.V that I'm still trying to learn, but right now - I just trust my eyes!
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Thanks sir Carlo777. Your posts are very informative and helpful for those who are on the hunt for new TVs. With your input, along with other members, I'm now leaning towards the A650. ;)
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Thanks sir Carlo777. Your posts are very informative and helpful for those who are on the hunt for new TVs. With your input, along with other members, I'm now leaning towards the A650. ;)
Thank you sir!
I get a lot of Pm's about what T.V to buy and I always tell them to consider these rules:
1) Trust your eyes and not the specs
2) Don't outsource your eyes to anybody, bec at days end you'll be the one to watch the T.V, not me nor the seller. (Don't follow the bandwagon)
3) Stick to your budget! I won't pay over 5k in terms of price difference between two models that will only provide an incremental differences in terms of pq!
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you did it again buddy .. a very informative review. :D
btw try playing games more often .. games doesnt end in the 1st chapter you know .. :D :D (ofcourse im kidding ;D ) merry xmas Carlo777
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you did it again buddy .. a very informative review. :D
btw try playing games more often .. games doesnt end in the 1st chapter you know .. :D :D (ofcourse im kidding ;D ) merry xmas Carlo777
I'd love to go beyond chapter 1 but games like Resistance or Call of Duty or any FPS makes my head spin...
CERTIFIED SUPER FRUSTRATED FPS GAMER HERE...Merry x-mas to you as well!
Oh and one more thing? Do you play fps games? If you do, what's a good viewing distance for these critters? I get dizzy in like 15 mins, I'm really starting to love the genre, but I can't seem to get rid of the motion sickness :(
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I'd love to go beyond chapter 1 but games like Resistance or Call of Duty or any FPS makes my head spin...
CERTIFIED SUPER FRUSTRATED FPS GAMER HERE...Merry x-mas to you as well!
Oh and one more thing? Do you play fps games? If you do, what's a good viewing distance for these critters? I get dizzy in like 15 mins, I'm really starting to love the genre, but I can't seem to get rid of the motion sickness :(
it really depends. if its fight night party with my buddies, its usually under 5ft. (sikip ng apartment ;D )
regular gaming though around 6ft. max at 8ft. :D :D
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it really depends. if its fight night party with my buddies, its usually under 5ft. (sikip ng apartment ;D )
regular gaming though around 6ft. max at 8ft. :D :D
Fight Night I guess is a fighting game so under 5ft is really sweet for that genre, but how about let's say COD or a similar fps game do you go all the way back to 8ft? What kind of games require you to move all the way back to that viewing distance? Your personal experience will really come in handy (seems you're a marathon gamer :))
Thanks a lot for the advise ;)
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Fight Night I guess is a fighting game so under 5ft is really sweet for that genre, but how about let's say COD or a similar fps game do you go all the way back to 8ft? What kind of games require you to move all the way back to that viewing distance? Your personal experience will really come in handy (seems you're a marathon gamer :))
Thanks a lot for the advise ;)
same goes for fps games bro .. :)
i prefer 5-6 ft since i want a to maximize the size of my tv .. 42" is still small i guess, i mean when you get used to it :(
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Sir, the A550 is also a very good T.V the main difference between the two would be:
-The A650 defines Dynamic mode better (Solves the overly bright issue)
-A650 has 4ms response time vs 5ms for the A550
-The A650 has a slightly better motion flow
-The A550 frame looks better, personally I'm not a big fan of a red T.V (My only complain with the A650)
Oh, I forgot the A650 has a higher contrast ratio (but for me paper specs are not really very important)
I compared 40A450, 40A550 & 40A650 sa Abenson Shangri-la...
I found motion in A550 seems not natural... If sound has an echo... this model has one in terms of picture motion (don't know the term for this)
For me A450 is better than 40A550 (although the specs of the latter is outstanding than the former) in terms of picture motion... I can't see the difference in terms of contrast and pixels (HD ready vs. Full HD panel).
I find A650 best among the 3 said models... I can't see the difference of higher pixels of A650 from A450 but I find the contrast of A650 better (based on displaying black pictures/scenes)
happy holidays :)
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Carlo777,
Kindly PM the price of this baby. I'm also in the hunt for the best LCD my limited budget can buy.
And thanks for the very informative review. This is exactly what I'm looking for in a product review... actual impressions rather than being so technical w/c we won't understand anyway. You narrowed down my shortlist with this review.
I guess i don't have to wish you Merry Christmas as surely yours is really a happy one now that you have your new toy. ;D
JollyBMcDonald 8)
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More Units Available
40A650 at cash P79990. Add P5K for a HTZ210. Visit or call for more discount.
Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangri-La Plaza. Tel. 634-1789 to 90. Mobile 0917-5413491.
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Carlo777,
Kindly PM the price of this baby. I'm also in the hunt for the best LCD my limited budget can buy.
And thanks for the very informative review. This is exactly what I'm looking for in a product review... actual impressions rather than being so technical w/c we won't understand anyway. You narrowed down my shortlist with this review.
I guess i don't have to wish you Merry Christmas as surely yours is really a happy one now that you have your new toy. ;D
JollyBMcDonald 8)
Thanks! Btw, Vic of sns also known here as e-reply posted the price already. I got it from them^
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Oh thanks... that was quick. BTW, what's the difference with the LN vs. LA models. Is your unit the LA-40A6501R or LN?
Thanks again
JollyBMcDonald 8)
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Oh thanks... that was quick. BTW, what's the difference with the LN vs. LA models. Is your unit the LA-40A6501R or LN?
Thanks again
JollyBMcDonald 8)
LA sir! LN, I think is a designation for the U.S market.
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Ok. Thanks. I guess I have to take a quick trip to SnS one of these days.
Only problem now is how to convince the wife. :-[
Happy holidays.
JollyBMcDonald 8)
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Ok. Thanks. I guess I have to take a quick trip to SnS one of these days.
Only problem now is how to convince the wife. :-[
Happy holidays.
JollyBMcDonald 8)
That is always very difficult^^^
Anyway, Merry Christmas and Happy Hunting!
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Well, what can i say.... i got the wife's approval and i ordered the 40650 before lunch, contemplated on whether or not to pick it up as i was quoted the base price without the free delivery to maximize the discount. However, when I was told that to fit the TV with box inside a sedan, I have to remove the back seat, I just opted for it to be delivered. Good thing there was also scheduled delivery within my area of residence, my unit arrived within the day I ordered it. I'm impressed...
Back to the HDTV, when it was installed, it got the "Wow" reaction that I was expecting from my wife. It helped also that I told her that the TV's just a little bigger than our older 25-inch Wega. She was surprised at how big the TV was. When I was staring at it with the unit turned off, I just can't help but admire the beauty of that baby..... if it was a car, it may be an executive car. Elegant indeed.
With regards to the tuner taking too long to appear when changing channels, i found it not too bad afterall. I was expecting it to be that long but it's just a little slower than my Wega. So, I guess i can live with that. I found also the Cable TV viewing not that bad as I was expecting it to be. I was expecting a super pixelated VCD-like-quality cable TV picture but it's not too bad either. Just don't expect it to be DVD like quality.
I tested the USB using my thumb drive and all I can say is wow. I haven't seen my photos this big. However, i find it a little bit overly sharp despite the sharpness set to 2 only.
I'll be adding more observation and impressions on this new toy of mine as soon as i'm done testing.
JollyBMcDonald 8)
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Congratulations! nakaka inggit ka naman.. ;D
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Congratulations! nakaka inggit ka naman.. ;D
Thanks sir... this is a post Christmas gift for our family.
BTW, that was another smooth transaction from Sights & Sounds Shangrila.
Thanks to Hazel of S&S, medyo kinulit ko talaga sya.
JollyBMcDonald 8)
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Thanks sir... this is a post Christmas gift for our family.
BTW, that was another smooth transaction from Sights & Sounds Shangrila.
Thanks to Hazel of S&S, medyo kinulit ko talaga sya.
JollyBMcDonald 8)
Thanks for buying a TV from us. Enjoy your new toy.. :D
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Thanks sir... this is a post Christmas gift for our family.
BTW, that was another smooth transaction from Sights & Sounds Shangrila.
Thanks to Hazel of S&S, medyo kinulit ko talaga sya.
JollyBMcDonald 8)
Mukhang di tumalab kay Sir Vic charm nyo ah ;D
Pero bilib ako ser... kasi dinivert nyo yung charm nyo sa kind girls ng SnS at nakuha nyo parin lowest price! ;D
Congrats po :)
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Mukhang di tumalab kay Sir Vic charm nyo ah ;D
Pero bilib ako ser... kasi dinivert nyo yung charm nyo sa kind girls ng SnS at nakuha nyo parin lowest price! ;D
Congrats po :)
Well, I chose to talk to a girl kasi I know mangungulit ako and generally, women tend to be more tolerant than men so there.... ;D
Additional observation with the unit is that there is a 10sec delay before the TV turns on. This probably will take some getting used to especially since this is a first time for me to have a TV set that has delay that long. The first time i turned on the unit, i got scared 'cause i thought it went kaput on me. I don't know if it's the same across all the units of the same model or it's only w/ mine...
Other owners, kindly confirm, pls.
JollyBMcDonald 8)
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Well, I chose to talk to a girl kasi I know mangungulit ako and generally, women tend to be more tolerant than men so there.... ;D
Additional observation with the unit is that there is a 10sec delay before the TV turns on. This probably will take some getting used to especially since this is a first time for me to have a TV set that has delay that long. The first time i turned on the unit, i got scared 'cause i thought it went kaput on me. I don't know if it's the same across all the units of the same model or it's only w/ mine...
Other owners, kindly confirm, pls.
JollyBMcDonald 8)
Never noticed that, cge let me check when I get home^^^
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mga ilang seconds nga din ang delay pag turn on sa tv. pero, this doesn't bother me as long as I get to watch tv or play my favorite ps3 games on it. it would help if you can turn on the "chime" na nag pplay when you turn the tv on para di masyado halata yung delay. pag inabot ng mga 30 seconds at di pa on yung tv, malamang mag panik na ko. hehhehe
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no problem naman yun as long as you get to enjoy watching naman. okay lang naman na may delay siya parang boot up time lang ng pc :P hehehe!
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Never noticed that, cge let me check when I get home^^^
Mga 10 seconds nga sir...
Counted this way...1 (1000) 2 (1000) 3(1000)...
Sa mga Panny and Tosh ko ganun din mga 10 seconds counting the same way...I guess the delay is normal!
Pina akyat baba nyo ako sa bahay sir ;)
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Mga 10 seconds nga sir...
Counted this way...1 (1000) 2 (1000) 3(1000)...
Sa mga Panny and Tosh ko ganun din mga 10 seconds counting the same way...I guess the delay is normal!
Pina akyat baba nyo ako sa bahay sir ;)
mukhang bawat floors may tv set-up ser ah... sulit na sulit ang cable tv ;D
happy new year po
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Mga 10 seconds nga sir...
Counted this way...1 (1000) 2 (1000) 3(1000)...
Sa mga Panny and Tosh ko ganun din mga 10 seconds counting the same way...I guess the delay is normal!
Pina akyat baba nyo ako sa bahay sir ;)
You made me smile here.... thanks for confirming.... quite a collection of TV's huh.... I guess i have to ask your wife for an appointment with my wife about how to support a husband's hobby.
And oh, now i can sleep better. ;D
Happy new year.
JollyBMcDonald 8)
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You made me smile here.... thanks for confirming.... quite a collection of TV's huh.... I guess i have to ask your wife for an appointment with my wife about how to support a husband's hobby.
And oh, now i can sleep better. ;D
Happy new year.
JollyBMcDonald 8)
No problem sir! Enjoy your new T.V and have a God Blessed New Year=)
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bro,
as posted on your other thread, ill wait for your observations between this model and the pana py800..hopefully you can find time for it :D
thanks!
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I'm planning to to have this unit by next week..It's my second unit actually coming from SnS. Hirap tumambay talaga dito sa PDVD, dumadami gastusin, yayaman ng mga tao dito.. ;D
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bro,
as posted on your other thread, ill wait for your observations between this model and the pana py800..hopefully you can find time for it :D
thanks!
Yup will do one on saturday^
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By request a quick comparison of the Sammy A650 vs the Panny PY800 ;)
Ok, this has to be the most difficult eye racking comparison I've ever made. First let me go on record by saying that both units deliver very good pictures. I'll now give a run down of how they perform.
Cable (Cinema mode)
No doubt the PY800 beats the A650 here, with no pixelations and the softer color of PLASMA tends to mask the imperfections of our cable broadcast.
DVD (Standard mode)
Source: Pioneer DV410V set to 1080p at regular RGB
Movie: Hokuto no Ken Raoh Den (Japanese Animation)
Sammy brings the charge with colors that will make you feel like your watching the animation from a glossy brochure! It's that good, and again the motion flow of both units were tested to the max when the lead character named Kenshiro does a very fast flurry of punches. Both remained steady with no signs of stutter, however with PLASMA I saw the green trails lash out, no motion blur for Sammy, so for this round and this particular movie - I'll say it's the A650! (will test LOTR and Star Wars later on)
Blu-Ray (Standard)
Source: PS3 Japanese version set to "Limited RGB" and at 1080p
Movie: Transformers
Chapter 18-25 where there were so many things happening at the same time - Heavy and fast mech transformations were done with great fluidity for both units. No pixelations, no stutters, no picture breaks or issues whatsoever.
Movie: Underworld Evolution (Used because of it's very dark backgrounds)
Panny wins here with it's great definition of blacks, Sammy displayed dark areas with shades of grey and the usual uneven backlighting that's common place with LCD.
Video Games (Standard)
Source: PS3 at limited RGB and set to 1080p
Game: Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Both units nearly have the same picture definition and input response time. Picture quality becomes subjective here, if you like "softer" "earthly" pictures then the PY800 is the unit for you. But if you like a very digitized look for your game (Which I prefer) then Sammy is the way to go for the PS3. On a side note during quick pans of Ninja Gaiden's dark game stages, the Plasma can't help but show the phosphor lag via green trails. Sammy with it's 4ms response time did not show any form of issue like "motion-blur".
Stock sound:
Hands down the BBE-Viva of the PY800 delivers crisper and clearer sound.
That's all for today and will test more movies for both units when time permits=)
Sorry as this was one rush type...
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nice bro... more.... :)
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By request a quick comparison of the Sammy A650 vs the Panny PY800 ;)
Ok, this has to be the most difficult eye racking comparison I've ever made. First let me go on record by saying that both units deliver very good pictures. I'll now give a run down of how they perform.
Cable (Cinema mode)
No doubt the PY800 beats the A650 here, with no pixelations and the softer color of PLASMA tends to mask the imperfections of our cable broadcast.
DVD (Standard mode)
Source: Pioneer DV410V set to 1080p at regular RGB
Movie: Hokuto no Ken Raoh Den (Japanese Animation)
Sammy brings the charge with colors that will make you feel like your watching the animation from a glossy brochure! It's that good, and again the motion flow of both units were tested to the max when the lead character named Kenshiro does a very fast flurry of punches. Both remained steady with no signs of stutter, however with PLASMA I saw the green trails lash out, no motion blur for Sammy, so for this round and this particular movie - I'll say it's the A650! (will test LOTR and Star Wars later on)
Blu-Ray (Standard)
Source: PS3 Japanese version set to "Limited RGB" and at 1080p
Movie: Transformers
Chapter 18-25 where there were so many things happening at the same time - Heavy and fast mech transformations were done with great fluidity for both units. No pixelations, no stutters, no picture breaks or issues whatsoever.
Movie: Underworld Evolution (Used because of it's very dark backgrounds)
Panny wins here with it's great definition of blacks, Sammy displayed dark areas with shades of grey and the usual uneven backlighting that's common place with LCD.
Video Games (Standard)
Source: PS3 at limited RGB and set to 1080p
Game: Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Both units nearly have the same picture definition and input response time. Picture quality becomes subjective here, if you like "softer" "earthly" pictures then the PY800 is the unit for you. But if you like a very digitized look for your game (Which I prefer) then Sammy is the way to go for the PS3. On a side note during quick pans of Ninja Gaiden's dark game stages, the Plasma can't help but show the phosphor lag via green trails. Sammy with it's 4ms response time did not show any form of issue like "motion-blur".
Stock sound:
Hands down the BBE-Viva of the PY800 delivers crisper and clearer sound.
That's all for today and will test more movies for both units when time permits=)
Sorry as this was one rush type...
One of the better comparative user reviews. It is posts like these that make this a great board.
Great job Carlo777
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One of the better comparative user reviews. It is posts like these that make this a great board.
Great job Carlo777
QFT
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great job mr. carlo!
i guess you wont regret whichever unit you get, since they both show positive reviews on their own areas.
we will await DVD perfomance on non cartoon / anime films :)
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great job mr. carlo!
i guess you wont regret whichever unit you get, since they both show positive reviews on their own areas.
we will await DVD perfomance on non cartoon / anime films :)
Sa next Saturday lalang uli^
QFT
I heard this in a science project way way back...Pa explain naman sir ;)
One of the better comparative user reviews. It is posts like these that make this a great board.
Great job Carlo777
Thanks Kenny! Really love your test material :D
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I heard this in a science project way way back...Pa explain naman sir ;)
you mean quantum field theory? (am not really a science guy :D )
quoted for truth bro .. :)
i shouldve said i totally agree (but i find this too girly ;D ;D )
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you mean quantum field theory? (am not really a science guy :D )
quoted for truth bro .. :)
i shouldve said i totally agree (but i find this too girly ;D ;D )
OT:
Bro pa advise naman ng magandang PC set up pang HTPC^^^
Yung mura lang ;)
One more off topic question pre...Do you get motion sickness when you play games like resistance sa PV80 mo? Also, can anybody advise me on how to avoid motion sickness while playing FPS games on huge screens? Para naman maka enjoy to the max^
Thank you very very much in advance!
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One more off topic question pre...Do you get motion sickness when you play games like resistance sa PV80 mo? Also, can anybody advise me on how to avoid motion sickness while playing FPS games on huge screens? Para naman maka enjoy to the max^
YES!
Increase illumination of the room.
Sit farther from the monitor.
Force blink your eyes, or the opposite of blink (the Pinoys use that to greet somebody - how do you call that).
STOP before you feel worse. Stretch or take toilet break or do whatever you can for a few minutes every hour.
Put a cold compress on your forehead. Or just wipe your face with something very very cold.
Some Xbots even drink Bonamine.
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YES!
Increase illumination of the room.
Sit farther from the monitor.
Force blink your eyes, or the opposite of blink (the Pinoys use that to greet somebody - how do you call that).
STOP before you feel worse. Stretch or take toilet break or do whatever you can for a few minutes every hour.
Put a cold compress on your forehead. Or just wipe your face with something very very cold.
Some Xbots even drink Bonamine.
Really? Cge I'll take one before I play a game.
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Force blink your eyes, or the opposite of blink (the Pinoys use that to greet somebody - how do you call that).
Some Xbots even drink Bonamine.
DILAT ??? ;D
i never thought youd use that word :D :D
@Carlo777
just take a few minutes break every hour, its quite effective .. ;)
htpc setup, hmm are we starting off from scratch? what OS?
processor - 4-5k
motherboard - 3.5k - 5k (if youre brand concious)
ram - 1.5k - 2k
hdd (depends on what youre using)
ill prepare 15k without the external drive and discrete video card .. (after downloading core avc*thanks clondalkin* i can safely say you wont need one)
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DILAT ??? ;D
i never thought youd use that word :D :D
Oh yeah, not the "maniac's" dilat, but yun "hi kabayan" dilat dapat because the point is to force the gamer to move his eyes (muscles/lids) or kumurap.
Just to emphasize the superiority of the Xbox in terms of FPS sa Fanboyz, that all precautions must be taken to protect the health of the FPS gamer. ;D ;D ;D But my Xbox has been literally sleeping for the past months - thanks to MKVs - pero may motion sickness din sometimes depending on the scene. :(
Kung non-gamer, the cheapest discrete video cards with the latest HD engine should be OK too (ATI HD34xx, 36xx, 45xx or equivalent Nvidia), but if you're going to build a PC with powerful CPU, you'd most likely try to play 3D games, kahit casual gaming lang.
But in Carlo777's case, I would recommend a powerful ATI card with more than 2 digital outputs para sabay sabay nyang maikabit, side by side, some of his collection of HDTVs. ;) - parang may nakita akong ATI card na 2-slot wide with 4 outputs.
OT po.
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parang may nakita akong ATI card na 2-slot wide with 4 outputs.
both ati and nvidia has them dual slot vga card. a bit expensive though :)
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carlo, playing ps3 games on a pv80 and samsung lcd, more detailed ba visuals pag sa lcd?
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carlo, playing ps3 games on a pv80 and samsung lcd, more detailed ba visuals pag sa lcd?
I'd use the word mas "crisp" ang dating ng Sammy A650 over a PV80 when it comes to games.
@barrister
Sir, if you can read this I have a question for you sana, The Sammy A650 uses a so-called 120Hz LCD technology and how does that compare to the 480hz "sub field" drive ng Panny Py800? Are they the same?
Thanks for the input master ;)
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whats with barrister?? and the question?
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whats with barrister?? and the question?
masipag kasi si barrister mag research .. :)
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My brother in the states decided to replace his 3 year old 37 inch LCD Aquos in his lving room (first 1080 P in the market) with a 40 inch LCD unit. He thought that as circuit city was going out of business he could get a great deal. He also is a valued customer of "Best Buy" already and "PC Richards "as well. Although Circuit city had some good deals he just did not want to buy from them at this point. Best buy had some great deals but most of there better Deals were out of stock. The other shop "PC richards" is a good place to shop but there prices are not always the lowest compared to best buy and thats why they will always have stock available. My brother called me and raved about this great deal he just got. This 40 inch unit, he says, is the best LCD he has ever seen. He liked it more than the Sony XBR he tested and even commented he compared it to the best Pioneers plasma PQ (which was three times the price). He went on and on about this LCD and how great it looked in BD as well as regualar HD. He loves it so much that he will now be buying another one for his bedroom. The LCD Cost him USD dollar 1049 (Peso 50,000). The regular price is 1699 US dollars.
The model was the US version of the often mentioned Sammy LA40A650 here in the Phillies.
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=lcdtv&model_cd=LN40A650A1FXZA
Also should mention that my brother did also demo the 40A750 ( an additional 300 dolars) and my brother could see no difference in the PQ at all so for him it was a "no brainer". The 650 all the way.
With the TV my bro also picked up the newsest samsung Blue-ray palyer for only USD 200.
He said he felt like a kid in a candy store buying bubble gum and baseball cards ( as we did when we were kids) for 1/2 the price.
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whats with barrister?? and the question?
He's probably one of the best person to ask when it comes to a models "tech" specs.
My brother in the states decided to replace his 3 year old 37 inch LCD Aquos in his lving room (first 1080 P in the market) with a 40 inch LCD unit. He thought that as circuit city was going out of business he could get a great deal. He also is a valued customer of "Best Buy" already and "PC Richards "as well. Although Circuit city had some good deals he just did not want to buy from them at this point. Best buy had some great deals but most of there better Deals were out of stock. The other shop "PC richards" is a good place to shop but there prices are not always the lowest compared to best buy and thats why they will always have stock available. My brother called me and raved about this great deal he just got. This 40 inch unit, he says, is the best LCD he has ever seen. He liked it more than the Sony XBR he tested and even commented he compared it to the best Pioneers plasma PQ (which was three times the price). He went on and on about this LCD and how great it looked in BD as well as regualar HD. He loves it so much that he will now be buying another one for his bedroom. The LCD Cost him USD dollar 1049 (Peso 50,000). The regular price is 1699 US dollars.
The model was the US version of the often mentioned Sammy LA40A650 here in the Phillies.
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=lcdtv&model_cd=LN40A650A1FXZA
Also should mention that my brother did also demo the 40A750 ( an additional 300 dolars) and my brother could see no difference in the PQ at all so for him it was a "no brainer". The 650 all the way.
With the TV my bro also picked up the newsest samsung Blue-ray palyer for only USD 200.
He said he felt like a kid in a candy store buying bubble gum and baseball cards ( as we did when we were kids) for 1/2 the price.
Well, it's one very very good T.V^
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@barrister
Sir, if you can read this I have a question for you sana, The Sammy A650 uses a so-called 120Hz LCD technology and how does that compare to the 480hz "sub field" drive ng Panny Py800? Are they the same?
No, they're definitely not the same. A 120 Hz LCD displays 120 fps (frames per second). But a 480 Hz plasma displays only 60 fps.
I'm pro-plasma, but this time I have to admit that LCD has the true spec, while plasma has a marketing gimmick.
The objective of a higher frame rate or frequency is to reduce the judder caused by the conversion of film (with 24 fps) to video (with 30 fps or 60i [NTSC] and 25 fps or 50i [PAL]).
Judder is reduced by motion interpolation, a techniqe that repeats the video frames to produce 120 fps for NTSC and 100 fps for PAL. Hence, the specs "120 Hz" and "100 Hz". Motion will be smoother, but the side-effect is an unnatural look, similar to a home video shot on a Handycam. Despite the unnatural look, many customers seem to like it.
AFAIK, plasma's highest frame rate frequency is presently only 72 Hz (by Pioneer). Nevertheless, plasma has no choice but to come up with their own high frequency spec or risk losing sales to LCD.
To compete with LCD specs, plasma divides the frame into sub-fields. If they divide the frame into 8 sub-fields, then 60Hz (frames per second) x 8 sub-fields per frame = 480 sub-fields per second; and 50Hz x 8 sub-fields = 400 sub-fields per second.
But the frame rate would still be 60Hz and 50Hz.
Similarly, Pioneer plasma can claim an 840Hz spec (14 sub-fields x 60Hz), but frame rate would still be 60Hz.
Plasma pixels are either on or off. To produce an accurate gray scale, the intensity of each pixel is varied by flickering. That's where a sub-field comes in --- it's the length of time within a frame period that a pixel emits light. If there are 8 possible sub-fields per frame, those 8 sub-fields can be used in different combinations to form the required gray scale.
Surprisingly, plasma's 480 Hz spec actually has nothing to do with judder and motion interpolation. Let's just say that it's a spec that came from the marketing department rather than the engineering department. ;)
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Plasma pixels are either on or off. To produce an accurate gray scale, the intensity of each pixel is varied by flickering. That's where a sub-field comes in --- it's the length of time within a frame period that a pixel emits light. If there are 8 possible sub-fields per frame, those 8 sub-fields can be used in different combinations to form the required gray scale.
That's probably one of reasons for Kuro's superior PQ even with lower resolution panels. I think Pioneer (own panels) has 14 subfields - 840Hz subfield drive so to speak.
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When they ceased panel production, Pioneer said the outsourced panels would not make much of a difference because it's all in the processing software, which Pioneer itself will contnue to produce.
The latest news is that Pioneer is working on another video processing upgrade, called Fuga:
World exclusive: First look at Pioneer's next-gen
Kuro picture processing tech, codenamed Fuga
Steve May - 29 December 2008 - 8:35am
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/features/pioneer+previews+Fuga+Kuro+tech
Pioneer unveils latest Kuro processing tech
Company takes its picture processing to a whole new level
By Marc Chacksfield
TechRadar UK, UK - Jan 14, 2009
http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/pioneer-unveils-latest-kuro-processing-tech-501054
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No, they're definitely not the same. A 120 Hz LCD displays 120 fps (frames per second). But a 480 Hz plasma displays only 60 fps.
I'm pro-plasma, but this time I have to admit that LCD has the true spec, while plasma has a marketing gimmick.
The objective of a higher frame rate or frequency is to reduce the judder caused by the conversion of film (with 24 fps) to video (with 30 fps or 60i [NTSC] and 25 fps or 50i [PAL]).
Judder is reduced by motion interpolation, a techniqe that repeats the video frames to produce 120 fps for NTSC and 100 fps for PAL. Hence, the specs "120 Hz" and "100 Hz". Motion will be smoother, but the side-effect is an unnatural look, similar to a home video shot on a Handycam. Despite the unnatural look, many customers seem to like it.
AFAIK, plasma's highest frame rate frequency is presently only 72 Hz (by Pioneer). Nevertheless, plasma has no choice but to come up with their own high frequency spec or risk losing sales to LCD.
To compete with LCD specs, plasma divides the frame into sub-fields. If they divide the frame into 8 sub-fields, then 60Hz (frames per second) x 8 sub-fields per frame = 480 sub-fields per second; and 50Hz x 8 sub-fields = 400 sub-fields per second.
But the frame rate would still be 60Hz and 50Hz.
Similarly, Pioneer plasma can claim an 840Hz spec (14 sub-fields x 60Hz), but frame rate would still be 60Hz.
Plasma pixels are either on or off. To produce an accurate gray scale, the intensity of each pixel is varied by flickering. That's where a sub-field comes in --- it's the length of time within a frame period that a pixel emits light. If there are 8 possible sub-fields per frame, those 8 sub-fields can be used in different combinations to form the required gray scale.
Surprisingly, plasma's 480 Hz spec actually has nothing to do with judder and motion interpolation. Let's just say that it's a spec that came from the marketing department rather than the engineering department. ;)
Salamat sir/master/idol! You're a walking Tech manual=)
Anyway, I'll look at Transformers (Blu-ray) chapter 18 again because I noticed a very subtle motion flow difference between the two units and will post my observation when I get home^.
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YES!
Increase illumination of the room.
Sit farther from the monitor.
Force blink your eyes, or the opposite of blink (the Pinoys use that to greet somebody - how do you call that).
STOP before you feel worse. Stretch or take toilet break or do whatever you can for a few minutes every hour.
Put a cold compress on your forehead. Or just wipe your face with something very very cold.
Some Xbots even drink Bonamine.
I rarely use the word hero for anybody, but you're the greatest hero in Philippine history (joke). Took a Bonamine before a round of Resistance(PS3/FPS game) and nakatagal ako ng 2 hours without the "dizzy" effect, yun lang I dozed off in front of the T.V after! Call of Duty here I come^
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Impression update:
Just to check the motion flow of both units again, I took the Japanese Animation: Hokuto no Ken Raoh Den (USED BEC OF THE EXTREMLY FAST ACTION SCENES) for 10 repeated rounds of a particular segment that details the main character doing the "Hundred Crack Fist". Just by the name of the technique, you could imagine how fast this partical scene is.
Picture mode: Stanard on both
Automotion flow for Sammy switched-on.
Intelligent frame creation for Panny switched-on.
-Both units delivered quick blur free performance.
-Panny lashed out with very subtle phosphor lags via green trails.
-Sammy appears to present this scene with a more fluid definition.
This is a sample video of that segment, it's very different when you use the original dvd material. The link will simply show you how fast the scene was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoencBTune4
-check at 4:03-4:15 (Thanks to my sis for pointing out this particular scene)
Will test again using a non-action oriented movie to see just how smooth, smooth can be for both units.
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Impression update:
Just to check the motion flow of both units again, I took the Japanese Animation: Hokuto no Ken Raoh Den (USED BEC OF THE EXTREMLY FAST ACTION SCENES) for 10 repeated rounds of a particular segment that details the main character doing the "Hundred Crack Fist". Just by the name of the technique, you could imagine how fast this partical scene is.
Looking forward to more impression updates... hehe
If it is not too much trouble, may I request a different test bed?
The thing is, I've seen a lot of videos on our LCD TV and for some reason, animation and computer generated images do tend to look best on HDTVs. Somehow, I can not discriminate the importance of motion flow, whether in a fast scene or a slow scene when it comes to Anime or CGI. Will you be able to test the motion flow of a live action scene? (like a high definition fast-paced movie or a live broadcast of a sport which requires fast actions) I don't know if there is an actual difference but would want to know the results either way. :)
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Looking forward to more impression updates... hehe
If it is not too much trouble, may I request a different test bed?
The thing is, I've seen a lot of videos on our LCD TV and for some reason, animation and computer generated images do tend to look best on HDTVs. Somehow, I can not discriminate the importance of motion flow, whether in a fast scene or a slow scene when it comes to Anime or CGI. Will you be able to test the motion flow of a live action scene? (like a high definition fast-paced movie or a live broadcast of a sport which requires fast actions) I don't know if there is an actual difference but would want to know the results either way. :)
Sure, i'll be testing this on Casino Royal, it's pretty much fast paced.
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^ i'm gonna wait for the results on this test, as im really torn between the a650 and the py800...still can't decide which one to get... :D
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An impression on my part...
I posted this question on a different thread last December '08... I added a few notes...
I recently got a Samsung 40A650 with a home theater bundle Samsung HT-Z210...
Assumption:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that LCD TVs automatically upscale video sources to its native resolution, that is only if the source video is lower than its native resolution. Given a 480 source video such as a DVD, in my case, the Sammy TV will automatically upscale it to "1920X1080". Even if the by pressing INFO on the TV remote says, 720X480, somehow the TV brings the video to fill the screen, thus in my belief, "upscaling" the video. I think INFO only shows the resolution of the source video and not the resolution the TV is showing.
The bundled home theatre setup also has its own upscaling capabilities up to 1080p.
The thing is...
There are much less artifacts when ever I let the LCD TV do the upscaling rather than the DVD player. The picture quality looks better when the player outputs a 480p DVD video towards the LCD TV versus the player outputs an upscaled DVD to 1080p towards the LCD TV. One example is when we watched The Chronicles of Narnia, Prince Caspian; the night scene when they are aboout to raid the castle. When the DVD player is set to upscale the video to 1080p, artifacts are all over the place (jagged edges) but when it outputs at 480p and played with the same scene, artifacts are far far less (there are still some since the source format is just SD but very much less)
Does the upscaling feature/hardware of the HT-Z210 not that good? Does the LCD TV have a better upscaler? or am I doing something wrong?
and my personal answer to my own question...
After using the the Sammy 40A650 and the Sammy HT-Z210 for quite some time now, I can definitively say that the video processing capabilities of the 40A650 LCD TV is better than the HT-Z210. If ever you have the same setup, I suggest, if you are using the HT-Z210, play your DVDs at 480p resolution and let the TV do the video processing. The picture quality is better. Even if my assumption is wrong, the picture still looks way better if the HT-Z210 is at an output of 480p during DVD playback. The Samsung 40A650 is a great LCD, inside and out.
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An impression on my part...
I posted this question on a different thread last December '08... I added a few notes...
I recently got a Samsung 40A650 with a home theater bundle Samsung HT-Z210...
Assumption:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that LCD TVs automatically upscale video sources to its native resolution, that is only if the source video is lower than its native resolution. Given a 480 source video such as a DVD, in my case, the Sammy TV will automatically upscale it to "1920X1080". Even if the by pressing INFO on the TV remote says, 720X480, somehow the TV brings the video to fill the screen, thus in my belief, "upscaling" the video. I think INFO only shows the resolution of the source video and not the resolution the TV is showing.
The bundled home theatre setup also has its own upscaling capabilities up to 1080p.
The thing is...
There are much less artifacts when ever I let the LCD TV do the upscaling rather than the DVD player. The picture quality looks better when the player outputs a 480p DVD video towards the LCD TV versus the player outputs an upscaled DVD to 1080p towards the LCD TV. One example is when we watched The Chronicles of Narnia, Prince Caspian; the night scene when they are aboout to raid the castle. When the DVD player is set to upscale the video to 1080p, artifacts are all over the place (jagged edges) but when it outputs at 480p and played with the same scene, artifacts are far far less (there are still some since the source format is just SD but very much less)
Does the upscaling feature/hardware of the HT-Z210 not that good? Does the LCD TV have a better upscaler? or am I doing something wrong?
and my personal answer to my own question...
After using the the Sammy 40A650 and the Sammy HT-Z210 for quite some time now, I can definitively say that the video processing capabilities of the 40A650 LCD TV is better than the HT-Z210. If ever you have the same setup, I suggest, if you are using the HT-Z210, play your DVDs at 480p resolution and let the TV do the video processing. The picture quality is better. Even if my assumption is wrong, the picture still looks way better if the HT-Z210 is at an output of 480p during DVD playback. The Samsung 40A650 is a great LCD, inside and out.
same case with bolshoie .. using his pansonic le8 and setting his htib to output 480p only.
it seems that the manufacturers assumed that consumers would use 480p players.
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I think if you're more on to gaming and watching ANIME, go for the sammy but if you're more on purely watching your blurays/dvd's, go for the panny. ;)
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is it safe to say that since the a650 uses 120hz tech, displaying 120 refresh rates, would mean less or no eye strain at all?
since all LCDs are currently capable of 60 Hz refresh rates lang...resulting to strains nga...
i was a user of LCDTVs the past few years and experienced eye strain...with a plasma, i didnt experienced it at all..
but since this unit are getting good reviews, i might get one...but my concern now is the eye strain...and black levels of course :D
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is it safe to say that since the a650 uses 120hz tech, displaying 120 refresh rates, would mean less or no eye strain at all?
since all LCDs are currently capable of 60 Hz refresh rates lang...resulting to strains nga...
i was a user of LCDTVs the past few years and experienced eye strain...with a plasma, i didnt experienced it at all..
but since this unit are getting good reviews, i might get one...but my concern now is the eye strain...and black levels of course :D
I have not experienced or at least have not seen the importance or the impact of the 120/100Hz Motion Plus technology. It comes to a point that I believe that all this is some marketing scheme. Don't get me wrong, the technology is there and indeed embedded in the TV, but for me, I can not tell the difference between watching while the Motion Plus is activated or not. Same case with Sony's Motion Flow, when movie night is at a friend's house. As Carlo777 would say, trust your own eyes. I have never owned a plasma myself or watched videos, hours long on one, so I am not in a position to really judge. In the end, for me, the strain comes in when I watch at the wrong viewing distance (i.e when the sofa is full and I have to sit on the floor, closer to the TV than I would want to be). By the way, the 40A650 that I have only has 100Hz Motion Plus, not 120Hz, and I think my friend's Sony only has 100Hz Motion Flow as well. With black levels, how I wish the series 9's are already available. ;D I think they have 2,000,000:1 contrast.
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is it safe to say that since the a650 uses 120hz tech, displaying 120 refresh rates, would mean less or no eye strain at all?
since all LCDs are currently capable of 60 Hz refresh rates lang...resulting to strains nga...
i was a user of LCDTVs the past few years and experienced eye strain...with a plasma, i didnt experienced it at all..
but since this unit are getting good reviews, i might get one...but my concern now is the eye strain...and black levels of course :D
Less eye strain pa din on a Plasma, you will observe that the PY800 is softer in terms of color definition over the lower models like the PV8 or PV80 so baka manibago ka at first.
Final test done on both the A650 and PY800 in terms of motion flow
Blu-Ray:
Kingdom of Heaven (Chapter: The Saracens Challenge)
Note: I don't really like these funky motion flow features because, like I said on my PY800 impressions - they tend to make the motion so smooth that they give you a somewhat handy cam look.
-The A650 gave a smoother flow when the "Saracen" and the lead character were clashing with very swift sword strikes.
Final Observations:
General over-all picture quality for DVD and Blu-Ray
-Both have very good picture quality and are almost alike when you use the "Standard" picture setting
-The Dynamic setting of the PY800 is better because you can actually watch it without worrying about eye strain
-Motion flow goes to Sammy, smoother with no blurs and no green trails
Cable
-No dice plasma pa din
Gaming
-Sammy hands down with no phosphor lag or motion blur issues.
POST UPDATE: I noticed that the PY800 induces a minor picture flicker when you activate the 1080p/24 on your PS3 when you watch Blu-Ray's. I don't know if this is just my unit, but I'll research on this baka naman sa akin lang yun and may need replacement.
Thank you.
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nice review sir.. now im really inclined to go back to LCD because of this specific model..
how about the blacks? acceptable naman ba?
have you experienced eye strains on this model? sa lower models kasi meron talaga eh...if this one is tolerable, then i guess its ok.
some say that there is more depth on the py800 over the a650..do you agree on this?
as much as i would like to see the performance of these two side by side, there are no available units to audition eh... :(
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nice review sir.. now im really inclined to go back to LCD because of this specific model..
how about the blacks? acceptable naman ba?
have you experienced eye strains on this model? sa lower models kasi meron talaga eh...if this one is tolerable, then i guess its ok.
some say that there is more depth on the py800 over the a650..do you agree on this?
as much as i would like to see the performance of these two side by side, there are no available units to audition eh... :(
Blacks are acceptable and are very good for an LCD, perhaps the deepest black of any LCD I've had so far. Nothing beats the screen uniformity of plasma, but then again for an LCD, this is more than just good enough.
For eye-strain just avoid Dynamic, eto talaga, this is where I love my Panny PY800 kahit naka Dynamic it's still very watchable.
One Tip sa Demo:
Take your time, and ako what I do is watch my first choice of T.V for 5 mins. Then I'd go out of the shop walk around, for like 10 mins or so...Then go back and look at the second choice, watch it again for 5 mins. Before, I ask them to put the units side by side.
This is just to remove any preconceived notion you have about a particular brand.
Hope this helps.
POST UPDATE: Both units are very good like I said, cguro it will now boil down to the actual lighting condition of your room. Of Course sa brightly lit area/s - LCD, pag medyo dim naman Plasma.
My A650 is located sa game room kaya it's bright there, while my PY800 is in my bedroom and that room of mine is simply dark. So I get the best out of them everytime.
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how i wish i have the same setup... 42py800 and 40a650...
but the series 6 are beginning to sell like hotcakes! so hard to find the past few days! stockouts on the 40 incher!
...i have decided to get a 46a650 na lang... :D
care to share the best video settings for the sammy a650? ;D
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how i wish i have the same setup... 42py800 and 40a650...
but the series 6 are beginning to sell like hotcakes! so hard to find the past few days! stockouts on the 40 incher!
...i have decided to get a 46a650 na lang... :D
care to share the best video settings for the sammy a650? ;D
Wow, congrats sir Pol. I'm also eying the 40A650 but it's still too expensive. ;D ;D
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haha! thanks sir. can't wait to set it up. it was delivered last monday but i have to make a brace on the wall to have it mounted.
it's still there in my room, boxed. i just purchased a t5 warmlight bulb as backlight and mouldings for the wiring. maybe i can have it all done by the weekend. ;)
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haha! thanks sir. can't wait to set it up. it was delivered last monday but i have to make a brace on the wall to have it mounted.
it's still there in my room, boxed. i just purchased a t5 warmlight bulb as backlight and mouldings for the wiring. maybe i can have it all done by the weekend. ;)
Cool! I thought you were set on a PY800=) Anyway, it's a great LCD - Enjoy!
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i thought so too, then again, i took your advice on getting an LCD (series 6) since i already have a pv8 plasma! best of both worlds! (sort of) hehehe.
plus its a 46 incher, so why say no? ;D
care to share your settings mr. carlo?
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i thought so too, then again, i took your advice on getting an LCD (series 6) since i already have a pv8 plasma! best of both worlds! (sort of) hehehe.
plus its a 46 incher, so why say no? ;D
care to share your settings mr. carlo?
Best of both worlds na din yan sir, the PV8 is very good unit (price to performance). Now your plasma is partnered with a heavy hitting LCD performer like the A650=) Anyway, about the setting naka default pa ako no calibration yet^
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hi carlo, i saw my boss' 46650 last night, when it was delivered. Talga bang nagmumukhang tv series/sitcom ang galaw at kulay? parang embossed yung tao at may back draft lang na fake? o ako lang yun? ;)
thanks!
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Motion flow yan, yung sinasabi namin na parang Handycam ang porma ng video:
Note: I don't really like these funky motion flow features because, like I said on my PY800 impressions - they tend to make the motion so smooth that they give you a somewhat handy cam look.
Judder is reduced by motion interpolation, a techniqe that repeats the video frames to produce 120 fps for NTSC and 100 fps for PAL. Hence, the specs "120 Hz" and "100 Hz". Motion will be smoother, but the side-effect is an unnatural look, similar to a home video shot on a Handycam. Despite the unnatural look, many customers seem to like it.
Some people don't like to see judder on panning shots. But on film, judder on panning shots is part of the video. If it's true 24 frames per second, there will be judder, but it's going to be the "good judder", the kind that makes film look like film rather than a videotaped telenovela.
Depende yan sa source ng content. If the source was shot on NTSC video, motion flow might look smooth and natural. But if the source is 24 fps film, motion will look weird.
OK lang, since the user has a choice. Turn it off for movies; leave it on for a video documentary.
Based on your comments, you seem to be cursed with a good eye for video, since you noticed the flaws immediately. Malas mo lang, baka pang-plasma lang ang iyong mga mata... ;)
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@anchit
Tama si barrister, they are motion flow techniques that are found on newer T.V's. Good thing you have the option to switch them off, when you don't like them. Ok siya minsan sa mga movies with 3-D effects like Transformers, King Kong, Ironman etc etc...but if you try them on movies like "The Pianist" on HD-DVD they could be a sore to watch. Again sir, preference pa din yan kasi yung brother ko he likes the feature switched on all the time
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i have no problems with motion flow. like i said previously, this was the sole feature im looking for that's why i decided to get the series 6...and loving it!
definitely, the movement will be different versus a plasma..unless the unit you're comparing it with a py800...hehehe ;D
i watched transformers 1080p last night and it was very good! my brother told me that i was smiling the whole movie...well, i was'nt aware of that...i guess that only showed how much i appreciated my new toy... haha! ;)
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i have no problems with motion flow. like i said previously, this was the sole feature im looking for that's why i decided to get the series 6...and loving it!
definitely, the movement will be different versus a plasma..unless the unit you're comparing it with a py800...hehehe ;D
i watched transformers 1080p last night and it was very good! my brother told me that i was smiling the whole movie...well, i was'nt aware of that...i guess that only showed how much i appreciated my new toy... haha! ;)
It's always nice to read about someone happy with a T.V purchase, don't fret sir mas maganda ang implementation ng Sammy A650 when it comes to motion flow even over the PY800=) The only motion flow I saw that trumped the A650 was with the Sony X450.
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ah yeah. i heard about the XBR series of sony...pero its so pricey naman!
im very happy and contended with my purchase. imagine, something that i only thought i would see in store demos is now sitting on my room! hehehe. :D
HD movies galore!
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ah yeah. i heard about the XBR series of sony...pero its so pricey naman!
im very happy and contended with my purchase. imagine, something that i only thought i would see in store demos is now sitting on my room! hehehe. :D
HD movies galore!
Very very nice to hear, my brother calls it "going beyond the cinematic experience".
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my thoughts exactly!
anyway, did you use the wall mount included on your unit? can it be tilted?
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my thoughts exactly!
anyway, did you use the wall mount included on your unit? can it be tilted?
Nah, my wife does not like wall mounting T.V's, the wall daw is reserved for her paintings and whatever you call them. All our units are placed on top of "GECKO" AV racks.
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I actually had tremendous fun watching Spiderman 3 with Motion Flow 240hz (W1 series Sony) set to max. It was a very interesting and catchy look. Kindly like "movie in the making in high def look"; Spiderman 3 with documentary look. What's convenient about Sony is that you can activate/deactive Motion Flow individually on each video channel as well as CATV, SDTV, and Digital Channels (Terrestial and Satellite). The effect is rather aggressive; the entire image is very clear from foreground to background. I haven't seen a Plasma create that kind of look.
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I actually had tremendous fun watching Spiderman 3 with Motion Flow 240hz (W1 series Sony) set to max. It was a very interesting and catchy look. Kindly like "movie in the making in high def look"; Spiderman 3 with documentary look. What's convenient about Sony is that you can activate/deactive Motion Flow individually on each video channel as well as CATV, SDTV, and Digital Channels (Terrestial and Satellite). The effect is rather aggressive; the entire image is very clear from foreground to background. I haven't seen a Plasma create that kind of look.
Nor have I, the closest thing I've seen to what you've described is the X450 from Sony. The A650 naman does not do it as "smooth" and as "free flowing" as Sony but it's pretty good, given the price.
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Can anyone share their settings for dvd use?
Thanks.
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@series 6 user
any idea how can i activate the DNIe Pro features ng series 6, im using its smaller brother, LA32A650..
naka off kasi and di ko magalaw yung function na'to sa gaming (PS3)..
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@series 6 user
any idea how can i activate the DNIe Pro features ng series 6, im using its smaller brother, LA32A650..
naka off kasi and di ko magalaw yung function na'to sa gaming (PS3)..
How is your PS3 connected? Composite or HDMI?
AFAIK, may features lang na applicable through HDMI.
Up ko rin yung question ni cake, Curious din ako.
Kelan papasok yung DNIe Pro feature, when can it be applied?
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How is your PS3 connected? Composite or HDMI?
AFAIK, may features lang na applicable through HDMI.
yes sir, naka HDMI 1.3a na din po ako, yung DNIe Pro feature lang po yung hindi ko malaman how to utilize, duh this was the bragging rights of Samsung series 6 kaya gusto ko malaman pinagkaiba sa ibang series..
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pasend po sir jeff tsaka sir vic ng prices ng 40A650, thanks
pati na rin po for credit card rates
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pasend po sir jeff tsaka sir vic ng prices ng 40A650, thanks
pati na rin po for credit card rates
Sent pm.
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boss, pati 40LA650 na rin. Pls PM.
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boss, pati 40LA650 na rin. Pls PM.
Sent you PM.
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Which is better A650 or B550?
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wala na yung A650, B650 na lang. medyo mahal.
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Sir Reply_SNS,
Kindly Pm price for the 40A650 also.
Thanks!
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Sir Reply_SNS,
Kindly Pm price for the 40A650 also.
Thanks!
Sending you PM.
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Sir Reply_SNS,
Kindly pm price for the 40A650 also.
Thanks!
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Sir Reply_SNS,
Kindly pm price for the 40A650 also.
Thanks!
Sent you PM.
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i just bought this same model last week. it's now on the way from BKK. price tag in BKK Emporium Powermall was THB41k, translating to around P55k. free naman shipping kasi makiki hitch lang ako sa container ng ofcmate ko.
i've had my eyes on this model since it's introduction last year. was looking then for a Full HD panel to replace my old 42' plasma. even when the b series started coming in, i decided to stick with the 40a650 because of the price. I also ended up keeping the plasma tv and disposing of my other lcd (32 in bravia) instead to partially cover the cost my new purchase.
one thing i wasn't able to test is the usb functionality. what formats are supported? how is the playback response? meron kasi ako old samsung mini ht which has usb function pero i notice madalas nagpo-pause yung image esp for files bigger than 1GB.
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one thing i wasn't able to test is the usb functionality. what formats are supported? how is the playback response? meron kasi ako old samsung mini ht which has usb function pero i notice madalas nagpo-pause yung image esp for files bigger than 1GB.
If the model you purchased is the same as what we have, I got mine from SnS, (Model: LA40A650A1RXXP and Version: SQ01) no video file format is supported, only photos and music. If what you mean with the playback response pertains to response when viewing large photographs, file size or resolutions of high definition pictures, then, the response is rather slow. From my experience, you can't just flip and flip to the next picture as fast as you would want. Probably due to slow read speed from the usb device or slow image processing.
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^thanks. i see, so hindi pala talaga to designed for video playback.
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In our workplace what we have is the Samsung 46LB650 and am really really impressed. The USB slot could even play a whole length movie, no Stutter or hang up..meron pa sya Pause and resume button sa remote. I had to agree this is really one good tv luma sa picture quality and features un Panasonic42LZ80 ko sa haus. Also what i really like for this TV is that it's gorgeous kahit nakapatay sya.....ganda ng porma, Kapag nakaon naman ull appreciate the pictures it's showing off. :)
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has anyone tried using this tv for an htpc setup?
im thinking of building one rather than getting an NMT...
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also, does the series 6 support 1:1 pixel mapping? ;D
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has anyone tried using this tv for an htpc setup?
im thinking of building one rather than getting an NMT...
I'm using mine with an Atom based HTPC connected via VGA cable
also, does the series 6 support 1:1 pixel mapping? ;D
1:1 pixel mapping is supported by VGA. AFAIK, HDMI also has 1:1 pixel mapping but you have to use HDMI2 and rename it to "PC".
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I'm using mine with an Atom based HTPC connected via VGA cable
1:1 pixel mapping is supported by VGA. AFAIK, HDMI also has 1:1 pixel mapping but you have to use HDMI2 and rename it to "PC".
i see. i've tried those two connections: hdmi and vga. from what i've experienced, when using hdmi, the it doesn't maximize the screen, it has black bars on all sides. whereas when i used vga connection, it used all the screen from end to end. im not quite sure why it was like that..
is this the same in your case?
when using VGA cable, the 120mhz motion plus is disabled, right? even when i used HDMI2 and renamed to
"PC"
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i see. i've tried those two connections: hdmi and vga. from what i've experienced, when using hdmi, the it doesn't maximize the screen, it has black bars on all sides. whereas when i used vga connection, it used all the screen from end to end. im not quite sure why it was like that..
is this the same in your case?
when using VGA cable, the 120mhz motion plus is disabled, right? even when i used HDMI2 and renamed to
"PC"
1:1 pixel mapping can not be achieved in hdmi using HDMI2 and renamed to "PC"?
At HDMI, is the resolution set to 1920x1080?
Unfortunately, I haven't tried using the HDMI when connecting an HTPC to the 40A650. It is only from other people that I believe achieved 1:1 pixel mapping; that is why i placed "AFAIK". ;D
Yeah, the 120hz motion plus is disabled at VGA as well as other features.